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THE PLEASE COMEBACK PJ BUS

LEWSTRS
Jon K
lakersrydeordie
Steve
2Phatt
Magic Phil
Fatty
Tom, Long Beach, California
LAL818
Art - FL Laker Fan
#4
Lalaland
savvydude
SamLL
segeboy
Tom Daniels
isaac
Jeannies Bad
Logan
teddy wilson
Rick Friedman
justanothermambafan
LakerTom
Noah
longtimelakerlover
Jay Jay
LAL818
Nemaia Faletogo
LAKER TRUTH
Mamba24
LakerLass
mud
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FAN
Scott
Hügö Böss
tata
Steve
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Rocky
J-Dizzle
phred

Hop aboard and show PJ some love....

Rick Friedman wrote: Some changes remain on the table. Moving Lamar and his expensive contract considering his limited impact against his potential makes some sense, considering how many free agents are out there. If the Lakers can sign Raja Bell and a decent point guard, there's no need to retain Shannon Brown, despite his highlight reel athleticism. Mitch Kupchak has already let it be known the team would like Derek Fisher back with or without PJ and I'm OK with that as long as a viable alternative is also on the roster.

my response: It's amazing what different people define words to be.

I'm curious about the word expensive.

Bynum averaged 15/8 and he gets ~ 14 mil / year. he played 65 games.
http://www.nbclosangeles.com/news/sports/Lakers_Bynum_Close_To_Contract_Deal.html

Lamar averaged 11/10 [ 10.8/9.8] and he gets ~ 8+ mil / year. he played 82
games. http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=4367213

Pau averaged 18/11 and he got 16.5 / year. he played 65 games.

So .... How do we get limited impact & expensive contract associated
with Lamar Odom? Whenever Bynum or Pau is out, he's in and while
he's incredibly inconsistent ... it's hard to argue that he's anymore
inconsistent than Bynum. And this thing about limited impact is just
factually wrong.

However, to each his own ...

LEWSTRS,

Save me a seat on the PJ bus please, thanks!

sup sup sup yo yo yo...dizzle frizzle in the sizzle Q smack T in the house.. straight up to my homeys, artest ain't got nutin on me,. now you listen and losen up yer tie as I smack y'all in the eye..

peace out

Hey Fatty, glad that normal life is back with your family. The fire has a mind of its own, he was aware that he could not penetrate Fatty's defense.

@ Jon K -

Don't worry my man, it's just a fad. The kids will be bored of it in no time soon.

I bet by 1990 it'll be dead and gone...

I hope Phil comes back. I mean, who in the world replaces him?

*If these guards are available at the 43rd pick, I hope Mitch and the scouts have considered these players. I like Torrance at 6'5" 205 lbs., he is the ideal big point guard PJ likes...

Mikhail Torrance, Alabama
Greivis Vasquez, Maryland
Jon Scheyer, Duke
Jerome Randle, California
Sherron Collins, Kansas
Andy Rautins, Syracuse

*Chris Bosh look great with the new haircut...he doesn't look like the Predator anymore...

*Jalen Rose saying that LeBron is not returning to Cleveland...Cavs just lost 99% of it's fan base...

*Out are the Spurs and Mavs as powerhouses in the West...In are the Thunder and Blazers as the next dominant teams to give the Lakers a challenge...

*Is there a conspiracy in the World Cup...Team USA getting treated like the Lakers, having 2 goals called back, when the replays shows clearly they were good...

I hope Phil comes back. I mean, who in the world replaces him?

Posted by: longtimelakerlover | June 24, 2010 at 10:07 AM
Byron Scott.
I'm not saying he's better than PJ, just the only guy that Kobe will listen.

Mikhail Torrance, Alabama
Greivis Vasquez, Maryland

Didn't see Torrance playing, but Vasquez is very good and can play in multiple positions. The kid does almost everything. Is a bit like K Durant Lite.

VMan - Happy Birthday...enjoy your day, and hopefully Lakers pick up some good prospects today in the draft, for your BDay present...

Hop aboard and show PJ some love....

I think the Lakers should go for Doc Rivers

When I was young me and my mama had beef
Seventeen years old kicked out on the streets
Though back at the time, I never thought I'd see her face
Ain't a woman alive that could take my mama's place
Suspended from school; and scared to go home, I was a fool
with the big boys, breakin all the rules
I shed tears with my baby sister
Over the years we was poorer than the other little kids
And even though we had different daddy's, the same drama
When things went wrong we'd blame mama
I reminice on the stress I caused, it was hell
Huggin on my mama from a jail cell
And who'd think in elementary?
Heeey! I see the penitentiary, one day
And runnin from the police, that's right
Mama catch me, put a whoopin to my backside
And even as a crack fiend, mama
You always was a black queen, mama
I finally understand
for a woman it ain't easy tryin to raise a man
You always was committed
A poor single mother on welfare, tell me how ya did it
There's no way I can pay you back
But the plan is to show you that I understand
You are appreciated

Edwin Gueco,

>>>What will the lakers do with their two 2nd round draft picks? Can we get an
>>>evaluation on the players chosen in the past? Where are they now?

Sure, why not.

Lakers recent second round picks:

2003 - Luke Walton (32nd pick) - two time NBA champion and counting

2004 - Marcus Douthit (56th pick) - out of the league

2005 - Ronny Turiaf (37th pick) - solid contributor to Golden State

2005 - Von Waver (39th pick) - was a contributor to Houston in 2008-09, played some Euroleague, then a 10-day contract with Dallas last season.

2006 - Chiek Samb (51st pick) - traded to Detroit for Mo Evans. Played (not much) with Detroit for 2 years, then some Euroball

2006 - J.R. Pinnock (58th pick) - out of the league

2007 - Sun Yue (40th pick) - "Chinese Magic Johnson" didn't live up to the hype. Now playing in China

2007 - Marc Gasol (48th pick) - Current starting center for Memphis

2008 - Joe Crawford (58th pick) - Played in the D-league last season

So, in summing up, I'd say one excellent choice (Gasol), two solid players (Walton and Turiaf), one head-case streaky shooter (Wafer), and more typical second round fodder. So let's say 4 out of 9 had at least some success at the NBA level. So at pick #43, there's a decent chance the Lakers will pick someone who could make the team (if Vasquez slips that low, I bet he could make the roster). At the 58 spot? not as likely.

Laker tradition continues with the winning philosophy not with just one man's shouldering all the glories.

Posted by: Edwin Gueco

Does this means. Kobe too one day will be figment of our imagination? One day he too will be replaced by a stronger, better, yet another The greatest will show up and take LA by storm

Edwin - I see your point and agree wholeheartedly...But we have unfinished business at hand...If PJ really can't handle the rigors of another 82 games season, plus playoffs, due to his health...then I would humbly respect his decision...

But if there is anyway he can try, with the Lakers helping the cause, by maybe PJ staying home during some long and grueling road trips, I would love to see it happen...

These times would be good practice for Shaw, if he is the one to take over after PJ does retire...

My company motto is: "I'll Find A Way To Make It Work!"
Would be great if PJ and the Lakers takes the same attitude...

If Phil leaves, do the Lakers need a coach with experience, a big name, a proven track record?

Well, travel back in time to 1981.
A Laker player is sick of his coach and demands to be traded, some joker of a player named Magic.

Buss promptly fires coach Westhead and replaces him with some no name guy who was a bench player during his career and then went into broadcasting for a few years and then became an assistant coach to Westhead for about a year.

Buss picks this guy from the broadcast booth with little coaching experience who was a marginal NBA player to lead his Lakers.

And what happens?

In his first year coaching he leads the Lakers into the Finals and beats Philly for the championship.

He leads the Lakers to 4 consecutive Finals appearances, winning 2 championships. After missing the finals the next year, he takes the Lakers to 3 more consecutive Finals appearances and 2 more championships and he beat the hated Celtics twice while coaching the Lakers.

Not too bad for a no name guy who came from nowhere to take over coaching the high profile Lakers with Magic and Kareem.

Pat Riley did an ok job.

Another PG to consider. Delonte West. Reportedly on the table. TOUGH defender.

ART... I liked your post about Pat Riley and how he really had almost zero coaching experience when he took over the Lakers head coaching gig. Makes me seriously hope that we might see the same kind of lightning strike again. Phil returns for his final year and then Fisher retires and Buss surprises everybody by choosing Fish to take over for Phil, eliminating the two or three years of struggle with Byron Scott or Brian Shaw. Seriously, there is no better person to take over from Phil and keep this dynasty rolling than Dfish IMO.
~~~~~~~~~~~
TOM

ugghhh

Thinking about PJ leaving makes me puke in my mouth.

HOWEVER - I have confidence about a couple of things - the FO wants to win more championships, the FO doesn't want to waste any of Kobe's years, the FO will do what it takes to succeed.

I have no idea HOW the FO will do this. I just know they will. Or there will be trouble. With a capital T.

Meanwhile, I'll watch & wait and hopefully be able to keep my food down. Cuz this is upsetting - especially coming so very soon after SWEET 16. I still wanna cheer & gloat, and this mess is making it difficult for me to do that.

Right now I'm thinking these things...

Derek Fisher will return. Kobe wants him back, and I think he'd be willing to take 3 million per for a couple of years to have a shot at another ring or two.

Shannon Brown will stick around. He could probably make a bit more elsewhere, but I think he likes his role on the Lakers and likes winning championships.

Jordan Farmar will leave. He wants to start, and that won't happen if Fish and Jackson are here.

Raja Bell agrees to a deal. There may be other teams that want him, but Lakers are his best chance for a ring.

Javaris Crittenton comes back to the Lakers. I'm sure Washington doesn't want him back, especially if they keep Arenas. Critter has some experience with the triangle and a TON of upside. If he could harness that talent, he could be a strong contributor. Artest should introduce Critter to his psychiatrist.

Critter, Brown, Vujacic, and Bell would be competing for the backup guard minutes. It would do them well to have to compete to get the minutes.

All that I havent figured out yet is the deep backup front court positions. Powell? MBenga? Maybe. If they'd be willing to come back for the minimum and know that they're going to only play in garbage time or if someone gets injured. If not them, it would be easy to find replacements who are as good. Maybe better if they'd be willing to pay more than the minimum (which I doubt they would).

And who will be the coach. I'm betting on PJ, but it wouldn't shock me if he left, in which case I'd place my money on Byron Scott or Brian Shaw as the top candidates. It would shock me if one of those three wasn't coaching the Lakers next season.

If MBenga or Powell leaves, how bout...

Kurt Thomas?
Brad Miller?
Kwame Brown?
Craig Smith?

If not Crittenton, then maybe...

Steve Blake?
Luke Ridnour?
Earl Watson?
Chris Duhon?

Another name to add to potential backup C

Joel Anthony

So...

If Phil doesn't come back, we CAN NOT hire a coach without experience as a head coach. This means NO Brian Shaw or anyone from this Laker's bench. This is not the time to experiment at the sake of not hurting feelings. The only person I see coaching this team is Byron Scott, and he's a HUUUUGE departure from PJ. He's a hard nosed coach and I don't know how that'll work with Kobe. Maybe just fine. Either way, I think Scott's history in the NBA as a player and coach makes him the guy.

Wes

Rumor is that the Bulls are trying to negotiate a trade with the Clippers, presumably to send Luol Deng or Kirk Hinrich to the Clips (as a salary dump).

That could be pretty nice for the Clips -

Davis - Gordon - Deng - Griffin - Kaman is a pretty potent starting lineup.

Jon K:

You always speak from your rear and never think twice. So you know rap too has a place in American music history: Tupac's 'Dear Mama' Added to the Library of Congress

http://blogs.blackvoices.com/2010/06/24/tupacs-dear-mama-gets-added-to-the-library-of-congress/

Don't try to judge the book by its cover, try to find good in things that arn't so obvious.

IF YOU WATCH THE DRAFT on ESPN tonight for it will give you an INTEL on where LBJ is going, based on trades and teams off loading the players to make room for LBJ's salary.

Jon K.

Some more education for you:

Music from late rapper Tupac Shakur has been included as part of the Vatican's official MySpace Music playlist.

The seat of the Catholic Church released a list of 12 songs onto the social networking Web site's streaming music service this week when the site launched in the United Kingdom.

Among selections from Mozart, Muse and Dame Shirley Bassey is the slain rapper's song "Changes," which was released two years after his shooting death on a greatest hits album in 1998.

http://edition.cnn.com/2009/SHOWBIZ/Music/12/04/tupac.vatican.playlist/

http://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/tupacs-changes-named-as-one-of-the-vaticans-12-favorite-songs-for-new-myspace-music-playlist-78752967.html

Jon K:

Pope Benedict XVI: Big Tupac Fan:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1232714/Pontiffs-playlist-Is-Pope-Benedict-XVI-secret-rap-lover.html

Oops, meant if Buss wants to save money, not Phil.

I love rap. It's poetry. I don't necessarily love rap that's full of profanity, etc.. but I love it.

MrNano:

personally I am not a rap fan but was only making sure that jon boy gets his dose of medicine on regular basis to keep him grounded..hahaha

Halos Ant,

"Don't worry my man, it's just a fad. The kids will be bored of it in no time soon.

I bet by 1990 it'll be dead and gone..."

God, I wish. I have a minor in Ethnomusicology and, historically speaking, American music has evolved at an incredibly fast rate compared to that of other societies and it's been consistent. Generallly speaking a brand new genre of music has come about roughly every five years for about 120 years.

And then Rap came along and our popular music evolution has become completely stagnant.

It's been almost 20 years of this garbage and 15 years of it marketing a lie that street life is something to be proud of.

Dude, I've lived deep in street/thug life for 1 1/2 years in Akron and it is NOTHING to celebrate. It's something to evolve out of. That's it.

Rap is a cruel trick on American society. It's killing the creative soul of our culture.

And I say that without hyperbole.

It's turned music into a commodity without soul.

What do we play for? RINGS!!!

Lakers Today... Lakers Tomorrow... Lakers Forever.

GO LAKERS!!!

CJ,

Within every genre of music there are talented individuals. As a lyricist and wordsmith, Tupac was remarkably gifted. Most of his actual MUSIC he just stole from people with real musical talent.

When I say that Rap is garbage, I mean that it is 90-95% garbage, which is actually MORE garbage than real garbage.

It infuriates me that the media doesn't point this out.

And it bothers me when people say, "There is some good rap!" Sure. Of course. But overall as a genre is a static, go nowhere, negative, shallow, materialistic advertisement for stupidity and barbarity that has stagnated American musical development for 15 years.

And that's what's really important to be aware of.

What do we play for? RINGS!!!

Lakers Today... Lakers Tomorrow... Lakers Forever.

GO LAKERS!!!

I don't care what Kupchak does with the role players. My "untouchable 6" puts us in the "driver's seat" for another championship run.

Kobe
Pau
Lamar
Andrew
Fish
Artest

Hip Hop is a major part of my soul, my culture so I am def not gonna come on the blog and politic about it or whatever. People can have whatever opinion that they want or feel. Its not gonna dissuade me either way.

Right now, I wanna know what we are gonna do tonite at the draft and going forward.. I am anxious about all the basketball stuff, nothing else matters!!!

longtimelakerlover,

"I love rap. It's poetry."

Bad poetry for the most part that values rhyme far above meaning.

I spent 1 1/2 years being subjected to that garbage every night at work. I'd listen to the lyrics and there's rarely ever any coherent stream of thought. Maybe four lines of linear development of an idea that ultimately is sacrificed for the point of some forced rhyme.

Half the stuff doesn't make any sense at all. I'd even ask patrons, "What the [explitive] does that mean?" And people who were really into it would constantly say, "I don't know."

Fricken ridiculous.

And all the mysogyny is sickening. No wonder people can't former healthy families any more. No one respects each other enough to even care when they have a kid. They're too busy following their Rap idols into dumb thuggery.

Stupid posturing through nonsensical drivel.

It's not really even music.

What do we play for? RINGS!!!

Lakers Today... Lakers Tomorrow... Lakers Forever.

GO LAKERS!!!!

One of my takes on muscic is that it fills in the gaps our lives create. So for me, I see the Polka and Mariachi traditions as being the music of incredibly hard working people like cowboys and ranchers, people who kill themselves in the dusty sun and need a widly-opened valve to blow off the steam once the work has ended and the party officilly begins. This is why Polka has those crazy beats and scales.

How can one hate anything that gets the girls dancing?

Wes

Just a working man's opinion.

Wes

I spent 1 1/2 years being subjected to that garbage every night at work. I'd listen to the lyrics and there's rarely ever any coherent stream of thought. Maybe four lines of linear development of an idea that ultimately is sacrificed for the point of some forced rhyme.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2vdIxoOmUCE

If you don't like that music just ignore it don't thow rubbish/hate to it...at lees not in public.

I've listening that "shit" for 20 years and i still love it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HEgujH6Nh8k

kobe, fish , drew , gasol , and, dirk sounds good to me !!
and lo , ron ron , BEEZZY(shannon brown),and the rest of the gang man thats another ring !!!!! and thats what we play for L.A. that starting 5 is a nightmare on the glass and spreads the floor cuz now we would a bigg that can make the 3 lets get dirk