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Caught in the Web: Lakers show interest in Jeremy Lin; live chat at 1 p.m.

We'll have a live chat at 1 p.m. to talk all about the off-season, which very likely will mostly involve Harvard guard Jeremy Lin.

We will be trying a new chat format, G-Snap, which involves registration using a number of options, including regular sign-in, Twitter, Facebook and Yahoo. I figured it would be better to work out any kinks with a new format during the dog days of summer than, say, when the Lakers are having their ring ceremony. I appreciate everyone's patience and cooperation with adjusting to new chats.

On to the Lakers links.....

-- ESPN Los Angeles' Dave McMenamin reports the Lakers are interested in Lin as a backup.

-- NBA.com's David Aldridge reports Matt Barnes is leaving Orlando for Toronto, meaning that's one more free agent the Lakers won't have. But ESPN.com's Marc Stein reported financial issues may could "scuttle the deal."

-- ESPN Los Angeles' Andy Kamenetzky breaks down what Lin would provide to the Lakers.

-- Pro Basketball Talk's John Krolik has a pretty comprehensive analysis on Lin's game.

-- Lin told KESN-FM in Dallas he'd love to stay with the Mavericks.

-- The Orange County Register's Jeff Miller believes the criticism surrounding LeBron James' decision to go to Miami is overblown.

-- ESPN.com's Dana O'Neill profiles Lin.

-- The Orange County Register's Doug Tifft paints a picture in words of the Laker Girls tryouts.

-- Sports Illustrated's Lee Jenkins says in the video below that the Lakers addressed their needs the most this off-season.

-- Lakers.com's Mike Trudell lists the Lakers' top 10 plays in the 2010 postseason.

-- Forum Blue and Gold's Darius argues the Lakers need to re-sign Shannon Brown.

-- Silver Screen and Roll's DexterFishmore believes Lin would be a good fit for the Lakers.

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Wow, including AK gets into Lin bandwagon. Well, I like Jeremy Lin to be in the line up but don't try to paint a rosy picture at this point. He has to go to 1,001 tests before giving him the PG scepter. Has he been in a Championship team in College? All he has done was play a great game in Summer League, don't give too much of euphoria out of it? Well, that's media when they could not find any story, they have to sensationalize a young kid and give him undue pressure to perform prematurely. Let him grow first in NBA structure, blend with the team then see if he can handle the big man's game.

Congrats on RCOTD phred!

Now we're gonna have to start calling it the Friedman-Fatty-phred Award LOL!

Wow. A lot of hype for Jeremy Lin to become our 12th man. I've never heard so much hype for a 12th player before.

I say give him a chance. It couldn't hurt anything. He looked pretty good in the summer league game I saw.

Go Lakers!

We all love Lamar Odom to be the 4th Superstar that is they reason for our stirring criticisms. He is not tapping his potentials due to his lethargic habits of disappearing in important games. As a Laker fans, don't we wish we have Lamar, Luke to be in the limelight on the same level of Kobe. They have been all here since 2004, it is now time to grow and take the centerpiece of the mantle of leadership from Kobe and Fisher. Prove us all wrong that you are no longer scrubs but worthy Champions among the champions. How do you compare Lamar to other Laker role players like Bob McAdoo, Byron Scott, Michael Cooper, Mychal Thompson, Glenn Rice, AC Green and Rick Fox? I think he is a tail ender among these players who wore the purple and gold. Therefore, while he is still active, he has to raise the bar. Don't spoil him by praising his mediocre performance barely tapping his true potentials.

Mamba24,

Don't forget me on the Morning Crew. Sometimes I'm Morning, sometimes Afternoon, and sometimes Night, but always a Laker Fanatic!

"As a Laker fans, don't we wish we have Lamar, Luke to be in the limelight on the same level of Kobe."-Edwin

Lamar and Luke are not on the same level as Kobe, so why should they be in the limelight at the same level as Kobe?

"How do you compare Lamar to other Laker role players like Bob McAdoo, Byron Scott, Michael Cooper, Mychal Thompson, Glenn Rice, AC Green and Rick Fox? I think he is a tail ender among these players who wore the purple and gold."-Edwin

Laker Lamar>Laker Bob McAdoo
Byron Scott>Lamar
Micheal Cooper>Lamar
Lamar>Mychal Thompson
Laker Lamar>Laker Glen Rice
AC Green>Lamar
Lamar>>Rick Fox

Lamar is right in that mix with great Laker role players. Lamar story isn't finished either. By the end of his career, he'll probably pass those guys up to become a Laker legend.

Go Lakers!

Don't forget me on the Morning Crew. Sometimes I'm Morning, sometimes Afternoon, and sometimes Night, but always a Laker Fanatic!Posted by: D(erek)J(eter) | July 20, 2010 at 08:41 AM
My Bad DJ, You'll be there tomorrow sir!

Edwin - I think you're being way harsh on Lamar and really not giving him his due props for the contributions (and sacrifices) he has made to this team. The results of his work may not always show up in the stat column, but that doesn't mean he wasn't a vital contributor. Take a look again at some of the tougher games the Lakers played - like Game 7 - and watch him. Savvy defender. Integral piece vital to the win. I think you're looking at him through Luke colored glasses LOL!


(And I feel the same way about a healthy Luke. No hate mail please.)

Rocky - "Wow. A lot of hype for Jeremy Lin to become our 12th man. I've never heard so much hype for a 12th player before."

What does that say about how good the Lakers are this season? Whole teams are going crazy to try and combat us at their 1, 2, 3 spots, and we're breezin' along discussing... our 12th man! That makes me laugh.

Rest of the NBA: try and catch us! We don't follow, we don't react, we lead.

Yea! Thanks! Can't wait for the season to start!

63 footer - lol - you got that right!! We're the freaking Championship Los Angeles Lakers!! We SET the standard - we're not like others simply trying to reach for it HAHAHAHAHAHA!!!

Rocky,

Every blogger is entitled to his own opinion and I respect your opinion. However, I just want to point out on Bob McAdoo. I don't know if you are old enough and have seen Bob played with Buffalo Braves. He has a career ppg of 22 pts and a HOF. He has slowed down when he joined with the Lakers.

When I said Lamar and Luke to be in the same level of Kobe, not in ability but in mantle of leadership being the old guards of the team. It is like comparing the freshmen, sophomores in College vs. the Seniors. Perhaps, the word "level" misleads a leader that we are expecting Lamar and Luke to be next Kobe which is next to impossible. In my estimation, if Lamar play to his potentials I could compare him to poor Magic Johnson or a poor Scottie Pippen. He is an All Star in the making.

justa - don't sell yourself short. you've been getting some awards. by the way, i tried looking for you at Laker girl tryouts and couldn't find you! I was really bummed about that

MM

Sup Laker Fam,

Anxious to see what Mitch will do next. I say snatch up Lin before someone else does. Just let him develop under Kobe, Fish and Blake. As Edwin said, give him some time to grow and improve his skills and we can have something special in the making a couple of years from now. If Lin, Caracter and Ebanks make huge strides in their games within two years, I can envision those three running together as Lakers as Kobe's career begins to come to a close(not that it will happen anytime soon, but we never know). The reason I'm so high on these kids is that they're talented and have great b-ball IQs. They also play like they have something to prove and with a chip on their shoulder. Just read the latest articles on them, watch and listen to what they say in their interviews and you'll discover how humble and grateful they are for the opportunity to play in the NBA. All of them know they have to work hard to earn a spot on this team and so far, they're off to a great start.

Justa,

You have to be harsh in your criticism if you expect greatness. I'm not a lakerholic who would cheer for someone is not trying his best. Got to read all the posts during the playoffs, if Lamar played to his potentials Lakers could have finish it in 5th or 6th games. Well, what you see is the last game but cover-up the past games. Lamar has the skills, has the speed and athleticism, just not sure whether he has the attitude to be the leader.

MM - I was there. You seemed to be too busy trying to keep eye contact with the others....

MM - also meant to add not to worry. You'll see me when you take me to the ASG in LA.

VoteForJusta.com

In my estimation, if Lamar play to his potentials I could compare him to poor Magic Johnson or a poor Scottie Pippen. He is an All Star in the making.

Posted by: Edwin Gueco | July 20, 2010 at 08:57 AM
That's what I think too, about LAmar.
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Regarding Lin, yeah that was just a summer league game but you know what? I have a feeling this kid will not let us down, and that's what a rookie should do.

MM,

Other than the chat, do you have a surprise for us at 1? Like announcing that Lin has agreed to sign with the Lakers?

Here's a quick question for you and the rest of the Laker family. How do we make sense of Mitch/Lakers signing Lin to a contract(if he decides to join the Lakers)without offering a contract to Caracter or Ebanks first? I mean, Caracter was considered the third best player in SL and Ebanks was clearly the second best player on the Lakers SL team. I want all three on our roster, but how does an undrafted player(Lin did well throughout SL as well)possibly get signed before two of your own drafted prospects? Is it based on the team's greatest needs? Thanks for any and all responses.

Edwin - I understand what you're saying, but I respectfully disagree with your assessment. Lamar may not be fully engaged in the entire game, hence our level of frustration with him at times. However, his contributions to this team are generally unappreciated and undervalued by many on here. That's what bugs me the most. Also - he is NOT the leader of this team. He probably never will be. He's not that guy. It doesn't make him any less valuable. Also - how do you know the leadership you're wanting to see doesn't take place OFF the court? During practices and team get together's, etc etc? I think you're being overly critical. But - as always - I respect your opinion. We'll just have to agree to disagree when it comes to LO. Besides - it's all about the love, right? :)

Rest of the NBA: try and catch us! We don't follow, we don't react, we lead.

Posted by: 63 Footer | July 20, 2010 at 08:47 AM

That flat out rocked.

GO LAKERS!!!!!!

Justa,

As always it is all about love. We are debating for the good of Lamar and the Lakers. :o)

Edwin - totally agree. Whatever makes our beloved Lakers better I AM ALL FOR IT!

Set me straight people. I read where Stern said that the 3 were not in violation of tampering when talking about joining forces, even during the season. So does that mean Kobe can start recruiting Melo and CP3 right now?!

Justa,

Like you said, it's all about the love! That's why we family up in hea!

I saved a game from last season vs. the Spurs. It was a pivotal game, the first of a five game road trip. The Spurs were killing us in the first half. Second half LO came out and just KILLED them with his rebounding and speed. He was also hitting from behind the arc. So I guess I'm more off the fence than I am on in terms of LO.

Question: Can we use the remaining $1.7M on Rudy Fernandez for the 1st year and give him multiple contracts being part of the MLE? Can we use that $1.7M + future draft picks as trade with Blazers to get him aboard with the Lakers. Why Rudy? His pay is not that much. A great shooter in the triangle who can play with Gasol and I think he would rather play with the Laker than continue his tenure with the Portland or go back to Europe.

*I respect your opinion too Edwin.

*As a student of the game, I do understand how good Bob McAdoo was before he became a Laker. That's why I put the Laker reference in my list. While McAdoo had a more stellar career than Lamar has had, Lamar has made more contributions to Laker championships than McAdoo did. The same goes for Glen Rice.

*I do think you are underestimating Lamar's leadership abilities too. From Kwame Brown, to Andrew Bynum, to Ron Artest, Lamar has helped ease their acclimation process to the team. With Kwame, Lamar always had his back, encouraging him to do good things on the court. With Bynum, Lamar sacrificed his starting position without a peep, and always gave Bynum tips and encouragement out there. With Ron Artest, Lamar was there to help him out getting comfortable with the new team. That's not mentioning the help he's given to many of the other young players.

Helping your teammates out is a strong form of leadership. There is a reason why Lamar has a strong reputation for being a great teammate. It's not because he goes out and parties with them. It's because he's out there helping his teammates become better basketball players and creating cohesion teamwise. That's leadership.

Go Lakers!

So does that mean Kobe can start recruiting Melo and CP3 right now?!

Posted by: D(erek)J(eter) | July 20, 2010 at 09:21 AM
Derek, I love those 2 players but....I just don't think it's a good move. CP3 needs to ball all the time, it will ruin the triangle. Melo? At this point, I'm much more excited about rebuilding the Lakers w/ fresh blood than having old ringless guys here that will stay for 1 year only. Besides, NY should get those guys anyway, not a big deal.

Mamba24; Don't forget me on the morning call either. I don't post as much as last year, but I am still the blog drunk until dethroned.

MP,

I was just wondering if, according to Stern's ruling, could Kobe or any player for that matter, try to recruit another without penalty. I thought that was tampering, but according to Stern (the li'l 3) that's not a problem.

Mamba24; Don't forget me on the morning call either. I don't post as much as last year, but I am still the blog drunk until dethroned. Posted by: Otis | July 20, 2010 at 09:35 AM
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It's all your fault Otis, that last batch you cooked up not only left me with a hangover it wiped out half my mind. I'm just now recovering 3 weeks later. LOl! Sorry man it will be on tomorrow & damn Floyd's not on either! OK, sorry Otis, just don't tell Aunt Bee I'll get right on it and thanks!

Justanothermambafan,

you wrote: However, his contributions to this team are generally unappreciated and undervalued by many on here. That's what bugs me the most. Also - he is NOT the leader of this team. He probably never will be. He's not that guy. It doesn't make him any less valuable. Also - how do you know the leadership you're wanting to see doesn't take place OFF the court? During practices and team get together's, etc etc?

my response:

1. How do you determine "underappreciated/undervalued" ?

I ask because my criticisms of LO are well documented. It is not that I don't
appreciate his versatility or his monster 18/18 games. It's that if he did it
every night, he'd have all that he wants and we'd be unbeatable.

re: leadership. Have you seen *anything* which points to him being a
leader?

re: determining value. It seems that there are two ways to look at it.

1. Does he make things work?
2. Does he make things work better than another could?

Since we're winning it's hard to argue against the 1st. However, since we
couldn't win before Pau arrived ... there seems to be a legitimate question
about #2. I would say that there are a number of players who could
take his roll & perform more consistently & possibly better. I am not
advocating that we trade him at this time. I know of no trade that I would
make that involves LO. right now. :)

At 1, there will be a one hour special where we will stream live Jeremy Lin's decision. Actually there's no special announcement beyond the fact I thought it'd be cool to chat.

MM

MM,

Can I catch it on ESPN, ha, ha?

The Heat might be making waves, but I like the stillness in the Lakers organization. It means they're thinking with their hearts and not on emotions.
We are the champions of the NBA, and we have the right to peace, tranquility and serenity. Let other teams worry about us. It's a great summer to relax with a championship trophy at hand. Have a good rest of the day Lakers Morning Crew.

Best Option:


Sign Shaq
Sign TMac
Sign Brown
Sign Ebanks
Sign Caracter
Get Jeremy Lin into training camp


Good Option:


Still Great Option:


Sign Brad Miller
Sign TMac
Sign Brown
Sign Ebanks
Sign Caracter
Get Jeremy Lin into training camp


Still Good Option:


Sign Kwame Brown
Sign James Singleton
Sign Brown
Sign Ebanks
Sign Caracter
Get Jeremy Lin into training camp


Apocalypse Now Option:


Sign Mark Madsen
Sign Yaroslav Korolev
Don't sign Brown
Don't sign Ebanks
Don't sign Caracter
Don't sign Jeremy Lin


What do we play for? RINGS!!!


Lakers Today... Lakers Tomorrow... Lakers Forever.


GO LAKERS!!!

Jon K, that apocalypse line almost made me spew water on my keyboard lol

Jeff Miller is a tool bag.


He's doing that typical journalist/critic thing in which a clear concensus has been formed on a subject matter and then to prove to the world that he's more "enlightened" than the plebian hordes out there he forms a contrarian response to the concensus.


Contrarians are even worse than conformists. They're just conformists in the opposite direction.


Toolbag.


Mr. Miller, you go spend some time in Northeast Ohio watching these people lose their fricken minds bending over backwards to placate this narcissist who then chooses to humiliate them with a one-hour special and you go tell THEM that the criticism is unfounded.


Good luck with that, pal.


What do we play for? RINGS!!!


Lakers Today... Lakers Tomorrow... Lakers Forever.


GO LAKERS!!!

My 2 cents on th LO conversation?... We all appreciate his game, what we gripe about are the maddening levels of inconsistency, which is why most ask can we trade him for consistency every chance that seems to arrive. My hope is that he plays aggresive every game. Points, rebounds, none of that actually matter in the end, that can vary, but there are games where he seems to just not be there in any capacity mentally. That is the source of frustration with him.

Gilbert!!!


Just hit "post" once. It will show up in about 15 seconds or so (if not right away). Mine does the same thing...


"Laker Lamar>Laker Bob McAdoo
Byron Scott>Lamar
Micheal Cooper>Lamar
Lamar>Mychal Thompson
Laker Lamar>Laker Glen Rice
AC Green>Lamar
Lamar>>Rick Fox

Lamar is right in that mix with great Laker role players. Lamar story isn't finished either. By the end of his career, he'll probably pass those guys up to become a Laker legend.

Go Lakers!

Posted by: Rocky | July 20, 2010 at 08:41 AM"

Rocky,

you put Lamar>Mychal Thompson......where were you in the 80's.....????? Ever hear of Kevin McHale? The Lakers acquired Artest to go against the strong SF's of the East. Considered a somewhat monumental trade. The Lakers acquired, and I can remember the moment I heard it, I was in Hawaii on vacation, getting ready to come home, Mychal Thompson, a previous #1 overall pick for the sole purpose of guarding one of the greatest players to ever play his position, Kevin McHale. What made this trade so interesting??? They both went to the same college, so were obviously familiar with each other, despite the years differences....That trade was of even greater instant magnitude than the KG or Pau trades, because at that moment, you could put the PF advantage to equal or to the Lakers, because Mychal's acquisition was like "Daddie's Home...McHale is accounted for"..........how'd you miss that? That led to like 2 championships!!!!

At 1, there will be a one hour special where we will stream live Jeremy Lin's decision. Actually there's no special announcement beyond the fact I thought it'd be cool to chat.

MM

Posted by: Mark Medina | July 20, 2010 at 09:48 AM
OH, NO! Another "The Decision"?

Et tu, hobbit?


Let me know if Rocky's response above doesn't do it for you. He said some stuff better than I could have.


Unless we have the upper hand in getting Lin, I see it as overexposing our wants. MM, do you know something that we don't know?

Nemaia,

Lin getting a contract first is a function of supply and demand + BATNA (negotiating acronym for best alternative to a negotiated agreement)...

Lin has demand.
No one owns his rights.
Therefore his "price" goes up from invite to guaranteed contract.

Ebanks & Caracter have demand but the Lakers own their rights. No one else can offer squat. Their BATNA is zilch so the Lakers can take a wait n see (but they probably get signed at training camp)

Jon K -

I believe Brad Miller signed with the Rockets.

Kwame? Shaq? These names are depressing me! Why not a young player like Boone who has fallen out of favor after showing signs of a bright future in New Jersey? Or Joey Dorsey who, despite his youth and rebounding prowess, hasn't found a home?

LOL at a lineup featuring Madsen and Koralev.

Unless we have the upper hand in getting Lin, I see it as overexposing our wants. MM, do you know something that we don't know?

Posted by: humanomaly | July 20, 2010 at 10:17 AM
THAT'S INDEED A FAIR QUESTION, MR LEMARK MEDINA....

Humanomaly,

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tK0iiO-X3EY

This is what I remember from Mychal Thompson. Just a terrible offensive player. Not even close to Lamar skillwise.

You did make a good point about Thompson defensively. It's debateable that the arrival of Mychal Thompson led to 2 extra championships, maybe one. He was there in '87 when we beat McHale and the C's.

Really, if you think Lamar is frustrating, Mychal Thompson was way worse. We'd pass that guy the ball in the post and it was Kwame-time. He throw up a total brick with absolutely no touch on the ball. His coordination was all out of wack in the post, like Kwame.

Laker Lamar>Laker Mychal Thompson

Go Lakers!

GOOD MORNINNNNNNNNNNG LOS ANGEEEEEEELESSSSSSSSS!

Tim-4-Show,

Thank you for the clear explanation on the Lin/Caracter/Ebanks situation. Much appreciated.

MM,

Some clarification please, so besides the chat about Lin @ 1, has he said yet where he wants to play? I apologize if I misunderstood what you posted earlier. Thanks.

But Shaq, at last report, still wants assurances of a healthy slice of playing time as well as a salary that starts above the $5.8 million mid-level exception, which can be achieved through a sign-and-trade with Cleveland. No team out there, including Atlanta, is known to be willing to pay Shaq more than $2 million for next season.


Hey, RuPaul is having a coming out dinner, deciding to become more social so he chose dinner with some celebs included at XIV, a WeHo restaurant.....do you guys see a pattern here, The Truth gets married the other day at Pelican in Newport, KG lives (has a house on the wrong side of PCH) in Malibu, and now BOSCH is having a dinner in west hollywood....look guys, if you like it so much here.....leave it and weep. Get the HELL out of our town, oh, but spend plenty before you go.

DJ - yeah, Kobe can "call his friends", why not? According to Darth Stern, this is ok.

D(erek) J(eter),


" I read where Stern said that the 3 were not in violation of tampering when talking about joining forces, even during the season."


But what about Pat Riley contacting him during the playoffs, as I read he did? Isn't THAT tampering? Because TO ME that sure sounds like textbook tampering, you know?


Fricken awful.


What do we play for? RINGS!!!


Lakers Today... Lakers Tomorrow... Lakers Forever.


GO LAKERS!!!

Rocky,
I still disagree, Thompson was a role player and he filled his roll, I think Lamar has frustrated us more than MT, but that's due to the flash in his game, I'd call it a draw, ok, let's end it at that. Nice chat.

H.

Shaq, T-Mac and AI have all expressed interest in joining the most hated team in the league, yet you needn’t expect any of them to land on South Beach. In assembling a supporting cast for LeBron James, Dwyane Wade and Chris Bosh on a severely limited budget, Miami has made it clear that it doesn’t want to add anyone -- no matter how much money they’re willing to sacrifice -- that could conceivably challenge the chemistry or threaten to divert focus away from the three SuperFriends. O’Neal, frankly, was never a consideration after his stinging critiques of Miami’s training staff upon arrival in Phoenix and his history of slamming Bosh.

• Two former All-Stars that the Heat are far more likely to consider: Jerry Stackhouse and Michael Finley.


Atleast the HEAT IS THINKING STRAIGHT.. THEY SAY...
NO TO SHAQ!!!

humanomaly,

Instead of going to dinner with celeb, I prefer to stay in Lynwood jail with Lindsey and play hide and seek. lol!

Hey, my wife had to fly to cleveland on business last minute sunday, anybody want her to pick up some Lebron jerseys????

puddle,


"Kwame? Shaq? These names are depressing me!"


I think we all need to grow up a bit and let bygones be bygones. Forgive and forget.


"Why not a young player like Boone who has fallen out of favor after showing signs of a bright future in New Jersey?"


Two little words: The Triangle.


Both Kwame and Shaq know the system. I pull my hair out each year watching crucial players play outside the system because they don't get it. I have high hopes for Steve Blake because he seems intelligent, dedicated and professional, but, still, even he's going to have a learning curve.


Me no likee learning curve.


What do we play for? RINGS!!!


Lakers Today... Lakers Tomorrow... Lakers Forever.


GO LAKERS!!!

Nemaia,


" has he said yet where he wants to play?"


Lin's a California boy. If he wants to play somewhere other than California (or at least the West), then there's something wrong with him and we don't want him anyways.


What do we play for? RINGS!!!


Lakers Today... Lakers Tomorrow... Lakers Forever.


GO LAKERS!!!!

"Humanomaly,

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tK0iiO-X3EY"

Rocky"


Hey Rocky, did you see who one of the refs was, it was Donaghy, just kidding.

Justa- have you been smoking again? Luke, Lamar you're kidding me right? I'll give it that LO sometimes bring it, but most of the time it's just frustrates everyone. It's the sugar rush, up, down, up again you just can't always count on his consistency in the big games.

Mamba24- I took you're advice and saw "Inception" last night, you're 100% on target. It's one of the best movie's I've seen in a long time. Hats off my Bro-ham.

Alright, after looking at Jeremy's highlight vids... he's looking to me like a bit of a poor man's Deron Williams. Not as quick or athletic and definately not as good a shooter, but in that mold.

Given that he doesn't have the athletic tools of a Deron Williams, his NBA best case scenario is a bigger Derek Fisher with a little more nose for penetration, but a worse jump shot. However, Jeremy probably has a better jump shot than Derek coming out of college. I remember Derek's first year he could barely hit 20 footers, let a lone the clutch rainbow 3's he can hit now.

Marc Stein reported that the Sixers are willing to move Jason Kapono. Would he be a good fit for us? They said he's due $6.6 mil, so could we trade anyone for him? He's definitely a great shooter, but I don't think he plays defense(like Korver). What does everyone think? Yea or nay?

Stu was all, "...he's got to be questioning why he's doing that." lol

I can't get enough of that video clip. Magic was so siick with that buzzer beater hook shot from half court with KJ all over his dribble. That was a playoff game too.

Go Lakers!

Lamar Bashing....here's the solution....expect absolutely nothing from him, expect his +/- to be a about -20/game......then when he does SOMETHING positive, we'll be happy, kinda like the Luke Walton approach....

Nemaia Faletogo,


At $6.6 million?


Nay!

What do we play for? RINGS!!!


Lakers Today... Lakers Tomorrow... Lakers Forever.


GO LAKERS!!!

hey mamba24, 2phatt, justa, john k


im back from vacation!

>>> Can we use the remaining $1.7M on Rudy Fernandez for the 1st year and
>>>give him multiple contracts being part of the MLE?

Rudy Fernandez is not a free agent. He's signed with Portland through 2013. And if he was a free agent, he would definitely get offers higher than 1.7 million. And he's expressed a desire to go back to Spain and play on the same team as Ricky Rubio.

So fuggedaboutit. Lakers won't be getting Rudy Fernandez any time soon.

2Phatt - No - lol - never touch the stuff!


What's your issue with Lamar & Luke that hasn't already been said and debated ad nauseum? (Yes he can be maddeningly inconsistent, but again - stats never tell the whole story). I LOVE Lamar. I think he's a valuable contributor to this team in many ways - both on and off the court. I seriously doubt we would have won these last 2 championships without him. He needs to be a Laker for life as far as I'm concerned.


Regarding Luke - I also think a healthy Luke is a valuable guy. The operative word being healthy. I've seen him play some admirable defense and run the offense very well when he's healthy. So have you. I don't believe he's as valuable as Lamar, but none the less a valuable Laker. Maybe we could do better. Maybe not.

We can agree to disagree on this because it's all about the love, right?!

DJ,

>>>I was just wondering if, according to Stern's ruling, could Kobe or any player
>>>for that matter, try to recruit another without penalty.

He could, but it's a moot point.

You're forgetting that Miami had the cap space to pay LeBron and Bosh max money.

Why would CP3 come to the Lakers for an MLE? Just to be Kobe's buddy? Not going to happen.

A friend of mind just recently started reading the LA Lakers Blog and ask me a question, Why does everybody loves JUSTA? the answer is simple"She's Got Game" enough said.

The only bad thing about being a Lakers fan these days is that Vic the Brick keeps feeling us.

LAL818- What's up with the vacation, any DRAMA? lol

Jon K -

First of all, me not wanting Shaq or Kwame has nothing to do with me growing up. I loved Shaq when he was here and I am one of the seemingly few fans on this blog who feels his jersey should undoubtedly be retired in the rafters as soon as he hangs em up, no matter what he's done and said. The man was an icon here and is part of the Laker lore.

But Kwame? He just sucks. Period. End of discussion. You'll never convince me otherwise.

I'll admit, however, that if Shaq seriously wanted to put everything behind him and was willing to take the Lakers $1.8 million to back up Andrew, then I think he'd be worth it. At this point in his career, I don't think he's worth more than $3 or $4 million a year, so at $1.8 mil, I would say yes.

Personally, I think it's all moot.

Shaq wants way more than what the Lakers can offer, I can't imagine he would ever come back to play 6th fiddle on the Lakers, he would never back up the guy that was drafted to replace him, and he still probably holds a grudge against Dr. Buss, not to mention the fact that I don't believe Kobe and Shaq ever really made up. I just don't think he's matured enough to ever make take on a seriously reduced role on the Lakers. At 38 years old, Shaq still hasn't grown up. It'd be awesome if he proved me wrong and did a 180 out of the blue, but I'd place a solid wager that he won't even consider the Lakers.

Kwame, I believe, is probably too mentally scarred to come back here. Laker fans booing him mercilessly in that 7 TO/2 missed dunks game against the Suns crushed him, and it was visible all the way from my seats in section 304. Dude already lacked for confidence and I don't think he wants to come back to play for Phil, who mocked his manhood consistently both to his face and in the media.

Finally, I think the whole "knows the system" thing is a little overblown. First, center is the easiest position to learn in the Triangle. Second, plenty of guys have come here, even in midseason, and done great things for us - Pau, Trevor, Shannon - all without the benefit of training camp. Anyone who comes in would have all of training camp to get acclimated, so I don't think it'd be a big issue. Finally, the Triange may be more difficult than some other offenses (I'm looking at you Atlanta), but it's not rocket science. If Kwame could play in it, anyone can.

In the end, the Lakers should just go after whoever is most talented and fits the need best. Whoever it is, I'll trust Mitch made the best choice.

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Here is the prelude for the chat today....

2Phatt - wow - thanks for the love!!

>>>He throw up a total brick with absolutely no touch on the ball. His
>>>coordination was all out of wack in the post, like Kwame.

You're wwwwwaaaaaaayyyy off on that comparison.

Your memory of Mychal Thompson is badly distorted.

Mychal Thompson shot a higher percentage from the field than Lamar (partly because he wasn't out jacking up wild threes that he shot at a poor percentage), and he had much much much better offense than Kwame.

At his peak, Mychal Thompson was a 20 & 10 player for Portland. But even with the Lakers, playing 20-25 minutes in his first four seasons, he was a very good backup.

Neither Lamar nor Kwame have ever been NEAR being a 20-10 player. You could give them 40 minutes a game and they'd never come close. And in limited minutes with the Lakers, Thompson was much better than Kwame playing starter level minutes, and about equal to Lamar. Thompson was a better scorer, Lamar is a better rebounder.

So I would say

Lamar ~= Mychal Thompson
and
Lamar >> Kwame
and
Mychal Thompson >> Kwame

>>>Jason Kapono. Would he be a good fit for us?

He plays LESS defense than Korver.

In fact, he plays less defense than a cardboard cutout.

Absolute NO to Kapono.

Staples 24,

>>>No team out there, including Atlanta, is known to be willing to pay Shaq
>>>more than $2 million for next season.

I saw that as well. Makes me think more that Shaq would consider retiring rather than working for a pitiful 2 million.

Myrha- It's kind of CREEPY, just can't leave him around the kids. Come here little Kobe, "FEELIN YOU".

@ 2Phatt - yeah full of drama and hot dry air, went to Palm Springs for some sun but ended up getting the whole sun lol

other than that, no Miami Heat drama thank god, but missed the blog while i was gone... wanted to see whats happening with our team. so who are we trying to sign some Harvard student?

mamba24 is back right?

puddle,


"First of all, me not wanting Shaq or Kwame has nothing to do with me growing up."


I wasn't speaking to YOU personally. I just sometimes think we let our past emotions get in the way of making good decisions in the present and I believe that is impacting some peoples' clarity of thought when it comes to Kwame and Shaq.


What do we play for? RINGS!!!


Lakers Today... Lakers Tomorrow... Lakers Forever.


GO LAKERS!!!

Good Morning Charles...Good Morning Everybody...

oh the dog days of summer...at least it's the dog days of Back To Back Championship Summer...oh hell yeah

I totally agree with Rocky on the Lamar verses Mike Thompson thing...Thompson was more frustrating to me than Lamar, though they both aren't / weren't happy without at least one offensive foul per game...

Thompson was very Kwame like, though a little better maybe, and that's a maybe---

I was just watching game one of the Suns series and Lamar was steller---if he could only show up and play like that for 3 out of 4 games the Lakers would get the next 3 rings at least---but, he shows up and plays like that for maybe 1 out of 5 or 6 or 7 games...

the word on Lamar (especially on this blog) is .... wait for it...consistency with a little potential sprinkled in...

if (and we have all been saying this since he arrived) if Lamar plays like he can we can't be beat---so having Lamar and his potential (oh and I forgot the other buzz word, versitilty) is worth the frustration, because the next game might be one of those games...

this next year might just be the one where he strings together more of "those games"...I hope so anyway, seemingly.

"nothing to say but it's okay, how's your boy been?"

"I'm going to start a war for peace"

AS ALWAYS, AS EVER, YET ANOTHER GREAT DAY (AND BACK TO BACK CHAMPIONSHIP SEASON) TO BE A LAKER FAN !!!

GO LAKERS !!!

LTLF,

OK, maybe I went a little too far comparing Mychal Thompson to Kwame. I still stand by my assertion that Lamar has had more of an impact on Laker championships than Thompson.

Go Lakers!

@ Jon K - Madsen, eh? Hmmmmmmm, sounds like that would pretty much put us over the top. Apocalypse for the league is I guess what you're getting at! :-)


@hobbitmage - It's very difficult to quantify leadership (hence Fisher making less than Blake, I think the Lakers placed a bigger premium on starting to move the age needle back towards 'young' rather than first go after Fish). In Lamar's case, his leadership qualities seem to stem from a calm, cool presence in the locker room, his acceptance of his role and paying for his personal chef to cook for the team 2 years ago in Training Camp, maybe he sells candy out of his locker like some enterprising kids do in high school. I would never define what Lamar does as a shining example of leadership...but teammates might as they may draw some sort of inspiration from his life, his team first mentality, and his general demeanor.


@JAMF - There are plenty of Luke Lovers on the blog, they only come out at night, though, when the cobbler is sleeping and then they make shoes!

This Lin, not just good in the summer, he also very good in Standford......

I mean Harvard, not Standford

Guys,


After all the hype on this Lin guy, there is no way on God's green earth that Mark Cuban is going to let us out bid him for this kid when all we can offer is 1.7 million at max. And do we really want to sign a rookie over someone like Shannon?


Wes

For most if not all of his NBA career, Shaq never played a full season. This includes last year with Cleveland. When he was raked across the face, Shaq didn’t finish that game and ended up going to the hospital (un-Kobe like) and missed some games. An infamous edict by Shaq as a Laker in 2002 was “I got hurt on the job, so I’ll heal on the job” when he delayed having toe surgery until the end of the summer thereby extending his recovery well into the next playing season. If Shaq never played a full season at $20+million/year, what makes anyone think he’d play meaningful minutes for a team that pays him far less? Signing Shaq as a Laker would be a big wasted roster slot.

>>>I was just wondering if, according to Stern's ruling, could Kobe or any player
>>>for that matter, try to recruit another without penalty.

Of course. The whole thing with tampering is it's very difficult to prove. As long as you don't make comments in the media, there is really nothing that can be done about it. That is why Stern will say nothing about big three even though they obviously planned this years ago.

Have your players do the talking instead of your GM, and don't put anything in the media, and you can tamper all you want really.

>>>OK, maybe I went a little too far comparing Mychal Thompson to Kwame. I
>>>still stand by my assertion that Lamar has had more of an impact on Laker
>>>championships than Thompson.

Possibly. But mostly because the Showtime teams were a bit deeper. I'd say Lamar was the fourth most important player for the Lakers in this last title (Kobe, Pau, Artest, Lamar) and he barely edged out Bynum for that even with Bynum injured. And you could make an argument that Fish contributed more as well. Thompson was like the 6th or 7th highest contributor on those Lakers - they were just deep deep deep.

is Lin going with the Warrior or the Lakers??? make up your minds NEWS


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