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Luke Walton shares frustrations regarding his back injury

Plenty of episodes transpired this season that helped push Lakers forward Luke Walton into what he called a "dark moment."

He played in only 29 regular-season games because of a pinched nerve in his lower back. Even when he finally returned in mid-January, it took only a month before the pain returned. And then there's his father, Bill Walton, who went through similar problems with his spine, injuries that doctors believe aren't genetic in the Walton family but have been all too common.

Luke Walton's injury-plagued career with the Lakers inevitably raises questions about whether the Lakers should absorb the three years left on his $16-million contract. All those negative issues often became too much for Walton to bear.

"There were a lot of times this year where I was really down and out," Walton said. "I was struggling. I wasn't a happy man."

Walton enters this summer in what should be the most important off-season in his seven-year career. His exit interview this week primarily centered on how he'll treat his back this summer. Walton's back also influenced Lakers General Manager Mitch Kupchak in selecting West Virginia forward Devin Ebanks with the 43rd pick Thursday in the NBA draft. And how Walton recovers this summer will strongly influence his standing with the team.

"With Luke's back, we're not sure what the future holds for him," Kupchak said. "He struggled this year and to his credit, came back and was available during the playoffs. But he really struggled. He's going to devote the summer to rehabilitation. But if Luke can't really make a contribution next year, we felt we really had to get somebody who could back him up."

That's why Walton views it as critical that he tackles his off-season work the right way. He's visiting several "specialists" who will work with him to increase his strength so he can avoid surgery. He's refusing to dwell on his extensive injury history. And he's hoping to maintain a positive attitude, which helped him get through the season despite some dark moments.

Some Lakers fans roll their eyes at the following premise considering Walton's marginal statistical impact. But the Lakers coaching staff and players value Walton for his passing abilities, understanding of the triangle offense and fulfilling the team-first player that Coach Phil Jackson preaches. It's not a bold claim that had Walton been healthy this season, the offensive fluidity in the regular season would have been much smoother and Ron Artest's struggle with the triangle wouldn't have been as heavily exposed.

That's partly why the team embraced him, which helped Walton fight through his frustrations this season, described by him as the "toughest" and "frustrating with exception to winning the team championship." Walton enjoyed the rare moments he spent with his father. He cherished the opportunity Jackson granted him in helping out the coaching staff. And he relished traveling with the team.

"It gave me my sense of self-worth," Walton said, "even though I wasn't able to play."

Walton hopes his self-worth next season will be derived from playing, something that will be answered this off-season. He believes there will be a pay off so long as he keeps a positive attitude.

"I've got to be optimistic about it," Walton said. "I've got to be looking forward to the challenge in getting this thing better and letting it play out how it does."

--Mark Medina

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I like that he gets coaching duty though.

Ok, here's the plan:
Hope Luke's back is good. Let's give him some minutes in the regular season to inflate is value, he's a great passer. Then, we trade him by the mid-season and voila'...it's done. As much as I understand he's a great passer, runs the triangle very good...but overall was a bad deal. Nobody wants him, so we need to give him minutes.
Sad to say, as I saw some potential on him...

We need him as far as we haven't got the minimum number of players in the roster. Until we have them, we need to keep him at all costs.

As i said before, i need to recognice that even with reduced minutes in the playoffs, he made an impact against the ceptics, and i truly respect that.

He did a good job on D on Pierce, must say...He's not that bad, but his salary...WOW, it's way too much.

LakerTom predicted that Bynum would be an all star for the last three years in a row - WRONG

LakerTom wanted Bynum to be the #2 option ahead of Gasol, but continues to claim how much he loves Gasol - LIE

LakerTom wanted the offense the revolve around Bynum over Kobe just last year, but continues to say Kobe is his favorite player - LIE

LakerTom predicted Farmar would be the Laker PG for this dynasty - WRONG

LakerTom wanted Lamar to be let go last summer to ensure minutes for Bynum. Now he wants Lamar traded again. Yet he claims that he the "biggest Lamar supporter out there". - LIE

This man is not a Laker fan, he is a Bynum fan. He is Mike T reincarnated. He gets angry at the Bosh rumors because the trade is unlikely to happen (true), yet continues to spew out his own unlikely trade proposals. - HYPOCRITE

LakerTom continues to say that Gasol cannot play center, yet he ignores the fact that Gasol held his own against Dwight. - WRONG

When Laker Tom is in a discussion with someone who does not agree with him, he resorts to insults, and misquotes people, rather than providing a logical argument. - SAD

He loves to repost his same drivel over and over and over again. He even reposts his posts from years ago. - SAD

If hypocrisy had a name, it would be spelled LakerTom.

Get well, Luke. Hope you later become the next PJackson.

i like Luke and wish him a complete recovery with his injury and help win the 3rd. A healthy is Luke is truly a catalyst in the second unit, a glue.

Laker Hypocrit,

I very much disagree with your venom.
aker has his opinions of which some I share and some I don't. He is entitled to his opinion without being attacked by a less than knowledgeable blogger.

Bynum was injured 2 times by freak accidents and a third on which he played with a torn minicus and still contributed. I dare say without Bynum we don't beat the Ceptics.

Pau has been unjustly attacked by many and all he has done is help the Lakers reach 3 finals in a row.

Now Farmar I think will get traded and I hope for eithe Collison or Rubio.

If you post just keep to backing up your position wih facts and not attacks.

Thank you

Luke is at best ok but fits what a player should be when you aren't the go to guy: help the offense go. Doesn't have to be the pass that leads to an assist just make it going until you have the best shot possible whether it's a jumper or a close basket shot.

One reason Kobe is good since he doesn't have to be racking up assists and yet makes his teammates better.

Very like what the triangle offense.

And again Luke's contract does not hurt the Lakers when it comes to free agents. Yes it's a waste but wasn't Vlad Rad's was especially his first year when he decided to go snowboarding himself off the mountain? Luke's contract is $4-5 million the *average* of the NBA so you can complain more about Darko or Marko's contract a hella lot more or even Brian Cardinal's contract more than Luke in terms of money.

The biggest negative is the *length* of years and in that case Luke is overpaid by 1 year. It should have been a team option at the very most but it's guaranteed so reason why Luke is overpaid. Money wise? No. Length wise yes.

And Luke actually didn't embarrass himself against the Celtics....Vlad Rad did MUCH worse.

MM,

I comment add check the box remember my personal info yet after each comment my info disappears. What gives?

Laker Hypocrite,
1- If you repost, then put "repost"
2- If nobody said anything the first time about your post, then don't repost it
3- Laker Tom can be an easy shot for a wannabe poster who wants to get noticed, but the people who argues with him have some badges as bloggers around here.
4- Listen to JLF

JLF,

Where do these bloggers come from? Suddenly new handles come up without even the courtesy of introducing themselves. They just make daring statement without any idea of the blog's culture. It is pure attack to their heart's content. firstly, we have the right to talk about players, coaches or any public figures but not against a blogger whom we don't know; secondly, if you attack the ideas expounded by LakerTom, attack the idea but not the person; thirdly, if you wish to blog with us on regular basis, be kind enough to insert first yourself with what you believe and be courteous too or else, you don't get any respect in this blog. I am referring to these people who changed handles or names on a daily basis. They are a bunch of COWARDS trolls and fans. We know who JLF is? or who is Justa? or Art FlFan? or LTLF or KB Blitz etc. etc. etc. Why because they blog regularly and shared their views whether in favor or against to what was posted. They are polite, courteous, knowledgeable and can be trusted fans. Now Who is FAN? Who is BALL Hog? Why do we have to respond to rude posts?

LongTimeLakerFan,

you wrote: Thanks for the props. But to be honest, I lean toward keeping Bynum. The main advantages to keeping Bynum are that he already knows the triangle, he knows he's the third option in the offense and has no problem with that, he already has good chemistry with everybody, and when it comes to a shoving match, he can hold his own with anybody. If Kareem could get him shooting a skyhook, he'd be nigh unstoppable, but that may be too much to hope for.

my response: I've said this before, but few people seem to be paying attention.
Let me say this again. I have no problem with keeping Bynum. Yes, there
are valid reasons for keeping Bynum. There are also valid reasons for
trading Bynum for Bosh. I have a problem with the outright lies that
are told in the trade scenario.

Cheers

I was also referring to this crude name Laker Hypocrite.

I agree with Mr. Nano, those newbies and wannabes, if these people are not courteous enough to warrant any reply, treat them as TROLLS.

Don't respond to any troll because it is a waste of time.

JustaLakerFan,

re: the lakerhypocrit's post.

you do realize that LakerTom started this crap with his snide comments
about KB Blitz, LakerTruth & myself don't you?

I would like to be clear about this before someone misunderstands my
motives and says crap that isn't true.

I understand that we're all different folks with different opinions. That's a
beautiful thing.

LakerTom has consistently posted hyperbole as fact. He has consistently
marginalized the comments of myself, KB Blitz & LakerTruth where they
relate to Andrew Bynum & Pau Gasol. He has instigated a number of
insulting/catty dialogues that need never have happened.

LakerHypocrit's post, while perhaps venomous to you, is factually correct
regarding LakerTom's posts.

That being said, why don't we all go back to enjoying our 16th championship
& pretend that this crap never happened?

Go Kobe!
Go Lakers!!!

"LakerHypocrit's post, while perhaps venomous to you, is factually correct
regarding LakerTom's posts."
Hobbit, the original came from your keyboard perhaps? -i'm not saying you are, that's why i'm asking-

I don't care if you, Blitz, LakerTruth or anybody wants to say anything like that to LakerTom, but we all know you by your name, and we all know what all of you think of him. And he is old enogh to defend himself. The big problem is the cowardice. That troll hides himself behind his nickname, so he doesn't want to face the consecuences of his acts. That anoyed Edwin, and me too.

Maybe he is one of our regulars, that doesn't want to stain his good name and took that crap out of his system. COWARD.

Maybe he is the chamaleonic troll who is lurking around from some time now. COWARD.

Maybe -and i hope is the case now- is a new poster who wants atention. COWARD.

As long as somebody sticks with his real name, he can say wathever he wants as far as i care. Knowing him, allows anybody just to scroll down. Everybody happy, except LT.

Laker Hypocrite,
1- If you repost, then put "repost"
2- If nobody said anything the first time about your post, then don't repost it
3- Laker Tom can be an easy shot for a wannabe poster who wants to get noticed, but the people who argues with him have some badges as bloggers around here.
4- Listen to JLF

Posted by: MrNano | June 25, 2010 at 08:00 PM

heyyyyyyyyyyyyyy Mr.

regardless of the screen name, obviously Laker Hypocrite is pretty well documented on all his points regarding LaerTom.

and because u try to become another member of the Blog Policing Squad (that LakerTom started it, JUSTA cheered it, and in a strange manner, EDWIN, who posted the free speech rights on the internet and now HIMSELF is POLICING the blog), let's see about yoiur 4 points.

1. isn't LakerTom the ONE who re-posts all his blabbering on the beginning of the following 2-3 threads, even if NO ONE answers to his posts?

but that's OK, because he likes hearing himself.

2. i did not know that u r in charge of INK and PAPER DEPARTMENT and how much can be used on each thread.

3. so who is giving out the badges?
LakerTom who is calling posters FAIRE-WEATHER FANS?
JUSTA, who is calling posters NEWBIES?
BLITZ, who tried the STANS thing but did not stick?
or EDWIN??????????????????

with his passive - aggressive attacks and call for kumbayah when he is losing the BYNUM argument, he is ASKING to be an easy target. did not look like Laker Hypocrite to be a wanna be poster. see above. well documented on all the points.

4. STFU. who is JustaLakerFan. is he/she JUST? or JUST a?

why don't you JUST enjoy your little Chile moment and chill. because in a few days the samba is coming to a town near you. and maybe it will be a mental "earthquake" (no pun intended) for the country.

how many other other owners has luke's agent raped? BREAKING NEWS...LAKERS HAVE FOUND THEIR NEW POINT GUARD. HE'S A 33 YEAR OLD ITALIAN STAR. AND A DEREK FISHER CLONE. WELL KINDA. PERHAPS A LITTLE QUICKER GOING TO THE HOLE. http://youtube.com/watch?v=Ss6pgPKGfc4http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=es&u=http://www.malagahoy.es/article/deportes/733353/mcintyre/rechaza/la/primera/oferta.html&ei=UTolTLKJJcHflgeiydTMAg&sa=X&oi=translate&ct=result&resnum=1&ved=0CBUQ7gEwAA&prev=/search%3Fq%3Dhttp://www.malagahoy.es/article/deportes/733353/mcintyre/rechaza/la/primera/oferta.html%26hl%3Den%26safe%3Doff%26sa%3DX

COME ON MITCH...YOU CAN DO BETTER THAN THIS

I wonder if anyone else reading this noticed the sweet moment caught on TV just before tip-off of game 2 of the finals. If you remember, Kareem and Bill Walton were speaking about coach John Wooden. While Bill was delivering that eloquent speech, there was a great shot of Luke seeming to wipe away some tears, while in the background Phil was looking at Luke with this amazing expression that I took as being all at once proud, compassionate and appreciative of Luke's reaction.

Mr. Nano,

you wrote: Hobbit, the original came from your keyboard perhaps? -i'm not saying you are, that's why i'm asking-

my response:

1st. hello.

2nd. Thank you for actually asking me. To answer your question, no.
I didn't post it. I have only used one handle on this blog. If I were going
to call LakerTom out, I would to it as I've done before.

I'm a whisky - neat kinda guy. No mixer. No ice. It's the same on the blog.

So. how bout those Lakers? :)

1st of all, to all of our bloggers who are interested in BBall don't read this, it will be a waste of time for you, except if you are:

ouchhhhhhhh,
I stick with what i said. If you want to say something to somebody else, then say it, but don't hide behind new nicknames to do it. Just as you said that to me, and i'm saying this to you. I'm not a blog policeman, i don't have the training to do it, not the patience, nor the vocabulary.

"1. isn't LakerTom the ONE who re-posts all his blabbering on the beginning of the following 2-3 threads, even if NO ONE answers to his posts?"
- I scroll down most of his posts.

"regardless of the screen name, obviously Laker Hypocrite is pretty well documented on all his points regarding LaerTom."
- I didn't say anything about that poster about being right or wrong about LT.

"2. i did not know that u r in charge of INK and PAPER DEPARTMENT and how much can be used on each thread."
- Who said i was???

You are too fast to say all of that, maybe LH was your alter ego? -i'm not sure also, that's why i'm asking-

Before your post i was going to say that my lakerholism is making me crazy right now. I'm a little bit grumpy, and that's why i was so vehement writing that. I NEED SOME LAKERS NEWS!!! I NEED TO KNOW ABOUT THE FA'S!!! I NEED THE SUMMER LEAGUE NOW!!!


"why don't you JUST enjoy your little Chile moment and chill. because in a few days the samba is coming to a town near you. and maybe it will be a mental "earthquake" (no pun intended) for the country."
- Sure i'm, and Brasil is going to be tough -as Spain- but is not at the best of 7, so anything can happen.
BTW there still some earth tremors around here, just yesterday happened a big one. In 10 years from now i'll care about pun or not pun XD

WinstonDupree,

I don't know what your handle is, but you've got to tell me how you
got images into the live chat.

http://www.silverscreenandroll.com/2010/6/25/1537657/the-death-of-the-lakers

The "Don't feed the trolls" pic & others are priceless!

"BLITZ, who tried the STANS thing but did not stick?"

ouch I used STANS when Laker fans in 09 ABANDONED their team just because of the "softness" tag. I learned in general that Laker fans or other teams fans are just going to act like babies when their team loses. Wow we are up 3-0 with home court advantage and we lose Game 4 in 2000. Wow bash Shaq and Kobe, Shaq didn't act like an MVP and Kobe was wannabe yadda yadda yadda. The Stanlies disappeared soon enough with Wins. Where are the Stanlies now like Todd and DFish and Staples24 who FLOODED the blog earlier this season with not only Fisher hate but also Kobe hate? Todd calling us "Mamba fans instead of Lakers fans" or Staples24/17 with his "There will always be Superstars but only the LA Lakers" nonsense to discredit Kobe. Winning the title silenced those Bandwagon fans. So I stopped using Stanlies.

At the same time though oucchh I try to be mature about things even if other bloggers keep up with the "are you dumb??" "you stupid??" just to prove their point. Usually I defend LT but while I don't really want to be associated with Laker Hypocrite, the thing I can say is Laker Tom had it coming so I'm not really that inclined to defend him this instant though usually I will.

Well, some nasty digs going on aroung here. To say that Tom's not a real Lakers fan is absurd. I mean seriously? It's one thing for Laker Hypocrite (whoever that is) to say it but for some of you to back it up as factually accurate?

I think the time has come for Luke and the Lakers to part ways this clown can not play a lick of basketball. Mitch erred greatly in signing this guy who was never on any GM's wish list or any euro league must have list. Damn Mitch you screwed up major with the worst long term contract for a player since Jon Koncak. Quickly buy out his remaining contract and move on you freaking clutz!

From yenlard link:
"El agente del jugador aseguró ayer a este periódico que maneja una oferta del reciente campeón de la NBA por alrededor de un millón de dólares para que McIntyre juegue la próxima campaña junto a Pau Gasol y Kobe Bryant. El base tendría así la oportunidad de debutar a sus 33 años en la NBA, aunque lo haría con un rol muy secundario."

The Lakers are offering him 1 milion to play, maybe he wants to play in the NBA, we all know that in europe he can win more $$$. He is 33 years old... i don't know about that.

yenlard, any Bio?

BLOGGING IS TOUGH !!!
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I think even my foils like Hobbitmage and Blitz would agree that the single most frustrating issue to deal with as a Lakers Blogger is having your most heartfelt passionate positions, beliefs, and opinions regarding your beloved Lakers and favorite players misconstrued, misunderstood, or misrepresented. When you wear your heart on your sleeve as many of us do, your immediate reaction is often anger and your subsequent response is often to fire back at your protagonist, usually by upping the stakes.
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The comments by Laker Hypocrite were a perfect example of how my longtime support and belief that Andrew Bynum is a vital key to the Lakers success and should not be traded have been distorted to the extent that many of the casual visitors to the blog probably think I am a wild-eyed version of Mike T who is so obsessed with Andrew Bynum that every move or suggestion I make is somehow due to him. In our brave new virtual world, all it takes is a few consistent voices to change reality into an illusion.
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So let me set the record straight. My favorite player is Kobe Bryant. I believe Andrew Bynum is going to be the Next Great Lakers Center. None of that changes or alters the fact that I’m a Lakers fan first and foremost. If Mitch Kupchak and the Lakers front office decided to trade Kobe Bryant or Andrew Bynum, I would still be a Lakers fan, just as I was before Kobe or Drew came along and as I will be long after they have both retired – provided of course that I am fortunate enough to live that long.
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That’s why I really don’t care that much if I am right or wrong about player evaluations. As smart as I am and as how well I know the game of basketball, I realize that compared to Mitch Kupchak or Phil Jackson, I’m nothing but another articulate and knowledgeable arm chair coach and general manager. As many NBA games as I have seen and as much time as I have spent reading and blogging about the Lakers, I’m only an amateur making educated guesses without the benefit of all of the information.
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All I really care about is the Lakers winning. What I do bring to the table is the unique perspective of having personally watched and cheered my Lakers to eleven NBA championships and followed the personal growth and development of every single Lakers superstar from Jerry West to Elgin Baylor. As I have said many times, that is why I have always believed in Kobe Bryant even in the darkest of the post-Shaq days and why I believe so strongly that Andrew Bynum is going to be a great player.
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I am not unaware as to why I am such a polarizing contributor to the blog. My nature has always been to throw a punch rather than turn a cheek, the result of growing up as a half-Chinese kid in all white suburban communities who expected me to be the quiet inscrutable Asian kid who never spoke up. While I have outgrown the chip on my shoulder, the brashness and confidence that is often seen as condescending and pompous by some still remain a part of who I am though I strive to be better. To Hobbitmage and Blitz, I fully admit my Odom for Collison trade is less likely than Bynum for Bosh.
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This blog is a unique community unlike any I have been involved in before. In a way, it is a family and at times brothers and sisters will have spats and sometimes say things they do not mean and wish they hadn’t. One thing I respect about Hobbitmage and Blitz is that if they have something to say to me, they have the balls (I think they’re both guys but after Justa, I’m never sure) to say it without hiding behind a one-time blog handle. As for Justa, MrNano, and others who rushed to my support, it’s always great to have friends who have your back. Bottom line, we’re all Lakers fans.
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TOM

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terrell_McIntyre Looks like he can shoot. Then again, this is the Italian League. Pretty sure the contract is not guaranteed. However, he probably doesnt come if it isnt a sure thing

I get the feeling the lakers are hoping j crit works out in the summer league. they know him, and from what we understand liked him as a player. perhaps they sign him to part of the mle, get bell and add a big and then call it a day. as far as trading bynum, didnt mitch say the top six weren't being dealt? gotta agree with him after two straight championships. how does byron scott sound as head coach. and will fisher be with the team if he is the new ooach?

Tom,
I usually scroll, scroll, scroll down your posts. The only reason i read some parts of the latest one, was because i saw my name in the end LOL
Please add a summary at the end of the long ones -99%- maybe i can read more of them -not related to bynum-.
BTW, i read the short ones.

KB Blitz

i just added the Stans "reference" because "historically" and as "timeline" got here in the name calling campaign.

Thanks yenlard ,
He is too small to play in the USA, but he is ok playing in europe, maybe he is using the Lakers name just for leverage for his new contract.

Nick Young would be a player of interest for combo guards available this summer!

As for Justa, MrNano, and others who rushed to my support, it’s always great to have friends who have your back. Bottom line, we’re all Lakers fans.
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TOM
Posted by: LakerTom June 25, 2010 at 09:35 PM

just what Hypocrite is exactly. as soon as you Bynum arguments and HIS PLAY don't support IT or YOU R under attack, you backpedal and you r asking for the little Kumbayah dance. no more FAIRE_WEATHER? no more NEWBIES?

the same little history of : BYNUM will be an ALL STAR next year. not surprised you like him. more he speaks up, more he self-defeats. same with you.

"Bottom line, we’re all Lakers fans."
"Bottom line, we’re all Lakers fans."
"Bottom line, we’re all Lakers fans."
"Bottom line, we’re all Lakers fans."
"Bottom line, we’re all Lakers fans."
"Bottom line, we’re all Lakers fans."

look in the mirror and repeat that before you POST and CALL others names.

We are soooo bored around here without laker news.

My point is Mr Ouchhhhh, no matter how many question mark you put after my first name, I know you. You are honest about it and have suffered all slings and arrows here. What we're targeting are the fans or trolls who go on blog guerrilla (al qaeda style). they hid in several handles and get into attack mode. We really don't care if you insult LT but at least identify yourself clearly and succinctly. If you do no have any blog personality yet then STFU. You know me I don't usually use those foul languages but sometimes you really have to do it because we're tired of being intimidated by a bunch of LB rookies. They want to have a cake and eat it too at our expense.

@ LakerTom . . .

I really appreciate your thoughtful words in a conciliatory tone. In fact, I am PROUD of you. I know that took some real character and courage to do that. You indeed know your B-ball and your Lakers. Your posts almost always instigate some thought processes in me for the better.

Although we are different on the spiritual plane, I know we share common passions for the Lakers. I applaud your restraint on throwing a punch this time and instead turning your cheek. Bravo!

What a great run we have had this year!
Continue celebrating #16!

Mike

yup, it's the offseason here on the Lakers blog.

What I don't get is how some of you act like somebody is holding a gun to your heads and making you read everybody's comments. sure, Hobbit and Blitz will wear out your scroll wheel, but nobody has to read them if they don't want to.

If I could change one thing about the blog, I would have the posters name before their comment, but I can deal.

Hi Gang !!!

Im still on cloud 9 and popped in a few times only to be brought down from my buzz hearing all the trade talk, so soon after going back2back?? So I forced myself to stay away lol Yall kno me tho, I'm a sucker for humor and this cracked me up

" they have the balls (I think they’re both guys but after Justa, I’m never sure)" Laker Tom


LMAOOOOOOOOOOOOOO Of course I thought the entire post was beautifully written, but being around for awhile and having formed a bond with Justa ( amongst others ) I can relate to the statement and see the hilarity in it because next to the season finale of LOST, Justa's lil "reveal" was quite the jaw dropper !!! lmao I'm just happy I befriended her long before the blog knew she was a sports addicted hotty !!! Muwahahahahahahaha ( i have my very own great gazoo ) Anyhoot.. Its a weekend, I figured I'd go to the man cave and watch game 7 of the finals for the 11th time.. except this time, I'm gonna pretend I'm watching it in Boston and allow them to brag, gloat and laugh at me for 3 1/2 qtrs.. then at the 6:14 mark I become the KRAKEN !!!!! lol TD Garden becomes tense and quiet and I'm in there doing my best Dave Chappelle.. at the top of my lungs... WHY YA ALL QUIET NOW?? RAN OUTTA LUCKY CHARMS?? YOU WANT MAGICALLY DELICIOUS?? HERE, TRY THE BROWN NUTS !!!! GOOBLE GOOBLE !!!! Yeah.. I'm gonna watch the game in Boston tonight....

i mean i like luke but i think the lakers should use that 16 million and give it to tracy mcgrady and raja bell the lakers can give them both the mid leve at 5.3 million and still have 6 million left and those to new draft pics we dont need them. give that 6 million to phil jackson so he would take the 6 million puse the 5 they want him to take so thats 11 million

What a great run we have had this year!
Continue celebrating #16! - Laker Mike

~~The sweetest part Laker Mike, it was won against the Celtics. We have been Laker fans during the sixties, it was difficult then to pass them during their era for one reason or another they owned the NBA. The jinx was broken by the Cap & Magic. Well, this seasom it went on 6 games + 3 quarters of the 7th game. WE WON. It was only a week since we got the back2back, Celtics have been totally knocked out to this day. They are all disintegrating fast one after the other. Danny Ainge is turning nuts in plugging all the holes of the Celtic dam from Doc to Sheed to 2 Allen to Paula Pierce to K. Perkins and their draft pick. Who else are quitting the Greenies?

"Humpty Dumpty had a great fall; All the King's horses and all the King's men, Couldn't put Humpty together again."

alot of wasted spit as Mitch K is the GM, Jerry Buss and little Jimmie are the owners, Jeanie and Phil are just decoration that gets the job done. Sit tight, Sheeeezzzz.

Well, I for one will not be counting on getting anything from Luke next year, healthy or not. His contract was an albatross when he was actually able to play, and now that he can't play the contract is just devastating. With the luxury tax, you're talking about $32 million over the next 3 years to a guy who will in all likelihood (whether healthy or not) contribute nothing to the team.

I think Mitch did a very good job in getting PF to support the bench in case Walton's injury got worse or make him unable to play, Luke is a very talented player unfortunately the injury made him unable to contribute much last season. Hope he gets well coz he knows how to play the triangle, all he needs to add is his shooting skills. I think Sasha will improve this year, struggled a lot coz of injuries too but he's been recovering and he needs to develop that this summer. For Bynum much as I like Bosh for he can contribute a lot in offense, it's not easy to materialize this idea considering Bynum is injury prone, would Raptors gamble on that premise? If Bynum can add to his arsenal some shooting skills from 15-18 ft that would be an asset. What I want and I said this before is getting Raja Bell, this guy can still play and he plays tough defense, can shoot from the rainbow, can slice the middle too. I have a feeling Farmar, Brown, Mbenga , Powell and of course Morrison wont be playing for us next season. Hope we can get a very good PG...let's go for 3 peat!!!!!

alot of wasted spit as Mitch K is the GM, Jerry Buss and little Jimmie are the owners, Jeanie and Phil are just decoration that gets the job done.
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They should get Luke to retire and make him part of the coaching staff, otherwise they should buy him out. That type of back injury will linger throughout his career.
nyways, i still can't believe why Mitch signed him for the length of time. I would give anything to know what was going on in his head when he signed luke..What a waste. Anyway, this is the same person that gave extension to Brian Cook.

From Foxsports:


"Los Angeles Lakers: A


Picks: Devin Ebanks (43), Derrick Caracter (58)


No team had a better second round, and there's a lot to be said for that. Many question whether Ebanks will ever put it all together, but he has vast potential and should fit right in for a team that could use an athletic defender on the wing. Caracter is the ultimate risk-reward player, with knocks on just about everything players get knocked for but more talent than some NBA starters. At Nos. 43 and 58, respectively, both were great values. What more can you ask for from the defending champs?"


Wes

Laker Tom,

Laker Hypocrit was probably one of those dudes along the lines DFish or Eric Wright that would attack Jon K just for the sake of attacking someone I guess. Your response was calm and magnanimous.
Laker Hypocrit chose an interesting name for him/herself as the author of the post.

"I'm a little confused. help me out. Earlier the point you made
for Bynum was that his size made him a "true" center. Did I misunderstand
you on that?"


It's a combination of his size and his specific low post skill set that makes him a true center. Big Baby is small but has low post skills. Nowitski is tall and doesn't. It takes both size and the skill set of a center, which very few tall players develop nowadays.


"I gave you a short list of great centers who didn't have the size that Bynum
has. Your response to me was that in addition to size it's also skill set."


Yes, in addition to size, being a center is a skill set.


Those old time centers played in a different era. They were plenty big for their time. Wilt was the only real BIG, and talented, center in the sixties (the talented part excludes Hank Finkel). Then Kareem and Artis came into the league. But Nate Thurmond was a big guy in 1968. So was Willis Reed. And Bill Russell. And power forwards were more 6'7" bangers than 6' 10" to 7' tall guys with floor skills. So comparing a sixties center size wise to today is apples and oranges.

"Are you really arguing that Chris Bosh, from Georgia Tech, is not more skilled
as Andrew Bynum from St. Joseph's high school?"


Not more talented. He has different skills. Look, Dirk is an extremely skilled and tall guy. But he can't play center to save his life. He has a lot of skills, but being a middle-clogging defensive presence and a traditional back-to-the-basket low post threat are not among them.


Bosh is obviously closer to having the center skill set than Dirk, but really, if you watch him, he is a very gifted PF. My point is that we have two of those guys, and one big guy who actually plays center. I would not trade the C for the PF if I were GM. But I might be wrong. Bosh is a very good player and maybe he would make the Lakers better.


By the way, I would guess that if Drew had played for Toronto instead of Bosh that he would have put up bigger numbers than he did in LA.


"Earlier you made the point that you don't trade big for small. Did I misunderstand you on that?"


Maybe you did, I may not have been clear - that was referring to the idea floating of trading Bynum for Chris Pau. Bosh is not small.


hobbit, it's been a nice chat, but it's clear in the end we disagree. I don't know who is right. Both guys are huge assets to any team, obviously.

That McIntyre kid from the Euroleague looks nice --quick release on his J with great range, appears he has a great crossover and can go to any side of the basket and can FINISH once he gets there. Another plus, he passes into the post seemingly WELL! He appears to be fearless -- so what he's 33? If he takes care of his body, it's all good! And even better if we can get him on the cheap and he's talented too, we the champs what we got to lose?? Its call DEPTH!

If we get Raja, Tmac and Korver or somebody like that -- maybe even Bynum from Detroit and perhaps another wide body, we surely will have had an awesome offseason and I won't be madd..Well, just a little, with no bball to watch and all!!

Say no to J Crit. He's been in the league for some time now, and I would've have expected some game from him during this time. Given his availability, that is failure to secure an NBA team so far, has me thinking no way jose. Let's not get him and offer him a life boat at this point.

Laker Tom,

>>> Bottom line, we’re all Lakers fans.

Very classy. Well said.

Luke should go, period. All this talk about therapy, recovery, and working on improving shooting skills this off season is bullshit. The dude doesn't have the same work ethic as (some of) the other lakers to put in work during the off season. Doesn't have an agile body to match his basketball IQ. Moves slower than mollases on the court.

So, Luke should step down on his own volition and save the organization money, which could be used to build an even better team with a subraction (Luke) and a couple of additions (Bell, and a good PG).

yenlard- You're right this guy's a lefty, with game.

Laker Hypocrite is either Hobbitmage or KB Blitz and very obvious, Dr. Watson


I SUGGEST THAT WE HAVE A FAN CHARITY BOXING MATCH:

In the red corner Hobbimage, KB Blitz and Laker Truth.

In the blue corner BynumSwami, Tom Daniels and Art-the-laker

Refree Rick Friedman

Waterboy in the red corner Edwin Gueco
Waterboy in the blue corner ouchhhhhhhh


Tom Daniels,

you wrote: Both guys are huge assets to any team, obviously.

my response: THAT'S THE WHOLE POINT OF THE TRADE!

Chris Bosh would be a HUGE ASSET to the Lakers! Would he give you the
exact same thing as Bynum? No. Would he be useful to the Lakers? YES!

Thanks for your time in chatting.

FAN,

Lol, that's a funny post, but I think you mixed up the corners for the water boys :)

And jftr, if you read back through the blog you will find many bloggers supporting Bynum over Bosh.

And if we had the ability to create our own polls (hint, hint MM), I believe Bynum has more supporters than Bosh.

And thanks for keeping your post 'all in fun'.

Mcintyre's real small, can he defend bigger guards? May not be a problem if he's just brought in for spot minutes ad shooting the 3. I remember when he was at Clemson... seems like a long time ago.
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The problem with Luke's contract is the way it balloons. If he can't get his back right he'll probably get bought out and transition to some kind of staff position, maybe apprentice under Mitch, just like how Mitch did when he retired because of injury.

I have a two-sided fear. I fear that there there will maybe be one--ONE--FA player to replace Joedan Farmar as backup PG. Only one, at the most. But I say this with dread because I can totally see this team being rounded out with our two 2nd round picks and nothing else. These guys may very well be our new bench, and this might be a good thing, once the dust settles, or it might be a bad thing. I'm all for trusting Mitch's guys and giving them a shot at playing, but Jordan Farmar had a BIG role on this team and we had better get someone out of HIS mold (the Farmar mold) and not the Shammond Williams mold. We don't need a guy to sit on the bench and come in and suck. Say what you will about Farmar, the kid had handles and could make a three in a pinch. He really let the team get off to good starts all of his years here, with his best play coming in the 1st halves of seaons. But I thought he played well this year in the postseason and we'd better get a real pro to take his place.


Wes

I SUGGEST THAT WE HAVE A FAN CHARITY BOXING MATCH:

In the red corner Hobbimage, KB Blitz and Laker Truth.
Waterboy in the blue corner ouchhhhhhhh
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the RED corner team will be sponsored by Kobe Bean Bryant with Vitamin water.

looks like the BLUE team will be sponsored by Andrew Bynum with tap water?

>>>>how many other other owners has luke's agent raped?

Ignorant. Let me educate you to some history.

Luke was drafted by the Lakers and worked hard, absorbed the triangle, played in a limited role, and improved each year. From the start, he was known for his passing - for making his teammates better.

By the 2006-07 season, Luke was the third best player on the Lakers. Kobe, then Lamar, then Luke. He ended the season only hitting 39% of his 3-pointers, but before he was injured in January, he was leading the league for awhile in 3-point shooting. So even despite being handicapped with Smush Parker and Kwame Brown as two starters, the Lakers were 27-16 and playing well to start the season.

Then Luke got injured. And later Lamar got injured. With their 2nd and 3rd best players injured, the Lakers went 15-24 to end the season and only managed to last 5 games vs Phoenix with Lamar still with a torn labrum and Walton hobbling around on a half healed ankle.

The Lakers Salary Cap situation at that time was messed up by the Shaq trade - they had a 16 million dollar albatross of a contract in Brian Grant and 0 cap space. If you think the CURRENT situation of no cap space sucks, imagine a world where you have no cap space, and Kwame Brown and Smush Parker are two of your starting players. The Lakers only had an MLE to offer to lure new players, other than their own free agents.

So the Lakers could really only afford to add 1 quality new player that summer, and they couldn't afford to let their 3rd best player leave for another team. Luke had been a 11.4 ppg player who hit almost 40% of his 3's, played solid defense, and got the other players involved. It was a no-brainer to make him an offer.

So at 12:01 on the first day of free agency, Mitch called Luke and offered him a contract. It was for less than MLE level money (which might be considered low for a double digit scorer and a starter), but he made up for it by giving Luke a full 6 years. And Luke accepted the offer. He didn't pull any Trevor Ariza bullshit and claim he was worth more, he just signed the reasonable contract they offered him.

And you have to remember that to that point, Luke hadn't been particularly injury prone. This wasn't like Bynum where he spent the last half of every season out with an injury. He had really only had the one serious injury. And before Luke's injury in the that season, they had been playing really well in SPITE of their crappy PG and C.

So it's disingenuous of you to look at the 2009-10 season of Luke's and use that alone to judge Luke's contract. And it's ignorant to blame Luke for his contract. In retrospect, it looks pretty extravagant. But at the time, the Lakers made a fair offer to their third best player.

In a way, Luke has been like a poor man's Grant Hill. Teams paid Grant Hill 2-3 times what Luke makes for YEARs, while he was perpetually injured. Eventually, Hill got past the injuries and was able to play again. Instead of spewing bile at Luke, you should hope he recovers from his injuries and plays a full healthy season. Because if he was healthy, Luke's passing, three point shooting, and knowledge of the triangle is worth every penny of what he's paid.

LakerTom,

you wrote: What I do bring to the table is the unique perspective of having personally watched and cheered my Lakers to eleven NBA championships and followed the personal growth and development of every single Lakers superstar from Jerry West to Elgin Baylor.

my response:
pom·pous (pmps)
adj.
1. Characterized by excessive self-esteem or exaggerated dignity; pretentious: pompous officials who enjoy giving orders.
2. Full of high-sounding phrases; bombastic: a pompous proclamation.
3. Chracterized by pomp or stately display; ceremonious: a pompous occasion.

You are pompous. If I recall there are at least 4 bloggers here, who can
make the claim of having watched the Lakers from the Elgin Baylor years.
That would mean that your perspective is not unique from a time point of
view.

You wrote this: The comments by Laker Hypocrite were a perfect example of how my longtime support and belief that Andrew Bynum is a vital key to the Lakers success and should not be traded have been distorted to the extent that many of the casual visitors to the blog probably think I am a wild-eyed version of Mike T who is so obsessed with Andrew Bynum that every move or suggestion I make is somehow due to him.

my response: So you indicated you are half asian. I have stated that your
reading comprehension is off. You have written hyperbole as fact and
LakerHypocrit was historically/factually correct in the things he said
about you where he ended the sentence with "wrong".

This is an example of how you write and how people can take things the
wrong way:

The TALL lineup - Odom as pg, Kobe - sg, Artest - SF, Pau - PF, Bynum - C
[ note: that was around January 2010. Remember I called you a liar. ]
After the championship, you suggested the Odom for Collision trade.

Why would some of us see this in a way you didn't intend?

Game 7. Bynum 2pts / 6 rebounds Odom 7 pts / 7 rebounds
Game 6. Bynum 2pts / 4 rebounds Odom 8 pts/ 10 rebounds
Game 5. Bynum 6pts / 1 rebound Odom 8 pts/ 8 rebounds
Game 4. Bynum 2pts / 3 rebounds Odom 10 pts / 7 rebounds
Game 3. Bynum 9pts / 10 rebounds Odom 12 pts/ 5 rebounds
Game 2. Bynum 21 pts/ 6 rebounds Odom 3 pts / 5 rebounds
Game 1. Bynum 10 pts / 6 rebounds Odom 5 pts / 4 rebounds

by this metric we can see that Odom actually outplayed Bynum
over the course of the series. Yes, there are other metrics you
could use. That's not the point. The point is, you went from
talking hyperbole about the *TALL* lineup to talking about
trading Odom. Given your past spewings, it is very easy for one
to take the view that you are protecting your beloved Bynum.

It is not my intent or desire to fight with you. Your writing style invites
conflict because you write hyperbole as fact. If you don't wish for people
to call you a liar or post your past statements and say that you're wrong
or a hypocrit ... I suggest you stop writing hyperbole as fact.

You are free to do what you want to.

Have a great day.

And before anyone suggests it ...

I have no problems with asians or half-asians

Nevermind cap space, how about blog space.. how about trading KB and hobbit to another blog..

>>>Well, I for one will not be counting on getting anything from Luke next year,
>>>healthy or not. His contract was an albatross when he was actually able to
>>>play, and now that he can't play the contract is just devastating. With the
>>>luxury tax, you're talking about $32 million over the next 3 years to a guy
>>>who will in all likelihood (whether healthy or not) contribute nothing to the team

It's funny. All these new bloggers posting all this vitriol about Luke. Either pfunk is posting under 7 different names, or there are a bunch of new fair-weather fans who've never watched an NBA game before this year and have no knowledge of either what Luke provides to a team nor to his history with the Lakers. Not to mention the fact that they have a gross ignorance of how luxury tax works.

Sorry, but when someone posts something this ignorant from a username that hasn't been someone who's posted regularly for years, it's clearly a troll, and they deserve my contempt and a smackdown.

First of all, "God", the reason you don't expect anything from Luke if he's healthy is because you don't know anything about basketball. I suppose you Luuuuuuve guys like Fat-Baby Davis and Nate Robinson, who are all about personal glory and jump up and down and scream and thump their chests and drool if they make one basket in a game. When healthy, Luke is not only a proficient shooter when needed, but he gets the whole team involved. He gets alley-oops for Bynum and Farmar and Brown. But he also gets layups & dunks for MBenga and wide open shots for Powell.

Second, Luke's contract is not an albatross. Far from it. Luke, in the 4th year of his contract will STILL be making less than the first year of MLE contracts. He was the 8th highest paid Laker last season. WHEN HEALTHY, the amount of money he is paid is a bargain. When injured, as he was last season, then it's wasted salary.

But your comprehension of luxury tax is negligible. You double Luke's contract every year. That assumes that ALL salary is doubled when you're in the luxury tax. It's not. Only the salary OVER THE LUXURY TAX LEVEL is doubled. So for example, right now the Lakers have 84 million in contracts for next season, and the Luxury Tax level is about 70 million. So only 14 million of the 84 million will get doubled.

And Luke's 5 million isn't what GOT the Lakers into the Luxury tax. If everyone on the Lakers made 5 to 10 million, no problem, they'd be under the luxury tax easily. Its the 25 million paid to Kobe and the 18 million paid to Pau and the 14 million paid to Bynum that are what's pushing them up to the Luxury tax level.

If you want to increase players salaries to account for Luxury tax, then divvy up the luxury tax by what % of the total salary they earn. Kobe's 25 million is really 29 million with the tax. Luke's 5.2 million is really 6.1 million with the tax.

And you also have complete ignorance to injuries and the NBA. If Luke is too injured to play, then he will have no detriment to the Lakers. If his injuries force him to retire, insurance will pay off the contract and the Lakers will get a Disabled Player Exception allowing them to sign another player.

So if Luke is fully healthy, the Lakers win. And if Luke is so badly injured that he doesn't play, the Lakers win.

You should choose a different username. If you truly were "God" then you would have infinite knowledge, but your post indicates that you don't even have a clue. I suggest "TROLL". That would be a more appropriate user name given the content of your post.

This whole LT/LH/ouch debate is getting quite annoying. If someone's comments bother you, then ignore them. It's just a blog!!! No one is seriously judging you! From the way people are arguing here, you'd think that their character is on the line...

Laker fans lets all unite...
No more games, but lets not fight...
No one is wrong, but many are uptight...
We all want wins, so everyone is right...

The Lakers are strong, beware our might...
Our core is solid, our future bright...
Another bling what a delight...
More will come, we all recite...

Kobe is great, he is our knight...
We have a center, Kid Bynumite...
We have a stopper, he is a fright...
Pau is great and he has the height...

So to Mitch I defer, this I write...
Who we are on opening night...
But other teams are in a blight...
Their best players are all in flight...

Our Nation is here, all in this site...
Some see in black, some see in white...
Let's not be toxic, let's be contrite...
Don't post the ugly, don't post to spite...

LEWTRS

AS LONG Phil Jackson remains the coach of the Lakers, then Luke if healthy is a key cog, a catalyst, a glue. Now, granted he is not Kobe who takes extremely acrobatic shots to get 2 points, in contrast Luke achieves the same results in a much easier fashion, called ball movement aka triangle offense.

Evey time I think of game 7 and I shudder, what could have happened if Phil Jackson had not benched Kobe and told him diplomatically "you are trying to do too much on your own" in other words stop being a ball hog.

Even to Ron's own admission that Kobe never passes me the ball, Paum Bynum , Dfish, Brown, Faramar all of them after each loss would say one thing, "we need to move the ball and start our offense with our bigs"

I also wonder what if LBJ had this team?

This last season eded in such a mind-bending fashion, it wil probably be the thing that drives coach Jackson from coaching. I know it left me slobbering in a corner unable to hold a cup of tea. I literally watched maybe 8-12 min of that game 7, 8-12 min that cost me 8-12 years off my life. I don;t think Jackson will be back.


And I know now how important bench players are. The weight of carrying a team all year, then to and thru a game 7 in the finals is too much for any human to handle. It was the bench players, who didn't have the extra 150 pounds of fan expectations on their shoulders, who were able to shine in game 7. Truely a team victory.


And ironically, it was because we had LESS superstars that we won. The Celtic big 3 were handicapped by the same presure our big 2 was handicapped by. That left us with one less person obstructed by the weight of the moment, thus, a victory.


Wes

If someone's comments bother you, then ignore them.
JPkb24

should you lead by example??????????????????????

Hobbitmage,


I think we're all half Asian. If you follow DNA markers in each person, the majority of the Earth's population came from inner Mongolia at some point, with the majority of non-Mongolin DNA markers found in and around Africa.


So...uh....go Lakers!


Wes

LakerTom...

I have one criticism of you...

You are only HALF Asian...

J/K...lol

"..slobbering in a corner unable to hold a cup of tea."

Yep... and as traumatic as it was --Sasha going to the line.. Lakers only up by 2 with what --20 seconds left.. maybe barely wringing out the win with everyone contributing is MORE satisfying for Phil as a coach.. I hope so..

Wes Joe,

Actually, from the DNA markers we would all be african. :)

An interesting program on NatGeo showed the cheekbone markers
came from a tribe in the south of Africa I believe. those cheekbones
are what "asians" are famous for.

Along with beautiful eyes, and I'm talkin' about you justanothermambafan.
*chuckle*

I've always liked Luke, even I can't stand his Chower sucking Dad, Bill...

Since the average NBA player's salary is 12 mil per...Luke's salary of 5 mil per, when he signed it was a good contract...

But due to injuries, and the Lakers in Luxury Tax Hell...it doesn't look too good now...

I like the idea of Luke going to the FO, or being an assistant coach...If he can't play again this year, no team will want to absorb that salary...So Luke needs to defer to those roles I mention, and we can defer his salary also...

As usual I will keep positive and hope for the best...I will keep the Faith...

"...FAITH IS THE SUBSTANCE OF THINGS HOPED FOR, AND, THE EVIDENCE OF THINGS NOT SEEN!!!

WE INTERRUPT MAMBA24'S VACATION FOR THE FOLLOWING MESSAGE:
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Just checking in to say: Laker Nation, Can't we all just enjoy this championship a few more days? Please! Thank you!
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WE NOW RETURN YOU TO YOUR POSTS. THIS HAS BEEN A MESSAGE FROM THAT WELL KNOWN DRAMA PUNK MAMBA24, WHO AS ALWAYS CUTS & RUNS

What a disappointing way to start the day. Uruguay was very fortunate to beat Korea, the team that I thought played better throughout the game.

Now it's up to the US to salvage the day.

LTLF

u have a great talent of defending scrubs. some of your favorite ones r Luke and Farmy.

yes, in 2008/09 Luke started well, but his great 3 point shooting lasted only in NOVEMBER. soon after he cost the Lakers at least 3 games. remember the famous one when he did not know that there r 8 sec? and so on …

your argument that he was the 3rd best player on the team is MUTE because there were only SCRUBS on the team. any mediocre player that was playing better could have been the 3rd best player on that TEAM.

Ariza replaced him and we know the rest

this year he did nothing. even when he played. actually i forgot. in the famous game in Toronto, he was inserted to inbound the ball to Kobe for the last shot. and he DELIVERED A BAD PASS, so kobe had to shot a long, unbalanced 3.

in the Finals, against the C's, when he entered, he looked TOTALLY INADEQUATE. the C's defense took him by surprise, the team formation was not correct and LUKE was lost. or maybe he was lost JUST because of pressure.

the game in the league is becoming faster and faster and Luke is becoming slower and slower. so there r no stats that can support any of your arguments.

for Luke and for FISHER, the TRIANGLE is the big SALVATION. they don't fit on any other team and offense. and nobody cares about the so called smarts. see Fisher with the warriors, where he was booed and later with utah where he was a bench warmer.

and he always fails under pressure!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!. buy the way, we r playing for championships. it is not anymore the SMUSHCALADE CUP.

if Luke will be on any other roster he will never play a minute in his whole career. and if his name is not Walton all the press and commentators will laugh at him.

for the past 2 years he gave almost NOTHING. how is that as a statistic??????
INTANGIBLES. (actually last season, he was gracious to concede his starting position)

so the best position for Luke is to be an extension of the clipboard. (but if it is no TRIANGLE, he will fail even at that.
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and it's funny when people mention how some players do not improve over the SUMMER. nobody ever mentions Luke. please tell us WHAT aspects of his game Luke did improve in the past 5-6 years. left hand, layups, dunks, shooting, dribbling, fast breaks???????????

the "sweet" myth of HIGH BB IQ. the GLUE?????????? every time he entered these playoffs, the team lost the advantage.

nothing. nada. zilch

he is OBSOLETE. and DISPOSABLE. please frame his stats and put them in your personal BB Pantheon. and also save Farmy's too. it will become expensive on e-bay. soon.

I THOUGHT I heard someone shaking their head out there somewhere..

...oh, so now it's a "vacation"?

BallHog,

you wrote: Even to Ron's own admission that Kobe never passes me the ball, Paum Bynum , Dfish, Brown, Faramar all of them after each loss would say one thing, "we need to move the ball and start our offense with our bigs"

my response: I hesitate to respond, because you are a troll. I'll throw you
these fish and then continue ignoring you.

1. You'd actually believe the word of a man who admitted to drinking Henessey
during half time and was kicked out of the league for ~ 70 games? No, I don't
mean that he's a liar. I mean that his thinking pattern is broken. It can be
clearly seen by some of his comments to reporters during the playoffs where
he was unclear where he was or what happened.

2. You're going to take the words of players who admitted to not playing
hard for the full season? i.e. we're coasting. we're lackadaisical. we obviously
need to play harder when Kobe's not playing.

3. Kobe has the highest assist total on the team at 5.0 per game. To give
you another comparison:
http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/j/jordami01.html

If you bother to read you'll note: 92/93 - 97/98 Jordan's assist per game
decreased from 5.5 assists to 3.5 assists.

4. You're going to ignore the words of Phil Jackson: "Ron, don't shoot."
or "Ron, there's a reason why we left you open last year"

I know. None of that means anything to you because you're a troll and all
you have to do is hate on the best basketball player in the world.

Have a bad day.

this was written: I also wonder what if LBJ had this team?

my response: obviously, they would have lost.

See Eastern Conference semi-finals where LBJ, with the best record in the
NBA was beaten by the Celtics in 6.

LTLF...

Don not dissuade...Keep on keeping on!!!

LTLF...

Don not dissuade...Keep on keeping on!!!

Noah,


One of the great redemptive moments in Sports. Remember, last yer Sasha was 0-whatever in the finals. He didn't put a single point thru the bucket. Then, with so much on the line, he wins it for us. Big, big shot. Remember, D Howard missed 2 similar shots in Orlando in last year's finals that allowed DFish to tie/win it.


Wes

MM...

Can we please get an edit and delete buttons...

Pops in.... looks around... comtemplates discussing Socks, Bosh, Phil.... Happily decides to log off and watch game 7 of the finals again with the sound down and Nirvana at Glastonbury playing pretty loud in the background :) I feel like a pimply faced geek that just scored with the homecoming queen !!! I keep checking the mail waiting for my Nike Black Mamba 5 rings tee !!!!! Life is so much funner when you embrace your inner dork....

Hobbit,


Right. the majority of us came from Africa, but really multiplied in Mongolia. If Africa was the egg, Mongolia was the womb. It was a small band of "people" that left Africa for Mongolia, but masses of people who populated the globe from Mongolia.


But, it's a BEAUTIFUL story, that we're all African/Asian. All of us. I like to think of it as painting a Chevy, or doing some body work. The inside is still--and always--a Chevy despite the changes we best recognize.


Wes

Did I lose a post or are they being checked 1st?


Wes

@NOAH, COMPLEX_BROTHA,
Actually It's the Virtual HONEYMOON Justa and I never had. And that's all the info you get. Got to go now my blushing Virtual honeymooning bride is calling.

Wes.. so redemptive --and so Sasha-- who, looking genuinely unfazed, managed to do his hair and eyebrows before splashing both freethrows...

"blushing Virtual honeymooning bride" sounds like a website...

Lewstrs......... Love your awesome poem!!!As Mamba24 says"OUTSTANDING!!!!!!!!!!

blushing Virtual honeymooning bride" sounds like a website...
Posted by: Noah | June 26, 2010 at 10:46 AM
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ROFLMAO! By the way Justa is still waiting for that IPAD! You are just lucky I am able to divert her mind with other entertainment. Now I must be off. I have to keep my Virtual bride happy! Lol! She'd kill me if she knew I had snuck on the Blog. lol!
Mamba24(larrY)
p.s. one word IPAD!

...and you were supposed to be on some kind of spiritual quest..
speaking of which, I told Justa -and you can remind her-- if she's not virtually exhausted --that I did my part.. it's up to Him now regarding the ipad..
but ask wisely --the guys posting as "God" and All that is" aren't sounding legit recently..

...and you were supposed to be on some kind of spiritual quest..
speaking of which, I told Justa -and you can remind her-- if she's not virtually exhausted --that I did my part.. it's up to Him now regarding the ipad..
but ask wisely --the guys posting as "God" and All that is" aren't sounding legit recently..Posted by: Noah | June 26, 2010 at 11:09 AM
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Noah my spiritual quest is ended, I found my Nirvana. It is...Justa! lol! I never had to leave it was right here all the time. As for these fake deity imposters, I wouldn't listen to them. Finally Justa is virtually inexhaustible, I am the one exhausted. Oh well duty calls.
Mamba24(larrY h.)

@ Mamba & Justa

Well Geesh !!!! The ONLY thing better than a "virtual honeymoon" is a "winning virtual mega millions jackpot ticket worth 200million" LMAO Hopefully you guys are having REAL fun and Larry, remind Justa that Khloe isnt the ONLY female allowed to buy her man a Luxury Vehicle !!!!!! ( runs away very fast because I hear Hurricane Justa brewing in the backdrop ) Buwahahahahahahahaha

Well Geesh !!!! The ONLY thing better than a "virtual honeymoon" is a "winning virtual mega millions jackpot ticket worth 200million" LMAO Hopefully you guys are having REAL fun and Larry, remind Justa that Khloe isnt the ONLY female allowed to buy her man a Luxury Vehicle !!!!!! ( runs away very fast because I hear Hurricane Justa brewing in the backdrop ) Buwahahahahahahahaha
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Complex, to me Justa is better than any 200 million dollar lottery ticket...Virtual or otherwise. As for that car....
Mamba24(larrY H.)

I see anyone who calls out one glaring weakness is considered a troll? hmmm

 
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