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Video Caption Contest: Lakers forward Ron Artest's news conference goes down among the greatest

I mentioned in detail how wildly entertaining Lakers forward Ron Artest became in the locker room as the teams celebrated its 2010 NBA championship. I also made available the transcript of Artest's hilarious postgame news conference. But it's one thing to read the lunacy, and it's quite another to watch it unfold on video.

Obviously, winning a ring meant the world to Artest, from the standpoint of his competitive nature to his wanting to prove he belonged with the Lakers while hoping to add a positive chapter to what started as an adversarial career. And for reporters and fans, he never fails make us laugh and wonder about his random thought process. I'm curious what everyone's initial reaction was when they watched the news conference. The best reaction will be featured in tomorrow's links post.

--Mark Medina

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Ok I was wrong - it was not all about Odom. When ron and lamar combine for 20 and 20 I bet nobody stops the Lakers. Well done boys.

Get some rest have some surgeries - don't play optional ball and let's start the journey for #3. With Jordan and Boston in their sights, the lake show will be motivated.

Thank you!

Can Ariza provide that kind of laughter during the interview? "Yoohoo, Kobe I'm free to shoot"....lol!

We all know RonRon is a keeper at the time of signing that would help the Lakers. Watch out when he becomes comfortable and expert in the triangle, he will be our perimeter monster too.

Look at the reaction of RonRon's daughter, she got tired of hearing his Dad BS with the help of champagne. LOL!

I actually watched him interviewed by NBATV with Rick Kamla (who doesn't care for the Lakers), Steve Smith, and Brent Barry. I then saw the press conference live. My initial response was that Ron displayed the exuberance of a child winning a Biddy Basketball championship. It was phenomenal to see the sheer joy and positivity that such a controversial player with a reputation for being "thug-like" showed. It wasn't awkward; it was more genuine than anything else. I felt much the same way about Kobe finally opening up to the media. Both players were obviously relieved and euphoric that this outcome had occurred

Here's my video caption entry:

Confucius say, "man who win rings, wins the heart of the world"

lol.

Okay I'll admit it: As a Hoosier, I was bitter. I hated Ron Artest for the attitude and behavior he brought to the Indiana team that could have got Reggie his ring. I actually stopped following the Pacers after that fateful November night in Detriot.

But this news conference really made be forgive the man and move on. He acknowledged how he screwed the Pacers and showed growth despite his craziness. It is perhaps because of his craziness that it seems so genuine. I was rooting for Boston, but I respect Artest all the same.

" Ron [Artest] kept the Lakers there until Gasol and Kobe started doing their thing in the fourth," Johnson said. "Ron was not brought here for the regular season or the first two or three [playoff] rounds. That's not how the Lakers look at things. It's, 'Who do we have to beat for the championship?' and not 'Who do we have to beat for the regular season?' We saw two powerful forwards out there that we had to deal with, whether that was Paul [Pierce] or LeBron James.

"Paul dominated Trevor Ariza [in 2008] because Paul's too big for Trevor. But Ron never let him get to those spots that he did in '08. He had that one game in Boston, but that was it. Ron matched his physical play. Ron was unbelievable."

NICE QUOTE FROM MAGIC:
" Ron [Artest] kept the Lakers there until Gasol and Kobe started doing their thing in the fourth," Johnson said. "Ron was not brought here for the regular season or the first two or three [playoff] rounds. That's not how the Lakers look at things. It's, 'Who do we have to beat for the championship?' and not 'Who do we have to beat for the regular season?' We saw two powerful forwards out there that we had to deal with, whether that was Paul [Pierce] or LeBron James.

"Paul dominated Trevor Ariza [in 2008] because Paul's too big for Trevor. But Ron never let him get to those spots that he did in '08. He had that one game in Boston, but that was it. Ron matched his physical play. Ron was unbelievable."

Quote from a Boston Globe columnist:

Simply the best
No active player has won more championships than Kobe Bryant, only one active player (former teammate Shaquille O’Neal) has scored more points in his career, he will go down as one of the greatest Lakers ever, and Garnett believes he’s the best player in the game.

“Kobe is, period,’’ Garnett said. “I wouldn’t disagree with that. He makes his team go. He’s their life, does multiple things in the game, and every time you speak of Kobe, you speak of excellence, you think of excellence.’’

Garnett and Bryant are at the top of the list of players to make the jump from high school directly to the pros, along with Moses Malone. Bryant entered the league in 1996, a year after Garnett, and while many players flamed out after trying to make the same jump, the two of them adapted quickly to the rigors of the league, carving out careers that will land them in the Hall of Fame.

“He’s a class act,’’ Garnett said of Bryant. “Plays with a vengeance and tenaciousness. He’s well respected around the league. I can keep going and going.’’

-Kevin Garnett

Wonder if Larry aka Mamba24 will still hate the "bald headed green lunatic" after this props to Kobe.

Laker Tom, After reading Broderick Turner, doesn't appear like the Lakers will making an offer for Kyle Kover. Which I also think would be a GREAT addition, they would prefer to not use the mid level.

Reaction: Champagne and Meds Don't Mix!

Artest: Kobe passed me the ball!

Must rank with:

1. Yes, I'll marry you.
2. My dad bought me a car!
3. The earth is round!
4. A B! Mom, Dad, I got a B in English!

Ok MM, this is mine:

"i want my statue to look exactly like this"

FAN, I'm not trying to take anything away from Ron, but we should remember that Ariza was coming back from an injury during that series. I don't think he played in all of the games and the ones he did, he averaged about 5 minutes. Pierce did all of his damage against Radma and Luke. Not only that, but Pierce was able to play "free safety" because Luke and Radma never got it going on the offensive end. Again, just saying.

E, you are dead point, appears everyone has forgotten Ariza was a very good defensive player. We all know Thriller is not well, watching him day in and day out is like a Train wreck. But you can't help but like the guy, because he's real, has nothing to hide. Like Devel said "Champagne and Meds Don't Mix" he's subject to say ANYTHING without the SAUCE.

What an open book Ron Artest is, his identity is transparent now, in all its random splendor. Lakers do not win tonight without Ron outscoring Pierce and holding Boston's top scorer to 5 for 15. Ron's 5 steals prove he wanted the ring that The Zenmaster drew in his mind.

Ron Artest started the series showing the Celtics that the Lakers are tougher now, and he ended the series showing the Lakers how to persevere.

Lakers do not win without this HUGE game from Artest. Ariza was fun to watch and is definately missed, but with the physical style of play that was the 2010 finals, Lakers needed Artest to get the job done.

Just like Ron said to Kobe in 2008, "I won't let this happen to you again." Thank you Ron Artest!

And guess what? Lakers will now utilize his post play and driving ability even more next year. Atest should get even better next year. Hooray for sports psychologists!

Queensbridge!

Indeed, Thriller was a bigger talk-about than Kobe on the Day After. His child-like joy won hearts everywhere I turned. After a season where so many expressed doubts about Ron, it indeed made me happy to see his night of redemption.

It seems the Lakers have already turned to the task of setting the table for next season, with serious turnover on the bench.

http://bit.ly/dqpYcu

According to the LAT story by Brad Turner, gone will be Farmar, Mbenga, Morrison and Powell. Shannon Brown is a maybe, depending on interest elsewhere. Steve Blake, Earl Watson and Luke Ridnour are among the point guards being looked at.

Those on the "gone" list clearly have not won the confidence of Phil Jackson. I'm OK with that. The team needs bench players who can earn minutes, not just play the role of the next opponent in practice. I had held out hope for Farmar, as many of you know, but the only word that can describe his season is "disappointing."

As hard as it is to win two titles in a row, winning three is exponentially harder. The Lakers need a stronger bench to play more regular season minutes, so our starters have more gas left in the tank for the playoffs. Our starting five were truly warriors to have pulled out Game 7 in the waning minutes of the Finals.

It's crazy to be even contemplating this, considering the victory parade down Figueroa is still a few days away. But if David Stern symbolizes nothing else, it's that the NBA is a business and that's just the way it is.

The Lakers brought us fans some incredible basketball and all the rewards we could ask for in this 2010 season. Not only do we have back-to-back championships, but we also have a community on this blog that is the envy of all the trolls who've visited here. I'm glad the team's execs are already planning the changes that will keep the ball rolling in the 2010-2011 season to come.

2Phatt - I read that Turner article but it basically has us not bringing back 4-5 free agents and not using mid-level money to fill the holes. That seems a bit odd to me. We carried a league minimum of 13 players last season. The bi-annual exception won't be available next year (we used it last year on Shannon). Lakers would have to sign two late second-round rookies and then split vet minimum between 2-3 players? The math just doesn't really work.

My Lord, there are still people here romanticizing over Trevor Ariza? Folks, Trevor would have been destroyed by Kevin Durant in the first round, and Pierce in the Finals (if we'd gotten past OKC).

To excuse Ariza's defense against Pierce in 2008 due to his then-recent injury is to totally ignore how Carmelo Anthony destroyed him last year (when he WAS healthy). Ariza is great if you don't play any team with a big and strong small forward. Considering the likelihood of having to face Carmelo, Durant, and either Pierce or Lebron, signing Ron was a no brainer, and last night (and this series) proved it.

Wonder who is nuttier, Artest or people who thinks Artest is nut?

Ron needs his own reality show. I'm sure the ratings would be through the roof!!!!

Hello Boston fans . . . . Boston fans . . . . where have you gone? This is your Captain: Take the Green line to Government Center - transfer to the Blue line and get off at Revere - get a lobsta roll at Kelly's. It's official - there is now nothing else to do in Boston. We lost, they won. I gave the MVP to Kobe - that is all.

U r right on point DAVE M. U couldn't have said it any better.

What if we picked up another old Kobe nemesis, Raja Bell? He defends and shoots the 3 really well. He would also add grit, toughness and experience off the bench.

I wonder what experienced big man the Lakers would be interested in picking up during the offseason. Anyone have any idea? Besides Shaq, what other big man is available?

I realize Magic Johnson was trying to be unbiased now when he said the Celtics would win.

Glad to read that he would help put up money for Phil to stay and for Kobe to get his own statue in front of Staples. He's a Laker, through and through.

Its great to live in a city where we can make folks into Angelenos. None of this reliance on one home grown talent like Lebron. You don't have to be from here to be one of us. That's great.

I agree with dave m., it sounds weird not using mid-level money. But I agree that Jordan is probably getting a starter position somewhere else. And as much as I like Jordan (UCLA guy), it will be a good thing for both parts. He will learn a lot being a starter (and he can be a starter in several teams, guy's good) and we'll free some salary cap. Ammo and Powell are not gonna be missing (2 nice guys, btw) and DJ...well, I think DJ could have become a beast in the hands of a coach that knows how to prepare a player, not PJ. He'll probably thrive in another team...oh well...
Ok. Now that we got rid of these guys, what to do with the remaining cap?
Steve Blake? Plz, the guy chokes, not a Laker.
Earl Watson? Gee, why? As a starter? Are you kidding me?
Luke Ridnour? This is probably a joke, right?
All these guys are questionable. Blake is the best (argh) option, but he chokes. No, thx.
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If we're giving up Jordan, we need a PG at least the same level. Hinrich is..erm...ok. Kyle is ok, I guess (oh, gee)....Nate Robinson would be interesting...
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Dang, I'd love to see Wade and Kobe together...(sigh). I know, we don't have the cash...
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There's this talk about getting a veteran center for a low salary...Marcus Camby anyone?
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Anyway, I hope Mitch makes good use of Mr. Buss's money!
Cheers.
PS: GO LAKERSSSSSSSSSSS!

What about DJ Agostin?

Though RonRon's stream-of-conscience interview is so bizarre you can't help but laugh, if you listen to his words, it appears he carries a lot of guilt about what happened with the Pacers and even called himself a "coward" for leaving them. I think he really does view this championship as a form of atonement to prove to himself that he's a team player and good guy.

Oh, and the Trevor-Ron thing is non-sense.
They're 2 totally different players. Trevor is awesome, way more reliable on O, his D is ok. Ron is the best on D, bring some muscles to the team. At the end, it's what fits better, and Ron fitted like a charm. He killed most of "superstars" players, the only guy that stopped Durant. I love Trevor's bball, but we're good with Ron.
Cheers.

Ron Ron is all heart.

Hey, he said I'm done! Well, see ya later!

I love u ron

Matt Barnes???

Ron Artest? MVP of Game 7 of the NBA Finals? *And* MVP (Most Voluble Performer) of the news conference?

He's come a long way from the stands of Detroit.

God bless you, Thriller.

What do we play for? RINGS!!!!

Lakers Today... Lakers Tomorrow... Lakers Forever.

GO LAKERS!!!

This is coming from an Oklahoma City Thunder fan... I felt great for the Lakers winning the title. Part of it is selfish... there's a certain degree of pride in knowing we pushed the Lakers hard, and I'm looking forward to seeing Kobe and the Lakers in the playoffs for several more years to come. But I don't care what anyone says... the Lakers were all class when talking about the Thunder, win or lose, and I gained a lot of respect for them. I was pulling for them over Boston.

But in a world with so much negativity, wouldn't it make sense that we find a hero in a guy like Ron Artest? Here's a guy who looked to be forever linked to one of the ugliest moments in sports history, a talented basketball player whose name became a punchline or rallying cry against the sport. The decision by the Lakers to bring him in was met with derision. Writers probably already had the story written, that the Artest experiment cost Los Angeles the title.

The end result? Not only do the Lakers win a title, but Ron Artest becomes a hero. He made us laugh, but he also let us feel his joy in that moment in a way I'm not sure any other athlete really has. Congrats to the Lakers, and to Ron Artest. You earned it.

Fan,

you wrote: "Paul dominated Trevor Ariza [in 2008] because Paul's too big for Trevor. But Ron never let him get to those spots that he did in '08. He had that one game in Boston, but that was it. Ron matched his physical play. Ron was unbelievable."

my response: in 2008, the starting SF was Vladamir Radmonvic. Ariza was
coming off of a broken foot and had only been with the Lakers/triangle
offense for a couple of months. Feel free to check the box score.

re: Ron vs. Ariza. You're talking about strength vs. speed. Yes, Ron does
have quick hands. There is nothing to show that Ariza could not have
continued developing on the defensive end. Given Kobe's injury ... Ron
came in very handy.

Perhaps a better way to phrase it is: If we're going to spend 5 years grooming
a center, who still isn't ready .... then spending a couple of years on a *fast*
small forward doesn't seem unreasonable.

Vid Caption

The real Ron Artest speaks out.
His play will make you cheer and make you cry,
but you can't but like this guy.

from the LAT article:

But whoever signs with the Lakers will have to take a pay cut because they don't plan on using the mid-level exception to sign a player. They will be looking to sign an experienced big man for the veteran's minimum, which will be as much as $1.325 million for a player with 10 years or more of experience.

The question: which experienced big man is available?

Been reading some post about how Mike Wilbon is running his mouth.

He has no validility in NBA, MLB, MLS or in the NFL oh and in the NHL.

All he cares is about his Chicago teams. Of course MJ is going to be the best player in his mind. Anyone who comes out of Chicago is going to be his favorite player. Props to Tony K for calling him out when he can't choose a winning team that is not involved w/ Chicago.

Mike Wilbon, you claim friends w/ everyone, specially w/ Tiger Woods and Charles Barkeley.

What have they done lately?

Lakers new roster for the next year shouldn't include Farmar, Odom, Powell.

Even though i would like the Lakers to include Morrison on the offense, he is also not going to come back.

What i see is the Lakers trading for Chris Bosh and going hard for Rip Hamilton and or Tayshaun prince. In order to get them will take a trade. Don't u guys think the Pistons will trigger that trade?

I love my Lakers but i see everything being done for a 3peat. As in get any old player that wants to win.

After that we will rebuild. Every basketball player wants to play in LA. Why does every free agent visit LA ?

Word is after Jerry Buss gives up control of the Lakers, the next owner is going after the best player that can bring the most cash to his stadium. lol, did i give that away?

Lebronze to the Clippers, Joe Johnson to the Clippers as well.

Believe it or not, Chris Bosh is the most important player in the offseason for a tittle. LBJ is good for the cash.

E, you are dead point, appears everyone has forgotten Ariza was a very good defensive player. We all know Thriller is not well, watching him day in and day out is like a Train wreck.

Posted by: 2Phatt | June 18, 2010 at 10:24 PM

he just won us a title and he's "not well"? lol. he should have been the defensive player of the year.

Lakers new roster for the next year shouldn't include Farmar, Odom, Powell.

Even though i would like the Lakers to include Morrison on the offense, he is also not going to come back.

What i see is the Lakers trading for Chris Bosh and going hard for Rip Hamilton and or Tayshaun prince. In order to get them will take a trade. Don't u guys think the Pistons will trigger that trade?

Believe it or not, Chris Bosh is the most important player in the offseason for a tittle. LBJ is good for the cash.

Posted by: Joe_ Corad | June 19, 2010 at 04:57 AM


gimme a break. Odom came in in the 3rd and changed the match, like he always does when he's on. Lakers don't need Bosh, or Prince (it would be a good add, but I wouldn't give up Odom).
Morrison... lol.

Lakers main target is Will Bynum. If that is not possible it will be CP3. Byron Scott will eventually be the coach. Byron's success always follows the best PG'S. Anyone remember J.Kidd and CP3?

Maybe Rubio from Minnessotta. Who is the head coach of that team? Maybe he is that designated secret agent? Otherwise why would he be so happy to comment on radio after the Lakers beat the Celtics?

Joe_Corad, you're spinning a lot of fantasies there, my man. Slow down. If you've watched the way Mitch and his team work, you will see that they are not on the same page as you. They are bold, yes, but also (and more often) deliberate and incremental. Especially after they've won a championship. The Pau move was an act of certain desperation, born of circumstance; the same could be argued in the case of Artest.

HOWEVER, these are far from desperate times. The Lakers just won the championship, signaling that they are the best team in the league. So, let's do as Mitch does: think inside the box, incrementally.

The team has player needs, yes, but they are not severe. Moreover, they have to solve the head coach position first. Since Byron Scott is rumored to be in line at Cleveland and since the Lakers are pretty well dug in as a triangle team with the personnel they have under contract, it is unlikely that Scott will be the guy. He might once have been (a year or so ago when Phil was hemming and hawing, but not any longer). Circumstances change, so do solutions.

If Phil does decide to step down, then the job will almost certainly fall to one of the assistants for the sake of continuity. Although Cleamons has had head coaching experience (and Hamblen too), the job looks as if it will fall to Brian Shaw (for better or worse). It could have been Rambis's but he chose to make his life course elsewhere.

After the coach situation is resolved, if you've been following the conversations in the press, you know that they are looking for a combo guard who can shoot and an experienced big man (presumably who can board and also hit a shot).

They can't get Rubio without giving up Lamar (or more likely Drew--although with that contract of his, Lakers would also have to take someone else -- I wouldn't mind Kevin Love, but I am not sure if even that would be enough since he is under his rookie contract). Anyway, I can't see that happening. as for CP3, he is not built for this team and, besides, there's nothing aside from Pau or Drew that NO would be interested. They have David West so Lamar isn't the right fit for them.

So, again, let's focus on being incremental here--lord sakes, we just won the championship with the core. Why would you even entertain the idea of breaking them up? It's as much Lamar's threepeat as it is Kobe or Pau's, right?

L.O is too incosistent. Rather have a player who posts up the same #'s game after game.

Byron Scott will eventually be the coach. Byron's success always follows the best PG'S. Anyone remember J.Kidd and CP3?
Posted by: Joe_ Corad | June 19, 2010 at 05:18 AM
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I read yesterday Byron is being considered for the Cavs head coaching job, pretty sure it was the Cavs.

I think PJ will probably be back and they groom B Shaw to take over.
But who knows.


Hi Hobbitmage,

Agree with your comments on Ariza, but not the comment about the center who still isn't ready.
The biggest concern about him is his health I think, more than performance.

What would have been ideal was to get Ron and keep Trevor.
Woulda been a way deeper team.

The Hornets will give up CP3 easily, since his contract is done next year. They would rather get something instead of letting him go for free. N.O is losing money even as CP3 as the main attraction besides the Saints.

Yeah the Lakers won this years Trophy, but they are not going to win next year with the same team. Kobe is not going to get any younger. He needs helps, he needs a prolific shooter that can be consistent. I say go for Mike Miller. Kobe has always said he is the best shooter that he can't guard.

I'm not saying Byron Scott is going to be the coach next year. But eventually J. Buss would rather have him than Kurt Rambis or Brian Shaw. Byron is a proven coach. But like i said, he has been a good coach as long as he has a good point guard.

Regarding point guard signings: next year I think we'll bring back Fish but play him an average of 20-24 minutes per night, which he can handle at his age. The point guard coming in would only get the other 24, so getting someone of the caliber of Steve Blake, Earl Watson or Luke Ridnour would be appropriate for that amount of time(I like that Will Bynum suggestion and hope they look into him). Since the triangle doesn't require a traditional creator pg and could get by with someone who can dribble the ball up court and be a solid outside shooter(a la Ron Harper), it would be okay to look into the Anthony Morrows or JJ Redicks of the world too.

LMAO. I've read various news reports describing the candid comments Artest made during the post-game interview, but words do not do justice to his candor. He's so freakin' funny, and almost child-like in his enthusiasm. I hated Artest when he played for other teams but was so excited when he became part of the Lakers family cos I know how seriously he takes the games. Also, he's is very much the people's man. Unlike a lot of stars, he truly reaches out to his fans and hangs out with them. How many stars go for breakfast with the fans, play pick-up games with them, and show up at a stranger's house for dinner? He's done so many things that endears himself to the average folks and he comes across as genuine in his intentions. Phil described him once as "an innocent lamb" which I thought was quite on the mark.

I am certified as a huge fan of Ron-Ron. I wear only one jersey - KB24's, but definitely Ron37 is next on my list.

Players always hop on bandwagons as supposed fans do. Why not Iverson? Well maybe except he wants money more than a ring. But what if he would take the mid level exception?

Lol but like someone pointed out to me, too much wishful thinking.

Mike Miller is a huge defensive liability -- as many points given up as he gets. They already looked at the Miller option a year ago -- (and to use your logic, he's a year older now). Most importantly, you did notice that the way the Lakers beat the Cs was with killer defense. They are not going to put another Radman back on the floor for extended minutes, believe me.

Even the Kyle Korver option being discussed (and J.J. Reddick and Luke Ridenour) pose problems for the Laker defense, should they join the team (which, they won't).

Look, there are about 5 perfect players in the NBA and the Lakers have 2 of them--and even they have defects! Look how often Kobe and Pau get criticized, day in and day out.

So, the main point is that you are never going to get a player who doesn't come with deficiencies. I mean, that was the discussion that kept the board juiced all year--DFish, remember? People wanting to trash him and find someone else. Now we have to endure discussion about throwing Lamar away? Get real. You don't think that every other team in the league wouldn't jump at having Lamar on their bench? And the reason is...? (rhetorical q--fill in the obvious blank).

I think someone already pointed it out but there would have been no 3rd quarter comeback in Game 7 without Lamar's hustle and effort. It could be argued that his follow on the Artest breakaway was just as big as the DFish 3.

And, why was lamar on the floor? Oh, yes . . . because Drew was injured. And how often does Drew get injured? Well, if the past is any guide--one major injury per year. So, when Drew goes down again next year (as he has every year for the last 3 years) who do you recommend will be capable enough to step in and ease the rebounding and post defense burden--Mike Miller?

You think that and . . . hey, I have some swampland . . .

Caption: 'acknowledge me people'

However entertaining he may be, Ron Artest is self-aware and insightful in a way that most of us would like to be. Good for him. I'm glad he woke up the people on the laptops. I wonder what goes on at those clubs that's so exciting.

Bynum would be trade bait for Toronto. C. Bosh is not a true center, but we don't need a center. As much as i have defended the importance of Bynum, he can't stay healthy and he is not dependable. We do not need lock down defenders come next year, we need reliable shooters.

All I am doing is suggesting players. How did the Lakers win game 7? Playing team defense, switching on opponents. It was not done on one on 1.

We need a reliable shooter. When Kobe or Gasol get double teamed, they need someone who they can throw the ball and know that they can make a shot.

Alright keep Lamar, but how much can anyone keep guessing when he is going to make a difference? I love the dude, but i am tired of thinking how great he can be if only he played out all his potential.

With the Clippers he was hindered because of his injuries. With Miami he was good and along w/ Wade made it to the 2nd round. But with the Lakers, he comes and goes. He has been healthy most of every season.

L.O is not consistent. Lakers should live or die with a player who post the same numbers in any game. Forget that L.O is a mis match for every team.

GOOD MORNING NATION....

I firmly believe our next coach will be Brian Shaw after PJ retires. Let's hope we complete the 3Peat to complete PJ's unbelievable achievements.

I am very curious to see what Mitch's priority list will be. Will we pursue another PG? I think Farmar wants a starting job, and Shannon will be looking for the money. Both players have 2 rings now, and personal gains will be their main focus.

I'm glad there are some issues to be addressed this off season, to keep us fans pre-occupied, while we wait for more Lakers Dynasty action. It will be a long summer...lol

Good morning. Am I the only one wondering how the LAPD will squeeze two million people along a two mile parade route?

I have defended Fish, AB, Artest, LO, Sasha, Brown and Jordan all season, especially the first 4 on this list...

Fickle fans always so quick to judge, forgetting the real season is the playoffs.

THIS team was formed for one thing...THE PLAYOFFS. Best stat to prove that, was Ron Ron and his heroics in Game 7. If Artest didn't do anything, but what he did in game 7, he DID his job. Who cares what he did during the '82 game practice season.'

What would we rather have...Our players performing dominantly, getting the best record, but fail during the playoffs...This is not the Cavaliers baybee...

This team is made for the Playoffs, these players know when it time to do work, as I have seen here every day...

What do we play for....RINGS BAYBEE!!!!

I'm still basking in the championship victory 2 days later...

Kobe was right, this time it was the sweetest of all, given who they were playing and being pushed to the edge in Game 7.

Discussions on next year's team are interesting but enjoy this moment!

I find it offensive that you use the words "lunacy" and "random thought process" to describe Artest's press conference, literally characterizing him and framing him as insane. He's the one honest guy who doesn't hold back and lets it all out, and you call him insane because he's all over the place after winning the NBA Championship?!?! This isn't a freakin job interview.

Yes, Artest has had a difficult past, but the guy just gutted out a stressful, hard fought game 7 against the Celtics to win the NBA championship!!!! He's excited, emotional, happy!!! Like Jimmy V running around the court looking for someone, anyone to hug. Cut the guy some slack!!!

Quote of the day:

"The only reason Bryant and Jordan are so fervently debated is because Bryant is the only player who has merited the comparison, and he has also managed to craft his own brilliant legacy in the process."

Steve--Thanks for the congratulations. You're totally correct in saying OKC really pushed the Lakers this year. They have youth and hustle and energy and grit, all they lack is experience which they'll continue to get. Durant is awesome and Westbrook is a rising star. Should be fun to see next year.

The Laker version of the Trappe Family.

Farmar wants a starting job, and he should get it. If he doesn't get it here, he gets it somewhere else.

This was one reason I wanted him to start this season: right now, you'd know how well he could handle the starting job. As it is, we're right where we were 7 months ago NOT knowing. Sticking him in there on limited minutes with the likes of Shannon and other bench players is not the same.

Money is a big problem right now. I don't see how you get someone of equal ability, talent, and upside for the money.

Then the second problem is having enough players on the team. According to Turner, the Lakers will have half a team and then a bunch of non-serviceable players. That will NOT put the Lakers in a position to pay for the other talent Buss is already committed to.

Yes, like a degenerate gambler, Buss will have to chase his money like he did this year if he's to make money.

Considerations:
Time put in with this team (how well they blend, how well they know the system)
Talent
Wage

Farmar of ALL the free agents seems like the most likely to come back. The reason is we have him restricted... so unless a team comes a long and pays him $5million a year, the Lakers match a reasonable offer (and again, assuming the Jordy himself is okay with coming back... and this is where it gets hairy, because again, he should have had some chance to start somewhere)

Iverson - was for it a year ago. Not for it now.
He's not "the answer" for our long term issues. He is an answer for lack of pt production on the bench, but he's not willing to come off the bench to a worse player, so he's not an option anywhere. I think he could be, but he'd have to beg Kobe to talk to Mitch type of thing... if he's begging, then maybe I give him a shot at vet min.

If they really are looking to cut payroll, the Lakers are going to have trade highly paid players for expiring contracts and/or multiple lower paid players. Think of that as a recipe for watering down. This is the Turner formula: if the Lakers let 5 guys go, then how are they filling the REQUIRED slots? If through trade, you're trading one guy and getting 4 back type of thing.

Blake, Ridnour - these guys don't excite me. Blake can play, but I don't see him as an answer. Ridnour is a NO.

Someone mentioned CP3. You never know what a team that loses money is willing to do. But having said that, there's probably better salaries they can dump. CP3 is their golden goose (makes them money)

If Magic is willing to pony up money for coach and statue (as he's done in his player days for others) then perhaps he'd be willing to mentor LBJ on how to run a conglomerate corporation. I've said for months that even this would be a long shot, but it's the only way the Lakers get LBJ.... and I don't need to say it, that would solve all personnel issues pretty much (but again, assumes minimum MLE type money that would have to be made up in other ventures, and I don't even see this as something he'd do)

Anyway, the more I look at this, the more I see the Farmar issue as coming to a head - and a big reason why I was so adamant about giving him a chance, even if it was just to show him that he actually does have a chance to get the job someday....

Wonder if Larry aka Mamba24 will still hate the "bald headed green lunatic" after this props to Kobe. Posted by: Lakergurl | June 18, 2010 at 09:39 PM
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WHY?, WHY LakerGurl did you have to show me that. Now I'm going to have to stop calling him Lunatic and give him some props. Lol! OH THE HUMANITY! Actually thanks for bringing it to my attention. We won the battle so we must be graceful in our victory...UNTIL THE NEXT BATTLE. LOL.
mAMAB24

hobbitmage:

No I did not it write it, it was an excerpt fom Magic Johnson, see this link: http://www.latimes.com/sports/la-sp-magic-lakers-20100619,0,3160547.story


Hobbit:

you wrote: "Paul dominated Trevor Ariza [in 2008] because Paul's too big for Trevor. But Ron never let him get to those spots that he did in '08. He had that one game in Boston, but that was it. Ron matched his physical play. Ron was unbelievable."

my response: in 2008, the starting SF was Vladamir Radmonvic. Ariza was
coming off of a broken foot and had only been with the Lakers/triangle
offense for a couple of months. Feel free to check the box score.

My Response: The above quote on Ariz was from Magic, no way Ariz can guard Paul or LBJ

EXCERPT FROM LAKERS GREAT MAGIC ON ARIZA VERSUS RON:

Johnson knows who was responsible for Thursday's victory on a night when Bryant stumbled, making only six of 24 shots, and Gasol sputtered on offense for three quarters.

" Ron [Artest] kept the Lakers there until Gasol and Kobe started doing their thing in the fourth," Johnson said. "Ron was not brought here for the regular season or the first two or three [playoff] rounds. That's not how the Lakers look at things. It's, 'Who do we have to beat for the championship?' and not 'Who do we have to beat for the regular season?' We saw two powerful forwards out there that we had to deal with, whether that was Paul [Pierce] or LeBron James.

"Paul dominated Trevor Ariza [in 2008] because Paul's too big for Trevor. But Ron never let him get to those spots that he did in '08. He had that one game in Boston, but that was it. Ron matched his physical play. Ron was unbelievable."

In that video, Jeron Artest is his son with his former Filipina girl, Jennifer Palma. The son's name is derived the parents' first names (JEnnifer + RON).

'Filipina girl' should be 'Filipina girlfriend'

Hello Mamba24.

Was Thursday as good for you as it was for me?

Hey I'm Filipino...why does everyone want a Filipina girlfirend?

:)

If Ron Artest is half as lovable in the real world as he was in the victory press conference, well that wouldn't be half bad. I hope he continues to thrive and prosper with the Lakers for a long time to come. Still, it would be nice if we had sub-titles when he talks.

Why me?


After the laker's championship a tornado ripped thru Indiana and took down all my power! No TV, no internet, no radio. Why?


Will I even be able to watch the parade?


Wes

THE OFFSEASON AGENDA !!!
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It seems as if each offseason brings its own set of critical issues to be resolved. Last summer, all the critical issues fell into place perfectly for the Lakers - Phil Jackson returned, Lamar Odom re-signed, and Ron Artest took over for Trevor Ariza. With the opportunity to three-peat next year hanging in the balance, here is my take on the critical issues that the Lakers need to resolve this summer:
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(1) WILL PHIL JACKSON RETURN AS COACH? YES! Other than an unknown health issue, there is no way that Phil Jackson is going to be able to resist the opportunity to coach his 4th three-peat. The symmetry is irresistible –12 championships in 2 sets of three-peats each from MJ and Kobe. That would be the ideal way for Phil to end the greatest coaching career in the history of the NBA.
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(2) WILL DEREK FISHER BE RE-SIGNED? YES! Without a doubt, Derek showed that he is one of the greatest clutch playoff shooters in the history of the NBA. He won’t be paid as much, play as many minutes, or maybe even start, but he will definitely get a chance with Kobe to win 2 three-peats. Ideally, I would like to see Fish agree to retire and join the coaching staff after next year.
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(3) WILL FARMAR GET A QUALIFYING OFFER? YES! The Lakers have until June 30 to make a qualifying offer of $2.8M to Jordan, a move that would make him a restricted free agent and allow the Lakers to match any free agent offer he makes. Unless some team overpays, I think the Lakers have a good shot at keeping Farmar. I don’t see a free agent point guard out there that is a better option.
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(4) WILL THE LAKERS TRADE ANDREW BYNUM? NO! Despite the frustration of 3 years of reduced play especially in the playoffs, there is no way that the Lakers have given up on Andrew Bynum or intend to trade him for another big man or point guard. Drew has pretty much shown that he has a great heart to go along with his great talent. If he stays healthy, the Lakers are unbeatable.
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(5) WILL THE LAKERS USE THEIR MLE? YES! With Fisher and Farmar returning and Sasha hopefully rebounding, the Lakers next biggest need has to be a great 3-point shooter, which is exactly what Kyle Korver is. I would like to see Jerry Buss step up to the plate and look to replace Amo’s expiring contract by signing Korver to give them the 3-point shooter off the bench to open the floor.
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(6 WILL SHANNON BROWN OPT OUT? YES! I think Shannon believes he will get bigger offers from other teams than the $2.2M player option he will likely decline to exercise. In a way, Shannon is not a good fit for the Triangle Offense and has not shown to be the defensive stopper the Lakers had once hoped for. The times when Shannon and Ron Artest were on the floor together were unreal.
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TOM

WES...Shannon IS a defensive stopper. He was all over Allen in games 4,5, and 7 and last year vs. Denver. What are U watching????? Plus his rebounds.

Ron can say whatever he wants. He was the Man of Game 7. Also, I love his childlike comments when he's drunk. I wish they had let him keep talking during the interview. No Laker fan would begrudge his enthusiasm and words.

'Kobe passed me the ball. He never passes me the ball......then I could hear PJ yelling in my ear....he can do that without talking...it's the Zen thing he has.... don't shoot, don't shoot...but I took that 3, and it went in'

Did any one see the Lakers on Kimmel? Artest was wearing a checkered purple and gold pair of pants. He's a trip! Gotta love what he did for the Lakers to win.

watched the replay....its just as nice to watch the celebration, relief, redemption, and satisfaction. In the moment, its a beautiful, beautiful microcosm of emotion....even sweeter considering the sort of bull this team has been through despite winning last years championship. Its beautiful validation.
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To me, Pau and Fish felt it, Kobe rejoiced in it..... Lamar and Ron looked as though they graduated.
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Though he didn't let it on, Phil looked like he especially enjoyed this. This was a roller coaster, and he loved every minute of it. Retirement is BS, not for masters of their craft. He would miss this immensely. I think he'll get a 1 year deal to get the crowning achievement, a 3peat.
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Its totally funny how Bill Russell has had to hand the finals MVP to Kobe. I respect him and all, but that proud Celtic is going to have to hand the finals MVP to others, probably Kobe, for at least the next 2 or 3 years.

LA Times reports that PJ will donate his $2 mil bonus to charity.

Hey Phil, my girlfriend's name is Charity!! 8-)

Art - FL Lakers Fan,

1 HOW ARE YA??? I'm still basking in the glow. :)

2. you wrote: Agree with your comments on Ariza, but not the comment about the center who still isn't ready.
The biggest concern about him is his health I think, more than performance.

What would have been ideal was to get Ron and keep Trevor.
Woulda been a way deeper team.

my response: Are you saying that from an emotional response because we
won or are you serious?

This past season, while Pau was out, Bynum had great games against
mediocre teams who didn't have solid Centers. Can you name the solid
centers that Bynum had a good game against?

This past season, Bynum put his all-star bid in front of playing team
basketball. Why does that show he's ready?

This past season, Bynum said "Of course I concentrate harder when Pau isn't
in the game." Why does that show he's ready?

This past season, during the month of December, Bynum displayed little or
*no* effort such that the Bosh trade was mentioned. Why does that show that
he's ready?

Finally, let's remember that he's got wide hips and he's knock-kneed. He has
begun to talk about himself being injury prone.

I *REALLY* appreciate that he played hurt.

Gasol's 1st year: 730 rebounds 169 blks 223 assists.
Bynum this year: 541 rebounds 94 blks 68 assists.

re: keeping Ariza & Artest. I don't think that actually works. It's nice to
have the option, but I think without the playing time neither is effective.
That's why I spoke about giving Ariza time to develop. Just my .02 cents.

2PHATT… Thanks for the info from the Turner article. He is probably right. I’ve always considered Amo’s expiring contract to be this year’s way would save the Lakers $10M and Sasha as next year’s. I’m just hoping that the euphoria surrounding the re-peat, the opportunity to three-peat AND tie the Celtics in championships, and the fear that the usual pretenders may close the gap in talent due to free agent acquisitions will lead Jerry Buss to change his mind. Korver off the bench would give Kobe and the Lakers big men a dead-eye shooter that would scare the ish out of the rest of the league.
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By the way, congratulations on your meeting Andrew Bynum in person. Man, I am so envious. I told Mrs. LakerTom that if I lived in LA, I would definitely start eating lunch every day out at NM. LOL! Anyway, a healthy Drew is the wild card the Lakers will have to play against the rest of the league next year. And hopefully a fully healthy Kobe Bryant and Lamar Odom and a summer rested Pau Gasol. I also think Sasha, playing in a contract year, will get that sweet shooting touch back. Three-peat !!!
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As for Ariza, he has his strengths and at times the Lakers definitely missed his speed in the lineup. Bottom line, though, Magic said it best that this Lakers team was built for the playoffs and not the regular season. No disrespect to Trevor Ariza, but Ron Artest showed why it was a genius move by Mitch Kupchak and the Lakers to sign him and let Trevor walk. What’s great about this team is that you can realistically claim the Lakers would not have won this championship without contributions by each of the five starting players, including Drew, or the bench. That is the essence of a great team.
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TOM

Its totally funny how Bill Russell has had to hand the finals MVP to Kobe. I respect him and all, but that proud Celtic is going to have to hand the finals MVP to others, probably Kobe, for at least the next 2 or 3 years.

Posted by: #4 | June 19, 2010 at 10:10 AM
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It was just disappointing for me when the Staples crowd boo'ed Bill Russell. Bill was the classiest Celtic on the floor that night, unlike those other clowns who walked away abruptly after the game was over.

Too bad, the Staples crowd had a chance to show some class.

some names that pop up and I get a headache......Nate Robinson and Earl Watson...this is one time I don't want to play imaginary GM.....We just won the championship.....and the way people are hashing roster changes, what do we have.....a house of cards or a brickhouse? (The Clippers had the outhouse...but that could change, but not as long as Sterling is around)....

LakerTom,

you wrote: (3) WILL FARMAR GET A QUALIFYING OFFER? YES! The Lakers have until June 30 to make a qualifying offer of $2.8M to Jordan, a move that would make him a restricted free agent and allow the Lakers to match any free agent offer he makes. Unless some team overpays, I think the Lakers have a good shot at keeping Farmar. I don’t see a free agent point guard out there that is a better option.

my response: an article on the LATs indicated that J-Farmar is wanting to
explore new pastures and possibly start. There was nothing in the article that
indicated the Lakers wouldd make a qualifying offer.

article - http://www.latimes.com/sports/la-sp-lakers-whats-next-20100619,0,4088566.story

snippet: Farmar, 23, who earned $1.9 million last season, will be a restricted free agent, meaning the Lakers can match any offer he receives.

But the Lakers probably will let him walk, according to an NBA executive who was not authorized to speak publicly.

And it sounds as if Famar is ready to depart after winning two titles. "I want to take a step forward in my career," said Farmar, who wants to be a starting point guard. "We'll see how it works out."

you also wrote: (5) WILL THE LAKERS USE THEIR MLE? YES! With Fisher and Farmar returning and Sasha hopefully rebounding, the Lakers next biggest need has to be a great 3-point shooter, which is exactly what Kyle Korver is. I would like to see Jerry Buss step up to the plate and look to replace Amo’s expiring contract by signing Korver to give them the 3-point shooter off the bench to open the floor.

snippet: But whoever signs with the Lakers will have to take a pay cut because they don't plan on using the mid-level exception to sign a player. They will be looking to sign an experienced big man for the veteran's minimum, which will be as much as $1.325 million for a player with 10 years or more of experience.

In addition, we have a 3-pt shooter. His name is Sasha. Hopefully, Kobe
will give his shooting program to Shannon for the summer.

My personal opinion is that if the Lakers make Shannon a remotely
reasonable offer, Shannon will take it. Everyone remembers Ariza. Do
you *SERIOUSLY* allow yourself to leave a team that has a chance to
win 3 more championships?

Let's put this in perspective: There has been 1 team, in the history of the
NBA, who has won more than 3 championships in a row. The Lakers have
a real chance to become the 2nd team to do that. Why would any aspiring
athlete take a few million over working with the best coach, the best player,
the best team & a chance at history?

ps. The Lakers looking for a vet big man means there's a chance a Bynum
trade happens. He played hurt and that will go a long ways to keeping him.
If Bosh is on the table, I think the Lakers look at it really hard.

The Snake....Bill is a classy individual indeed, unlike most everyone else in that organization and fanbase. But I certainly believe he expected the boos. I noticed the Celtics didn't shake hands, but I think it b/c they were shaken to the core. I don't think it was out of spite like Detroit's famous walkout.

That was a good to great team, probably put together right at the very end of the Big 3's peak.

It was just disappointing for me when the Staples crowd boo'ed Bill Russell. Bill was the classiest Celtic on the floor that night, unlike those other clowns who walked away abruptly after the game was over.

Too bad, the Staples crowd had a chance to show some class.

Posted by: The Snake | June 19, 2010 at 10:24 AM

I agree. I was hoping they wouldn't boo him. It was almost as bad as booing Sasha at the parade last year.

As unorthodox as it may seem, an occasional starting line-up with Kobe at the point and Kyle Korver as the SG could be devastating. The moment an opposing team would try to double-team Kobe, they’d get killed: Gasol or Bynum scoring in the paint, or Korver knocking down a three from the perimeter. Pick your poison.

1. I cannot fricken believe the parade is on the same day I'm starting my new job. Fricken ridiculous.

2. The Lakers need to sign Steve Blake. That's really it. Steve Blake and a healthy Andrew Bynum equals a return to the Finals.

What do we play for? RINGS!!!

Lakers Today... Lakers Tomorrow... Lakers Forever.

GO LAKERS!!!

TIM… As a long-time Jordan Farmar supporter, I can appreciate the point you are making about how it would be great to know now how Jordie would do as a starter. Considering how little the regular season really counts, it would have been a smart move to make. Anyway, I’m right there with you now that I don’t see a better option out there when you consider his familiarity with the Triangle Offense, the fact that we can make him a restricted free agent, and the lack of other affordable options.
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I would really be surprised if the Lakers didn’t give Jordan a qualifying offer. That would indicate that they really had zero interest in him returning. Since they have nothing to lose by making a $2.8M qualifying offer, I think it’s a no brainer the Lakers will make Jordie a restricted free agent. The key then of course will be how much other teams are willing to give him to leave the Lakers and whether the Lakers will match. Considering that proven starters like Trevor Ariza and Ron Artest could be signed for the MLE, I think the chances are good that the Lakers will be able to keep JF.
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I could see a scenario where Jordie signs a 1-year deal with promises he would get a chance to start. This would enable both him and the Lakers to see how the arrangement would work. It would show faith from both sides. And it would make Jordie an unrestricted free agent after the year, just as if he accepted a qualifying offer. In his heart, I think Jordie wants to start AND remain in purple and gold. This is his dream team and he has seen what happened to Trevor. He can smell championships.
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I also don’t agree with the fans who believe Jordie is not a good fit for the Triangle. In fact, I think his speed is exactly what we need in the starting lineup to make up for the speed we lost in the Artest for Ariza “trade.” When you take into consideration transition offense and the times we run isolations or pick and rolls, we probably don’t even run the Triangle Offense more than half of the possessions in a game. I like the idea of Jordan’s speed and quickness starting and Fish backing him up off the bench. I don’t see any other option at this point that is as easy to implement, affordable, or sure to succeed.
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TOM

I just don't see where Farmar is handed the starting PG job:

Pho: Nash
GS: S. Curry
SAC: T. Evans
LAC: B. Davis
DEN: C. Billips
MIN: J. Flynn
POR: A.Miller
OKC: R. Westbrook
UTAH: D. Williams
Dal: J Kidd
SA: T. Parker
Hou: A. Brooks
NO: C. Paul
Mem: M Conley
Bos: Rondo
NY: Duhon
NJ: D. Harris
Phi: J. Holiday
Tor: Calderon
Was: G Arena
Orl: J. Nelson
Mia: Arroyo/Chalmers
Atl: M Bibby
Cha: R Felton
Chi: D Rose
Cle: M Williams
Mil: B Jennings
Ind: TJ Ford
Det: W Bynum/R Stuckey

Of all those team I see maybe NY, Miami, Indiana and Detroit as possible places he could start. Of those who would give him the money he wants?


Still on CLOUD 16..............Now we have to wait to see whose coming and going. It's going to be soooo BORING without Laker's Basketball. All you SPECIAL BLOGGERS, have a GREAT summer, and if I lived in LA I would be at the parade. Cheer loud!!

Hey hobbitmage,

Back to the Drew argument that has persisted all year I see.
:)

You asked:

" Are you saying that from an emotional response because we
won or are you serious?"

My answer: yes.

I am willing to discount the season activity you referred to and just judge him on the playoffs. After all, some smart poster mentioned that quote from Magic (related to the Ron/Ariza debate) that the Lakers don't design their team for the regular season, they design it for the playoffs.

Drew was a handful for every opponent in every playoff series, even though he was injured.

I am willing to give him the benefit of the doubt and trust that he has learned some things this season and has matured.

Drew has a tendency to respond honestly instead of what might be more politically correct, like his comment of wanting Boston before the playoffs were even done. So he wants to be an all-star and he said so. I don't have any problem with that.

So he said he tries harder when Pau is out. I would bet the other Lakers tried harder when Kobe was out for 5 games. My only point is I think that while he shouldn't have publicly admitted it, it's not uncommon for other players on any team to try and pull together and 'try harder' when a regular is missing.

You mention December was not a good month for Drew. The season is a long dragged out affair. Even Kobe had his off times, LO comes and goes, Ron had off times, etc.

Drew is still so young. A couple of threads ago when some folks were critical of Kobes game 7 you wrote that we should give him a break, he is human after all.
I would say the same for Drew.

I suspect he has learned some things about the importance of defense in these playoffs and will more willingly embrace that aspect of his game next season.
Time will tell.

As for his injuries, I did mention the risk with him is health, I don't dispute that. He may very well be injury prone but that's something that is TBD.
His first two injuries were debatedly freakish accidents.
Let's hope he is not injury prone, but the jury is still out on that one.

What center would you trade Drew for that's a realistic possibility?

As for your comparisons of Drew and Pau stats, are those stats from Pau's first year in the league or first year with the Lakers?
How many games did each of them play for those comparisons?
Finally, you are comparing Drew to what many call the 'best big man in the game'.

I am not claiming Drew is the best big man in the game.
In my original post I said I disagreed with your comment :

"Perhaps a better way to phrase it is: If we're going to spend 5 years grooming
a center, who still isn't ready... "

Perhaps I should have asked what you meant, ready for what?
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As for Ariza, you said it wouldn't work having him and Ron due to not enough playing time. Ariza could sub in for Ron or a guard or LO depending on who is on the floor. When Ron had the trouble with his feet this year he could have taken a bit of time off but lack of depth may have prevented that.
Anyway, guess that's a non issue at this point.


Just watched the 4th quarter of game 7 again, wheweee!

Laker tom,

I like your comments about Jordan and agree. I hope Turners article is wrong. I wish Jordy would have gotten more PT this year to flush out this debate, but it looks to me, after reading the Turner article, that Farmar is going to be allowed to go and they keep Shannon.


hobbitmage:

You wrote: If Bosh is on the table, I think the Lakers look at it really hard.


Maybe they do, but maybe it's a trade of LO + someone if more dollars needed to make it work.

I will be shocked, shocked I say, if the Lakers trade Bynum, not becaues I like Drew, but because I think Drew was a pet project of jr. Buss.

Also, who would Pau prefer to pay with, Bosh or Drew?
That might carry some weight.


Hey ART, I couldn't but notice your conversation with Hobbit and here's my response to yours.

"I am willing to give him the benefit of the doubt and trust that he has learned some things this season and has matured."

You may have think 2 different things. Has Bynum showed heart? Yes! Playing injured is showing heart. Mature is different.

After Game 2 of the Suns series Bynum talked about how he was looking forward to the Celtics in the MIDDLE of the Western Conference. That just helped give the Suns ammunition as they played spectacular in Games 3 and 4! Before the "he was just telling the truth" argument, NO OTHER LAKER said what Bynum said. Even Jordan Farmar, whom was stating at the time that he was going to start in LA or wherever else, said the task was defeating the Suns first before thinking about Boston. The Suns tied the series....took a game winning shot by Artest in Game 5 to win it.....and what was a double digit lead in Game 6 was brought down to 2! Phil Jackson called it a brain fart from Bynum and did Bynum keep on saying after the Suns series similar stuff from that? No and a big reason why is he learned to keep his mouth shut. Kobe's performance in the Suns series was nothing short of spectacular and again bailed Bynum's out of his big mouth.

Then before Game 7 of the Finals he said it was "Guaranteed" the Lakers would win and yes the Lakers did win but again was it "guaranteed"? Did we again blow out the Celtics? No the Celtics fought with intensity and the Lakers had to GRIND their way to the win and in the closing minutes the lead was down to 2. The win was by no means "guaranteed" as much as Steve Nash's guarantee that the Suns would win Game 6 or Glen Davis's guarantee about winning Game 7. Does Kobe guarantee that he would win the game? No. Even young Kobe who was very outspoken would never guarantee a win because he knew how difficult each game was AND it would only give ammunition for the other team.

Does Bynum show heart? Yes though I think Guts is the more appropriate term. Maturity? Not by a longshot and while people excuse his age....don't forget Bynum has been in the league for 5 years...it's not like he's some rookie coming out of college.

"As for your comparisons of Drew and Pau stats, are those stats from Pau's first year in the league or first year with the Lakers?"

The comparisons that Hobbit used I believe were from this season and because both players played the same amount of games they can be judged more fairly. It shows that Pau has outplayed Bynum even though Bynum is our supposed franchise player and is being paid less than 2.5 million than Lebron James atm and producing less. That does beg the question do people honestly think that Bynum is on Lebron's level or even 23 year old Kobe? (Remember 23 year old Kobe was co-leading that squad to the 2002 title which included the memorable Sacramento series against Bibby/Webber/Christie/Divac).

"Perhaps I should have asked what you meant, ready for what?"

Hobbit sorry for answering for you but I think Hobbit was referring to Bynum's place as the franchise player. So many fans believe he's the franchise player already. Why? 15ppg when so many of his points are thanks to Kobe or Pau spoon feeding him? Does Bynum rule the offense? Does he take command of the defense and tell people where to go? Is a leader? Does he become a playmaker when defenses are focused on him? Is he worthy of being paid as Lebron/Wade? Almost all the answers is flat out no.

Don't me wrong Bynum is a great player. Neither me or Hobbitmage says he "sucks". The deal is though Bynum is being treated as franchise player yet he isn't even on Scottie Pippen's level (and that's being generous) nevermind 19 year old Kobe the sidekick level who just took command even when Shaq was on the floor. And despite all the injuries Bynum was overpaid this season overall (he has still the rest of his contract to prove me wrong). 15ppg for nearly $13 million (actually $12.5 mill) isn't enough unless you were filling up the rest of the stat sheet/having tremendous impact on the court (which while he did have an impact it wasn't what you would expect), being injured in the playoffs while understandable still isn't going to be an excuse (does people give Walton a break for being injured the whole year and basically getting $5 million? Not really). As another example Grant Hill in his time in Orlando was overpaid. It wasn't his fault he got injured a ton not to mention one of them was a complication but he was overpaid and many Magic fans didn't like the fact he basically played little and got a fat contract to begin with. Bynum's year was up and down but in the end he was overpaid even though it wasn't his fault that the injuries caught up to him.

Hey KB Blitz,

You mention even though Bynum is only 22 he has been in the league 5 yrs., I don't think how long he has been in the league can account for still just having the mind and body of a 22 yr old. He's like a college grad. Agreed he said some things he probably should have held his tongue on, but I don't see that as too big of a deal. Who hasn't dome the same thing at one time or another?

You said Bynum 'guaranteed' a win against the Celts, I missed that, would like to see where he said that.

You wrote: "Jackson called it a brain fart from Bynum and did Bynum keep on saying after the Suns series similar stuff from that?
No and a big reason why is he learned to keep his mouth shut."

That's actually my point, he is learning.

You wrote:
"Hobbit sorry for answering for you but I think Hobbit was referring to Bynum's place as the franchise player."

I didn't claim Bynum was the franchise player, we all know Kobe is first, Pau is second.

Actually I can't recall reading posts from anyone who claims that Bynum is the teams franchise player or that Bynum is the #1 option on this team or that he rules the offense or the defense. Maybe I missed those posts.

I do think he is a key player who has had and can have a significant impact both offensively and defensively.

I will ask you the same thing I asked hobbit.

Right now, would you really trade Drew for Bosh or any other center that's a realistic trade?

Of course, I wouldn't.

You wrote:
"Don't me wrong Bynum is a great player. Neither me or Hobbitmage says he "sucks"."

Well good, then it appears, to me anyway, that we all agree on that point.

 
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