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Devin Ebanks and Derrick Caracter eager to begin summer league

With West Virginia's Devin Ebanks and Texas-El Paso's Derrick Caracter just arriving in Los Angeles, they have leaned on relationships to help them get ready for summer camp.

Ebanks grew up in Queens, N.Y., the same area Lamar Odom and Ron Artest resided. Ebanks reached out to Odom to get together once Odom returns from vacation in Mexico. Caracter shares a bond with Ebanks from playing together in the AAU circuit. Ebanks planned to grab dinner with the West family after playing at West Virginia with Jerry West's son, Jonnie. And Caracter plans to immediately consult the Lakers' deep frontline of Pau Gasol, Andrew Bynum and Odom.

"People who don't listen to guys like that," Caracter said, "there's something wrong with them."

Caracter and Ebanks aren't any of those guys, who will begin summer league trying to crack a spot on the championship roster. Ebanks, whom the Lakers selected with their 43rd pick, and Caracter, whom the Lakers picked at 58, each expressed confidence they could do that. Said Ebanks: "I feel I have a good shot." Added Caracter: "I think I have a pretty good chance." But they're also mindful they have to provide some distinguishable qualities to prove their worth.

Caracter said he dropped from 305 pounds to 277 after his career with the Miners because of more sleep and selective eating habits, and plans to decrease to 270 to show his conditioning isn't an issue. He detailed how he matured after transferring from Louisville and UTEP, and wants to prove he can adapt to playing in a big city.

"My faith wasn't as strong as it is now," Caracter said. "I wasn't in tune with myself and a lot of little things and distractions that happened on the court was a growing process. I had to grow up and look at myself in a mirror. It's nothing that I'm really interested in anymore, really. When I was younger, I used to want to go to the clubs and now if I even do step out, I like a loungey area instead of clubs."

As for Ebanks, he's pledged to improve his jump-shooting. But he's also aware he helped the Mountaineers to their first Final Four since 1959 and the most wins in school history because of his lock-down defense and rebounding (a team-leading 8.1 per game).

"It's a different circumstance of course," Ebanks said, "but I've been in big games and know what to do."

--Mark Medina

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Devin ebanks looks a lot like Trevor Ariza.

Hey guys. Just a note. This will be the last post of the day. Like many of you I plan to enjoy the 4th of July weekend with some friends and what not. So enjoy the conversation thread!

MM

I like what I'm hearing from Caracter.

What do we play for? RINGS!!!

Lakers Today... Lakers Tomorrow... Lakers Forever.

GO LAKERS!!!

Ebanks is awfully lucky to be able given guidance by Jerry West. Whatever The Logo tells him, he should do. Period.

What do we play for? RINGS!!!!

Lakers Today... Lakers Tomorrow... Lakers Forever.

GO LAKERS!!!

Ebanks is awfully lucky to be able given guidance by Jerry West. Whatever The Logo tells him, he should do. Period.

What do we play for? RINGS!!!!

Lakers Today... Lakers Tomorrow... Lakers Forever.

GO LAKERS!!!

When does Summer League start?

What do we play for? RINGS!!!!

Lakers Today... Lakers Tomorrow... Lakers Forever.

GO LAKERS!!!!

All Laker Bloggers, have a great 4th weekend. We are the World Champion Los Angeles Lakers!

I'd love to see one or both of these guys turn out to be a steal. But they are #43 and #58. And even if they do pan it out it may be a year 2 or 3 thing. These guys may be able to make the team and be in slots 11-14 on the roster (Mbenga/Morrison territory, but with upside), but I would be (pleasantly) surprised to get meaningful contributions this year.

I would like to see Fish back, but on a one year at a time basis. If I were Mitch (or Buss) I would say, hey, we can get you your number, but not a multi-year deal. If you continue to do what you just did for us in the playoffs, then we can all agree to do it again next year.

Pay him $4 to $5 million, one year. Keep flexibility for next year in case Fish runs out of gas.

It's nice MM has taken the holiday off to hang with family and friends, but most Lakerholics will continue to bang their keyboards. We have no LIFE, it's nothing better them to talk about 3 peat. Have a great 4th.

scottie,

They are almost the same size too. Practically identical height. Trevor's wingspan is two inches longer at 7-2.

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MM -

Have a great and safe holiday...

I'm going out on a limb, both of these guys will make the team and just miss making the allstar team. Why because these are H-U-N-G-R-Y, and Caracter is going to be the steal of the draft, with Ebanks being an upgraded version of Tevor.

M~

LEWSTRS- The SUBURBAN appears to be getting a little tight, you may have to breakout the double decker BUS.

Both guys are saying all the right things. Caracter sounds like a completely different guy who realizes it's time to start taking advantage of the gifts he's been given. I really hope both pan out. I normally don't hold high hopes for the Lakers 2nd rounders, but these two just feel different for some reason.

I am SO on this bus. Come on Buss ! ! !


GO LAKERS ! ! ! ! ! ! ! !

Art -FL Lakers Fan,

you wrote: Actually, if the Lakers win a championship, Buss makes money. If he signs Fish at 5 mill, maybe he makes a little less, but he doesn't lose anything.
So the question isn't losing money, it's making less money, a big difference.

your original statement was:
Let me ask then... does Buss care more about a championship than he does about the $$?

His track record says he cares more about the championship.

Fish's salary will not make or break the teams profit.

No other Laker was asked to take a pay cut, why should Fish be the only one?

my response: your first question is unclear. You're comparing a
championship to money, but you don't quantify how much money.
It is my understanding that if you have the opportunity to make 10 mil
and you only make 5 mil ... you can qualify that as a loss.

to say this a different way: when is 50% of possible profits acceptable?
[ note: from an econ pt. of view, we could talk about marginal utility ... ]

Let's hit the average man where he lives and see if *anyone* agrees with you.
You need 12 k to live. You are guaranteed a job to make 36 k. You have a
chance at 72 k. You're going to make money either way. Is there *ANYONE*
who takes the 36K job? Understand. You're not *losing* money if you take
the 36k job.

you also wrote: What Fish is worth on the open market, I guess we'll find out, but that's not totally relevant. Fish is worth more to the Lakers than any other team.

my response: Actually, his worth on the open market is *completely*
relevant. If you can buy a used volvo for 10 k & a new volvo for 20 k, do
you buy the used volvo for 20 k?

You are who you are and you can do whatever you want. My understanding
is: You are asking Buss to apply principles different than what the common
man uses for a business venture. If you are rich, God bless you. I don't think
you can get mad at someone for trying to save 5 to 10 million dollars. My
understanding is that the Lakers "net" was ~ 40 million. Are
you really saying it's inappropriate for someone to save 10 - 20 % ?

btw, If Fish's age catches up with him this year in the playoffs ... does Buss
look like an idiot for over-paying a 36 yr. old man who just had one of his
worst regular seasons?

Just askin'. We both have our opinions and that's all they are.

Cheer!

Just a REPOST from last thread... sorry but some of the complaints about money were making my head hurt, haha.

$$$

For anybody saying Buss is cheap or not willing to spend on his team, consider this. Our top three players put us right at the salary cap. THREE PLAYERS. Kobe, Pau and Drew - total salary this year, $56,470,769. Okay? EVERYBODY ELSE after that is a luxury tax penalty. EVERY other player costs us double what their salary is. There's no other team out there that will come close to our payroll. So please people, I know that you're all fans and you want the best for your team but stop with the "cheap" business. Fish's deal will get done, he won't be hurting at all, and then we'll fill the rest of the slots with salaries that are under a million each. You're talking 4 or 5 hundred thou, not a million-eight. Second round picks, d-leaguers, etc. This is how it is when you have the top salaried player in the league. I'm not being a Buss apologist here but there are certain financial realities that can't be denied. Our budget after luxury tax will be around $130 mil. That's twice what some of the other teams will be paying.


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btw, If Fish's age catches up with him this year in the playoffs ... does Buss
look like an idiot for over-paying a 36 yr. old man who just had one of his
worst regular seasons?

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So is the nature of the business...

Did owners get their return on Vince Carter, Jamison, Shaq, Turkulo, Oden, Richard Jefferson, Carom Butler, etc, etc...

Wow!!Squeeze me on that Fish Bus!!!We LOVE OUR Fish11111

hobbitmage,

My opinion is Fish needs to be brought back even it means a 5 mill, 1 yr deal.
As team owner, (you say the Lakers net was 40 mill), then yes, I would risk 5 mill of that 40 to bring Fish back.

None of your examples make any sense to me and aren't comparable to this situation so I am not even going to address them.

As I said, Fish is worth more to the Lakers than any other team and none of your examples address that.

It's my opinion to bring him back and spend the 5 mill. and risk 5 mill of that 40 mill profit you say they made.

Fish's contract will be a risk, just like any other player they sign. That's a risk of owning a business.

If you understand intangibles then I would think you would agree, but maybe you don't care about that.


Ok, you are the Lakers owner and you just made $40 mill in profit (according to you).

How about clearly state where you really stand on this issue and answer me this:

-Would you offer Fish a new 1 yr contract? (yes or no)

-If yes, at what $$ amount?

-And if the $$ you offer is less than 5 mill for 1 yr and Fish turned it down, would you let him leave?

Lewstrs,

you wrote: So is the nature of the business...

Did owners get their return on Vince Carter, Jamison, Shaq, Turkulo, Oden, Richard Jefferson, Carom Butler, etc, etc...

my response: exactly. Now, are you trying to say that owners shouldn't
learn from their mistakes?

you don't always get what you pay for, but you always pay for what you get.

For the record, because I know that there are disingenuous people out
there, I would prefer D-Fish to be signed. I am ambivalent to what he is
paid because he is a 14 yr veteran and a multi-millionaire. He also shot
like crap for most of the season. he also played great during the playoffs.

It's not my $$, for which I'm grateful, yet sad. I'd like to be a multi-
millionaire. [grin]

these guys know how fortunate they are to get a chance to play on a championship team with HOFs and a mission to 3-peat. they want "in" and they want it NOW! nothing like a young, talented motivated player(s)... IN BUSS WE TRUST!!

Good interviews from both of them.

Caracter comes across as more eloquent while Ebanks has a nice confidence about him. He feels the Lakers got a bargain. haha

If we don't sign our regular bench warmers, they could both make the team and perhaps, who knows, we may have a future Ronny or Ariza sitting there on our bench.

I certainly wish them the best.

Just read the latest rumors from the blogs.....

Nothing new to report that would concern us, except the Bulls have petitioned the Pope to pray for Lebron James to sign with them.


Fatty - Who believes all NBA free agent rumors are true until proven false.

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Art -FL Lakers Fan,

you wrote: Ok, you are the Lakers owner and you just made $40 mill in profit (according to you).

How about clearly state where you really stand on this issue and answer me this:

-Would you offer Fish a new 1 yr contract? (yes or no)

-If yes, at what $$ amount?

-And if the $$ you offer is less than 5 mill for 1 yr and Fish turned it down, would you let him leave?

you also said that my other examples didn't make any sense to you.

my response: sorry they don't make sense to you.

Yes, I offer D-Fish a 1 yr contract with a team option on the 2nd.

No, I don't offer D-Fish 5 mil. Yes, I let D-Fish leave.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/h/horryro01.html

2001/2002 look at his numbers.
2003/2003 look at his numbers. they're worse and we loss.

look at his numbers until 2007/2008. A continued decline with a small
spike in 2004/2005.

Art -FL Lakers Fan,

I didn't give you a number on the contract offer. My bad.

I don't go above 4. I probably try to go for 3.5. I'd be willing to
give him an incentive laden contract because I'd love to be wrong
about him.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/f/fishede01.html

look at the number for the last 3 years and tell me if you see a trend.

Would like to have Fisher back, but also Brown and either MMiller or KKorver.

WATCH - Lakers will offer 1.8 to Javaris Crittenton with the remaining money on the MLE, then they will sign Fisher with their Bird exception for around 3-4 million per year for two years. That will give us Fisher, Blake and Crittenton this year vs Brown, Farmar and Fisher last year. I'd say that's an upgrade and it will cost about the same. Sign the two rookies @ 460k each. Look for a center at the vet minimum (Thomas) and were done. Mitch is pretty darn good.

Why would they spend 1.8 millin on Crittenton? Why in heavens name would they do that? You think they just want to throw money away? I just can't seem to understand the obsession some folks have with JC..This guy was on one of teh worst teams on the NBA and still could not find playing time.

BUILDING A TEAM…
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You have to really give Mitch Kupchak credit for the superb job he has done as the Lakers general manager building this team. Mitch understands that it’s not as much about the individual players but how they all fit together as a team that makes the difference. It’s how Andrew Bynum’s presence in the lineup changes the Lakers rotations and intimidation factor. It’s how Lamar Odom’s willingness to come off the bench allows the Lakers to maintain their length advantage for 48 minutes a game.
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You have to be impressed with the moves Mitch has made so far in this offseason. I thought he had a terrific draft and believe both Devin Ebanks and Derrick Caracter will both make the roster. Ebanks especially looks to be a steal and should give us back the speed, length, and defensive athleticism we lost when “trading” Ariza for Artest. Caracter was the perfect fit giving us the big burly body off the bench we didn’t have to match up against Big Baby. Summer league should be very interesting.
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I have to admit that I was a little disappointed that Mitch didn’t get Mike Miller and even considered the possibility off a sign-and-trade with Lamar Odom. Bottom line, even though I think Miller would have been a perfect fit for the Lakers, Lamar Odom is still too important for us to trade. Next to Kobe, our biggest advantage is having Bynum, Gasol, and Odom cover all the minutes played at the 4 and 5. With everybody already going bigger to match up against us, now is not the time to trade Lamar.
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I do like the signing of Steve Blake. He has always been sort of a poor man’s Derek Fisher to me. I preferred him over the other options to wear purple and gold. Again, it’s not as much about his stats as it is about how his talents fit the Lakers needs. Smart, tough player with a high basketball IQ who makes the right pass, doesn’t turn the ball over, hustles on defense, and can hit the open 3-pointer. Probably not a starter but definitely a major upgrade over Jordan Farmar or Shannon Brown.
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One sure thing about America today is that whatever the subject is, you can count on half the people to be against it. We live in the world of NO. No matter what the subject – health care, environmental protection, financial regulations, or immigration – our sound bite oriented media will take the most complex and boil it down to a few cliché’s that will replace intelligent discussion and analysis. That’s what Derek Fisher is fighting right now, to be paid based on his fit and contribution, not his stats. I for one applaud MM for taking a stand and agree with him 100%. You don’t fire the captain after he saved the ship from sinking. Bottom line, I am sure that Mitch Kupchak agrees with me 100%.
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where is LTLF when one needs him?

or if he does not backing his "scrubs" he is MIA:

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BUSS profit was ONLY 20 MIL. (it was 40 the previous season).
the economy is still tanking. most of the revenues r from maybe merchandise and so on… most Lakers fans have them

Fish @ 5 becomes 10 with luxury tax. that is 1/2 of his income just for one player. (because he is not signed yet)

if any of you r looking at the big picture and not only at Derek "little Judas" Fisher, the core of Kobe, Pau, AB, LO, ron and now Blake r signed exactly for 4 FOUR years.

so in the next 4 years is winning everything or BUST

FISHER , with 1 or 2 years DOES NOT FIT THE PICTURE, especially with sasha and LUKE still o bad contracts.

having the core 6 signed for 4 years and possible 2-4 more SHIPS, the rest of the players r not important. just filler.

why spend ANY money on Fisher? very EXPENSIVE for 2 bad seasons. can it get even worst? YESSSSSSSSSS

so please, let's forget:

sentimentality
nostalgia
melancholy

and

ROMANTICISM ( I guess the love but also Fisher's daughter's cancer fit that picture)

finally is a business!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

and he has like 5 kids?, poker games and many young girls running around. i guess he has his right to have a life. not to fulfill the NEEDS of the bloggers on Lakerland.

happy 4th.

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and for those of you who r mentioning the 4th quarter of Game 3, i want to remind you

on who's watch did Ray Allen had a field day scoring a record 9 three pointers in Game 2?????????????? (because he was too busy selling flops to the refs and not running around on screens)

i love it when for Fisher and Gasol, everyone remembers only the GOOD part. not when they SUCK and single handedly they lose the game.

also that in Game 6, with Fish on the bench in foul trouble, the Lakers thrived. (also because PJ, the genius, finally figured out to play ONLY one scrub at the time - Farmy OR UPS - and Farmy after 4 years decided to even lick the Staples floor to save his contract)

Just to butt in on a few conversations:

Re: Hobbit & Art - I think Fish is awesome and is an absolute "need" re-sign. As Mitch himself said, it's a priority. That said, I think $3.5 - $4 is a reasonable number. Remember, it's dollar-for-dollar penalty. The difference between 4&5 is two million, not one. That amount could make the differnce when it comes time to sign another player. Buss might be more willing to spend the remainder of the MLE for instance, if he knew he was saving it someplace else.

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TomK - $1.8 is a lot to spend on Javaris. I don't think he'd bring more than minimum at this point and he's probably better served going to europe for a while. Get past all the Washington stuff, get some real playing time, etc..

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MarcB - definitely like the intern program. I'll be interested to see how Tyler Sanborn does in summer league.

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D.J., - I'd like Brown, Miller or Korver too but I don't see how it's possible, money wise.

http://atlantapost.com/2010/06/21/nba-championship-economics-and-the-600-million-team/

snippet: The Los Angeles Lakers, who won their 16th NBA championship, get to take home the Larry O’Brien trophy for the second time in as many postseasons. The team also gets to take home a little pocket change: $2,125,137 in playoff bonus money. In fact, even the losers of the NBA Finals are winners in a sense.

snippet:
In addition to the Lakers’ and Celtics’ share, the $12 million NBA playoff pool is distributed to teams as follows:

Best Record in NBA: $346,105
Best Record in Conference, $302,841each (for $605,682)
Second Best Record in Conference, $243,411 each ($486,822)
Third Best Record in Conference, $181,706 each ($363,412)
Fourth Best Record in Conference, $142,800 each ($285,600)
Fifth Best record in Conference, $118,990 each ($237,980)
Sixth Best Record in Conference, $81,157 each ($162,314)

Teams Participating in First Round, $179,092 each ($2,865,472)
Teams Participating in Conference Semifinals, $213,095 each ($1,704,760)
Teams Participating in Conference Finals, $352,137 each ($1,408,548)

snippet:
Courtside seat ticket holders are willing to cough up $107,500 for the season. The renewal rate is around 97-99%. “The last few years, we have enjoyed rates in that range. I am assuming we will do the same this summer but won’t know for sure until we get through the process,” said Harris.

With the priciest tickets in the NBA, each game generated $2 million in revenue for the Lakers’ owners last year, according to Forbes.

seeing what ouchhhhhh & dave m said, ...

So I'm not crazy. Er ... ummm ... check that. Being right or wrong has no
bearing on if I'm deranged. Oh, well.

happy 4th!

Go Uruguay!

"on who's watch did Ray Allen had a field day scoring a record 9 three pointers in Game 2?????????????? (because he was too busy selling flops to the refs and not running around on screens)"

OUccchh aka COUCH LOL Fisher was on Allen only the 1st and 3rd quarters. Allen got some in the first and in the 3rd but most of his points came against Shannon Brown because 1) Shannon was dumb and left him wide open or 2) Shannon could not figure out how to get over screens and resulted in wide open looks for Ray-Ray. Otherwise Fisher really did a decent job on Jesus Shuttlesworth.

Probably a good reason why the Lakers aren't pursuing Shannon anymore and why he was on the bench in Game 5/7. He is athletic for sure but he sure has a low IQ mind when it comes to dribble penetration or trying to create a jump shot off the dribble.....

Say Good-Bye to:
Dacos Mbenga (maybe but most likely gone)
Josh Powell
Crying Morrison
Jordan wannabe star Farmar
Shannon Biesel Brown.

Hola, Laker Amigos! Make that...WORLD CHAMPION LAKER Amigos!

Been gone quite a while on business and travel, but I'm back and very interested in the new developments. Here are a few observations:

1) Steve Blake will be a great fit...for the regular season. Solid ball handling, smart (will learn the triangle fast), good defender, very good mid-range jumper. He will definitely help us to end up with very good regular season record. Kudos to Mitch, Phil, and Dr. Buss for the very quick move to get him.

2) Fish...still a great fit...for the playoffs, baby...WILL be back. He asked for $5M, after getting wind that the Lakers wanted to offer $2.5M...ergo, he'll accept $3.5, maybe even $3M. He's not going anywhere. And his minutes are going to drop...a lot...in order to keep him fresh for the playoffs.

3) Sasha...is going to have a monster season. Go ahead and flame me...I'm on record...Sasha is going to have a monster season.

4) There's one more surprise deal in the works...I don't know what it is...but I'm sayin' I smell it. Phil is coming back for one more BIG finish. Dr. Buss is not going to screw around. They're going all in. Stay tuned.

"People who don't listen to guys like that," Caracter said, "there's something wrong with them."

that coming from a lazy fat a$$ guy with problems. now just sucking up to get a ring. dump him NOW.

there is no I in TEAM

there is no H in Caracter

KB Blitz

i totally agree that maybe #6 or 7 was against Brown. it was painful to watch.

but Fisher let Allen to warm up, to get in the ZONE. and following the coming games, Fish had his personal little vendetta against Allen. Like he had against Billups, or rooks (and fouled Scola) and Jameer and had the chip shot at Barnes.

let's look at his heroics in the BIG PITURE and not only ONE specific play.

Fisher always tries to COMPENSATE his anti-basketball skills with out of play HEROICS. and it started long time ago. he had already chip shots against Billups in the 2004 finals. but yes, that was long time ago and he is the best player/flopper to take charge in the history of the game.

what is behind it? as a good politician: covering for his limited skills.
same with speeches
same with the court leadership. (i thought that court leadership is playing hard - not being blown out by any PG that is on the floor, being replaced by KOBE against Westbrook and Rondo and so on …

but the politics of Fish, Pau and PJ, like in the Utah series was to REDEEM Fisher: redeem from what? that he really sucks??????????????

please sign him up for an infomercial or PBS with his SPEECHES.

"but Fisher let Allen to warm up, to get in the ZONE. and following the coming games, Fish had his personal little vendetta against Allen."

Ok Game 3,4,5,6,7 Allen could not hit a bull with a banjo and most times Fisher was on him. Then Fisher got his revenge in Game 3 when not only did Ray-Ray score a Field Goal (ZERO that game) but Fisher stepped up with NEITHER Gasol did and Kobe was shooting bricks (10-29).

"he had already chip shots against Billups in the 2004 finals."

Yet it was Payton who was OWNED by Chauncey.

"not being blown out by any PG that is on the floor, being replaced by KOBE against Westbrook and Rondo and so on …"

Westbrook was the only time Kobe had to guard PG's. Where was Kobe against Deron Williams and Steve Nash? Nash sure didn't go off until Game 5 and 6.

re: It is so dumb when people use the argument for Rondo. The reason why Kobe is on Rondo isn't because of Fisher but because PJ doesn't want to tire Kobe out chasing Ray Ray through screens. Doc Rivers said part of the game plan against the Lakers was to tire out Kobe defensively with Ray Allen. Every time since Game 3 of the 2008 Finals Kobe always guarded Rondo to prevent Kobe's energy from tiring (2008 though KB had to guard Pierce more since Vlad was a space cadet defensively). If it was CP3 who was our starting PG Kobe would still be on Rondo for the same reason. PJ made the mistake of putting Kobe on Rip Hamilton in 2004 chasing that dude on screens and after Game 2 he did not make that mistake again. The ONLY times that Kobe guarded Ray consistently was Game 2 (when Ray went off and even then Ray still scored 2 3 pointers in Kobe's face) and Game 7 last seconds when Nate Robinson was shifted to PG and Rondo to SG and Ray to SF.

"he is the best player/flopper to take charge in the history of the game."

That belongs to Vlade Divac.

"but the politics of Fish, Pau and PJ, like in the Utah series"

It was to again punish Utah fans for booing Derek Fisher. OUch I have to really ask you: If your kid was being made fun of having cancer would you *like* it? You could probably withstand the booing yourself but then they boo at your kid? I'm guessing you wouldn't like it huh?

CornerJ - I like the cut of your jib.


GO LAKERS ! ! ! ! ! ! !

Laker Tom,
I support Fish as well but I have to say this about Mark Medina's (well intentioned) headline and stand - it was predicated on media rumors that never sourced out. Some writers threw the $2.5 offer out there based on sources that weren't vetted and it caught on. Mitch actually called Fish at 9:01, his very first free agent call. They had a nice chat and numbers weren't discussed. Mitch is planning to sit down with Rob Perlinka to try and get a deal done.

Lewstrs,

Please put me on the hood of the Burban' to pick up DFish!

Caracter looks and sounds a lot like a young Chris Webber, hopefully he has something close to a similar game as Webber.

It's scary how much Ebanks looks and sounds like TA. I like his confidence in his game and how much he wants to be on this team.

Good luck to them both.

Remember: NO CONTRACT HAS BEEN GIVEN YET TO FISHER. WHOEVER REPORTED THAT FISHER HAD EVEN BEEN OFFERED A $2.5 MILLION OFFER MUST RECEIVE AN *IDIOT* on his forehead!

Ebanks -Trevor Ariza (more upside than Trevor because according to Mitch Ebanks' jumpshot is better than Trevor's was when Trevor was drafted though Trevor left UCLA after one year while Ebanks spent 3 years in WVU)

Caracter-Poor Man's Glen Davis. Big Body with solid jumper

Well I gotta say that I like what I'm hearing from these 2. Let's hope they walk the walk as well.

I'm quite confident Fish will remain a Laker. We get PJ to come back for the Farewell Tour & don't bring back El Presidente? Not likely. Patience, grasshoppers. This will get done.


Mamba24 - I virtually dumped you? News to me....

Hey Bloggers!

Well, so far so good on JR's predictions: B. Shaw didn't go to Cleveland, PJ is going for one more year and Shannon opted out but will be back in the fold when he finds out that nobody wants to see another Trevor mishap happen to their teams. I'm a little worried about Fish leaving the Lakers, not that I think that he'll really be able to do damage to the team, but because I really want to see Fish finish his career in Purple and Gold.

Now on a personal note, I'm way behind in the news this week because I was at Children's Hospital in Santa Barbara with my granddaughter doing the 24/7 care giver thing. She's fine and home now but she had to do a week's worth of intravenous anti-biotics to kill a rather nasty bug. So, JR is still here but is catching up on his lakerholism.

JR

OH, and happy 4th!!

So off-subject but imagine what happens if D-Wade and Bosh go to Chicago and LeBron stays with the Cavs or goes to NY. Miami will be left with only Beasley and Chalmers! Talk about a rebuild.

Mamba24 - I virtually dumped you? News to me....

Posted by: justanothermambafan | July 03, 2010 at 09:16 PM

That's the problem of having so many GF's, not even the mighty Mamba24 can make all of them happy.
Now Larry, you will pay for your sins.
I suggest a greek punishment. LOL

Happy 4th of July everyone!

Happy 4th of July everyone!

Is there anyway we can trade LO and Sasha for Bush and trade
Bynum and Luke for Paul? Just curious

“…When I was younger, I used to want to go to the clubs and now if I even do step out, I like a loungey area instead of clubs."

Oh well, there you go. Problem solved. Am I just tired or is this hilarious?

FCM- if you’re not too busy ‘shooting off fireworks,’ (cheers!), just a little constructive criticism…
[some guy] …talks to a source who said the Lakers hadn't made an offer to
Fisher yet, which consisted of a one-year, $2.5-million deal.

I’m not sure if this sentence needs grammar paramedics or is beyond help.

LEWSTRS- I want to be moved to the ‘Fish never left, and isn’t going anywhere’ bandwagon.

Nothing personal to anybody, but this is my second summer of watching the blog discuss free agent money, and I’ve read about a couple hundred versions of people posting ‘so and so’s contract is too much, this guy is asking for too much, let the selfish (*&(#@! walk, that extra 1 or 2 million needs to go somewhere else cause otherwise Jerry Buss will never make any money’

And every time, Jerry Buss makes the offer, gets the contract, and spends the money. Kobe’s extension, Drew’s new contract, Odom’s new contract, Luke’s horrible unwieldy albatross of a contract; whatever. And the team wins and makes it worth his while.

Come to think of it, Jerry Buss has always done this. Every single time.
Fish will be back, and it’s awesome being a Lakers fan.

Jolly Rancher- glad to hear your granddaughter is doing ok. And I agree.

IT IS ALL ABOUT THE LOVE

GO LAKERS!

I mean Bosh not Bush

LEWSTRS- Um, i mean suburban. Sorry, got confused there.

vic- um, yeah....

I'd to know if you could trade LO and Sasha for Bosh? Can we trade Andrew B and Luke for Chris Paul? Just curious!!!

I'd like to know if the Lakers can trade LO and Sasha for Bosh? Can they trade Andrew B and Luke for Chris Paul? Just curious!!!!!

vic- technically, in salary terms, yes. In real terms, the other team's GM usually isn't that drunk.

LongTimeLakerFan writes a few comments summarizing this stuff every few days, and if he ever screws up, 300 people jump on him like a fat guy jumping on the last buffet on the Titanic, unless I am mixing my metaphors, so he's usually right, just keep checking in.

I'd like to know if the Lakers can trade LO and Sasha for Bosh? Can they trade Andrew B and Luke for Chris Paul? Just curious!!!!!

Posted by: vic | July 03, 2010 at 10:26 PM

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A. yes they can. UNFORTUNATELY, Toronto got tired of Bosh's antics and they will not help him anymore in a sign and trade. he is on his own. losing like 20-3- MIL.

B. Except LTLF, no ONE, no TEAM want Luke. and especially HIS contract.

If Caracter & Ebanks make the team, then 1/3 of the roster will be from Queens.

Starting to sound like an Episode of "Entourage"!

Lamar = Vinnie Chase
Ron-Ron = Johnny "Drama" Chase
Ebanks = 'E'
Caracter = Turtle
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GO LAKERS!!!!!! ONE, TWO, THREE-PEAT SQUARED!!!!!!

GET ON THE BUSS, THE "JERRY BUSS" EXPRESS!!!!!!

LakerTom,

I agree with you on the chemistry of the team and Fisher's importance. I also agree that Mitch Kupchak & Dr. Buss will find a way to keep Fish. But get ready for the long drawn out saga revival from last summer (ala Lamar Odom). It will most probably become a nail biter that will ultimately end with both the Lakers & Fisher finding a happy median.

BTW--Artest wasn't traded for Trevor, although the end result (including $$) was the same.
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GO LAKERS!!!!!! ONE, TWO, THREE-PEAT SQUARED!!!!!!

GET ON THE BUSS, THE "JERRY BUSS" EXPRESS!!!!!!

Is T-Mac available?

Said it before and I'll say it again:

Give D-Fish a 4 to 5 mil contract for ONE year

He mentors Blake as P-Jax mentors B-Shaw.

Then in 2011 (after our 3-peat) Phil retires, Shaw becomes coach, Derek retires and becomes assistant coach, and Blake starts at PG.

After all he's done for us, Fish needs to be a Laker-for-life. Player for one more year and coach/scout/admin guy after that.

JR - glad to hear your granddaughter's doing better, that sounds like a really rough patch for her.

***

Phred - in a couple months we'll be debating who to spend the newly-created geriatric exception on, Tractor Traylor or Dale Davis.

***

Justa - are virtual relationships as needy as virtual pets?

Put me on the bus, but throw Plascke under it first.

Put me on the bus, but throw Plascke under it first.

Happy 4th of July Mitch K. and Jerry B!! Have some barbeque Mitch and couple of beers, you've done a great job!


Blake, Ebanks, Caracter - Nice!

"Then next year Phil retires, Shaw becomes head coach, Derek becomes the new assistant coach, and Blake starts at PG, with a year of triangle under his belt.

That's how it should go down."


100% I agree, Best case scneario. Smooth transition. WIN more rings after PJ is gone.. We need Shaw, we need Fish, Right!!

AINGE FISHER TALKING?


I am JUST THINKING, what happens IF DANNY AINGE offers 2 years 10 million to Fisher.


A contender Fisher says! If he does not get the deal he wants from the Lakers. He wants to go to a contender!


Can anybody imagine Fisher in green. OH MY GOSH!


Does anybody wants to see Fisher taking last second shot of game 6 against the Lakers?

Character is from Fanwood, NJ not Queens, NY, although NJ and NY are right next to each other.

meant, Character was from Scotch Plains, NJ not Queens, NY.

Players LAKERS HAVE interest in and vise versa.


1 Mike Miller - asking price not in Lakers range
2 Anthony Morrow - restricted free agent
3 Steve Blake - GOT IT!
4 Dorrell Wright - ?
5 Tracy McGrady - asking price not in Lakers range


It seems no bigs are in the immediate list. Shooter is Lakers #1 priority, PG play is second, THEY BOTH GOT it in Steve Blake!


Staples 24,

Ainge had a bigger problem on his watch of his geriatric team than getting Fisher add more age. I think cooler heads intervene when dusts settled by next week. Heat will not hit the jackpot nor the Cavaliers, so Fisher will focus on Lakers negotiation. right now it is a wait and see attitude both our F/O and Fisher's agent. I get fascinated by fans or people trying to defend Fisher as if we hate him in sharing a piece of our mind......people, we just won the Championship we are under the banner of the Lakers, however as part of the ritual there is such thing a free agent season. Everyone has his own mind on how to divide the economic pie. Please don't get upset if what you liked does not happen, this is still business of the Buss Family and we are the fans. We judge them by results not go micromanaging on what they should do on day to day.

To Fisher's admirers and detractors,

If you summarize this blog, no two heads are the same, so chill out and stop insulting if someone gets into something that you don't like. Give your opinion and let others give theirs but don't delve into personalities like in the previous thread, this "intangible" just insulted me calling me elder because of what I said this morning. Nobody knows me in this blog except on what I write. I've spoken to LakerTom and Faith, other than that we are anonymous so it really takes one to know one. Never assume or profile anybody. To this day, we have not learned to live within the blog, we preach love yet can't respect one another and continue spew hate out there. If anybody hates my guts, my posts get out in the open and don't hide on several handles.

JR, on a good note I hope your granddaughter will be ok. I have some granddaughters too and we all get affected when they are sick, more so if she is confined at the hospital.

Have a safe and nice 4th July and to everyone in the blog too.

With Luke's injury situation, I hope Ebanks can develop pretty quickly and get into the rotation this year. I think he and Ron can combine to give opposing SF's nightmares all season long. Ron brings the strength and physicality, while Ebanks can bring the length and athleticism to slow you down. It would be a nice change of pace on defense.

Hopefully Kobe can take Ebanks under his wings and help him develop his game the way he did with Trevor.

@EJK "With Luke's injury situation, I hope Ebanks can develop pretty quickly and get into the rotation this year."

Lamar is looking to play some SF this year too. That's the versatility of keeping this front court together.

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willbanks,

OK, So Caracter isn't from Queens, But He Did Stay At A "Holiday Express" While Playing On The Same AAU Team as Ebanks!!!!

So Let's Just Say He's An "Honorary Queens Entourage" Member...... LOL
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GO LAKERS!!!!!! ONE, TWO, THREE-PEAT SQUARED!!!!!!

GET ON THE BUSS, THE "JERRY BUSS" EXPRESS!!!!!!

hi justa as you dump Mamba24,can i be your virtual BF?hahaha.lol

Gasolhaterforlife or ouchhhhhhhhhhhhhhhpigsound has open his sphincter.

In his stupid and infantile way to analyze players the only thing he consider is what his liver says: bile, bile and more bile with... excrements.

4 of July is little less happy day with specimens like him.

Learn ouchhhhhhhhhPIGSOUND: Gasol was the way to win TWO RINGS... anyone who knows something about basket know it.

DEREK FISHER ANTI-BANDWAGON
because father time is father time and your bell tolled loudly last year

1. Thumbs Down------one more year is a gift from Dr. Buss, take 2.8 mil and be happy.

TO FISHERS' ADMIRERS AND DETRACTORS,

If you summarize this blog, no two heads are the same, so chill out and stop insulting if someone gets into something that you don't like. Give your opinion and let others give theirs but don't delve into personalities like in the previous thread, this "intangible" just insulted me calling me elder because of what I said this morning. Nobody knows me in this blog except on what I write. I've spoken to LakerTom and Faith, other than that we are anonymous so it really takes one to know one. Never assume or profile anybody. To this day, we have not learned to live within the blog, we preach love yet can't respect one another and continue spew hate out there. If anybody hates my guts, my posts get out in the open and don't hide on several handles. Posted by: Edwin Gueco | July 04, 2010 at 12:01 AM
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I THINK WE ALL - YES THAT INCLUDES LARRY - CAN LEARN A LOT
FROM THIS POST!.....KUDOS EDWIN GUECO!!!
*
mamba24(larrY Holiway)

hobbitmage,

So, you would offer Fish a 2 yr deal at 4 mill per year + incentives, with a team option for the 2nd year.
Actually, I like that offer and agree with you.
I am going to guess that Fisher might go for that also.

I am totally in favor of incentive based pay for performance type of payment structures for all workers, including athletes.
I would like to see that with Kobe, Pau, Bynum, LBJ, Bosh and all the rest.
Perhaps the new CBA next year will address that.

In this case, I don't know how the incentive aspect of the contract counts towards the salary cap or luxury tax since it may or may not be paid out, but would like to now how that works if anyone knows.

It appears the only difference in our positions is I wouldn't let Fish get away and would work on restructuring your proposal somewhat to close the deal if need be.

And keep in mind, Kobe has never won a ring without the Fish. :)

How about No-Derek Fisher bandwagon?? :-)

Mamba24 - I virtually dumped you? News to me....Posted by: justanothermambafan | July 03, 2010 at 09:16 PM
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Justa, there could never be anyone else for me virtually or otherwise than you. Perhaps I put the wrong interpretation on your E-mail.

Larry/m24

How about No-Derek Fisher bandwagon?? :-)

Posted by: Lionel Messi | July 04, 2010 at 05:28 AM

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sign me UPPPPPPPPPP

Fisher should PAY the Lakers to play on the TEAM. of course with Ga-softy. they can continue to undermine the chemistry of the locker-room. what a great LEADER.

and on that note, please make a few kicks next time. or just kick your teammates to play better. it was disappointing.

Mamba24 - I virtually dumped you? News to me.... Posted by: justanothermambafan | July 03, 2010 at 09:16 PM That's the problem of having so many GF's, not even the mighty Mamba24 can make all of them happy. Now Larry, you will pay for your sins. I suggest a greek punishment. LOL Posted by: MrNano | July 03, 2010 at 10:04 PM Justa - are virtual relationships as needy as virtual pets? Posted by: dave m | July 03, 2010 at 11:00 PM hi justa as you dump Mamba24,can i be your virtual BF?hahaha.lol Posted by: Adrian Palomar | July 04, 2010 at 01:16 AM
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To my wonderful "Friends" Dave M., Adrian Palomar & Mr. Nano, your concern for Justa & my Virtual relationship is truly a touching beautiful thing. But all wells that end well & I know you will be happy to know that Justa & I are still together. There may be some other poor soul who might have need of your most thoughtful concerns so please, please please, feel free to "help" them .
mamba24/larrY

The Lakers haven't gotTen lucky with thE draft for quite a while. Hopefully, they did this year. They could use some good young talent.

GO LAKERS!!!

Happy 4th of July everybody! Party like you're the World champion!

Art - FL Lakers Fan,

you wrote: So, you would offer Fish a 2 yr deal at 4 mill per year + incentives, with a team option for the 2nd year.

my response: No ..... I offer Fish a 1 year deal at 3.5 + incentives to get him
up to 4 with a team option for the 2nd year.

I would *NOT* pay D-Fish 5 mil a year with incentives or not. He's not
worth it. [ i.e. 4 mil + incentives = 5 mil. ]

Per a post from last season, Dr. Buss is *NOT* cash positive until the
conference final. If *I* am in his situation, per your post, I am not looking
to drop an extra 4 million over the 3 I think D-Fish is worth. If I offer him
3, I have to pay 6. I'm willing to stomach that for the sake of another
championship. I'm not paying 10 million for a 36 yr. old pg whose numbers
are deteriorating. [ Yes, D-Fish gets 5. However, I have to pay 10 and this
is ultimately about what I have to pay not what he gets. It's my money. ]

If we were to move to incentive based structure for all athletes, including
Kobe, you'll be paying Kobe 40 mil per year. Count on that!

I find this whole thread *very* interesting/confusing. Everyone one
seems to want Dr. Buss to take less profit while paying non-performing
pieces more.

Do you *REALLY* believe that the Lakers *NEED* D-Fish's intangibles
in order to win next year? Do you *REALLY* believe that the decline in
D-Fish's numbers over the last 3 years are irrelevant? Do you *REALLY*
believe that Kobe, Pau, Bynum, Artest, LO & a reasonable pg aren't capable
of winning another title?

Why does Dr. Buss have to care more about the championship than D-Fish?
i.e. Why does Dr. Buss have to ignore D-Fish's declining production & pay
more, but D-Fish doesn't have to ignore his declining production & get a
nice paycheck? Why doesn't a declining/aged pg take a pay hit in order to
play for a last championship?

For the sake of fairness, D-Fish should take 2.5 mil per year + incentives.

You asked me if I was Dr. Buss what would I offer. Flip the script.

1st. Make an honest assessment of yourself. [ you're D-Fish. ]
2nd. You're D-Fish, & the Bible you believe in says: Pride comes before a fall.
3rd. What is it worth to you to win a 6th championship w/ the Lakers?
4th. Is there any offer that is too low for you to win a 6th championship and
if so, why is it too low?

Jolly Rodger - Its been a tough week for you and your family and am glad all is okay and your granddaughter is home now.

Enjoy this special day with your very special family.

And everyone, ....Have a great 4th of July!

Art -FL Lakers Fan,

pertinent to our discussion:

http://msn.foxsports.com/nba/story/Ridiculous-contract-offers-show-several-NBA-teams-are-going-crazy-070310

snippet:
The snubbed franchises then undertook to offer/sign second, third, fourth and even fifth tier players to hugely inappropriate contracts.

The comments about Joe Johnson & Rudy Gay highlight the issues in D-Fish.

A. Do you *REALLY* believe that the Lakers *NEED* D-Fish's intangibles
in order to win next year?

B. Do you *REALLY* believe that the decline in D-Fish's numbers over the last 3 years are irrelevant?

C. Do you *REALLY* believe that Kobe, Pau, Bynum, Artest, LO & a reasonable pg aren't capable of winning another title?

Posted by: hobbitmage

A. No More Intangibles
B. Relevant DECLINE
C. YES They Can. much easier. and not so laboriously as this season.

Happy $th to ALL (what a keyboard slip) 4th!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Happy 4th for all you freakin posters here...Once that said...
PLEASE, JUST PLEASE, can you guys stop writting the word BOSH? Can you? Look, this guy is good but let's face the truth: he's not THAT good, sorry. One thing is to be "the guy" from Toronto Raptors; another thing is to BE A LAKER, and he's not. You guys think that playing for our team is easy?
NO, IT'S NOT. I can easily see him being overshadow by Odom. Yeah, the inconcistent Odom.
Playing for the Lakers is something totaly different than playing for the Raptors. Is a much bigger dimension.
So when you think we'll trade him for LO or even Bynum (LOL...), stop dreamin...I'm so tired of the Bosh thing, seriously...
Steve Blake, for example, will not play the sam way he plays for the Clips/Blazers. Imagine yourself with the same jersey as KB...WOW, then he passes the ball to you and you need to hit a 3-pointer...I'd be so nervous that I'd probably hit a brick. And we'll see some bricks coming from him until he "understand" what it is to be a Laker, the team that everybody wants to beat so bad they're pairing "stars" on the same team to beat us.
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Lamar Odom, with all his package, is still a Laker. He proved to be valuable when it's needed. So I'll stick w/ him for now for the reason stated above.
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Cheers.

 
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