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Caught in the Web: Lakers' off-season movement continues

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-- The Times' Mike Bresnahan and Broderick Turner report details on the Lakers' acquisition of former Clipper guard Steve Blake, negotiations with Derek Fisher and that the Lakers hadn't offered free agent swingman Mike Miller a five-year contract.

-- Readers have mixed feelings about Phil Jackson's return.

-- NBA.com's David Aldridge also reports the Lakers are denying reports that they made a five-year offer to Miller.

-- The Orange County Register's Janis Carr focuses on the Mitch Kupchak's contention that he always thought Jackson would return.

-- The Orange County Register's Kevin Ding argues Jackson wants the Lakers to completely dominate his last season.

-- Ball Don't Lie's Kelly Dwyer argues the Lakers are favorites to win the title.

-- Pro Basketball Talk's Kurt Helin breaks down what Blake's signing with the Lakers means to the team.

-- NBA.com's Scott Howard-Cooper outlines the different teams Fisher can pursue.

-- ESPN Los Angeles' Andy Kamenetzky outlines how the Lakers have the "gift of normalcy."

-- ESPN Los Angeles' Dave McMenamin explains why Kupchak feels good about the free agency period.

-- Fox Sports' Charley Rosen believes Jackson's return significantly bolsters the Lakers' title chances and their shot at landing quality free agents.

-- Lakers assistant coach Brian Shaw shares his experience interviewing for the Cleveland job with 710 ESPN's Steve Mason and John Ireland.

-- The Daily News' Elliott Teaford talks to a source who said the Lakers hadn't made an offer to Fisher yet, which consisted of a one-year, $2.5-million deal.

-- ESPN Los Angeles' Ramona Shelburne looks at how Fisher is fielding different inquiries.

-- ESPN.com's Chris Sheridan details Blake's joining the Lakers.

-- Forum Blue and Gold's Darius breaks down the Lakers' off-season movement.

-- Silver Screen and Roll's Josh Tucker likes the Blake deal.

Tweet of the Day: "Steve Blake could've signed for more money elsewhere, but wisely chases ring with Lakers at 4 years for $16 million. Shrewd signing for L.A." -- WojYahooNBA (Yahoo! Sports' NBA columnist Adrian Wojnarowski.

Reader Comment of the Day: "What jumps out at me as I watch the circus known as the 2011 Free Agent Signing Period finally begin is how the entire pro basketball world has quietly come to the conclusion that the only way to beat Phil Jackson, Kobe Bryant, and the Lakers is with another Big 3 Fantasy team ala the Celtics. That’s why the top tier free agents are trying to package themselves to create a super team capable of upending the Lakers. It’s like LeBron, Wade, and Bosh are admitting that they may need each other if they have any hopes of competing at the Lakers level, especially with the hoopla of Phil’s last stand" -- LakerTom

--Mark Medina

Follow the L.A. Times Lakers blog on Twitter: twitter.com/latmedina. E-mail the Lakers blog at mgmedin@gmail.com

Photo: Lakers guard Derek Fisher could leave the team if he does not get a multiyear offer. Credit: Christian Petersen/Getty Images.

 
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Fish is being unreasonable here, and here's why.

He's been playing reasonably well with the Lakers, but has been inconspicuous when he played for other teams. If he needs other teams to consider him as a good player (and talk and write about it), he needs the Lakers as much (or more) as the Lakers need him.

Even if Fish walks he wouldn't be as successful as he’s been with the Lakers, as it takes a long time to build camaraderie and earn the trust of the players. His stints with Warriors and Jazz, for example, were less memorable to him and others playing with him. So, his in-game speeches are less useful in other teams.

He’s old and slow, and can’t continue to produce enough to warrant > $2.5M.

I say let this old dog walk. He was let go once, came running back for 2 rings. Ariza walked, lost a ring. Let Fish walk now.

I've decided to stay out of the Fish hysteria --remembering LOCO, and how agonizing and drawn out that turned out..
There are only 2 swords, and they belong to Fish and Mitch.. and they may have to rattle those sabres for awhile..

Meanwhile, I'm imagining the improved backcourt, a smart decision maker firing passes to the reinvigorated (he better be) and tirelessly slashing Lamar..

It's a shame for both sides.
Fish wants $10mi/2 seasons (he'll not get this anywhere)
Lakers want to offer $2.5mi/1 season (way too low, c'mon...)
Can we have our captain back for $6.2mi/2 seasons, being $4mi-1st season, then $2.2-last season then assistant coach position?

@NOAH, I'm sorry but you are the one person with the"INSIDE KNOWLEDGE", so we must here from you before we can decide? LOL! By the way tell God that's alright about the IPAD for Justa, I shall buy my Virtual Wife a Virtual one. You do good work NOAH, but those rabbits are getting out of hand. I thought God said only 2. It's already 102 on board! LMAO!

Can we have our captain back for $6.2mi/2 seasons, being $4mi-1st season, then $2.2-last season then assistant coach position? Posted by: Magic Phil | July 03, 2010 at 09:12 AM
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NOW THAT'S WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT! You always have the most reasonable spin on these things sir. I'm going to have to start listening to you more often!:)

Hey Mamba24

I guess you have an "open" virtual marraige --wanting in the back seat w/LL and all..

Also, don't get mad at me --either one of you-- but God --the real one, not the poster, actually said this regarding the ipad.. "Tell her to look in her ipants."
And unlike the rabbits, I hope you two are on the ipill...

@NOAH, ROFLMAO!!! Damnnnn, you sharp this morning Noah! I see why
GOD, the real one, picked you! Lol! Remind me to stay on your good side!
As for telling Justa where to look, I'd rather face a 500 pund lion in a 2 foot cage with no door than to tell her that! I'll let God persnally deliver that message since he is omnipotent! lol! Thanks Noah, you got my morning off to great start!!!
Mamba24(larrY Holiway)

Bye-Bye Farmar. I would feel bad for farmar not coming back, but with his comments about wanting to start and knowing he can do more...blah, blah,blah,...I cant wait to see him on the bench for the blazers averaging 5 mpg, or with the pacers coming off THE BENCH losing all the time,

BE CAREFUL WHAT YOU WISH FOR!!!!

Keeping derek fisher is a must... the lakers dont have a choice. As fr as the money the best we can do is 1 yr / 3mill. I love fisher and i wish we had more money for him. WHEN he accepts this deal or something very similar to it he will again start every game of the season but will play limited minutes similar to Bynum's minutes 26 a game. But in the Western Conference Finals and NBA finals he will play more and be clutch again. The Blake signing is great the only thing i am concerned with is his defense i hope he can be as pyhsical as d fisher when fighting screens but tht is easy something he can easily learn. As far as other moves, the Lakers seriously need to sign someone like Wesley Matthews or Anthony Morrow these are young defensive starts who shoot the 3 extremely well. bye bye walton maybe a sign and trade to get one of them bye bye farmar brown mbenga powell and wlton

Mamba24

..just a humble servant delivering a message.. I would NEVER have told her that either..

MY WISH, STICK WITH DFISH
Be careful you just might get that wish, And have a season without Dfish
There are many things that Dfish Do, that might not be apparent to you.
When things are tense and the team is blue, Dfish is the one that they turn to.
When it looks like a 16th title is Lost, Dfish is the one that says Fight on at all cost
Point guards come & point guards go, Kobe trusts Dfish is all I know.
How many Rings have free-agent point guards got, Other than Dfish, they have not
So my vote would have to be, Stick with Dfish just like Kobe!

@Noah, Lol, Well said sir! God could not have picked better!
Mamba24(larrY Holiway)

...this from Longoffseason.com:

"Derek Fisher agrees to terms with the Lakers."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9DQpiSTkpwk

@LEWSTRS, hey Lewstrs forget my earlier post put me & my virtual wife Justa on the DFish bandwagon in the backseat. Thanks! You are doing an awesome job!
Mamba24

Mamba24(larrY Holiway)

Good morning blogsters...
Just a practical message (sorry) about any further signs. Let's assume for the sake of argument, that Fish comes back for somewhere in the neighborhood of $4 mil this season and we sign our two second-rounders. That will bring our season budget right back up to where it was last year, around $91 million. Okay? We will still ony have 11 players on the roster and will need two more for league minimum. The money that we have left at our disposal is the remainder of the MLE which is about $1.8 mil, and the vet minimum salaries. Buss WILL NOT go over last season's budget. This means no Brown first of all and no other "names", no Mike Miller, no Brad Miller, no other quality NBA player that anybody has mentioned. The final slots will be filled with camp players, guys from the fringes, from euro and development leagues, guys who will require only the very bare amount allowable by league rules. So, in the end, we get Phil back, we get Shaw back, we hopefully get Fish back and we get a very good deal in Steve Blake for $4. We lose Brown, Farmar, Powell, DJ and Morrison. We get some new guys that you've probably never head of and who will be practice fodder. We'll need Sasha to step up. Whatever anybody thinks of him, he will be required to earn his money this year. We'll have to hope for the best with Luke's back. All-in-all, we should be fine. It'll be a great season.

We all like D'Fish, however.....
he is already an antique.
How much are you willing for an old item taking a space?
Will he be good at Getty or at Craigs List?
or perhaps at Hollywood Wax Museum

Other teams are luring him with all kinds of offers
D'Fish thinks he is the poor D'wade w/lots of rings.
Will he sign with the Lakers or other teams?
Lakers are giving him 5M but for two years to be a mentor
He wants more to be a 35 minutes player.

Therefore, Mitch and Phil should be very clear on Fish cost per minute.
Negotiate by minutes of play not by season, by defining the work to do.
Maybe, after being clarified that the amount of work compensates with the amount of pay, maybe just maybe he comes to his senses that this is no longer in 2004.

He is joining the Lakers for posterity sake and not the main PG.

...this from Longoffseason.com: "Derek Fisher agrees to terms with the Lakers." http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9DQpiSTkpwk Posted by: Noah | July 03, 2010 at 10:11 AM
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LMAO!! YOU GOT ME!!
Mamba24(larrY Holiway)

All-in-all, we should be fine. It'll be a great season. Posted by: dave m | July 03, 2010 at 10:16 AM
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All-in-all an...OUT FREAKIN STANDING POST SIR!!
mAMBA24

We all like D'Fish, however.....he is already an antique. How much are you willing for an old item taking a space? Will he be good at Getty or at Craigs List? or perhaps at Hollywood Wax Museum Posted by: Edwin Gueco | July 03, 2010 at 10:17 AM
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Say it aint so Edwin. You against DFish! No, No, Hell NO! I cannot believe this! Someone must have kidnapped the real Edwin and replaced him with this imposter. EDwin Gueco Hold On! We will find & rescue you.
mamba24(larrY Holiway)

What is all this total crap about Fish is slow, Fish is an antique, Fish can walk, Fish this, Fish that . . . STOP BANGIN' ON FISH! I've heard this for two or three years now. The modern slow Fish wins big games - wins games deep in the playoffs, both with shots and defense. This player is golden and the proof is documented. We'll bring him in for what he is worth.

the only thing i like about fish for 2010/11

http://bit.ly/aXU5NI

What is all this total crap about Fish is slow, Fish is an antique, Fish can walk, Fish this, Fish that . . . STOP BANGIN' ON FISH! I've heard this for two or three years now. The modern slow Fish wins big games - wins games deep in the playoffs, both with shots and defense. This player is golden and the proof is documented. We'll bring him in for what he is worth. Posted by: Otis | July 03, 2010 at 10:46 AM
yes, Yes, MY GOODNESS YES!!!...OUT FREAKIN STANDING!!!
mamba24(larrY Holiway)

the only thing i like about fish for 2010/11 http://bit.ly/aXU5NI
Posted by: ouchhhhhhhh | July 03, 2010 at 10:46 AM
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SWEET JESUS!!!! ouchh, Ouchh, Ouchhh!
mamba24

Anthony Morrow: LA bound Over 1 hour ago

Read more: http://hoopshype.com/#ixzz0sdysOnmq

@LEWSTRS, hey Lewstrs forget my earlier post put me & my virtual wife Justa on the DFish bandwagon in the backseat. Thanks! You are doing an awesome job!
Mamba24
Mamba24(larrY Holiway

I'm heart broken. Sniff. You sure Justa doesn't mind a virtual open marriage?

Ah well, it's not about me. It's about the Laker love.

It will all work out with D Fish. I know it will. Oh, and I still want a seat on the bandwagon.

Lass

NOW THAT'S WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT! You always have the most reasonable spin on these things sir. I'm going to have to start listening to you more often!:)

Posted by: Mamba24 | July 03, 2010 at 09:28 AM

Thank you, sire...

"I don't think there's (a) real big difference as far as talent is concerned," Scott said of Bryant and James. "Matter of fact, I think LeBron is more talented. But Kobe has been put in a great position." With great teammates, Scott said. "He got started early with Shaq," Scott said. "The last two, obviously he kind of made it a point (to win)."

sour grapes????????????????????

@LEWSTRS, hey Lewstrs forget my earlier post put me & my virtual wife Justa on the DFish bandwagon in the backseat. Thanks! You are doing an awesome job! Mamba24
I'm heart broken. Sniff. You sure Justa doesn't mind a virtual open marriage?
Ah well, it's not about me. It's about the Laker love. It will all work out with D Fish. I know it will. Oh, and I still want a seat on the bandwagon. Lass Posted by: LakerLass | July 03, 2010 at 11:17 AM
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Oh woe is me! lol! Lass, my beloved and first virtual love, besides who's glowing magnificence anyone else is just a mere shadow, what can I say! Justa virtually dumped me & so I thought I would try to win you away from the Lad. But then I came to my senses, after all The Lad is 6'6 and I'm only 5'11. Lol! So I decided no matter what I have to do I shall win my Virtual bride Justa back if it takes a million Virtual years. Just playing with you Lass! Where you been? Oh yeah that's right, summer vacation. Something I'm suppose to be on. But Lass before I go... If the Lad doesn't appreciate you &
Justa keeps Virtually dumping me...Naw, it never work, you're too good for me my Laker Lass. Lol Love ya Lass
mamba24(larrY Holiway)


I don't think there's (a) real big difference as far as talent is concerned," Scott said of Bryant and James. "Matter of fact, I think LeBron is more talented. But Kobe has been put in a great position." With great teammates, Scott said. "He got started early with Shaq," Scott said. "The last two, obviously he kind of made it a point (to win)." sour grapes????????????????????Posted by: ouchhhhhhhh | July 03, 2010 at 11:33 AM
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F@#$%$k SCOTT! He may be a Laker for life, but I hope the SOB fails miserably and B.Shaw gets Phils job when Phil retires.
mamba24(larrY Holiway)

@Magic Phil, The checks in the mail. I promise lol!
Mamba24(larrY Holiway)

Yo Kupcakes/Rip Van Buss: You dumbasses should be kissing Fishs ass for bringing you the title this year. Especially you Kupcakes.

The Lakers would have lost game 3 in Boston if not for Dfish......
The Lakers could have lost game 7 if not for the 3pter to tie it at 64-64 by Dfish..
Remember the clutch 3 pointer in front of Jameer Nelson to give the Lakers a 3-1 lead and essentially the championship in 2009?
I can go on and on....your nickel and diming is an insult to Dfish and the Fans...and to all the other readers who try to value Fish based on his stats: shove this stat up your ass: if CLUTCH were a stat, Fish would be shooting over 90%

Lakers Dynasty baby...Bring on all comers: Manchester United, Yankees, Barcelona...they buy their players...The Lakers have players who take pay cuts to play for them.

@STars_R_Aligned "Anthony Morrow: LA bound Over 1 hour ago"

This could mean anything.

From signing with the Lakers (improbable, but possible) to kickin' it in LA.

He could be meeting with the Lakers or slumming it with the Clippers.

He's a "Restricted Free Agent". The Warriors sent him a qualifying offer of $1.03 million ( http://bleacherreport.com/articles/414708-nba-free-agency-2010-top-destinations-for-anthony-morrow#page/2 ), but they have the right to match any other teams offer once it's signed.

Never Can Tell What Dr. Buss Will Allow Mitch to Do.

For Now We'll Just Have to "Wait & See"......
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GO LAKERS!!!!!! ONE, TWO, THREE-PEAT SQUARED!!!!!!

Three players will have to step up and finally earn their contracts next season: Drew, LO, and Sasha. We need to get a better return on investment from these guys. If these guys finally play to their potential, I don't think any team in the league can compete with us.

If we were to lose both Farmar and Brown, the glaring weakness on our roster is the absence of speed and athleticism. This is, of course, assuming that Ebanks doesn't get much PT next season. I'd like to see us add some athleticism to our guard core or SF position.


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I can go on and on....your nickel and diming is an insult to Dfish and the Fans...and to all the other readers who try to value Fish based on his stats: shove this stat up your ass: if CLUTCH were a stat, Fish would be shooting over 90% Lakers Dynasty baby...Bring on all comers: Manchester United, Yankees, Barcelona...they buy their players...The Lakers have players who take pay cuts to play for them. Posted by: Ronronindahizouse | July 03, 2010 at 11:50 AM
DAMMMMNNNNN!!!! ...OUT FREAKIN STANDING SIR!!
mamba24(larrY Holiway)

@Mamba24....I was confused, so you got sandwiched...lol

@Lewstrs, You are too much, the check is definitely in the mail! I got Justa on one side of me and LakerLass on the other! My God I'm in heaven! I may never get off the Suburban!! Lol! Thanks!! By the way did I tell you, you do good work!!
Mamba24(larrY Holiway)

@Lewstrs, Not to mention PsychedLakerGirl Too! Lol! THANNNNKS!!
Mamba24

Fish will be offered no more than 3.5 mil, maybe 7 mil for 2 yrs - tops. I want him back but he will have to see reason to stay with the club.

The move that is not being mentioned: Sasha's trade! He is in an expiring yr at 5+. That has the stench of S&T all over it. I like Sasha (saw his 'before the bigs' edit adn think he is ridiculously underachieving - he was a poor man's euro-Kobe) but he is better as bait for a true talent at this point. Here's the kicker: Trevor makes the same money. His Houston experiment has failed, he knows it and the Rockets know it. He knows the 'angle, knows he's not a starter and Houston can get out of a long-term deal. The FO would still have moves to make and room to make it.

Kwame frickin' Brown. I say he is the perfect big off the bench for us. He was well liked by the team and would have extrememly reduced responsibilities. Just bang off the bench, get a few boards and play D. He can handle that. Points would be a surprising bonus (and seldomly garnered). He will come exceedingly cheap, will desperately want to prove himself and knows the system (or could probably re-learn relatively fast).

Lastly, a scoring presence. This will take fanagling. TMac, Mike Miller or Raja would fit the bill. One of them will take the EXTREME cut. Honestly I hope it is TMAc. I doubt there is much interest in him elsewhere so we will wait him out (I think). He is, for the money, the only who could spell Kobe for serious time. He would be incredibly eager to prove himself and play outside of the 1st round. Give him 15 -25 mins off the bench, chop Kobe to 25-30 mins a game and elongate both of their careers. In spells run Drew/Pau or Pau/LO with Queensbridge, Mamba and Tmac - who could handle that???!!! 5 mins of that line-up should create permanent distance in a game.

I'm rambling. These moves make a champion for as long as these guys are together. Even under B Shaw. Here's that roster:

Drew, Pau, QB, Mamba, Fish (hopefully)
Kwame (VM), Candyman, Trevor (Sasha trade), Tracy (MLE remainder), Blake
Luke, 2 rook picks (Phil just doesn't play rookies)

Stars,


He's probably on a plane literally heading to LA, not signing with the Lakers. He's restricted, right? So any offer the Lakers would make would never be accepted because it's probably half what his market value is.


Why are we not signing DJ? I remember him having 7 blocks one game. Hmmm.


Wes

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I don't think I'd be willing to try the Kwame Brown experiment again. Yes, he is well-liked by his teammates, and he would assume a reduced role this time around. But, as we all know, you can't teach mental toughness. I don't think he can handle the pressures of being on a championship team.

The two guys I like are Oberto and Craig Smith, who I think can contribute meaningful minutes. I hope we can snag one of these guys so that we can give Pau some more rest during the regular season.

Though I doubt T-Mac would be willing to sign for the minimum, if he were willing, that would definitely be a risk worth taking. He'd give us depth at SF and allow Kobe to get more rest.

I think after this year, or maybe during this year, if Andrew Bynum can go unhurt, we need to look into trading Lamar Odom. If we play the Lamar chip right, we can go a long way in rebuilding this team. But lets wait and see. I see us getting younger, faster and taller...


But it all depends on Andrew. If Andrew dominates and plays so well that we can't take him off the court, then we can move Lamar and reap the multitude of benifits. There are a LOT of teams that would like Lamar.


Wes

If an offer hasn't been made to Derek, why is the 2.5 million dollar offer being thrown around?

What do we play for? RINGS!!!!

Lakers Today... Lakers Tomorrow... Lakers Forever.

GO LAKERS!!!!

Not TMac at the min., EJK, but at what we have left from the MLE (about 2 mil this yr, I think). They can lace it with some incentives to boost the bucks. I think its a stretch, too, but I really don't think any of the 'contenders' will seek his services. As long as we wait him out we'll get a better bargaining posture.
Kwame has been more than serviceable for the Pistons. And, contrary to his last stint here, there will be NO pressure on him to perform. He will see very limited minutes in the playoffs, all off the bench just to stem some rest for Drew/Pau. Reportedly (from past seasons) Phil likes him. There is reason for that. As a back-up (for the money) I think he is what the dr. ordered.

I'll Ride the Roof Rack of "THE BRING BACK DFISH SUBURBAN" BANDWAGON!!!!!!

Re-Sign Fisher at $3.5 million (use Veteran's Exception (approx. $1 million)) & Pay Luxury Tax of $2.5 million. That might work. It's effectively paying $6 million for Fisher.

Fish, You're the President of the Players Association. You, of all players, should know how to get this done.

Phils Back!!!!!!

We're Getting the Band Back Together for One Last Tour!!!!!!

Work a Deal!!!!!!
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Hey Wes, now is the time to move LO. In another year he will totally destroy his trade-worth. Drew is not the only determiner, the bench re-stocking project will have a lot to do with his worth. If we reload with threatening talent then we can afford to move his contract for possibly a pair of young talented players. This organization is playing for now but they have an eye to the future, I'm sure. LO is the piece that can bring long-term players, if executed effectively. Wouldn't be surprised to see hin leave after another lack-luster filled, inconsistent year.
the great thing is this: LO is a coin-toss. We, as Laker fans, are frustrated with his unpredictability. Still we won two titles in a row and possibly have the luxury to move him to teams that would die for his services. It is great to be at the top, isn't it?

Go Lakers!!

Seriously, trying to move forward without Derek Fisher is like trying to get on the freeway with one of your wheels.


We need Derek Fisher. It's just the way it is. Most importantly KOBE needs Derek Fisher. He won't listen to anyone else who's a player.

What do we play for? RINGS!!!!

Lakers Today... Lakers Tomorrow... Lakers Forever.


GO LAKERS!!!!

Art -FL Lakers Fan,

you wrote: Let me ask then... does Buss care more about a championship than he does about the $$?

His track record says he cares more about the championship.

Fish's salary will not make or break the teams profit.

No other Laker was asked to take a pay cut, why should Fish be the only one?

my response: This is a straw argument. You're using vague terms to
describe something specific.

Let me give you an example: You asked if he cares more about a
championship over $$. Let's flesh this out: "if Dr. buss lost 100 million
and won a championship" the fundamentals of your initial question are
still intact. Since he's not a billionaire, he's got a limited number of years
that he can do that before he would be bankrupt & he would have to sell
the team.

Ok. Perhaps you mean is Buss willing to lose 5 million to win a championship?

Would you lose 5 million dollars to win a championship? If you had a choice
b/n losing 5 million dollars to win & winning 5 million dollars and the
championship, which would you chose?

re: taking a pay cut. Actually, Phil took/is taking a pay cut. Truth be told,
how much is D-Fish worth on the open market & do the Lakers actually *NEED*
him to win the championship?


Is Fish one of the very few athletes in history that knows what he's capable of at the end of his career and what it's worth? Most greats have over estimated.

He doesn't want to be just the locker room "presence" guy on this or any team and his value in Kobe cred is definitely worth the 2.5 the Lakers are offering.

Is there another million or 2 in athletic value beyond that at 36-37? Yes but it's an impossible question to answer without looking at the Laker balance sheet and deciding how much is enough for those at the top of the Org.

According to most sources, they've posted a profit and will raise ticket prices again. Luxury taxes are annoying but if they don't put you in the red and you're winning rings they're worth it.

At the end of the discussion about a beloved Laker as Fish is, ya gotta give another Laker figure the benefit of our doubt. Jerry Buss. He got this.

I hate Twitter.

The joke's one everyone. To "twitter" means to waste time. A "twit" is someoone who is a toolbag and an idiot. Break out your dictionary and look it up.

What do we play for? RINGS!!!!

Lakers Today... Lakers Tomorrow... Lakers Forever.


GO Lakerss!!!

Noah,


LOCO was painful. I agree.

What do we play for? RINGS!!!!


Lakers Today... Lakers Tomorrow... Lakers Forever.


GO LAKERS!!!

Noah,


LOCO was painful. I agree.

What do we play for? RINGS!!!!


Lakers Today... Lakers Tomorrow... Lakers Forever.


GO LAKERS!!!

Noah,


LOCO was painful. I agree.

What do we play for? RINGS!!!!


Lakers Today... Lakers Tomorrow... Lakers Forever.


GO LAKERS!!!

I agree Hobbit. Fish has caused any a Laker fan ulcers from getting blown by al last season. This season will not be better. He has slowed and is not the player he was. His value is great but how is $2.5 mil not great? I think it is a fair deal for him. His responsibilities will diminish this year, so should his money. If you require extracurricular minute-management during the regular season due to your mileage to keep you effective in the post-season then you are due a pay cut. The money is reasonable he should take it and keep it moving.

Thorough,

I think T-Mac can get more than $2M on the market with another contender. I can't imagine that other contending teams wouldn't take a hard look at him. We'll see. I definitely would be thrilled to have him sign with us for around $2M. I just wouldn't hold my breath.

As for Kwame, I think there are better options available in the market (see Oberto or even a Kurt Thomas). Even in just limited minutes, I don't trust the guy to make a positive impact on the team.

hobbitmage,

Actually, if the Lakers win a championship, Buss makes money. If he signs Fish at 5 mill, maybe he makes a little less, but he doesn't lose anything.
So the question isn't losing money, it's making less money, a big difference.

I would chose to make less money to win, like, make 10 mill instead of 15 mill to win.

Yes, Phil takes a cut. After I wrote that I realized what I should have written was no Laker player was asked to take a cut.

What Fish is worth on the open market, I guess we'll find out, but that's not totally relevant. Fish is worth more to the Lakers than any other team.
Can't argue that, it's just an opinion.

To your last question, I think yes, the Lakers NEED him.
Again, just my opinion.

Wow. This Spain-Paraguay game has been wild. I hate to root against Pau's team, but I have to root for the underdog here.

I think Mitch has done a great job so far this off season...

He still has more work to do...and don't be surprised if another big move is done...

PJ wants his last season to be dominating...He wants this team to really raise the bar, and have a memorable season...

I like it... and now this summer even became longer...

#17 Coming Up!!!

@Hobbitmage

YES...The Lakers need Fish for the 'PJ last assault season'


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Don't let the Fisher Wagon roll without me. Also though, would like M.Miller or Korver as well. Brown and Mbenga too?

EJK - I agree with the bigs. Personally, I'd rather have someone who impacts the game. Kurt Thomas' hustle has an impact when he enters the floor. I agree but I know there will be interest from other teams with a similar need (Miami's empty roster for instance). We DO have the clout of '2010 NBA Champion' to spend so we are in good shape. Just think Kwame would fit. Not sold on him if we can do better, though.
Tracy? I don't know. I don't think he has a lot of interest from contenders. What would be interesting? Chicago! Say they get Bosh then trade for Carmelo. Tracy would be lethal in that situation. That offense would not need his points but the threat of his points for Melo and Bosh to go off. Still would be a squad we could handle but noone else could. Yes. I'm reaching but its not impossible.
You are right though, we'll have to see. If he receives offers none of them will be the reigning and favored forthcoming champs. We'll just have to see. You make good points, though.

I don't like Korver.

I can't root for that haircut.

What do we play for? RINGS!!!!


Lakers Today... Lakers Tomorrow... Lakers Forever.

GO LAKERS!!!!

Raja, Mike Miller, Tracy - that is my (unimportant opinionized) order of preference. Why? Defense wins championships. Raja has the three to spread the floor and the D to close it off. Mike is an all-around threat on O but his D is just better than average. Tracy? Vintage TMac has killer O but his D is basically average. We wouldn't get vintage TMac - we would get Tracy. He coul be a true fill-in for Kobe off the bench, and he would kill bench defenses, but he just wouldn't be my first choice of the three.
Fotunately, I don't call the shots. Go Lakers!

If Theo Ratliff has anything left in the tank, he could be worth a look. He's a shot blocker/big defender.

RE: the Fish

No offer has been made to him.

"In fact, a source close to Fisher said numerous media outlets were incorrect
in reporting the Lakers had made a one-season, $2.5 million contract offer to Fisher. No offer has been extended, the source said. Several teams have contacted Fisher, however."

http://www.dailynews.com/lakers/ci_15433460

dave m,

Great post. Sign Fish to say $4m a year and there's really not much left to spend, assuming Buss does not want to exceed last year's payroll.

Perhaps Kurt Thomas at the vet minimum, then the two rookies and a couple of other scrubs?

DFish wants 2-yrs/$10mil
Lakers want 1-yr/$2.5 mil

Sounds like we're off to a great negotiating session.

Fish will use Miami and Cleveland as leverage to establish demand.
Kobe will call Mitch and Jerry Buss to scream about them working a deal or else.

When the smoke clears...
DFish will get 2-yrs/$7 mil with a guarantee to join the Lakers coaching staff and be groomed to become a future head coach...hopefully for the Lakers!

A POT CALLING A KETTLE BLACK:

WROTE EDWIN GUECO:

We all like D'Fish, however.....
he is already an antique.

RESPONSE:

If Dfish is old then you must be older than the dirt, self proclaimed blogs "ELDER"..

Obviously, your assessment of DFish's value is based on his age but what you have failed to grasp is a term "intangible" that seems to evade your limited vocabulary. All you posts referencing to Dfish have one thing in common, his age and nothing that speaks of his real value. By the way don't bother looking up the word in Webster, dictionary can't explain Dfish's intangible values as it is only understood by an astute observer of the game.


hey guys we got a new post up

MM

For anybody saying Buss is cheap or not willing to spend on his team, consider this. Our top three players put us right at the salary cap. THREE PLAYERS. Kobe, Pau and Drew - total salary this year, $56,470,769. Okay? EVERYBODY ELSE after that is a luxury tax penalty. EVERY other player costs us double what their salary is. There's no other team out there that will come close to our payroll. So please people, I know that you're all fans and you want the best for your team but stop with the "cheap" business. Fish's deal will get done, he won't be hurting at all, and then we'll fill the rest of the slots with salaries that are under a million each. You're talking 4 or 5 hundred thou, not a million-eight. Second round picks, d-leaguers, etc. This is how it is when you have the top salaried player in the league. I'm not being a Buss apologist here but there are certain financial realities that can't be denied. Our budget after luxury tax will be around $130 mil. That's twice what some of the other teams will be paying.

Yep Dr. Buss puts out for his players. The greatest owner in the game. fisher will work out.

Man No one love the lakers more then Dr. buss. Soo yeah he'll make sure we are a contender. man have faith in mitch and buss. they will take care of the rest of the roster.

Freakin aye, did any of these Fish lovers actually watch any games? Or did these bandwagoners just tune in for the Finals only?

The Lakers and Phil continue to throw Fish a bone and he has helped us in the past....and also hurt us even more. You can argue Fish hits big shots....but what about the other 98% of the games and season? The simple fact is, I like Fish a lot, he's a great guy and leader...but if you take off the Laker glasses and look at Fish the basketball player, he has NEVER even been an above average player EVER , even in his prime. And now he wants 10 million for 2 years at age 36?

Does anyone how ridiculously good our defense would be if we had a good defender at the 1? Does anyone even look at Fish's FG%? Does anyone watch every Laker game anymore?

Slap to Fish's face? Ha. Fish turning down a 2.5 mil contract which is MORE than fair is a slap to the Lakers. After being overpaid his entire career, he won't take a pay cut to 3peat? Whatever. The fact is, if we lose Fish, the Lakers won't skip a beat. Whatever we lose in leadership, we will make up for in on court production. Thanks for the memories Fish. Now please just retire with your dignity

I'll Ride the Roof Rack of "THE BRING BACK DFISH SUBURBAN" BANDWAGON!!!!!!

Re-Sign Fisher at $3.5 million (use Veteran's Exception (approx. $1 million)) & Pay Luxury Tax of $2.5 million. That might work. It's effectively paying $6 million for Fisher.

Posted by: Marc B (With a 'C') | July 03, 2010 at 12:24 PM

huh?
it KIND OF doesn't work like that, lol.

Something is wrong with David Stern's NBA. Teams like the Lakers and their owners are held hostage by the salary cap and the luxury tax. For winning and fielding a competitive team, the Lakers are restricted in efforts to add players even at minimum salaries. Meanwhile, teams tank entire seasons and jettison useful players to create "cap space".

And, cap killing deals like those of Sasha and Luke Walton also minimize the competitive edge of the game. Those guys should be minimum salaried players for the extent of their contributions. Teams and the players are seriously going to have to sit down and revisit a lot of these issues. Negotiating a new CBA is going to be very contentious and may certainly lead to a lockout. Something's got to give. No one, except Maria Sharapova comes to see Sasha play. And Luke's biggest fan is his father.... "I am your faaather...Luuuke".


I know this is becoming a rant, but my point is that scrubs should make scrub money. To me, what's wrong with the league is that for every Kobe, who's earning his money, you've got fifty Eddie Currys, Darkos and TMacs who inspire nothing but buyer's remorse.

bronx,

Think you have a valid point and the CBA may get very difficult.
But then, injuries aren't the players fault and no one forced any of the owners to pay the salaries they paid.

What's the solution?

Art-FL Laker Fan....

I wish I knew what the solution is. The game I love above all others is being compromised badly. Perhaps teams could designate 3 players as franchise players A, B and C. These 3 players would be max contract players who would not count against any cap. Then institute a limit on all the other players as far as salary is concerned, say $5M/year, and have a salary cap of let's say $50M for the players (up to 12) who fill out the roster. And I would take a hard look at guaranteed contracts. Too often, they encourage complacency and a lack of growth in players. The Kwame Browns and Eddy Currys of the NBA have no incentive to get better the way things are now. These guys can enjoy the NBA lifestyle with exorbitant salaries based solely on potential. I'm no expert and I'm sure there are holes in my schemes. But, things can't remain the same if the league wants to prosper into the future.


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