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Caught in the Web: Update on Shannon Brown negotiations

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Housekeeping note: There will be a chat Friday at 10:30 a.m.

-- Lakers forward Ron Artest interviews himself in ESPN The Magazine.

-- CBSSports.com's Ken Berger reports that "the Knicks have extended an offer to Shannon Brown and are waiting to hear whether the Lakers' free-agent guard will take it or wait for L.A. to make room to re-sign him by trading Sasha Vujacic.

-- ESPN Los Angeles' Brian Kamenetzky explains how the Lakers have become tougher.

-- Sports Illustrated's Chris Mannix predicts that Lamar Odom will play multiple positions for Team USA in the FIBA World Championships.

-- ESPN Los Angeles' Dave McMenamin reports that discussions with the New York Knicks and Brown remain "ongoing." McMenamin also mentions the Lakers and Cavaliers are other possible options.

-- Fox Sports' Charley Rosen analyzes what a Lakers-Heat NBA Finals matchup would look like.

-- NBA.com's John Schuhmann mentions that Odom will play mostly at center for Team USA

-- Lakers.com's Mike Trudell talks with ESPN's Matthew Berry about the team's off-season.

-- NBA.com features Kobe Bryant's visit to China in the video below.

-- Forum Blue and Gold's Phillip argues health will be the biggest factor for the Lakers next season.

-- Silver Screen and Roll's DexterFishmore critiques how the Lakers are depicted in the new NBA Jam.

Tweet(s) of the Day: "I just interviewed the RUDEST nanny ever. It's crackin me up! She grilled me 4 10 min then got SO offended when I asked about her experience... like I should just know that she is some kinda crazy super nanny. she was super alright...super somethin else! haha. oh well. #interviewfail -- kristenblake2 (Kristen Blake, wife of Lakers guard Steve Blake)

Reader Comment of the Day: "It's too bad that the Lakers gave Sasha the contract that they did, he really is a solid player, just not 5 million-type solid. It is hard to justify paying Ron Artest, Matt Barnes, and Derek Fisher what they do, and then keeping Sasha. They also jumped the gun on Luke, so here is to hoping that we can trade Sasha for a quality shooter, or yet another defensive presence at a much lower cost." -- TNTLakerFan

--Mark Medina

mgmedin@gmail.com

Photo: Lakers guard Shannon Brown remains in negotiations with the team. Credit: Gus Ruelas / Associated Press.

 
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Keep both, shelve Luke for the year.

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Good morning crew! Sasha or UPS? Since it seems to be coming down to the $$ trade away Sasha. I would love to keep both because I think they both bring needed skillsets and would provide some different looks against other teams. However, I don't like Sasha's attitude.

Cheers - PLG

[Re-post from end of previous thread. Scroll on if you've already read it.]

I'm sure you woke up early this morning just to read the daily snark on LeBron James. Here's today's headline: LeBron James Flips Off Hometown DJ.

All the guy wanted was a photo with "The King." His plea for the photo-opp was a simple, "Akron still loves you."

If you wish to read on for the sordid details, watch a video report, and see a photo of the flip-off, here's the link:

http://huff.to/9PJONp

I ask you, apart from James' brawn and motor skills, what's appealing about this guy? He defined himself by refusing to shake hands after the Orlando Magic spanked his team in the playoffs. He misled the Cav's owner into thinking the team had a chance to retain him, all the while colluding to obtain something else. He chose his own interviewer for an ESPN special that bored America to tears. He partied like a rock star in Vegas, then leaned on ESPN to spike an undercover story by its own reporter. Then flips-off a hometown fan who only wants to take a photo with him. And he's still David Stern's poster boy for the NBA. Go figure!

Steve Blake's wife is starting to remind me of Glen Rice's wife.

Note to Steve: Do something about it.

Good morning to the whole blog crew!

This blog is open for business.

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WILL IT BE A LAKERS-HEAT FINALS?
Don't sleep on Boston, but I like Miami in the East. It would be an honor to face the Heat. I'll take LeBron. Kobe's on Wade. Gasol's got Bosh. It'll come down to Andrew Bynum. If he's healthy, WE CAN'T BE STOPPED.


Good morning Fatty, Thanks for opening the Business!

@Rick Friedman - LBJ probably did not hesitate with the flip-off thinking that 'What happens in Vegas, stays in Vegas'

That is definitely quote of the year. Ron, you are the mf man, next to the mf man, next to the mf man! lol.

Good Morning, Rick Friedman you Classy guy you, Psyched Laker Girl, if you're Psyched then I'm Psyched as well. Fatty, if you're Fat...I'M NOT! LMAO! PLEASE Fatty no more Camels fleas they charge a fortune to eradicate those things!! Otis put that bottle down NOW! Scottie Pimpin are you still No Tippin PIppen! Lol! Hey There Jim Joyce. Good Morning Mamba24...Oh that's me! Well If Ron Ron can interview himself I can say Good Morning to myself.

MM...

1. I will miss live chat today as I am taking wifey to San Diego this weekend for a special Birthday getaway. (Thanks again to the bandwagon of greetings for her! It was a highlite of her cards when she opened mine with those tucked inside!)

2. I know that Kobe, Pau, Drew, and Lamar are in salary ranges higher than others on the team. But for the sake of comparison, could you list players name and salary from highest to lowest (Lakers roster) so we can do a comparison on value? I would appreciate it.

3. My vote is to keep Shannon Since the triangle is famously difficult to absorb, it might not be a bad idea to see if a couple of years of studies proves to blossom.

4. LAKERTOM & HOBBITMAGE: I say this with a spirit of respect for you both. You both are wonderful contributors to this blog. For the sake of the many here who enjoy reading what you have to say, could you please...
a. Try to be nice to each other,,,
b. IF you cannot be nice to each other, then don't say anything to each other
c. Suspend your debate on Bynum until an agreed upon time when you both feel enough new statistical data on '10-'11 season will be sufficient to continue the debate.

Again, to lose either of yours' input due to a frustrating dispute between you would be OUR LOSS. If your maturity in dealing with this is only half of your B-Ball savy and intelligence, you will have more than enough of what is needed. I have NO DOUBT you both will do what is right.

Mike

That is definitely quote of the year. Ron, you are the mf man, next to the mf man, next to the mf man! lol. Posted by: raiderlaker1980 | July 30, 2010 at 07:26 AM
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Why stop at that next to the MF man, next to the MF man,....!
OOH WEEEEE!!!! That's why we are THE FREAKIN LA LAKERS...We can talk ISH and back it up! DAMMMMN I'M PUMPED!!! Thanks Ron Ron!!!

Again, to lose either of yours' input due to a frustrating dispute between you would be OUR LOSS. If your maturity in dealing with this is only half of your B-Ball savy and intelligence, you will have more than enough of what is needed. I have NO DOUBT you both will do what is right.
Mike Posted by: LakerMike | July 30, 2010 at 07:28 AM
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GOD%%$#@#@$^%&&...OUT FREAKIN STANDING SIR!!!!

Three people who can make the Lakers better: DHoward, Durant and DWilliams.

Sign already, Shannon. You're not in that class. Pick a team, any team. As my mom always use to ask "You got a job yet, boy?". In puddle's world you're homeless.

Don't sleep on Boston, but I like Miami in the East. It would be an honor to face the Heat. I'll take LeBron. Kobe's on Wade. Gasol's got Bosh. It'll come down to Andrew Bynum. If he's healthy, WE CAN'T BE STOPPED.

Posted by: MAMBA24 | July 30, 2010 at 07:18 AM
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Interesting thought.
Those three Heat players are are very good, arguably equal players.
Where I think the Lakers get the edge is emotional, mental toughness and the experience of what it takes to win a Finals and that will be enough to put them over the top. And a healthy Drew it widens the gap between the two teams.

Mamba -

If Ron is right and we make it to the Finals to play Miami....

Then who would you rather have to guard Wade when Kobe is on the bench, Sasha or Shannon?

Let's see, if Ron takes on Lebron, Kobe takes on Wade, and Pau guards Bosh, then that leaves you Mamba and Fatty to take on the Miami cheerleaders.

Its a tough job, but I think we would be up to the task.

Let's see, if Ron takes on Lebron, Kobe takes on Wade, and Pau guards Bosh, then that leaves you Mamba and Fatty to take on the Miami cheerleaders. Its a tough job, but I think we would be up to the task.Posted by: Fatty | July 30, 2010 at 07:37 AM
OH SWEET JESUS!! You know you got to get a....OUT FREAKIN STANDING SIR!! for that one!

@Fatty, Oh I forgot of course I'd rather have Sasha guard Wade!! I still don't Freakin see why we can't sign both! Mitch we got a Freakin Problem Here!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Good Morning Laker Fam,

Rick Friedman, nice video about the jerk LeGone Games. What is more troubling to me is that the article says that he left with LO in an Excursion afterwards. I don't think it's a good idea for LO to be associating himself with this guy. I mean, a man can hang out with whoever he wants, but people need to choose their friends more carefully. Here is the link again in case people miss the one Rick put up. Thanks Rick.

http://www.fox8.com/news/wjw-king-txt,0,780109.story

And a healthy Drew it widens the gap between the two teams.
Posted by: Art - FL Lakers Fan | July 30, 2010 at 07:37 AM

NOW THAT'S WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT!!!! Excellent Analysis my brother!

Mamba -

If Ron is right and we make it to the Finals to play Miami....

Then who would you rather have to guard Wade when Kobe is on the bench, Sasha or Shannon?

I say neither.. put Steve Blake on him. Sashas' feet are too slow, and Shannons defensive brain is too slow. Blake is somewhere in the middle, as he has a high IQ,and is an uderated athelete. Just one mans' take...

I don't think it's a good idea for LO to be associating himself with this guy. I mean, a man can hang out with whoever he wants, but people need to choose their friends more carefully. Here is the link again in case people miss the one Rick put up. Thanks Rick. Posted by: Nemaia Faletogo | July 30, 2010 at 07:46 AM
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Mamba24/Larry

I say neither.. put Steve Blake on him. Sashas' feet are too slow, and Shannons defensive brain is too slow. Blake is somewhere in the middle, as he has a high IQ,and is an uderated athelete. Just one mans' take...Posted by: raiderlaker1980 | July 30, 2010 at 07:54 AM
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OK OK so you know more about basketball than me! Lol! You're absolutely right I had forgot all about we had Blake on the Team! You know if you stop and think about it we got one dangerous @zz Team!! If and when we get to the Finals I pity the Fools that have to face us. OH THE HUMANITY!!! Just give us the Title Now. This ISH is OVER!!!! We The Freakin LA Lakers & we play for Rings & Rings only which is why Teams FEAR us!!!!! YESSSSSSSSSSS!

Sign already, Shannon. You're not in that class. Pick a team, any team. As my mom always use to ask "You got a job yet, boy?". In puddle's world you're homeless.Posted by: p ang | July 30, 2010 at 07:35 AM
ROTFLMFAO!!! OH SWEET JESUS!!! STOP IT! STOP IT NOW!!!

LOL Mamba, nooooway, I would never even think of putting myself in the know too much category, we do have such dangerous team it's easy to forget certain people from time to time, that's the beauty of this team man, we just won two rings handicapped, a whole team!? lol

we just won two rings handicapped, a whole team!? Posted by: raiderlaker1980 | July 30, 2010 at 08:19 AM
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Now that right there is a Quote of the week! Can you imagine what other teams will be thinking if we stroll into the Finals in full health. Aw man this ISH is unfair. I'm sorry but I'm going to say it again, If we stay healthy they may as well give The Lakers their 17Th right now cause...THIS ISH IS OVER!! Why? Tell them JUSTA...WE GOT THIS!!!!! OHHHHHHHHHHHHH WEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!

WE GOT THIS.


Nothing but another title will suffice - Kobe Bryant

Let the hunt for 6 begin - D.Fish

I think that pretty much sums up where the Lakers stand.


Good Morning Lakers Blog!!

I love logging in and seeing all the people who love the Lakers as much as I do! You guys make my day.

"Those three Heat players are are very good, arguably equal players.
Where I think the Lakers get the edge is emotional, mental toughness and the experience of what it takes to win a Finals and that will be enough to put them over the top. And a healthy Drew it widens the gap between the two teams.

Posted by: Art - FL Lakers Fan | July 30, 2010 at 07:37 AM "


I have to agree with you Art. Wade has experience in the finals, obviously, as does to a smaller extent LBJ. They'll be good, no doubt. But the Lakers have chemistry, cohesiveness, experience, and just as many great players as the Heat. We've improved our bench. We're hungry for a three peat, especially in the last year of the greatest coach in NBA history's career. There's a lot to motivate us above and beyond the thought of a good Miami team.

As for Sasha vs Brown? UPS, hands down.

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Good morning Laker Family.

Good morning Laker Family. Posted by: Gilbert Battung | July 30, 2010 at 08:33 AM
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NOW!!! The day has officially started we have a Gilbert Battung sighting. Good Morning sir! Always glad to hear from you! But Gilbert no poetry, no haiku? Look I know you're Gilbert Freakin Battung and all but you could of bought a crumb to us! Just playing with you bro. you know I don't mean no harm. Go out there and make it the best day of your life my brother!
Mamba24/Larry

I just can't do it. I want them both.

PLEASE don't make us choose between Sasha & Shannon.

It's like having to choose between chocolate & peanut butter.


It's like having to choose between getting chocolate wasted or vanilla wasted.


It's like being a guy and having to choose between Ginger and MaryAnn (or so I'm told).


It's like having to choose between a home Kobe jersey or an away Kobe jersey.

OH THE HUMANITY. A girl could lose her mind considering such things....


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Posted by: longtimelakerlover | July 30, 2010 at 08:32 AM
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OOOOOOH WEEEEEEE! They say that LongTimeLakerLover is a BADDDDD Mother, shut your mouth! But I'm just talking about LongTimeLakerLover, Then we can dig! Talk that stuff Sister!!

It's like having to choose between The Matrix and Inception.

A blog divided against itself cannot stand.

So it's settled.... keep Sasha. He has ice veins and fits well with the system. It doesn't hurt that he'll make a whole lot less next year. Whereas UPS wants to be overpaid.

LO hanging out with LBJ is a bad idea.

The only thing "bad" about Kobe was a false rape charge and an accurate adulterer charge. He also caught ALL of the bad press regarding Snaq food. When his team sucked, he complained publicly. Aside from this, the guy has been pretty upright and a decent guy. LBJ, on the other hand, has not been falsely accused and Snaq food kept his mouth shut when they were teammates. But everywhere he goes he just keeps pissing people off left and right.

Talent, fame, and money will corrupt the corruptible. LBJ is living proof of that.

It's like having to choose between The Matrix and Inception.
Posted by: justanothermambafan | July 30, 2010 at 08:42 AM
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What Cha talkin bout Justa Lol! Two sides of the same coin. Of course now that I have had further time to reflect upon it...The Matrix comes out on top by a nose. So Good Morning to you.
Mamba24/Larry

Good Morning All...

Hope you have a wonderful and productive day...

Talent, fame, and money will corrupt the corruptible. LBJ is living proof of that. Posted by: Tim-4-Show | July 30, 2010 at 08:45 AM
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GOD@$^%^$##&** Another Freakin Quote of the Week! Lol!

Why are so many players here vouching for Brown?? Because he was a "steal", or because of his high-flying dunks??

Beyond dunks, what is Brown's game?? Its close to a zero. All Brown does is thunderous dunks, or over-dribble. He is not a defender, nor a good 3-pt shooter.

Sasha - pesky defender, good 3-pt shooter, and dependable FT shooter!! He commits silly fouls, or can get carried away...

However, when you compare Brown vs Sasha, compare their game - not how much they cost etc. etc, and that will show you - Sasha wins hands down!!

Good Morning All...Hope you have a wonderful and productive day...Posted by: LEWSTRS | July 30, 2010 at 08:46 AM

Good Morning Lewstrs how are you sir. I'm still on vacation so I don'tr know how productive my day will be. As for wonderful...I'm working on that! Lol! You have the same Lewstrs!

It's like having to choose between chocolate & peanut butter.

It's like having to choose between getting chocolate wasted or vanilla wasted.

It's like being a guy and having to choose between Ginger and MaryAnn (or so I'm told)

It's like having to choose between a home Kobe jersey or an away Kobe jersey.
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justa,

That was really good, kinda how I feel, they are both good and bad in different ways. But Sahsa is easily the better blogger.

Buenos dias herman@s Lakerholic@s!!
Be happy, because we have the best team, we have enough health to be at least lurking around here, and WE ARE THE REIGNING CHAMPIONS!!

It's like having to choose between getting chocolate wasted or vanilla wasted.Posted by: justanothermambafan | July 30, 2010 at 08:39 AM
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Justa with all due respect what the @@#$#%^%^^ does that line mean! Lol!

Art - agreed. Shannon the blogger sucks - cuz he's never here. LOL!

Buenos dias herman@s Lakerholic@s!! Be happy, because we have the best team, we have enough health to be at least lurking around here, and WE ARE THE REIGNING CHAMPIONS!!
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PREACH MR NANO, PREACH!!!!! YES, YES YES, Tell them Justa...WE GOT THIS!!!

What seems to have gone unnoticed, is who Lakers management is leaning more towards. Gone is Farmar, the square peg who couldn't fit in the Triangle and had attitude issues. Besides the money and luxury tax issues, Sasha is being shopped around supposedly because of attitude problems and to make room to keep Shannon Brown. So, it seems that the Lakers have made it pretty clear who they would like to keep, both for financial and character reasons, Shannon Brown. That has been the major difference between Brown, Vujacic and Farmar. Brown has demonstrated a willingness to listen, be patient and grow, while Vujacic and Farmar have complained, cried, whine, argued with coaches, had temper tantrums and bad attitudes at times. It also has helped that their game hasn't developed beyond what it is now, if anything, they've digressed. At least Brown, despite being more a dunker and spotty outside shooter, has shown a willingness to take criticism, have a great attitude and has a desire to work and improve upon his game in order to help the team. I didn't like Farmar much because thought he was better than he actually was and it reflected in his attitude and while I like Sasha, he's become nothing more than an irritant to both his own team and the opponent, which is also why he's not even playing for his national team. This is why the Lakers wait for Shannon Brown and are making moves to keep him a Laker.

Mamba24 - it's a line from the trailer for the movie Grown Ups (at least I think that's the movie).

Nemaia - I like your take on the FO's possible position on the Sasha/Brown debate. Also, I think Shannon and his people have been handling this whole thing fairly well. Yes, he took a risk to opt out, but with the all-but-certain lock-out next year, that wasn't necessarily a bad thing; but Brown & company seem to have totally kept the lines of communication open, have not done any rash moves (not that they've had much of a chance to), and have kept it civil (at least as far as the media is concerned). That usually counts for a lot. Now, if he gets a great deal from the Knicks, hey, power to him - kid's gotta eat, but I think it's been played well all the way around.

it's a line from the trailer for the movie Grown Ups (at least I think that's the movie). Posted by: justanothermambafan | July 30, 2010 at 08:59 AM

OK thank you! Carry on!

That has been the major difference between Brown, Vujacic and Farmar. Brown has demonstrated a willingness to listen, be patient and grow, while Vujacic and Farmar have complained, cried, whine, argued with coaches, had temper tantrums and bad attitudes at times. Posted by: Nemaia Faletogo | July 30, 2010 at 08:56 AM
Damn Nemaia I thought you were talking about me when you mentioned the temper tantrums, crying whining aand Arguing. ROTFLMAO!! But it was a good Post my brother!
Mamba24

Keep in mind folks, that I would love to keep both because both bring elements needed for the team to the table. But, character cannot be overstated or overemphasized here, especially when it comes to younger players. PJ and his coaching staff made a point late in the season when the benched Sasha after he blew up at an assistant coach during the Laker/Thunder game. He was then in PJ's doghouse for a little while before getting back in PJ's good graces again. Also, keep in mind that part of being banished for a while had to do with Sasha's refusal to apologize and take responsibility for his actions. No doubt that Sasha is an emotional player, but sometimes it gets the best of him to the detriment of the team. I know some may bring up Ron Artest or even Matt Barnes right now, but the difference is both Ron and Matt are veteran players who have been around t he block a few times and know when to check themselves now. Think about it, how many times did Ron blow up this season or do something stupid? Surprise, surprise. Nothing at all, unless you wanna count when he dribbled endlessly and then hoisted an ill-advised three, or shot twice early in the shot clock. The dumbest thing he did was tweet that PJ should shut up about his shot selection, which PJ calmly shut down. PJ has even had to teach Bynum some lessons because Andrew would throw up an attitude about playing time, touches or make premature, dumb remarks.

This is why Brown is valued by his mates, coaches and the FO, because he doesn't bring all that baggage with him and does whatever is asked of him. Maybe it's the same reason(s)they keep Luke around...just sayin'.

Game 7. Last few seconds left in the game. C's need to foul. PJ subs in Sasha - not Shannon - Sasha. The Machine gets fouled and DRAINS 2 crucial free throws. A few more ticks of the clock and THE LAKERS WIN!! THE LAKERS WIN!!


That's a lot of trust there.


I hope we keep them both, but you can't say you'd hate it if only Sasha stayed. Besides, the team always needs eyebrow grooming services - can't have a championship team with messy eyebrows.


Or who can forget this:

Game 5 final – Machine see ball go to Paul Pierce – cry baby – weenie man.
Machine look – intercept – leprechauns not have speed keep up with Machine.
I run speedy man to hoop - jump in sky- do a slamma jamma bing bong – machine!
Fans watch machine beauty hair flow – in slow mo –

You like Machine?
Machine out like trout!


"Then who would you rather have to guard Wade when Kobe is on the bench, Sasha or Shannon?

I say neither.. put Steve Blake on him.
Posted by: raiderlaker1980 | July 30, 2010 at 07:54 AM"

You forgot we also have Barnes now. This thought makes me so happy. So many defense-minded players now.

Hey, Mamba24.
Please put me back on the roll call. Thanks!

Or who can forget this:

Game 5 final – Machine see ball go to Paul Pierce – cry baby – weenie man.
Machine look – intercept – leprechauns not have speed keep up with Machine.
I run speedy man to hoop - jump in sky- do a slamma jamma bing bong – machine!
Fans watch machine beauty hair flow – in slow mo –

You like Machine?
Machine out like trout!
Posted by: justanothermambafan | July 30, 2010 at 09:27 A

ROTFLMAO!! OH SWEET JESUS!!! STOP IT JUSTA!! STOP IT NOW!
Everybody knows this is just a lil game Mitch is playing. We are going to end up with both of them. These are the Dog-days of suummer and all these other teams are making all these deals to try to match up with the Lakers. But since we are The Freakin LA Lakers we have no need to. Still even Laker fans demand s lil drama and activity. hence you had the Dfish drama. Now you have the Shannon Sasha drama. When it's all said and done, they will both be aboard and ready for a 3-peat run. Now settle your lil self down. Geeezzz!

justa,

Did you write that?
So, you are The Machine blogger!!
Ah ha, never woulda guessed but now I see it.

Thanks for the Matthew Barry podcast MM. I really liked it. He makes some interesting points about how it's going to be Dwane Wade taking the last shot for the Miami Heat, not LeBron, which is exactly what LeBron wanted. This is going to seriously disable his legacy. I think that LeBron has a really tough road now to ever be considered the greatest of all time, when he was really on a fast track to that title just a few months ago. But have a hard time seeing how he can ever hold that title when he chooses to put himself in a situation where another NBA player is the obvious go-to guy.


And I gotta say, I think the chances of the Heat winning it all next year are very, very slim. I just don't buy it, and this has little to do with being a lakers fan. I just do not think that a team that celebrates as much as the Heat has so far--without winning anything--has the right perspective to win it all, or even understands what it's going to take to beat a team like tha Celtics or the Lakers. I think that to actually win a ring is so amazingly difficult that it takes an almost death-like seriousness to be the one that triumphs in the end, and the LeBron and Bosh don;t seem to have any clue about this. D-Wade is acting more mature, but still, I can not see how a team that thinks it can win without playing can beat a team that is obsessed by practice and defense and the hard knocks of the game itself. I can not see how these Caligula wannabes can even get past a team like the Celtics who seem to take the game a lot more seriously.


Maybe I'm wrong.


Wes

Hey, Mamba24.Please put me back on the roll call. Thanks!
Posted by: SamLL | July 30, 2010 at 09:27 AM
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SamLL will you please smack me brother! My Bad, i don't know how it happened but I'll get right on it! Sorry again my brother.

NICE TO SEE OUR Geriatrics fans posting...hahaha

And this Matt Barnes signing makes more sense every day. Even though he won;t play too much, he's going to give us a real mean attitude off the bench, one we haven't had in a while.

If Barnes can hit 3s with regularity, I think he'll be more important to this team than some think. I wonder if he can guard Wade?

Wes

Let's hope Shannon will be re-signed, his athleticism is definitely needed on this team.

Sephy Hambaz

Art - nope - I'm a great plagerizer though...!

Hmmmmm, Sasha or UPS...I think UPS has more upside and potential..have to go with UPS, sorry Sasha..

@WESJOENIXON,...OUT FREAKIN STANDING SIR!!!! except one minor point..."This is going to seriously disable his legacy" LEGACY? LEGACY? PRINCESS JIMMY, never mention Legacy & Princess Jimmy in the same line or even Post again. Princess Jimmy has proven his only Legacy is as a failure or a hanger on. DWade might have a Legacy but...Princess Jimmy will....NEVER, EVER, NEVER, EVER, NEVER, EVER HAVE A FREAKIN LEGACY!

Enough already on the Lebron hating. I'm not excusing his egostical and rude behavior which has been well documented. But the endless "gotcha" reports on everything negative he does is becoming a bit me IMO. It reminds me of the way Kobe was treated post rape allegations and Shaq/PJ exit.

Lebron has been,is and will continue to be a GREAT player. We'll have to beat him on the court...not in the press. The good news is Ron Ron is the perfect guy to take on that challenge.

I'll tell you what princess jimmy's legacy is going to be:

When the going gets tough, the princess jumps in her Barbie convertible and takes her talents to South Beach.

what would this blog be without the 'elders"posting their two cents, cough cough cough, you hear Elizabeth, I am coming to see you!!

Wes

I too wonder if Barnes is quick enough to guard Wade. I do think however, after a beating by Ron, the perfect backup harrasment to LeBoutme or any other sf is Barnes. Now let's just say hypothetically, what IF Ebanks proves to be a useful rookie defender in camp, wow

LRob,

>>> Enough already on the Lebron hating.

Sorry, I have no intention of stopping until LeFraud is humbled. If you think he is great, you're entitled to your opinion. I'm entitled to mine. Feel free to skip over my posts.

The issue here is VALUE. The lakers have an expected payroll of 92.5M this year and that does not include signing Shannon nor the rookies. The luxury tax kicks in at 70.3M, meaning that any amount over that the Lakers have to match by paying taxes. Right now the lakers are looking at 92.5M in payroll and an additional 22M in taxes.

You can't blame them for trying to minimize expenses. As long as it does not compromise a shot at a title. Shannon and Sasha, assuming you sign SB at at least 2.5-3M a year, would equal 7.5M in salaries or 15M in total cost. Is it worth keeping them both knowing their limited roles at that price? I say NO.

And then there's Luke. Hopefully he will be medically unable to perform all season and the Lakers get a break on his contract.

I believe that the Lakers will continue to shop Sasha, and if SB signs elsewhere they will live with it. They might look for a cheaper option elsewhere. But hopefully not Delonte West. ABSOLUTELY NO TO WEST.

Rick - SNAP!! I was going to post the exact same thing.

LRob - post whatever links you can find regarding anything good the princess is doing.... We can be equal opportunity. (Just wondering - does your scroll work?)

NICE TO SEE OUR Geriatrics fans posting...hahaha

Posted by: FARSIDE | July 30, 2010 at 09:41 AM


Thanks for the greeting... don't have my AARP card (although I get application offers in the mail every-other-day!). But always nice to know their is some reverence for the creaky-knee bunch here.

Uh,, er, or was that sarcasm?
Mike

If Ken Berger's report that Shannon Brown is waiting to see if the Lakers are going to trade Sasha Vujacic's expiring contract to free up more possible signing money for him before taking the Knicks offer, then I don't get it.

Even if the Lakers move Vujacic, they still have to take back the same amount of salary to within +/- 25% (IIRC) since they are well over the salary cap.

Or is the possibility of up to a 25% gain in salary what he is looking at?

Mamba24/Larry ...thanks brother. Make it the best day of your life...yes, just being with you all in this blog makes it a great day. Hope you're enjoying your vacation with your family...hug them tight and say I Love you more..

Rick,

Wow. That's ugly. The guy says "LeBron, Cleveland still loves you" and LeBron gives him the finger.

This will be one of the defining moments of LeBron's career, I believe. I was waiting for LeBron to address his hometown fans in some way, and I guess he finally did. Creep of the year, without adoubt.

And what is Lamar doing laughing with James while this was happening? That just show's how dumb Lamar is. Come on Odom, wipe the greasy streak of fame from yourself, and get some perspective. I expected better from Lamar.

Wes

Or who can forget this:

Game 5 final – Machine see ball go to Paul Pierce – cry baby – weenie man.
Machine look – intercept – leprechauns not have speed keep up with Machine.
I run speedy man to hoop - jump in sky- do a slamma jamma bing bong – machine!
Fans watch machine beauty hair flow – in slow mo –

You like Machine?
Machine out like trout!
Posted by: justanothermambafan | July 30, 2010 at 09:27 AM

That's classic Justa!! LOL

Art:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZHeXmAHr1Sw

@NEMAIA... You make an excellent point about Shannon not making as many waves as Sasha or Jordan but I am not sure I agree that that is the main reason the Lakers may end up keeping him. While Jordan definitely was not wanted, I think the real reason why the Lakers may possibly keep Shannon and let Sasha go is money. Dropping Sasha would save $11M in salary and luxury taxes while signing Sasha would probably only add $5M.
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Talent wise, it probably doesn’t really matter whether we keep Shannon or Sasha since we’re talking about the 9th or 10th man in the rotation. Personally, I prefer Sasha because he has the potential to fill a big need on this team with his 3-point shooting. I know Shannon actually shot better but I don’t think anybody believes that he would consistently shoot a higher percentage. Anyway, it will be interesting to see how this works out.
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TOM

". I know that Kobe, Pau, Drew, and Lamar are in salary ranges higher than others on the team. But for the sake of comparison, could you list players name and salary from highest to lowest (Lakers roster) so we can do a comparison on value? I would appreciate it.

Posted by: LakerMike | July 30, 2010 at 07:28 AM"

Mike, you could go to Hoopshype.com/salaries....it breaks down by team and individuals the salaries....it lays out the contract status of a team for the years to come, currently it's a work in progress, because there is still action going on in free agency....so you have to wait until they post a players figures a few days after he's signed. I can remember during the Isiah days of the Knicks, when they were paying $125 million per year before cap penalty and it was for a cruddy team, Lakers tended to stay right near the cap, until they found themselves with two bid men who needed to be paid, and others, remember you can't blame one player for going over the cap, it's the sum of the whole team.....

Jim Joyce.....about Blake's wife, maybe she's not used to being in "the big city"....Portland and Denver are a bit different than LA, I'd bet she's a very basic and down to Earth person who happens to love her husband, what's wrong with that....would you rather have Khloe K. giving updates on Lamar on this blog?

I'd say that it looks like Shannon and Sasha are both goners now, and that they'll try to find a pg for the cheap, maybe as late as training camp cuts.....Sasha should not be that hard to trade, with an expiring contract, and the reputation of a "poor man's Mike Miller"... Ideally Brown comeas back at a reasonable sacrificial rate, and Sasha plays like "the best he's played before"...and resigns to stay in LA....he likes the attention of LA, afterall it gave him the chance to meet Sharapova, which I doubt he would have had that chance had he been playing for the T-Wolves......maybe she can comeback and win a few million, so the sting of a low contract for him would not hurt so much, if he is resigned next year, and he marries her...

The thing about the Miami Heat is that there truly is only one ball in play at a time....I think that will hurt them more than any other team, people talk about the big 3, and the decent surrounding cast (Miller, House, etc.)....but really there IS only one ball.

The Lakers don't have to take +/ 25 % of Sasha's salary if he goes to a team that is under the Cap. It only applies to teams that are over the Cap.


They can get "future considerations" or a draft pick from a team under the CAP and thus dump his whole contract obligation. A $10.9M savings.

oops, I meant SG in referring to Brown and Sasha, although both can do an impersonation of a PG.....

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I FREAKING HATE PRINCESS JIMMY - BANDWAGON
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(01) RICK FRIEDMAN - OWNER – I ask you, apart from James' brawn and motor skills, what's appealing about this guy? He defined himself by refusing to shake hands after the Orlando Magic spanked his team in the playoffs. He misled the Cav's owner into thinking the team had a chance to retain him, all the while colluding to obtain something else. He chose his own interviewer for an ESPN special that bored America to tears. He partied like a rock star in Vegas, then leaned on ESPN to spike an undercover story by its own reporter. Then flips-off a hometown fan who only wants to take a photo with him. And he's still David Stern's poster boy for the NBA. Go figure!
(02) JUSTANOTHERMAMBAFAN – DRIVER - I'll tell you what princess jimmy's legacy is going to be: When the going gets tough, the princess jumps in her Barbie convertible and takes her talents to South Beach.
(03) TIM-4-SHOW RIDING SHOTGUN - everywhere he goes he just keeps pissing people off left and right. Talent, fame, and money will corrupt the corruptible. LBJ is living proof of that.
(04) NEMAIA FALETOGO – SECURITY - What is more troubling to me is that the article says that he left with LO in an Excursion afterwards. I don't think it's a good idea for LO to be associating himself with this guy. I mean, a man can hang out with whoever he wants, but people need to choose their friends more carefully.
(05) MAMBA24 – Princess Jimmy will....NEVER, EVER, NEVER, EVER, NEVER, EVER HAVE A FREAKIN LEGACY!
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MrNano,

Thanks for the link, somehow I had missed that one, funny.

I'll tell you what princess jimmy's legacy is going to be:
When the going gets tough, the princess jumps in her Barbie convertible and takes her talents to South Beach. Posted by: justanothermambafan | July 30, 2010 at 09:47 AM
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GOD$$#^%$#!!! Another candidate for post of the week! LMAO!

Mamba24, Justa, Wes, Nemaia, Tim, and the rest of the tribe,

Thanks for the bandwagon. Wooohoooooo! TGIF.

Is Ron's interview the funniest ever? I can't think of a better one that I've read.

The questions were perfect, and the answers were even better. He somehow showed just how he's both arrogant and humble. He's both insanely talented and insecure. He's angry and at peace. He's smart and foolish. Above all, he's very thoughtful and introspective and impulsive.

Ron Artest is dichotomy.

Osama Bin Ron, as insults go, this one is pretty good.

That interview is amazing. Also, his greatest quote, "I have no problem following somebody who's worth being followed" should be required reading.

Thanks for the link, MM.

--FEARless

"This is why Brown is valued by his mates, coaches and the FO, because he doesn't bring all that baggage with him and does whatever is asked of him. Maybe it's the same reason(s)they keep Luke around...just sayin'.

Posted by: Nemaia Faletogo | July 30, 2010 at 09:12 AM"

Sorry to be sarcastic, but it's that albatross contract of his that keeps him around....still like 3 years @ an average of 5.6 million per year......I really wonder if there is a way to trade him...probably not. Not wishing bad luck/Karma upon him, but the only way the Lakers could get out of it would be if his back were so bad that he was forced to retire. Then the league would give the Lakers some credit back, I can't remember if it's full, or partial, but whatever they would get back would be $2 for the $1, because they are over the cap. If he were to retire, he could probably easily transition into broadcasting or coaching (lower level assistant to start)....so his gravy train does not end at the end of his playing days, just his glory days....

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I FREAKING HATE PRINCESS JIMMY - BANDWAGON
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(01) RICK FRIEDMAN - OWNER – I ask you, apart from James' brawn and motor skills, what's appealing about this guy? He defined himself by refusing to shake hands after the Orlando Magic spanked his team in the playoffs. He misled the Cav's owner into thinking the team had a chance to retain him, all the while colluding to obtain something else. He chose his own interviewer for an ESPN special that bored America to tears. He partied like a rock star in Vegas, then leaned on ESPN to spike an undercover story by its own reporter. Then flips-off a hometown fan who only wants to take a photo with him. And he's still David Stern's poster boy for the NBA. Go figure!
(02) JON K – CO/OWNER -
(03) JUSTANOTHERMAMBAFAN – DRIVER - I'll tell you what princess jimmy's legacy is going to be: When the going gets tough, the princess jumps in her Barbie convertible and takes her talents to South Beach.
(04) TIM-4-SHOW RIDING SHOTGUN - everywhere he goes he just keeps pissing people off left and right. Talent, fame, and money will corrupt the corruptible. LBJ is living proof of that.
(05) NEMAIA FALETOGO – SECURITY - What is more troubling to me is that the article says that he left with LO in an Excursion afterwards. I don't think it's a good idea for LO to be associating himself with this guy. I mean, a man can hang out with whoever he wants, but people need to choose their friends more carefully.
(06) MAMBA24 – Princess Jimmy will....NEVER, EVER, NEVER, EVER, NEVER, EVER HAVE A FREAKIN LEGACY!
(07) WESJOENIXON - Wow. That's ugly. The guy says "LeBron, Cleveland still loves you" and LeBron gives him the finger. This will be one of the defining moments of LeBron's career, I believe. I was waiting for LeBron to address his hometown fans in some way, and I guess he finally did. Creep of the year, without adoubt. And what is Lamar doing laughing with James while this was happening? That just show's how dumb Lamar is. Come on Odom, wipe the greasy streak of fame from yourself, and get some perspective. I expected better from Lamar.
(08) HTJ - But just for the sheer sake of rubbing it in Princess Jimmy's face a little more, I say we bring Delonte "Lebron's New Daddy" West in. LOL!
(09) POINT FORWARD - I wish the Lakers could sign Delonte so he could yeah.. you know what I'm talking about.. Calle Ocho Miami with - pick your trio's GF. Get inside their thick heads. That and being the gym bag handler/test dummy at team practice. But Delonte still has a decent stroke

Wes and Fearless - Glad you guys enjoyed the links.

Just a reminder: There's going to be a chat in about 10 minutes.

MM

Lebron has been,is and will continue to be a GREAT player. We'll have to beat him on the court...not in the press. The good news is Ron Ron is the perfect guy to take on that challenge.

Posted by: LRob | July 30, 2010 at 09:46 AM
Dude, most of his stuff is ILEGAL! The guy is even forgeting how to play, he just bull his way to the paint, score and wait for the whistle. When he hits a bunch of 3s, that impresses me...but he's ALWAYS pushing his defender coz Stern spoils him.
GREAT? LOL...So why he have ZERO RINGS? Wade is great, have 1...What you think is great is LBJ + REFS = GREAT
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LBJ + Stern = worst thing ever happen to NBA...

The thing with guarding Wade is aside from Kobe, I don't think there's anyone on the Lakers team that can match his speed. So, I guess team defense is needed to effectively contain Wade and not just leave Barnes/Sasha/Shannon by themselves.

mamba24 + Magic Phil = I FREAKING HATE PRINCESS JIMMY - BANDWAGON

Aloha,

There is one thing that has been mentioned in the Sasha trade rumors that I am totally against. Including a number one pick to dump him. That would be hard to take. We lucked out in the draft this year. It appears we may have found 1st round talent in the 2nd round. But we all know that rarely happens.

This team will need to re-tool in a couple of years. We will need young talent to either take over or trade for upgrades. Even if we use that 1st round pick on a promising Euro that we can stash for a few years, its better then just giving it away, Marc Gasol, is a prime example.

MH

I have to say, I don't hate Lebron, I hate what ESPN and these people who prematurely annointed him a king has allowed him to become. That's the real injustice and travesty, yes he's an a-hole, he's not the first and won't be the last spoiled rich a-hole athelete. What I really can't stand is the pedastal he's placed on, not him as an individual.

Few things were more infuriating than during the best Finals of the decade--Lakers and Celtics going seven games--and they're talking about where LeCreep is going to go at halftime.


Really?


Have these talking heads lost their motherfricken minds?


What do we play for? RINGS!!!


Lakers Today... Lakers Tomorrow... Lakers Forever.


GO LAKERS!!!

Dude, most of his stuff is ILEGAL! The guy is even forgeting how to play, he just bull his way to the paint, score and wait for the whistle. When he hits a bunch of 3s, that impresses me...but he's ALWAYS pushing his defender coz Stern spoils him. GREAT? LOL...So why he have ZERO RINGS? Wade is great, have 1...What you think is great is LBJ + REFS = GREAT LBJ + Stern = worst thing ever happen to NBA...
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ROTFLMFAO!!!...OUT FREAKIN STANDIMG SIR!!!!

it's simple, if shannon is holding out for more money then a trade will be good for him, and his wishes will be granted, now if he wishes to compete for another CR then he should stop this stupid nonsense and fucking sign with his team. it's as simple as that. money or champ

L Rob,

I hear you, but when someone disrespects the fans like LeBron is doing, I say take the gloves off and pummel him. I never had a problem with LeBron, not even as every Laker fan hated on him. But what I saw him do to the youngest, most sincere fans in Cleveland turned him into a monster in my eyes. And now the clear, concise "F-U" to all the Cleveland fans? I say get the dogs out and chase LeBron until his wretched soul is turned back into a pile of liver or whatever LeBron was before he became famous.

Wes

Dear Shannon

Reasons why you should not join NY Knicks:

1. There are already 2 PG's in the line up Felton and Toney Douglas and 1 SG Azubuike. If you join them as a 4th guard, are you not suspecting that they plan to package you next year for CP3?

2. For few millions more offered by the Knicks, the pressure in playing in front of NY press and fans is triple stress than that of LA. Ask Ariza, Marbury, Lee, Robinson etc. they're one of the best in the flock yet could not satisfy a hungry team aiming for Championship. Knicks want to be the Yankees in basketball but unfortunately they remain as Knicks. NY wants marquee players from Amare, Melo, Paul and Kobe, anything short of this stature is just a passing fancy to NY Front Office. Even Coaches don't last long from Riley, Van Gundy, Brown, Thomas and eventually Antoni. NY pays the money for the player or coaches that could bring them the O'brien trophy. I believe you are more a winner to stay in LA.

3. New York and Cleveland are not your kind of cities. It is LA who tapped your potentials, nurtured your development and for few million difference you are really better of in playing with Kobe, Artest, Fisher, Socks and Gasol. You are familiar with PJ system and also ahead of the curve on the newbies. What are the bright prospects? Sasha will not be around for long and so with Derek Fisher. If you know how to play your cards well, LA is your stepping to stardom. The pressure is not that much to be in LA than play in those cities mentioned.

For Mitch Kupchak and Jerry Buss

Make the deal now on Shannon, Ebanks, Caracter and settle for Sasha and Luke later. As they say: "a bird in hand is worth two in the bush".

I hear you, but when someone disrespects the fans like LeBron is doing, I say take the gloves off and pummel him. I never had a problem with LeBron, not even as every Laker fan hated on him. But what I saw him do to the youngest, most sincere fans in Cleveland turned him into a monster in my eyes. And now the clear, concise "F-U" to all the Cleveland fans? I say get the dogs out and chase LeBron until his wretched soul is turned back into a pile of liver or whatever LeBron was before he became famous. Wes Posted by: wes | July 30, 2010 at 10:30 AM
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WAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHA ROTFLMAO!! OH SWEET JESUS!! WHAT HAVE I STARTED!!! PEOPLE, PEOPLE, PEOPLE! DON'T HATE PRINCESS JIMMY BECAUSE HE'S BEAUTIFUL!! WAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHA!

Why are people still concerned with Shannon Brown? With the starting 5, then Blake, Barnes, and Odom in the rotation, when (or better yet WHY) would Shannon get any minutes?

 
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