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Caught in the Web: Lakers focus on their backcourt during free agency

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--The Times' Broderick Turner details Jordan Farmar's decision to accept a three-year, $12-million offer from the New Jersey Nets. Turner also reports that the amount the Heat would offer to Derek Fisher depends on what free agents Mike Miller and Udonis Haslem are willing to agree to with Miami.

--TrueHoop's Kevin Arnovitz believes that Derrick Caracter's play during summer league has validated the Lakers' choice in drafting him.

--ESPN The Magazine's Ric Bucher and ESPN Los Angeles' Dave McMenamin report on the terms of Farmar's deal.

--The Newark Star-Ledger's Dave D'Alessandro believes that Farmar will be a valuable addition for New Jersey.

--The Orange County Register's Kevin Ding expects Farmar will have a significant role with the Nets.

--ESPN Los Angeles' Brian Kamenetzky remains impressed with how Devin Ebanks and Caracter have played in summer league.

--The Daily News' Elliott Teaford highlights the belief from Nets President Rod Thorn that Farmar's championship experience will help New Jersey.

--Silver Screen and Roll's DexterFishmore believes Farmar will be a good fit for the Nets and that the Lakers are calling Fisher's bluff.

Tweet of the Day: "Jordan Farmar reportedly agrees to join the Nets for 3yrs-$12M. Laker fans, is he worth that kind of money?" -- LAMase (710 ESPN's Steve Mason)

Reader Comment of the Day: "My gut tells me that Fisher wants to retire a Laker, but he wants some respect." -- Jon K

*There will be a chat beginning at 12:45 p.m. today for the Lakers' summer league game at 1 today against the Knicks. 

-- Mark Medina
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Photo: Lakers guard Jordan Farmar on Sunday accepted a three-year deal worth $12 million from the New Jersey Nets. Credit: Wally Skalij / Los Angeles Times

 
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1) I hate Mark Cuban, but the guy has a point. Wasn't he fined for making an innocuous comment, but Pat Riley is allowed to tamper with LeBron James during the playoffs and its okay?


It's not okay.


http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news?slug=ap-cuban-heat


2) Jesse Jackson is a complete toolbag who will exploit any issue to try to amass personal power through shame and an irrational "empowerment through victimhood" mentality.


Jesse, you're a relic. We're in a Barack Obama generation now. The sooner you are torn apart by wild dogs; the better.


http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news?slug=ap-gilbert-jessejackson


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Again STOP SAYING KOBE OR PAU SHOULD MAKE PAY CUTS.

It's VIOLATION of the CBA Rules the ones who determine what players can do with the salaries.

If you don't like it or don't believe it: FILE A LAWSUIT!!! Most likely lose and spend money for nothing all because you were ignorant about CBA Rules.

Don't like it or don't believe it again: FILE A LAWSUIT DUDE OR GALS!

Good riddance john farmy...

4MIL is about 2MIL overpaid and NJ will find out the hard way... Only a clueless billionaire owner with endless reserve of dirty money would give him this contract when no other team put an offer this close on the table so farmy jumps all over it

Now he joins a team coming off the worst season in nba history already with a starting pg with only one real prospect in lopez... And there goes LTLF goin off the deep end again (seems to happen often with luke and farmy) suggesting farmy can take the starting position from harris... He may be somewhat injury prone and that's the reason nets may try to unload him but I repeat farmy will NEVER take the starting position from devin.. And if farmy thinks his life just got easier he better think twice cause avery is mr strict displinarian who runs a damn tight ship

And dfish didn't gain any more leverage with farmar gone as LTLF suggests.. since lakers never had any interest to begin with

And lakertom for the love of god pls stop with collison/okafur

And don't nobody fear the 3 superfriends... Until they get a real bench or guys like haslem this team that who couldn't even beat greece is all bark no bite.. only thing that scares me is with dwade and lebron they are gonna break the all time record for most FTs in a single season and stern will make sure of that.

And reserve a spot on the roster for caracter and ebanks.. Its a done deal

Ur lakers voice of reason

Sincerely,
yellofever

Blitz,

As usual, you don't give credit to any Lakers under 30. Glad you are not Lakers GM or they would be AARP members.

Is there any Lakers under 30 yrs old that you like?

Farmar didn't have a chance with the Lakers due to Phil's preference for Fisher. There was NOTHING Farmar , Brown or Sasha could do to expand their role.

Fisher is a terrible defender, super slow, can't finish at the basket (yes, he finished during the fourth quarter game 3 -- for once), and clanks jumpers from all angles.

Is Fisher the worst in the NBA? No

However, there are many other PGs that would make the Lakers better.
Steve Blake is an upgrade.

------
Well said by LTLF .... responding to a negative Farmar post
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>>>Basically I saw his situation as his job to lose and he did.

Okay, explain this to me. How do you lose a job you've never had?

You have to actually HAVE something to LOSE it.

Jordan got exactly ONE start the last two seasons for the Lakers. It was a playoff game vs Houston (when Fish got suspended for decking Luis Scola). Farmar played very well. Shut down Aaron Brooks. Got 7 assists. Lakers won easily.

Basically, the Lakers won 100% of their games with Jordan Farmar as a starter the last two seasons.

Posted by: LongTimeLakerFan | July 12, 2010 at 09:39 AM

Jackson Jackson continues insert himself in highly visible situations.

Guess he just can't help himself.

His comments were as comical as Dan Gilbert's.

Lakers should take care of priorities, sign up their f/a players, new drafts and hone skills for the next 3peat season.

First things to be concerned:

1. Pending surgeries on Kobe and Bynum, LO shoulders and his commitment to Team USA;

2. If Lakers want a 3 peat, our formula should be a new Bynum, he's the key to another championship. Make use of his length and width plus new moves like short hook shots in the post, mid jumpers in the f/t line. I don't the three kings could reach him if he takes off in the post

3. Preserve PJ and Fisher for the playoffs by asking Brian Shaw to handle aching the away games through automated guidance of PJ here in LA, Blake and Sasha should take care of the PG responsibilities during the 82 games.

Dude Sasha is not a point guard and will never be, so you can stop there with that.

Jon K,

>>> I hate Mark Cuban, but the guy has a point. Wasn't he fined for making an
>>>innocuous comment, but Pat Riley is allowed to tamper with LeBron James
>>>during the playoffs and its okay?

Not only that, but Phil Jackson was fined for saying in an interview that he thought Chris Bosh was a good player and would be a good person to sign when he became a free agent.

>>>And there goes LTLF goin off the deep end again

Yep, it's really waaaaaaay out there to suggest that Devin Harris gets injured more often than Derek Fisher. Except for the fact that it's true.

I must be on LSD to be crraaaaaaaazy enough to look at facts when I assess what could happen in the future.

The Word From The Eastern Front:


I just got off the phone with my father.


Bruce Drennan is Cleveland's equivalent of Chick Hearn. He is a bona fide sportscasting genius. I can't say much about the media talking heads in Ohio. They generally suck, but Bruce Drennan is quite good and his knowledge of the spectrum of sports is rather impressive.


The guy just went OFF on LeBron James yesterday, calling him a dirtbag. The truth is about to come out. When Dan Gilbert says that people have being "covering up" for LeBron James for too long, it's not the voice of some delusionally vindictive lunatic. It's the voice of righteous anger.


The TRUTH is that LeNarcissist has treated Cleveland like his personal fiefdom for years and responded to sycophantic fans with disrespect. He got away with it because Cleveland was so desperate for a "hero" that they'd do anything for someone who would bring them to the top of the mountain again.


Well, he's not going to have a community to cover up for him anymore and now that major media markets (New York) hate him too, there will be plenty of incentive for paparazzi to take photos of LeCreep for gossip magazines. In short, that one hour celebration of everything that is wrong with sports narcissism culture on ESPN was literally LeBron's massive wedding day for a really, REALLY bad marriage. His brand is about to be ruined and with it the psychologically weak LeCreep will implode in Miami.


Here... we... go.


Also, one last thing, word is on the street in Cleveland that LeCreep's cadre of hoodrats who form his inner circle (and are on payroll now with the Heat) were the ones who came up with the idea to call up Jesse Jackson, pay him off, and get him to make his ridiculous "slave mentality" statements.


Jesse Jackson, you, like LeBron James, are a narcissist who profits by betraying the very communities you claim to defend. And THAT is spiritually repulsive on a visceral level.


What do we play for? RINGS!!!


Lakers Today... Lakers Tomorrow... Lakers Forever.


GO LAKERS!!!

>>>and dfish didn't gain any more leverage with farmar gone as LTLF suggests..
>>>since lakers never had any interest to begin with

So your conjecture is that if Fish and Brown signed elsewhere and Jordan showed some interest in coming back, that the Lakers would have signed Kevin Ollie instead of trying to sign Jordan? (or if not Ollie, then name your own crappy vet who'd be willing to take a minimum salary).

It's all speculation by both of us. And you better hope Fisher signs and the situation I postulated doesn't come up. Because there are many point guards in the league who are much worse than Jordan Farmar.

>>>Until they get a real bench or guys like haslem this team that who couldn't
>>>even beat greece is all bark no bite..

Right now, it's looking like they probably will get Mike Miller and Udonis Haslem. And Ilgauskas sounds like he might be willing to take a minimum contract to play for them. But I think it's going to be pretty weak beyond that, at least this season.

I bleed purple and gold,

You don't have to be a good PG in the PJ system. First, you know how to pass using the triangle concept; Second, you know how finish when time is expiring; Third, you can play defense. If you don't like Sasha, then go for Shannon once he is re-signed. Got to preserve Fish, Kobe and PJ for the playoffs when every minute counts. During the season, we just have to take care of the home court advantage, let the young people do the dirty work.

>>>And reserve a spot on the roster for caracter and ebanks.. Its a done deal

agreed.

LongTimeLakerFan,


I remember that.


Isn't it curious that Darth Stern has been so quiet throughout all of this? He must be in a massive panic damage conrol mode right now. There must be inside information that he's aware of and he's telling everyone just to be quiet. He's aware of how damaging media evidence of tampering will be to the NBA brand after he's spent years grooming LeCreep to be the successor to Michael Jordan.


This whole thing will go off like a car bomb when evidence of tampering is revealed.


What does Darth do? Negate the whole deal? Seriously. How can he respond?


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GO LAKERS!!!

I am EXTREMELY hopeful about Ebanks and Caracter. Seriously. The second coming of Trevor Ariza is just what we need.


THAT and signing Fisher, Bell, and Craig Smith.


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Seriously, why hasn't Darth Stern commented on "The Decision?"


The silence is deafening.


What do we play for? RINGS!!!


Lakers Today... Lakers Tomorrow... Lakers Forever.


GO LAKERS!!!

>>>What does Darth do? Negate the whole deal? Seriously. How can he respond?

No kidding.

He could actually reject the LeBron deal if the CBA was violated and they have proof. There is at least one precedent - the Minnesota Joe Smith situation.

It would suck for Miami if the league invalidated the deal and took away their next few draft picks, like they did with Miami. And now a lot of the cap space with other teams has been spent. So LeBron's options would be a bit narrower.

LongTimeLakerFan, I sit corrected. Obviously, the discussion of Farmar is now moot. But for future reference, here's how to renounce a player's Bird Rights.

The express language of the CBA's Article X Section 4(f) states as follows:

"A Team that holds the exclusive rights to negotiate with and sign a drafted player may at any time renounce such exclusive rights, except that, if the Team has made a Required Tender to the player, a renunciation shall not be permitted during the time the player has to accept the Required Tender under Article VIII. In order to renounce its exclusive rights with respect to a drafted player, a Team shall provide the NBA with an express, written statement renouncing such exclusive rights. The NBA shall provide a copy of such statement to the Players Association within three (3) business days following its receipt thereof." http://www.nbpa.org/sites/default/files/ARTICLE%20X.pdf

Moreover, Article VII Section 4(g)(2) states as follows:

"(2) A Team cannot renounce any player to whom the Team has made a Qualifying Offer until such time as the Qualifying Offer is no longer in effect." http://www.nbpa.org/sites/default/files/ARTICLE%20VII.pdf

"Renunciation" of Farmar's Bird Rights Required an Overt, Written Act Sent to the League By The Lakers.

My original logic was that renunciation was implied by the Lakers failing to make a Qualifying Offer to Jordan. If the CBA didn't specifically require written notice, then it could be implied.

But, after you asked the question, I went straight to the horse's mouth, the CBA. The specific always trumps the implied.

However, since Article X Section 4(f) requires written renunciation to the league office, Adam Morrison's Bird Rights are still alive! Woo Hooo!

Anyone feel like making a plea to keep Adam "Ammo" Morrison?

LTLF, I Bow & Tip My Hat to Your BB Wisdom...
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Seriously, why hasn't Darth Stern commented on "The Decision?"

The silence is deafening.

Posted by: Jon K. | July 12, 2010 at 11:11 AM

What is it exactly that you want to hear from him?

Magia32,


Anything.


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The Word From The Eastern Front II:


I just received an email and photo from one of my Akron sources.


It seems a simple white and red t-shirt has become popular out there which reads in bold letters: "YOU CAN HEAD SOUTH, BUT YOUR MOM IS RIDING WEST!"


I'm sure you'll figure out the hidden meaning on your own.


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GO LAKERS!!!

On the whole backcourt thread...

I wish the Lakers had kept their 2009 first round pick.

Toney Douglas is looking pretty good - he would have been a reasonable backup PG.

True but Sasha has shown that he is a turnover machine waiting to happen when he tries to play the piont. I hope ha can fix that if we are going to use him at the point.

I thought both the Cavs and the Raptors had decided not to push for any investigation on the trades. If they don't want anyone to look, Stern's not going to press that thing. The owners are all having a supposedly pre-trade scheduled meeting today: maybe it's brought up, but I doubt it.

I don't like the fines to Cuban and Phil for saying nothing, but I do think the "tampering" is not that big a deal. Now, if someone had proof Miami was paying the Superfriends under the table to make up for their "taking less" on their contracts... that would be something.

LongTimeLakersFan,

"There is at least one precedent - the Minnesota Joe Smith situation."


I was thinking about that, but this was "The Decision."


There was a fricken hour long special on ESPN.


If he negates the deal, the upside is that he painfully returns ethics to the NBA. If he doesn't, the murmurs of complains and disgust are going to only get worse.


Let's face it. The largest (and arguably most important) media market in North America (New York City) is extremely pissed about this right now and their two teams are going to suck again next year.


This not good for the NBA as a business.


What do we play for? RINGS!!!


Lakers Today... Lakers Tomorrow... Lakers Forever.


GO LAKERS!!!

"LTLF, I Bow & Tip My Hat to Your BB Wisdom..."

He is the new moderate Mike T. If we will follow all his prescriptions in evaluating players, Lakers will not win any Championship. He is the theoretical statistician but questionable in tapping talents. He is the crusader of the oppressed Luke and Farmar and we are all the oppressors in the blog. lol!

Jon K,

I resign.

would be nice to hear from him.

@KB Blitz, Wow! I'm Humbled That My Every Comment on this Blog is Etched in Your Memory Forever. LOL

Too Bad it's a Selective Memory Etch!
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Now Let's Discuss Your Comments:

"Just like how you said Kobe will become a defensive stopper from Team USA style so Bynum can be the number one option."

I did say Kobe would be a defensive stopper and he was 1st team all defense. However, I never said Bynum would be the number one option or even the number two option. Moreover, I said that Kobe and Artest would provide the lockdown defense, with the Bigs (Pau, Drew & LO) clogging up the paint. Low and behold, they won the Championship due to lockdown defense: 89-67, 83-79.
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"Just like you said that Bynum will be an All-Star last year."

If NOT for Darth Stern's putting Stoudemire as a Center instead of PF, with Yao out for the season, he would've been the starting center. If Amare was in his true position (PF), Amare wouldn't have made the All-Star team (Duncan & Pau). Stern's office knew this. Go ahead and bash me for my take on that.
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"Just like you said Bynum was the second option and now you retracted that saying Pau Gasol is the second option."

Show me where I claimed Bynum would be ahead of Pau. Never said that. Are you on Shrooms or Ludes?
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"Just like how you sided with Prfraud36 in bashing Phil because he put Odom in crunch time instead of your boy."

I did say that. Big "Lard Butt" Davis was schooling LO at the time. A Scrub beating up LO (sometimes he just has to wake up & smell his own skillset). At that time, even an injured Bynum would've clogged the middle more. That's my right as a fan to arm chair coach & I'll stand by it! We lost that game. And we'll never know if I was right.
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"It's a bad joke primarily because we all know what you want to gain by this trade: Having Bynum get his precious minutes so he can be a stat jacker."

It's a Bad Joke for 3 Reasons:

3. As much as I'm a fan of Collison (UCLA Alum), New Orleans ain't giving him up after experiencing what happened to Paul last season. Luther Head isn't a 2nd option at PG. Also, Paul is predicting that he and Melo will form the next Big Flea in NY next summer. New Orleans won't part with Darren when he could be their next starting PG.

http://www.hoopsworld.com/HeadlineStories.asp?hd=20100712&lc=NBA

2. Moreover, Collison is a Run and Gun type PG. Although I believe he would learn to fit in to the Triangle, it's not the best use of his skills. NAME ONE TRUE PG THAT PHIL JACKSON HAD ON HIS 11 CHAMPIONSHIP TEAMS (AND NO, STEVE KERR, CRAIG HODGES, RON HARPER AND JOHN PAXSON WERE NOT DRIBBLE DRIVE AND DISH PGs).

1.You don't break up the core of a Championship Team, let alone a Back-to-Back Champion. To be more specific, you don't break up the greatest advantage (outside of a healthy Kobe) the Lakers have over all other teams in the league. The combined length & skill set of Pau, Drew & LO trumps the front line of any of the other 29 teams.
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Los Angeles is the place of Championships not of stat jackers. That's Alex Smith's job lol.

TOUCHE MON FRERE...
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"obviously you don't remember that. OR Derek Fisher crying after he led the Lakers to victory in Game 3"

"Moreover, "Crying... Crying... There's No Crying in Basketball"

I Guess it's True Then, "Never Let the Truth Get In The Way of a Good Joke" LOL
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"Mark B (Note that I spelled with a 'K')"

Ha Ha Ha. LMAO. Literally Peed My Pants! WOW! THAT'S GOOD!

Who Writes Your Material? ROFLMAO! No Seriously, You Must Be A Professional...
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GO KB BLITZ!!!!!!

"He never had a chance. And you can't prove to be worthy of starting playing less than 20 minutes off the bench. It's not the same thing."

Two examples: Andrew Bynum and Trevor Ariza.

Bynum got similar minutes to Kwamay Brown in the beginning of the 07-08 season when Bynum was a sub and while it took an injury to Kwamay to get Bynum to start Bynum did played well enough to not lose his starting job even when Brown got healthy again.

As for Trevor while it did take Luke to give up his starting gig there were MANY times when Trevor had not only more minutes but also was the SF in clutch situations in 08-09 even before Luke optioned to being a bench player rather than the starting SF.

Jordan has had many chances to show he could play well off the bench consistently just as Bynum and Trevor showed. The fact he only averaged only 20 minutes combined with the market not being nice to him showed that he wasn't starter ready by any means.

And now comes to the Jordan Farmar homer Todd:

"As usual, you don't give credit to any Lakers under 30. Glad you are not Lakers GM or they would be AARP members."

Well I'm glad you aren't the Lakers GM otherwise you would have traded Kobe long time ago.....put LO as the MVP of the Lakers....and saying Crap like Jordan is the best PG of the league.

Your best decision simply would be worst than the worst of my decisions

"Farmar didn't have a chance with the Lakers due to Phil's preference for Fisher. There was NOTHING Farmar , Brown or Sasha could do to expand their role."

Except be like Bynum or Trevor and show WHY they were deserving of minutes. Sasha earned minutes in fact in 07-08 that was helped by Trevor's injury. Had Trevor Ariza not been injured he would have been the go to SF.

Sasha shot bricks in 08-09 and his spot was taken by Brown so be hating on Shannon on why Sasha didn't get minutes.

Jordan had all the chances he could get to consistently prove he could be starter material. The fact that he didn't showed that he wasn't as consistent as Bynum or Ariza could have.

"Is Fisher the worst in the NBA? No"
Wow a compliment considering you were clowning Fisher was the worst less than 2 months ago!

"However, there are many other PGs that would make the Lakers better.
Steve Blake is an upgrade. "

he's 30 I thought you didn't want 30 year old men? Kidding aside finally any sense of logic from you. Blake is an upgrade over Farmar that's for sure. Over Fisher is still debatable as he hasn't been in this offense yet.

The LO is the MVP crap, Kobe sucks crap, Jordan Farmar is the best PG in the league crap only shows how your BBall IQ is terribly low.

"I Bleed Purple and Gold"


"True but Sasha has shown that he is a turnover machine waiting to happen when he tries to play the piont."


Dude, we've got Steve Blake now. He had something like 20 assists his last game with the Clippers. The guy is the perfect addition.


Ebanks will fill the role of Adam Morrison. We need someone to fill the role of Powell or Mbenga. I say Craig Smith is the guy.


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GO LAKERS!!!

Magia32,


"I resign."


Hilarious.


Wouldn't that be the most awesome thing ever? If the goblin that is Darth Stern simply walked up to the podium and stated, "In response to 'The Decision' I have one comment: I resign. Thank you very much."


And then just walked off stage.


Perfect.


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Marc B with a 'C'.

That post was for Laker Tom. My apologies if it seemed was directed towards you.

Though the Derek Fisher crying part and Kobe crying part that was directed for you LOL. You can be emotional on the court those two were and are champions for it.

Jonk

I guarantee Darth stern is NOT happy with the crabs handling of the "decision".. It just put a permanent mark on his legacy and is a big blackeye for the nba... Bad for nba $$$.. Very bad... Maybe now kobe will start gettin more whistles..

LTLF

Don't mean to nitpick but you said " devin harris shot 40% last season and 28% on 3 ptrs. So I wouldnt say he's a lock to keep the starting spot".. To me that's pretty clear you suggested he can take the starting spot injury or not.. And yes wish we had tony douglas.. :)


>>> If we will follow all his prescriptions in evaluating players, Lakers will not
>>>win any Championship.

Don't even THINK of comparing me to Mike T.

There's a difference between hyping that a complete flop of a player (Kwame Brown) is the key to winning championships, as Mike T wanted us to believe and defending that the 8th and 9th best players on the team aren't as bad as some people make them out to be (which is my M.O.).

I defend Luke and Jordan, but I don't claim that either are the key to the Lakers winning championships. In fact, I just posted a few minutes ago that I agreed with Phil's decision to keep Fisher as starter (and note that I was ALSO DEFENDING FISHER when people were talking smack about him).

Anyone with half a brain knows that Kobe and Pau are the true keys to this team winning championships right now. On the next tier, Bynum, Artest, and Odom could make it much easier or much harder, depending on how well they perform. And everyone else are role players. The more they succeed, the easier they make it for Kobe & Pau.

>>>LTLF, I Bow & Tip My Hat to Your BB Wisdom...

Actually, in this case, it wasn't wisdom, but just a lucky guess.

I did try to look it up, but I couldn't find anything specific one way or another. Thanks for going to the source and picking out the specific details.

I Know we got steve blake but someone said they want sasha as the back up point. wich i dont think sasha can be.

Sorry KB...

Bynum did not get a chance to BE the starter while Kwame was here.

Trevor did not get a chance to BE the starter until Luke requested it.

Fisher was still here, never requested it, and therefore, Farmar never got a chance to BE the starter (or play starter minutes) even last season when Fisher was laying eggs night after night.

>>>"YOU CAN HEAD SOUTH, BUT YOUR MOM IS RIDING WEST!"

Stay classy, Cleveland

"I Bleed Purple and Gold",


Sasha is better at shooting guard than the point, methinks.


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Jordan Farmar was the strating point guard and the leader of the bruins that went to Finals Championship in 2006.


JF's career has done in four years with 3 trips to the NBA Finals as a valuable bench player and contrubutor.


He is still only 23 years old and has not had a CHANCE to show his full potential playing alongside Fisher and Kobe with Phil Jackson's triangle offense.


I have no doubt Jordan's confidnece will sky rocket playing with a lesser talented roster and a team trying to build just to get to the playoffs. It is a perfect fit for him, his age, his championship experience much needed in NJ, his skills yet fully reahed its potential, a system that fits him well and a PG coach that understands his skills.


He has helped the Lakers and I wish him well.

Exactly jon k that is what I am saying. I love the addition of Blaker we just need to bring back Fish. Sasha can stay being a back up for Kobe at the SG position altough I wouldnt mind an upgrade there but unlikely to happen. Love the kid Ebanks for what he has shown me thus far and can be a great defensive sf/sg coming off the bench for us. Now who would be Bynums back up??

"I Bleed Purple and Gold",


"Now who would be Bynums back up??"


I like Craig Smith, particularly because he can also play power forward. The guy is a beast. There's a reason he's called The Rhino. He just rolls over people. Him and Caracter would add a lot of depth; however, neither of them have Mbenga's length and as they say, "You can't teach length."


What do we play for? RINGS!!!


Lakers Today... Lakers Tomorrow... Lakers Forever.


GO LAKERS!!!

KB Blitz,

>>>while it took an injury to Kwamay to get Bynum to start Bynum did played
>>>well enough to not lose his starting job even when Brown got healthy again.

Okay, but don't gloss over this.

Kwamay got injured and thus Bynum got a chance to start.

Farmar never had that break. If Fisher had gotten injured and been out for a month, perhaps Farmar would have played well enough to keep the starting job as well.

But it didn't happen. Fisher started 82 games each of the last 3 seasons. So Farmar didn't get the same chance that Bynum got.

That is the argument I'm making. Bynum got a chance to start and proved that he's a legitimate starter. Farmar did NOT get a chance to start.

"This not good for the NBA as a business.


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Posted by: Jon K. | July 12, 2010 at 11:23 AM
"

What about the salary dump deals that contending teams pull off at mid-season? Do you think those are good for basketball?

Bay to LA,


"What about the salary dump deals that contending teams pull off at mid-season? Do you think those are good for basketball?"


Ummm... no, I do not.


Oh, and by the way, the Clippers dumping Marcus Camby for two players that are no longer on their roster and who sucked was just another example of why it is so frustrating to be a Clippers fan.


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KB Blitz, No Problemo. You understand that I had to respond. My rep and all.

The "Crying in Basketball" was a Joke. But I was also basking in Nash's grief. Not exactly a fan after some comments he made back when he was a Dallas Mud-Duck.
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LTLF, You're Welcome Sir... Anytime...
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GO LAKERS!!!!!! ONE, TWO, THREE-PEAT SQUARED!!!!!!

Luke had an early big contribution to the Lakers before he made his big money, when guys like Odom were always injured back then, WALTON STEPPED UP and played well as a starting SF. With a line up of Mihm 5m, Kwame 9m, Odom 14m, Bryant and Smush, Walton was more effective than the starting frontline and was the glue guy that made it work. This is also the reason Walton got his 5 mil ocntract, the only problem with that was it was 6 years, should have been 4 years. After that Sasha got only 3 years and Brown two.


Walton's contract came in before Fisher and Gasol's time. I am not defending Walton as he has not given anything to the Lakers the last two years, but back then he was the Lakers second best player, because Odom was always injured and Walton stepped up as the 2nd most consistent player in the triangle.


>>>Jordan has had many chances to show he could play well off the bench
>>>consistently just as Bynum and Trevor showed.

But as you pointed out, Kwame's injury led to Bynum getting a chance to start and then he proved he was worthy of keeping the job. And Walton gave Trevor his starting spot and Trevor proved he was worthy of keeping the job. Both Trevor and Andrew got the chance. Farmar did not.

And there were months when Farmar was playing much better than Fisher. When he was hitting a higher percentage of his shots than Fisher or making more assists per minute he was on the floor than Fisher. But Phil stuck with Fish. Fish didn't get injured and Fish didn't volunteer to go to the bench to give Jordan Farmar a shot, so Farmar didn't get a chance to start.

>>>The fact he only averaged only 20 minutes combined with the market not
>>>being nice to him showed that he wasn't starter ready by any means.

4 million a year is not nice? So far, the reported best offer that Fisher has received has been 2.5 million for a single year. There may be better offers, but they haven't been reported yet. So if your argument is that the market indicates who's most qualified to be a starter, then Jordan is more qualified to start than Fisher to this point.

And wrt the 20 minutes - how much a coach decides to play a player is affected by many things. With Phil, he clearly prefers to play veterans. And his team the last few seasons were always championship contenders. So why should he mess with a formula that works.

There are other coaches that would have looked at Derek Fisher shooting less than 40% from December through March, while Farmar shot 43% in December, 48% in January, 49% in February, and they would have said, "let's give the young guy a chance to start." But Phil just tends to stick with the veteran, through thick and thin. And with as many rings as he has, can you blame him?

Maybe if Phil would have given Jordan the starting job in February, the Lakers would have kicked it up a notch and went through the playoffs 4-4-4-4. Maybe they'd have lost in the first round. But since Phil didn't give Jordan the starting job, we'll never know.

Jon K,

Your outrage...
is SPECTACULAR.

This all reminds me of when W was about to invade Iraq and everyone KNEW he was running his own agenda but he made up some stories and
--everyone got silent and passive... and allowed the momentum of his grandiose fantasy to happen...

Point is.. right now, THE COMMISSIONER HAS NO CLOTHES!
..and there's muttering, but you are correct to shout it out..
James Hillman says we don't have outrage anymore --we have inrage.

If we stay silent when something terrible is happening.. it's like we ingest it and become part of it.. and we become less because we've agreed with our silence to the corruption..

These kinds of hideous lies are insulting. That's why a lot of young people walk around enraged half the time...

Rage is the appropriate response to deep insults to the soul.

Jon K., Craig Smith is 6-7, so he can't learn lenght.
Who is the Smith you're talking about?

re: Jordan Farmar starting.

2006-2007 Jordan Farmar is given the starting pg position for the last 2 games
and the 5 games in the playoffs.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/f/farmajo01.html

re: Jordan Farmar starting.

2006-2007 Jordan Farmar is given the starting pg position for the last 2 games
and the 5 games in the playoffs.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/f/farmajo01.html

Fish is as good as back as no team will offer him 5 a year at his age & diminishing skills. Abnd didn't hye return for his daughter's health ? I thank God is daughter is doing better, but after all, her dr's are here; apparently.

Farmar should get down on his knees & thank the good Lord above there is a team willing to overpay him & I don't see any rings anytime soon there! But then the Lakers way overpaid for LO!

I still feel the Lakers should have made a bigger play for Miller as they still lack a pure shooter of the bench - heck, I would trade Odom in the beat of a heart for a sniper of a SG !

Shannon has showns flashes but not consistent enough, tho' at his age, I think I would keep him.

>>>Except be like Bynum or Trevor and show WHY they were deserving of minutes

Not hard to show that you're better than Kwame.

And as for Trevor, the reason Luke suggested that they move him to the starting role was that he was struggling offensively with the bench. Just to pull in a little bit of stats, in his last 5 games before Trevor took over as starter, he was shooting 22% from the field. Not exactly numbers that scream "MAKE ME A STARTER.".

By putting Trevor in the lineup with Kobe, Pau, et al, he got a lot more wide open shots. And his shooting dramatically improved (over his next 5 games, he hit 60% of his shots).

I conjecture that the same would have been the case for Jordan, if he'd have been injected into the starting lineup. It's a lot easier to get assists when three of the guys you're passing to are Kobe, Pau, and Bynum most of the time. And with those three guys all getting double teamed, he would have gotten more open shots and more open lanes to the basket as well.

But it's all conjecture. Jordan did not get a chance to start, so we don't know how he would have done.

And I'm not saying I'm sure he would have been better than Fisher. I really don't know. But it would have been nice if we could have found out.

Darren Collison, Westbrook, Rondo, Jennings, Jrue Holiday, are all ahead of Farmar already in their career, yet coming out of college Farmar was ahead of them. FARMAR has not had the break these guys had. But with TWO rings and 3 championship experiences, he has not done bad at all.


He just had a different route so to speak, but it does not mean he is a lesser player than those above.


The only difference Farmar has never been given starter's minutes, not even bench role with solid back up minutes, that could be very frustrating and Farmar has handled it very well. He did not disrupt the chemistry of the team. I believe AJ will play Farmar and Harris together at times, Like AJ played Terry and Harris.


The only issue is AJ is a defenive minded Coach, we'll see how farmar fit sin that regard. Other than that AJ will use Farmar's skills. Rmemebr DEVIN HARRIS was nobody off the bench, until AJ let him loose. He could do the same thing for Farmar.

Just close the door. Work out a deal. Sign.

Everyone's a diva in the NBA.

Talking about Fisher.

Well anyway, it should be fun when NJ plays the Lakers and Farmar goes up against Fish and his old gang.

>>>I like Craig Smith, particularly because he can also play power forward

I like him as well. But Caracter might actually provide the team with exactly what Smith would provide. Not sure yet - there's a big difference between Summer League play and real NBA play.

I think the Lakers need at least one more guy who's 6'11" or taller. Could be MBenga. Could be a vet who wants a ring. Doesn't matter a whole lot as they won't get a whole lot of minutes, but a decent competent defender with size is good enough.

Right now I'm guessing that the Lakers will keep both Caracter and Ebanks on the roster for the season - both for saving money and for giving them a chance to show that their summer league prowess is not a fluke.

So that puts the Lakers roster to this:

C - Bynum, Gasol
PF - Gasol, Odom, Caracter
SF - Artest, Ebanks, Walton
SG - Bryant, Vujacic
PG - [Fisher], Blake

Assuming Fish does re-sign, they could really use one more guard and one backup center. And if they get those, then that gets the roster size up to 13, which is the minimum.

As for the other guard, I think Raja Bell's going to one of the Florida teams. Maybe Shannon. If he goes for more money, maybe Ibrahim Jaaber or DJ Strawberry. I've been reasonably impressed with Jaaber in summer league, but again, that doesn't necessarily prove anything.

>>>2006-2007 Jordan Farmar is given the starting pg position for the last 2
>>>games and the 5 games in the playoffs.

Yes he was.

With Lamar Odom playing with a torn labrum, and Luke Walton playing on a hobbled ankle, and Kwame Brown as the starting center.

The Lakers won the last two games of the season with Jordan starting. In each game, he shot 50% and got 3 assists and no turnovers (24 and 28 minutes - not the sort of minutes that Fish gets).

Phoenix was much deeper and more talented (and less injured) and thus beat the Lakers in 5. Jordan did start all 5 games, but only got 30+ minutes of playing time in the first game, when he hit 44% of his shots for 9 points, with 2 rebounds, 2 assists, 2 steals and 1 turnover. One of the games, he only played 12 minutes. So even when Phil did briefly give him the reins, he kept him on a short leash.

I doubt Fisher would have done any better given the circumstances.

We cant have Gasol and Bryant playing so many minutes like they did last year period! We cant have that again so we need a legit back up for Bynum. DJ is alright with me but obviously PJ doesnt play him. So maybe a vet like Kurt Thomas? And for Bryant, Sasha is really inconsistent he needs to step it up or a legit back up is a must.

>>>Darren Collison, Westbrook, Rondo, Jennings, Jrue Holiday, are all ahead
>>>of Farmar already in their career, yet coming out of college Farmar was
>>>ahead of them.

Well, there are a couple of things here.

First of all, they were all drafted higher than Farmar.

Second, every one of those guys either went into a situation where there was no clear starting PG (Westbrook, Rondo, Jennings, Holiday) or where the starting PG became injured giving them a chance (Collison). For the last 3 years, Farmar has been buried on the bench behind Fisher.

If Rondo had come to the Lakers and had been backing up Fisher on the bench, HE might have had no chance to shine like he has. But instead, he got a chance to play with 3 superstars who draw a lot of attention away from him and thus make his game easier.

And by the way, you left out a lot of PGs. How bout Ty Lawson? How bout some love for Jerryd Bayless. Neither of them is the starter yet, but they may get there as well.

All the superstars should fired their agents cuz they gonna do the negotiating amongst themselves anyway.
Kobe, Dwight, and Carmelo is gonna get together next year and decide to play in L.A.

LAKERS 3-PEAT,4-PEAT, 5-PEAT,...heck maybe even REPEAT every years from now on.

Imgagine the possibilities.

um... Fish is officially back.


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