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Poll questions surrounding the Lakers' off-season

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There's no such thing as an NBA off-season, especially when the Lakers' title run immediately follows with a championship parade in downtown L.A., exit interviews, the NBA draft and soon enough, free agency. The Lakers' likely won't produce another memorable off-season, such as Kobe Bryant's radio tour or Lamar Odom's prolonged negotiations. And it likely won't catch the nation's attention, as say, where LeBron James ends up. Still, there are plenty of things the team must deal with once free agency begins Thursday.

The first order of business involves Coach Phil Jackson, who said during his exit interview that he's leaning toward retirement, a sentiment he reiterated in Montana on Sunday after giving the keynote speech at the Western Governors' Assn. annual meeting. Still, he's not expected to officially make a decision until later in the week after he receives results from the medical tests he took last week that caused him to miss the championship parade. 

Although the Lakers' core -- Bryant, Odom, Pau Gasol, Andrew Bynum and Ron Artest -- are locked into long-term deals, they have several free-agents, including guard Derek Fisher. It appears the team unanimously wants Fisher back. Lakers guard Shannon Brown recently opted out of his contract, though the Lakers own his "early-bird" rights. Guard Jordan Farmar made it abundantly clear he wants out of L.A. And if it were up to D.J. Mbenga, Adam Morrison and Josh Powell, they'd remain Lakers, though The Times' Broderick Turner recently talked to an NBA executive who said the team doesn't plan to keep any of those three players. There's the interesting revelation, as reported by The Times' Mark Heisler, that said the Lakers are considering dumping Odom's salary a season after re-signing him to a four-year deal worth $34 million with a player option in the final season. And there's the contention from General Manager Mitch Kupchak that the team's most urgent need involves the backcourt.

The Lakers will answer at least some of these questions this week, but in the meantime, it's best to hear what fans of the L.A. Times' Lakers blog think will happen. After all, they live and breathe this team. And they'll be the first to attest that there is no such thing as a Lakers' off-season. Based on the poll results below, I'll then follow up with an analysis piece assessing how Lakers fans think everything will transpire once free agency begins.

 

Photo: General Manager Mitch Kupchak says the team's most urgent need this off-season involves the backcourt. Credit: Wally Skalij / Los Angeles Times

 
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FCM- Thanks for the poll. Some interesting questions, a couple of them had too many options to just pick one. 1) I think 'who will coach' is the biggest offseason question, combining the first two options. I am sort of surprised that someone voted for 'resigning Adam Morrison' Both that they got that far down the list and that well, anyway.

2)I believe that Phil will return if he is in good enough health, which wasn't really an option, but that's my vote.

3)I guess I might have had a few thoughts on the subject that were previously expressed, especially at the end of the last thread, but I guess IF we get a good enough offer, we could trade Odom. IF we get a good enough offer, we should trade anybody. But i hope hey stays.

4)can we 'trade' for any of those guys? They are all technically free agents. I guess you are saying a sign and trade would be the way to get them?

that's all. thanks for the poll.

From Heisler's article, I cut out the relevant part, and about the only part I agree with- Yeah, Lebron is probably going to the Bulls, whoop dee do,

"The best option — for the team — is keeping Odom and signing Mike Miller and Steve Blake or Luke Ridnour, available triangle-style players who can shoot, with the team's exceptions."

-Heisler.

I guess. I mean, I didn't know Luke Ridnour was a triangle type player, and i've been watching him since he was 18, but whatever, I agree with the thrust of it.

phred - Thanks for the feedback. ALso I appreciate the feedback on the work on the blog. Very constructive. I'm trying to get back on my feet after taking the weekend off, but I'll let that blog post have more shelf life and then I'll give a more detailed response

MM

FCM - thanks, and hey, no prob.

Ok, I guess I could live with it if we let Odom go and signed Bell, Mike Miller and somebody else who is arguably decent. I think that proves that if you spend enough time reading on this blog, you can convince yourself of anything.

Uh Mark, either I am stoopider than I thought (very possible) or the Jackson question had a few problems like "NO 3 and 4" where "3" was a "yes".
Yes/no, no/yes, I felt like I was listening to my wife!

We should also consider looking Shaun Livingston.


What do we play for? RINGS!!!!


Lakers Today... Lakers Tomorrow... Lakers Forever.


GO LAKERS!!!

Jay Jay - Regarding Lamar?

You pretty much finished off that argument with your comment in my book. Lamar is a real deal.

This is not some utility fielder like in baseball, that just happens to play multiple positions, bats .250, and fills in OK until the regular guy is back. Lamar Odom is a solid player, that doesn't get the All Star stats on a team that is already loaded with stars.

Its my take, that his stats go up and down because of the need the Lakers have on any given night and what the match ups are. Whatever is needed to win, he will unselfishly do. A rare player indeed in the NBA.

"A prophet is not loved in his home territory"

Why so many are not enjoying his Lakers game contributions, I'm not sure why. But, I do have the NBA Pass, and most announcers from other teams, including their retired NBA color man, absolutely love his game and what he does to help his team win. They are amazed at his skills which create serious match up problems, causing them to change their schemes.

And most of all, they would give anything to get them on the team. Especially with his bargain contract.

The Lakers can only score so many points and get so many rebounds in a game. Lamar is just the odd man out sometimes.

And Hobbit....If you think calling a lady a heifer is alright, try using that language the next time you try and flatter your girl. "Hey baby, your one fine heifer!"

That may work in Wyoming, where they appreciate the fine qualities of cow, but not in most places.

Posted by: Fatty | June 28, 2010 at 03:31 PM

on the other hand of the other hand, to respond to my own query, (which i suppose puts me almost in the category of talking to myself, but i've had dumber conversations) I suppose if we have Odom to play serious minutes in the regular season, that makes it much less likely that Pau or Drew will get hurt and miss time.

Good point, phred. Why thanks, phred, and might I say that phred over there has a very cute butt. Ah, y'all phreds are too kind, a guy could blush.

Why no, I wasn't going to set fire to anything, Mr Leprechaun, but I guess since you asked so nicely...

Sigh. June 28th.

I haven't been able to figure out why the lakers wouldn't want back either Josh Powell or Mbenga. So why wouldn't they? Are they assuming they get more than the minimum and they don't want to pay more than that because of the cap? Other than money being an issue they are both great for what there role has been. So if they want to be back as, as the reports claim, then why wouldn't the team? They both play limited minutes, and have performed very well for what they are getting paid, and have good team chemistry. What am I missing here?

I haven't been able to figure out why the lakers wouldn't want back either Josh Powell or Mbenga. So why wouldn't they? Are they assuming they get more than the minimum and they don't want to pay more than that because of the cap? Other than money being an issue they are both great for what there role has been. So if they want to be back as, as the reports claim, then why wouldn't the team? They both play limited minutes, and have performed very well for what they are getting paid, and have good team chemistry. What am I missing here?

Raja Bell is a better defensive guard who can score.
If Byron Scott is the coach then the best coice is Chris Paul in a trade for Lamar Odom, and 3 others from the bench ( Morrison, Farmar & Mbenga/Powell)

traveling laker- since i'm here, and seem to be the only one, I will answer that you answered your own question quite well. They might both sign for the vet's minimum, but that would be still more than the Lakers would pay their two draft picks or other FA's who might get the rookie minimum or less than the vet's minimum.

Well, i can safely say I have probably used the word 'minimum' more than the minimum amount of times to answer that. Oh darn, I said it again.

Di not answer this one << Will Derek Fisher return?

If Dereck retruns he must accept a paycut and the bench role.

Lakers needs a young and good PG for all seasson. Also needs a center (Bynum has too many injuries) so Pau can play as PF where he plays/shoots better.

We will se what happens this summer.

Every day I'm on pins and needles about Phil. I don't want him to leave. And I don't like thinking what our bench could be like without LO. Yeah, he's inconsistent but now he's got all that championship experience. Also, who the heck's gonna fill in for Drew if he gets hurt? Yeah, Pau, but then that leaves us more vulnerable at the 4. Maybe I'm just too attached.

Also i voted Kurt Rambis as a coach but i'm sure the man will be Scott.

ross- I don't think too many people would not trade Odom for Chris Paul. However, phred over there still wonders about finding a big who can play enough minutes to keep Drew and Pau healthy, and possibly the salary differences between the two. CP3 is a pretty expensive option.

Breakfast- Any suggestions?

What does Mitch do for the Lakers during the season?

Does he have a 9 to 5 job where he sits at a desk and watches game film? No, that would be the coaches, I guess.

I know occasionally he goes to some rookie camp to look at kids that we will never draft or never intend to use in PJ's system. And again, I think his scouts and Ronnie Lester do most of that work.

Maybe his job is to polish the Lakers trophies, which I admit, can take an awful lot of time.

But I think he does nothing, just acts like he's busy(similar to most of us at work)........ until the off season.

This would be the equivalent of those hoards of H & R Block people who only work at tax time. This is Mitch's tax time. He needs to get busy and work some overtime. Its his time to shine.

In quick succession, he will have handled the draft, the free agents, and balanced the books to keep Dr. Buss happy.

These next few weeks can make or break our next season, based on what he does, or doesn't do.

If anyone needs one of 'The Banner Holders' prayers, it's Mitch Kupchak.

We did our part to drive the Lakers to the Title. The players, coaches, ball boys, and Lakers girls did their part as well.

Its now time for Mitch to do his.

MM great polls...It works great when you are sitting in the office on a slow day...

Keep up the Great Work...

Maybe the next poll you can ask:

Who has the nicest butt in the LA Times Laker Blog...;-)

So wait, is Phil going to make his decision about coming back before Cleveland announces their coach? And why the heck would either Scott or Shaw go there before they know LBJ would be back? Don't answer that, Shaw.

Hmmm. I knew a guy named Bryon once. He kept getting mad that everyone either called him Byron or spelled his name 'Brian.'

Why yes, Mr Leprechaun, these one phils do seem to make me larger, and these other phils do seem to make me small, but this phil that momma gave me doesn't do anything at all...

Fatty- that's not nice. He swapped Kwame for Pau. I would give him the Nobel prize for that one. And he has budgetary limitations. Who do you want, a Grunfield or a Pritchard who has all the money in the book and still gets the axe?

LEWSTRS- no way i'm getting a fair trial on that one. Besides, this isn't collegehumor.com. Take a little pity on FCM. I mean, some of those submissions might be fun to judge, but others...No, Winton, do not submit a picture....do not...

I will admit that I harped about PJ during the season some, but I do think I'd like him back! I'm flopping again, just like Sideshow Bob of the Cavs!

Breakfastsausage - Regarding Bynum?

He's pretty much playing for us very nicely until April, before he gets hurt. I think we need perhaps two options to solve this problem.

One, we hold off using AB until April just to tune him up for the playoffs

or.......

Two, we use a back up who can finish the season and playoffs, like say, Lamar Odom.

TRAVELING LAKER...
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“I haven't been able to figure out why the lakers wouldn't want back either Josh Powell or Mbenga. So why wouldn't they? Are they assuming they get more than the minimum and they don't want to pay more than that because of the cap? Other than money being an issue they are both great for what there role has been. So if they want to be back as, as the reports claim, then why wouldn't the team? They both play limited minutes, and have performed very well for what they are getting paid, and have good team chemistry. What am I missing here?”
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I think the team wants to reload its bench because they realize that none of the bench players who are NOT now contributing on a regular basis – Mbenga, Morrison, and Powell – are NOT likely to get any better in the future. That’s why the excitement about their two second round draft picks – Ebanks and Character – both 6-9 players who could develop into valuable contributors off the bench with potential to break into the rotation.
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In a way, you could say the same thing about Jordan Farmar, who were contributors but who were not destined to break into the starting lineup. As a result, maybe they get replaced by TMac or Raja Bell or Mike Miller or Kyle Korver, players who have already shown that they can be starters or valuable bench producers. Again, it about upgrading the bench. The Lakers held fast last year and as a result their bench was subpar. Now the team is determined to rectify that error. Is there a chance that the bench will be weaker? Sure, but most likely the moves will bring new life and new levels of competition that might really invigorate the bench and help the team win a three-peat. Anyway, I think the general move to redo almost the entire bench is a smart move.
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TOM

phred - i wonder sometimes if the anti-LO people even SAW game 7....
posted by: justanothermambafan | June 28, 2010 at 01:37 PM
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Justa,

Timely.

Just this afternoon I watched game 6 and part of 7 on NBA TV.

LO did not get a lot of rebounds, but he got "timely" one's.

The TV commentators sure like LO, fwiw.

I have been vascillating on the Lamar thing, but this post from hobbitmage does cause me to lean towards hoping he stays:

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"*PERHAPS* that is why BOTH Magic & Phil Jackson had to lobby for him?"
Posted by: hobbitmage | June 28, 2010 at 01:39 PM
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*PERHAPS* if BOTH Magic and Phil are willing to lobby to keep LO, then he is worth keeping.

If Magic and Phil recognize his value maybe us fans who are anti-LO should pause and reconsider.

Unless we get something good in return, LO needs to stay.

Shaun Livingston.

Raja Bell.

Steve Blake.

Kirk Hinrich.

Any one will do.

DBDH!

Oh, I think I've figured out worse Refs than in the NBA, WCSoocer, ha, ha,ha!

OOps. "In a way, you could say the same thing about Jordan Farmar" should have read Jordan Farmar and Shannon Brown.
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TOM

I'd like to nominate phred for nicest butt on the LA Times Lakers blog.

Boo on Mike Miller. His throat got in Kobe's way one time, thus producing a Kobe-less game I received as a Christmas gift a few years ago. Saw Kwame, though.

DBDH!

As far as the team goes, if we aren't going to grab someone like LBJ or Bosh or CP3, keep most of our guys and add Korver. And say, some of you in the REAL know, could Farmar really play PG and contribute? Sometimes I think he could and sometimes not. There I go again, flopping like Sideshow Bob of the Cavs. Okay no more references to SSB tonight!

Jeter - you could always flop like Paula....

T-Mac: 2010-2011 Sixth Man of the Year, Los Angeles Lakers.

Just sayin'.

DBDH!

LT- I'm not saying you are wrong, but check on that whole 'vet minimum' vs 'rookie minimum' thing. For one thing, if you aren't going to play a guy anyway, why not pay as little as possible for him? Whatever we might think about Powell or DJ, they did not play significant minutes. Would they next year? If Phil is coach, probably not. If Phil is not coach, whoever is the coach might just play some rookies, who are cheaper.

What do you think? You can answer without the caps and the whatever the wavy thing is, if you want.

I like Russell Westbrook and CP3 as PG. But i don't really know if it's even possible to get one of those.

And I think NO to T-Mac, just another injury waiting to happen, we've got Drew for that, ha, ha!

IF Drew stays healthy and gets better, we probably have improved our team by just that.

Go for Darren collison if you are going to trade Lamar. Shoot if u get rid of Lamar then make someone take luke contract too. pick up TMac and Bell Along with Shaq for Bynum insurance. Shoot Also take Bosh in the bynum bosh deal if its possible. Im am just hoping things turn out good no matter what happens in the next 2 weeks. This is nerve racking.

C/Pau/Shaq/Mbenga
PF/Bosh/Pau/Powell
SF/Artset/Tmac/Ebanks
SG/Bryant/Bell
PG/Collison/D Fish

Or

C/Bynum/Shaq/Mbenga
PF/Pau/Powell/Vet Min
SF/Artest/Tmac/Ebanks
SG/Bryant/Shasha
PG/Collison/D Fish

Justa- I'm not saying i won't run, but I will say I won't run if I have to give a 'speech' if you know what I mean. Throw your votes behind me (As Van Morrison didn't say) (The guy who ran against Teddy and the Bull Moose probably did, but whatever) (yes, I'm quoting weird stuff) and let's see if we can't make some history here.

Don't Blame Del Harris!- You might have the coolest name in the history of this blog. However, I am disappointed that you are prejudiced against Mike Miller. If you were aware of his skills, I think you might revise your 'anyone might do' argument, as he is way above some of those, and a bit above Ashton Kutcher, who frankly I don't like, and it has nothing to do with his metrosexual hinderparts.

That would be the kind of criticism hobbit would indulge in, not me.

Phred - Regarding Kwame for Pau?

I also kind of pictured Mitch sitting in his office like the Maytag repairman or like Batman in his cave waiting for something to do.

He found himself staring at the walls, bored to death, until some emergency rises, like AB getting hurt. Then watching his replacement, Kwame fumble the ball away so many times that he was booed out of the Staples center.

At that moment, I'm almost positive a red light went on in his office, sirens began to flash, and the Buss-phone began to ring.

"Get me Gasol, and get him now!!"

JAMF,

Yeah, just don't need that Paula wheelchair yet. Sorry about the Dodger game last night, just had to have the last laugh with my old manager, ha, ha!

Breakfast- It would be nice, but probably not. Good suggestions, though.

Dano- it would be nice, but we would probably have to get Okafor's contract back to get Collison, and that makes Luke's contract look very appealing.

No, Shaq is not worth it. Old, a locker room distraction, and can't play very many minutes (if he would, sure, but he won't get in shape) and would still demand at least (oh, how at least) the vet's minimum. Tmac? Another expensive risk, although if he really grovels, we could add him, but we couldn't count on him, so I doubt we would pay him.

Overall, I approve of y0ur ideals, but all that is expensive. very expensive.

Fatty,

you wrote: And Hobbit....If you think calling a lady a heifer is alright, try using that language the next time you try and flatter your girl. "Hey baby, your one fine heifer!"

my response:

1st. with the quality of education in America, do you think most
women actually know what a "heifer" is?

2nd. it would all be in the delivery wouldn't it ...

I don't like the idea of dumping Odom; when he's out there with any our bigs we have rebounding advantage, he can move the ball and already knows the system. He had an average season but he also was playing injured

"The Lakers will answer at least some of these questions this week, but in the meantime, it's best to hear what fans of the L.A. Times' Lakers blog think will happen. After all, they live and breathe this team.

And they'll be the first to attest that there is no such thing as a Lakers' off-season."
MM
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MM,

I know you can't really give yourself RCOTD,
but you sure nailed it with that one.
:)

Art - FL Lakers Fan,

you wrote: *PERHAPS* if BOTH Magic and Phil are willing to lobby to keep LO, then he is worth keeping.

If Magic and Phil recognize his value maybe us fans who are anti-LO should pause and reconsider.

Unless we get something good in return, LO needs to stay.

my response: *I* have not suggested that LO be traded w/in the last year.

my response:

1st. with the quality of education in America, do you think most
women actually know what a "heifer" is?

2nd. it would all be in the delivery wouldn't it ...

Posted by: hobbitmage


OMG hobbit - that was hysterical! LMAO!!


Fatty- no, I picture him running from place to place, with Kwame's contract, looking at the nuns, the groups of kids, Jermaine Oneal, and the lovely couple paddling by under the bridge and thinking 'Man, some days you just can't get rid of a bomb!'

I see your Batman reference and raise you a Batman reference. : ) : LOL )

hobbit- hey, even given the quality of education in Wyoming, I think you would fail on this one. nice try, though.

Art-FL- see Heisler's attached article

'they thought it was over. It's never over'

FCM is still learning.

PHRED... I think it’s that we KNOW what Mbenga and Powell can give us, which is not really much. That is why you see Drew, Pau, and Lamar eat up all 48 minutes at the 4 and 5 without ever going to D.J. or Josh. The two rookies ARE unknown quantities but the Lakers front office obviously think they have some real upside. It’s more about upgrading the potential of the bench than saving a few bucks on that level of player. Of course, Morrison is an automatic $10M savings so he will likely not be replaced, unless we decide to use our MLE.
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It should be a fun summer league team this year to see if Crit has any of the promise that so many bloggers thought he had (I was not one, however) and if Ebanks or Character turn out to be roster players. I have a hunch that all three will end up being the replacements for Farmar, Mbenga, and Powell, although we still do need a veteran center. Of course, in my dreams, we somehow get Darren Collison and Emeka Okafor.
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TOM

I'm not sure how we would dump Odom? If you mean a sign and trade (toss in Sasha to even up salary) with Toronto, okay. They pretty much have to take what they can get of they get nothing.

Or

Phred,

I have a hard time believing that if the Lakers liked them that they would allow a relatively very small difference in salary, compared to how much they already spend, to keep them from getting the supportive cast they they need.

Laker Tom,

Granted there is a possibility that the draft picks will pay off and become better than either Mbenga or Powell, but even then we would probably only have them for one or two seasons before they go off and get a more lucrative offer. Also only one of them covers the positions that would be left empty by Mbenga and Powell. Which is Caracter, and he is the more questionable athlete and character. All the names you listed as replacements for the two were in the back court. So who is going to replace Mbenga for same or less money and more quality at center for almost no minutes in game time?
I would prefer to go with continuity in these sort of conditions.

my response: *I* have not suggested that LO be traded w/in the last year.

Posted by: hobbitmage | June 28, 2010 at 04:32 PM

and don't think we don't appreciate it.

Except girls in Wyoming. Look for the petition with the ton's o signatures. It's after the one that the girls with lot's o hips will send, which won't happen, true, because girls with lots 'o hips' have better things to do.

Ok, the girls from Wyoming are still working on the 'writing' thing. lucky you. See, I am running the risk of taking a shot at Wyoming, because I don't want you to feel too bad. Isn't that nice of me?

THE LOVE IS COOL WITH WYOMING.

EXCEPT THE WHOLE 'DICK CHENEY' THING. SOME THINGS THE LOVE WILL NEVER STOOP TO.

IT IS ALL ABOUT THE LOVE

GO LAKERS!

Odom is always the question. He can show up and out play an opponents all star, then disappear with a stat line of 3-2-0-0 in 32 minutes.

I disagree that it's because he gives what the team needs on a night by night basis. He is the extreme defenition of unpredictable. You can't plan for what Lamar will give you, you just have to hope for the best.

If we could get him to play great defense, I'd consider moving him to point guard and letting him stay in front of a team's point. Imagine a starting five of Odom-Bryant-Artest-Gason-Bynum! Think teams have trouble dealing with the Lakers length now?!?! (Yes I'm assuming Fisher gets a better contact than the Lakers will pay and he walks again.)

The problem is Lamar just doesn't have the game long focus required to play great defense. If he was a good (not even great) defender we could live with his unpredictability. He'd be Ron Artest with more ability and a longer frame. As much as I hate to say it, trade Odom for someone who can defend the small/quick point guards, and try to pick up a decent bench player based on who we lose from our current players.

Is anyone else able to do this or am I just a bit odd?

I've watched game 7, the 4th quarter so many times, that I precisely know every movement that will take place, from play to play.

Fatty - Who still enjoys watching the Lakers take charge in the 4th, and the Celtics choking away the Championship.

LakerTom- you are very optimistic. I would like to believe that in your dreams we could do better than Okafor.

traveling laker- allow me my laconic response 'if the lakers really liked them' no, I think they like them, but with apologies to Sally Field (and phred goes for the 'obscure reference cycle!' he hits it out of the field {pun acknowledged}); if the Lakers really liked them.

The Lakers, as a team, like quality practice guys and backup guys. But, the Lakers and Phil, as a front office; if is the practical word. Not really.

Good point, phred. Why thanks, phred, and might I say that phred over there has a very cute butt. Ah, y'all phreds are too kind, a guy could blush.
Posted by: phred | June 28, 2010 at 03:46 PM

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I would like to congratulate you phred, for making my day with that statement.
It was extremely hilarious!!

I've beeen thinking Korver too. He doesn't have to be a good defender with us. Dude shoots .536 from ThreeLand and will get open looks all day long. Will take a pay cut from his $5+ mil to get a ring. Unrestricted and will finally give us a better than Steve Kerr shooter that Phil and Michael had. Put Kobe at the 3, (or 1) and Kyle at the 2. Who will they cover?

I'd like to nominate phred for nicest butt on the LA Times Lakers blog.

Posted by: justanothermambafan | June 28, 2010 at 04:15 PM

Of course, you can't nominate yourself, so i will nominate yours. I can be your campaign manager. I also have a slogan "Justa's butt can cheer you up any day"

VAN GUNDY! lost a good comment with the wrong button there.

Traveling Laker- sorry, I was going to answer your question to Laker Tom, if I may.

o who is going to replace Mbenga for same or less money and more quality at center for almost no minutes in game time?
I would prefer to go with continuity in these sort of conditions.

Posted by: traveling laker | June 28, 2010 at 04:39 PM

Well, if by 'almost no minutes of game time' you mean, 'be ready to have a bench presence in the playoffs,' I don't think MBenga ever answered that question. But it is a good question.

Hobbit -

By claiming the women of America are uneducated to understand the word heifer, you have now denigrated all American women by claiming they are not to bright.

But..... by judging one woman's response on our blog, who found that funny,......they don't care....lol

I'd like to bring in chris bosh for bynum and farmar. reason - bynum is too vulnerable to injury. i hate to see him play unhealthy minutes especially in a championship match.
i want farmar, browne, powell, morrison, mabenga, walton out of the lakers line up. bring in younger talents. i'm ok with steve blake but i like lawson or brooks the best.

This is starting to remind me of the days of wishing for Jimmy Jackson, Aaron McKie, and Latrell Sprewell! I'm not holding my breath for an exciting FA pick-up, unless getting Blake, Ridenour or Duhon is exciting. I also don't think any of our rookies will see any PT unless its preseason or garbage time. The good news is that we don't need a big change to three-peat. All we need to do is to stay healthy!

Fatty,

Sign me up for that "odd" club, I have watched it several times myself. My son came over the other day and wanted to watch the 4th Q of all the Lakers Finals wins!

Yeah I just suggested Shaq if he would take the vet min.
But I actually think in my opionin we should toss bynum salary not LOs. We are trying to win Rings now not 5 years from now when its still a gamble anyways. Talking of bynum. But we have the peices and frankly bynum has been a really little one considering how he's been hurt. and the min pau puts in at center. If I were mitch which im not heres what Id do. fist wait till u talk to bosh and if it works out great but if not then like LAKERTom sain go talk to the hornets. Offer bynum makem take luke as well for Okafor and Collison. this is a really good deal. We get the shorter bynum which he isint bad he is actually pretty decent def phsyical. And he now we have something to build on once kobe pau LO and the rest are gone on years to come. Get TMac but not for the MLE lower. Like as low as he is willing to take which people might be surprised to see. As for the rest just add in the peiece as seen fit. People want to win and they will come sacrifce a little money to do it.

C/Pau/Okafor/Mbenga(if shaq takes the vet min him over Mb)
PF/LO/Pau/Powell/Caracter
SF/Artest/TMac/Ebanks
SG/Bryant/Sasha
PG Collison/D Fish.

I also think if you want to dump a salary dump sashas 5 min contract and lukes 5 mill contract. Someone will bit.(Maybe)
I think with this line up assuming Fidh take about 3 mil along with TMac and ebanks 500k salary N caracter 500k or less salary we might just have a smaller overall salary team salary then lat year and we just got better.

IM NOT CRAZY!!!!

i for one hope phil retire"s i truly don't think this guy is a good coach, i know his resume is awsome 11 rings as coach, my response to that is .....thats a great accomplisment!!!...and he"s lucky as hell,and i'm not gonna get into that, however i will discuss his lack of coaching over the years,and if the lakers need to let this guy go now!!!! ,

pj takes the bulk of the credit when his teams win and doesnt accept none of the blame when his teams lose, when they lose it's always this player or that player or a bad call, jeeze this guy has no in game adjustments.....none!!! thats why when phoenix ran that zone against them it was so succesful ,larry brown always beats him because he publicly said phil never adjusts, his plays out of timeouts suck,he cant even run a last second play to free up his best player

and we all know his substitution patters suck, it took luke walton to tell phil to start ariza last yr, he should've did the same thing against boston in 2008, ariza was ready to play paul pierce went nuts on us with ariza on the bench, i dont care what anyone thinks he favors certain players over others, and doesnt give players a legitimate chance, do you guys think if jordan farmar would've started for this team early in the yr he would've been ready later in the year and let fish come off the bench?...dont get me wrong fish had a great playoff i for one was surprised .....he even made a few layups which is why i think it was fools gold lol

the only reason bynum got minutes over lamar is because the order came from dr buss to play bynum more,trust me phil loves odom at the power forward spot and pau at center,as versitile as the lakers are, he never maximize it by playing players in different positions which will have teams off balance

with kobe getting older, it's obvious he's not blowing by people anymore it's time to bring in a pick and roll coach kobe and pau in the pick and role bring in some shooters this team would be real scary,the refs aren't calling fouls for kobe anymore like they do for other stars his coach needs to help him with plays that suit him and pau

the lakers are extremly talented with high bball IQ's except for lamar lol they need a coach to coach and not put everything on them which is what phil does,another coach and the lakers would squash other teams with phil they win ugly and hard,and i don't think it would last

"ask me tomorrow'

carl 'but you can do it today!'

phred; no, i'm too drunk'

carl; 'hmmm.


William Jordan- I think (and I’m thankful) that the Lakers will come up with a better offer for Fish this time, if only because I don’t think he has quite as much demand for his skills from other teams. After all, other teams don’t have Kobe and Phil’s prejudices to accommodate, and I think we will offer him a respectable offer, say at least $2- 2.5 mil. Of course, some team might offer him more for more seasons, but in this economy, I say no.

Also- You have a fan in LakerTom in suggesting that Lamar play PG. However, I think that your concerns about his defense would be valid in such a case. No, it’s just not fair to expect Lamar to save our ship by defending PG’s. It would nice, it would almost work, but it’s just not fair.

Justa- send me MrNano’s vote! Yes We Can! (again, pun acknowledged. I also have to acknowledge that I am on fire. PEDs, I concede).

Fatty- I have watched and will watch Ron’s post game interview forever if I am lucky enough to get moved to a beneficial afterlife, and I would love it if someone would post a link somewhere for me to be able to watch game seven again, but man, game seven is rough. I’ll take just the highlight video, honestly.

Dano- well, if I was going to go by the books (ok, nobody hits another homer after the cycle. Give me some slack. Aaahhh, thanks Larry.) Even Bynum/Luke/anybody is a reach when going for Collison and Okafor, but you would have to take that up with LT and Jim Buss first. Worth discussing, though, what do y’all think?

phred ‘man, how long is Okafor’s contract, anyway? Can he play 116 games? Can’t we just ask for CP#?

Other phred ‘So, I am big hipped and sort of busty. Hmmmm..... Can I take your lower jaw, Mr hobbit?'


(D)erek (J), um, I'm still voting for Quimby.

rdlee- we HAD jimmy jackson and Letrell Sprewell. Wait, you mean people wanted them before we had them? Not on this blog, that might show up on some fossilized blog with sabretooth tiger teeth marks, but not this one.

VAN GUNDY! No, we had Jimmy Jackson and Aaron McKie. No, we didn't have Spree, and only pfunk wishes we did.

Coach Jackson is going to leave either this year or next. Let's get on with it now. This is the best time while we are on top and our first line players are performing. We need an experienced coach. For an example, Shaw could not handle Sasha a few months ago. Dunleavy took the lakers to the finals early in his Laker career. Scott has been fired twice and is too reserved to be effective with a powerhouse lineup.
Replacing Odom with a suitable replacement may add more consistency.

phred,

We might do a sign and trade for the free agent PGs if we can because we can then still use a mid-level exception. Since we are over the salary cap and used our bi-ennial exception last year we can only sign players using either the mid-level exception, the veteran's minimum or the disabled player's minimum. If we start using the mid-level exception for anyone our flexibility disappears.


As for Odom,

I'm not in this to please other team's commentators. That they like him is great and all, but he's been frustratingly inconsistent, either eating too much candy, smoking too much weed or having untreated ADHD or something. It used to be the case that Odom was always strong in the playoffs, including playing hurt.

This year he was good in the playoffs, but he was pretty bad in the finals. If his only real contribution is getting a few timely rebounds, why not trade for Ben Wallace or bring Dennis Rodman out of retirement.

Having flexibility with our big rotation is very helpful and I would under no circumstances accept a Lamar Odom trade unless we got a big that could take over his minutes, but Odom is looking a little expendable.

The Lakers see this situation and that's why they're probably considering moving him. They've considered moving him for a few years now. That should tell us all something.

This business is cutthroat. Being nostalgic is nice, but letting it get in the way of progress is harmful.

We dropped Ariza for Artest (we called him right at the start of free agency) in a fairly cutthroat move and it was the right one. Ariza could have tried to sign with us, but he likely would have found that his spot had been taken.

Odom easily has the greatest variation in performance I've ever seen. It's hard to predict which disrupts what we're trying to do as a team. By Woody Allen's standard that 80 percent of life is showing up, Odom has already limited his maximum success to around 60 percent or so, the other 20 percent and 40 percent for the half of time when he actually shows up.

Playing well in the playoffs is not just getting into verbal confrontations with opposing team members.

>>>I haven't been able to figure out why the lakers wouldn't want back either
>>>Josh Powell or Mbenga. So why wouldn't they?

The minimum goes up for each year you play in the league.

If the Lakers replace them with 1st or 2nd year players, they'd pay less. For example, if they keep Powell, they'll pay him over 1 million. If they replace him with their rookie draftee Caracter, then they'd only pay him half a million.

>>>>

Breakfastsausage - Regarding Bynum?

He's pretty much playing for us very nicely until April, before he gets hurt. I think we need perhaps two options to solve this problem.

One, we hold off using AB until April just to tune him up for the playoffs

or.......

Two, we use a back up who can finish the season and playoffs, like say, Lamar Odom.

<<<<

Option Two, but then we need a third option, like say, anyone who can play +100 games without getting hurt and consistent.

I like Bynum also Lamar but all teams will try to defeat Lakers so we need a stronger team to get the home court advantage the next finals.


Also i don't like the role those players have with PJ: Mbenga, Farmar, Powell, Morrsison. They are useless now.

I wouldn't mind to have a team like this:

C/Bynum/Marc Gasol
PF/Pau Gasol/Lamar
SF/Artest/Ebanks
SG/Bryant/Sasha
PG CP3 or Westbrook /Fisher

but i think is not possible.

I believe on Mitch work (Gasol & Artest) and i'll wait to see what happens.

Benjamin- pretty much.

You understate what Lamar can give us, and I can't get behind that, but it all comes back to what we can get for his lovable little keister. We need a big presence that can show up for solid minutes and a decent PG who can move with the body's that will be thrown against it.

[shoots self in contrition]

ok, ok, that was wrong. But it's hard to add anything to what I already presented.

regarding Korver,

>>>Dude shoots .536 from ThreeLand and will get open looks all day long.

Well, he did last year (in a contract year). Sasha shot 44% from 3 in a contract year. Past results do not guarantee future results. Korver is also a matador defender.

>>>Will take a pay cut from his $5+ mil to get a ring.

Will he?

LTLF- exactly.

I voted to add or trade for another player. It is a pipe dream to think we can get franchise player in CP3 even if B Scott becomes head coach. I say we trade Farmar, and throw ins like choice(s) of Sasha, Powell, DJ, Luke,
and second round draft pick for Darren Collison.

Or same package for Rubio rights.

carl,

GREAT POST! I couldn't have said it better myself... wait, maybe I could but it will come out the same anyway (LOL).

It's too bad that some Laker fans are BLINDED by the blings and not realizing that Phil while a good coach in general is not head-and-shoulder above every other mortal coaches! The plain fact is that he's been extremely lucky to have had the kind of players he's had.

carl mentioned very, very well indeed Phil's coaching flaws so permit me to remind the board of Phil's other flaws, character. Has everybody forgotten Phil's character?

Barely getting out of LA after his first tour, Phil immediately publish a tell-all book BETRAYING the code of ethic that maintain the TRUST between players and coaches in the locker room. Has any other coach in the history of the NBA been so blatantly GREEDY in selling out his players' trust and confidentiality? Permit me to repeat myself, S-E-L-L-O-U-T. Comprendes?

While Shaq was here, Phil was obviously favoring Shaq at the expense of Kobe. He allowed Shaq to report to camp out of shape, not criticizing his futility at the FT line, not calling out him to give more effort on Defense.

At the same time coddling Shaq Phil also invented (lied?) about Kobe throwing his HS games so he could be a hero? In his tell-all book he further threw Kobe under the bus by calling him "uncoachable".

All that "miraculously" changed when Phil came back for a second tour. Now that he realized Kobe would be his #1 meal ticket, Phil began to coddle Kobe as someone who could do no wrong and let him pretty much do whatever Kobe liked, including coaching! Anybody here noticed that he pretty much stopped criticizing Kobe, even later on when Kobe's action was questionable by the media and fans such as when he shot too much or too little?

What do Phil's supporters say about his character now?

PHRED… “You understate what Lamar can give us, and I can't get behind that, but it all comes back to what we can get for his lovable little keister. We need a big presence that can show up for solid minutes and a decent PG who can move with the body's that will be thrown against it.”
~
May I humbly offer Darren Collison (a great point guard prospect) and Emeka Okafor (a shot blocking center who averages the same points and boards per game as Lamar). No increase in salaries for the first two years and basically commit to paying Okafor as much as Lamar and Sasha in years 3 and 4.
~
I seriously don’t think the Lakers would do this because of the loss of financial flexibility, especially with a possible lockout in 2011 but it does give you what you wanted in return for Lamar. In fact, I think it gives you back more than you might get anywhere else. Collison is as close as you are going to find to Rondo with a great shot. And he is a terrific 1-on-1 quick and fast defender who can cover like an NFL cornerback. 40% from the 3, 85% from the line, 2-1 assists/turnovers ratio, average 19 points and 9 boards in37 games when CP3 was hurt. So while you’re overpaying for Okafor, you’re getting a steal with Darren who is under a 3-year rookie contract that maxes at $2M. This could be a repeat of the Pau Gasol deal because Collison is the perfect point guard for the Lakers, especially because he can play in the Triangle or any other offense. Rajon Rondo’s long armed defense with a great shot.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
TOM

All I know is that Shannon Brown needs to come back, he brings energy off the bench; he gets the crowd involved when he dunks, and when he's on the court. I honestly don't think is about money. Shannon made it clear that he wants to stay in LA. He just wants a long term contract so he can finally have his family move down to Los Angeles with him. He had a chance to leave last year but he chose to stay with the Lakers for less money than what the other teams were offering him. Oh and as far as Lamar goes he is NOT going ANYWHERE his heart is in Los Angeles (which is Khloe Kardashian) and the Lakeshow. It's always Lamar Odom and Andrew Bynum who ends up in trade discussions which never happens! So they need to cut it out with all that! The person who they need to trade is Luke Walton! The Lakers are over paying him for doing nothing! Don't get me wrong he's a heck of a passer but not a good defender nor a defensive player. Now that's who the Lakers need to put in this discussion if they want to trade anybody in the roster. Devin Ebanks next Trevor Ariza in 2 years I promise! DO NOT SLEEP ON HIM! you heard it here first! Lakers repeat and Phil Jackson is coming back for one more year and then he's done! Shannon Brown back in LA next season and more to come!

-Johnny Evans, Manhattan Beach,CA

Justa- send me MrNano’s vote! Yes We Can! (again, pun acknowledged. I also have to acknowledge that I am on fire. PEDs, I concede).
(...)
Posted by: phred | June 28, 2010 at 05:07 PM

Uh?
She is being nice to you. Stop dreaming! your butt can't make Hobbit jealous, or cheer me up after a world cup loss. Your butt looks like a c's butt compared to Justa's Lakers one.

psycorp.....EXACTLY

it's a big thing what phil does, he did the same thing in chicago, he turned the team against management and he even took it to the media knowing the media would side with him and michael jordan, put simply phil is a snake!!!!, and when he got to la he went right back on his belly!, he saw disension with kobe and shaq and jumped right on it

sideing with shaq and most of the team, he's like a devil create a bad situation and then step back as if he has nothing to do with it,notice michael jordan didnt invite him to his hall of fame induction either, maybe i'm puting too much into that but i notice mj and pj dont seem all chummy, maybe mj notice what i have been seeing with phil for years he's a snake and can't be trusted, notice the media never questions his bad coaching either......maybe they scared and would look bad in doing that because he does have 11 rings

he knows damn well he wants to return as coach i think he's a deva and wants attention and he's lobbying to not loose to much of the money he's anticipateing to loose, so everyday everyone is screaming come back phil we need you we want you, the buss family hears this, and of course if they low ball him too much it plays bad to the public winner=pj

he's also afraid if another coach wins it with the same team and they play better his jigg would be up, i'm telling you laker nation this guy isn't good for our team , remember he wanted smush, this guy sucked, in the phoenix series a few years back smush didnt hit a basket in 3 gms and he stuck with him,in that same series kwame brown was the number 1 option!!!!!!! lol think about that, this year he drew up a last second game winning play for pau gasol to win the game on a three point shot!!!!!!

phil is not coaching anymore, when was the last time you seen him argue a call for his players??? the guy is a carrer killer farmar will be a good point in the nba he didnt treat radman right, i know rad was a little crazy but playing with kobe,pau, and bynum.....with his height and his shooting, he wasnt being treated right he favored luke walton and played mind games with radman the same thing he does with bynum,farmar, and he tried to do with kobe

let's go get scott, he would put passion back on the bench in la, and with a talented team like we got i'm sure we'd win it all again, without the rollercoaster rides

LT- I addressed that already.. I didn't belabor the point that it was you I disagreed with, cause well, I just didn't, but I did address your proposal.

Benjamin - Regarding Lamar?

Those announcers I mentioned were retired NBA stars and coaches. They know a heck of a lot more about the NBA than me and you.

The point I was trying to make is the experts of the NBA, including the Lakers brain trust love Odoms game.

The only dissenters?

A few bloggers here and some LA writers that think they know more than the experts who are in this game for their living.

I understand why some may think Lamar's game shows inconsistency, but they really know little about the NBA and how it works, according to the experts, that is.

Fatty- yeah. That's what I would have said, if I could ever frame an argument with 'sources' and 'citations' and 'knowledge' and whatnot.

Pickup Scola, baby, Scola!

Fatty,

I do not accept an appeal to authority argument as proof the dissenters are wrong. Additionally, the front office that created the last two teams that won championships? They have serious doubts about Lamar as well.

Part of the problem I see is that everyone rates players based on their best possible game. They don't see or want to hear about inconsistency or injuries. It seems to take a Yao Ming level of injuries to get most people's attention. Also, these so-called experts often watch very few of our games.

I'm sure these guys know more than me. At the same time they may base their observations on a much smaller sample size than me/us. There's this culture of having to compliment your opponents endlessly in the NBA now. And then there are always talking points about players that are oft-repeated into platitudes. I feel one of those talking points is Odom's versatility and lack of selfishness.

The combination of all of these circumstances makes me more comfortable blowing off some of what these so-called experts think of Odom.

These are the same experts that have elevated Lebron to a god-like status prior to Lebron winning a single Finals game. They are also the same experts that have even recently believed Kobe did more harm than good on his team.

In other words, they're fallible.

My take anyways. I trust my opinion more than these other guys' sometimes. They're not always better than me and not always completely honest with the public or themselves about what they really think.

Darren collison is the awnser. Please mitch do something to counter this Lebron wade bosh wackness. Lakers dynasty. Rings mitch rings. We have trust in you get it done. Dont skrew this one up.

The Lakers will not chase Bosh because it doesn't make sense. Bosh has stated that he wants to play his natural position at Power Forward. The problem with that is Gasol plays PF and is not as solid when playing Center.

First I would package Lamar and Walton for a sign and trade for a proven PG and a for a backup bigman someone like Shaq. I think Shaq should finish his career in LA and he would be a pretty good back up if we can get him cheap. If that cant happen go after Turkoglu from Toronto who stated he wanted out and throw in J. Calderon as PG.
Another idea is make an offer for Chris Paul or Tony Parker both solid players who would beable to create for Kobe and Pau.

I think you can put Drew on the market and if you get any interesting offers then go for it. But you have to get someone who is proven but still has at least 6 years left.

Some ideas for players to think about for the mid level: Illgauskus
Brad Miller
Rafer Alston
Jermaine Oneal
Quentin Richardson
Luke Ridnour
Tracy Mcgrady
JJ Redick
Josh Howard
Kenyon Martin
Steve Blake
Rudy Gay
Peja Stojakovic
Kyle Korver

The only way I would consider trading Bynum for Bosh is if Toronto also took Walton & his overpriced contract (the money works, salary cap wise). And we'd still need to find a back-up 5 for Gasol (Big Z?)

What about Bynum farmar and sasha for Steve nash and robin lopez... Man that sounds great. we lower the salary and get a whole lot better.

c/lopez
PF/Pau
SF/Artest
SG/Bryant
PG/Nash
6th man Odom
7th man D fish
8th man T Mac


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