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Caught in the Web: Post-Fourth of July links

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-- AOL Fanhouse's Sam Amick reports the Lakers aren't pursuing Chris Bosh.

-- The Orange County Register's Janis Carr believes the Lakers' agreeing to terms with former Clipper guard Steve Blake means the Lakers won't keep Shannon Brown.

-- AOL News' Carl Franzen uses Zen definitions to explain why Phil Jackson is returning to the Lakers.

-- ESPN Los Angeles' Andy Kamenetzky highlights Mitch Kupchak's thoughts on free agency.

-- ESPN Los Angeles' Arash Markazi writes an open letter to Lakers owner Jerry Buss and pleads his case why he needs to re-sign Derek Fisher.

-- The New York Times' William Rhoden explains why "the more I see of LeBron James, the more I like Kobe Bryant."

-- Silver Screen and Roll's C.A. Clark credits the Lakers organization for not sharing its off-season plans.

-- Forum Blue and Gold's Phillip reflects on Kobe Bryant's 81-point performance against Toronto.

-- Yahoo! Sports' Adrian Wojnarowski reports the Lakers believe they can reach a deal with Fisher, and then plan to pursue Raja Bell.

Tweet of the Day: "Btw I have the crustiest toes in the history of toes" -- RONARTESTCOM (Lakers forward Ron Artest)

Reader Comment of the Day: "Fourth of July Party? Bring em all. Bring Sasha hugging Kobe and Pau crying and Kobe and his kids, and Ron completely losing it with happiness, and Fish crying and covered in champagne, and a million fans all dancing and singing and cheering, the whole Laker Blog partying until three or fours days later they have to slink off and go to work or sleep or whatever... Wait, didn't we just have this party? Oh yeah, when we won THE WHOLE FREAKING CHAMPIONSHIP!" -- phred

-- Mark Medina

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Photo: Ron Artest likely had as much fun on Fourth of July as he did after the Lakers won their 16th championship. Credit: Lisa Blumenfeld / Getty Images

 
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Like the Secret Service, we have unlimited black Suburbans
to escort DFish to the Lakers training camp in El Segundo...

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Amare 100 mil 5 yrs...
Joe Johnson 120 mil 6yrs...
Channing Frye 39 mil for 5 yrs...
Rudy Gay 80 mil 5yrs...
Hakim Warrick 18 mil 4yrs...

After seeing this, Fish deserves his 5 mil per...and Luke's and Sasha's contract doesn't look as bad...Lamar's looks great...

Artest contract is a HUGE bargain...Steve Blake is a great for 4 mil per...

And Kobe...he deserves every penny he gets...

"Btw I have the crustiest toes in the history of toes" -- RONARTESTCOM

That makes me hungry just thinking about it.

Good Morning Laker Family,

Keep Derek Fisher and then sign Raja Bell. Blake and Bell would definitely bolster our bench alongside LO and the two rookies(Ebanks, Caracter and maybe even Gerald Green). Hey, if Steve Blake plays really well this season, we'll start calling him Steve BLAKER!!! Haha!!!

Re: Derek Fisher. Statistically its true he's only worth the 2.5 mil Buss is offering. But statistics don't win championships. If they did, Stockton and Malone would have won a few. So would LeBronze.

Heart is what wins championships. It's why a player with an injured finger on an off shooting night puts up 15 rebounds in game 7. It's why a player with a reputation as a head case puts up 20 points and locks down the best player from the other team in game 7. It's why a 7 footer with a reputation for softness toughens up when he's needed most. It's why another 7 footer drags a torn knee through 20 minutes to kick start his team. And its's why we're champions.

Derek Fisher is the heart and soul of the Lakers. Who rallied the team before the 4th quarter? With Kobe on an off night, who else would you have wanted shooting that game tying three? I don't care who has the best year round stats. Fisher leads. Fisher comes through in the clutch. And Fisher needs to be a Laker for life.

Pay the man. Let him coach the following year or whatever, but for this three-peat, pay the man.

Raja Bell? That's good news.
Way to go, Mitch!!!
Cheers.

Interesting interview with Fish from Friday, updated today by Ramona Shelburne ESPNLosAngeles.com.

http://sports.espn.go.com/los-angeles/nba/columns/story?id=5355999

A few snips:

Q: Offensively, your scoring has decreased each of the last three seasons. [Fisher averaged 11.7 points in 2007-08, 9.9 the next year and 7.5 this season]. Can you see why people would think you've dropped off a bit?

A: What those people don't understand is that what I had to do for our team to be successful when I first came back is a lot different than now. Now, we have one of the deepest teams in basketball. What some people will try to do is say that he's slowing down because his points per game went down each year and I'm saying, 'No, the Lakers got better each year so I didn't have to score as many points.''

If you have Ron Artest and Pau Gasol and Kobe Bryant and Andrew Bynum, how many points do you think we're going to score. I'm the most mature, most experienced person. I'm not worried about All-Star games or MVPs or bonuses in terms of individual accomplishments. But I understand my counterparts wanting to focus on those things. I understand why Andrew Bynum wants to be an All-Star. I get that. Lamar Odom wants to be an All Star. Kobe is an All Star with his eyes closed. Pau Gasol wants to be an All-Star.

So I'm on a team with four or five All-Star players, I don't have to score points. But, if necessary I can. There's no question about it.


Q: OK, back to the interview. Sorry, I'd always wanted to ask you about that. Does it hurt you at the trade deadline when you constantly hear whispers about the Lakers needing to upgrade at point guard? Or like now, when there is so much talk about free agents the Lakers could sign?

A: Nah, because I don't really get overly concerned with who can come in and do what I do better than me or replace me. You could try something different, but you cannot go out and find what I do, period. Regardless of what you try or who you try to get, it won't be the same. It might look different. It might even look better, depending on the packaging. But it won't be what I do.

Lakers interested in Celtics Tony Allen along with Bell, according to Yahoo sports.

I wonder what it would be like for a Laker or a Celtic to go to the other team with the history these two teams have, especially right after playing in the Finals.

Add me LEWSTRS bro. Derek Fisher come back and we can pursue Raja Bell, as an extra insurance sure-fire defender or similar-player, to back up Kobe or Ron Ron to give em rest. A deal with Derek should be reached Thursday night or sometime in the weekend after Steve gets introed in my opinion. Ah, the sweet smell of success. 4th of July, ron ron's urban incense smelling all the way down my street, fireworks, and back-to-back.

@ Art - FL Laker Fan:

Ask Rick Fox...

I wonder what it would be like for a Laker or a Celtic to go to the other team with the history these two teams have, especially right after playing in the Finals. Posted by: Art - FL Laker Fan | July 05, 2010 at 11:47 AM
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Hey Art, Ask Rick Fox, he might have a tale or two to tell.
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Heart is what wins championships. It's why a player with an injured finger on an off shooting night puts up 15 rebounds in game 7. It's why a player with a reputation as a head case puts up 20 points and locks down the best player from the other team in game 7. It's why a 7 footer with a reputation for softness toughens up when he's needed most. It's why another 7 footer drags a torn knee through 20 minutes to kick start his team. And its's why we're champions.
Derek Fisher is the heart and soul of the Lakers. Who rallied the team before the 4th quarter? With Kobe on an off night, who else would you have wanted shooting that game tying three? I don't care who has the best year round stats. Fisher leads. Fisher comes through in the clutch. And Fisher needs to be a Laker for life. Pay the man. Let him coach the following year or whatever, but for this three-peat, pay the man. Posted by: Jay Jay | July 05, 2010 at 11:20 AM
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I know I don't have to say this Jay Jay but...OUT FREAKIN STANDING SIR!

I LIKE FISHER TOO, VERY MUCH! BUT WHAT IF?


Blake is to Fisher as Artest was to Ariza and Mitch is Mitch.. I really think Blake is more of Fisher's replacement in terms of skills and character. So, the Lakers might be thinking now, we got our starting PG, we need a back up PG that was once Brown/Farmar's role and salary range? Salary given to Blake also closely matches Fisher more than Brown or Farmar.


Ariza was a big contributor in 09 playoffs and still entering his prime, Fisher same big contributor in Finals but already in his downside. So there goes the Fisher/Ariza analogy..


With Blake signed up, who is the back up PG? Is it Brown, Fisher or a new guy? What is the requirement for the back up PG?


Is Fisher willing to be delegated in the bench, as back up to a back role player?


What is the heart of STEVE BLAKE made up of, will he deliver like Fisher does in cruucial moments.

Lewstrs......... Keep that Fish caravan arolling.. Boy if we could sign Fish AND Raja Bell[I think he's a tough DUDE], imagine our bench? LO, Blake, Bell, Sasha and maybe Ebanks a Caracter will be good. Hope we get to see them in Summer League. Anybody sick of the charade with Bro,Wade and Bosh?

Is anyone else sick of the FA signings, especially LeBrick, Wade, and Bosh...

Who cares...The Lestern Conference will still be weak...

The Lakers will still be the team to beat, and the favorites to win it all again...

The poor media...What will they report about, to justify their jobs, once the LeChoke story ends...

Byron Scott...good for him to get the Cavs job...will this end the statement that, "He can't win the big one"...Unfortunately, I don't think so...

Sign Kwame Brown.

What do we play for? RINGS!!!

Lakers Today... Lakers Tomorrow... Lakers Forever.

GO LAKERS!!!

OOPs, I meant Bron!!!!!!!

Ummm... so there's nothing Kobe can do about his finger? That concerns me. A lot.

What do we play for? RINGS!!!

Lakers Today... Lakers Tomorrow... Lakers Forever.

GO LAKERS!!!

@NewMexicoLakerLifer:

LMAO Great minds think alike...

"Btw I have the crustiest toes in the history of toes" -- RONARTESTCOM

That makes me hungry just thinking about it.

Posted by: Fatty | July 05, 2010 at 11:17 AM

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EWW...NASTY...lol

LEWSTERS/ Mamba,

Yeah, good one, I forgot about Fox. So give me his email I'll ask him.
Should've invited him to the July 4th party.

I'm not worried about Fish going anywhere. He'll be signed in the next week or two. It's just like PJ - he and the Lakers need each other. Some gamesman-like negotiating, and we'll have our Fish back. He won't be a HOFer. He won't have his Jersey in the rafters. But he'll be an all-time Laker great for those of us who were there to witness all he's meant to the team.

I'm also not worried about an eastern super team. Lebron and Wade will stay put. Individually they want 1. Money, 2. Money, 3. Money, 4. Being the Man, 5. Winning. Playing together they can't really accomplish 1-4, and probably come up a little short on #5. Winning a championship takes real sacrifice, something neither of those two are willing to do. I watch the hoopla and hear nothing but ME ME ME from those dudes.

And Chris Bosh? Well, he's like a KG or Karl Malone lite. He could cut it being the 2 or 3 option on a team, but that fool wants max dollars too. He'll probably get it seeing the stupidity in the marketplace (Joe Johnson & Amare), but who's got a worthwhile sign and trade for Toronto? Chicago seems like the only logical choice, but they're not giving up any core pieces for a 2nd Tier star like Bosh, so will Toronto settle for Deng, Draft Picks, and or money for Bosh?

In any case, looks like an easy road to 3-peat especially if Boston loses Allen. Say what you will about dude, but he beat us single-handedly in game 2. If he didn't stink it up the rest of the series, there could've been some really unfortunate circumstances.

Jon K-

Wish Kwame on the Clippers, your other favorite team. He'll fit in perfectly over there. Snaq can join them. They'll need to do something with their cap space considering no marquee free agents are going there.

My guess is Sterling just sits on his cash anyway to settle some more discrimination lawsuits.

I'll take my chances with Caracter. Seems like he can catch a ball at least.

We all liked Ariza and we lost him, we found the heart of Ron Artests, who struggled the rest of the season but found a way in game 7.


HE said PHIL whispered to his ears don't shoot, don't shoot, and he shot. Call it heart or crazy! We won.


I don't want two point guards w/o experience in the triangle. Let's get Fish signed.
Or maybe we can pick up Pargo. Also we need a back up big man. Kwame, Powell, Turiaf and Mbenga all have experience in Phil's system. Where's AC Green, Ho Grant and John Salley when you need them?

The more I watch the FA saga unfold, the more it seems these dudes are just trying to raise their media profiles before signing with the teams offering the most money.

Blake may pol;aye better over the course of the season so that there are not as many crucial moments where Fish, sometimes shines. Nothing at all; against Derek as it's just father time working against him; he is not the defender he once was, he is not consistent enough in shooting, & at 5 Mil, he is no longer worth that, esp. when you see what other younger players are signing for.

And still can't believe there are those here that see LO in the Lakers plans for the nest few seasons! I told Mason & Ireland, before they signed him, that what Mitch offered & Buss would have paid for him was far too much for such an ionconsistent game he brings & it was no more apparent over the course of these playoffs! There is a reason he can't stay with a team!

Back to Fish; he left for more money, then came back & rightly so, for his daugther(thanks to God she is doing better) but hs is proof that greed is alive & well in the NBA & all of Sports! He has a great chance to play for a 3peat team, he knows that, but he would rather go to another team, with no chance for more money. And who can't live on 2.5 Mil ? Unles one is living far out of their means.

Here is a poll question for the blog:

WHO WOULD YOU RATHER JOIN THE LAKERS?

A. RAJA BELL

B. TONY ALLEN

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Me, I would go with Tony Allen all the way!!
Raja is old and barley played at all last year. Allen has proven to be a good defender and decent finisher in crunch time.

In fact, Mitch should be on the phone with his agent right now before some other team swoops him up.


this link was posted:

http://sports.espn.go.com/los-angeles/nba/columns/story?id=5355999

snippet:

Q: Offensively, your scoring has decreased each of the last three seasons. [Fisher averaged 11.7 points in 2007-08, 9.9 the next year and 7.5 this season]. Can you see why people would think you've dropped off a bit?

A: What those people don't understand is that what I had to do for our team to be successful when I first came back is a lot different than now. Now, we have one of the deepest teams in basketball. What some people will try to do is say that he's slowing down because his points per game went down each year and I'm saying, 'No, the Lakers got better each year so I didn't have to score as many points.''

If you have Ron Artest and Pau Gasol and Kobe Bryant and Andrew Bynum, how many points do you think we're going to score. I'm the most mature, most experienced person. I'm not worried about All-Star games or MVPs or bonuses in terms of individual accomplishments. But I understand my counterparts wanting to focus on those things. I understand why Andrew Bynum wants to be an All-Star. I get that. Lamar Odom wants to be an All Star. Kobe is an All Star with his eyes closed. Pau Gasol wants to be an All-Star.

So I'm on a team with four or five All-Star players, I don't have to score points. But, if necessary I can. There's no question about it.

my response:

I don't know that the decrease in % is validated by his statement. This will
be Buss' call and I look forward to seeing the offer he makes.

If Mitch is looking for Bell, that means Shannon Brown will probably be out...Sad, I love the guy.
But the truth is that we were expecting a bit more from UPS than he delivered...Sad again. The guy have potential.
What he needs to understand is that he plays in the same position as Kobe, and he's having the chance of a lifetime to LEARN from the MASTER how to be the best SG he can be. Well, he's been with the Lakers for 2 years, got 2 rings...I know, the pressure is gigantic. I'd like to keep him, but seems that he's not priority for us.
Sad...

Regarding Fish...C'mon, man..the same money as last season? You're 1 year older; just drop a little bit, let's say $6.2 mi instead of the $10 mi he wants, and everybody is happy. Maybe $8 mi/2 seasons?
I think both the Lakers and Fish needs to be reasonable here...
Cheers.

Good morning Lakerholics!

If Lakers get Raja Bell (fingers crossed) and sign a veteran big man for the minimum (Kwame? or Kurt Thomas?), the Lakers bench will include:

Steve Blake
Raja Bell
Sasha
Lamar
Kwame or Kurt

To put this bench in perspective, this bench is more talented than the starters during the Kobe/Smush era. Kwame and Lamar were starters back than. Blake is a major upgrade over Smush, and Raja is a major upgrade over Luke. This team has come a long way.

I'm going to predict that Gerald Green (who will play in the Lakers summer league) will make the team. He is every bit as athletic as Ariza, and unlike Ariza, Green entered the league with 3 point range. If Green can develop his outside shot, his defense and athleticism should be a big asset off the bench.

WHO WOULD YOU RATHER JOIN THE LAKERS?
A. RAJA BELL
B. TONY ALLEN


TONY allen hands down! Need a guy who puts the ball on the floor, slashes, atletic, lock down dfender, entering his prime. Bell is another Sasha/Fisher combo, fight instigator, shooter, dfends well, but slower, older!

Tony allen fits better with Blake and Sasha's skills! Bell's skills are already redundant with Blake and Sasha.

That's why Ebanks could see playing time, his skill set macthes a need in Lakers current roster.


Ebanks and Ariza are a better fit than Tony Allen for the Lakers. Allen is missing a jumpshot and long range especially.


LAKERS ROSTER TAKING SHAPE…
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One of the major goals of the Lakers this offseason was to improve the bench’s offensive consistency, especially its 3-point shooting, and defensive intensity and smarts. Using the remaining $1.8M of our MLE on Raja Bell would mean that the Lakers replaced Jordan Farmar and Shannon Brown, two inconsistent young guards with career 3-point shooting percentages in the mid-30’s and questionable defensive smarts with two veteran guards both of whom are career 40% 3-point shooters who possess better defensive skills and higher basketball IQ’s. Assuming we re-sign Fisher and then Bell, the Lakers would have accomplished rebuilding their backcourt.
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PG – Fisher, Blake
SG – Bryant, Vujacic, Bell
SF – Artest, Ebanks, Walton
PF – Gasol, Odom, Caracter
CE – Bynum, XXXX
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With 12 players under contract, the only area still needing attention would be a veteran or rookie backup as insurance in case Andrew Bynum gets injured again. Unfortunately, the options are not overwhelming since the backup center would rarely play unless Drew, Pau, or Lamar were injured and since the most the Lakers would have to offer would be their BAE, worth around $2.2M but limited to a 2-year contract. Rather than signing an over-the-hill big man like Shaquille O’Neal or Kwame Brown, the Lakers may opt to keep a young big man from their summer league team to be their 13th roster player and the one inactive player wearing a suit every night.
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TOM

Did you watch Tony Allen try and shoot during the finals? It was laughable! Brick city and not even close. Dude was terrrrrrrrible. Plus no Celtic slime allowed in LA any more.

Raja? Doubt there's anything left in that tank at this point either. Reminds me of the Aaron McKie signing.

So if I had to, I'd take Allen. But honestly, I'd just stick with Shannon given that he'd probably take a 3yr/9mil deal.

Laker Tom -
Does Shanon's opting out mean we can use the BAE again this year? I thought the deal with the BAE is you could only use it once every two years.

I was under the impression we only had the MLE and Vet's minimum deals to work with Free Agents this summer.

@Nemaia "Keep Derek Fisher and then sign Raja Bell."

Has Everyone Forgot the Clothes Lining Incident?

For Me, I'd Take Tony Allen. He's Younger, More Athletic, a Strong Defender & He Didn't Clothes Line Kobe!!!!!!
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Kurt Thomas or Kwame "Let Them Eat Cake" Brown?

For the limited minutes either would play, I'd take Kurt. Better Hands, Better Touch, & also as Strong a Defender as Kwame (even at his age).
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If Amare actually signs with the Knicks, then a healthy Drew makes his first of hopefully many All-Star teams.

Drew should've been the starting center last season since Amare ISN'T a Center, he's a friggin' PF!!!!!!

Although being a Laker isn't about being voted an All-Star (it's about the RINGS), this season at least 3 Lakers will be voted in as All-Stars (Kobe, Pau & Drew) &, with the mission being about DOMINANCE, I expect Phil to be coaching & at least one other Laker (Lamar or Ron-Ron) to be voted in by the coaches.
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GO LAKERS!!!!!! ONE, TWO, THREE-PEAT SQUARED!!!!!!

ONE, TWO, THREE, DOMINATE!!!!!!

I truly understand how Fish feel regarding making less money then Luke and Sasha. And now you bring in Blake, he'll need half the season if knot more time to learn the system. This shouldn't be rocket science to come to an agree of what his worth to the organization. Almost every GM on this blog has figured it out, 2 years first 4 mil, and second team option at 3.5. If the organization decide not to exercise option in year two, asst. coach.

Marc B-

I'll go out on a limb and predict Lamar will not make the All-Star team this year. It's been the one consistent thing in his career.

So I guess it's Ron-Ron!

"I MADE THE ALL STAR TEAM. I NEVER MAKE THE ALL STAR TEAM!"

HOW MANY RUMORS ABOUT LAKER DEALS HAVE BEEN TRUE?

ANYBODY? ANYBODY?

WAIT AND SEE. MITCH WILL MAKE THE DEALS NECESSARY & DR. BUSS WILL PONY UP, AS USUAL......
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GO LAKERS!!!!!! ONE, TWO, THREE-PEAT SQUARED!!!!!!

ONE, TWO, THREE, DOMINATE!!!!!!

"WHO WOULD YOU RATHER JOIN THE LAKERS?
A. RAJA BELL
B. TONY ALLEN"

RAJA RAJA RAJA! Let's compare the two:

- Outside shot - Raja hands down. With teams packing the paint and playing zone against the Lakers, outside shooting is an area the team would like to improve. Tony has no outside shot, and will give defenses even more reasons to pack the paint against the Lakers.

- Defense - Slight edge to Raja. Both are solid defenders. If Raja was in his prime, it wouldn't even be close, but due to his age, I'll give him only a slight edge over Tony. (Please note that Raja barely played last season due to a hand injury, his legs are just fine).

- Athleticism - Tony hands down. He is also the better slasher and better finisher on the break.

- Basketball IQ and Intangibles - Raja hands down. Tony's basketball IQ is on par with his outside shot. Celtics fans think he is a ball hog. He cannot be relied upon to make decisions with the ball. Raja, on the other hand, is a smart and crafty veteran, who will rarely force shots, and will find the open man.

CONCLUSION - RAJA

Kwane? Did I read that?
The guy is not a Lakers. Period.
And yes, I'd rather keep Shannon than signing Tony Allen, but...Is Shannon really asking for $9 mi/3 seasons?
If yes, then sign him up. But I'm not sure this is the number.
Cheers.

Almost every GM on this blog has figured it out, 2 years first 4 mil, and second team option at 3.5. If the organization decide not to exercise option in year two, asst. coach.

Posted by: 2Phatt | July 05, 2010 at 01:33 PM
That seems to be a common ground here, indeed.

Magic Phil-

I was just thinking that 3yrs/9mil was a fair offer, but if he's looking for MLE type money, he's barking up the wrong tree. I don't know if anyone is going to cough up that kind of money for someone that really doesn't do much well besides the occasional awe-inspiring act of athleticism.

But in this crazy market, someone may pay him 5 mil to occasionally excite the crowd. Still think he'd be better off in LA. Make it even 4 or 5 years, but any more than 3 million per is a stretch.

I don't see Mitch ever making another Luke type deal. At least Sasha was limited to three years making it seem brilliant by comparison.

Sasha, Blake, Kobe at the guard position with Odom doing a lot of ball handling as well..


What or who is the best FIT for another GUARD? Not considering Fisher and Brown as former Lakers, just what the LAKERS NEED?

STAPLES… I have to go with Raja Bell, primarily because he is a career 40% 3-point shooter whereas Tony Allen cannot hit the broadside of a barn. The fact that Kobe also respects and wants Bell is important. More than anything, we need a bench who can spread the floor and make the open 3-point shots that teams have to give us with the great offense of Kobe and our trio of bigs dominating the paint. Blake and Bell would be a huge upgrade offensively AND defensively over Farmar and Brown. Throw in a redeemed Sasha Vujacic once again hitting from outside and suddenly the Lakers 3-point shooting prowess has improved dramatically.
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JAY JAY … Jai, I have to congratulate you on what should be a RCOTD for your brilliant defense of Derek Fisher. Like Mitch Kupchak says about draftees, you can measure everything athletically about a player but you still need to somehow build a team with strong heart and character. When you watch and listen to the Lakers players in their interviews, what always comes across strongly is how very smart, articulate, and dedicated they are compared to their counterparts on other teams. You can teach basics and learn with experience but heart and character are something that players either have or do not have. To a man, the Lakers have shown it.
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JON K… I have to completely disagree on adding Kwame Brown to this team. I have never understood the nostalgia that some fans have for former Lakers players. When you look over the landscape of guys who left the Lakers, what stands out to me is the simple fact that with the one exception of Derek Fisher, every other former Laker have seen their careers go downhill after being cut or let go by the Lakers. This includes Kwame Brown, Vladimir Radmanovic, Ronny Turiaf, Kareem Rush, Javaris Crittenton, Maurice Evans, Tyrone Lue, Jannero Pargo, Brian Cook, Laron Profit, Coby Karl, Von Wafer, Caron Butler, and Trevor Ariza. You could even make an argument that Shaquille O’Neal was the only Laker to ever have any real success after the Lakers and that even that success was far subpar to what he displayed when he was a Laker. Just say NO to former Lakers.
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HTJ.. If we used our BAE on Shannon last year, that would mean we could not use it this year. Good point. You may be right since we used our MLE last year on Ron so that have meant that we used our BAE on Shannon and you cannot use it two years in a row. His opting out would make no difference. Good point. Thanks.
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TOM

If it is outside shooting that we need, why not try and bring in Anthony Morrow who is a great 3 point shooter or Mike Miller who is also. I think both of them are better than Brown,Bell,Allen.

Bynum, Gasol, Odom are all bigs that completes the rotation, with Caracter already can play both PF/C waiting in the sideline what or who is the best bench warmer big that will always come in ready to play upon called?


I wish we retain our F/A first than going for others, however that's part of negotiations, Lakers don't want to be caught empty handed. Everything will be resolved by next week when the marquee players make their decisions, the 2nd tier and 3rd would fall in place like dominoes and fall where the chips are. From the interview on BSPN LA, it appears that Fisher is not conceding on his receding abilities and speed, he is using his leadership talents as part of bargaining chip. If Mitch and JB have faint hearts with full of sentimenality they'd fall into it. Lakers F/O are also recalcitrant with their position and play with the waiting game. I also prefer Shannon to be re-signed, he should be thinking of his future with the Lakers than venture in another new team for few million difference. He is sitting in a gold mine ready to be explored, he has to excel first before he demands for more money and representation.

As I said earlier, after signing our own F/A's, we should explore young unknown talents all over the world who could help us in perimeter shooting. Supposing Fisher and/or Artest did not make those 3 pts. in the last quarter of the 7th game, where would the Lakers be? A runner up, isn't it? We should take care of that position. Raja Bell and Tony Allen maybe, but at what cost and for how long? They have known to be injury prone, are they ready to sit on the bench when they used to be starters? Are they hungry for Championship like Artest or malcontents aging talents? Let's focus on young untapped talents lurking around the Euro League, Summer League etc.

I don't care for either Bell or Allen...

I still think one of the rookies will pan out...

Then Mitch will find that last player, surprising everyone with who he is...

We have read here many times, "It's easy to spend when it's not your money...but we do not receive the profits either...

No matter what you say, this Laker team will finish in the black for 25 mil or more...

I'm sure Dr. Buss would rather make 25 mil and another championship, then making 40 mil and no championship...

I wonder what the Cavs netted for the 2009-2010 season...anyone know?

Tony Allen are we serious here?? This dude is a horrible shooter. What we need is a outside shooter. Allen is just a slasher and a good defender and that is it. Those are not our top priorities off the bench, knowing we have Sasha who I think is as good of a defender as Allen is and if slasher is what yal want than lets keep Brown. What we need is 3 point shooting. Bell would be a better option beceasue of his outside shot, but not sure if he is over the hill and if he is going to be the same as he was. Why not a young cat like Anthony Morrow who is a great 3 point shooter and was great for GS. He would provide the must needed scoring off the bench, and can grow to be even better.

Morrow will not take half the mid level.
Tony Allen is a better defender. We should get hi if we can't get Raja and if he will take the money we offer. Allen can also play the 3. Rookies are not going to help us defend our title. We need vets. If we ca get Shaq great, otherwise Kwame is an upgrade over Mbenga.

LakerTom:
Maurice Evans (started for a time), Jannero Pargo (started a few games), Von Wafer (was in the rotation), Caron Butler (All-Star) all did better after they left.

Jerry Buss has a net worth of 380 million, with 11 owners worth less than him...

The Lakers franchise is worth 584 million, second to the Knicks worth 613 mil, and in third the Bulls worth 503 million...

Interesting Michael Jordan's net worth is 525 million, and the owner of the Nets, Mikhail Prokhorovworth , is worth 19.5 billion...

But the richest owner, Paul Allen, the owners of the Blazers, has a net worth of 20 billion...no wonder they never complain about Greg Oden's salary...lol

htj,
I hear you, bro..but when I say "pay Shannon his $9mi/3 seasons" I have in mind that BEING A LAKERS IS NOT FOR EVERYONE.
I've been talking about that a lot here; you guys have no idea what it is to share the court with Kobe, Pau, Fish (hopefully), Bynum (not a big fan but...), etc...
Wearing that jersey is not easy, the jersey is HEAVY.
And Shannon already bled purple-n-gold; he knows how it is. 2 years, 2 rings, what a ride for this guy, huh? He recently became a father here in LA, it's clear he wants to stay on the same team.
Indeed, it's more like an investment; he needs to show some stuff, but to sign somebody else that will take 2-3 seasons to bleed purple-n-gold, I'd rather stick w/ UPS.
Hope you get my point.
Cheers.

"Raja Bell and Tony Allen maybe, but at what cost and for how long? They have known to be injury prone, are they ready to sit on the bench when they used to be starters? Are they hungry for Championship like Artest or malcontents aging talents? Let's focus on young untapped talents lurking around the Euro League, Summer League etc."


Another GORAN DRAGIC maybe somwhere?

Ariza/Devean George/Derek Fisher/Vlad Rad/Kareem Rush/Smush Parker/Kwamay Brown were exposed as role players after they left LA. You're not that good once you're off the team and you played well only because of Phil, the Lakers system and Kobe. Jordan Farmar will learn the hard way of not having a great player with you. Being with the current Lakers helped scrubs like Chucky Atkins/Smush Parker to have career high's even during the short rebuilding era.

As for "trying to develop young talent" that isn't the Lakers overall goal. They aren't thinking of the future they are trying to squeeze as much championships out of this current team. As much as a good coach B-Shaw could possibly be (or not be) the Lakers would either let him or hire Byron Scott immediately instead of waiting for Jackson if they were thinking about transitioning into the future. They know that this Kobe led squad is great to win more championshops that's why they are doing every possible thing to make sure they get the right fit for this team. One reason why (Note: ONE reason not saying it was *THE* reason) they got Artest instead of trying to haggle with Ariza's agent even though Trevor had the possible upside as the team's best defender since he was much younger than Ron (and possibly more consistent offensively). Instead of getting Jordan Farmar or Sasha Vujacic to get more minutes they got Blake who is more suited to the triangle as an outside playmaker (his defense isn't great though possibly better than Farmar's.....waiting for the day Laker fans are shouting at his defense....some are calling him a "great defender" already....) even though he is 30 years old. And they kept LO since he does so much ball handling even though he's getting on 31 and not likely to improve. The Lakers are trying to win as much championships as they can with this squad and this squad at the time being. When Jackson retires/KB and Pau getting on with their years it will be an end to an era of Laker basketball where they won 4 titles in 1 decade (2000/2001/2002/2009) and won the first of the 2010 era decade. How many more is how long can this team continue the streak but afterwards there WILL be a rebuilding era and many of the bandwagoners who came on board will jump off again.

Speaking of which there goes Staples17 doing the bandwagong thing again. First supporting Fisher yesterday now has no problem dumping him away for Tony Allen.

Hey guys we got a new post up

MM

I never thought Tony Parker would wear a different uniform other than the Spurs...

I'm not ready to give up on ShanWOW, hope he sees the light and sticks with the Lakers. I would rather stick with a homemade product, than gambling on a has been. The question about Shannon is he smart enough to understand the triangle and find a niche...

Overall, our core has stayed the same...I see big seasons for Bynumite and Artest...Now if LO can get more consistent, he made big strides last season, but faded in the playoffs...

I think we just need to protect HCA during the 82 game preseason, and we jell and peak right before the playoffs....

PJ has said he wants to go out with a boom, and be totally dominant the whole 82 practice games, and more so in the playoffs...

Could we be in store for one of the best seasons for the Lakers in their already rich history...could PJ be going for the best record ever...does PJ want to own the longest winning streak...winning 34 games in a row...mind boggling!

Is is October 27 yet...

Lakertom,


"STAPLES… I have to go with Raja Bell, primarily because he is a career 40% 3-point shooter whereas Tony Allen cannot hit the broadside of a barn. The fact that Kobe also respects and wants Bell is important. More than anything, we need a bench who can spread the floor and make the open 3-point shots that teams have to give us with the great offense of Kobe and our trio of bigs dominating the paint. Blake and Bell would be a huge upgrade offensively AND defensively over Farmar and Brown. Throw in a redeemed Sasha Vujacic once again hitting from outside and suddenly the Lakers 3-point shooting prowess has improved dramatically."


I agree. But, Bell has the same game as Blake and Sasha. Blake will start, Sasha off the bench. Kobe goes to the bench, Lakers does not have a slasher and athletic abilty.


I am not saying Tony Allen is the answer at GUARD POSITION, but between Bell and Allen I will take Allen's fit, youth and need.


Sasha is also in his contract extension, he will shoot the ball well, that is basically what Bell and Blake can do for you. But when Lakers are in need of SPEED, LOCK DOWN DFENDER, and can SLASH AND FINSH THE BASKET WITH AUTHORITY, they do not have that with BELL, SASHA AND BLAKE. EBANKS IS STILL A ROOKIE. LAKERS WILL NEED SOMEONE LIKE TONY ALLEN TO MIX IT UP in the paint and on fastbreak transition oppurtunities...

YES, shooting is number one priority this off-season. BUT YOU CAN"T HAVE TOO MUCH either, that you loose sight of your possible other weaknesses.


THIS IS WHY I LIKE TREVOR A LOT, because he brought both skills to the table and his long. Bell, Blake and Sasha are all the same skill set.


With Kobe, Blake and Sasha, I think you already have the perimeter shooting you need. UNLESS you do not trust them. Where is LENGTH, SPEED and QUICKNESS, ATTACKING THE RIM, GETTING FOULED, AND ONE? Tony Allen will give you easy baskets, it cant be all 3 pt shooting... need some flavor!


I would go with Raja Bell. Who has enough NERVE to clothes line Kobe? He's a defensive player and I do remember the Sun's players at that time could ALL hit those 3's, which we could use.All the team's now have 3 pt. shooters.

The better question of BELL OR ALLEN is TONY ALLEN or Shannon BROWN?


WIth Blake and Sasha already in place.


Allen and Brown is a better fit to the roster.


You loose Farmar and Brown at the same time, we loose our abilty to ATTACK THE RIM OFF THE DRIBBLE. BEll does not give you that.


So, the question should be TONY ALLEN OR SHANNON BROWN?


Gasol, KB, Bynum, Artest, Vujacic, Odom, Blake, Walton, and probably Ebanks and Caracter.

Fischer will resign, no doubt about it; Just the usual haggling which happened last year with Odom. Kobe needs Fischer. Not worried at all.

If you go through the list of all F/A, there's a lot of possibilites. We can't afford the more expensive ones, but we don't need to. Also, need to avoid signing those ex-Lakers from yesteryears except maybe Shaq, if he's willing to sign for the minimum. He doesn't need the money. He doesn't have to play lots of minutes. It would be nice if he can just be the cheerleader from the bench and just be supportive. Kobe and Shaq can get along--this will be the last hurrah for Phil and the team.

I'd sign any of those rich veterans who just want a ring and willing to sign for the minimum. Raja Bell is good since Kobe likes him. T-Mac is good; he doesn't have to play much. The season is long; Lots of minutes during the year; Kobe doesn't need to play maximum minutes. So does Gasol. PJ knows how to handle the egos of those rich guys. I'm sure they can still contribute.

Will even consider Z. Ilgauskas. The Lakers don't need him or Shaq to play lots of minutes. Those veteran rich guys will get their ring; they just need to behave, be supportive (not disruptive). They don't need the money. Just think about it.

I'm sure Mitch will find the right players for the right price. Blake came for the right price. I'm sure Mitch would have wanted the more talented ones, but can't afford them. Remember, PJ and the staff know how to incorporate the players' individual talents with the team.

Go Lakers! Will always cheer for the Lakers regardless of where I live at or move to.

Jon,
Where was the thing about Kobe's finger? Was it in one of the above links? I'm really curious, I've long wondered if he did too much damage by not letting it heal... the fact that he developed athritis in it is not good.

Amare for 100 Mil ? THIS is what is wrong w/ sports, contracts & agents! ANd just how soon does he think the Bricks will be in the Finals ? Yea, none too soon & it just shows the pure greed by these players!
People out of work, no health care, some have no shelter or food & water on a reg. basis & while that's not his, LB' DW, or KB's fault, they need to realize so much of the country are struggling, bad, just to make ends meet & these greedy narcissists need to take a step back & maybe not be out there, looking for the most money!
And all 4 sports have playuers that do this & I am getting sick & tired of it!
That said, Fish & L/O have to move on - neither is worth their money; what LO already makes & what Fish is asking for - sa i said earlier, his agent said he was seeking out a winner ? No, he is seeking out the most he can get as the Lakers have a legit shot for a 3 peat & all fish seems to care about is "how much can I make?"!

Amar'e isn't worth that max contract. It goes to show you that the Knicks will always be the Knicks. Throw a pile of money in the air and hope it takes you to the playoffs or worse not even make it to the playoffs. The Knicks are sadder and sadder every passing day. They would probably give ray allen or some other has-been high contracts to pair them with Amare or some Bs. Lebron should not do this. They have ZERO foresight. Bad management. Bad reputation. ZERO core. Overrated franchise at this point and time.

Altho' I hate any NY team, I had a lot of respect for the Knicks back in the day; Red Holzman, & what a team with Reed, Bradley, DeBusschere(sp?), "Clyde" & "The Pearl" ! But wow, what a mess they have become over the years.

Any chance we could somehow lure Lee away & have him play instead of LO ?!


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