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Whatever the aditions/substractions are they need to take care of the team chemistry. Is palpable through the video that they are very happy together, even the ones who doesnt play so often are important part of the team. That's why we can't think to bring back the big cancer.

Kobe isn't wise yet. He is mature, but not wise, because he only listens to Fisher. You can learn from very improbable sources, you can only be able to hear what is useful. We can't bring a strong personality to the team, because it will clash with Kobe's. We need humble personalities to add to the group. Like Ron who took a paycut and said that he will do whatever the team needed from him, which was entirely true in the end.

Unlike the Shaq era, this team, the whole team seems to really enjoy each other.

And that Mbenga guy is one scary dude. A little more confidence from him on the court and he could really give us some quality back up minutes.

Congrats to Lakers.

Stand by all my posts about D. Fish being the media enabled weak link.

Who is more important for next year D. Fish or Shannon Brown (Farmar is gone)?

Lakers would be MUCH better starting Brown or Sasha.

Fisher is a defensive liability.

D. Fish infatuation is annoying and it dismisses facts.

Fisher can't guard anybody.
Flopping, flailing, wailing, whining does not suppress superior speed and athleticism (i.e. westbrook, rondo, williams, nate robinson, etc..)

Fisher makes plays, but he gives up more.

Given the opportunity Brown or Sasha would be better defensively, and
more consistent offensively. Sasha showed he is up to the challenge.

Lakers should get younger NOT older.
Give D. Fish a microphone.

Bye Bye Fish the player .... yeah!

Welcome Fish the broadcaster ...


Trading Drew for Bosh is Flat Out Stupid!!!

Trading Drew for Dwight Howard is Still Not Such a Great Idea. Before you go trashing me, let's take a look at skillset:

OFFENSE:
Howard: Dunker, Limited Post Moves
Drew: Dunker, Up & Under, Hook Shot Both Hands, Mid-Range Jumper

ADVANTAGE DREW

DEFENSE:
Howard: Shot Blocker, Rebounder
Drew: Shot Blocker, Rebounder, Slightly Better Passer

ADVANTAGE HOWARD

FREE THROWS:
Howard 50+% Shooter
Drew: 70+% Shooter

ADVANTAGE DREW

HEALTH:

ADVANTAGE HOWARD (SO FAR)

CONCLUSION:

Yes, Howard is a Beast, but we're talking team concept. Drew has greater offensive skills than Howard. On Defense, putting Pau in the Mix at Power Forward evens out the Howard defensive advantage.

Drew still has tremendous defensive upside. His health is the issue. He and Pau work well together on both sides of the court. It's still a team sport.

Moreover, Drew isn't a liability at the end of the game when he's on the court. No coach in this league will initiate "Hack a Drew", but they will "Hack a Howard".

As for LeBron. We all saw what happened to him after he made it to the Finals in 2007. He hasn't made it past Boston or Orlando. A Center is More Important than LeBron. Ron Artest, hopefully, will be more comfortable in the triangle next season and his D was excellent this season (more to come).

Why would we change the chemistry of this team by moving Drew. Now Pau is playing out of position at center. Lamar is no longer the 6th man.

As for Whaquille, He Didn't Bring A Title to Nash or LeBron. Why would we want his Johnny Drama antics!!! (RHETORICAL QUESTION)
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I would re-sign Derek & Jordan and, like Ron Harper did for Fisher, pass the starter torch to Jordan. More minutes will allow him to shine and Derek will come off the bench and continue to add the spiritual support in addition to his timely shots.

Sasha stepped up with those free throws and Hit Some Timely Shots in Very Limited Minutes (Too Bad He Sprained His Ankle at the Start of the Playoffs--He Seemed to be Regaining His Offensive Form). Give him a chance with more minutes and, if he doesn't rise to the occasion, his expiring contract will be available for the trade deadline.

Adam Morrisson is most probably on the way out. Too bad he didn't take advantage of the opportunity, but that's another contract off the books.

Shannon Brown Should Be Re-Signed. He Has the Ability to Bring Both Offensive & Defensive Energy. Also, He Can Guard the Stronger Point Guards (e.g., Deron Williams).

Have Faith in Mitch Kupchak & Dr. Buss. When this Team Seemed Destined to Lose Kobe and Become a Lottery Team, They Found a Way!!!

And What a Journey it's Become!!!!
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"WE ARE BASKETBALL, WE ARE LAKERS FANS!!!!!"

GO LAKERS!!!!! ONE, TWO, THREE-PEAT!!!!!

BYNUM versus BOSH:

The team just wins a historic repeat, and Laker Tom is right back to his normal routine, insulting those who do not agree with him, and polarizing the Laker fans once again.

We are not comparing Bosh versus Bynum. Personally, I would take a healthy Bynum over Bosh, but the REAL COMPARISON is between a two legged Bosh versus a one legged Bynum. It's seems like a no brainer, doesn't it?

Look at it this way: If your life is on the line for next year's championship, I highly doubt anybody in their right mind would risk their life and gamble that Bynum will be healthy next year. Bosh is a SURE BET. The argument that Bosh couldn't lead his team to the playoffs is silly. Let's not forget that Gasol could not win a single playoff game in twelve tries for Memphis, but after teaming up with Kobe and Phil, and becoming the second option, he is now considered the best PF in the league. Bosh will have a similar transformation if he teams up with Kobe/Pau/Phil and becomes the third option.

And finally, Kobe is a once in a generation type player. The team has to take advantage of his short window of opportunity. Bynum has already WASTED five years of Kobe's prime by being hurt at the most CRUCIAL times. How many more times does Bynum have to get injured before we accept the simple fact that he is injury prone. Injury prone big men get MORE injury prone as they get older. It's a simple fact of the NBA. Bynum himself even admitted he is injury prone, yet LakerTom is so tunnel visioned in his opinions, that he chooses to ignore the words from the very person he tries to defend.

Bosh for an INJURY PRONE Bynum is a no brainer.

*The Crazy from too Much Choice*

The team would be even better next year just remaining as is. More confident, better understanding of the offense, a year of Pau and Andrew coexisting, would all contribute to a dominant year. Too bad that won't be the case.

Job 1, find out if Phil is healthy and willing. After that, it's numbers. The only bargain may turn out to be D Fish. Could give him vet minimum with a player / coach compensation to ease the cap pressure.

Andrew's proven his heart, his skill set and his toughness but he hasn't proven he can play a season. Still, he won't be going anywhere. He and Pau are too much of an advantage to break up as Kobe gets older.

I'm figuring Jordan's people to go for a payday and Mitch will pass. Tough for him to make up his mind with DFish about to get some kind of extension. The Farm's window is closing too. Time for a payday that the Lakers can't afford.

Hard to let Shannon walk. The combo of athleticism / speed is appealing against teams like OKC, although he didn't exactly shine in that series. Keep thinkin' the light bulb will go on and he'll know where he and the ball are supposed to be. Maybe in year 3? You'd think.

Nothin' wrong with a player wanting to get paid for the skills he's spent a lifetime honing. With young players, cities and team loyalty should come second to getting paid in peak earning years. There won't be a second chance.

Hate to see anyone go. DJ seems so cost efficient for someone that knows the offense. Powell could probably get a payday somewhere with that jumper of his and LO isn't coming off the floor anytime soon.

Bummer, just as he's ready to pack, Kobe let's us in on how funny Ammo is. If Luke were a free agent, would Mitch resign for anywhere near his salary?

Lot's of questions. The one certainty? 3 peat!

TODD… I have to disagree with you regarding Sasha and Shannon being viable replacements for Fisher. First of all, Vujacic and Brown are backup shooting guards, not point guards. If anything has become clear during the year, neither of these guys can handle or pass the ball well enough to play the point guard position. Nor has either shown enough savvy or anticipation to play quality defense. Both are prone to bone headed mistakes and neither has shown the proclivity to hit clutch shots.
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Now before you jump all over me, I still think there is a chance that Jordan Farmar will be the Lakers starting point guard next year with Derek Fisher backing him up. As I recall you were always a Jordan Farmar supporter. The reason I say that is that I don’t think there is any way in the world that the Lakers would bring in Steve Blake, Luke Ridnour, or Earl Watson – none of whom impress me or have the upside that Jordan Farmar does. The Lakers have until the end of this month to make a qualifying offer of $2.8M for Jordan Farmar, which I think they will do. Then we have to see what kind of offers he gets from other clubs to see if we can keep him.
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As for Sasha and Shannon, I think Sasha will earn back his first shooting guard off the bench role next year. I also think Shannon will opt out of his contract and move on rather than be third shooting guard off the bench. Brown’s defense has been a disappointment and his offense too dominated by dribbling in circles and launching off balance jumpers. He would be better off with a team like the Suns or Knicks where he can just run and gun full court all day long without having to think much.
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TOM

Based on the results of the season, I don't think they would trade Bynum or not re-sign Phil. Those two question marks have been answered by the results of the Finals.

However, to attack Chris Bosh as a Laker is also unfair and unfounded because there is no way of knowing his effectiveness if he played with the team during the playoffs. Here is the blog, we easily forget of what happened in the past, we always ignores inconsistencies and constant bickering s and problems. It seems that Championship is the final reward and we closed our eyes to realities. It is the fanaticism on individual players and lakerholism that we forget future chemistry of competition. Like for example the PG problem, some people will say we don't need one because it worked without a good PG so just continue doing it. Then the costings, are we aware that we already above the salary cap w/o signing fisher, farmar, morrison, mbenga, powell @ $74K. Laker team is a business that needs to be profitable too. Would Jerry Buss accede to clinging to luxury taxes at all times? Fisher will be re-signed but not at 5M; Shannon Brown will decide his own fate. Lakers need speedy youth, no-name sharp shooters from Euro League, D League, Summer League using the MLE, Bi-A contracts. Any team willing to trade with the Lakers to take Walton and Sasha in exchange of a marquee player that will be heaven sent trade.

I also think Shannon will opt out of his contract and move on rather than be third shooting guard off the bench. Brown’s defense has been a disappointment and his offense too dominated by dribbling in circles and launching off balance jumpers. - LakerTom

I disagree. I think you are promoting Farmar so therefore destroy Shannon. We are back to Start Jordan circa 2006-07. Shannon will decide his own fate with his 2 year Bi-Annual contract. He was effective in slowing down RA, TA and helped in blocking the blind side of the Celtic bigs. Sasha is OK but no one can touch unless there is a trade on hand. Another thing Shannon is a show while Farmar is a boredom player with too many errors.

If you want LakerTom, let us conduct a survey in this blog who they favor more Shannon or Jordan. That is a friendly challenge.

Art - FL Lakers Fan,

you wrote: I am willing to discount the season activity you referred to and just judge him on the playoffs. After all, some smart poster mentioned that quote from Magic (related to the Ron/Ariza debate) that the Lakers don't design their team for the regular season, they design it for the playoffs.

my response: We can agree to disagree. I am not willing to discount the season
activity. The reason why is that it has bitten the Lakers before. i.e. 2003/2004

you wrote this: Drew was a handful for every opponent in every playoff series, even though he was injured.

my response: Perhaps you'll clarify this? If you tell me that Bynum was a
defensive problem because of his height/length .... I'll agree with you.
If you're telling me that Bynum caused matchup problems, I'm going to
disagree with you. *Pau* caused matchup problems with his offense &&
with his length/height on defense.

note: regarding ariza & pierce.
http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/a/arizatr01.html

Trevor averaged 5.6 minutes per game. That does *NOT* support the
idea of Ariza being destroyed by pierce.

you also wrote: You mention December was not a good month for Drew. The season is a long dragged out affair. Even Kobe had his off times, LO comes and goes, Ron had off times, etc.

my response: This had been talked about on the blog before. The issue was
*NOT* that Bynum was having bad games. The issue was *EFFORT*. He
simply wasn't playing. This was detailed ad nauseum. [ sp?] Go back and
check the rebounding numbers. My issue was *pure* effort. Furthermore,
there is no time in this past season where you can say that either Artest or
Kobe weren't giving maximum effort. My issue with Bynum has never been
about *off* games and has always been about character. That is why I
mentioned traveling in Italy vs. training with Kareem. That is why I
mentioned not working out with team USA vs. working out in Atlanta. It has
always been about character.

you wrote: Drew is still so young. A couple of threads ago when some folks were critical of Kobes game 7 you wrote that we should give him a break, he is human after all.
I would say the same for Drew.

my response: Are you purposefully mis-understanding me? Are you
actually comparing the work ethic of Kobe to Bynum? There have been
*TWO* playoff games in Kobe's life where some idiots said Kobe was
trying to make a point. Both of those instances were rebutted by teammates
and coaches this year. It was done earlier, but nobody wanted to listen. They
only wanted to vilify Kobe. Kobe has certainly had bad games where he
didn't shoot the ball well. Kobe has always given 110%. The same cannot be
said of Bynum.

you wrote: As for your comparisons of Drew and Pau stats, are those stats from Pau's first year in the league or first year with the Lakers?
How many games did each of them play for those comparisons?
Finally, you are comparing Drew to what many call the 'best big man in the game'.

my response: Those numbers where Pau's 1st year in the league vs. Bynum's
5th. Pau played more. That's actually not the point. The point is that from
a statistical point of view, Bynum hasn't accomplished anything significantly.
Yet, we're hyping him as if he's the next Kareem. Before we start blowing
smoke out our behinds, can we wait for him to have good games against good
players. Let me give you a comparison:

You mentioned that I'm comparing Pau vs. one of the best bigs in the NBA.
[ yes, that was a paraphrase. ] The reason that I'm making the comparison is
because We actually have numbers to do the comparison.

Go back 2 years. We can see that Pau averaged ~ 15/8 against KG & the
physical defense of the Celtics. Those were good games against great players.
So. What good game vs. a great player has Bynum actually had? His best
games came against teams that had no true C or didn't play defense. Where
is the 15/10 game(s) against KG, Duncan, Shaq, etc. ?

btw, if we had lost this matchup ... Pau would have worn the label soft for the
rest of his life. We can talk about Pau, because he has put in the work! We
have real games vs. real centers where we can see how good he really is. We
don't have that for Bynum.

you wrote: "Perhaps a better way to phrase it is: If we're going to spend 5 years grooming
a center, who still isn't ready... "

Perhaps I should have asked what you meant, ready for what?

my response: I like this question. It allows us to be clear.

Is Bynum *willing* to check his ego for a championship? We don't know
that. We hope so.

Has Bynum learned the importance of playing defense? We don't know
that. We hope so.

Has Bynum learned to give 100% effort in each game? We don't know that.
We hope so.

We do know that Bosh is more skilled & more athletic than Bynum. We do
know that Bynum is bigger than Bosh. If Bynum hasn't learned the above
things, then the Bosh for Bynum trade makes much more sense. We do know
that Bynum has more severe injuries than Bosh. We do know that Bynum is
physically configured wrong for long term play in the NBA. [ hips & knees ]
Bosh doesn't have these problems.

finally, you wrote: Maybe they do, but maybe it's a trade of LO + someone if more dollars needed to make it work.

I will be shocked, shocked I say, if the Lakers trade Bynum, not becaues I like Drew, but because I think Drew was a pet project of jr. Buss.

Also, who would Pau prefer to pay with, Bosh or Drew?
That might carry some weight.

my response: The Lakers will *NOT* trade Odom. Why?

1st. We won.
2nd. Phil lobbied for his signing.
3rd. He's a matchup problem coming off the bench.
4th. He's friends with Artest.
5th. He was contrite after his egregious screw up.
6th. We wouldn't sign Bosh to sit on the bench.

I had said earlier before the playoffs, if we win Bynum is safe. Bynum *IS*
a project of Jim Buss. We did win. The *only* reason why Bynum might be
traded is because of his being injury prone. Note: the LAT article is talking
about getting a veteran big man. i.e. They're aware of Bynum being
injury prone.

to KB Blitz you wrote: Actually I can't recall reading posts from anyone who claims that Bynum is the teams franchise player or that Bynum is the #1 option on this team or that he rules the offense or the defense. Maybe I missed those posts.

my response: You missed those posts. LakerTom was the prime mover of
these. There were also Bynum bandwagonners who chimed in. I believe
Staples24 was one, but I am unsure. Consider this: If we had never had
"Bynum is a Beast" articles [ just kidding ] would either KB Blitz or I have
made an issue of it?


To be clear about this matter: Bynum vs. Bosh is *still* a realistic trade.

1. Bynum is Bigger.
2. Bosh is more athletic.
3. They are w/in 3 years of each other.
4. Bosh is better offensively.
5. Bosh hustles more.
6. Bynum is more intimidating on defense.
7. Bosh is a better rebounder.

hey faker fans, anyone who watched this whole series knows the fakers shouldnt of made it past five or six games,this series was handed to the fakers on a silver platter by stern and the refs, the fakers out shot the celts 3 to 1 from the line in the series, what a joke.. this championship will have an asterik just like the other ones after 2000 and on will..donahey said they all were influenced by him and the other refs at the time

"Bynum has already WASTED five years of Kobe's prime by being hurt at the most CRUCIAL times."

Hurt? 5 years? Bynum barely played his rookie year though his sophomore year was a BUM who got replaced by a hobbled Kwamay Brown because Bynum played with little effort. 07-08 is probably the ONLY year that you could say that but otherwise 08-09 and 09-10 the Lakers won the championship so it's not a waste the correct meaning would be the Lakers won IN SPITE of Bynum's injuries.

Marc B,

"Drew has greater offensive skills than Howard."

So? Does that also mean Bynum is better than Shaq though Shaq had limited offensive moves compared to Bynum?

"Drew still has tremendous defensive upside."

Not as much as Howard. Good defender yes better than Powell maybe and when he's on actually very good though don't mistake him for DPOY candidate.

"Now Pau is playing out of position at center. Lamar is no longer the 6th man."

Why is that? Pau at Center, Bosh at PF, LO at 6th man. Bosh goes to Center when LO is in the game. Who can't Bosh cannot handle aside from Howard maybe? Boozer? Stoudemire? Oh wait according to whoever they are PF's too so it's a moot point....and Perkins? Hmmm didn't Pau also play well against Perkins in Game 1 and had a 21 points in Boston playing mostly center so hmm.

"Moreover, Drew isn't a liability at the end of the game when he's on the court. "

Explain why Pau-LO are at the end of games though.

"A Center is More Important than LeBron"

Bynum over Bryant then also?

" Andrew's FAR superior footwork and free throw shooting--two things that virtually no big man comes into the NBA with"

Wow what a major diss towards Pau Gasol.

"Trading Bynum for Bosh would leave the Lakers with two power forwards starting together."

Hmm the 2007 San Antonio Spurs seemed to have 2 Starting Power Forwards (Duncan and Oberto). The 09 Lakers squad had Gasol play center 40 minutes and Odom play PF for 35+min in the playoffs and especially finals and Gasol went again HOWARD. So if Gasol went against DPOY who else does he have to go against to prove he's a capable post player even at center? Oh Shaq but Bynum was wrecked in foul trouble TWICE against a 37 year old Shaq now wasn't he?

"What the Lakers have in Bynum and Gasol is something that no team in recent memory (and perhaps no team ever) has had: two legitimate seven footers, playing together, both at an all star level. "

Somebody forgot David Robinson and Tim Duncan though you could also offer up Ralph Sampson and Hakeem Olajuwon. Oh wait Hakeem was a PF who DOMINATED every center in the 90's whether it was Ewing, Robinson (whom he just embarrassed), and a Shaq who averaged 30ppg! So saying PF's can't dominate centers is another moot point. Oh wait Perkins.....well did that stop Pau from averaging 18.5ppg? He had worst game against Rasheed not Perkins!

Next post is my response to you Art Fl Laker fan. Though I have to admit finding loops holes in the arguments sure is fun.

"United We Stand and Divided We Fall ( in love with Laker players)"

Well, we are still in the parade. Why don't we enjoy and celebrate first the achievement of the season before acting as BIASED GM.

I can't believe people are STILL talking about the Drew-Bosh trade. Gee, please stop. This is the most non-sense in the world.
First, I don't see Bosh as a typical center and he's not. He's like Gasol, PF that can play in the paint, if necessary. Same with Amare...These guys are VERY different than Bynum. Drew is one of a few real old-style centers. Howard, Yao, Perkins, Camby...who else? Can't remember anybody else. Even if there's a tendency on NBA now to not having these big guys anymore (lots of teams don't have a typical center, instead they have 2 big PF, we can play like that too with Pau + Odom), we cannot deny that having one of these rare specimen, gives the possibility to change the game whenever we want. Drew is an asset. I'm frustrated with him, but we must keep this asset. Period.
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Regarding the PG position, well...First, I don't believe Jerry Buss will play cheap at all; he will spend every single penny, up to the cap, like he always does. The trade scenario is a puzzle, we cannot just grab whoever we want. Jordan and DJ will flourish as great starters in somee other team, sad to say, but better for them. Powell and Ammo, I really don't know; they're not doing anything there. Josh is Kobe's pet; as much as I admire their relationship, he must go too. WE NEED SPACE ON THE SALARY CAP.
Ok, assuming we'll get teams that are interested on Jordan, Ammo, DJ and Powell, let's shop for a PG, but we still need a backup for Drew (just a big body), in case DJ Mbenga signs out. Marcus Camby for a 1-year contract? Why not? Cheap and still can do a good job for now.
For PG, we need a guy like Nate Robinson, Chris Paul, Wade or Rose. Those guys can wear the purple & gold jersey, the rest is the rest. They're all too expensive, but Nate. Should we go for Nate? Can he play for $5 or $6 millions? Fisher is "awesome", but we another PG that can be called a "starter", even he's not starting.
My 2 cents...I'm waiting for the trading season, I want Wade, can't stop dreaming about that, but I know is not feasible. He's a Lakers, I can feel it. He will land here eventually.
Cheers.

LAKER TRUTH… “The team just wins a historic repeat, and Laker Tom is right back to his normal routine, insulting those who do not agree with him, and polarizing the Laker fans once again.”
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LOL. Just whom did I insult? It’s comments like yours that are designed to do nothing than insult another blogger that are divisive. You are entitled to your opinion and I am entitled to mine. Why can’t you just leave it at that. If you think the Lakers are going to trade Drew, no problem. State your opinion and your reasons without having to insult me in the process. Frankly, I don’t think you will find many Lakers fans who agree with you for the reasons that I have stated before. Let’s just keep it friendly and see which opinion the Lakers front office agrees with. Theirs is the opinion that counts.
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Right, I second that Edwin Gueco (BTW are you going to the parade? Email me!).

We have plenty of time to discuss this player or that player...it's going to definitely be a crazy off-season and we will (like at all times) be in the trenches. But for now, just enjoy this moment, this season.

We are the 2 time champs, how often can we say that? More often obviously than most team, we are the 16 championship Los Angeles Lakers afterall but it doesn't mean we should let the moment pass us by.

Savor the moment. We are the champs and in the immortal words of Nina Simone: And I'm Feeling Good...

This is the nature of the blog - arguments, debates, ego tripping or individual insults.

During the Finals, it was the Celtic trolls and Laker fans.

After the Championship, it is between lakerholics vs. fairweathers; Bynumism vs Boshism; Fisher vs. Farmar vs. Brown.

Can we just hold on to our favorites until June 26th on Draft Day or July 1st F/A Day?

Oh no I forgot this is the Lakers Blog, there has to be an issue to quarrel.

Now on to you Florida Laker Fan,

"You said Bynum 'guaranteed' a win against the Celts, I missed that, would like to see where he said that."

http://sports.espn.go.com/los-angeles/nba/news/story?id=5294446

[Asked if he was offering a "guarantee," Bynum smiled playfully, but nonetheless went out on a limb. "We're guaranteed to win."]

"I didn't claim Bynum was the franchise player, we all know Kobe is first, Pau is second."

No you misread. The people who think Bynum is the franchise player or to clarify even more...those who believe big man wise Bynum should be over Pau Gasol because Gasol can't handle big man stuff because of this and that. Bynum has an important role on this squad and he has had his up and downs. But then again he is being paid to become a franchise player (He's being paid very similarly to Carmelo/Lebron (before his new contract)/Wade etc. If you want to be paid big time PLAY LIKE IT. You don't have to be filling up points (especially considering who the other better are though Laker Tom puts Bynum over Gasol in a hearbeat) but make an impact that is worthy of the salary. People always say Bosh isn't a franchise player well...is Bynum is then? Can he LEAD a lottery team like Toronto into the playoffs? People keep saying Bynum>>Bosh simply because of Bosh's failures in Toronto but don't even think about Bynum success/struggles should have have Bosh's team instead!

Right now, would you really trade Drew for Bosh or any other center that's a realistic trade?.

For Bosh maybe. I wouldn't mind if we did but I wouldn't lose sleep either if we didn't. For Howard: IN A HEARTBEAT. As for other big men (Stoudemire/Boozer) I wouldn't mind if we got several pieces especially ones that could improve the bench AND be a good PF's that makes Lamar remain the 6th man. Heck there are bloggers who say they wouldn't accept a Lebron for Bynum trade....does that mean if Kobe was playing elsewhere they wouldn't accept a trade?

"That's actually my point, he is learning."

We are trying to win titles and make use of Kobe's best years. Not to develop Bynum. No I'm not saying you are saying to sacrifice Kobe to develop Bynum. The point is these are Kobe's years another once in a lifetime player who is already better than Shaq and Tim Duncan (1st Ballot Hall of Famers), is already in the Top 7/8 of all time greats (Hakeem/Bryant/Magic/Bird) and it seems everyone else knowing that save for Bynum since he continues to have a big mouth while riding Kobe and Pau for his two rings and continue being injured (this time it wasn't a freak accident).

KB Blitz, Art Florida Laker Fan,

Can we have a cease fire? We just won the Championship. ENJOY the weekend.

new orleans is willing to give up collison if someone picks up one of their contracts. i say we trade the machine as well as farmars qualifying offer for collison and posey. this is the best trade scenerio withouth having to spend mle.

The thoughts of Jerry West:

http://www.hoopsworld.com/Story.asp?story_id=16520

On his comments about Kobe being the greatest Laker ever:
"I don't pay any attention to that and I will be really candid with you. I never even once said that I would even belong in that conversation because I don't believe I am. Kobe Bryant is greatest Laker player to ever play. Period. I love Magic Johnson and his contribution but Magic Johnson had a lot more help to be honest with you. He played with sometimes five All-Stars and Kobe Bryant is just a different talent. He will go down as one of the two or three greatest players of all time I think. In his ability to do things that other people can't do, his ability to win games late in the game, and his defensive ability. He has the all around game and when you look at him, you don't see what's inside. I think that's what really sets the great ones apart. I think he's the greatest Laker player of all time. He's certainly the greatest Laker talent we've ever had."

On what he would change about LA if he was in charge:
"I think they do need some changes. If you look, they have some free agents that are coming up but the thing that would most concern me is I think they need someone else other than Kobe Bryant getting in the lane. They don't seem to have that right now. When you look at their team, I just don't see anyone being able to compete with them. To me they'll be bigger favorites next year because you feel like they're going to have a healthier year in terms of Bynum being healthy even though he's going to have knee surgery everybody says. I think this is his 3rd or 4th knee surgery which for a young kid is not a good sign for a young kid. They're an awfully talented team. I think the biggest question is what's Phil Jackson's status going to be? Since he's been here they have played extremely well and obviously you don't want to lose one of those people who's helped contribute to this team."

LakerTom,

Did you read: http://www.latimes.com/sports/la-sp-lakers-whats-next-20100619,0,4088566.story

That's true, let's enjoy the CHAMPIONSHIP WEEKEND!!!!!

Laker Tom,

Calling people (who think Bosh is a safer bet over an injury prone Bynum) "idiots" is NOT a friendly conversation in my book. Go ahead and talk about Bynum all you want, but you have a nasty habit of insulting anyone who does not agree with you, especially when it is Bynum related. I find this odd, considering how many times you've been wrong about Bynum over the years. Keep it civil, and I will always respond in kind.

peace

BTW, Yesterday was an awesome day. I had "that" feeling all day long (you know what I mean), plenitude.
What a ring can do...amazing!
Cheers.

Peace to all. Switch topics

Can we set a rendezvous point where we can have a coffee break with Laker bloggers? How about at the Starbucks near the parade route? Paste your blog name on your shirt, how about the idea? Any suggestions.

Here is the parade route, it starts at Staples Center and ends at USC near Jefferson St. where the program will be held.

I have to agree with the great Jerry West. I've long maintained that we need someone other than Kobe would could create his own shot from the perimeter. That's one of the reasons I've wanted LBJ here in LA playing alongside Kobe.

Hey Pau--win one more for Kobe and you'll equal the number that "Most Dominant Ever" Shaq brought to LA. Just some motivation for next season (as if you need any).

KB Blitz, Art Florida Laker Fan,

Can we have a cease fire? We just won the Championship. ENJOY the weekend.
Posted by: Edwin Gueco | June 19, 2010 at 02:53 PM
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Hey Edwin,

It's just a conversation, that's all.

This IS enjoying the weekend.

I see nothing wrong with these ongoing armchair coach/GM discussions for anyone who wants to do so.

We are enjoying the championship, I watched the 4th quarter of game 7 this afternoon, was awesome again.

I don't have any hard feelings towards KB Blitz or hobbitmage.

I respect others opinions as long as it doesn't get into personal attacks, name calling etc.

And I don't claim to be a know it all, I have learned a lot of stuff from others this past year and if someone can present a strong enough argument to change my opinion then good for them.

It's all in fun, it's all good.

Hey Art, there is nothing wrong about the conversation. With Kblitz and Hobbit once you start a conversation, it does not end with few posts. I'm sure you want to add another dimension to it.

However, it kills harmony among us trying to relish the sacrifices we have had all year and in 2008. We just won the Championship. Can we skip any praise or criticism among our players pitting them to one to another?

Here is what Kobe said against a reporter who commented about possible tie-up of Lebron and D'Wade with one team: "What is with you, do you want to drain me?"

Of course, you are there in Florida no chance to attend the parade tomorrow. We are here in LA celebrating our winnings while reading the same blog arguing on our loot, can we all get along for one weekend and defer the topic up to June 26th?

Is it too much to suppress freedom to speak whatever you like?

Bynum for Bosh???

Lebron and Kobe on the same team!!????

Hopefully Ron will give out the number of his psychiatrist so you guys can learn how to relax and enjoy OUR BACK TO BACK CHAMPIONSHIPS!

GINO… Interesting comment about Darren Collison. He is the point guard that I think would be perfect for the Lakers. He has great speed, is an outstanding 3-point shooter, and can play 1-on-1 defense like an NFL cornerback. The only problem is that the Hornets want to use him to also get rid of one of their bad contracts, something the luxury tax hindered Lakers are not going to do.
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Even though I would not want to trade any of our core players for a point guard, I have to say that I would have to seriously consider trading Lamar Odom for Darren Collison and David West were the Hornets willing. They seem intent, however, on using Collison to get rid of Okafor’s huge contract
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LAKER TRUTH.. If I called you or any other blogger an idiot in the last few days, please show me where and I will apologize. You have your right to your opinion regardless of what I or anybody else thinks. While I may disagree with your comments or even think them stupid or idiotic, that sure does not mean that I consider you to be stupid or idiotic. For a fact, I think you know your stuff but for some reason have a hard on when it comes to my posts. My apologies if I have offended you.
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We all – myself included – say and think stupid things at certain times. The only bloggers I would ever characterize as stupid would be a guy like Ricky, whom I am sure is not over 13 years of age and should not be allowed to post. Of course, none of the civility in question counts when it comes to trolls, especially the slimy green ones. As for Lakers fans, I have nothing but love. Peace. :-)
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TOM

first of all congrats to the OUR LAKERS.. and all fellow bloggers.. thanks for another great year.. great memories. what an unbelievable ride... i thought last year was the best championship ever.. i take it back.. i dont think anything can ever top beating the celts in game 7 in a dramatic COMEBACK victory... NEVER! WOWSERS!!

i still cant believe we won.. pure ectacsy.. LAKERS B2B and START OF A DYNASTY... kobe still has at least another peak year left and all major pieces are coming back better than ever.

as for the competition.. who else will contend with us next year?? lakers are already the odds on favorite for the next 2-3 years unless lebron bosh and dwade all sign with the knicks.. HAHA.. no way celts will pay allen 15MIL a year again... orlando is locked with vinces ginormous choking contract... cavs are done forever.. nash is going on 5o and duncan is no longer the best player on his team...

as for lakers offseason moves... my thoughts:

-- PG.. MUST BE OFFSEASON PRIORITY NUMBER 1.... i dont care if starter or bench material.. doesnt need to be playmaking type but must come with good defense and an outside shot.. for those of you who think farmar is returning forget about it.. he really needs to for his own career move on to greener pastures and no way he plays another year under PHIL.. that is if he has any ambitions for himself.. as for whether he'll have success.. yes because a PG will never flourish under the triangle but no he will never be starter material anywhere else.

-- BYNUM for BOSH... something tells me the lakers are really gonna pull the trigger on this one this offseason... bynum still has unlimited upside and if bynum was healthy this trade makes no sense for lakers.. hes a rare natural center and pau is much better suited at the 4.. SO WHY?? INJURIES THAT IS WHY!!! for that kind of money for that track record that is still too much injury risk... last 3 years hes played 35, 50 and 65 games and has played every postseason injured... hes just another tweaked knee from a possible career threatening injury.. bosh is a highly skilled and polished ALL-STAR already.. physical toughminded and no slouch defensively.. also a very high IQ player who would probably be a seamless fit in the triangle.. if you ask me i say pull the trigger and if lakers are given that chance this offseason i say the will pull that trigger!!

sorry i'd prefer to get all the celebrating out of my system or at least till after the parade is over first before discussing any trades but since most of you are already on the subject just thought i'd chime in...

GO LAKERS PARADE!!

Here is my take on next season. As far as trading Drew, well, I don't think LA would now. I think they will go one more year and see. However, if LBJ wanted join the Lakers, I'm sure they would move Drew and perhaps Lamar. Not sure D-Wade would be a good fit, but Deron Williams would be. As far as Bosh for Drew, well, it would be hard to turn down, but to me it's a flip of a coin. I'm not sure the Lakers need a bruising center. There just aren't many big centers out there now. Howard is mostly finesse. Shaq is too old and Perkins is too slow and offensively challenged. I do think signing Korver would be a good move. I guess we'll see. Oh, gotta keep Fisher, but perhaps as second unit. One more thing, dreaming, if Amare goes, wonder if Suns would trade us Nash to get themselves younger?

asides from all trade talk here's the top 2 REASONS why lakers will 3PEAT:

1. kobe will finally finger surgery(s)
2. kobe will rest in offseason

just more reason for David Stern to implement infinite orders for his Fraudulent, crooked refs to make sure the los garbageles Fakers make it to the finals as many times as possible every decade. Which would explain why this team seems to magically make the finals on a consistent basis while other western teams never can make it past the 1st round in all of their existence. piece of chit league.

If I was every fan of other teams in the nba, including us Celtics fans, stop talking and lets take action for once. boycott attending any games vs the lakers and let them play to an empty arena. Even if you're a die hard for your team, sacrifices have to be made if you ever want any changes in life, the same thing applies here, no different.

you can't tell me you watch that game honestly and not see the vicious CHEATING that took place. Tired or no tired, when Refs are calling wicked chi on you, it affects how you approach and play the game completely on both sides of the ball.

Our Celtics back in 2008 beat these Frauds fair and square with a 39 point beat down. We gave the refs no chance to Cheat because even if they did, they would've been exposed. but in a tie or tight game, they can make everything look like fair play but yesterday's game was as vicious a Cheat as i saw one. 20 free throws in 1 QTR, 37-17 total, while the game was called even for 3 QTR. the 3 QTRs the lakers happened to be trailing throughout and shot 38% from the floor. nothing like having the refs help you get on the board by putting you at the line to tie up a 3-5 point lead and help YOU get a lead.

Fcking pathetic if you ask me. anyone who says any different, you're just STUPID. Why is it that whenever the lakers play, there's always a problem with the Refs, coincidence?

Fck the lakers and their fans, don't congratulate them on chit, they CHEAT teams to Steal titles. Boycott attending lakers game at the garden.

Kobe better heal and rest and play with his kids this summer.

YF,

Yeah, I think perhaps LA would trade Drew for Bosh. It's a tough call, sort of. I would rather grab a CP3 or Deron Williams (I don't think he's very happy at Utah and if Boozer goes, he'll even be less happy there). I still think Korver would be a good try too.

heres more food for thought:

if lakers won the championship with a hobbled bynum imagine how good lakers can be with a healthy bosh

Celtics fans still whining about the refs, per usual. Didn't hear them complaining in '08 when they hacked and smacked their way to the title. Typical myopic green slime.

Bynum isn't going anywhere. Not for Bosch. Trading the matchup advantage you get with having a TRUE center out there, not to mention one with some actual skills, as opposed to two virtually identical finesse power forwards, isn't worth even considering wrecking team chemistry over. The clutch-ness of Bosch is still suspect at this point too.

A young point guard would be great, but again, not necessary in the triangle, and unless you can get a bona fide star PG ala CP3, DWill, or even Derrick Rose, I wouldn't consider letting Andrew go. And I'd take a healthy Bynum as a dominant center over any point guard. If he ever becomes the beast LakerTom envisions, I'd make him the #2 option over Pau. I already think he should be finishing more games than bonehead Lamar, but who am I to argue with the Zen Master?

Now if Andrew can just do whatever it takes - yoga, strength training, HGH, or whatever else will work - to hold it together for an entire season, then we can end this debate once and for all.

skinnerkobe,

Did you catch Kobe and the guys on Jimmy Kimmel?

Pretty cool stuff, they're there because they're the 2010 NBA Champions.

THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS: "Bosh is a SURE BET." The only thing for sure is the leaving of the last breadth, and that is the only SURE BET.


Big fan of Pau Gasol's....classy, respectful, articulate, cultured....the NBA Renaissance man! He comes from a very tight-knit family (know this for a FACT) and you can tell why he's such a great guy.

LAKERS B2B BABY!!

WHY MAGIC IS THE GREATEST LAKERS IN MY HUMBLE OPINION, simply because he touched all our hearts beyond the game of basket ball and continues to do so outside of basket ball. There will be another showtime Lakers.


yellofever, as always, great comment...we seems to see the game the same way!
LAKERS!!!!!
I'm still on the "groove"...yeah....

EDWIN PLEASE MIND YOUR OWN BUSINESS MR NOSY:

Peace to all. Switch topics

Can we set a rendezvous point where we can have a coffee break with Laker bloggers? How about at the Starbucks near the parade route? Paste your blog name on your shirt, how about the idea? Any suggestions.

Here is the parade route, it starts at Staples Center and ends at USC near Jefferson St. where the program will be held.

Posted by: Edwin Gueco

IF KOBE IS THE GREATEST LAKERS THEN SHOULD HIS STATUE BE BIGGER IN SIZE THAN MAGIC'S?

LakerTom,
Okafor and Collison for Odom and Vujacic works in the trade machine, also the West/Collison variable, although the difference is 2.2 mil against NO's salary cap. But i don't think they could be interested.

Edwin,

Yes, I know what you mean about getting into a conversation with hobbitmage.KB, but that's ok. They want to be thorough, nothing wrong with that.

As for the ongoing Bynum debate, quite a few others have chimed in also, so it does have some interest to other bloggers.

I respect your posts Edwin, and your right to say what you want whenever you want.

There have been many days I have had to scroll through many posts I wasn't interested in.
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Hobbitmage,

You wrote:
"Note: regarding ariza & pierce.
http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/a/arizatr01.html

Trevor averaged 5.6 minutes per game. That does *NOT* support the
idea of Ariza being destroyed by pierce.

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FTR, I did not write anything related to that response or about Trevor being destroyed by Pierce. That was someone else.

What I did write was that I agreed with you about your original Ariza comments related to what I just copied from you and posted above.

======

You wrote: "Are you purposefully mis-understanding me?
Are you actually comparing the work ethic of Kobe to Bynum?
=======
No, I only mentioned that they (many players) have down spells over the course of a long season. I didn't say anything about Kobes work ethic nor did I compare Drew to Kobe.

This isn't about Kobe in any way, shape or form.

Are you purposefully mis-understanding me :)

Yes, I remember the debates in Dec/Jan about Drews effort.

And to be honest here, I also commented back then about being disappointed in Drews effort.

But that was then, this is 6 months later. I am not locked into holding onto an opinion forever regardless of changing circumstances.


I wrote: "Also, who would Pau prefer to pay with, Bosh or Drew?
That might carry some weight."

You didn't address this. Of course you have no way of knowing either but I think it's quite relevant.

You wrote: "Consider this: If we had never had
"Bynum is a Beast" articles [ just kidding ] would either KB Blitz or I have
made an issue of it?"

You are obviously referring to Laker Tom.

I think that sometimes when discussing Bynum you respond as if you are responding to points Laker Tom made at some point.

You wrote: "You mentioned that I'm comparing Pau vs. one of the best bigs in the NBA."

That's not correct. I wrote that you were comparing Bynum to one of the best big men in the NBA (Pau).

==============

you wrote: "Perhaps a better way to phrase it is: If we're going to spend 5 years grooming a center, who still isn't ready... "

I wrote: Perhaps I should have asked what you meant, ready for what?

Your response: I like this question. It allows us to be clear.

You followed this up with your own list of questions which you then answered by saying, "we don't know, we hope so".

So I ask again, ready for what?


You wrote: "Yet, we're hyping him as if he's the next Kareem."

Who is hyping him as if he is the next Kareem? You sure aren't and I didn't either.
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Ok, let me be clear with a summary.

I think we are more closely in agreement than you realize. I am not Laker Tom and I mean no offense to LT.

Kobe has nothing to do with the Bynum debate.

I am not claiming Bynum is the next Kareem, Wilt, Shaq or anyone else. Bynum is the next Bynum that's all.

I am not claiming Bynum is the Lakers best player and number 1 option.

I have stated my biggest concern is whether Bynum can stay healthy. This is the key the whole debate.

What I have argued in the past and still believe is that I think Bynum is a very good fit for this Laker team, he doesn't need to match Pau's stats to be effective.

He may not be the best center in the league but he might become that.

Most importantly, he plays a very good role with Pau, Kobe, Ron and LO.
He is an excellent fit here.

They all compliment each other very well. They are all parts of a puzzle that fit together just right to complete the picture.

I don't think Bosh fits into Bynums role as well as Bynum does right now.

Bynum could stay healthy for years and become an all star and I could look like a genius.

Bynum could get injured again and again and I will look dumb for ever suggesting the Lakers keep him.

Que sera sera.

Maybe this has been posted before, but the official Lakers website has a really cool intro mini-movie of the Finals and Game 7.

just more reason for David Stern to implement infinite orders for his Fraudulent, crooked refs to make sure the los garbageles Fakers make it to the finals as many times as possible every decade. Which would explain why this team seems to magically make the finals on a consistent basis while other western teams never can make it past the 1st round in all of their existence. piece of chit league.

If I was every fan of other teams in the nba, including us Celtics fans, stop talking and lets take action for once. boycott attending any games vs the lakers and let them play to an empty arena. Even if you're a die hard for your team, sacrifices have to be made if you ever want any changes in life, the same thing applies here, no different.

you can't tell me you watch that game honestly and not see the vicious CHEATING that took place. Tired or no tired, when Refs are calling wicked chi on you, it affects how you approach and play the game completely on both sides of the ball.

Our Celtics back in 2008 beat these Frauds fair and square with a 39 point beat down. We gave the refs no chance to Cheat because even if they did, they would've been exposed. but in a tie or tight game, they can make everything look like fair play but yesterday's game was as vicious a Cheat as i saw one. 20 free throws in 1 QTR, 37-17 total, while the game was called even for 3 QTR. the 3 QTRs the lakers happened to be trailing throughout and shot 38% from the floor. nothing like having the refs help you get on the board by putting you at the line to tie up a 3-5 point lead and help YOU get a lead.

Fcking pathetic if you ask me. anyone who says any different, you're just STUPID. Why is it that whenever the lakers play, there's always a problem with the Refs, coincidence?

Fck the lakers and their fans, don't congratulate them on chit, they CHEAT teams to Steal titles. Boycott attending lakers game at the garden.

i keep hearing faker fans saying that we won in 2008 because we hacked yous, the funny thing if it wasnt for the refs, we would of swept the fakers in 08..were a bad match up for the fakers and the refs and stern new it..so they had to influence the series..you guys worship a selfish rapist, you should all be ashamed of your selves..

KB Blitz,

What can I say?

Ok, Drew guaranteed a win over the C's, and helped back it up :)

I asked would you trade Bynum for Bosh for any other center that's a realistic possibility.

You said yes, trade him for Howard.

I don't think Howard is not a realistic trade scenario.

You would trade Bynum for Stoudemeir or Boozer.
I wouldn't, but ok then.

I wrote: "That's actually my point, he is learning."

You wrote: We are trying to win titles and make use of Kobe's best years. Not to develop Bynum.

I think we can and must do both.


Many of your other comments weren't directly related to anything I said so I am not going to address them.
You are addressing what other posters have said and responding to them.

That's fine to do, but really, most of your post should not have been addressed to me.

You sorta went off into other things and I just can't quite see the fit of your other comments into what I was saying, so I'll leave it at that.

Edwin,

I am done for the night, it's all yours!

:)

If i were LA's front office i would give Bynum 1 more year to show himself healthy. If not, we all can declare him unable to be healthy forever. But until then, we must wait. Look at Ron, some bloggers here were questioning him because of his health issues (54-55 games in sacto and houston), and he played 77 this year only in the regular season, plus all the playoffs. Nobody here can predict the future, even with statistics, and of course not with the "injury prone" marquee.
2 bad luck injuries an one bothering one, doesn't represent to me a weak body that we can dump yet.

If Bosh is available, we should quickly trade Bynum for him.
One of the biggest problems we have is that none of bigs can consistently shoot outside of 5 feet. Odoom has been in the league for more than 10 years and he still cannot shoot. Boston taught the whole league a lesson on how to play the Lakers. just pack it in. We struggles against Phoenix and OKC for that same reason. If Bosh is available we should get him. Hoping that Bynum can play a whole season is insane.

Aloha,

I know there are several guys hoping for a Bosh for Drew trade out there. But you are dreaming if you think Dr Buss will bring in another max contract, especially at a position that we are solid at. Think about it, around 46 million devoted to 3 bigs. The only way it would happen is if Bosh demanded to come to the Lakers and we could package Luke in the deal. Now we would break even. Of course there would be no money to rebuild the bench, no money to find the point guard of the future and no money to bring in a distance shooter that we desperately need but hey, we have Chris Bosh!! Our lack of balance almost cost us a ring. I just think we have more pressing issues.

MH

To skinnerkobe: pathetic children like you seem to comprise the majority of Celtics fans. You make it easy to root against them; none of you seems to know the meaning of class.

If this had one game, or even a best of 3 series, I would really agree with you that it seemed fixed. But the fouls called were atrocious on both sides, and no fan who wants to be taken seriously can deny that.

It was a best of 7 series, and frankly, your team didn't have enough gas in the tank to complete it. The better team - the Lakers - did.

Deal with it.

Skinnerkobe, I agree with pistonsfan. I'm having the greatest respect for The Celtics and the fighting spirit they've shown throughtout the finals. But they simply ran outta fuel. They got up to the 7th and gave it all, and it wasn't enough to beat Lakers. Refrees had nothing to do here.

Congrats Lakers!

Many of your other comments weren't directly related to anything I said so I am not going to address them.
You are addressing what other posters have said and responding to them.

That's fine to do, but really, most of your post should not have been addressed to me.

You sorta went off into other things and I just can't quite see the fit of your other comments into what I was saying, so I'll leave it at that.

Posted by: Art - FL Laker Fan | June 19, 2010 at 05:12 PM


Ya, blitz does this alot. Art, just let it go.

Art -FL Lakers Fan,

you wrote: You wrote:
"Note: regarding ariza & pierce.
http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/a/arizatr01.html

Trevor averaged 5.6 minutes per game. That does *NOT* support the
idea of Ariza being destroyed by pierce.

=======

FTR, I did not write anything related to that response or about Trevor being destroyed by Pierce. That was someone else.

What I did write was that I agreed with you about your original Ariza comments related to what I just copied from you and posted above.

my response: It was my understanding that you copied another bloggers
post about this. I was responding to that. This addresses our early loop
about Artest & Ariza on the same team and whether or not Artest was
better than Ariza. I believe you had quoted Magic saying that Ariza was
abused by Pearce. [ paraphrase ]

Sorry if I got it mixed up. :)

you also wrote: You wrote: "Are you purposefully mis-understanding me?
Are you actually comparing the work ethic of Kobe to Bynum?
=======
No, I only mentioned that they (many players) have down spells over the course of a long season. I didn't say anything about Kobes work ethic nor did I compare Drew to Kobe.

This isn't about Kobe in any way, shape or form.

my response: So ... to clarify -
Kobe has had bad games, but never due to a lack of effort. Bynum has
had bad months due to a lack of effort. So ... The reason why I give Kobe
slack is not applicable to Bynum because Bynum didn't put in the effort.
We would definately like that to change.

in the same vein you wrote: But that was then, this is 6 months later. I am not locked into holding onto an opinion forever regardless of changing circumstances.

my response: I think this is the issue. Without a change in performance, is
it appropriate to have a change of opinion? A couple of examples to
make the point:

1. Gasol & toughness. Gasol played soft in 2008 & we lost. Gasol played
hard in 2009 & we won. Gasol started off playing soft in 2010. This is
verifiable by the comments of Phil Jackson and the introduction to Oakley.
Gasol played tough in the finals & we won. This tells us that Gasol is capable
of playing soft & playing tough. We *need* him to play tough and we know
he can. Therefore, when he plays soft we can say he's playing soft. We have
a legit comparison.

2. Bynum & defense. We thought Bynum had come to understand the
importance of defense after winning in 2009. We found out we had been
tricked when his summer activities came out & when he stopped playing
defense because he wasn't getting his offensive points.

you also wrote: I wrote: "Also, who would Pau prefer to pay with, Bosh or Drew?
That might carry some weight."

You didn't address this. Of course you have no way of knowing either but I think it's quite relevant.

my response: I have no way of knowing this. I have to believe that Pau
respects Bosh's game and wouldn't mind playing with him. In a similar way,
Kobe loves having D-Fish as a point guard. You *KNOW* that he would
love to play with D-Wade, CP3 or d-Will as his point guard.

you also wrote: You wrote: "Consider this: If we had never had
"Bynum is a Beast" articles [ just kidding ] would either KB Blitz or I have
made an issue of it?"

You are obviously referring to Laker Tom.

I think that sometimes when discussing Bynum you respond as if you are responding to points Laker Tom made at some point.

my response: I am not referring to LakerTom per se ... I am referring to the
actions/writings of LakerTom and what they have caused. W/o the Bynum
is a Beast propaganda ... there would have been far less Bynum threads.
Consider this: *why* would we have spoken about him? He actually wasn't
doing much in comparison to Kobe, Pau, LO, Artest & D-Fish. If we hadn't
responded to LakerTom I doubt that you would have initiated some of the
conversations. I could be wrong ....

you also wrote: You wrote: "You mentioned that I'm comparing Pau vs. one of the best bigs in the NBA."

That's not correct. I wrote that you were comparing Bynum to one of the best big men in the NBA (Pau).

my response: Let's flesh this out a little bit & yes, I do see the issue.

In order for Pau to be one of the best big men in the NBA he has to be
compared to them, right? He's beaten KG & Howard in the finals.
3 years ago, he was not considered to be one of the best in the NBA, yes?
We would all say that he was good. Great? He hadn't won a playoff game.
all right. We have now compared Pau to the best big men in the nba, right?

Comparing Pau to Bynum - if we look at the evolution of Pau, as told by
stats ... we see that Bynum has not reached Pau's 1st year stats. Part of it
is injury. Part of it is skill. Part of it is experience. Part of it is character.
Do you agree with that assessment?

OK. the whole point of this was looking at the Bynum - Bosh trade. Bynum
has not equaled the stats of Gasol as a rookie. From my favorite web site:

C. Bosh. F-C 24 ppg/ 10.4 rebounds per game. 3 out of 4 years he's
averaged close to those numbers.

Bynum C 15/8 this year. 14/8 last year. 13/10 the year before.

Over the last 3 years Bynum average number of blocks has decreased
from 2.1 to 1.4 per game. Bosh has slightly better assists & steals too.

you asked this question: So I ask again, ready for what?

1. Is Bynum ready to be a franchise C? [ answering ready for what ]
2. Ready to play champion level basketball.

Let me put this in context.

The Lakers should be a serious threat to breaking the record of the bulls for
the best record ever. With the talent of the Lakers, they should DOMINATE
the NBA for the next 3 years.

I'm talking about tears of frustration, anger & hopelessness for every team
who's colors are not purple & gold. I'm talking about changing the colors
of the NBA logo to purple & gold type domination!

The capitulation started with Utah. When D-Will said, "They're just a better
team than us. " It was like heaven started to part and I heard the angels
warming up for the Handel's Messiah.

When Alvin Gentry starts coaching his players to not get dis-heartened *WHEN*
Kobe goes off not if Kobe goes off. That is the beginning of despair.

When Steve Nash cried in the locker room ... I felt a *DEEP* sense of
satisfaction. He has two MVP trophies that rightly belong to Kobe.

I'm talking the type of domination that will have the rest of the NBA
drinking Henessey to get their courage up before they play us & Smirinoff
afterwards to drown the pain. I want to hear the *ENTIRE* NBA cheer
when Kobe finally retires because that means that everyone else will finally
get a chance to win again.

THAT, my friend, is the DOMINATION I dream of. We can do it. Now.
NOW! Get that into your soul. Into the very air you breath. We can start
the massacre now! Rip their beating hearts from their chests now!

The only way we can do that is if everyone on the team is committed to the
cause. I question Bynum's commitment. *That* is the ready I speak of.

Are we clear?

you also wrote: You wrote: "Yet, we're hyping him as if he's the next Kareem."

Who is hyping him as if he is the next Kareem? You sure aren't and I didn't either.

my response: There are a number of Bynum fans on this blog. They know
who they are. :) They have hyped him in this fashion.

to your final statements: We agree.

That being said, you do realize that we could/should whip off another 3 in
a row, right? We would be the first team, since the Celtics of the 60's, to
win more than 3 in a row.

Imagine a year where the Lakers lose less than 10 games. Imagine a 16-0
run in the playoffs. It's a possibility for this Lakers team, but only if everyone
gives 110%.

That is my dream for the Lakers. What's yours?

from the latimes:

Jordan was like Rembrandt to Bryant's Picasso and wouldn't have even thought of taking one of those fadeway-jackknifing-legs-for-leverage-hand-in-his-face-no-one-can-make-that-I-don't-believe-it shots Kobe knocks down regularly.

Of course, that's why Michael shot 49.7% for his career and Kobe's at 45.5%.

Before Bryant, I can't remember hearing coaches telling players not to get dismayed when he starts making those incredible shots, one after another, as if in some Layup Line of the Gods.

"I keep telling my guys not to get discouraged, but after a while you have to get discouraged," the Suns' Alvin Gentry said during the Western Conference finals.

"I tell you, you have to laugh, because if you don't laugh, you'll cry."

Said Boston's Doc Rivers in the Finals: "You don't worry about it. I mean, hell, he's Kobe Bryant."

From Doug Collins, who coached the young Jordan in Chicago: "Michael didn't take the same kind of shots Kobe does. You could put me out there all day with a bucket of balls and I couldn't make those shots. For Kobe, it's, what's the problem?

The only way I would consider Bosh for Bynum would be if they threw in a productive point guard and the rights to Rubio. Still I would probably say no.

Remember it was Bosh who told Toronto that he wanted to play for LA, if...they would do a sign and trade. Sign and trades rarely happen because the host team has to agree and not feel like they are getting something bad shoved back at them.

Now bringing Posey and Collison here would be fantastic. They would be absolutely perfect in our system. But who do we have they would want? Luke, Sasha? haha

Hobbit, you surely have the new record for the longest post, congratulations!

Sorry, they don't have Rubio's rights, my mistake.....

I'm waiting for Rambis to sneak us a back door, under the table for him

I had big hopes of going to the Parade and post-parade party with several here but I needed the Lakers to co-operate and take the Celtics down by game 6. I have a fixed event I can not change.

It didn't happen. But.....if any are going to Las Vegas Summer League and want to link up let me know.

We still have plenty of reasons to party and celebrate all summer.

It's green, it crawls in the floor, what is it?
http://tinyurl.com/37lz4la

At some point Dwight Howard is going to be competing for championships. Defense wins championships. Bosh nor Gasol can handle Howard, Bynum can. We have to keep him. Unless we want to foul out all our guys doing a hack-a-Howard.

We just have to baby Bynum's health, limit his minutes. It's cool, he's comfortable with that role.

Go Lakers!

I love this dysfunctional family; we haven't gotten to the parade yet, and were at each other’s throats. Man I mean some serious EGO's, Somebody Please hide the GUN.

Mr. Nano,

that certainly is a dubious distinction. :)

For those who question Kobe's leadership,

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/408537-kobe-or-lebron-which-mvp-award-would-you-rather-have

snippet:
In order to form any comparison you have to first have common points of interest, and the only ones you can find between Bryant and James is their success in the postseason.

Or lack of, because Bryant has dominated the discussion in that category, and his will and desire to succeed is a stark contrast to James' broken attitude after Game Four against Boston.

The Lakers had been humiliated by Boston in Game five of the NBA Finals, but instead of crashing under the pressure of a 3-2 deficit, Bryant inspired his teammates to raise their level of play for the remaining games.

That type of leadership was missing from James during this year's postseason, and even though his talents make his teammates better, he doesn't seem to have the ability to motivate them as well.

Bryant may not be the most genial member on the Lakers' roster, but he has forged a common bond with his teammates based on his passion for the game, and his will to suceed.

He may not be the most loved member of his team, but he is the most respected, and this has created an environment where the other members of the Lakers' want to win in honor of that respect.

His leadership of the team is unquestioned, and that quality is something that Bryant developed and James is not yet comfortable with.

And this was likely a failure of James to understand the urgency of the moment and what taking advantage of the situation would mean to the final evealuation of him as a player.

James' two consecutive MVP awards were based more on his amazing regular season statistics while Bryant's two consecutive Finals' MVP awards is a recognition of the game's greatest player on it's greatest stage.

James' physical talents alone will not elevate him to this place, and he has the past two seasons as evidence that a different approach to the situation is in order.

Bryant has re-claimed the title of the NBA's greatest player, and in reality it is something he never lost, because in terms of the leadership mentality, he has always held an edge over James.

James must make a commitment to becoming a NBA champion, and that starts with his leadership abilities, and it will be the difference from James becoming a truly legendary player or just another great one

Gasol "can't handle" Howard, Rocky? Really?

Tell us, where were you during the 2009 NBA Finals? Mars?

This SkinnerKobe sure thinks this is a Celtics Blog, he keeps posting on here asking people to boycott whenever the Lakers visit. I say go right on ahead, I'd be more than happy to hear MVP chants for Kobe in the Gaaah-Den full of Lakers Fans. I'm telling you, these Celtics fans really need to use their heads and start focusing on how they are going to deal with another 22 years of futility. By the way, next time you teams gives up a 13 point lead heading into go back to the shadows where you belong troll so you can save yourself the embarassment of sounding mentally deficient, oh wait, you are a Celtics Fan, being Mentally Deficient is in your nature. Sorry....

It's funny how James, so inmersed in the enterprise world, doesn't know how to handle the human resources correctly. In that case, why not reading "How to Win Friends and Influence People" that's basic for a businessman like him. Or he can make some of his advisers to read it for him, i don't know.

You know caps goggles, that 13 point lead lost by the Celtics was their version of our 24 pt blown lead in 2008.

They were so close.....in fact many trolls came to the site boasting they had won the series only to disappear into oblivion and never to return.

It was crushing for sure and they will have to live with those feelings for at least another 22 years

Damn maybe Hobbitmage should just name himself Hobbitmage blitz by the amazing blitz he's doing:

To FL Laker fan:

"Ok, Drew guaranteed a win over the C's, and helped back it up :)"

You don't guarantee anything. Had we blown the Celtics out in Game 7 then he would have been correct. It wasn't guaranteed the Lakers would win. They fought tooth and nail and clutch jumpers from Fisher and Artest. Big Baby guaranteed, Steve Nash guaranteed. Both those two are eating crow. Likewise Bynum should join them because it was Kobe/Gasol/Fisher/Artest/Odom who backed it up not Bynum.

You also wrote: "I think we can and must do both."

Developing Bynum is *NOT* the priority. Winning titles are. That's the reason why probably Hobbit lumped you with Laker Tom since while you two don't share the same viewpoint on Bynum (to you he's a great role player while Laker Tom believes he's a franchise player) it must be important to develop Bynum. Into what? The franchise player? In order to really develop you must really get those players involved. They must have responsibilities not stand around in the bench making guarantees and wanting to see who and whatnot. Bynum is simply lying down on a hammock while Kobe and Pau are doing the dirty work. For all the people who unfairly discredit's Kobe's first 3 rings as Shaq's rings......in contrast almost anyone can argue that Bynum's rings are KOBE's rings! Bynum wasn't a factor compared to Kobe Bryant. Why? Because it's Kobe's and Pau's team! That's what the other Bynum tards don't want: They want Bynum to be the go to guy! They love the alley oops and Kobe spoon feeding Bynum! 60%of Bynum's points comes from help from Kobe and Pau! Imagine what happens when Bynum is forced to create when he doesn't have a top 8 player of all time or the current big man in the game. And to Michael H you can aloha you were in here here's another question: If Bynum goes to Toronto will he instantly become Shaquille O'Neal type player there and terrorize the league with 25-30ppg, 13rpg?

"Many of your other comments weren't directly related to anything I said so I am not going to address them."

Ok lemme put it again: Can you guarantee that Bynum when healthy if he goes to Toronto average 25ppg, 10+rpg, 3apg, 3blks+ per game AND lead his team deep into the playoffs? Because for all the Bynum's fans main argument against Bosh is that Bosh failed in Toronto and while that is true will Bynum will fare any better when his rings are thanks to Kobe and the rest of the Lakers?

Bynum is no slouch that Mike T. tells us he is. That being said Bynum does get overrated quite a bit just because of all the alley oops and dunks. Make him leader of an 82games season then we'll see who is being accused of a ball hog!

And Hobbit I have to correct you again man LOL: You can't say that BOTH Nash's MVP's belong to Kobe. His first MVP was deserving. Kobe in 04-05 had a 32 win record and while you can argue it was his team simply put MVP's should not be given to 32 win teams even if you average 30-10-10 and shoot 90% from the field. If your team isn't winning then you don't deserve it. Same reason why KG after his 03-04 MVP year did not ever regain a chance to win an MVP save for 07-08 season. Nash deserved his first MVP. His second MVP can be called into question but remember: Dwyane Wade, Lebron James, Chauncey Billups, Elton Brand, and Dirk Nowitzki all had legitimate arguments to win an MVP in that year just as much as Nash and Kobe had. If you really wanted to say Kobe was robbed then say the 02-03 season when despite Shaq's "I got hurt on company time, I'll heal on company time" the Lakers managed to break 50 wins largely due to Kobe's efforts.

Hey all!

I'm back in Los Angeles! Cold chillin' in Woodland Hills, yo!

Anyhow, it's great to be home. I washed my feet in the Pacific Ocean today. What a wonderful experience.

It's a shame I won't be able to make the parade, as it will be my first game at work, but I will be there in spirit.

I've been in travel the last few days. Have any of the trolls apologized? I'd like to know. If anyone would update me, I'd appreciate it.

I know everyone is jumping to the offseason. Let's just savor this moment for now.

What do we play for? RINGS!!!

Lakers Today... Lakers Tomorrow... Lakers Forever.

GO LAKERS!!!!

PLEASE ALLOW ME TO INTRODUCE "Hadarii Jones" the ultimate authority on Kobe vs LBJ debate...drrrrink Kobe coolaid........

hahahahahahahahaha......

Glad to have you out of the mistake by the lake Jon K. (though kinda bummed since we don't have news about Queen James, or the rest of his jesters)

That being said Jon K.:

Clippers Suck today...Clippers suck tomorrow....Clippers will suck forever!

Sorry but those stupid commercials about Blake Griffin during the finals was annoying as hell!

Pau Gasol - a great player and an intelligent gentleman. Class act in every way and perfect for LA.

Kobe and Pau together ... three trips to the Finals. Just these two super dudes alone make me dream of a Laker 4 Peat.

Finally winning a Finals against the Celtics in 1985 was the sweetest, but the win this week was the best of the last four Lakers Finals' wins because the Celtics were really a good team in the playoffs this year and we had to go the distance.

On Celtics blogs they are complaining about the work of the referees. In this seven game series, the Lakers team was charged with 156 personal fouls and the Celtics with 174. Actually, pretty close, considering the reputation of the Celtics big men for very physical defense. Excuses.

They Celtics bloggers whine on about Game 7 (rigged referees, Perkins out, bad luck) ... The Lakers won FOUR games, and are the 2009-2010 World Champions! Excuses.

Doc Rivers said his starting five has never lost a series. Bynum played 174 minutes (while injured) and Perkins played 140 minutes. Excuses.

Celtics bloggers, surprisingly, were highly critical of Ray Allen. I thought Ray really worked hard on defense against Kobe, and, yes, Ray was somewhat inconsistent in his shooting. However, nobody can match up with Kobe on both offense and defense. Blaming Ray, giving Kobe no respect ... excuses.

"Rebounds wins Rings" and each game was won by the team that had more rebounds. Hats off to all the Lakers who boxed out and pounded the boards!

Paul Pierce met his match in Ron Artest. Paul had no easier opponents to compete against like he did in 2008 against Radman and Walton.

This Celtics bench in 2010 was not as strong as in 2008. There was more offensive punch in the 2008 Celtics bench.

As for next season's needs: better 3 point shooting, Bynum getting a 15 foot shot like Pau has, more minutes for players from the second team during the regular season and playoffs, some players getting needed surgery, and finding a good replacement for Phil Jackson if he retires. With expiring contracts and Phil talking of retirement, we will see action in the next three months.

Great season! [I got NBA League Pass, so had a front seat to nearly all Laker games this year right here in rural Red Bluff.] Great Ending!

No doubt, beating the Celtics is ALWAYS the best way to start a perfect summer.

skinnerkobe,

You wrote: "hey faker fans, anyone who watched this whole series knows the fakers shouldnt of made it past five or six games,this series was handed to the fakers on a silver platter by stern and the refs, the fakers out shot the celts 3 to 1 from the line in the series, what a joke.. this championship will have an asterik just like the other ones after 2000 and on will..donahey said they all were influenced by him and the other refs at the time"
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You are an ass.... Don't you know that your thug Weenie-ticks got away with more fouls than they were called for, you bunch of whiners?? We won the Championship because we are the LAKERS and we made you *choke* in the fourth quarter with our offensive defense. SO please go bark at some other blog where they will have some pity on your pathetic hateful ass. You lost.... Accept it but don't CHOKE on it like your team did.

GOOOOOOOOLAKERS!!!!!

@KB Blitz "" Andrew's FAR superior footwork and free throw shooting--two things that virtually no big man comes into the NBA with"

Wow what a major diss towards Pau Gasol.

"Trading Bynum for Bosh would leave the Lakers with two power forwards starting together."

Hmm the 2007 San Antonio Spurs seemed to have 2 Starting Power Forwards (Duncan and Oberto). The 09 Lakers squad had Gasol play center 40 minutes and Odom play PF for 35+min in the playoffs and especially finals and Gasol went again HOWARD. So if Gasol went against DPOY who else does he have to go against to prove he's a capable post player even at center? Oh Shaq but Bynum was wrecked in foul trouble TWICE against a 37 year old Shaq now wasn't he?

"What the Lakers have in Bynum and Gasol is something that no team in recent memory (and perhaps no team ever) has had: two legitimate seven footers, playing together, both at an all star level. "

Somebody forgot David Robinson and Tim Duncan though you could also offer up Ralph Sampson and Hakeem Olajuwon. Oh wait Hakeem was a PF who DOMINATED every center in the 90's whether it was Ewing, Robinson (whom he just embarrassed), and a Shaq who averaged 30ppg! So saying PF's can't dominate centers is another moot point. Oh wait Perkins.....well did that stop Pau from averaging 18.5ppg? He had worst game against Rasheed not Perkins!"

YOU ATTRIBUTED THESE COMMENTS TO ME. BETTER CHECK MY POST, I DIDN'T WRITE THIS!!!
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@KB Blitz ""A Center is More Important than LeBron"

Bynum over Bryant then also?"

Real Bright!!! First of All, We Already Have Kobe (We're NOT talking about losing Kobe).

Secondly, Pau then becomes the Center and Look what Perkins did to him Game 5 when Bynum left for the locker room. Pau is a DOMINANT POWER FORWARD--END OF STORY!!!!

Thirdly, LeBron plays Small Forward. We have Artest. Now, I'm NOT comparing Artest to LeBron. But, as a TEAM, if we are talking about playing PAU at Power Forward with Drew at Center and Artest at the 3 versus Pau playing full time Center, Lamar no longer coming off the bench, and LeBron at Power Forward, THEN WE MIGHT AS WELL CHANGE OUR TEAM NAME TO THE 'CAVALIERS'!!!!

AS FOR BOSH, UNLESS YOUR TALKING ABOUT TRADING PAU FOR DWIGHT HOWARD, THEN WE ARE AGAIN TALKING ABOUT PAU PLAYING FULL TIME CENTER. NOT A GREAT IDEA. HE'LL BE SPENT BEFORE THE PLAYOFFS!!!!

KB Blitz, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT BREAKING UP A BACK-2-BACK CHAMPIONSHIP LINEUP!!!

DON'T BE RIDICULOUS!!!
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"GO LAKERS!!!!! ONE, TWO, THREE-PEAT!!!!!

WELCOME HOME JON K!!!!!!!!!

About the trolls....guess who apologized and became a lakerholic?
Edwin Wright!!!!
No, I'm not kidding....
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The power of the Lakers heart, go figure...

Sorry, his name is Eric Wright.

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The other day a boston fan asked me: " Dude, what's the color of money?"
I look at him a little confused and replied: "why, green!"

He's wryly stare at me and yelled :"YEAH! that's what i'm talkin about!"

I paused , smile, and responded :"Do you know what is the color of gold?"

THIS IS SO HILARIOUS, BECAUSE THE GUY WAS STUNNED AND COULD NOT SAY A WORD AFTER THAT! PRICELESS.......

Magic Phil,

Thanks for clarifying that your post does not infer on my previous posts.

Mr. Nosy already struck a blow in my interference with the discussion. My point to Art of FL is that there is always a time to discuss all the minutiae, once you provoke LakerTom, Hobbit and Kblitz there is no way stopping the current flow of information.

We, here in Los Angeles are preparing for a party on Monday.

BTW, who are going to the parade?

We need a center to help Bynum? Just bring back Marc Gasol for 2011/2012 seasson.

He has good numbers with Memphis and we could have the Gasol bros but meaby this is not a good idea and lso you may you think i'm crazy saying this but we need a replacement for Bynum injuries and i'd like to keep this great player and there aren't good centers than can be the second option.

Bynum is the perfect option for the next years, his knees will be OK after this summer and one Bynum at 100% is the best new/trade for this Lakers Team.
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Maybe they are looking for the new Fisher -years are there- and someone who give guaranties for 3 point shoots -one of the knives for triangle play- this team has wined two rings in three consecutive finals years... they deserve respect and credibility, fans who want to be technical assistants at same time are many thousands out there but the only ones who are entitled to do something about don't write their opinion on this blogs... just do their job in silence.
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Now is time to celebrate the new ring not to trade anyone.
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Be happy.

skinnerkobe.....


NYAH, NYAH, NANANYAH!!!!

HA, HA, HA!!

So - I see some fanciful discussions about whether a Bynum-Howard trade is a good idea, and after 5+ years of lurking on this blog, I was compelled to write in..

Putting aside the fact that it will NOT happen, there is a major reason this a bad idea for the Lakers:

Andrew Bynum can shoot Free Throws - D.Howard cannot. Someday, Drew will par lay the ability to shoot from 10-15ft in to a mid-range jumper, maybe even a sweet baseline turn-around like the Dream (long shot I know, but a lot more possible than Howard doing any of those things). I think DH is a monster - would be excited if the Lakers somehow got him, but on a team with Kobe and Pau, I'd take Drew anyday, because he has all the things Howard has (although not nearly as athletic), plus his offensive game allows him to play in the high-post as well.

Drew will learn to play better defense, , he will learn about positioning and spacing on the floor, running the floor hard on every possession, to avoid silly fouls, ways to stay focused over longer periods, and I would imagine that next year's Bynum will come to training camp in the best shape of his career.

These are things that you learn as you get older, specially when you're only 22. How focused and driven and wise were YOU at 22? If you can't remember that far back, how about your kids?

Professional basketball players are still human beings, albeit very tall, talented, well paid ones, and face the same pitfalls all of us face along the journey of life. That's why we celebrate their triumphs, and empathize with their failures as fans.

I mean, the kid started playing b-ball late, spent is first year of non-high-school ball thrown into an 82 game season, and has suffered serious injuries, both of which he has come back strong from. For the sake of comparison, Kareem was a pretty polished high-school player, spent his freshman year just learning from the late great J. Wooden (NCAA Freshman rules back then), AND had the opportunity to develop a killer offensive weapon (Sky-hook, due to NCAA dunk ban) while still playing in college. After FOUR seasons of learning from the genius of Wooden and polishing his game, Kareem ENTERED the NBA at 22, and proceeded to dominate.

Andrew Bynum will dominate the NBA over the next decade (and beyond if his body holds up). Take THAT to the bank. I hope it's with the Lakers.

Ability and potential aside, dude just gutted out two months of playing with an injured knee, and 7 games against the 2010 Celtics, the baddest, meanest, strongest, frontcourt, I can remember since the early '80's Celtics (well, maybe McHale was meaner...), when his knee would just collapse unpredictably (that ever happen to you? think you'd still suit up against Kendrik Perkins the next game?) That is Kurt Rambis stuff man, and anyone who questions heart like that doesn't bleed purple and gold.

AND......we just won a championship!! Drew was a big part of that. The Team loves Drew. The City loves Drew. Even Kobe loves Drew. Have patience with him - raise him the way we raised Kobe and he will make us proud, even when he falls down.

Finally - I can't believe people are already getting heated about this stuff...I grew up in LA from '85, when I was 9. I learned early that summers in LA have 4 States of being: Hell = Lakers losses to Celtics, Misery = Lakers Losses to anyone, Happiness = Lakers Championships, and the rarest of all, Heaven= Lakers Championships over the Celtics. We were THAT close to Hell, and the boys got us to Heaven.

It's going to be a beautiful summer. Drop the hate.

in the words of Dave. C. as Rick James...

"It's a CELEBRATION B****'s, Enjoy yourself.

-LakerNutBomany

So - I see some fanciful discussions about whether a Bynum-Howard trade is a good idea, and after 5+ years of lurking on this blog, I was compelled to write in..

Putting aside the fact that it will NOT happen, there is a major reason this a bad idea for the Lakers:

Andrew Bynum can shoot Free Throws - D.Howard cannot. Someday, Drew will par lay the ability to shoot from 10-15ft in to a mid-range jumper, maybe even a sweet baseline turn-around like the Dream (long shot I know, but a lot more possible than Howard doing any of those things). I think DH is a monster - would be excited if the Lakers somehow got him, but on a team with Kobe and Pau, I'd take Drew anyday, because he has all the things Howard has (although not nearly as athletic), plus his offensive game allows him to play in the high-post as well.

Drew will learn to play better defense, , he will learn about positioning and spacing on the floor, running the floor hard on every possession, to avoid silly fouls, ways to stay focused over longer periods, and I would imagine that next year's Bynum will come to training camp in the best shape of his career.

These are things that you learn as you get older, specially when you're only 22. How focused and driven and wise were YOU at 22? If you can't remember that far back, how about your kids?

Professional basketball players are still human beings, albeit very tall, talented, well paid ones, and face the same pitfalls all of us face along the journey of life. That's why we celebrate their triumphs, and empathize with their failures as fans.

I mean, the kid started playing b-ball late, spent is first year of non-high-school ball thrown into an 82 game season, and has suffered serious injuries, both of which he has come back strong from. For the sake of comparison, Kareem was a pretty polished high-school player, spent his freshman year just learning from the late great J. Wooden (NCAA Freshman rules back then), AND had the opportunity to develop a killer offensive weapon (Sky-hook, due to NCAA dunk ban) while still playing in college. After FOUR seasons of learning from the genius of Wooden and polishing his game, Kareem ENTERED the NBA at 22, and proceeded to dominate.

Andrew Bynum will dominate the NBA over the next decade (and beyond if his body holds up). Take THAT to the bank. I hope it's with the Lakers.

Ability and potential aside, dude just gutted out two months of playing with an injured knee, and 7 games against the 2010 Celtics, the baddest, meanest, strongest, frontcourt, I can remember since the early '80's Celtics (well, maybe McHale was meaner...), when his knee would just collapse unpredictably (that ever happen to you? think you'd still suit up against Kendrik Perkins the next game?) That is Kurt Rambis stuff man, and anyone who questions heart like that doesn't bleed purple and gold.

AND......we just won a championship!! Drew was a big part of that. The Team loves Drew. The City loves Drew. Even Kobe loves Drew. Have patience with him - raise him the way we raised Kobe and he will make us proud, even when he falls down.

Finally - I can't believe people are already getting heated about this stuff...I grew up in LA from '85, when I was 9. I learned early that summers in LA have 4 States of being: Hell = Lakers losses to Celtics, Misery = Lakers Losses to anyone, Happiness = Lakers Championships, and the rarest of all, Heaven= Lakers Championships over the Celtics. We were THAT close to Hell, and the boys got us to Heaven.

It's going to be a beautiful summer. Drop the hate.

in the words of Dave. C. as Rick James...

"It's a CELEBRATION B****'s, Enjoy yourself.

-LakerNutBomany

Jon K- Hey! anytimes is good for us. So where are you workin nowadays? Better than the greater Cleveland area? Did you enjoy your finals o shadenfreude? Looks like no matter what, we will need some local expert to demystify the LBrainiac for us. Or at least I have a great post comming up that compares the Kobe v Jordan Debate to the Wolverine vs Batman debates, which you should get a shot at.

Hey, glad to see you here. Good luck with the rest of it.

Bynum has been real effective against Boston in the last two regular season hence the 3-1 record. He had games of 22 and 10 etc against the most physical team in the League which is Boston. Just his presence alone helped LA against Boston. Yall remembered how excited Perk was in i beleieved game 5 when Bynum couldn't come into the game, he clamped down on Pau. Bosh is a power forward a good one but not a center. With Bosh as our center this year Boston would have rolled us out. Bynum is a keeper and hopefully he will conquered that injury bug and be a playoff warrior. Due to Bynum's size/strenght alone he knocked Perk out of the playoffs. We need a solid pg to mix our offense. The triangle is good but predictable and we need a pg who can push the ball and create easy shots for other players. Sill run the triangle in half court situations but run as well which Dfish can't do. Think showtime lakers of the 1980s. LA was a fast breaking team but played devestating half court games with the likes of kareem, worthy and magic in the post. It should be a penetrating guard like Kobe who can shoot from outside.

To all those who want DFish gone, I would suggest you look at all the clutch shots he has taken at the most opportune moments throughout his career. He is the spiritual leader of the team and has been solid when the Lakers needed him. He is like ex-PGs Ron Harper and Brian Shaw - play the Triangle with few or no turnovers.

Kobe will only pay heed to Fisher although he hears the other other team mates. Then, there is the association he enjoys with Artest, Odom, Pau and the Lakers Organization. He is the backbone of this team and has mastered the Triangle Offense like no other guard. If Farmar decides to leave, the Lakers will probably sign another quicker PG who are a dime a dozen and who would sign for the minimum for the chance at a championship.

If this team stays healthy and we see Mbenga and Powell getting some more playing time in the regular season, the Lakers will 3-peat. I hate to see anyone leave or be traded, but, that's the nature of the beast.

Magic Phil,

Eric Wright apologized?

Are you kidding me? Really?

Did he apologize for repeatedly calling me a murderer of my friend?

I don't believe it.

What do we play for? RINGS!!!

Lakers Today... Lakers Tomorrow... Lakers Forever.

GO LAKERS!!!

Magic Phil,

Eric Wright apologized?

Are you kidding me? Really?

Did he apologize for repeatedly calling me a murderer of my friend?

I don't believe it.

What do we play for? RINGS!!!

Lakers Today... Lakers Tomorrow... Lakers Forever.

GO LAKERS!!!

 
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