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Caught in the Web: Detailing Derek Fisher's trip to Miami

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-- The Times' Mike Bresnahan and Broderick Turner report that the Miami Heat want Derek Fisher to be their starting point guard. But it remains unclear how much they could pay him.

-- The Times' Mark Heisler argues that as LeBron James has taken heat for "The Decision," Kobe Bryant's reputation has improved.

-- ESPN Los Angeles' Andy and Brian Kamenetzky talk about the "Super Team" in their latest podcast.

-- ESPN Los Angeles' Dave McMenamin and Ramona Shelburne report the Heat are willing to hold off other offers until Fisher makes a decision. They also report the Lakers have made a second offer to Fisher that's worth more than the one-year, $2.5-million offer that they originally proposed.

-- Fox Sports West's Matt Smith believes the Lakers are still the NBA title favorites.

-- The Daily News' Elliott Teaford reports that the Minnesota Timberwolves are also interested in Fisher.

-- The South Florida Sun Sentinel's Ira Winderman reports that "there is an expectation from all sides that Fisher will wind up back with the Lakers after this well-publicized dalliance, which likely will wind up as nothing more than a bid to drive up his value."

-- Forum Blue and Gold's Darius shares some thoughts on Summer League.

-- Silver Screen and Roll's DexterFishmore believes Fisher's meeting with Miami served as nothing more than a negotiating tactic.

Tweet of the Day: "Did Wade say the best trio ever? That would require, at minimum, for Bosh to be a Hall of Famer like Worthy Magic, Kareem" -- daldridgetnt (NBA TV's David Aldridge)

Reader Comment of the Day: "Miami is praying the Lakers blow Fishers free agency. They want him badly. He's one of their missing pieces, and know if they sign him, they weaken the Lakers as well. Kobe is demanding we keep Fisher and emphatically stating we MUST have him to win again. Nothing wrong with debating his worth. Wanting him to go is silly." -- Fatty

--Mark Medina

Follow the L.A. Times Lakers blog on Twitter: twitter.com/latmedina. E-mail the Lakers blog at mgmedin@gmail.com.

Photo: Free agent guard Derek Fisher met with Miami Heat team owner Micky Arison and team President Pat Riley at a posh South Beach hotel Saturday Credit: Ronald Martinez/Getty Images.

 
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Another Beautiful Day Begins for the 2010, 16 Time NBA Champions Lakers Nation!
Good Morning: Laker Nation & Laker Blog
Good Morning: Mari. G. The most beautiful thing in all of creation. Yes My Goodness YES!!
GoodMorning: Miami SuperTeam, AT THE END OF YOUR RAINBOW AWAITS THE 16 TIME NBA CHAMPION FREAKIN LA LAKERS!
@Dwade, Princess Jimmy, Chris Bosh, Have you decided which of you are going to be THE MAN! Oh sorry Princess Jimmy you're a Princess! Chris Bosh you got to grow some before you can be one. I guess that leaves DWade. You knock him down 7 times he gets up 8! WTF? Then knock him down 8 times!
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I shall now go on a stroll and meditate on the meaning of SuperTeams in History. All Failed miserably you know. The Dr.J, Doug Collins, George McGinnis one = o Titles. The 2004 Kobe, Shaq, Mailman & Glove = o Titles The Wilt, Elgin, Logo, = 0 Titles with * They won when Elgin left.
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So Be not afraid Laker Nation! Why?Cause...WE GOT THIS...So... BRING IT ON!!

Derek Fisher will be back as a Laker no doubt. The Miami Heat showed he is still valuable with his experience. It will be interesting how this thing plays out. Waiting for a Christmas Day meeting between the Lakers and the Heat.

Wuttup weekend crue!


Mamba24 - you are too sweet.


WHY is Fish not signed yet???? WHYYYYYYYYY???????????


FISH-COW still in full effect.


(Fish - Contract Omni Watch - the ultimate surf & turf).


Yup - I still need a drink....

Buss needs to come to a resolution with Fish and get this drama out of the press.....Fish is going nowhere! He knows it, Buss knows it, and we know it. There are other deals and FA's to make a move on this week. As mentioned on yesterday IMO Shaq for the right price and the right mindset could make the Lakers unbeatable even at 38. Also Sasha's expiring contract could be really valuable in a S&T for a guy like Hedo. Barnes, Bell, McGrady also solid considerations. This Fish fiasco has become stale sign the guy for 3.75-4 mil per and lets refortify the bench. Last years bench maxed itself out....get guys who could really give quality mins. to keep the starter fresh/healthy throughout the season. Ebanks and Character both showing potential ....Ebanks could fill the void for a Barnes type player at a 1 million $ savings.

Happy Sunday All...

So what can Stern and the league do if The 3 Mojitos tampered with the FA process...

Stern won't rock the boat of his princess...he wants a Mojito and his own cabana in South Beach...

I like the conclusion that Fish went to Miami to 'spy' on Riles and the Heat...

I am very pleased with what I've seen and heard about the 2 rookies...strangely funny how Ebanks looks and moves so much like Trevor...

I think Fish will sign by Tuesday..."I will keep my talents in beautiful So. Cal and the Los Angeles Lakers" and people will burn his jersey in Utah and Golden State...

LEWSTRS

LOL they may have to go to a local thrift store in Utah and G.S to find fish jersey's to burn.

The thing I can appreciate about all of this is that Fish is doing his business pretty quietly. Everybody else is speculating but Fish isn't one to air it out like that. And let's be serious, if you were a vet free agent looking at your last contract and 4 or 5 good teams were saying "let us just talk with you", wouldn't you be inclined to at least listen? It would be crazy for him to just hide away and not talk to anybody except the Lakers. And if I'm Rob Pelinka (who reps both Kobe and Fish btw), I'm telling my client, you ARE taking some meetings, period.

One more time:

Kobe-Wade, slight adv Lakers
Pau-Bosh, slight adv Lakers
Artest-James, adv Heat
Bynum-?, adv Lakers
Blake/Fish-?, even
Bench, slight adv Lakers
Jackson-Spoelestra(SP), adv Lakers

NUFF SAID!

Hi Justa,

I'll check into those tickets, ha, ha! Might need to be an Angels game unless we meet those Dodgers in the WS!

Good Morning Blog Fam,

First, I am very proud to say that I DID NOT watch that puke-fest Thursday night.

Second, super teams are not bought and manufactured, they are developed and nurtured. Good players can become great players under the tutelage of a superstar (and a great coaching staff and front office). This is how the Lakers do it.
Just because you think you got along great for a month in the Olympics doesn't mean it's going to be a cakewalk for a full six or seven months. Which one will be the first to have a hissy-fit?

By the way, I'm surprised LBJ didn't choose number seven since that's how many championships he promised (under his six year contract). Maroon.

Lass


One more time:

Kobe-Wade, slight adv Lakers
Pau-Bosh, slight adv Lakers
Artest-James, adv Heat
Bynum-?, adv Lakers
Blake/Fish-?, even
Bench, slight adv Lakers
Jackson-Spoelestra(SP), adv Lakers

NUFF SAID! Posted by: D(erek)J(eter) | July 11, 2010 at 12:13 PM
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I think that about sums it all up DJ. WE GOT THIS...BRING IT ON!!!!

No prob with the "King of No Rings" going to Miami, but THE WAY was extremely cruel and disrespectful to the Cleveland fans and city that adored him.
But come on, didn't we all know who he REALLY was all along?!

I think the meeting with Pat Riley for Derek Fisher was taken by the Miami Heat to keep one of the classiest people in the NBA from getting low-balled by the only team they want to play for and helped win 5 championships. I think the remaining ~3.6M for Miami would be better spent on guys like Udonis Haslem (who is the Heat's Derek Fisher) and Raja Bell. The Heat don't absolutely need a point guard since James can handle that role. Fisher's leadership is unquestionable, but I think it matters more to the Lakers, especially since he knows he has Kobe's support in that locker room. He's going to be walking into a locker room of new egos with a bunch of guys that are better friends with each other, and I don't think he'll have that same confidence as he has in the Lakers locker room.

DJ - an Angels game would do but you'd have to include the snacks.

Lass - I can't think about the Labron-a-thon without puking in my mouth a little. I can't believe I wasted even one minute of my life on that. Oh well - history was made - although not in the way the princess had hoped! That's fo shizzle. SO VERY HAPPY to be a Laker fan.

Justa,

Perhaps I can toss you some sunflower seeds from the dugout, ha, ha!

Good morning, Lass & Justa!
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@Justa, hold DJ to those tickets! lol. And just for your information I am always sweet, you just never take the trouble to look! Just playing with you Justa don't curse me out now! :-)
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@Lass, The big day is closing right in there for you & The Lad, Lewstrs got to have a Bandwagon for you all closer to the date. I hope The Lad realizes what a treasure he is getting!
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mamba24/larrY
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Oh well - history was made - although not in the way the princess had hoped! That's fo shizzle. SO VERY HAPPY to be a Laker fan.

Posted by: justanothermambafan | July 11, 2010 at 12:23 PM


Have to admit, I'm really enjoying the backlash. Finally, after years of LaGone being rammed down our throats by the unholy triumvirate that is Darth Stern, LBJ and BSPN, others are finally starting to see what most of us Laker fans knew all along. Yessssssss.

Word From The Eastern Front:


So, I just got off the phone with my father and he told me that a beat reporter with the Akron Beacon Journal has gotten evidence that LeBron, Dwayne, and Bosh have been working on this move for three years.


Reportedly Riley even met with LeBron during this year's playoffs and told him that this move could be made. In addition in an televisded interview in Miami Bosh let out that the three of them had made their decision "months ago" and then when questioned nervously reversed his statement to "days ago."


In short, there is strong evidence that LeBron may have (at least subconsciously) thrown the Celtics/Cavs series.


More tidbits: It was revealed that the Cavs paid LeBron's entire possee as staff and now the Heat have all taken upon LeBron's small tribe of hoodrats as full-time "employees."


Also, it HAD BEEN revealed that Delonte West was to be cut from the team, well, now that LeBron is in Miami that the Cavs are going to retain Delonte West, what an odd stroke of curiousity, huh? I wonder why. Hmmm...


So, in summary, there has been LOADS of tampering in this ordeal. LOADS OF IT. And the whole time the Cavs and the extremely loyal (if also disgustingly immature) fans of Cleveland have been made stooges through it.


Not cool.


What do we play for? RINGS!!!


Lakers Today... Lakers Tomorrow... Lakers Forever.


GO LAKERS!!!!

Awwww MambaLuv, you are too sweet. *blushing*
In fact, we were just going over some details this morning.

By the way, how and why is it that you keep appearing and disappearing in my facebook life?

Lass

@Undercover Agent Jon K. OUT FREAKIN STANDING, reporting my brother.
mamba24/larry

Hello Laker Nation!


Back to all things Lakers...


1. We've got to sign Fisher. We have to. We just have to.


2. I was able to watch a repeat of the Summer League game against Denver before falling asleep. I liked what I saw from Ebanks and Caracter! Particularly Ebanks! Ebanks looked like Trevor Ariza. It was uncanny.


3. Coby Karl was on the Nuggets' team. I've got a soft place in my heart for the kid, but he tried to force things too much and he made an embarassing amount of turnovers. Too bad. I had hopes for the kid.

4. Any word on Raja Bell? What's happening?


What do we play for? RINGS!!!


Lakers Today... Lakers Tomorrow... Lakers Forever.


GO LAKERS!!!

GO NEDERLANDS!!!


What do we play for? RINGS!!!


Lakers Today... Lakers Tomorrow... Lakers Forever.


GO LAKERS!!!

Hey there Jon K.

It looks like your move back to Cali has been a seemless one. Glad you made it back. Also glad to see our undercover agent still has sources back in Ohio.

Lass

I got into it with a good friend who was a Cavs fan yesterday...Now I realized he is just a Lebron fan...

Typical, he is blinded with his 'princess adoration' that he did not see any wrong done by his highness...

Sad, but this is what the new NBA fan is all about...No sense of history, tradition or player etiquette...Is it because fans of other teams have no blueprint on fanhood...

Why is it the best fans come from teams with a history of winning...Hate to say it, but Boston fans know how to represent...(even though, I hate them)...and Spurs and Bulls fans seem to know what it is all about...Laker fans, well we set the standard...

Here is a post from a good friend, from another thread:

Lakers4Life3242 - The Wizard of Oz - starring Lebron James

LeBron James as the Tin Man (no heart)
Lebron James as the Cowardly Lion (no courage)
Lebron James as the Scarecrow (no brain)
Lebron James as Dorothy (no balls)

(No need for other actors........It's ALL about him)

The funny thing, Lebron fans will see this and have no problem with it...

LeKing can do no wrong...

DJ - toss me some sunflower seeds from the dugout???? What am I - two years old???? NO NO NO my brother - it's SNACKS - with the capital S - you know.... hotdogs, popcorn, peanuts, beer, vodka.... the whole 9 yards. (And you know that even this is letting you off cheap. I know what the menu is over at Angel Stadium - you're getting off easy, my man). PLUS - I want the W. Now just run along and do as you're told - don't try to play me son. I'm on to you.


HAHAHAHAHAHAHAA!!!! :)

Jon K - I really appreciate the inside reports coming from Cleveland...

It is nice to get a source close to the beat of the city...

Great work bruh...

Jon K - I am also happy you're back but still have your sources. I'm just waiting to hear that Delonte had an "accident" and that Pat Riley has a new salad dressing coming out - "Oil" - no vinegar. Freaking snake.

and that Pat Riley has a new salad dressing coming out - "Oil" - no vinegar. Freaking snake. Posted by: justanothermambafan | July 11, 2010 at 12:52 PM
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HEY!!!! You are talking about a 6 time Title winning Laker Legend & Icon!! We will
have none of that here missy!!!

Sorry, Mamba24 - but if Riles was involved in this colluding MESS then I'm disowning him. That's just the way it's gonna be. And that's all I have to say about that.

justanothermambafan,

Sometimes .... the way you post reminds me of Lucy Liu in "Payback".

:)

By the way, how and why is it that you keep appearing and disappearing in my facebook life? Posted by: LakerLass | July 11, 2010 at 12:34 PM
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Oh i forgot to answer your question Lass. I just put up the Face book Page for the most beautiful thing in all creation Mari. G. to see. But she cares not to look at it so I took it down. Now I must go get a Vodka and drown my sorrows! OH THE HUMANITY!!!

Everyone please stop hyperventilating about Fish. He's not going anywhere. This has been a very clever negotiating ploy with one and only one objective: get a better offer from Dr. Buss. And apparently, it's already working. Fish knew he couldn't bluff Buss on his own. He needed a real leveraging event to make Buss raise the ante, and luckily for Fish, the ONLY real threat Buss could see to his lowball offer happened: the Three Blings. FYI, the Heat really have zero interest in Fisher. What Riley was after all along was just to help Fish get more money, not because he loves Fish, but because he wants the Lakers to have less money to get anyone who could really hurt them (like Raja Bell, e.g.). So relax, this kabuki dance is almost over.

Bottom line...Fish was ticked that the Lakers paid Blake more than they were offering to him. He probably wants at least the same as Blake per year, but will settle for a little less, say $3.5 or $3.7...MAYBE for 2 years. Either way, he'll be back.

sup hobbit - never saw that movie, so I guess I'll just say.... thanks?

DJ,

I think Mike Miller could possibly start at SG (with Lebron and Wade handling the PG duties). Also, based on recent history, you have to take into account Bynum's injury factor, so the revised matchups are as f0llows:

PG - Wade/Fish - Advantage Heat
SG - Miller/Kobe - Advantage Lakers
SF - Lebron/Artest - Advantage Heat
PF - Bosh/Gasol - Even
C - ??/Injured Bynum - Even
Bench - not applicable until rosters are filled out
Coach - Advantage Lakers

It's very close. Bynum's health will be a key factor in which team will have the advantage.

I just put up the Face book Page for the most beautiful thing in all creation Mari. G. to see. But she cares not to look at it so I took it down.
Posted by: mamba24 | July 11, 2010 at 01:09 PM


But, durn it all, I still appreciate being able to communicate with you outside the blog. Hrmph.

Justanothermambafan,

You're not a Mel Gibson fan? I'm shocked. :)

You should rent it. I liked it.

Dan Gilbert may win six man of the year for Lakers if he is willing to do a S&T sending Shaq to the Lakers for Shannon Brown or Sasha's expiring contract....He would be glad to oblige....this way Shaq could make btwn 4-5 mil per on a 2 year deal....This would appease the Clev. brass seeing the Lake Show punish the heat front line should they make the finals

Is anybody, besides me, intrigued by the financial dickering b/n Fish &
the Lakers?

Enjoy the game,

Why would Dr. Buss sign Shaq after how they split?

But, durn it all, I still appreciate being able to communicate with you outside the blog. Hrmph. Posted by: Laker Lass | July 11, 2010 at 01:16 PM
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Lass you are the best. Is there any wonder why you were my first virtual love.
Dammmn! That Lad is one lucky guy! lol! You know Mari. G. could learn a lot from you my Laker Lass. I'll probably put it back up next week. But enough of this crap, this is a Lakers Blog!

hobbit - hubba, hubba, hubba lol...

Lucy Liu was great in that movie...

But enough of this crap, this is a Lakers Blog!
Posted by: mamba24 | July 11, 2010 at 01:27 PM


Too true. And we are all the better for it.

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Enjoy the game,
Why would Dr. Buss sign Shaq after how they split?
Posted by: hobbitmage | July 11, 2010 at 01:26 PM

Hobbit, I absolutely agree. No matter how contrite Shaq may try to be, Buss will not bring him back. You don't "F" with Buss like that.

Lewsters,

Yes she was! hubba hubba!

"Hey! Let the lady work."

So I have to admit that I'm torn about the WC.

Shaq IMO has been humbled and Dr. Buss would be willing to forgive a slight if it is sincere (even Kobe called him an idiot at one pt.) .....There are only 3 teams as of now who can win it all Lakers, Celtics, Heat.....Bynum's health is always a ??? Shaq could play 20-25mins a night the keep Pau and Drew healthy and fresh...the Celts pickup JO....the Heat will have no cash....the Lakers could work out a deal with Dan Gilbert just to see LBJ crash and burn....A front line of Pau, Drew and Shaq would be the most Physically imposing front line by far in the league....Kobe would be the unquestioned leader/best player on team....he could get shaq 2 rings while winning 2 finals MVP'S ...giving Kobe a total of 7 rings (4 finals MVP's) Shaq 6 rings(3 Finals MVP's) Pau 4 rings,etc. (Kobe and Pau could end up with more but a 4 peat would definitely be possible)....

Back to the argument with my friend, the Lebron fan...

In defending the King, he said Kobe would have done the same thing if he was in that situation...

I disagree...Kobe would not want to win a ring that way...

Congrats Pau Gasol...Spain World Cup Champs...

LEWSTRS/Justanothermamba,


1. Reportedly Riley actually sat down and had lunch with LeBron DURING THE FRICKEN PLAYOFFS and said, "We can make this work, LeBron. Think of the possibilities. Think of the all the hot chicks in South Beach." [I made up the dialog but not the substance of it.] Didn't Mark Cuban get fined for tampering just by making an innocuous comment, but Pat Riley can sit down and plot DURING THE FRICKEN PLAYOFFS?!?!? How is that okay?


2. As my father said, "The big winner in all of this is Kobe. He stook by his team during hard times, didn't bolt, and took his team to a Championship. He's the only one who doesn't look like a scumbag in this."


3. I wish I could effectively communicate how much the Cleveland Area worshipped LeBron James and by that I mean loved and adored this guy unconditionally. They finally found among one of them a "Champion" (though only a Champion in their minds) and he not only turned his back on them, he LITERALLY betrayed them. Scumbag.


I hope Dan Gilbert is right and the Cavs win a Championship before LeZero does.


What do we play for? RINGS!!!


Lakers Today... Lakers Tomorrow... Lakers Forever.


GO LAKERS!!!

By the way, it is SO good to be home.

What do we play for? RINGS!!!

Lakers Today... Lakers Tomorrow... Lakers Forever.

GO LAKERS!!!

By the way, it is SO good to be home.

What do we play for? RINGS!!!

Lakers Today... Lakers Tomorrow... Lakers Forever.

GO LAKERS!!!

What do you folks think of Ibrahim Jaaber...

He has caught my attention...6.5 pts, 6 ast, 1.5 stl, so far in 2 games...

I think he has an outside shot of making the team...

Enjoythegame,

you indicated that Shaq could play 20-25 minutes a game.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/o/onealsh01.html

Shaq has never made it through 82 games in his *career*!

Take a serious look at the above link and then think about Shaq playing
20-25 minutes per game.

Along those same lines, why would *ANY* Laker want to do Shaq a favor?

DJ…What ever did happen to Joba? Here is your revised lineup:
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One more time:
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Kobe-Wade, slight adv Lakers
Pau-Bosh, slight adv Lakers
Artest-James, adv Heat
Bynum-?, adv Lakers
Collison-Fish-?, adv Lakers
Bench, slight adv Lakers
Jackson-Spoelestra(SP), adv Lakers
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Lakers edge everywhere but Artest-James.
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NUFF SAID!
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TOM

"I watch all the teams and what they did for LeBron, and [the Heat] still have to go through the Lakers with Kobe Bryant out there, who’s been my favorite player for a long time,’’ said Pacers president Larry Bird. "And I don’t think whatever they do in the East is really going to concern him that much.’’

http://www.boston.com/sports/basketball/articles/2010/07/11/heats_competitors_warm_to_the_challenge/

hobbitmage

I was speaking in approximation....even if he played in 60 games he would still be more useful than Adam Morrison's 5 million on the books the last couple of years.....This would be a move to keep Pau from being over used as he was the last two seasons. Granted the Lakers got away with it but the Boston and Miami have both improved their rosters. They would do Shaq a favor b/c he was significant in the last 3 peat...He is a jerk most of the time true but these are his twilight years...and no matter what the Lakers will retire his jersey ....If Kobe and Phil can forgive than I think it could also happen w/ Shaq...I know Fish would be all for it as he often still speaks w/ great appreciation and respect for battling w/ the diesel

BUSS GOES ALL IN !!!
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This just in from Lakers headquarters. The Lakers have scheduled a 1-hour live news special for noon tomorrow on ESPN, when they will announce a major trade with the New Orleans Hornets to acquire second year point guard Darren Collison and veteran center/power forward Emeka Okafor in return for enigmatic power forward Lamar Odom and veteran small forward Luke Walton.
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Speaking about the trade, Lakers general manager Mitch Kupchak denied that the move was in any way a response to the Heat’s signing of the Three Kings. “We just think Darren Collison has the raw talent and solid potential to be an all-NBA player and defender at point guard and we could not pass up an opportunity to get a player we think will be our starting point guard for the next ten years.
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Lakers owner Jerry Buss chimed in with the following comment. “We hate to let Lamar go but we couldn’t pass up the chance to get Darren Collison. We believe he is Rajon Rondo with a jump shot, an all-pro defender who shoots over 40% from beyond the arc and 90% from the free throw line. The trade was a rare opportunity to get a once-in-a-decade player and make our team better defensively.”
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The Hornets were willing to give up Collison because the Lakers were also willing to take Okafor’s 4-year $52M contract because it will save them $23M over the next 4 years. Financially, the Lakers will get the starting point guard they desperately needed without trading any of their top four players and with only a $600K increase in their total salaries for the next two years, although they will have now committed to continue their current level of salary for the third and fourth years of Okafor’s contract.
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TOM

ouchhh,

So Bird, who has 3 rings, loves Kobe's game.
Magic, who has 5 rings, says Kobe is the best player in the league.
Jordan, who has 6 rings, says Kobe is better than Lebron.
And Barkley, with ZERO rings, continues to hate on Kobe, but loves Lebron's game.
I see a pattern.

Aloha Laker Truth

I agree that Bynum's health will be key but not just Andrew but the entire team. But I do disagree a little on your break down. From everything I read, Wade will not be starting at the point. Like Kobe he is more effective at the two. I have read that if they can not find a PG guard to play for the minimum they will start Chambers. If so

Fisher/Blake vs Chambers/scrub- advantage Lakers

Kobe vs Wade. I still like Kobe more because of defense slight advantage Lakers

Labron vs Artest. Ron is tougher then Labron and will beat on him and make him earn everything he gets, still Advantage Heat

Pau vs Bosh. Pau is now considered the best Power forward in the game. Dirk will continue to grab the fan all star voting because of scoring but all the coaches and commentators now think Pau is the best. Bosh really is SOFTER then Pau and plays outside much more then in. Advantage Lakers.

Bynum vs ? There is absolutely no one that Miami can sign at 1.4 mil that can play Andrew straight up. He will crush any of the available guys. Huge advantage Lakers.

Now you mentioned injury. If Andrew is hurt, remember Pau slides over to Center and now that huge advantae belongs to Pau. Lamar comes in at PF. This of course shifts an advantage to Bosh however a slight one. And if Lamar is on his game that advantage can actually shift to the Lakers. We all know that Lamar is the x factor. When motivated, there are not to many power forwards as good.

As far as the bench is concerned. When you consider the Lakers 2nd unit will have either Pau or Andrew on the court, Lamar and Blake vs Miller and a collection of minimum salary scrubs advantage Lakers.

I really feel that Miami is at least a year away from being a serious contender. They have too many holes to plug. They will have a difficult time getting out of the east the first year. They will challange in 2011/12 and perhaps win in 2012/13.

MH

I guess everyone forgot how kobe cried and acted like the prima donna that he is just a few years ago. Before gasol was practically given to the lakers crybaby kobe threatened to leave..so don't bash lebron. I see the faker nation getn nervous as. U should be. Luckily kendrick Perkins went out game 7 last season

I WISH WE WERE ABLE TO GET DARREN COLLISON TOO!!! HE WOULD BE AMAZING AND SECURE A FUTURE.

The Heart of the Matter: The Fisher Free Agency
There is no doubt that both parties have respect and desire to have Fish stay in Laker uniform. It is evident from Laker management that they wanted Fish back, however there are issues preventing signing Fish for the amount he wanted. We all know Dr Buss is making a lot of sacrifices shedding out bulk of money to put a team that is competetive. To keep this kind of special players we have right now is not an easy task, free agency is business plain and simple. But I still believe there are still players out there who value loyalty. Is Fish being short change by Laker management knowing he is a vital cog in this team? I do not think so, I believe the constraints of salary cap is the cause for the delay of signing Fish. Trading some of the players to get a decent leverage for salary cap would matter but what team would like to gamble on that considering there are lot of talented players in the market that cost cheaper?
The FISHING EXPEDITION Fisher made to Miami was a ploy to send message to Buss family, will it reap good benefits? Hopefully yes! In my own opinion Fish also knows he cannot have his minutes in Miami compared in LA, Wade, James and Wiiliams ( still in progress) can handle that job. How about with other team can he be productive also? No one acatually knows, my concern is, what if Buss do not succumb to pressure? What would be the next agenda or plan? The Laker still need to sign up several player to complete the roster and that's another added money. My prayer and hope is that Fish and the management would agree on a REASONABLE AND COMPETETIVE bargain not only for thie season but also for FISH future, perhaps as an assistant coach. It is not easy to build and keep a team that is shooting for "3", especially that teams right now are trying to catch up the Lakers....but let us hope for the better....dignity and class act should also be a part in this matter.


OH YEAH FAKER NATION THING THING YOU SEEM TO NOT MENTION IS THAT KOBE DIDN"T LEAVE HE IS STILL HERE... OH YEAH AND LEBRON HAD A BETTER TEAM AROUND HIM THEN KOBE DID. CAN"T WAIT TO SEE THE HEAT LOOSE THIS YEAR.

My prayer and hope is that Fish and the management would agree on a REASONABLE AND COMPETETIVE bargain not only for thie season but also for FISH future, perhaps as an assistant coach. It is not easy to build and keep a team that is shooting for "3", especially that teams right now are trying to catch up the Lakers....but let us hope for the better....dignity and class act should also be a part in this matter.Posted by: apollo c. vermont | July 11, 2010 at 02:58 PM

I have to say it...OUT FREAKIN STANING SIR!!!!!
mamba24/larrY

faker-nation..........................At least Kobe was willing to speak up and get better players around him so he could stay LOYAL to his team.. unlike LaFake who has to ride the coat tails of DWade.. What a WUSS he turned out to be.Ouchhhhhhhh! Loved that article. The old time players RESPECT KOBE and his game. A lot of the young player are PRIMA DONA'S.!!! Princess Jimmy will never be compared to KOBE again. THERE IS NO COMPARISON

. The old time players RESPECT KOBE and his game. A lot of the young player are PRIMA DONA'S.!!! Princess Jimmy will never be compared to KOBE again. THERE IS NO COMPARISON Posted by: NewMexicoLakerLifer | July 11, 2010 at 03:02 PM
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Damnnn! 2 in a row!...OUT FREAKIN STANDING!!!!!
mamba24/larrY

@Michael H, Great post my brother!
mamba24/larrY

Thanks Mamba24, appreciate that!!

-- ESPN Los Angeles' Dave McMenamin and Ramona Shelburne report the Heat are willing to hold off other offers until Fisher makes a decision.
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There's your answer right there folks. Fish is a decoy keeping Miami occupied while the other clubs grap the descent cheap players. Before they know what hits them the good players will be gone & Fish will be back signed sealed & delievered with the Lakers. True genius, Lakers front Office & Fish!
For that alone Fish desrerves 5 mill.
Mamba24/larrY

Football: SPAIN WINS WORLD CHAMPIONSHIP AT SOUTHAFRICA.

Something to say Mr. Ouchhhhhhhhhhh??

Aloha Mamba 24

Mahalo. With all the hype people forget that you need some depth in the NBA to win. The Lakers had an injury ladden season last year and still won it all because of depth. If we are fortunate enough to play healthy in the playoffs next year, no one, not even the 3 myEgo's can touch us.


MH

Wow Spain is on a sports roll right now. Apparently both Nadal and Gasol were there.

With likely Kobe and many others out in 2012, could it be Spain's turn in basketball then?

You know Mamba24, I think you're right I just can't see Fish turning his back on the Laker's. They have been thru too much together to go to the much hated heat. Now we'll have to say, MIAMI SUCKS! MIAMI SUCKS! MIAMISUCKS!! GEEZ can't wait to get this season going.

@LakerLass,Ok Lass just for you I put my Facebook Page back up. I never did get around to filling out all the info, I guess I'll do that next week. As for
Mari. G. The most beautiful thing in all of creation, I blocked her out! Lol!
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mamba24/larrY

LAKERS-PLEASE RESIGN DEREK FISHER

You know Mamba24, I think you're right I just can't see Fish turning his back on the Laker's. They have been thru too much together to go to the much hated heat. Now we'll have to say, MIAMI SUCKS! MIAMI SUCKS! MIAMISUCKS!! GEEZ can't wait to get this season going. Posted by: NewMexicoLakerLifer | July 11, 2010 at 03:30 PM
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Yeah, LakerLifer I mean if it came right down to it I'm sure there would be some sleight of hand dealings in which Kobe would give a couple of million of his pay to Dr. Buss under the table to pay Fish with. Happens all the time. Michael Jordan supposedly the Star of the NBA was the 50th best paid player until his last 3 years with the Bulls. You think the NBA, The Bulls & Nike didn't find a way around that? Come Onnnnnn wink wink LOL!
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mamba24/larrY

Wow Spain is on a sports roll right now. Apparently both Nadal and Gasol were there. With likely Kobe and many others out in 2012, could it be Spain's turn in basketball then?Posted by: Scott | July 11, 2010 at 03:30 PM
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Nadal rules! Fedora is thru! USA probably will still win again, just because Kobe showed them how! Lol!


Hey Everyone! OK, I'm starting to get an even stronger handle on the Salary Cap Exceptions & How they Apply to Our Beloved Lakers Quest for Free Agents.

(CAVEAT: Please correct me if I misinterpret something. Also, I've done my best trying to confirm these minimum & maximum numbers. Obviously, a lot of the data on the web can be pure speculation. One site I found http://members.cox.net/lmcoon/salarycap.htm#Q25 had excellent descriptions of these exceptions plus a table for minimum and maximum salaries per year. I ultimately ended up using this data. SO PLEASE TAKE THE SALARY DATA WITH A GRAIN OF SALT… I then drafted the following with regards to how these exceptions apply to the Lakers.)

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LARRY BIRD EXCEPTION: Lakers can sign any of it's own free agents that previously played for them at least 3 consecutive seasons (or, if traded, three consecutive years total under the same contract). They can sign these players for 1 year minimum up to 6 year maximum contracts. Each player can be signed up to the Max Salary for their years in the league & receive Maximum Raises of 10.5% for subsequent years of contract. Available so long as the player's Bird Rights weren't renounced by the Lakers.

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Current Players with Bird Rights:

Fisher--Can be signed, as 10+ Year Player, from the Minimum ($1,352,181) up to Max ($19,045,250) for 1-5 Years (with 10.5% increases per year). Limitation: Luxury Tax still applies.

S. Brown--Traded players retain their Bird Rights. Shannon Opted Out & Therefore, I Believe that the Lakers still retain his Bird Rights (since they didn't renounce him; it would've been the other way around if they had an opt out clause). Can be signed, as a 4 Year Player, from the Minimum ($915,852) up to Max ($13,603,750) for 1-5 Years (with 10.5% increases per year). Limitation: Luxury Tax still applies.

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Current Players without Bird Rights:

Farmar--Doesn't Qualify. Bird Rights were Renounced when Lakers didn't make a qualifying offer to him as a restricted free agent.

Morrisson--Doesn't Qualify. Bird Rights were Renounced when Lakers didn't make a qualifying offer to him as a restricted free agent.

MBenga--Doesn't Qualify since he was waived, not traded by the Warriors in Jan. '08.

J. Powell--Doesn't Qualify since he has only been under contract with Lakers for two seasons (originally signed as a free agent).

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EARLY BIRD EXCEPTION: Lakers can sign any of it's own free agents that previously played for them at least 2 consecutive seasons. They can sign these players for 2 year minimum up to 5 year maximum contracts. Each player can be signed up to 175% of previous salary or the average player salary ($5,765,000), whichever is greater, & receive Maximum Raises of 10.5% for subsequent years of contract. Available so long as the player's Bird Rights weren't renounced.

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Current Players with Early Bird Rights:

MBenga--Lakers can pay him, as a 6 Year Player, from the Minimum ($1,069,509) up to 175% of last years contract ($959,111 x 175% = $1,678.44) or the average player salary ($5,765,000), whichever is greater, for 2-5 years (with 10.5% increases per year). Limitation: Luxury Tax still applies.

J. Powell--Lakers can pay him, as a 6 Year Player,from the Minimum ($1,069,509) up to 175% of last years contract ($959,111 x 175% = $1,678.44) or the average player salary ($5,765,000), whichever is greater, for 2-5 years (with 10.5% increases per year). Limitation: Luxury Tax still applies.

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NON-BIRD EXCEPTION: Laker Free Agents, that don't qualify for the Larry Bird or Early Bird Exceptions, may be resigned to 1 year minimum up to 5 year maximum contracts. Each player can be signed up to 120% of their previous salary, 120% of the minimum salary for their years in the league or the amount of the restricted free agent's qualifying offer (whichever is greater). Maximum raises are 8% per year.

NOTE: Unsure if Non-Bird Exception is considered renounced if a restricted free agent is not tendered a qualifying offer. I would think that the Lakers gave up the Non-Bird Exception with regard to Farmar & Morrison. Anybody?

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Current Players with Non-Bird Rights: MOST PROBABLY NONE.

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BI-ANNUAL EXCEPTION: Lakers can sign any non-Laker free agent(s) for a 1 year minimum up to 2 year maximum contract(s). The exception can be split and totals $2,080,000 for the 2010-2011 season. Maximum Raise of 8% for second year of contract. Available to the Lakers once in a two year period.

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Unsure if this Exception was Used Last Year. If it wasn't, then this exception could be used to sign a Ibrahim Jaabar (Unlikely--He'll probably get better offers), Kurt Thomas or another non-Laker free agent player. Anybody know if this was used last year? Limitation: Luxury Tax still applies.

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MID-LEVEL EXCEPTION: Lakers can sign a non-Laker free agent from 1 year up to 5 years. The exception can be split and totals $5,765,000 for the 2010-2011 season. Maximum raises are 8% per year.

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Lakers already used most of this to sign Steve Blake. Unsure how much is left of the 2010-2011 amount. Limitation: Luxury Tax still applies.

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DISABLED PLAYER EXCEPTION: Subject to League Approval (Difficult to Get), the Lakers can sign any free agent from 1 year up to 5 years. The exception cannot be split and would be the lesser of 50% of the injured player's salary or the average player salary ($5,765,000). Maximum raises are 8% per year.

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Presuming Luke's back doesn't get better. Luke Walton's Contract for Next Year is $5,260,000. So, if the NBA LEAGUE OFFICE approved it (and that's a BIG IF), the Lakers could offer a contract starting at $2,630,000 for the 2010-2011 season to any available player.

Limitation: Not Sure, But I Believe the Luxury Tax still applies. Anybody?

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ROOKIE EXCEPTION: Lakers can sign their rookie 1st round draft picks for 2 years plus two team options. The exception can be split and totals $5,765,000 for the 2010-2011 season. Maximum raises are 8% per year.

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Lakers don't have any 1st round draft picks.

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MINIMUM PLAYER SALARY EXCEPTION (MISTAKENLY REFERRED TO AS "VETERAN'S MINIMUM", BUT NO SUCH RESTRICTION): Lakers, since they're over the salary cap, can offer any player(s) the minimum salary based upon the player's years in the league. Contracts can be from 1 year to 2 years maximum. 2nd year is also at salary minimum.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe this exception also applies to 2nd round draft picks. Therefore:

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Ebanks & Caracter--Can be signed for Rookie Year Player Minimum ($473,604) for 1-2 Years (2nd year salary at $490,180). Limitation: Luxury Tax still applies.

DJ Strawberry--Having played essentially 2 years (he was waived early in his 2nd year after being traded), DJ can be signed for a minimum $854,389 this year. If the Lakers offer him a two year contract, he would get paid $884,293 in the 2nd year. Limitation: Luxury Tax still applies.

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2010-2011 MINIMUM SALARIES
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Rookie Player: $473,604
1 Year Player: $762,195
2 Year Player: $854,389
3 Year Player: $885,120
4 Year Player: $915,852
5 Year Player: $992,680
6 Year Player: $1,069,509
7 Year Player: $1,146,337
8 Year Player: $1,223,166
9 Year Player: $1,229,255
10+ Year Player: $1,352,181

Now you can see what the Lakers are able to offer all the possible free agents we've been discussing for the past weeks/months.

Have Fun!!!!
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GO LAKERS!!!!!! ONE, TWO, THREE-PEAT SQUARED!!!!!!

If we are fortunate enough to play healthy in the playoffs next year, no one, not even the 3 myEgo's can touch us. MH Posted by: michael h | July 11, 2010 at 03:28 PM

Hey Michael H! You need to trade mark that "3myEgo's" ! Lol! I agree, the only thing that can beat the Lakers is injuries. Otherwise we would right now be on our 17th Title & would have had our 2nd three peat and Boston would only have 16 RINGS. I know it's not scientific but these injury things seem to run in cycles on clubs. I think our cycle of bad injuries is over. DAMNN! It is almost frightening to think what the Lakers could do if they were ever totally healthy!

Now you can see what the Lakers are able to offer all the possible free agents we've been discussing for the past weeks/months. Have Fun!!!!Posted by: Marc B (With a 'C') | July 11, 2010 at 03:45 PM

SHOW OFF!!! Thank you my brother. It goes with out saying...OUT FREAKIN STANDING! Now relax and take you a rest after that Herculean task.
Mamba24

@CornerJ - I just read your theory about Riley asking to meet Fisher to drive up the bidding for him. And while I completely agree with you, I disagree with the motives you talk about. I don't think anyone outside of Los Angeles really believes that Raja Bell might join the Lakers. The only reason anyone is talking about him potentially going to the Lakers is because Kobe Bryant thought he would be a quality asset. However, when Golden State released him last year, he said he wants to play in Miami. He's from Miami and wants to go back even if it wasn't going to be until the 2011 season. Now that he could be a major contributor on a championship contender with a core in their mid-20s and it's pretty apparent that he's waiting on the Heat, as he hasn't even taken a meeting with the Lakers. Furthermore, driving the price up on Fisher doesn't limit how much they can spend on Bell. The Lakers are already in the luxury tax which means non-trade additions will come from their exceptions. Derek Fisher's money doesn't eat into those exceptions so they are essentially unrelated. As much as you don't want to admit it right now, Riley is just trying to help out a beloved Laker that is being low-balled by Jerry Buss.

MM, Was the Bi-Annual Exception used last year? If so, who did they use it on?

Thanks,

Marc B
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GO LAKERS!!!!!! ONE, TWO, THREE-PEAT SQUARED!!!!!!

It was used on brown. ..wasn't it?

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I Accidentally Cut & Pasted Some of My Previous Text into the Rookie Exception Section.

NOT THAT IT MAKES A DIFFERENCE FOR THE LAKERS, BUT THE ROOKIE EXCEPTION SECTION SHOULD READ:

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ROOKIE EXCEPTION: Lakers can sign their rookie 1st round draft picks for 2 years plus two team options. Maximum deal is 120% above scale. Increases are also determined by scale.

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Lakers don't have any 1st round draft picks.
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MBC,

So can we sign Miller? Great breakdown, but I'm too dizzy, ha, ha!

@yenlard "It was used on brown. ..wasn't it?"

You are absolutely correct. Thanks for reminding me.

Kinda Sucks! If you're going to use an exception that can only be used once every two years, then the second year shouldn't have an opt-out clause. Just my two cents worth...
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GO LAKERS!!!!!! ONE, TWO, THREE-PEAT SQUARED!!!!!!

I just saw a clip of Byron Scott speaking of coaching the the cavs next year without LeBron. What a stand up guy. I've always loved him as a player and coach. I'm a bit concerned that after Phil leaves that we won't have an opprotunity to have him. Maybe now with Miami's "super team" Phil's competitive juices will be flowing and might stick around for a few years?

@D(erek)J(eter) "So can we sign Miller?"

Since he's not our free agent, our only chance would be to offer Sasha's expiring contract ($5,475,113) in a sign and trade.

And maybe throw in a few 2nd round draft picks (which don't count towards the salary cap).

Miller could actually receive up to 25% above Sasha's current contract--subject to the Wizards cap space & Lakers luxury tax woes.

They could probably work that out to get him a better deal than Miami could offer.

Otherwise, we're basically screwed with regard to Miller.
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GO LAKERS!!!!!! ONE, TWO, THREE-PEAT SQUARED!!!!!!

"they will announce a major trade with the New Orleans Hornets to acquire second year point guard Darren Collison and veteran center/power forward Emeka Okafor in return for enigmatic power forward Lamar Odom and veteran small forward Luke Walton."
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This is made up right? Can anyone help me out with this one?
Thanks

Farmar signs with Nets for 4 mill per....Fish will have to get at least that to stay...I say give him a 2 yr deal 4.25per ....and move on to putting together a solid bench

MBC,

Thanks! Let's do it then, Mitch?

Hogan,

To good to be true I'm thinking, ha, ha!

mamba24, I totally agreed with you, if we stay healthy (a first even with our two championships)we will be a scary team. Not only has Drew not played a healthy season but he is still young and will only get better. I'd take him or Pau over Bosh. I'd take Kobe over Wade and we have Artest to slow down LeBron. They will be tough for sure if they get some decent role players, but our front line will crush them. It's going to be a very interesting season....

@Hogan,

LakerTom has an absolute hardon for former UCLA players, point guards in particular.

It ain't happening, and quite honestly, I think Collison's production was something of an anomaly. He looked average at best playing with and against scrubs in the summer league just now, and he's way too small for PJ's liking. Buss is in no way taking back that stiff Oakfor. And no way in hell does any team even sniff Luke's contract until it's an expiring deal.

@Hogan "This is made up right? Can anyone help me out with this one?"

It's a Joke. Probably based upon the July 1st rumor that had the Lakers packaging Lamar & Drew for Paul & Okafur.

A JOKE IN BAD TASTE!!!!!!

I like Collison, but TRADING OUR STRENGTH, OUR LENGTH, IS SHEAR STUPIDITY!
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GO LAKERS!!!!!! ONE, TWO, THREE-PEAT SQUARED!!!!!!

It's going to be a very interesting season.... Posted by: Hogan | July 11, 2010 at 04:48 PM

Indeed! In the meantime let's do some research on some good medical people.
Lol!
Mamba24

@htj
Thanks, that sounded fishy as hell! Honestly I don't want any more changes. Let's sign Fish, grab a couple of productive bench players, see an improved Artest after learning the system for a year, keep Bynum healthy, and kick the snot out of anyone that is put in front of us!

Release Mabenga, Powell, Morrison, Farmar, Browne and trade Walton. re-sgin Fisher, if Raja Bell wants to come in then good, if not they can get Tracy, I am sure he will sacrifice money, he's doesn't money anymore.

Love reading all the post here for the longest time but this is the first time I'm writing. With all these talk about whether Shaq is an asset coming back or not, I just have to throw my 2 cents in. First of all, Shaq HATES Bosh. Second, what better motivation for Shaq to do his best then to go against Bosh and his previous two teammates if the Heats even gets to the finals?

Love reading all the post here for the longest time but this is the first time I'm writing. Posted by: L L Lakerfan | July 11, 2010 at 05:06 PM
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Well welcome aboard LL LakerFan. A nice peice of writting it is too. Although you know by now we have very entrenched Pro and Anti Shaq factions here. But it's all good, because in the end we are one Laker Nation and One Laker Family. So LL welcome to the Family

Mamba24/larrY

HOGAN & MARC…The post was obviously made with tongue in cheek but also to make the point that when one door closes another opens, meaning even if Fish were to decide to sign with the Heat, the Lakers might then be inspired to make a great move, which in my opinion would be to trade for Darren Collison, whom I believe would be the perfect fit for a Lakers team that needs to get younger while not sacrificing their front court length advantage if they are to continue to be the best team in the NBA. While obviously wishful thinking, I wouldn’t consider it a bad joke. It’s a deal that would benefit both teams and solve a point guard problem the Lakers will not be able to solve otherwise.
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Collison average 19 points and 10 assists per game subbing for CP3 for 37 games last year as a rookie. He shot 50% from the field, 40% from beyond the arc, and 85% from the line. He is as fast and quick as any point guard in the league and cover man-to-man full court like an NFL defensive back. His long arms and anticipation are why Ben Howland often subbed him for Jordan Farmar defensively when the two played together at UCLA. His rare combination of defensive prowess and length along with his outstanding ball handling, play making, and long range shooting abilities make Darren the perfect option to run the Triangle or any offense the Lakers might adopt after Phil Jackson retires.
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Okafor would actually add to the Lakers defensive length and shot blocking ability. He would also be good insurance since he is primarily a center although he could easily backup Pau at power forward at times although it is looking like Caracter may also make the roster, which gives us even more size. With other teams bulking up to take advantage of Odom like Big Baby did, Okafor makes us tougher, especially on defense, and younger by 4 years than Lamar Odom.
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The deal also accomplishes the unthinkable, which was the hole in the roster due to Luke Walton. New Orleans will take Walton because the deal will save them over $23M, which to a franchise like the Hornets, is the difference between losing money and bankruptcy. For the Lakers, they do not really give up anything except financial flexibility in years 3 and 4 but they get their point guard of the future WITHOUT giving up their top four players OR increasing their payroll for the next two years. How would that be a bad joke.
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TOM

 
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