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Highlighting Shannon Brown's dunks

The good news regarding Shannon Brown entails Mitch Kupchak's optimism that the Lakers will reach a deal and re-sign him. The bad news regarding Brown entails that there's no noise beyond crickets, as he's had to wait while the Lakers assemble their roster. Yet even with the free agent signings of Matt Barnes, Steve Blake and Theo Ratliff, Kupchak expects that the high-profile dunker will remain a Laker. I view that as a good move should it happen, though I'll admit I wonder how the minutes will be allocated given the off-season additions. But that's a topic for another day.

While Laker fans wait for the news to happen, they can at least enjoy the memorable dunks Brown has entertained them with for the past two seasons. It's not something Brown strictly wants to be known for and he wants to develop more parts to his game. And he quickly found out he couldn't channel those highlight reels into the 2010 NBA Dunk Contest. But hey, he'll admit the slams have given him a high profile. Hence, LetShannonDunk.com.

-- Mark Medina

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i need to get this this off my chest...

i've always disliked brett favre but that hate has grown more and more intensely with every year...

finally a writer who agrees..

http://blog.taragana.com/sports/2010/07/24/favres-act-becoming-an-annual-rite-of-summer-as-the-drama-queen-surfaces-again-122523/

there i feel better now. thanks for listening.


JAMF,

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HBMatt - that's the best part about watching the replays. The idiocy of these guys is saved for all posterity! HAHAHAHAHA!!!
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Yep, and I am glad no one has a mic around me all the time.
I would have a hard time explaining things to my kids.

I'll throw a vote in for Pepsi.... and Captain Morgans.

LA Lakers 2090-2010 Back-to-Back NBA Champions

Posted by: Nemaia Faletogo | July 26, 2010 at 06:31 PM
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Thanks for the info on Caracter, which for the most part I was aware of, but you put in into proper perspective for me. I hope he sticks. I have always wondered why the Lakers never have players on the team who are of the very makeup of players who seem to burn them. Remember how Malik Rose was always a thorn in our side? Guys like Millsap, who is also undersized, have also done well against us, but even last draft we stayed away from DeJuan Blair. Caracter is the same size as the bruising Josh Powell with a lot more potential and a little more weight, so let's see how he comes into camp. We have plenty of length, having added Ratliff, so why not try to develop this guy? Same with Ariza-lite I hope.


Posted by: KobeMVP888 | July 26, 2010 at 11:06 PM


Thanks my friend, my sentiments exactly. I hoping that both Caracter and Ebanks will do well and flourish for a long, long time as Lakers. It's not just their talent and skill, but their background and story on how they both got here is what has me gravitating towards them. I wish both young men success. Thanks for post.

Posted by: KB Blitz | July 26, 2010 at 09:03 PM

"Even KobeMVP888 admitted that Bynum isn't going to score 20ppg here (the real debate is if he was good as Shaq then Shaq would have thrown Gasol backward and usurped second fiddle.....if ever)."
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What is your hang up on numbers, young man? Hell, we might as well get rid of Lamar, Artest and Fish, too, with the paltry numbers they put up last season. Andrew Bynum has a defined role on this team. I NEVER said that he isn't going to score 20-10 on this team. Of course that is in his future. For the time being, he is doing what is asked of him. Why you find the need to debate yourself about Shaq vs. Drew is a bit disturbing.

Here are some comments by Doc Rivers on Andrew Bynum earlier this year. I'm guessing that you have a little respect for him by now.
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Bynum doesn't receive enough credit, in Rivers' mind.

"His size is absolutely a factor," Rivers told the Boston Globe. "I go back to that game where we played them early in the year and we didn't play well. We got to the basket a lot, but we missed all the layups. Live, I was frustrated because I thought we were missing layups and we were pressing.

"But then when you watch the video, he makes you change your shot. We had three or four of them where we were right there and we double-clutched for no reason -- other than the fact to the left of your eye he was coming. And that's what size does. Size makes you miss layups. He's done that and he also gives you a low-post scorer with Gasol. And that's made them pretty darn good."

Now are you starting to grasp it? So tell me, after Dwight Howard who is your next pick at the center position in the NBA?

One last post tonight from me on Shannon Brown. I'm 50-50 on his return. When he first came to the team, PJ waited about a month to work him into the rotation. At that early stage, he appeared to be grasping his role as a lead guard in the triangle. This past season, when he was asked to play both guard positions (more shooting guard as Kobe's primary backup than the lead guard), he seemed out of sorts a lot and played out of control. Perhaps that was because the other out of control guard, Jordan Farmar, was often on the court the same time as Brown. He does give us youth, hops, athleticism, energy and excitement, but his presence almost assuredly will screw up Sasha's role and, therefore, probably his season. Personally, I would rather have Sasha on the floor than Brown. He knows his role better from either guard position, he's a pain in the butt on defense, and if he's in a rhythm, he's a better shooter. I would almost rather see the Lakers sign an "instant offense" shooting guard for cheap in the mold of Roger Mason, Jr. or even Von Wafer. They won't get many minutes anyway.

"What is your hang up on numbers, young man? Hell, we might as well get rid of Lamar, Artest and Fish, too, with the paltry numbers they put up last season. Andrew Bynum has a defined role on this team. I NEVER said that he isn't going to score 20-10 on this team. Of course that is in his future. For the time being, he is doing what is asked of him. Why you find the need to debate yourself about Shaq vs. Drew is a bit disturbing."

Getting frustrated are we? To the point where you stated "I NEVER said that he isn't going to score 20-10 on this team." when I stated:

""Even KobeMVP888 admitted that Bynum isn't going to score 20ppg"

Hobbit would have a field day if he debated you. I debated him the summer of 2008 those were good days and that was over Lamar Odom vs Trevor Ariza at SF.

As I said before: When Drew averages those numbers THEN you can have all the field day you want. Until then he is another role player who got so overrated over some good games not to mention having a LEGEND and the greatest coach of all time currently coaching him.

Ask Trevor Ariza how it felts without having Kobe Bryant. He had a good coach in Rick Adelman but heck it sure felt easy to be productive while trying to be the man in Houston while shooting a crappy 38% from the field.

"Now are you starting to grasp it? So tell me, after Dwight Howard who is your next pick at the center position in the NBA?"

That Bynum is some sort of MVP caliber center in the next few years? No. Let's see the Center Power rankings overall:

1) Howard
2) Yao
3) Bynum
4) Bogut
5) Lopez

Bynum barely got the nod over Bogut and Lopez because of his 2 rings. Bogut is the better rebounder (rating not production) has been the better passer this year, better shot blocker, and better ball handler. Brook Lopez is equal in terms of scoring with Bynum (more points but less efficiency especially having no superstar) and Bynum beats him in rebounding rate but Lopez is the superior shot blocker (surprising even to me), and the better passer and ball handler.

Heck I don't need even use Prime Shaq I'll use 37 year old Shaq. The current Shaq was still the far superior passer/shot blocker/rebounder/ball handler than Bynum with having the same overall FG% (57%). Scoring edge went to Bynum because he is younger and a better FT% shooter and screen and roll defense still went to Bynum even though Bynum's weak in that department.

What source said all of those unimaginable crap? Easy. 82games.com Go and take a look if you wish and compare.

And note this was the year Bynum was more healthier than he was in the last two seasons before so the "knee injury" thing can't be used plus this is against centers who were role players on their team not the superstar Dwight Howard/Yao Ming are (I haven't even compared Yao Ming's healthy season of 08-09 vs Bynum yet).

i have neither the time nor inclination to get into ANOTHER long drawn out bynum debate...

i will just conclude with a few words...

count me as one of those who still has high hopes for him.. also count me as one of those who still believe he is a HUGE injury risk..

I WILL HOPE TO GOD he can stay healthy and contribute CONSISTENTLY.. none of which he has EVER done in the past... i am really not looking forward to cringing everytime he jumps up for a rebound in traffic... for 82 regular season games

yes he has great physical attributes, very LONG with plenty of UNREALIZED POTENTIAL for the last 3 years but remember he is STILL a POOR rebounder lacking DEFENSIVE fundamentals, with very questionable work ethic and commitment..

bynums most ardent supporters can keep backing him up with more arguments mostly unsubstantiated with more talk about UNREALIzed POTENTial... all of which is fine and dandy... but BOTTOM LINE is last 2 years his contributions to our last 2 title runs were mostly on ONE LEG and marginally impactful ... and so any bynum comparisons already to other polished and mostly injury free ALLSTARS like dwight, bosh, even deron and cp3 are completely and totally LUDICROUS.

Perhaps that was because the other out of control guard, Jordan Farmar, was often on the court the same time as Brown.

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too funny...lol

i need to get this this off my chest...

i've always disliked brett favre but that hate has grown more and more intensely with every year...

finally a writer who agrees..

http://blog.taragana.com/sports/2010/07/24/favres-act-becoming-an-annual-rite-of-summer-as-the-drama-queen-surfaces-again-122523/

there i feel better now. thanks for listening.


Posted by: yellofever | July 26, 2010 at 11:14 PM
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Brett FAVORE (as then Commissioner Paul Tagliabue pronounced his name then) simply does not know the word "it's your time to be gone". Yes he did a better job at QB than say Sage Rosefels would have but to keep doing this EVERY SUMMER since 2005 off season is really stupid. Probably as bad as LBJ's the decision but hell even Lebron didn't hold his team hostage EVERY summer as FAVORE did.
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Whether you agree with it or not, only the Lakers have contracts and assets that can attract New Orleans interest. Bynum combined with Darren Collison would be pretty ferocious. Frankly Id rather have gotten Collison over Paul. So its very possible.

Orlando doesn't have equal value contracts. And New York doesn't have any basketball assets. So maybe this quiets down for now but I stick to my guns. If Brown is re-signed something else is coming.

Posted by: brian Michaels | July 26, 2010 at 11:04 PM

The Knicks can trade Eddie Curry's contract to get CP3. Chris Paul and Stoudemire under D'Antoni would make it a fueled up version of 7 seconds or less except CP could defend and while Nash couldn't.

That being said trading Eddie Curry's contract would eat up in the cap space they would want to sign Carmelo next year (unless Carmelo did sign that extension). Plus they just signed Raymond Felton so it wouldn't make sense at the time being if they hope to land Carmelo.

Orlando actually has the pieces should Paul decide to go there. Gortat-Pietrus-Nelson-Bass for CP3-Okafur

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=2e5pmth

New Orleans get a solid center in Gortat, a better back up to Peja (and Pietrus could start over Peja if Peja keeps on declining), a replacement PG in Jameer Nelson, and a good back up for David West. Orlando would get a PG who would attack one of Miami's weak points (PG) and a good back up for Dwight Howard. This would open playing time for Ryan Anderson who played decent in Orlando's system as the primary back up behind Rashard Lewis. JJ Reddick would be VC's back up and later on starting SG and since Reddick is a good shooter CP would find ways to get the ball to him. A Magic-Hornets trade would be beneficial to both sides probably over a Bynum deal because you get more overall package from Orlando rather than just Bynum if Paul came to Los Angeles.

too funny...lol

Posted by: LEWSTRS | July 27, 2010 at 12:11 AM
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Farmar when he played under control was very decent

When he played under control.

This is what Erin Pincus had to say about Farmar:

"While Jordan had his moments, his best being Game 3 in Houston against the Rockets in 2009 when starting for the suspended Fisher, ultimately Farmar wasn't happy with his role.

Jordan was at his best while looking for his shot first, an issue when playing alongside players like Kobe Bryant, Pau Gasol and Andrew Bynum. Farmar drifted defensively and was rarely the consistent force the team hoped he'd become.

In his place, the Lakers picked up a true pass-first point guard in Blake who is solid fundamentally across the board. He won't have the same explosiveness as Farmar. Jordan is the better penetrator, but the Lakers want a guard who will run the system, execute defensively and be happy in his role.

That wasn't Farmar.

Read more NBA news and insight: http://www.hoopsworld.com/Story.asp?story_id=16923#ixzz0urfxz0Ng

and blitz.. keep up the good fight. dont go silently into the night.. =)


Before I call it a night this is my favorite photo:

http://eric32woodyard.files.wordpress.com/2009/01/mamba1.jpg

When the Lakers face the Heat it should be Artest on Wade and Kobe on Lebron defensively.

Seriously.

Kobe has guarded Flash very well in the past but Artest had done a very decent job on Wade as well last season. Wade shot only 38.1% against LA even though he had 26.5ppg. Kobe guarded Wade more in the match in LA while Artest had more time against Wade in Miami. Wade got 27 and 14 apg but Artest held him to 9-21 shooting and Wade has 6 turnovers. Much of those assists went to Quentin Richardson who was left open so many times by Kobe....

On the other hand. Kobe is probably the best person I've seen to guard LBJ. When Kobe guarded LBJ in 08-09 the first match up Lebron had 9-25 shooting night and when Kobe's Lakers snapped Cleveland's 23 home game winning streak (the only team to legitimately do that until Orlando...Philadelphia did not face a resting Lebron) Lebron shot only 5-20 and this was when Kobe was feeling underneath the weather.

In contrast Ron did not have a great series defensively against Lebron this year.

When the Heat play...hoping Kobe guards Lebron and slows him down while Artest slows down Flash.

Good night!

Im sure CP3 would like to go to Orlando because he wont have to walk under Kobe's shadow for 4 years. Interesting how all of these guys are punking out to the Eastern Conference. New Orleans would have to be a willing participant in this deal and the contracts dont match with Orlando. You'd presumably be sending Jameer Nelson and Peitrus. Maybe...But does that make New Orleans better?

By contrast the Lakers could send Bynum and a 2nd guard. Maybe Brown. Or Odom and an expiring contract. New Orleans has a top flight point guard in the waiting in Darren Collison, so why take Nelson? Who else would they want? Rashard Lewis? Not happening.

Im just saying for all the parties involved the best basketball move involves the Lakers. Will it happen? Who knows....But it sure can. If the Lakers are convinced that Bynum wont even be healthy and if Caracter develops the Lakers could be pretty ridiculous with Paul. Paul can also score in bunches and at some point, as Kobe ages, someone to provide scoring punch besides Kobe might be valuable.

Dude who said they can trade Eddy Curry's contract. Im sure whoever is now the New Orleans General Manager wants to stay employed longer than a month...

As you point out Orlando would have to dismantle to get CP3. They wont. LA can make one player move and done.

Magic Johnson needs to shut the hell up!


The Meat's time will come? Really? Magic do you think Larry Bird would spout that nonsense against his team? HELL NO!


This is another reason why Magic was a Great(est) player and a lousy coach. Not enough verbal discipline.


Magic, come on, man. Don't keep disappointing me like this.


Kobe's going to surpass you in rings this year and in years to come.


He's pissed. I'm pissed. It's over.


What do we play for? RINGS!!!


Lakers Today... Lakers Tomorrow... Lakers Forever.


GO LAKERS!!!

Blitz -

I liked Jordy and wish him luck, I hope he finds everything he was looking for in New Jersey...

Too bad he just didn't work with the Lakers...

KB Blitz,


Dude, stop hating on Bynum. I mean, come on, we're adults here, right?


What do we play for? RINGS!!!


Lakers Today... Lakers Tomorrow... Lakers Forever.


GO LAKERS!!!

About Andrew,

What was most encouraging about AB this year was the fact he played hard in the playoffs despite his injury. He played as long as he could and did what PJ asked him to do. He's what, 23 years old? Very encouraging indeed.

Fatty,
I'm Chinese and I have some old traditional beliefs at times, so instead of giving you my credit card info, can I just send you cash. Let me know, where to send the box. As the largest bill readily accessible are $100's. Sorry for the bulk, but I have sorted and paperclipped stacks of "hundies". I don't have time to count the exact amount but I trust that you put every bill to good use. I wan to personally thank you for taking it upon yourself to keep the blog going. This blog is just like a big family. It's wonderful.

H.

Please post the address as soon as possible because I don't think I can live without this blog, isn't that just amazing?????

There is a Marvel -DC debate?

I prefer Marvel, tastes great, but my wife likes DC, she says it's less filling.

Fatty,

Will you accept gold or silver coins?

I have boxes of them just taking up space and the wife keeps nagging me to 'get that junk out of here'.

But they're heavy so you gotta pay the postage.

Phred-
Although Marvel heroes in Movies has done better at the Cinemas than DC; most people either love Superman or Batman alot more than any other Marvel Hero besides Spider-Man or Wolverine. More people/fans could memorize Batmans/Superman's villains than they could remember Spideys or X-mens antagonist.

Post the question who Spidermans next villain on the next movie should be? Then ask who Batman should battle with on is next film?

The responses should answer what the most popular hero/ line of comic is most popular or most followed. It still won't answer what line is better; Marvel or DC.

Its in the eye of the beholder.

Hello All,
LEWSTRS overview of most of the characters on this site inspired me. Long time observer, lover of the Lakers and their history.
Used to hide from my six sisters in dad's car and listen to Chick call a game. Loved our 32 (?) game winning streak and the look of opponents as they walked onto the court. Once sneaked into the front row of cush seats and sat right behind Magic and Kareem, leaving with those blue cards Riley used to draw up plays on.
So I hope to contribute, learn, and share the love...
Oregon Wade

There is a Marvel -DC debate? I prefer Marvel, tastes great, but my wife likes DC, she says it's less filling. Posted by: Art - FL Lakers Fan | July 27, 2010 at 05:05 AM
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FREAKING CLASSIC!! and...OUT FREAKING STANDING SIR! Always been a Marvel man But the DC films other than Iron beat the Marvel...so far!

So I hope to contribute, learn, and share the love...Oregon Wade Posted by: Oregon Wade | July 27, 2010 at 05:50 AM

Welcome aboard Oregon Wade and I will say that your first contribution was just fine sir! Keep them coming!
Mamba24

Fatty unlike these other jokers I will give you something of real value. Will you accept my entire Marvel Comics collection. Issues Number 1 of Xman, The Mighty Thor, Daredevil, Fantastic Four, Avengers, Issue #2 Spiderman. They don't weigh that much so they can be easily transported.

Shannon Brown = Gerald Green
Spectacular dunks, unspectacular everything else.

Oh, the Marvel vs DC thing was serious eh.

Well, in a 7 game series I think that, oh wait, that's not it.

Ok really, I stopped reading comics a few years ago but as a youngster I had way more Superman and Batman comics than any other.
As to which is better, definitely Bynum.

Ok really, I stopped reading comics a few years ago but as a youngster I had way more Superman and Batman comics than any other. As to which is better, definitely Bynum. Posted by: Art - FL Lakers Fan | July 27, 2010 at 06:38 AM
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No, No, No! We want an answer and we want it now. DC or Marvel. Actually doesn't DC own Marvel or Marvel own DC? I know it's one or the other. God, these weighty transcendental, philosopical questions just are not my cup of tea. Hey Art how about starting off the day like you did yesterday and asking about LAL818? LMAO!!!!

Mamba24,

Actually, Disney now owns Marvel.

Good morning crew!

Lewstr: thanks for the acknowledgement!
KB: that's a great pic - hopefully we won't have to see many more of those with the two crazies (Ron Ron and Barnes)

Can we start the countdown to opening night yet?

Cheers - PLG

Marvel. That is all.

DBDH!

Mamba24,Actually, Disney now owns Marvel. Posted by: teamn | July 27, 2010 at 07:12 AM
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My bad, you are absolutely right. Thanks thats right I remember seeing some crap about Micky Mouse move over or something like that on the news. Thanks a lot!
Mamba24
@PsychedLakerGirl, Good morning Psyched you mean you haven't started the countdown yet? Lol!

MM,

I hate to say it, but you forgot one:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KOiw-9ZeAcA

Probably the greatest missed dunk on youtube. The audio is just fantastic, too. He left the announcers flabbergasted. Fish's expression is classic, like he really can't believe what he just saw.

Jason Richardson is just in shock. He probably needs oxygen.

Everyone who saw it was clearly stunned into silence/disbelief.

All that, and he missed it.

I personally think the the very fabric of Basketball time and space would have been ripped open if he made it, and that some cosmic wow limiting force intervened to protect us all.

One day, though, he's gonna make that dunk. The poor posterized soul will probably vanish in a puff of smoke right on the spot. The vortex of shame might be so great as to take a referee along with him.

--FEARless

mamba,

Hey, I gave my comic choice, Superman all the way!

Yeah, that LAL818 acknowledgment to him was definitely a mistake, LOL.

I think his fuse must have been lit before he even arrived here and then it was like, 10, 9, 8, 7, ... ka-booom.

Hopefully he hasn't run out of meds.

Hopefully he hasn't run out of meds.Posted by: Art - FL Lakers Fan | July 27, 2010 at 07:34 AM
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IF he has...he can have some of mine. Lol!

I personally think the the very fabric of Basketball time and space would have been ripped open if he made it, and that some cosmic wow limiting force intervened to protect us all. One day, though, he's gonna make that dunk. The poor posterized soul will probably vanish in a puff of smoke right on the spot. The vortex of shame might be so great as to take a referee along with him. Posted by: FEARless | July 27, 2010 at 07:31 AM

All I can say to that is...OUT FREAKIN STANDING!!!!

Marvel. That is all.posted by: Don't Blame Del Harris! | July 27, 2010 at 07:26 AM

Ding, Ding, Ding!! Give that man a prize! Give him one right now damnit!!! Obviously you are an individual of rare and refined taste as all of us Marvel afficianados are! Lol!

Hogan - "Artest however is just the right kind of crazy..."

That is a great line.

To those who don't have credit cards.....

Send your money, gold, silver, old jewelry from your parents or girlfriends jewelry boxes, etc...

To my Cayman Islands Gold and Silver Exchange account, Its a small island, no address is necessary, everyone knows me.

Valuable items like Mamba's Comic Book collection, I suggest you sell on EBAY first, then send the money.

I'm also kicking around the idea of a Premier Blogging account where all your posts are immediately forwarded to Mitch Kupchak's private Email account...wouldn't that be cool?

Posted by: KB Blitz | July 26, 2010 at 11:52 PM
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Numbers, numbers, numbers. That is the extent to which you and your young, unsophisticated, unripe mind can grasp NBA basketball. Whoever or whatever Hobbit is, bring him on. I'll chew him up and spit him out just like I am doing to you. Of course, that is evident to everyone in here already but you, and I have been posting for less than a week.

As for your post from the date and time above, zzzzzzzzz. I started reading it and immediately became nauseous knowing that there are Lakers fans .. or people who purport to be Lakers fans who are actually posers in forums like this .. who don't understand very simple concepts and cling to their efforts to irritate the more sophisticated fans in this forum who grasp what this dynastic franchise is all about. It's all about titles, son, and it appears that you have quickly forgotten that we have just won back-to-back titles with a young center named Andrew Bynum playing at about 50-60% of his capability because he was limited by injuries. These titles didn't satisfy you? What's the matter, are you concerned that these Lakers teams might not go down as some of the greatest NBA teams of all-time? Or are you one of these peanut shell brains who are of the mindset of "That was then and this is now?" Real Lakers fans are still savoring these back-to-back titles instead of chastising the players who helped them win those titles.

I feel sorry for anyone in here who supports your wacky theories. Clearly they are misguided and need the same help that you need. If Doc Rivers' opinions on Andrew Bynum aren't enough for you after HE REVIEWED FILM after wondering why his players kept missing layups, then you have some very serious issues and your credibility as a Lakers fan must be called into question. I'm not buying your loyalty to the team because you waste time debating yourself about Shaq vs. Bynum, a debate that you .. AND ONLY YOU .. are having. Are you having fun with that, son?

So bring on your equally low IQ buddies if that will help you. Have them spew their 82games.com numbers at me and all the other stats that I have probably seen and ignored already and tell them to try to dumbfound me any way they want with stupid statistics.

Here's one for you to chew on:

2-0 (the Lakers NBA Finals record with Andrew Bynum as their starting center).

Start from there and work backwards. Good luck.

To those who don't have credit cards.....Send your money, gold, silver, old jewelry from your parents or girlfriends jewelry boxes, etc...To my Cayman Islands Gold and Silver Exchange account, Its a small island, no address is necessary, everyone knows me. Valuable items like Mamba's Comic Book collection, I suggest you sell on EBAY first, then send the money. I'm also kicking around the idea of a Premier Blogging account where all your posts are immediately forwarded to Mitch Kupchak's private Email account...wouldn't that be cool? Posted by: Fatty | July 27, 2010 at 07:54 AM

OH SWEET JESUS, ROFLMAO!! BERNIE MADOFF aint got nothing on you Fatty!!! Lol!

"I feel sorry for anyone in here who supports your wacky theories"

Probably our last post at another so.

Yea and I feel sorry for you for using KobeMVP888 yet more of a Bynum fan.

"It's all about titles, son, and it appears that you have quickly forgotten that we have just won back-to-back titles with a young center named Andrew Bynum playing at about 50-60% of his capability because he was limited by injuries."

Yea and you keep ignoring the key concept that a man named Kobe Bryant is more responsible for winning those titles yet give like what almost all if not all the credit to Bynum or Bynum/Gasol/Odom. Obviously you would have an extreme bias and no more of a Kobe discreditor and keep bringing up Bynum's impact rather than the impact of a player who is already a greatest player of all time in the Top 10. Obviously does not recognize Kobe yet puts Kobe as his name hmm.

"What's the matter, are you concerned that these Lakers teams might not go down as some of the greatest NBA teams of all-time?"

No when a fan puts Kobe has his name yet gives more credit to a young center who has played less than 20 min in his first finals and has one good game in the Finals and shot 36% in the first and 45% in the second as a CENTER it's all bad. Obviously you keep stating "look at the effect" instead of putting in the proof. With the exception of the game log of Bynum at Boston and one article of Doc Rivers explaining the effect of Bynum in one game you have not provided little evidence to support your theories that Bynum will be a franchise center in the future and basing it "potential" rather than production.

Ex: Putting Bynum DOMINATED Howard ine 2009 Finals for just one quarter when Howard put the superior numbers in not only that game but also in the series as well. Well look who didn't get credit for a 30-5-7 statline.

"If Doc Rivers' opinions on Andrew Bynum aren't enough for you after HE REVIEWED FILM after wondering why his players kept missing layups, then you have some very serious issues and your credibility as a Lakers fan must be called into question. I'm not buying your loyalty to the team "

Oh so his players missed layups because that Bynum was on the bench cheering for his teammates in Game 7 and Game 6? You put that article as empirical proof that Bynum was a big factor in the 2010 yet inconveniently ignore that Bynum played 30 minutes+ in 2 only 2o games that came up as wins. You ignore whatever just so Bynum had the effect over KB/PG/LO. Nice and if you don't buy my loyalty to the team then I don't buy your logic as not only a Laker fan but as a fan of the NBA in general.

"Have them spew their 82games.com numbers at me and all the other stats that I have probably seen and ignored already and tell them to try to dumbfound me any way they want with stupid statistics."

It's ok. All you have is "this is what I what I see and I am right". I guess if you said the world was flat that you would have to be right. I at least back up my arguments with greater proof than just one article from Doc Rivers. You on the other spew out stupid things like "Ewing is overrated" when he is a Hall of Famer and that no team since 1999 won without a true center being a force in the middle yet conveniently ignore that the 2003 Spurs (Robinson was no longer the force he was), 2004 Pistons, 2005 Spurs, 2007 Spurs, 2008 Celtics, and the current Laker squad NEVER had a force at the center position. Like the rest of your logic it is BAD that you keep ignoring those and the only reason why the rest of the teams who won the titles had the big man named Shaq in the middle.

"Here's one for you to chew on:

2-0 (the Lakers NBA Finals record with Andrew Bynum as their starting center).

Start from there and work backwards. Good luck."

Here's something for you to chew on:

Kobe Bryant Finals MVP: 2
Andrew Bynum Finals MVP: 0

Kobe Bryant Regular Season MVP: 1
Andrew Bynum Regular Season MVP: 0

Kobe Bryant All-Star MVP: 3
Andrew Bynum All-Star MVP: 0

Kobe Bryant All-Star: 12
Andrew Bynum All-Star: 0.5 (Was in Sophomore team in 2007)

Kobe Bryant All-NBA Team Selection: 12
Andrew Bynum All-NBA Team Selection: 0

Kobe Bryant All-Defensive Team Selection: 10
Andrew Bynum All-Defensive Team Selection: 0

Start from there and the real reason the Lakers has won 2 titles with the Mamba at 2 and the Mamba-Diesel at 3. You should know why the Lakers won because of you who have as you name but I guess you put Bynum or at the very least Bynum/Gasol/Odom as the real MVP's. Nice logic there.

Good luck.

This is what Erin Pincus had to say about Farmar:

"While Jordan had his moments, his best being Game 3 in Houston against the Rockets in 2009 when starting for the suspended Fisher, ultimately Farmar wasn't happy with his role.\
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Eric Pincus is a very astute, pragmatic NBA journalist. That is the game I always point to as well with respect to Farmar's potential as the starting lead guard of the Lakers but, alas, that role didn't satisfy him.

Posted by: KB Blitz | July 27, 2010 at 09:09 AM
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Shallow. Extremely shallow.

Eric Pincus is a very astute, pragmatic NBA journalist. That is the game I always point to as well with respect to Farmar's potential as the starting lead guard of the Lakers but, alas, that role didn't satisfy him.

Posted by: KobeMVP888 | July 27, 2010 at 09:21 AM

Because Farmar was used to being "the Man" in Taft and UCLA. He found out that it's hard to be that in the NBA yet refused to recognize that. Back up to Devin Harris haha.

Wonder where the DJ Mbenga described "Best PG in the league" is now.

And extremely Shallow? But did Kobe get crushed by the "Like Mike" comparisons? Nope. Bynum hasn't live up to the "Shaq but can make free throws" comparison.

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>>>Try and picture this. When we play Miami in the Finals she sits in the stands
>>>and blows kisses to Delonte. It will screw up James's head, he loses
>>>concentration, and will tank the games.

I'd also love the idea that TWO ex-LeBronze teammates would be beating him for a ring. Shannon Brown also played with the Cadavaliers.

>>>Why he would want to go to New York is beyond me if his goal is winning
>>>since they have nothing.

They have Amare Stoudemire and they could have enough cap space next summer to sign Carmelo Anthony.

CPs idea with New York was to make his OWN big 3.

Then all the Leastern conference big 3's (Miami, Boston, New York) could duke it out to see who gets to lose to the Lakers for the next championship. :-)

Interesting news...I have written a post about the Lakers offseason on my blog (pardonmybias.com.) Here is a direct link to my post: http://pardonmybias.com/the-rich-get-richer/
Feel free to comment.

General idea (s),


PART 1 OF 4


Fellow Laker fans... Please tell me what you think?
Please be kind....of course itsa brain storm...
...or course i dont know ever cap rule!!


Id love to hear you ideas and comments....
I think Mitch has a few more big moves in him this summer (I hope) ...:)

Remember...The miami gang will only hang together if they win either ONE of the

next two. Otherwise Riley is gonna start loosen 'top' players who came lookin

for a ring. So we should go all out in these next 2 years to build a MONSTAR!! Go

Lakers!!


In my mind the biggest impact player player we could get would be
Mark Gasol.... (or any strong back up Center) . I think we should be willing to
give up several draft picks for Gasol (1st and second rounders). Its his last

year with his Memphis contract. And couple players and a couple picks. might pry

him loose..? If not we end up with a lesser 3rd string Center and some trade able

parts for mid season.

In my mind the end result of a series of trades should net us
another back up center (Mark Gasol!?) and ..if lucky...2 shooting guards (one

second string defensive/veteran (NBA), and one third string offensive/youth

(Europe?) ).

My reasoning is thus..... The more minute away from Bynum to give him a full

healthy season; the better. This 3rds string Center, in my opinion, does the most

good of any single move.
That 'Big Man" advantage is where we will win.

The other two SG guards acquired in many ways.

PART 2 OF 4


Variables to consider befroe the trading begins....

A.....To Consider: ...If Luke Walton can be considered ineligible for the season,

we
get 2/3rds of his salary back to replace him, and he is not counted against our
roster. This gives us about 3.7 million. This would help if possible.

B....To consider: Pick up Shannon as a PG to provide leadership to the 3rd string.

Tempo change, taco time, young guns...

C....Do we pick up the rookies? I hope we will take them both.

D....How many players to carry this year...I am in favor of carry 15 (and Luke on

IR). Gives us trading options, youth, and 3 complete strings. 1st string

(offense/experience), 2nd string (defensive veterans), and third string (young

guns). Gives us many looks, many options.

PART 3 OF 4

Trading begins...!!

1st Move...Make sure we don't lose Shannon.. (wait if possible, but move)

2nd move ..Trade Sasha to Timberwolves (with a pick?). For A Guard (Dante west?)
and/or a Center (2nd String). Or any other player that Memphis would want. At
this point, even if we dont get Mark, we are still better off with any good 2nd

string center than with Sasha.
This is especially true if we can pick up a shooting Guard in Europe with the

'Luke exemption'.

3rd move.. Players from Timber wolves to Memphis (with 2011 1st round and 2012

second round picks?! ) for Mark Gasol.
4th Move [One or more of the following till 2 need guards aquired.

..... Pick/player to Portland for Rudy...or...
....... Euro League Guard with exception from Luke...or...
....... Rookie with promise (extra rookies to training camp)
........ Mid season trade (hold extra 'trade able' players

5th Move ......Hold 15 on roster this season (13 plus the rookies).
......More options mid season when the mid season trade run
for play offs begins.


PART 4 OF 4

My own Comments about strategy...

1. I know Theo is now our current 2nd string....and he is great(keeper). But

another center and will suck up 18 minutes a game ...and Bynum is that much fresher

for the play offs. Plus BYNUMS value to the team, confidence, trade value, and 3

peat, all hinge on him being healthy (otherwise cant even trade him) . We need 3

Centers this season. We have our defensive/veteran, lets go and get some young legs

to suck up minutes.

Of course we want him to resign for us. If Mark Gasol resigns for a few
years..after this next year. That will be huge. If we cant get him this year we

should be patient and get him next year when his contract is over...

2. If this move only got us Mark it was worth it. These picks, next years

actually, are useless for the Lakers. A team forging a 3 year championship run,

that already has 2 rookies(if they sign) can not place more rookies on the team.
At least till these two pan out, or are traded.
At the risk of being redundant.... :)

The miami gang will only hang together if they win either ONE of the next two.
Otherwise Riley is gonna start loosen 'top' players who came lookin for a ring. So

we should go all out in these next 2 years to build a MONSTER!!

Go Lakers!!


General reply to others comments (So far ;-) )

PART 1 of 2


I think the lure, to Mark Gasol, to win a championship with his brother will be

great. He is young enough that he can come here for a year or three..and still

start elsewhere. He is a starter everywhere else...so i realize that might be

what he wants. But he can get the rings first, and money second. How much would he

pay for the memories of winning championships with his Pau? A lot im gonna

guess...esp since he is young and can get the money later in his career.
However, i will accept any young Center (3rd string) for a one year contract to

suck up minutes from Drew and Theo. Saving them for the playoffs.
My bigger question is...Everyone thinks we need a guard for perimeter shooting.
That's good for us....but it will not make or break us. If Bynum goes down we are

SO SCREWED. So the next move is a young gun 2nd string center to suck up minutes.
Its worth both 2011 draft picks (esp if we keep both rookies).

Again...if we get a 'Luke IR exemption for this year we can find a great SG in

Europe without loosing draft picks.
PART 2 0F 2


If BYNUM does go down this coming year (God forbid), if we secured Mark Gasol this

year we can give him the starting job next year. Or platoon it like we will this

year with PG and Steve Blake and Fish.

I think 3 peat swings on BYNUM's health.

Next piece... young 3rd string Center from Timberwolves for Sasha and a pick. If we

can trade up for a better Center after that (Gasol?) ...great...if not... a back up

shooting guard (sasha or otherwise) will not deny us a 3 peat. BYNUM goes down with

out a 3rd string...we will not 3 peat...and Bynum has little trade value next year.

Miami will be off an rolling if they win first year.

We can get another Center with trade with Sasha (if possible)....Or...
With the IR excemption from Luke not being able to play in 2011...

3rd string Center is the next piece!!!

Thanks for the time to read it..... :-)

Joel Lawrence
Joel@goldstarmodeling.com

 
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