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Adam Morrison doesn't expect the Lakers to keep him but appreciates teammates' support

Many members of the Lakers gathered around the set of "Jimmy Kimmel Live," basking in the glow of their championship. But Kimmel wanted to crack a joke at one of their teammates' expense.

"Where is Adam Morrison because he was in a suit pretty much the whole time," Kimmel cracked. "I thought it'd be funny if he came out in a uniform for once."

The Lakers on set -- Kobe Bryant, Derek Fisher, Ron Artest, Shannon Brown, Sasha Vujacic, D.J. Mbenga and Josh Powell -- partly played along, laughing to Kimmel's joke that Morrison looks like a 70s'  porn star and appeared engaged with watching a clip highlighting Morrison's contributions in the Finals. The reel consisted of various zoom-in shots of him sitting on the bench, high-fiving a teammate or jumping up and down on the sideline after a huge play. The Lakers' reaction could've been a lot stronger and the insults would've been largely welcomed since Kimmel wanted to generate laughs. Even though Bryant acknowledged the clip was "funny as hell," he used the opportunity to share how much Morrison  meant to the team.

"That's a testament to our team, honestly, because Adam can really play," Bryant said. "He can really,  really go. For him to take a step back and to do things like that really helped us get to that championship level."

Morrison appeared in only 31 games, averaging 2.4 points on 37.6% shooting in 7.8 minutes. Morrison also acknowledged he doesn't think the Lakers will keep him once he becomes a free agent Thursday, saying, "I didn't play so I don't know why they'd want to bring me back." But Bryant's public support made Morrison feel appreciated.

"It was tough not playing as much, at all, really," he said. "But being part of the team was fun and being with the group of guys that we have is cool."

Morrison has battled plenty of frustrations in the NBA after a storied career with Gonzaga, including finishing as a finalist for the Naismith and the Wooden Award and being considered one of the nation's top college basketball players along with Duke's J.J. Redick. After the Charlotte Bobcats selected him with the No. 3 pick in the 2006 draft, Morrison exposed his defensive liabilities, suffered a season-ending anterior cruciate ligament injury in 2007 and soon became part of a trade package that sent him and Shannon Brown to the Lakers in exchange for Vladimir Radmanovic. Though Brown's future with the Lakers is uncertain, he etched himself into the rotation and became a fan favorite for his acrobatic dunks. Morrison etched himself with a bland wardrobe, wearing the same predictable brown suit on the sideline,  and became what he called "the butt of jokes" on late-night television.

"I laugh it off, I guess. I don't know why that guy has always picked on me," Morrison said of Kimmel. "For some reason, I think maybe I didn't go on his show when I was first coming out. I honestly don't know. He's trying to make a TV show, whatever. The guys know what I brought to this team."

Morrison brought up how he often matches up with Bryant and Artest in practice, and he said the two remarked to him his effort in practice helped prepare them for the game. Teammates have touted him as one of the funniest guys on the team. And Morrison shared how he made sure to maintain a positive attitude, knowing it was the only thing he could contribute with his playing time limited.

It is hard to tell exactly what Morrison brought to the team given many of his efforts are difficult to quantify. He's touted as the team's jokester, but when a reporter, noting Morrison's Rage Against the Machine T-shirt, jokingly asked him "If he's mad at Sasha," Morrison didn't play along. When I asked him to cite any examples of what he did to help lighten the team mood, he said, "Just stuff that shouldn't be in print or on camera. I'll save myself the embarrassment." And viewing his practice battles with the starters is difficult to document since the majority of practice is closed to the media.

That doesn't matter to Morrison. He surely wants a bigger opportunity and doesn't want to have to play in the Vegas summer league to prove his worth, but the majority of his exit interview entailed his gratitude for playing for Phil Jackson, getting two championship rings and learning from among the league's greatest players. And with an NBA career that hasn't gone exactly the way he's wanted to, Morrison's glad he has some positive aspects to latch onto during his time with the Lakers. And that includes the support of his teammates.

"I've seen all aspects of the game and it's definitely changed me as a person," Morrison said. "This experience here, even though I wanted to contribute more on the court, was great. Great teammates. Great guys. Great organization. Great coaches. I couldn't ask for anything else. Coming here from Charlotte, I was pretty down on myself and just the game in general. With the guys and how they treated me here, it made me feel a lot better as a whole."

--Mark Medina

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I still think he could play one of the 'Three Musketeers' in a movie......

CAN WE TRADE KOBE FOR LBJ, ADD CP3 WITH BYNUM THE BEAST. You know Kobe is past his prime and we should get a fair trade value before it is too late, after all it is all biz folks. One day soon Kobe too will be gone and forgotten

Van Gundy. All those comments on the end of another thread. I totally know how Adam van Mustache feels now.

the first thing i thought of when i saw his t shirt. If that was a slight towards Sasha. Good taste in music though.
I am pulling for Ammo to become as good as he was in college. I was hoping the Lakers had plans for him and make him fit with the system. But I guess there's no room for another offensive player.

"ooooooh, I'm the wonderful unlikely trades fairy! Look at my lovely unlikely traaaaades!' 'oh, and by the way, that was SARCASM!'

ok, Ok, i'm taking a break now.

sigh.

He's a very nice guy, I wish him the best.
Go flourish in another team, Ammo. Good luck!

>>>"ooooooh, I'm the wonderful unlikely trades fairy! Look at my lovely unlikely traaaaades!' '


Trade fairy! Will you approve my Sasha Vujacic for Derrick Rose trade? The salaries match!

>>>One day soon Kobe too will be gone and forgotten<<<

LOL!!!

I'll always remeber Wilt Chamberlain, James Worthy, Jerry West, Kareem, Magic Jhonson and Shaq and sure i will remember Kobe.

And there players from other teams that i did not forgot.

LTLF- really? Rose is getting Sasha money? dang.

DontStopLovinDelHaris,


I agree with you. At the vets min, TMac is a 100% must. We only need him for training camp (to learn the offense) and the post season. He'd only have to play 5-10 min a game here, exactly what he needs to fully rehab his knee. He could be the replacement the team needs to give Kobe more bench time.


And have we signed Sharon Collins yet? Why not? He could be our backup PG on the cheap if Farmar leaves. He went undraftd.


And the question should be asked, do we want to spend money on a coach or a player? I'd rather have the coach replaced than lose Odom, if it ever came to that. This may be risky, but this team may be able to run on auto pilot with Kobe and Fish and Pau.


Wes

Stephen A Smith is saying that LBJ and Bosh will join Wade in Miami...

Smith is saying it's 95% a done deal...

Wade-Bosh-James vs Kobe-Pau-Bynum...

With a healthy Kobe and AB, I am not worried...'Bring it on'

X Factor...Pat Riley...will he step down and coach...Will he try to implement a Showtime offense...

Chemistry Factor...LBJ will have to concede that this is Wade's team...I think their is to much ego in this 'superstar salad'...Like any salad with too much dressing...it get's soggy and unedible...

Footnote:

I think they might have to get rid of Beasley's contract to make it work...

@ FAN...what category do you fall in......

THE ART OF HATING KOBE BRYANT

by MARK GREY

6.26.10


As another NBA season is now behind us and Kobe Bryant has picked up his fifth title, his place in history is up for debate. Bryant who was once the clear cut poster boy for the post Jordan era of the NBA, is now the most polarizing figure in all of sports. Millions of people love the Lakers star, and millions of people hate him, but every basketball fan has an opinion on Kobe and are pretty passionate about it. It has gotten to the point where when someone asks whether or not you are a Kobe fan, it almost defines you as a person. It’s like asking if you are a Democrat or a Republican. While trying to debate Bryant’s place among NBA greats, I was amazed by how many Bryant haters there were. The number of haters was so great that I didn’t even find it fair to throw them all into one group. So just to be fair, I broke the Kobe Bryant haters up into groups so they are easier to identify.

When you ask most Kobe Haters (we will call them KH for short) to talk about Kobe, the first thing you will hear is, “he’s not Michael Jordan.” What exactly does that mean? Jordan is regarded as the greatest basketball player who ever lived - is not being better than him a bad thing? I wonder if I brought a 7’6” man into these peoples living room if the first words out there mouth be, “he isn’t the tallest man to ever live.” I’m guessing they would be thinking more along the lines of, I don’t know if he is the tallest person to ever live but he damn sure is tall, and if he isn’t the tallest person ever, he sure is close. Saying Bryant is no MJ really isn’t saying anything, its just ignoring who he is because of who he is not.

Then there is the group of haters who always seem to think Kobe is the second best player in the league no matter what. Let this group tell it, Bryant has been the second best player in the NBA for over a decade, but the number 1 player changes every other year. Somehow the number 1 player always seems to fall down the list but Kobe just never moves up. There was the he’s not better than Iverson debate that lasted for a couple of years, then there was the he’s not better than Tracy McGrady campaign which was followed by he’s not better than Steve Nash era -- hell even Chris Paul got his name mentioned for a year as the one guy in the NBA who is better than Kobe.This is the fan who has become a diehard Cavs fan out of nowhere. He is the same guy who years ago said that if Vince Carter or Tracy McGrady ever played with the best center in the NBA they would win a title too. His favorite line use to be "Kobe will never win without Shaq", but he never seems to remember saying any of that. He often has a lot to say in the regular season, but not so much in the playoffs.

Which then brings us to the group that we will just call “Mr. Unrealistic-Casual fan.” That’s the guy who watches about 10-15 basketball games a year, normally at a bar where he isn’t even paying attention and by the time the game is over, he is too drunk to even tell you what happened in the game. He is the guy who yells out “all I know is when Shaq left, Kobe couldn’t even get out of the first round.” It’s hard to really argue with him because he is right, that is all he knows. He never mentions that Kobe lost in the first round to a Suns team that had All Star Shawn Marion as the third option, while the Lakers third leading scorer was Brian Cook.

The next type of KH, is “Mr. I-know-basketball-more-than-you.” He normally is the guy who played basketball in High School and may have even walked on at a D2 school. He now coaches kids basketball so he thinks he has this ability to understand the game that no one else does, and can see things that you cant see and no one else can explain. He is the guy who says Kobe just doesn’t make others better, he says things like, you have to take Steve Nash over Kobe or no one wants to play with Kobe because he’s too selfish. When you ask him to explain why Nash has played on some of the most talented teams in the NBA over the last decade and hasn’t won anything, he really can’t answer you. He says Kobe doesn’t make anyone better but can’t explain why three years ago no one wanted Pau Gasol but now everyone seems to think he is the best thing since sliced bread. Three years ago, no GM in their right mind would have traded Amare Stoudemire and Shawn Marion, for Gasol and Odom, but for some reason this guy insists that Nash gets more out of his teammates then Kobe. This guy normally has a long list of players he would rather start a team with (Nash, Paul, LeBron, Dirk etc.) all of whom have never won anything even in college, but he can’t explain why because you just wouldn’t understand. When you ask him to name Bryant’s weakness, he gets frustrated trying to tell you, so he just tells you that you don’t understand the game like he does. Sounds pretty stupid, but who are you to argue? He does coach 6th graders. The more you listen to him, you can tell his hate for Kobe is deeply rooted. He secretly blames star players like Kobe for the reason his hoop dreams never panned out. If the star player on his college team had just passed more, coach could have seen all his talent. He will never tell anyone out loud, but in his heart he thinks he could have been better than Kobe if he was allowed to shoot more.

The hardest guy to argue with is the history guy. He typically watches a lot of basketball and knows his stuff. He doesn’t like Kobe, but respects his game and as painful as it is to say, he will even admit that Kobe is the best player in the NBA today. He considers Kobe the best player of his generation, but will quickly tell you he is not one of the best ever. He will say Kobe is somewhere between 15th to 20th best player of all time. The problem with history guy is he can never name 15 players better than Kobe. He often starts reeling off names fast like Jordan, Magic, Bird, and Wilt. After spiting out four names really fast with ease, he throws out two more names, then just starts saying ridiculous things like Dr. J and Walt Frazier. In a last second effort to reach 10 players, he says George Mikan, even though not only has he never seen Mikan play, his father hasn’t either. He can never tell you who the remaining 7 to 8 players are who are better then Kobe but swears they exist he just can never think of them right now. While naming the greatest players of all time, he often changes the criteria for being great. He says Bill Russell has to be top 5 because its all about rings, then goes on to name a handful of players who he thinks are better then Kobe who combined have less rings than him. He always wants to point out that Kobe played with Shaq, but never wants to mention that Jordan, Bird, and Magic never won a title without another Hall of Fame player on their team. History guy knows his basketball, the only thing he doesn’t know is why Kobe isn’t one of the top players of all time.

The most interesting of all the KH is hypocrite guy. He says one thing, but his hate for Kobe says another. He says he hates Kobe because he wants to be like Mike, but doesn’t even notice he is wearing a number 23 Cavs jersey. He says he can’t stand Kobe because he’s so arrogant, but his favorite player is a 25 year old who calls himself King and speaks in third person -- all while inviting us to “witness his greatness.” He is always complaining that today’s players only care about money and don’t care about getting better, but for some reason hates the player who works hardest in the NBA. He is often screaming that Kobe can’t win a title on his own in one breath, and in the second breath screaming LeBron needs help. He says things like today’s players have no respect for the players of the past, then turns around and says Kobe steals players moves from the past. He hates Kobe so much that he doesn’t even realize that stuff he says makes no sense. He calls every Kobe fan he knows every time Kobe has a bad game to say “I told you so” but he is the hardest guy to find every time Kobe has great game or hit’s a game winning shot. He always says he can’t stand Kobe because he wants to be like Jordan, even though every Saturday he himself hit’s the park in his Jordan shoes, Jordan socks, Jordan shorts and Jordan shirt and never forgets his Jordan bag full of Gatorade. Hypocrite guy doesn’t even realize everyone wants to be like Jordan including himself, the only difference is Kobe is the only one willing to put in the same work Mike did.

Last but not least is “Ms. I-can’t-stand-him.” This is the female who obviously used to date Bryant, if you didn’t know any better. She often says I can’t stand him with so much passion that you can tell it goes deeper than basketball. She has a long list of reasons she hates him, and not one of them has anything to do with basketball. She doesn’t even have a favorite basketball team, she just roots for whatever team is playing the Lakers. If you watched her throughout the playoffs you would think she was a Suns, Thunder, and Celtics fan her whole life. There really is no need to argue with her because all she ever says is “ I can’t stand him” and all you can really do is wonder, does she know him?

Does every super star in sports have his/her group of haters? Yes, but hating Kobe has gone to a different level, it has taken on an art form. While millions of Americans will admit to being a Kobe hater, there are several hundred thousands of fans out there who don’t even know they are Kobe haters. The saying goes, “it’s lonely at the top,” or as Jay-Z once said, “you don’t even know me and you mad. How it feel to be a hater, now I know exactly how it feels to be a Laker."

carl,

GREAT POST! I couldn't have said it better myself... wait, maybe I could but it will come out the same anyway (LOL).

It's too bad that some Laker fans are BLINDED by the blings and not realizing that Phil while a good coach in general is not head-and-shoulder above every other mortal coaches! The plain fact is that he's been extremely lucky to have had the kind of players he's had.

carl mentioned very, very well indeed Phil's coaching flaws so permit me to remind the board of Phil's other flaws, character. Has everybody forgotten Phil's character?

Barely getting out of LA after his first tour, Phil immediately publish a tell-all book BETRAYING the code of ethic that maintain the TRUST between players and coaches in the locker room. Has any other coach in the history of the NBA been so blatantly GREEDY in selling out his players' trust and confidentiality? Permit me to repeat myself, S-E-L-L-O-U-T. Comprendes?

While Shaq was here, Phil was obviously favoring Shaq at the expense of Kobe. He allowed Shaq to report to camp out of shape, not criticizing his futility at the FT line, not calling out him to give more effort on Defense.

At the same time coddling Shaq Phil also invented (lied?) about Kobe throwing his HS games so he could be a hero? In his tell-all book he further threw Kobe under the bus by calling him "uncoachable".

All that "miraculously" changed when Phil came back for a second tour. Now that he realized Kobe would be his #1 meal ticket, Phil began to coddle Kobe as someone who could do no wrong and let him pretty much do whatever Kobe liked, including coaching! Anybody here noticed that he pretty much stopped criticizing Kobe, even later on when Kobe's action was questionable by the media and fans such as when he shot too much or too little?

What do Phil's supporters say about his character now?

LEWSTRS,

Very well said about KH! The only thing I disagree with your very excellent post is that I don't think there are that many KH, they're just a "vocal" minority that's all.

I'm pretty sure that the number of Kobe fans in China alone dwarfs the total number of KH in the whole world (LOL)

Michael who?

got this off of Forum Blue and Gold.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lgoV5u2WWJs

i probably would have given Bill Simmons a little more hell though....

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Justa- send me MrNano’s vote! Yes We Can! (again, pun acknowledged. I also have to acknowledge that I am on fire. PEDs, I concede).
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Posted by: phred | June 28, 2010 at 05:07 PM

Uh?
She is being nice to you. Stop dreaming! your butt can't make Hobbit jealous, or cheer me up after a world cup loss. Your butt looks like a c's butt compared to Justa's Lakers one.

Wow - I really feel bad for Ammo. I hope he kicks AZZ on another team - just not against us! Seriously though - AMMO - I hope you shine in the NBA really soon.

MrNano -thanks for the nomination. I'm pretty sure I could take phred in this department, butt I need the votes! Again I say VOTEFORJUSTA.com!!!

phred - suck it - you ain't getting MrNano's vote. IT'S ON NOW, brother. But it still really is all about the love.

caps goggles - GREAT clip - too funny! But I'd have to agree with you - he deserved a LOT worse, and some on here could have really done a much better job! Still - he deserved what he got and much, much more. Freaking Kobe hater.

Phred,
Maybe the other Phreds can vote for you!

Oh, and i almost forgot:

BOSTON SUCKS!!!, BOSTON SUCKS!!!, BOSTON SUCKS!!!

that wasn't related, but i had to say that hehe

I'm not getting why the Lakers don't keep Farmar and let him start, with Fish backing him up. Farmar, although not great, is a quality PG. He can hit the 3 point shot, he can drive and penetrate, he knows the triangle. With more playing time, I'm sure he can develop into a quality PG for the Lakers.

caps goggles- yeah, we could have done better, but then I was going to say he didn't merit that much attention. But the video was great, watching the celebration while BS quietly packed up his laptop and fled with the one drunk guy (either on victory or other medicines, I leave that to you) haranging him seemed to fit the overall level of what Bill Simmons brought to Staples. Heck, the fact that he took a seat from a deserving fan should bring him worse approbation.

Man, I hate myself for even noticing him that much. The day will come when Bill Simmons stews and types impotent comments at a youtube video of phred celebrating his beloved and unparalleled Los Angeles Lakers. I just won't be doing it in a seat I got from some East Coach network that pretends at journalism while exploiting gutter feeding sensationalistic hacks to up their wavering ratings.

Except the K Bros. Love those guys, will love them more when they ask Simmons how their assignment tastes.

LEWSTRS,

You forgot the racist fans, who will never forget/forgive Kobe for messing around with that white girl in Denver. These guys are already jealous that Kobe has a cute wife, is loved throughout the world, and has millions of dollars. To them, Kobe will always be a typical black guy who raped a white girl.

Or the machismo fans who feel squealers are public enemy number 1 (remembering Kobe ratting out Shaq). Some people think that telling on someone is worse than committing murder. These guys live by the clubout code, and to brake the code means to be persecuted for life.

Which brings me to the Shaq's one of the guys while Kobe is to non-thuggish fans. These guys hate Kobe because he speaks well , lived in Europe, and didn't party and do stupid things when he was younger. Shaq was just the opposite, so they see Shaq as being "down" while Kobe is being "different".

troy- that was a mark grey article, actually. But thanks to LEWSTRS to reposting it, although I suspect Mark Grey would fade into obscurity or be forced into writing long drawn out nit picking disputes with other bloggers if he wanted to be a regular here.

I think that those groups you mentioned are hopefully minorities that don't deserve the attention either.

Mr Nano- you claim you want to vote for Justa, but you give her so little respect that you won't bow to her choice as the better candidate? Frankly, I was reluctant to do this, but I am entering my virtual ass into the primary discussion. Expect a solid raft of 'phred's ass' pins, flags and bumper stickers flooding the arena.

Man, I was happy to let Justa have the dang all star game, but of course, you realize, this means war. Now, if we have to rely upon conventional warfare, a battle of this magnitude could take years and expend millions of lives. No, we need something different, something so crazy, so stupid, that not in a million years would they expect it. Otter?'

troy- that was a mark grey article, actually. But thanks to LEWSTRS to reposting it, although I suspect Mark Grey would fade into obscurity or be forced into writing long drawn out nit picking disputes with other bloggers if he wanted to be a regular here.

I think that those groups you mentioned are hopefully minorities that don't deserve the attention either.

Mr Nano- you claim you want to vote for Justa, but you give her so little respect that you won't bow to her choice as the better candidate? Frankly, I was reluctant to do this, but I am entering my virtual ass into the primary discussion. Expect a solid raft of 'phred's ass' pins, flags and bumper stickers flooding the arena.

Man, I was happy to let Justa have the dang all star game, but of course, you realize, this means war. Now, if we have to rely upon conventional warfare, a battle of this magnitude could take years and expend millions of lives. No, we need something different, something so crazy, so stupid, that not in a million years would they expect it. Otter?'

"Bill Simmons. DEAD! Dean Wormer, DEAD! Neidermeyer, DEAD. DOUBLE POST! DEAD!"

AAAAAAAGGGGGGHHHHH!!!!

THE LOVE HAS BEEN QUIETLY LOOKING INTO HOMES FOR pHRED, WHERE HE CAN RETIRE TO A LIFE OF CONTEMPLATION AND PEACE IN WHICH HE CAN WRITE HIS MEMOIRS, WHICH WILL PROBABLY CONSIST OF STUPID PUNS ON THE WORD "BUTT'

IT IS ALL ABOUT THE LOVE!

GO LAKERS!

Hey Kobe fans, Kobe Haters, Kobe (whazzup?) with all the chatter. How any one of you all know-it-alls can compare generations of basketball is sometimes beyond me.? Who the Hell cares? Who is the Greatest of All-Time? Enjoy the sport..I have followed the NBA for about 50 years. Have I enjoyed the game? Yah>>Do I Love the Lake Show? Hell yeah..Have I not witnessed the most incredible B-Ball? Probably...I did miss the '50s and that great 8 teams of the time. Let me tell you, we are seeing something incredible happening...the Lakers, Spurs, Celt-ics, even the oncoming of LBJ. Do not know what is next??...all I can say is ENJOY the Show.

HOW CAN YOU HATE KOBE ???
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If you are a Lakers fan, how can you seriously NOT like Kobe Bryant. How can you not like a player who everybody admits works harder than any other player in the league on his craft? How can you not cheer for a player who everybody acknowledges is the best closer and clutch scorer in the league? How can you not admire a player who everybody says plays harder than any other player in the NBA? How can you not love a player without whom we would have not won 5 NBA championships.
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Frankly, I don’t understand Lakers fans that are Kobe Haters. I can’t explain how they think they can claim they have been Lakers fans before Kobe got here and will be Lakers fans long after he’s gone but will then check their purple and gold hearts and banners at the door so long as Kobe Bryant is a Laker. Make no mistake, that is what they’re really doing by not appreciating and supporting Kobe Bryant. It’s allowing some quirky personal bias cheat you out of cheering and rooting for a truly great player.
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I’m not even saying that Kobe is the greatest Laker or better than MJ or Magic or Jerry. That’s not the issue. The issue is if you are a Lakers fan, you root for every guy on the team to do well because that’s the way you show your loyalty and support. That does not mean you can’t criticize or complain. But when you start rooting Kobe to miss or Kwame to drop the ball or Drew to get injured, then you stop being a Lakers fan as far as I am concerned. And if that bothers you, you ought to think twice.
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TOM

Justa- darn. Do you think if I just flashed a little more skin I would have won? Oh wait.

Ok, fine. I'll save my pins, posters and bumper stickers. A few words crossed out, a few more added, 'Let's Put phred's Butt in the seat at the All Star Game!'

what do you think? Nice ring to it, huh?

"While Shaq was here, Phil was obviously favoring Shaq"

Psycorp with the PJ hate. Of course Phil favored Shaq....Shaq was the reason why PJ bothered to come to LA in the first place. Before Phil, you had Rambis and Del Harris two coaches who FAILED to even hit the Finals with Shaq and Kobe. Rambis got SWEPT by San Antonio. PJ comes and look 67 win record and the next season a 15-1 unbreakable mark. While Kobe was firing bricks against Tayshaun Prince Shaq was *destroying* whatever center came to guard him whether it was prime Ben Wallace or Elden Campbell. Then you would say "why didn't he bench Kobe"....why would you bench Kobe for Kareem Rush? Even if that stopped the bricks and more shots to Shaq that would mean less defense not to mention Kareem wasn't shooting lights out like he did against Minneosta.

What would you have done *Psycorp* if you were PJ in 2004? Bench Kobe? Tell Shaq to stop gaining position to allow Kobe to fire more shots in Tay's face? There's a reason why Kobe shot 38% while Shaq averaged 60%+ against Ben Wallace! What would you have done since you want to question Phil on him siding with Shaq instead of Kobe? In their last year together Phil GAVE Kobe so much freedom to bash Shaq in public while Shaq was basically told by Phil to shut up and don't escalate the feud. Yes Shaq O'Neal deserved every flak sent at him for 2002-2003 season but in their last season together Shaq came up and destroyed whatever center while Kobe fired bricks and you are faulting Phil for Kobe's failure?

Hypocrite!

Justa- darn. Do you think if I just flashed a little more skin I would have won? Oh wait.

Ok, fine. I'll save my pins, posters and bumper stickers. A few words crossed out, a few more added, 'Let's Put phred's Butt in the seat at the All Star Game!'

what do you think? Nice ring to it, huh?

Posted by: phred | June 28, 2010 at 08:33 PM

phred, you sound as obsessed with your own butt as Mike T was with Kwame's calves LOL, but at least you realized that you can't beat Justa. Go and sit wherever you want. Maybe your butt is useful and comfortable for sitting. You can claim that you have that in common with AMMO.

Blitz - You speak clear.

"Has any other coach in the history of the NBA been so blatantly GREEDY in selling out his players' trust and confidentiality? Permit me to repeat myself, S-E-L-L-O-U-T. Comprendes?"

Oh so remember when Kobe said that Shaq paid his women to shut wasn't a breach of trust? Or Shaq saying that "the whole team was there" while Kobe was recovering from knee surgery wasn't either? Things don't usually stay in the locker room especially in such a feud and players just itching to tell reporters what their feelings are.

"He allowed Shaq to report to camp out of shape, not criticizing his futility at the FT line, not calling out him to give more effort on Defense."

Phil *ORDERED* Shaq to come in Shape in 03-04. Phil *hated* that Shaq did his "I'll heal on compnany time" line and ordered that boy to come in shape and guess what? He did! And FT's? The Lakers tried *everything* to improve Shaq's free throws. They even had Ed Palubinskas come to help Shaq with his free throws. After Shaq felt confident that he could shoot free throws he dismissed Ed. And as for defense? Shaq did play defense granted the screen and rolls were forever a constant source of irritation but hey Bynum is getting the same calls as well! Bigs *hate* coming out at times because either 1) They are out of the lane because of that and 2) They could get a switch against a quicker person and get blown by! Shaq did what he could on defense but Shaq was never a true defensive stopper. But whatever Shaq lacked on defense he sure made it with his unstoppable offense1

"At the same time coddling Shaq Phil also invented (lied?) about Kobe throwing his HS games so he could be a hero? "

There's ALOT of people who believed that even before Phil heard it. In fact some people even at Lower Merion still wonder if Kobe did really let the score run up so he could dominate at the end. Is it true? Not likely but Phil wasn't the source and he happen to hear it. Was it bad on Phil's part to mention it? Yes but he wasn't the one who lied about it.

Ah the uncoachable. Have you even *read* the story? It was after a game in Sacramento that the media accused Kobe of tanking that game to show how the offense was stale without him. Phil actually stood up for Kobe and found nothing wrong that Kobe was doing in running the offense and becoming aggressive in the 2nd half. Then an anonymous teammate said in the paper "I don't know how we can forgive him" and Kobe just exploded in practice. Karl Malone tried to calm Kobe down but Kobe just went after Karl instead. Another bad move by Phil but at the time with the problems Kobe was causing Phil was frustrated. Here is one of you best players causing fights with other teammates just because he was told to calm down? You judge a book by it's cover don't you??

"Anybody here noticed that he pretty much stopped criticizing Kobe, even later on when Kobe's action was questionable by the media and fans such as when he shot too much or too little?"

Oh so forget that Phil calmed Kobe down in the Summer of 2007 when Kobe was throwing the Lakers under the bus himself and calling Mitch an Idiot? You criticize Phil for bringing the Lakers rings but oh well I guess you like to LOSE in the 2nd round rather than win a ring!

Your analysis is just as bad as those who judge a book by its cover!

Otis,

Those idoitic comments about how "Phil was lucky" fail to realize how lucky Kobe and Michael were lucky to have Phil. MJ never won without Phil neither has Kobe so far. Shaq only one because he had Wade and Pat Riley to destroy Cuban's overrated team.

Their arguments are just as weak as those who claim that Kobe tanked the Kings game to show how the offense sucks without him or that he gave up in Game 7 of the 06 series when he was firing like hell in the first half while the Suns built a 15 points lead yet tried to get his teammates to come online since his previous scoring wasn't winning the game for them.

It's just their speculation that made them to believe fiction from FACT.

Lewsters,
Excellent post! To the list of Kobe Haters, you should add people who say they hate Kobe because he's a rapist. Nevermind that the girl had other men's semen in her panties and that Kobe was never convicted. To these KH "fans", Kobe raped the girl.

Wade + Bosh, James + Bosh = great combos.

However, Wade + James = not so great.

Why: James and Wade both need the ball. In any team you see, there is only one primary ball handler (other than the PG) There is only one ball, neither of those would be happy to be deprived of it towards the end of the game.

Is James going to wait and watch Wade bring up the ball and create shots/play for him? Or is Wade going to see James bring up the ball, so that Wade can spot up and shoot??

I dont think that either is going to happen.

Wade + Who Johnson + Bosh = possible. But Bosh has said he wants to be the "#1" guy, and I dont see that happening!!

Adam Morrison can still play and he doesn't need to prove himself. With so much talent in the Lakers team, he stays in the background. Hope he finds a team that can use his talent.

HOW CAN YOU HATE KOBE ???
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If you are a Lakers fan, how can you seriously NOT like Kobe Bryant. How can you not like a player who everybody admits works harder than any other player in the league on his craft? How can you not cheer for a player who everybody acknowledges is the best closer and clutch scorer in the league? How can you not admire a player who everybody says plays harder than any other player in the NBA? How can you not love a player without whom we would have not won 5 NBA championships.
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Frankly, I don’t understand Lakers fans that are Kobe Haters. I can’t explain how they think they can claim they have been Lakers fans before Kobe got here and will be Lakers fans long after he’s gone but will then check their purple and gold hearts and banners at the door so long as Kobe Bryant is a Laker. Make no mistake, that is what they’re really doing by not appreciating and supporting Kobe Bryant. It’s allowing some quirky personal bias cheat you out of cheering and rooting for a truly great player.
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I’m not even saying that Kobe is the greatest Laker or better than MJ or Magic or Jerry. That’s not the issue. The issue is if you are a Lakers fan, you root for every guy on the team to do well because that’s the way you show your loyalty and support. That does not mean you can’t criticize or complain. But when you start rooting Kobe to miss or Kwame to drop the ball or Drew to get injured, then you stop being a Lakers fan as far as I am concerned. And if that bothers you, you ought to think twice.
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TOM


Okay, LakerTom. I'll answer as a former Kobe Hater. The simple answer is this: laundry, history, and Kobe Bryant.

Laundry first. To many Laker Fans/Kobe Haters (LF/KH), the uniform matters first and foremost. LF/KH sees the main goal of the team as winning titles. The love of the players wearing the uni flows from their pursuit of that goal. To many LF/KHs, the opposite has been true of Kobe Bryant. Many of them still believe (not without cause) that the organization has spent more time and effort catering to him than any other player in team history. Yet to them Kobe has not returned the favor, focusing more on Kobe than the organization. To the LF/KH, even his pursuit of titles has been more about his race against Jordan than the Lakers. He wanted to be a leader and a franchise player, regardless of the cost.

The LF/KH fan believes that Bryant was the main reason a dynasty that could have rivaled the 60's Celtics broke up. To them, that is an unforgivable sin.

History: The Lakers have had players who were charismatic, team-oriented, and led the team moreso than controlled it. To LF/KH, their touchstone is Magic Johnson, who inspired the fans with unselfish play. Magic to them (and me) *still* defines the Lakers. In contrast, LF/KH sees Kobe as a ball-hog, a guy who will jack up 1-on-3 or off balance shots when he senses a duel is on, at the expense of the team. They recall the way Kobe shot the team out of the 2004 Finals (which no fan who remembers the games or looks at the stats can really dispute). They just don't hold him in the esteem of his Laker predecessors.

Kobe: The dude just isn't that likeable, much less loveable, to many fans. He doesn't have the charm of a Magic or the guile of an MJ in the press. The man is 32 years old and LF/KH still pictures him as the arrogant, petulant private school kid on whom the Lakers mortgaged their future. For many Lakers fans who adore Kobe, they chose sides in 2004 and stuck doggedly with the choice. Those who chose the other side are mostly LF/KHs.

So, it is entirely possible to LF/KHs to love the uniform and, based on the history of the team and the nature of Bryant, hate Kobe.

I am no longer a Kobe Hater. I originally chose the name "Exiled" on this blog because I believed the organization had turned on its team-first history to accommodate Bryant. For one, the things that emerged in the wake of the summer of 2007 showed me that the organization let him down in several ways after trading Shaq. O'Neal himself even echoed some of those sentiments, which was the turning point for me personally. Plus, reading both Phil Jackson's book, and George Lazenby's "The Show" helped me develop a balanced picture of Kobe. This led to my very public mea culpa on this very blog 36 months ago (well before the Gasol trade).

Now, my outlook is more balanced. I think there are good reasons to criticize or dislike Kobe's past behavior, but it's unfair to give him more grief or blame for past mistakes as he still gets. I think people don't appreciate his growth as a team player and his own maturation. I think taking his lumps for a few seasons taught him quite a bit. I'll never love him like Magic, but it's hard to deny that once the organization fulfilled its promises to build talent around him, he set a winning tone for the team.

I also think KH's in general hate him because he threatens their perceptions of him and basketball history. To them, this spoiled wannabe can never be at MJ's (or even Magic's) level even if the evidence may show otherwise.

But time, experience and research can change the outlook of a LF/KH.

As it did mine.

And another note, LakerTom. A fan can between root for a guy to do well and still dislike him. For example, there's probably not a fan of any team in the NFL who doesn't dislike at least one player on the team. Ask Washington fans like me, who dislike Haynesworth, but would be crazy to root against him to make a stop behind the line of scrimmage on a 3d-and-short play in a divisional game.

A lot of LF/KHs probably rooted against Kobe and the Lakers at first, but over time, that gets tiresome.

I think fans likes and dislikes of a player vacillate between love/hate depending on performance.

The performance of Ron at times was so bad people were saying we should have kept Ariza, Fish was bad at times and many wanted to bench/trade him.
Gasol got the big Gasoft treatment, Bynum took a lot of flak for his defense and energy, even Kobe had to take flak for his perceived shortcomings. Same with the bench.

When they lose or play poorly affection can rapidly turn to dislike, but then when they are winning and making clutch shots and playing well they are loved again.

Most fans are fickle, nothing new about that, always been that way, probably always will be that way, in most all sports.

Only the die-hards keep liking a player even when they are doing poorly.

Art -- I tend to agree. In the heat of the moment, I might dog out an Artest, Gasol, Fisher or even Kobe. If people who watched any given game with me didn't know any better, they'd think What Are You DOOO-ING?!?!?!? is Kobe's last name. But after a night's sleep (or two), I'm okay and ready to pull for them again.


True fans of any given NBA team know (or should know) that the season and the playoffs are one long marathon, not a sprint. If this past playoff season didn't teach us that, we'll never learn it.

Raja Bell.

Tracy McGrady.

Three-Peat.

DBDH!

I know few about Adam. But anyway, he is one of the team of Lakers. Then I like him.

I saw Adam today at a local bakery. There aren't many people with a Zag's plate in LA.

I know that comments here are all about sports rants. I suppose I could do that since I went to school in eastern Washington too( WSU). But I have a different take.

I hope the craziness of getting a new contract, being a new father, and managing diabetes doesn't drag him down too much. He has always had good energy and I hugely respect anyone who deals with chronic illness.

I had a kidney transplant and I have seen several people with transplants who didn't take care of their diabetes. Worse yet, I have had acquaintances who have gone blind, lost legs and died because they haven't done what was needed. So for him to be at this level doing what he does, he gets props from me for being a good human being.

Keep the faith Adam!

Adam is a class act. He would be playing more on a lesser NBA team. He keeps a good attitude for the hand he has been dealt.

Adam Morrison would be a great fit for Miama to space the floor for their 3 amigos, even if he's backing up Mike Miller. And, since he hasn't played for 2 years, Miami could afford him. And, why not Jerome Randall as an inexpensive point guard project who's faster than a jet and can space the floor with 3s from as far away as Morrison launched in college?

Adam Morrison is a person of class. A team player with a great attitude. Basketball is a team sport and I hope some team gives him a chance. He has earned it.

Hang in there Adam.


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