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Caught in the Web: Reaction to Derek Fisher's decision to stick with the Lakers

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--The Times' Mike Bresnahan and Broderick Turner report Derek Fisher has agreed to terms on a three-year contract believed to be worth about $10.5 million, including a player option in the third year. They also report the Lakers aren't expected to bring back Shannon Brown, meaning free agents Raja Bell and Shaun Livingston are possibilities to fill out their backcourt.

--The Times complies a Lakers salary list.

--The Las Vegas Review-Journal's Tristan Aird gives a mixed assessment on Devin Ebanks and Derrick Caracter.

--The Orange County Register's Kevin Ding explores the relationship between Kobe Bryant and Fisher.

--ESPN Los Angeles' Andy Kamenetzky implores Lakers fans to exhale now that Fisher has decided to stay.

--NBA.com puts Derrick Caracter on top of the rookie rankings.

--ESPN Los Angeles' Ramona Shelburne quotes sources that say "Bryant didn't just voice his support for Fisher's return; he made sure it happened."

--ESPN.com's Marc Stein reports that Bryant will meet Wednesday with Bell.

--The Daily News' Elliott Teaford says Fisher's value to the team was apparent throughout the playoffs.

--Bryant talks in the video below at his camp about the necessity that kids stay active (credit to Forum Blue and Gold's Phillip)

--Silver Screen and Roll's DexterFishmore believes the Lakers will keep Devin Ebanks and Caracter.

--Forum Blue and Gold's Darius breaks down what Jordan Farmar will bring to the New Jersey Nets.

--Lakers.com's Mike Trudell details what Ebanks and Caracter have brought to Summer League.

**There will be a chat tonight at 5:30 p.m. for the Lakers' Summer League game against the Kings. I won't be there since I'll be out in the field, but everyone behaved yesterday when I left you guys in charge.

Tweet of the Day: "it's a misnomer to say the Lakers and Kwame underachieved together - they actually overachieved" -- EricPincus (Hoopsworld's Eric Pincus)

Reader Comment of the Day: "I'm just waiting to see what miracle of a deal Mitch can come up with to complete the roster. Are we going to fill it with cheap tasteless and generic fillers or stuff it with excellent, fine tasting, free agent vets wanting to win a Championship? " -- Fatty

-- Mark Medina

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Photo: Lakers guard Derek Fisher, left, has agreed to a three-year deal believed to be worth about $10.5 million, including a player option for the final year. Credit: Wally Skalij / Los Angeles Times.

 
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MM - you should change the RCOTD to the Fatty-Friedman Award. Or the Friedman-Fatty Award. Either way. Then have another RCOTD for the rest of us. Seriously - these guys have the market cornered and no one else has a chance!!!

Also - have a Ron Artest Tweet of the Day. And another for everyone else.

Fatty - CONGRATS!! Excellent - as usual :)

Fatty,

Instead of a miracle how about a fantasy? Sasha Vujacic for Trevor Ariza. And now I wake up.

Fatty,

Congrats on the RCOTD.

Back to your analogy because it had me thinking.... you know that Riley is sitting on trip kings and Dr Buss is technically the underdog. However, if he acquires any 9 or any ace - he will win it all. Further, any heart and he wins also. Yeah, this means if Lamar plays with some heart, Ron Ron, Bynum, Blake... if these guys show up with heart, Buss wins. Now, if Buss pulls off the unthinkable here and acquires a 9 or ace that also has heart, he cannot be beat even if Riley plays a different game of triple draw and finds a pair to go with his kings....

So pretty much Buss still has chances to win even when his opponent looks unbeatable.

For those asking about T-Mac,

from: http://bleacherreport.com/articles/409052-nba-free-agency-tracy-mcgrady-strongly-interested-in-lakers

As expressed by one high-ranked official within the Lakers' management, should Tracy McGrady not return to the New York Knicks next season or spurn retirement, "expect the deal to get done by end of July."

-----------------------------------

Given that most of the MLE is gone ....

12 days into free agency, the Lakers have accomplished priority #1 with the
D-Fish signing. Priority #2 with the Blake signing.

Would T-Mac play for peanuts?

I'm rather indifferent b/n T-Mac & Bell. Given that Kobe will speak with
Bell tomorrow, I don't think we'll get T-Mac. Still. It would be nice.

The Laker bench would be: Blake, T-Mac, Bell, LO, Ebanks & Caracter.

btw, Did Shannon Brown just pull an "Ariza" and lose out on a championship
team?

Yes, I'm happy that D-Fish got re-signed. No, I wouldn't have given him 3
years. Yes, I'm curious that the salary didn't get printed. It looks like it's
close enough that Dr. Buss didn't over pay.

Yes, the draft picks have looked nice.

hmmm....collusion in the RCOTD...lol

Fatty and Friedman...
In the glory taking turns...
We feel like the Nets...

Tim-4-Show - great analogy on Buss and poker...

All I got to say...'I'm All In!!!"

The Word From The Eastern Front:


I just got off the phone with my father and he told me that Cleveland media was showing crowds celebrating in Miami and chanting in unison "BEAT L.A! BEAT L.A!"


1. The only franchise that has a right to chant that is Boston.


2. They've got to beat Boston and Orlando first.


3. I hate Florida. I'm glad it will be underwater soon.


What do we play for? RINGS!!!


Lakers Today... Lakers Tomorrow... Lakers Forever.


GO LAKERS!!!!

Did I mention how excited I would be to have Shaun Livingston in a Lakers uniform?


What do we play for? RINGS!!!


Lakers Today... Lakers Tomorrow... Lakers Forever.


GO LAKERS!!!

hmmm....collusion in the RCOTD...lol
Fatty and Friedman...
In the glory taking turns...
We feel like the Nets...
Posted by: LEWSTRS | July 13, 2010 at 12:02

LMAO!!!! Preach Lewstrs,Preach!!

Okay Kobe, time to give Shannon some $$$$$$$$$'s. Absurd that he won't be renewed.

Tracy McGrady? Not sure about that. In my opinion, he's fragile. Fragile in his mentality and fragile in body. You have to be mentally tough to withstand the rigors of the post season, and TMac, as good as he is, hasn't been able to achieve that.

On the other hand, he wouldn't have to be the go-to guy. Hmmm....

3. I hate Florida. I'm glad it will be underwater soon.

What do we play for? RINGS!!!
Lakers Today... Lakers Tomorrow... Lakers Forever.
GO LAKERS!!!!
Posted by: Jon K. | July 13, 2010 at 12:07 PM
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Jon K,

Yikes!

Please, let me know a more specific date that FL will be under water!!!!

Or, hopefully, you were just referring to the Miami area, that would be fine.

Glad to see Caracter and Ebanks are doing so well in summer league. I've watched a little of it and was impressed for summer league playing. Caracter fouls a lot, though. Shades of Chris Mihm? Wishing them well though, and hoping they have a great training camp.

The last game I saw of TMac...

He was terrible on defense and throwing up bricks on offense...

It was much of a shift, for he got benched due to foul trouble...

Then again, the last game I saw of Artest before he was a Laker, I was not impressed either...

I defer to Mitch...

>>>Instead of a miracle how about a fantasy? Sasha Vujacic for Trevor Ariza.
>>>And now I wake up.


Don't need that trade. Haven't you heard? The Lakers have a guy who can give them 90% of what Ariza gave them for 10% of the price.

His name is Devin Ebanks.

Learn it.

longtimelakerfan,

you wrote: In my opinion, he's fragile. Fragile in his mentality and fragile in body. You have to be mentally tough to withstand the rigors of the post season, and TMac, as good as he is, hasn't been able to achieve that.

my response: Are you *really* saying you wouldn't pay T-Mac 1 - 2 mil per
year to be on the Lakers bench?

re: fragile. b/n him and Luke walton [ 6 mil per year? ] we'd have a good
G/SF wouldn't we?

re: mentally fragile. With Artest, Kobe & D-Fish, is this *really* an issue?
Not to mention Phil.

If we can carry Luke, Sasha, Farmar, Brown, Powell & Mbenga ... is there
any doubt we can carry T-Mac?

We talked about our bench all year and part of last year, if I recall. Do you
honestly see Blake, LO, & T-Mac giving up a lead?

I that I would be very confident in giving a bench with Blake, LO & T-Mac
a 10 pt lead & being confident that we would still be leading 5 minutes later.

I think T-Mac would be a great addition to the Lakers even better so than Bell. We won last year with defense and we are bringing that same squad again, adding Blake to the mix would make us a better defensive team at the point. Wat we really lacked last year was consisten scoring from the bench. Sasha was too inconsistent and we wanted LO to be a scorer wich did not happen. Adding T-Mac to the bench would create the much needed scoring we need from the bench. Forget what you hear about T-Mac being fragile or his knees dont cut it any more. He is healthy again and will not need to play alot of minutes since he is coming off the bench. His body would be kept preserve and he would be healthy. He would be a scroing spark plug off the bench that we have been lacking now for a couple years. Blake running the point guard dutties, LO focused on defense and rebounding and T-Mac our scorer and the "Bench Mob" is back!

I seen T-mac play last year with NY, and wow, he had no legs at all..shooting flat footed..he was no slasher, just a jump shooter with no lift..it would def be intriguing if he got his legs back, but i would have to see it to believe it..

@hobbitmage


I flip-flop a bunch on whether or not Mc Grady would be a good add. If healthy, focused and willing to be a second stringer and to learn the basics of the offense...I'm down. He's a proven scorer with a variety of moves. I'm sure he's lost a lot of his old explosiveness (I doubt we'd see too many dunks off of a back board pass/rebound), but his all around ability, footwork and savvy would be an obvious boon.


But, would you rather have T-Mac or Raja Bell? In Bell you have a role player who has no qualms about his role. He's an intense, physical defender who doesn not back down from anyone (as Kobe can attest to) and a decent spot up shooter. What you lose in offense, you surely gain in defense, provided Bell is sufficently recovered from his freak elbow accident.


If both we're willing to come for what we have left of the exception money, whom would you rather have? Raw talent and a decent scorer? Mc Grady, hands down. Rugged defender and proven role player where offense is a bonus? Bell.


Interesting question, and I also can't help but feel we are weak in the Big Man Off The Bench department and would almost rather see them bring DJ back with that money, if he's willing. There's not too many bigs we can afford out there, DJ knows the system, the coaches know him, and he's played well enough for us. I don't know about you, but no matter how well Caracter does in the SPL, his ability to impact an NBA game will be a big question mark going into the season. Same with Ebanks (and he's more a 2/3 and we need another 4/5, or two) and both seem pretty foul prone, especially considering the competition.

hobbitmage,

>>>Would T-Mac play for peanuts?

Look at the date on the article... June 20. That was before the Lakers signed Steve Blake. I have a feeling TMac would have been willing to play for the Lakers for the MLE, but I have serious doubts he'd settle for the veteran's minimum.

If the Knicks still had his rights, then maybe they would have been willing to do a sign & trade for Sasha + a draft pick or two. But I think they had to renounce his Bird Rights to sign the players they've already signed.

>>>btw, Did Shannon Brown just pull an "Ariza" and lose out on a championship

I think it's a strong possibility. Shannon could have earned 2 million and stayed with the Lakers. Now much of the big free agency money has dried up and he still doesn't have a contract. If the Lakers do manage to sign TMac or Raja Bell or someone with more experience or talent than Shannon, then I'm pretty sure he's gone.

There are two ways I could imagine Shannon coming back. One is if all the bigger name players aren't willing to settle for the 1.8 million the Lakers have to spend. If that's the case, then I could see them offering Shannon a 1-year 3 million dollar deal, or maybe 2 years for 2.5 million each, or something like that.

The second way I could see the Lakers re-signing Shannon is if no other team offers him more than the 2 million that he waived. Then maybe, even if they already had Bell or TMac on the team, I could see the Lakers signing Shannon for some small amount - a million, maybe a million five. He'd be insurance in case Bell or TMac wasn't fully recovered from their injuries.
team?

Jon K,

>>>in Miami and chanting in unison "BEAT L.A! BEAT L.A!"

I guess that a regular season victory over the NBA Champs is the best that the Three My-egos (pronounced much like Three Amigos) can hope for.

They know they can't make it out of the Leastern conference (at least not until they add a few more role players the next couple of years), so they'll take comfort in a regular season victory over the Lakers.

If they can even manage to pull that off.

@hobbitmage


If neither T-Mac or Bell, though, who is left? Shaun Livingston sounds nice, but I can easily imagine him getting bullied about in the playoffs and his need to dominate the ball to be effective will be problematic for our type of team. Let's assume Caracter and Ebanks make the team as the 12 and 13th roster spots (same as Morrison and a combo of Powell/Mbenga have held down), we need two more guys to fill out the 10 and 11. We need a center for Bynum insurance, I'd like some better scoring off the bench and to add some athleticism now that Brown looks like he's heading elsewhere.


What rabbit will Mitch pull out of his cap?

The last game I saw of TMac...

He was terrible on defense and throwing up bricks on offense...

Posted by: LEWSTRS | July 13, 2010 at 12:28 PM


I was wondering if you saw Fishers last 109 games (except for maybe 3 or 4 games)?

KB Blitz,

Thanks my brother for the link regarding Kobe meeting with Bell tomorrow. I'd like to see Bell join us because of his willingness to defend and ability to hit open threes. I believe the reason Kobe wants Bell really bad is because Kobe seems to like players that are both physically and mentally tough and are willing to do whatever it takes to win. Kobe basically said the same thing about Blake. When it comes to defense and outside shooting, Bell is definitely and upgrade over Shannon and Jordan.

I would want TMac solely for the offensive firepower that he could give us coming off the bench. Sure, he's a risk because of his injuries, but if he stays healthy(which is more likely if he's coming off the bench as oppose to being a starter), even a 75% TMac is better than a lot of players in this league offensively. In Bell and TMac, we would have a perfect blend of defense and offense from our bench. TMac still has the ability to create his own shot and slash to the hoop, something no other Laker, outside of Kobe is capable of doing. I would say TMac is worth a shot, if he's willing to play for the minimum and accept his role.

Fatty,

Congrats on RCOTD. Well earned!

Hobbitt,

You said "you wrote: In my opinion, he's fragile. Fragile in his mentality and fragile in body. You have to be mentally tough to withstand the rigors of the post season, and TMac, as good as he is, hasn't been able to achieve that.

my response: Are you *really* saying you wouldn't pay T-Mac 1 - 2 mil per
year to be on the Lakers bench?

I am the one who said that, not LTLF. Just clarifying.

And to answer the question, I am really saying that. T-Mac is good. But he's not great. And I have serious doubts about his ability to be happy and productive on the bench.

If they do sign him, I pray to God it won't be for multiple years.

@ Magia32 -

Yes I've watched Fish's last 200 games...and where have you been...

That's all the conversation in this blog the last month...

No need to explain's Fish's worth to the team...

If you don't get it, maybe you need to watch more Laker games...

If we did get Tracey McGrady, Thriller would inspire him to be a better defender.


No way that Kobe and Thriller are going to let TMac slouch on defense. No way. Not happening.


What do we play for? RINGS!!!


Lakers Today... Lakers Tomorrow... Lakers Forever.


GO LAKERS!!!

McGrady has been working with Grover and physical therapist David Reavy for weeks trying to get himself back into playing shape. Reavy is so convinced of the progress that he suggested recently that the Rockets superstar could be ready to go by October 1 and back in the lineup when the season starts, a recovery plan that would have him healthy weeks in advance of the average patient. Reavy and company have been working on a plan to even McGrady's body out again.

NOUGH SAID????

@LONGTIMELAKERLOVER

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Sad day here in NYC. Much of the city is pausing to reflect on the life and legacy of Mr. George Steinbrenner. Along with the loss of long time public address announcer Bob Sheppard, this is a tough time for the Yankees and their fans. May they both rest in peace.

"I was wondering if you saw Fishers last 109 games (except for maybe 3 or 4 games)?


Posted by: Magia32 | July 13, 2010 at 12:43 PM
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ZING!!!!!

@Mamba my brotha from anutha mutha
No offense taken.. U got ur opinions and I got mine.. All good in the neighborhood. :)

@lewsters.. Offense taken.. J/k.. Great point.. since he's passed every test I guess he is innocent.. I guess by ur logic lance armstrong is clean too.. I don't care for baseball though so u can take it from here

@longtimelakerlover


you cant be serious? so you rather have bell come off the bench than Tmac???? whats wrong with you!!!!????

his much better than bell in every way, Defense, Offense, rebounding, block, and i mean everything so why would you say that you wouldnt pick Tmac to be on the bench, i mean the guys asking to come and sit on the bench, as a matter of fact if its going to come down to the wire i say trade LO for Tmac because Tmac is like LO x 50... Tmac was the leading scorer in the NBA its just sucks because he always had a team that didnt have any other players besides him. so his done with his injuries and his ready to play. he has Ron as a friend, Kobe as a leader, Pau as a Center and him as a forward so i think if we get Tmac then all bets are that we are going to like 10 more championship. if by any chance GOD FORBID we get BELL then im just gonna bash on him every time on this site because i dont know why i hate the guy...

so im sure my dear popular laker bloggers know how i feel about Tmac lol including yesterdays chat hehe so there you have it!!

i still have Tmac All-Star Jersey when he just got into Houston... lol yeah long time Tmac fan.

Time to be CONCERN, WORRIED, SCARED? My answer YEAH! A worthy opponent. Miami-Lakers 2011! for sure!


Zydrunas Ilgauskas, Udonis Haslem, Mike Miller and more veterans are on their way to Miami Heat.


Jerry Stackhouse on NBA TV announced he would accept a vet's minimum if offered to play for Miami Heat, he also said veterans like him are willing to go to Miami with Bosh,Wade,Lebron core in place. YIKES!!!


Let's go Lakers!


I think adande read my diatribe yesterday on riles.. He just responded with an article on bspn today.. ;)

Jerry Buss, time to open your wallet again, LAKERS DEPTH NEED MORE than just Blake, Odom!!!


Sahsa, Luke plus some rookies are not going to do it.

RAJA RAJA RAJA

If Raja becomes a Laker (fingers crossed), I expect him to see a fair share of minutes playing alongside Kobe. I would not be surprised to see Raja in the game in crunch time against certain matchups. Raja's game meshes perfectly with Kobe's. He can spread the floor and play well off the ball, and a Raja/Kobe tandem would be amazing defensively.

Our Big Defensive Lineup:
PG-Kobe
SG-Raja
SF-Artest
PF-Gasol
C-Bynum

Our Run and Gun Offensive Lineup:
PG-Blake
SG-Raja
SF-Kobe
PF-Lamar
C-Gasol

Nemaia...

I agree with you and others about Tracy Mac. His situation seems very similar to that of Bob McAdoo. Prior to coming to the Lakers in the 80's, Bob was also regarded as an injury plagued shell of his former self. McAdoo proved the naysayers wrong and had some productive post seasons for LA.

TMac...Bob Mc? Hmmm... Macs of a feather?

I think the Heat-thang is all kinda fun, and they just make the Lakers look better. I just don't know who's going to get in the trenches and do the dirty-work for them. They think they're going to be Showtime+, but Magic would pound, and Coop would pound, etc. Who on the Heat are going to get roughed up and give down in the trenches? The Lakers each year have gotten tougher and tougher. Heat? I don't know.

I hope he (T-Mac) can get his legs back, and get in shape..but if we had options to get Shannon, Raja, or T-Mac..i would take Shannon first, then Raja..I mean, i think its great that Raja took bows from Kobe and all that happened, but man, that was in '06..I don't think Raja is the same player he was then either..def need DJ and Shannon back..those would be huge pieces to get back again..and i like the way Caracter and Ebanks are playing right now..they should make the roster..

>>>Did I mention how excited I would be to have Shaun Livingston in a Lakers uniform?

I kinda cringe at Shaun Livingston. He's kinda the poster child for not quite living up to the hype. Not as bad as Kwame or anything like that, but...

I remember watching him with the Clippers before he got injured. Once in awhile you'd see a spectacular pass or something and you'd think, Maybe this guy could really become an All-Star. But 80% of the time, his play was just average.

I think Shannon Brown's a reasonable comparison. Though there wasn't as much hype about Shannon coming out of college, when you watch Shannon play, sometimes he'll make a spectacular block or a thunderous dunk where his head is level with the top of the backboard and you jump out of your seat. But then he'll have two or three games where he spends most of the time bricking long shots and getting beat off the dribble (remember the Ty Lawson highlight dunk? That started out with him blowing right by Shannon like he was standing still).

So while I wouldn't MIND Livingston becoming a Laker, I wouldn't expect any more out of him than if the Lakers re-signed Shannon Brown, or Javaris Crittenton for that matter.

BTW, I don't think Critter is out of the question. He is reportedly still recovering from foot surgery, or he would be on the Lakers Summer League team. He did have most of a year experience in the triangle, and like Livingston had some moments when he showed remarkable potential. Perhaps being mentored by Fisher would calm him down a bit and get him back on the right track.

One other option that's been mentioned here is Ibrahim Jaaber. Yeah. I know. I hadn't heard of him before he joined the Lakers Summer League team either. Here's the scoop on Jaaber:

He played for UPenn in college, and was the Ivy League Player of the Year in his junior and senior years. He's a good defender, and was 2nd in the NCAA in steals for 2006 and 3rd in the NCAA for steals in 2007. IN 2007, his senior year, he was an AP All-American Notable. UPenn was never really good enough to go far in the NCAA tournaments, but Jaaber played well in those games, scoring 16 vs Texas A&M in 2006 and 15 vs Texas in 2007.

Didn't make any NBA team, so he's been playing in the Euroleague since then. His last team was Lottomattica Roma. Note that Lottomatica has had some prestigious players in the past, including Michael Cooper, Brian Shaw, Rick Mahorn, Anthony Parker, and... Brandon Jennings.

What I've seen of him in Summer League, Jaaber is a good defender and passer, but a so-so shooter. I can't find average stats for Lottomattica (the only sites I can find on them are in Italian), but in the last few games with them, Jaaber played pretty well (and it confirms the so-so shooter impression). Here are a few stat lines for you:

May 16 vs Pepsi Caserta (I guess this means Jaaber is a Coke man)
10 points on 3-7 shooting, 4-5 free throws, 3 rebounds, 1 steal

May 8 vs Canadian Solar Bolgona
10 points on 4-10 shooting, 4 rebounds, 3 assists

April 25 vs Armani Jeans Milano
5 points on 2-8 shooting, 8 rebounds (not a very good game for him)

April 17 vs Cimberio Varese
12 points on 5-14 shooting, 3 steals, 3 rebounds, 1 assist

Anyhoo, if the Lakers can't get Bell and if Brown takes more money to go elsewhere and what have you, Jaaber might be someone they could consider as a fifth guard - he'd be an NBA rookie, so he would only cost them half a million.

Newsflash: Kobe recognizes lakers biggest weakness and takes initiative

Its no coincidence that right after lakers sign dfish kobe is immediately going after a perimeter defender in bell

Thanks guys.....

Tim-4-Show -

I see your point, but raise you this.

Riley is slick, very slick, and would think it nothing about slipping something under-the-table, to win a hand.

But Dr. Buss has something none of the other owners possess.

And that's....

"Cojones with brains."

He's shrewd. He's smart. And he's not afraid to go for it all, ....especially when the cards are lining up right.

Fatty - Who is still waiting for Dr. Buss to flip that card and let Mitch perform his magic.

since Dallas just slammed the door in Shaq's face in trading for Tyson Chandler, resigning Haywood and pursing Al Harrington w/ MLE... his only option with a playoff team may be Atlanta who would offer him the MLE....Any team who has a chance to win it all (Lakers, MIA, Boston) would offer him the vet. min.....I still think he would be a great pickup as Bynum insurance, playing 20 mins a night (in 62 games). Shaq get your agent on the phone w/ Kobe, Mitch, Buss .....sincerely apologize for being a jerk ...and take a 1 year deal at the vet min....and make a little more when Sasha's contract is off the books next year...win two more rings b/f and retire as a Laker!!

Potential line up
Kobe
Gasol
Fischer
Artest
Bynum
Blake
Sasha
Bell
Odom
T-Mac
Walton
Two rookies
We need a back up center, can the rookie do it? Walton or Sasha salaries are needed to get a big man. Or forget T-Mac and get a center for the veteren exception.
We cannot keep Walton and Sasha, I like Sasha skills over Walton at this point in time. Bynum is fragile we need a back-up.

Truth

I agree.. Would love bell fillin in starting 5 in place of dfish.. that would be a lockdown perimeter defensive dream.

On the free agent front....

ESPNews is reporting that the Jazz is acquiring Al Jefferson.

Portland is reported to have signed Wesley Mathews, Jr. to an offer sheet at 5 yrs./$34M. Jazz can match, but that seems like a stiff price considering the Jazz' reputation for frugality. That may turn out to be a great get for Portland. Mathews reminds me of a young Ron Artest.

Also, Big Z is supposedly on his way to Miami. For a team with no extra money, Miami is certainly busy. Can anyone say under the table?

>>>Okay Kobe, time to give Shannon some $$$$$$$$$'s. Absurd that he won't
>>>be renewed.


Hmmm. Not so sure I agree with that assessment.

I like Shannon. I think he works hard and he's as athletic as they come. His alley-oop dunks are a true crowd pleaser. And his defense is okay. It's not spectacular, but it is better than Fisher's defense (although he could take some lessons from DFish on how to take a charge).

But what really sold the Lakers on re-signing last season was Shannon's spectacular shooting in the playoffs - The man hit 48% of his 3-pointers for the playoffs! Outstanding. If he could have kept that up, then he would be underpaid at the 2 million that he was supposed to earn next season.

But Shannon's numbers dropped off a lot in the 2009-10 season. He was only a 33% 3-point shooter for the season, and a 28% 3-point shooter for the playoffs. And he's never been as good a passer as Fisher or Farmar (or Kobe or Lamar or Pau or Drew or Luke for that matter). So basically, what he gave the Lakers in the 2010 playoffs was some okay defense and a few breakaway dunks.

To be fair, I seem to recall that Shannon was injured late in the season, so he was nursing a bad hand (if I remember right). But he got along with everyone and played his role well (and actually had a few special games when Kobe was out with injuries).

So if the Lakers can get Shannon to come back for a reasonable amount, then yeah, I'd love to have him back. But if some team offers him a contract in the neighborhood of what Farmar got offered, I doubt the Lakers will match.

Oh, and in case you missed it, the Lakers DID re-sign Brown. They re-signed him last summer for a two year contract. But there was a player option on the second year. Shannon opted out of the contract, presumably because he wants to earn more money. Whether the Lakers will decide it's worth spending more on him remains to be seen.

Fish - Would have preferred less years at more $ per year, can't imagine what year 3 looks like, but glad he is back.

Ebanks and Caracter - Very pleasantly surprised at the early Summer League returns. A couple summer games is a long way from contributing to titles, but it is encouraging. It again shows Mitch's talents and provides hope of some cheap (but useful) help on the bench.

Bell - I'd give him a full workout to test him out, but if he is healthy and has some athleticism left, that could be a huge add - defense, 3 pointers and attitude (plus hunger for a ring) off the bench? What's not to like? Along with Lamar, Blake, Sasha and the rookies, hopefully a more productive bench than we have seen for a while.


LeBron - Can't get it out of my head. Going to "take my talents to South Beach." Is it just me, or does that sound like he's going to be a stripper?


Tom D.

On NBA.com's rookie ladder and rankings of top rookies so far in summer league play, Derrick Caracter has vaulted to the top spot with Wall second and Ebanks third. I'd say that our two picks are playing better than anyone expected and have made Mitch and the Lakers look real smart in drafting them. I am looking forward to the matchups tonight of Caracter/Cousins and Ebanks/Casspi as we play the Kings. No question in my mind that as Caracter continues to shed the weight(dropped more than 30 lbs already from 305 to close to 270)and adds muscle and strength, he's going to be tough for anyone to guard in the paint. This is why he's making quicker, stronger moves around the basket and scoring with ease. All he has to do is cut down on the fouls and turnovers. I love what I see out of both our young guys and I expect them to make our team and contribute.

LAL818,

I want Bell to join our team, but like you I also would love TMac for all the reasons you listed above. I think we would even be better and stronger if we landed both. Once upon a time, not long ago, TMac was considered by some to be better or on par with Kobe. But, Kobe has proven mentally and physically that he's a different animal altogether, TMac has been derailed by some debillitating injuries and some bad luck. I think TMac still has a lot left and would provide us with much needed offense off our bench.

The Mavs have just gotten bigger with the addition of Tyson Chandler in a trade and after re-signing Brendan Haywood. Now they can possibly have three 7footers in the lineup with Tyson, Brendan and Dirk. Things have just got a little more interesting in the West.

Ilgauskas goes to Miami to be the Judas to Bron's Benedict Arnold, LOL. What's funny is that Z said when he's done playing for the Heat, he wants to work for the Cavs! Dan Gilbert must be saying, "not a chance in hell!"

>>>would you rather have T-Mac or Raja Bell?

Jamie Sweet,

Remember that Raja Bell is ALSO coming back from an injury. He had surgery near the start of last season and missed most of the season. So until we see him on the court again, we won't know if he's lost a step or not.

If it's Tmac that played for New York last season vs Bell playing at the level he used to play at before the injury, then I'll take Bell.

Kobe knows what the Lakers need.


Finals, games 5, 6 and 7, who is going to show up with him? Who has the heart to play tough defense on big big names like LEBRON and WADE.


Kobe knows rookies maybe good, but that is just for regular season games. So forget Ebanks and Caracter's showing in summer league. Kobe wants players who CAN PLAY IN THE BIG STAGE, has VETERAN PLAYOFFS EXEPRIENCE.. not trainees!


He liked Blake, we got Blake! He wants Bell, let's get Bell!


Blake, Bell and Odom that's a good start for the bench.


>>> When it comes to defense and outside shooting, Bell is definitely and
>>>upgrade over Shannon and Jordan.

And that is the crux of the biscuit.

Fatty-Congrats, you and a few others are true wizards on the keyboard. So Kobe decided to talk with Raga, REALLY....... First thing first, bust him in the MOUTH. Than pass him an olive branch, let him know how great it would be for him to join the WORLD CHAMPS.

Nemaia,

>>>I would want TMac solely for the offensive firepower that he could give us
>>>coming off the bench.

Okay, so what if Allen Iverson was willing to sign with the Lakers and play for a minimum contract to try to get a ring. Would you be interested?

bronxlakerfan,


Never liked the Yankees, but always respected them. Steinbrenner (who was originally from Cleveland) had a commitment to excellence. As Lakers fans we can appreciate that.


What do we play for? RINGS!!!


Lakers Today... Lakers Tomorrow... Lakers Forever.


GO LAKERS!!!

I have to go back and re-read more comments - but wanted to add some on T-Mac.

If T-Mac becomes a Laker, he should work for free. He made so much money early on when he was hyped as the next best thing. He needs to prove himself worthy of a ring with "THE BEST THING".

Cheers - PLG


Blake, Bell, Posey, Odom, that sounds like a solid bench!


Can we sign Eric Dampier for a vet's Minimum, is he being released by Bobcats?

BENCH: LO, Bell, T-MAC, Blake, Two Rookies, DJ(congo)

>>>so you rather have bell come off the bench than Tmac??

Just to make this easy on you, I agree with LTLL.

So both LTLL and LTLF agree that Raja Bell would give the Lakers more than TMac.

bronxlakersfan,


"Can anyone say under the table?"


Ummm... my gut says there are all kinds of stuff Darth Stern doesn't want to talk about happening in Miami.


Can you say 'Carribbean offshore banking'?


What do we play for? RINGS!!!


Lakers Today... Lakers Tomorrow... Lakers Forever.


GO LAKERS!!!

Laker bench

Blake
Raja
TMac
LO
Shaq/Dampier, Sheldon Williams
Ebanks
Character
Sasha

@bronslakerfan -AGREED

TMAC allthe way!

Bronxlakerfan,

The Bob McAdoo and TMac comparison is outstanding! I completely agree!

LTLF - YEs we would be interested in AI except we gotta get rid of Blake so we can have more money!!! lol

>>>Jerry Buss, time to open your wallet again, LAKERS DEPTH NEED MORE
>>>than just Blake, Odom!

Don't sweat it Staples 24...

Even if the Laker do sign both of their 2nd rounders, they'd still have to hire at least 2 other players. The CBA sets the minimum roster size at 13, so at this point I can guarantee you that the Lakers will sign at least 4 more players before the start of the season (Caracter and Ebanks aren't signed yet, so they may be 2 of the 4).

And they might sign more than the minimum. I doubt it, but it's at least possible. Maybe you'll see the Lakers sign as many as 6 new players between now and October. The reason it's unlikely is because their core is pretty solid and pretty well set. Right now, I'd say these guys are all guaranteed big minutes in the rotation:

Kobe, Pau, Lamar, Drew, Fish, Artest, Blake. That's 7 players. Most teams go with an 8 or 9 player main rotation. If Luke's healthy, that's probably 8 (or maybe Ebanks is 8 if Luke's not healthy). If they get Bell, that's probably 9. So anyone beyond that will probably see the floor about as much as MBenga did last season.

>>>Tracy Mac. His situation seems very similar to that of Bob McAdoo.

Ooooooo. Nice thinkin.

Tmac for just minimum 2MIL is a compelling argument but if I had to choose bell wins hands down by a landslide..

Tmac is a broken down piece of old clunker.. He couldn't even last more than 10 games in NY before his body started breaking down again for other nagging injuries.

I doubt it mitch would even consider him


Lakers next TWO hires should be all about PLAYOFF defense experience with lots of heart, NOT THE ONE"S that goes missing in action..


I am having nightmares of stopping Lebron and Wade in the playoffs and we are in the middle of July.


Can you feel what Boston and Magic are feeling?

LongTimeLakersFan,


" So anyone beyond that will probably see the floor about as much as MBenga did last season."


Here's the fricken problem: "The Bench Mob" generally speaking played like garbage last season. They could not hold or expand upon a lead. [Thanks a lot, Farmar!] So, Phil was forced to play our starters too many minutes, thus opening them up to injury.


I'm still amazed that we won the Championship with everyone injured. We can't risk that a second time.


We need our Bench to be solid so we can give the bottom end of our bench more minutes and our starters less minutes so they can be better protected from injury and fresher for the playoffs.


What do we play for? RINGS!!!


Lakers Today... Lakers Tomorrow... Lakers Forever.


GO LAKERS!!!

Staples 24,


LeBron was overly interested in partying and joking around WHEN HE WAS IN CLEVELAND! Now he's in Miami! Do you know how distracted he's going to be?


What do we play for? RINGS!!!


Lakers Today... Lakers Tomorrow... Lakers Forever.


GO LAKERS!!!

T Mac, Raja, and MBenga too!!

T Mac, Raja, and MBenga too!!

I like the sound of that.....

Our small line up would be.

Blake
Bell or Sasha
T Mac or Luke (if healthy)
LO
Pau

I could live with that.

LeBron - Can't get it out of my head. Going to "take my talents to South Beach." Is it just me, or does that sound like he's going to be a stripper?


Tom D.

Posted by: Tom Daniels | July 13, 2010 at 01:31 PM

Tom D......

Man that is WAYYYY too funny!!! I think it's safe to say that he would be the ugliest stripper in the history of stripping!!!

Jamie Sweet,

you asked: But, would you rather have T-Mac or Raja Bell?

my answer: I'm indifferent. They're just different looks.

I see things like this. Our starting 5 should be better than every other
starting 5 in the league. I say this in terms of chemistry [ time together ],
skill & scheme. Our 1st sub and our 1st rotation means ... we upgrade @
center and downgrade at PF. We're still in the top 5 starting 5's in the
league. So .....

Bell is better at defense. T-Mac is better at offense. Both will play adequately
on either end of the floor. Our bench would look like:

bench 1. Blake, Bell, Luke, LO & Gasol [ ebanks & caracter ]

bench 2. Blake, T-Mac, Luke, LO & Gasol [ ebanks & caracter ]

Tell me the truth. Don't you take *EITHER* one in a heartbeat?

>>>Any team who has a chance to win it all (Lakers, MIA, Boston) would offer
>>>him the vet. min.....I still think he would be a great pickup as Bynum
>>>insurance, playing 20 mins a night (in 62 games).

Much as some people are still soured on Shaq, I think that would be a great deal.

I think Shaq will end up taking the most money he can get from any team, much like Jordan Farmar.

But if Shaq was willing to sign for a minimum contract (or even the 1.8 million the Lakers have left of the MLE) and willing to back Bynum up, then he could be a great asset to the team, and he could add to his ring count. If he did a good job as a backup, he might even heal his image enough to get his number retired as a Laker.

And I think Andrew Bynum is a lot less likely to get injured if Shaq is playing 15-20 minutes of backup center. Gasol and Odom will also get a little more rest during the regular season.

MITCH K and JIM BUSS,


You've done great on the rookies this summer. But that is for two, three years down the road. This year, we need vets who knows what to expect in the playoffs and will FIGHT WITH KOBE ALL THE WAY! Not vets like Odom who will disappear for the most part!

Get Radja Bell.


>>>We cannot keep Walton and Sasha,

Because CLEARLY they can't POSSIBLY win any championships with those two guys on the team.

Oh.

Wait.

We won the last two championships in a row WITH those two guys, and it would be three in a row if not for Bynum's fragile knees.

Kobe and Artest needs a third rotation guy who can play excellent defense in the NBA Finals. Kobe knows it is Radja Bell.

Kobe, Pau, Lamar, Drew, Fish, Artest, Blake. That's 7 players. Most teams go with an 8 or 9 player main rotation. If Luke's healthy, that's probably 8 (or maybe Ebanks is 8 if Luke's not healthy).
============

LTLF,

Does Sasha fit in there somewhere?

I like what Ebanks has shown so far in the summer league, but if we can add Tmac to the bench along with Bell, both big ifs...and get a b/u center, that's remarkable. If you can have mac play the backup 2/3 to help kobe and ron get through the regular season and be the scoring punch from the perimeter we know odom can't provide.. how is this not a much more complete team than last year? When shannon would go to take a jump shot off a crossover which left no one in the dust, we all said the same thing we would with fisher taking a pull up with 20 seconds on the clock, or ron with an off the dribble three "nooooooo". Tmac as a 20 min a night scorer(jason terry role) is exactly what the Lakers need to keep kobe and ron fresh for the post season, please make this happen JB/MK

Tony Allen for 10 mil three years, who signed with the Grizzlies. He like Bell, guarded Kobe in biggest stage of the playoffs. Did me missed out on him?


This year the Lakers bench will be the deciding factor. If Raja come on board and Tracy is willing to sign a 1 year deal that would sure up the perimeter and keep Kobe fresh. But they have to pickup a center they are confident in using throughout the season and playoffs. DJ is a cool guy but Phil doesn't seem to have that confidence in him. Pau was over worked last season being the best PF in the game and the best backup Center. Sheldon Williams is out there ...perhaps they can use Sasah's expiring contract to land a quality reserve big.

Jon K...you wrote

Never liked the Yankees, but always respected them. Steinbrenner (who was originally from Cleveland) had a commitment to excellence. As Lakers fans we can appreciate that.

It's funny. 20 years ago, A lot of New Yorkers couldn't stand George Steinbrenner. He was viewed as a meddlesome, micromanaging dictator who couldn't produce a winner. The Yankee run in the late 90's and the fact that in recent years his health failed, changed the perceptions of the man. He was definitely a man of contrasts.

Longevity has a way of bringing things into perspective as well as changing public opinion. Look at Kobe's career. Had Kobe never played another game after 2007, his legacy and impact on the NBA would be a lot different than they are today. Now Kobe is in the discussion as the GLOAT. Times change, and perception and opinions change with them.

LTLF,

Thanks for your response regarding TMac. I would take TMac over AI because after watching both of their comback attempts with NY and Memphis/Philly respectively, TMac seemed to have more left than AI. Also, TMac is good friends with Kobe and would probably accept a lesser role with the team than AI would(I read what he said about returning, but I don't buy it). Although I've always loved AI's heart and game, TMac is just a better fit because of the multiple roles he could play on the court for us just because of his length and versatility. He could play the one, two or three spot depending on the matchups.

I also don't see anything wrong with having both Bell and TMac if they both want to come here for the minimum.

I would love for the Lakers to trade Sasha for a back up big for Bynum. Obviously this big would be payed less than Sasha there for saving us money to bring in Bell and TMac both plus the reserve big.

>>>LTLF,
>>>
>>>Does Sasha fit in there somewhere?

Sure. I realized my omission after I hit Post.

>>>Tony Allen for 10 mil three years, who signed with the Grizzlies. He like Bell,
>>>guarded Kobe in biggest stage of the playoffs. Did me missed out on him?

Difference is that Tony Allen couldn't hit an outside shot to save his life, while Bell is a career 40% 3-point shooter.

The Lakers already have two guys who can post up in the lane (Bynum, Gasol) and three guys who can post up a little or slash to the lane (Kobe, Odom, Artest). They need more outside shooting. Farmar's 40% 3-point shooting for the playoffs is gone and Shannon's 28% 3-point shooting for the playoffs just won't cut it.

Bell's got it.

Allen hasn't

>>> Sheldon Williams is out there

And is a huge suck. Mbenga would be a MUCH better choice than Williams.

I am so confused now with the Mavs.

Didn't they just sign Haywood with Carlisle flying to Haywood saying he was going to start which is why he agreed to re-sign with the Mavs? Now they trade for Tyson Chandler?

Is Chandler going to back up Haywood. Or are they trying to counter our three leaning towers of Pisa?


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