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Caught in the Web: Reactions to Lakers' 96-89 Game 4 loss to Boston Celtics

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Game stories

-- The Times' Mike Bresnahan believes the Lakers' 96-89 Game 4 NBA Finals loss Thursday to the Boston Celtics resembled their poor play in the 2008 Finals.

--The New York Times' Howard Beck credits the Celtics' bench.

--The Boston Globe's Julian Benbow captures the Celtics' emotion.

--The Boston Herald's Steve Bulpett didn't think the game was pretty.

-- The Riverside Press-Enterprise's Matt Calkins points to the Celtics bench as the difference.

--The Washington Post's Michael Lee also centers his story around Boston's bench.

-- The Daily News' Elliott Teaford dissects the Lakers' poor defense.

Notebooks

-- The Daily News' Teaford reports Lakers Coach Phil Jackson plans to visit his doctor a week after the NBA Finals end, which will largely play into whether he will coach again next season.

-- The Riverside Press-Enterprise's Calkins breaks down what Bynum's injury meant to the team, the technical fouls and why Shannon Brown thought the team fell apart.

Sidebars

-- The Times' Broderick Turner explains why Lakers forward Lamar Odom didn't fill Bynum's shoes.

-- The Times' Lisa Dillman credits the contributions made from Boston's bench.

-- The Times' Baxter Holmes details how Boston forward Paul Pierce turned his game around.

--The Boston Herald's Ron Borges looks at Boston's fourth-quarter turnaround.

--The New York Times' Beck focuses on Lakers assistant Brian Shaw, and his coaching style.

--Sports Illusrated's Chris Mannix explains why Bryant couldn't bail out the Lakers. He also shares his player-by-player report card.

-- The Daily News' Jill Painter spent some time at a Lakers party.

--The Boston Globe's Nate Taylor breaks down Pierce's improved game. Taylor also mentions that Nate Robinson has earned Doc Rivers' trust.

-- The Daily News' Teaford details why the Lakers struggled stopping the Celtics' bench.

Columns

-- The Times' Bill Plaschke argues the Celtics victory gives them a strong chance to contend for the title.

-- The Times' T.J. Simers remains impressed with Bynum's toughness.

-- Former Clippers Coach Mike Dunleavy argues in The Times that Boston's bench made the difference.

-- ESPN.com's J.A. Adande details how the Lakers struggled without Bynum.

--The Boston Herald's Steve Buckley looks at the Celtics' "babies."

--The Orange County Register's Kevin Ding faults Odom for not compensating for Bynum's absence.

-- Former Laker Rick Fox says at ESPN Los Angeles that the Lakers had no answer for Boston's bench.

--ESPN Boston's Chris Forsberg likes the Celtics' energy.

--Fox Sports' Jeff Goodman expresses amusement about the Celtics' energy.

--Fox Sports' Randy Hill calls this series unpredictable.

-- ESPN.com's John Hollinger describes Boston's Game 4 victory as "ugly."

--Fox Sports' Mitch Lawrence wonders who will fill Bynum's void.

ESPN Boston's Peter May documents Pierce's turnaround performance.

-- ESPN Los Angeles' Dave McMenamin credits Tony Allen's defense on Kobe Bryant.

-- The Riverside Press-Enterprise's Gregg Patton thinks the Lakers missed a huge opportunity in taking control of the series.

--Fox Sports' Charley Rosen argues the Lakers should worry about their current situation.

--The Boston Globe's Bob Ryan loves Big Baby's play.

--The Boston Globe's Dan Shaughnessy break down the Celtics' reserves.

-- ESPN.com's Chris Sheridan praises the Celtics' bench.

--Sports Illustrated's Ian Thomsen sees plenty of things to like from Boston's Game 4 effort.

--Yahoo! Sports' Dan Wetzel wants more out of Odom.

Blogs

-- Silver Screen and Roll's C.A. Clark factors in how desperation came into play in Game 4.

--Forum Blue and Gold's Darius believes this series has come down to execution.

--Ball Don't Lie's Kelly Dwyer breaks down some numbers.

-- ESPN Los Angeles' Andy and Brian Kamenetzky break down the game.

--Celtic blog's Greg Payne focuses on the bench.

--Yahoo Sports! Adrian Wojnarowski looks at Big Baby's increased maturity.

Tweet of the Day: Big Baby's making Gerber out of the Lakers." -- matt_Calkins (Riverside Press-Enterprise columnist Matt Calkins).

Reader Comment of the Day: "Odom is the Scarecrow. No brain. Artest is the Tin Man. Jumps like he's made of metal. Gasol is the Cowardly Lion. Afraid to grab the ball, swing your elbows, clear space, get tough." -- conTROLL Man

-- Mark Medina in Boston

Follow the L.A. Times Lakers blog on Twitter: twitter.com/latmedina. E-mail the Lakers blog at mgmedin@gmail.com.

Photo: Lakers guard Kobe Bryant and Coach Phil Jackson realize their fate has been sealed in a Game 4 loss to the Celtics on Thursday night in Boston. Credit: Wally Skalij/Los Angeles Times.

 
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Win or lose, I am thinking Mitch better do an overhaul for next year. Might have been nice for us to have gotten Nate Robinson for bench help, but we stayed pat. Wonder how that's going to work out for us? Guess we'll know very soon. Come on Lakers-MAN UP!

I'm wondering if Kloe will stay with Odom when he gets shipped out in the off season.

DJ, DJ do I detect a note of pessimism in your post? Forgetting all false optimism the odds alone say that we have more than a 75% chance of winning the title based on who wins the 1st game what happens when Phil wins the 1st game etc. Yes we do need a couple of changes, but not as many as people think. We''re gonna be alright Bro and this dynasty is headed for at least a run of 3 titles in a row - that's another thing that has to do with the odds. So just don't lose the faith and sometime next week or the wek after we'll all be getting ready for a Parade.
Mamba24

Maybe it was just me, but I thought it was obvious that both teams' starters were out of gas in the late 3rd quarter. No one was attacking, the ball was being walked up the floor, mouths were hanging open, shorts were being grabbed, and shots were coming up short.

So in the 4th, Rivers brings in his bench while Jackson leaves Kobe, Gasol, and Odom in. The Celtic's bench plays with a lot of energy, gets momentum and runs with it, and the totally gassed Lakers starters can't match...they've played the entire second half. Game 4 to the Celtics.

Sure, part of it was a lack of Bynum and his place in the rotation, but another part was certainly Phil's failure to monitor his starters' minutes in the third straight every-other-day game. He admitted as much. You could say he got out-coached in this game.

And why is Odom "overmatched" against Davis? That shouldn't be. But LO can't hit a jump shot, can't go right, and now, can't box out.

Get better Drew!!!!

LO.....you must give your team MORE to help them win.....this is the finals, man....give it all you got....what you waiting for??.......

LO.....you must give your team MORE to help them win.....this is the finals, man....give it all you got....what you waiting for??.......

After all is said and done the Lakers have to just go into game 5 and simply play TRIANGLE basketball in game 5 even in the last minute with 20 seconds to play. They'll be fine.

If you haven't been following them, there's a storyline emerging from all the beat reporter tweets coming out of Boston in the last hour:

By Mike_Bresnahan:] Phil J was zinging right away Friday afternoon. What can he do to jump-start Odom? "I was thinking of an electrode." Not happy, obviously.

[By latmedina:] Jackson hopes Lamar and Ron have big games in Game 5

[By KevinDing:] Phil: "Lamar struggled two years ago (vs. BOS) ... he has to break through kind of that mental gap that he had from that to move forward."

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Maybe I was channeling all this in my post on the last thread. Feel free to skip the rest here if you already read it:

The stage known as the NBA Finals has an uncanny resemblance to the one on Broadway. There are the stars and there is the supporting cast. The breakdown for the play requires both.

The road traveled to get there is the same. The NBA has its own equivalent of dinner theater, off-Broadway, and Broadway.

For Ron Artest and Lamar Odom, that dinner theater was Queensbridge, the public housing development in Long Island City, New York. It's where they became friends. It's where they honed their basketball skillz.

It's also just a day trip from Boston, Massachusetts. With the extra day between games, it's where I hope they're going today to get reacquainted with their mojo. As supporting cast members, maybe a strong pick-up game is what they need to re-emerge under the bright lights of TD Garden on Sunday. Maybe it's what they need to shine under the bright lights instead of wilt under them.

Baseball sends its struggling players down to the minors for a week or two, then brings them back after they regain their mojo. Lamar and Thriller only have time for a day trip.

As much as the Lakers need a healthy Andrew Bynum, they also need more mojo from Lamar and Thriller. Boston's role players were the ones making a strong statement on Thursday, the Lakers role players not so much.

For whatever reason, Queensbridge has spawned some amazing contributors to American sports and music. Lamar and Thriller are part of a legacy that includes hip hop artists from "The Bridge," Prodigy and Nas. The Lakers need Lamar and Thriller to be ready to record their triple platinum album. Maybe some fresh inspiration can help.

With the possibility that Andrew's contributions will be limited, Lamar and Thriller must be ready to step up alongside Kobe and Pau and share the spotlight of responsibility and glory. We've yet to see the best from the Lakers understudies. This is their time to shine.

I agree, win or lose we need some overhaul to do. I am thinking about 2 guys in particular that could help in the back court, JJ Reddick and Kirk Hinrich...Bosh could be a very good addition too but it's very difficult to accomplish. Raja Bell would be a good one too. How about Noah or Diaw? I want somebody who can defend and shoot the ball, penetrate inside I think that's what we need!!!.But most of all I want Kobe and Andrew to have surgeries in the off season that would make a lot of difference for a 3 peat!!!!Go Lakers!!!

SECOND CHANCE ENERGY, PLAIN AND SIMPLE . . .

Second chance points. Such a simple phrase. "Second chance" is such a wonderful thought. How many times in your life would you love to have a "second chance?" They make a difference.

All four games have been dictated by the team that gets more "second chances". These come through the following avenues...
--Offensive rebounds
--Corraling jump balls and loose balls (50-50 balls)
--Replay reversals

The players have direct influence on most of the "second chances" which are a result of energy.

It was clear last night that the Lakers lacked energy in the 4th q. The great defense they played for three quarters was suffocating and exhausting. Unless Phil Jackson inserts the bench differently, this pattern will continue. You saw it in all four games, resulting in TWO losses.

For three quarters last night, BOTH teams struggled to score. But the Lakers were a little better.

It is all about the energy. It is Phil Jackson's DIRECT RESPONSIBILITY to manage the personnel to best fuel the highest level of balance between energy and skill throughout the game. One man's opinion here, but I think he has failed to provide enough energy to that balance.

Vujacic and Mbenga may not score much (although Sasha has the potential to go off much like Nate Robinson), but they bring excellent energy and defense to the game.

Lakers are a better team than Celtics. BUT, better TEAM means using all the Team resources. Jackson has not done this as well in the first four games as he is capable of doing. . .

Games 5 & 6 offer him a "Second Chance" . . . . . . .

Mike

troy,

you are not alone.. i share your sentiments... i dont understand how people can remain so calm after last nights drubbing.. thats just me so i envy everyone who can remain so levelheaded...

getting owned by a fat lardass big baby is embarrassing and unacceptable.

like i pointed out earlier.. we still got homecourt but this aint 2-2 like okc or the suns.. celts have first game at home and can regain control of series.

SECOND CHANCE ENERGY, PLAIN AND SIMPLE . . .

Yeah, sure easy for a couch potato to say

Nobody does game 5s better than Phil.

Count on that till the game is played. The team will adjust, just like the Celtics did.

Wouldn't mind seein' Phil go down the bench but since he hasn't established anyone, guys like DJ would get a foul called as soon as he got up to go in.

No worries. I believe. Game 5 is ours.

yellofever:

Grasshopper, very easy to stay calm and that is having faith in your team and the coach with 10 rings....And if you want the real answer then detachment from all the slime that you accept and is fed to you from outside catalysts, stay clean in mind body and soul...

I would like to see the Lakers try to run some pick & roll with Gasol and Odom, perhaps get the Celtics to switch Davis to Gasol and Wallace to Odom (obviously this is when the starters are out). I think Odom does better against Rasheed while Gasol can post Davis up deep and shoot over him.

If Phil won't use anyone off the bench, then he has to come up with a way to maximize the matchups.

yellowfever, yes you are right, it's frustrating knowing we could win that game, there were many lapses from the players and coaches as well. But I would like to take to see it as half filled glass of water instead of the other way, we are controlling the series for the most part and that's a good sign and we know how the lakers capacity to come back from a loss..Let's take the loss as it is and move on...we had been in this predicament before and we still made it...this team matured a lot from bad experiences...we will win this series!!!

Phil was outcoached by Rivers. Rivers trusted his bench, Phil did not. Rivers understands that matchups are the key (which is why is won't play Tony Allen alongside Rondo any more) but Phil does not seem to (which is why Sasha and DJ don't get any minutes).

The player whose minutes should be restricted is Lamar Odom. Playing alongside Gasol, Odom is defended by KG and Odom is the one Laker that KG simply owns. Worse, both KG and LO know this. You are putting their most mentally tough player against our least mentally tough player, and you wonder why we lose?

If Andrew can't start, Mbenga should be the starter at center, forcing Perkins to guard him, and KG to guard Gasol (who, in contrast to Odom, owns KG). This lineup has the added benefit of relegating Odom to the bench, where he is more likely to be effective--although that is no guarantee.

The following three need to step up their effort in game 5: Lamar Odom, Ron Artest, and Phil Jackson.

Seriously people...overhaul? Are you kidding me. I'll be the first to admit we could add some help to our bench but no one is going to take on LO's brand new contract and we don't need to overhaul anything except for making sure Bynum is healthy a full season.

Now the Celtics...when they lose, they'll definitely be overhauling...Doc is gone, Allen and Nate will most likely be gone too.

Yeah, sure easy for a couch potato to say

Posted by: Pastor | June 11, 2010 at 10:54 AM

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lol . . . Not sure what exactly that comment is intended to mean.

--Yes, I watched the game from my couch while Jackson sat in the "hotseat" as Lakers coach. Admittedly much easier for me to offer analysis so easily.

--I have sat in that coaches "hotseat" for many years at many levels. It is definitely much more difficult than it appears. Fans in the stands (and on their couches!) have no idea.

--I must object to your inference that I am a "couch potato" though. I play B-ball three days a week, surrounded by 20 & 30 somethings who could be my sons. I referee B-ball at the HS and Junior College level.

--I think your name of "Pastor" reveals an interesting slight against me. But, I really am not into the personal back-n-forth thing. So this is it for me.

Mike

troy and yellofever,
I share your sentiments as I pointed out on my previous post. Let us not forget, these are the Celtics, they're not Suns, Thunders or Magics. They have so much pride as a franchise. Just the thought of an opportunity to beat the Lakers once again is enough motivation. If your mind can conceive it your body will achieve it. Stranger things have happened, Celtics playing the underdog role so nicely in their favor.

Please Lord, I hope I am wrong. Please Lakers, proved to me I am wrong because a loss this time I could not take.

The sports media is riding the wave of whoever wins the most recent game in this series. Lakers fans (and hometown reporters) need to stop getting sucked into it. The Celtics got their win in Boston, but the Lakers have also shown they can win in Boston. The series is tied, but 2 of the next 3 games are in LA. Stop the pathetic panic syndrome after a loss! We have plenty of talent, and the Lakers have shown the ability to make the right adjustments in the next game. Players have also stepped up and had great games at critical times, including Odom, Fish, Artest, Farmar, Brown, Drew, and Kobe. It's a great series, and we're still in good shape. GO LAKERS!

WHAT YOU INPUT IS WHAT YOU OUTPUT.. garbage in and garbage out.


HAHAHAHA .. funny to hear fans mentioning overhauling, trades, changes while the team is in the midst of a fierce battle, talk about wishy washy Lakers fans, at slightest adverse condition ready to curl up in a fetus position and throw up total garbage.

Good evening, maybe it's the fam.

Just finished to read all the posts and the threads left from the awful moment of our loss, and maybe it's the fact that I have been doing it relaxing on a personal boat cruise to Sardinia (otherwise known as PARADISE, trust me ;)), maybe it's the fact I was kinda expecting yesterday's game (see my yesterday's post about it), maybe it's the fact I really don't see Celtics able to get that ring out from us...

But I totally DON'T have bitter feelings.

I am disappointed in the result, but analyzing the game I don't see the dooming days ahead some of you do.

This sounded a lot like Game 4 against the OKC, and then against PHX.

We have this incredible tendency in playing ourselves funny in the Olympic of Bashing Your Own Troops, and see if that works.

What were you expecting?
A sweep... against the Celtics?

You truly did?

I never did.

But given to the Celtics props (especially to Allen's defense yesterday), we still a way better team.

Moreover, we are a team who learns always from minus moments.

They do too... it's just that collectively we have better talents- and in sports that is gonna show.

I don't care about referees. I don't care about mind games.
I strongly believe in the end the real value of the players will show.

Am I concerned?

Well, the normal and logic amount derived from Drew's injury (really a bad factor) and that part that I ascribe to "intangibles" (Copyright isn't MM ;) it's Magic Johnson to me ;)).

Sure I am worried about our physical state.

But there Celtics are at our same stage... so in the end it should be a mutual elision.

Their bench so far has outperformed ours.

That sure is not pretty sight.

But just like I defended Derek all season long, I will keep on putting faith in Lamar, to step up.
I will keep believe Ron can be great in D (he mostly has during playoffs) and also finally back to being reliable in O.

This is the talent these two players have... and I don't see how bashing them can help the team.
Pushing your players and bashing them are not synonymes.

Not in my world at least.

This team has already all that is needed to win.
We just need to use it.

We are not lacking ANYONE out from other teams. We are the best possible Lakers this season. And if our guys would get back believeing it not through self complacency, but throughout a constantly perfectible and perfectioned effort, like I believe they will next tw games, we will be just FINE- and Victorious.

Kobe's troubles at shooting derive from his state the whole season. Injury, and state of shape. But those bashing him for taking wrong shots way too soon forget his attitude in shooting and keep trying for the impossible or thethe improbable is what makes him THE GOD he is. All the impossible things he makes real come out from trying all that nobody else would. That is the difference from a regular player to a superior player. You live and die by it, but we far outlived throughout that, and denying it would prove you all just short of memory, and unable to get basket dynamics.
The day Kobe would think he cannot make shots due to injury or whatever else, he wouldn't simply be Kobe anymore, defying gravity and logic and creating magic unseen on court.
You cannot be at once a one-of-a-kind player and a regularly-deciding-player. You're either one, or the other and for Heaven's sake, may I die straight if I would ever like Kobe to become "regular".

He's already stopped to be constantly Kobe mode since two years. When he roots in for that mode, is cos his teammates look like they ASK him so. A team dynamical dialogue is made by players mutual reactions in the team play, also and as much as it's determined by other's team players.

I have all possible belief in Kobe. It will never cease.

I'm sure he will work out all and everything for the best, at the best time.

I'm sure Pau and Derek are there to give him all he needs to feel at the best possible pace in the est possible moment.

Our bench guys must and will step up.

The point is if/when we play at our 80% best, we still superior to any team.

I say 80 cos Drew out or diminished is a factor. But still, we can go through it and make it ALSO for him.

This ring is two step away. FOR US TO TAKE.

I'm not gonna knive out at our players.

I am just gonna pour all my heart out for them, support them always, and wear proudly my KB24 shirt until next Figueroa Parade.

Have all a great day guys.

Catch you from my sailing later on ;)

Seriously people...overhaul? Are you kidding me. I'll be the first to admit we could add some help to our bench but no one is going to take on LO's brand new contract and we don't need to overhaul anything except for making sure Bynum is healthy a full season. Now the Celtics...when they lose, they'll definitely be overhauling...Doc is gone, Allen and Nate will most likely be gone too. Posted by: EastCoastJessie | June 11, 2010 at 11:04 AM
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NOW THAT'S WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT! ECJessie a week from now everybody is going to be talking about what a great series it was and how they love each and every Laker. Lol Then 2 weeks from now they will be talking about making trades just as they would have even if we swept the Celtics! Believe me yes I like to put on an optomistic face, but I believe to the core of my bones that....WE GOT THIS!!! KEEP THE FAITH!
MAMBA24

This ring is two step away. FOR US TO TAKE. I'm not gonna knive out at our players. I am just gonna pour all my heart out for them, support them always, and wear proudly my KB24 shirt until next Figueroa Parade. Have all a great day guys.
Catch you from my sailing later on ;) Posted by: ZairaAmaterasu | June 11, 2010 at 11:12 AM
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Have a great day sailing Zaira and don't worry...WE GOT THIS!!!
Mamba24

This ring is two step away. FOR US TO TAKE. I'm not gonna knive out at our players. I am just gonna pour all my heart out for them, support them always, and wear proudly my KB24 shirt until next Figueroa Parade. Have all a great day guys.
Catch you from my sailing later on ;) Posted by: ZairaAmaterasu | June 11, 2010 at 11:12 AM
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Have a great day sailing Zaira and don't worry...WE GOT THIS!!!
Mamba24

I CAN'T FATHOM HOW ONE CAN EQUATE High School or play ground BB to NBA finals where worlds BEST players are at display, intensity at its best, the pressure beyond any couch potato can grasp but hey there is never a shortage of opinions especially when it is free like easy breezy!!


I say preach brothers just preach!!

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Uh-oh, I`ve really got Big Baby drooling now!!!!

Yellowfever,

I'm glad I know I have someone on this blog like me. I'm sick and tired of hearing - oh, I thought this would go 7 games, so all is okay. Why? The Lakers are a superior team to the Celtics, nothing should be going 7 games. The Lakers are beating THEMSELVES, the Celtics are just taking advantage of it - and this frustrates the living hell out of me.

Last night was a perfect example. The Celitcs sucked hard 1st half, and then they had to rely on two benchwarmers; a slobbering fatazz and a loud mouth short guy, to beat the Lakers. This is totally unacceptable, especially for a team with Kobe Bean Bryant on it, who has a history of choking in the finals.

This thing should have been over in 4 or 5 games, but now we fans have to suffer through a very stressful game 5 thanks to the antics of the Los Angeles Lakers, dammit.

Zaira,

I always enjoy reading your posts and your perspective. Thanks for bringing some sanity to the post-loss blog today. The trolls are out in full force (I scroll right past), and the fair-weather fans are already talking about the off-season (I'm trying to focus on the task at hand).

Each team has lost ONE game on its home court. It's a best of 3 series now. 1 in Boston. 2 in LA. I still like our chances, and I like them a lot. If we win Sunday, it's a MAJOR series shift. If we lose Sunday, we've got TWO home games for redemption.

All that's left is to play the games. This is for all the marbles, folks. Kobe knows it. Fisher knows it. Phil knows it. They ALL know it.

Game 5? We'll find out soon.

Go Lake Show!

No Bynum, No chance in hell. Please odumb fall down and break an ankle or something.

ENJOYING THE RIDE . . .

For those fans who are more recent, my guess is that you have great memories of the Lakers 2000 WCF win over Portland and 2002 WCF win over Sacramento. Compared to the four game sweep in 2002 Finals over NJ, those series were much more memorable. In fact, that win over the Pacers in 2000 was more satisfying than 2002 NJ ... 6 games better than a sweep.

It is the journey and the battle that makes the accomplishment all the more satisfying. Although smack-talk, bragging rights covet a sweep, the long-term satisfaction comes from hard-fought victories delivered by battle-tested warriors.

This series is going to deliver one team a very satisfying victory, and the other a crushing defeat.

Lakers still bear the "advantage" of home court.
Mike

Good Morning, Everybody!

Obviously I'm disappointed like everyone else.

I'm a little concerned about the nature of the blog. After a winning people are irrationally screaming that we're going to sweep. After a loss people are irrationally screaming that all is lost.

With Andrew, Kobe, Thriller, and Lamar hurt, we all knew this wasn't going to be easy.

Did we lose last night or did the Celtics beat us? More for the former than the latter, methinks.

Lamar (aka the Captain of the Bench Mob) hasn't really shown up this series and it is highly disappointing. I'm confident he will, but I sure hope he shows up soon because we need him to show up.

We're really going to need some potent game day prayers for Andrew Bynum and his knee.

I must say that I am proud of him playing through the pain as he has. Andrew has grown up finally. That maturity will be a big help for us.

The drama continues to mount. All that matters is that we're still going back to Los Angeles.

What do we play for? RINGS!!!

Lakers Today... Lakers Tomorrow... Lakers Forever.

GO LAKERS!!!!

Overhaul is just a thought! But really, we are aiming for 3 peat...and we know we need some guys especially in the back court, I believe Fish will stay, andrew should stay but we really need to beef up the bench. We can pick up some players in the free agency that could help our starters. I think the subject was brought up just to lighten up our day, other topics to talk about not just the loss we had last night. We were hurt last night, pretty damn good!! But hey, let's take it easy and enjoy the rest of the day...it's not yet over and we know that. Just like Kobe used to say after a hard loss, let's move on!!!! Lakers!!!!

did anyone seriously think that winning 3 games in Boston was a lock?

This is exactly how LA played in 2008,no Bynum is great for Boston,I wish that coach Phil Jackson would see that Lamar Odom is truly a dissappointment in the starting lineup against the celtics,Pau Gasol is not a true center so to combat this ongoing problem,why not start the 7 ft Mbenga,it's worth a chance,he's physical,a shot blocker,a rebounder and gets much respect when his presence is felt,we don't need him to score he can get his points from offensive rebounds,you know scrap points. Perkins is not going to score much so he can be a factor in the middle in this series,you just have to have him to stay out of foul trouble early,it would be better than starting odom,If Bynum is able to play somewhat it probably is still a good Idea to Bring Mbenga off the bench to play wit Gasol or Odom and Mbenga at the same time. I think he is a commodity to the team so why waste it,It's worth a shot,We need to win game 5 and If there's a possibility that Bynum could not play in Game 6 or 7 it may prove to be devastating,JUST A THOUGHT ! LAKER FOR LIFE !

We've seen this happen before in these playoffs with the Suns bench killing us in PHX down the stretch and winning the game. Sure, the Celtics are a different team and I won't take anything away from them, but I believe our Lakers will bounce back as they have all postseason long. For all the talk regarding the Celtics resiliency and heart(and rightfully so), the Lakers have exhibited just as much resiliency and heart with the added pressure of defending the crown.

Tied 2-2, 2 of 3 left for all the marbles. I like our chances. To the winner the spoils!!! Go Lakers!!!

RED`S LOVE CHILD,

Doesn't it feel a bit icky rooting for a player called "The Big Baby?"

Watching Kevin Garnett on his knees in the fourth quarter snarling like a rabid dog was simply unsettling.

RED, you seem like you are actually a real basketball fan. I hope there's redemption for you because you are rooting for the Dark Side of the Force. Can't you see that?

The Celtics are an ugly, mean team of bullies.

What do we play for? RINGS!!!!

Lakers Today... Lakers Tomorrow... Lakers Forever.

GO LAKERS!!!!

Hey MM,

Not that it matters since the only thing I care is if the Lakers win or lose, but I made that comment:

"Odom is the Scarecrow. No brain. Artest is the Tin Man. Jumps like he's made of metal. Gasol is the Cowardly Lion. Afraid to grab the ball, swing your elbows, clear space, get tough."

Although my favorite comment of the day was when someone said Glen Davis and Nate Robinson looked like Shrek and Donkey.

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Ignore 'em, count 'em out,
Count 'em out, ignore them
Trolls die!


Keep movin', movin', movin',
Cause they're disapprovin',
Keep them scroll wheels movin' Trolls die!
Don't try to understand 'em,
Just continue to ignore 'em,
Don't feed them so they won't multiply.
Boy they can be frustratin'
Let them be forsaken, continue to ignore 'em let them die.


CHORUS

Movin' on, skippin' them
Skippin' them, movin' on
Movin' on, skippin' them,
Trolls die
Count 'em out, ignore 'em,
Ignore 'em, count 'em out,
Count 'em out, ignore them
Trolls die!

Troy -

The reason why I'm levelheaded is that I can't really do anything about the finals - I don't have an NBA contract (or any of the other sufficient conditions needed to play in this year's finals).

Am I concerned about the Lakers? Yes. However, I take each game in stride, and with the 2-3-2 format and Boston's crowd, I honestly didn't see the lakers winning all 3 games in Boston. Would have been nice, but Boston getting to the Finals as a 4-seed and getting past ABC's pre-determined champs (The Cleveland LeBrons) is a testament to their worthiness as an opponent.

Again, if we can keep them off the boards, we'll be fine, given how we've played defense so far. We've really got to focus though, and it would be pleasant to come back to L.A. with the series 3-2.

One thing is clear this puts an end to the non-Bynum believers like Hobbitmmage.


It maybe the big body of Bynum, but Gasol and Odom are both big bodies as well. What separates Bynum from other bigs is his mental toughness and detremination to help the team.

Playing time:

Garnett: 21 min.
Rasheed: 23 min.
Davis: 20 min.
Perkins: 24 min.

PAU GASOL: 44 min.

You can see the problem?¿?????

Jon K.

Phil last night in his post game interview told the reporters, that before they ask him any question, he wanted to tell them that Lakers had a chance to win the game late in the 4th qtr.

Caliphilosopher,

"Again, if we can keep them off the boards, we'll be fine, given how we've played defense so far."

I agree. This Finals is about rebounds, particularly offensive rebounds. That's the statistic we need to follow.

What do we play for? RINGS!!!

Lakers Today... Lakers Tomorrow... Lakers Forever.

GO LAKERS!!!

RED`S LOVE CHILD,

Doesn't it feel a bit icky rooting for a player called "The Big Baby?"

Watching Kevin Garnett on his knees in the fourth quarter snarling like a rabid dog was simply unsettling.

RED, you seem like you are actually a real basketball fan. I hope there's redemption for you because you are rooting for the Dark Side of the Force. Can't you see that?

The Celtics are an ugly, mean team of bullies.

What do we play for? RINGS!!!!

Lakers Today... Lakers Tomorrow... Lakers Forever.

GO LAKERS!!!!

Posted by: Jon K. | June 11, 2010 at 11:38 AM

Better than rooting for ...

"Odom is the Scarecrow. No brain. Artest is the Tin Man. Jumps like he's made of metal. Gasol is the Cowardly Lion. Afraid to grab the ball, swing your elbows, clear space, get tough."

Can't you see that?


ricky:

Spain is not going to win the World Cup, sorry, Brazil will be the champions again.

By the way thanks for pointing out a very astute point with PAU 44 mins, can't believe we missed it. Like always you make very poignant points on this blog and I consider you a very valuable member.

I say preach brother!!

Nice to see some sanity on this thread... especially dug Rick's Queensbridge post. So, we're 2-2 with one game left in Boston and two in L.A.. This has been a tough, epic finals battle. It's what we wanted, right? Victory will be sweet. And let's be clear about last night, Davis saved those guys. We're gonna put a foot on their necks on Sunday and finish them off in L.A..

Perkins and Davis PARTY LIKE IT'S 2008 once BYNUM was no where in the basketball court.


PERKINS defended and rebounded well against Shaq, Howard and Gasol in the playoffs 2010. BUT against ANDREW BYNUM, Kendrick Perkins was useless!


I would like for all the critics of Bynum to atleast now come forward one by one and wish ANDREW BYNUM to get healthy soon.


ANDERW NEEDS all the support of LAKERFANS NOW! PRAY for his health that he can play in game 5!


dave m:

You wrote: We're gonna put a foot on their necks on Sunday and finish them off in L.A..

Response: we?

Preach brother just preach!!

Just watched post game of Kobe and Jackson. How smug, pompous and arrogant can your head coach and franchise player be? Seriously. How about giving The Celtics credit for playing a better game last night. Jackson uses cryptic speech to basically say the Celtics flop in their 'animations' and weren't the better team. What would you call Gasol's magnificent flop in the waning moments of game 3 then Phil?? I hate the Lakers with a passion and can't wait till they get knocked down a couple of notches. Here's to the Celtics winning in 6 on the lakers floor. GO JAZZ!!!

raydeohed, that is a preposterous observation, and one that completely ignores the lack of respect the Celtics have shown. How about Pierce not crediting Artest's defense and chalking up his poor performances in three games to "just missing shots"? How about Doc Rivers saying that Fisher doesn't do anything but flop in defending Allen? How about Rivers spending all his time between games 3 and 4 complaining about officiating?

I agree with most of your thoughts that Lakers will be fine. True, yesterday's loss was disappointing but it will actually motivate the Lakers to play even better so watch out for Games 5 & 6. Those will be the clinchers and it will be the Celtics crying. Pau Gasol will regain focus on the offense and defense while Lamar and Ron will not get themselves lost but to reactivated the triangle offense. Lakers now, forever, and all the way. Go get that 16th Championship and the fifth for yourself Kobe.

it's pretty sad to see comments from Laker fans talking like the team is all ready finished and what should be done next year. Comments like that make me understand why other team's fans criticize Laker fans. If you dont believe in this team anymore stop watching the games.

I will support this team win or lose. Obviously I hope they win but come on, they need our support right now not some half baked ideas about what needs to be done in the future..Dont put the cart before the horse, we're still playing in the finals!!!!

The Celtics arent going to just give up. As much as I hate them I was expecting a very tough series. This is the last chance they will have for a long time to get to this level, the Lakers future looks much brighter than theirs and with that in mind we should all understand the level of intensity they will bring to every single game. The Lakers need to bring that same level of intensity otherwise this will be a long summer for Laker fans. Support your team, they need it!!!!!

To Pastor.

Thanks. Brazil Champion))))¿¿¡¡¡¡ Well, maybe. I think our middle field is better and that is Key. Wait and see.

Well, go Lakers. I hope next game Kobe play better and Pau, too. But we need Odom and Artest ready, and of course, Bynum healty. Perkins guarding Pau will be the end of the Finals like 2008.

Odom is Key right now b/c i think Bynum can´t play. We have a big big problem.

Cali,

I appreciate your level-headness. I'm not like that. I'm a die-hard fan for years on in. I've grown up with the Lakers, my whole family, my friends, we've all grown up with the Lakers, so this team is more than just a simple franchise to us. Despite that, I know the level of emotional attachment to the Lakers varies. For example, during the season, when I pointed out legit criticisms, bloggers would lose their minds. Now that I can see that the Lakers should be winning, those same bloggers are totally accepting, if not embracing, Laker losses.

I don't mind being out of sync in my attachment to Laker success. We're all individuals on this blog sharing a common bond. Like I said in an earlier post, what I hate is lost opportunity. Life passes you buy faster than you think, and our passion as fans will evaporate to nothing when Kobe retires. You think there is another Kobe on our horizon? No. So, what you are seeing now is fleeting. In about 4-5 years when Kobe moves on, our Lakers may not see success for decades on in.

Seize the moment, seize the moment, seize the moment. And when the opportunity is there, you must take it. Nothing gold shall stay, and it is this sentiment that drives my frustration more than anything else.

Just watched post game of Kobe and Jackson. How smug, pompous and arrogant can your head coach and franchise player be? Seriously. How about giving The Celtics credit for playing a better game last night. Jackson uses cryptic speech to basically say the Celtics flop in their 'animations' and weren't the better team. What would you call Gasol's magnificent flop in the waning moments of game 3 then Phil?? I hate the Lakers with a passion and can't wait till they get knocked down a couple of notches. Here's to the Celtics winning in 6 on the lakers floor. GO JAZZ!!!

Posted by: raydeohed | June 11, 2010 at 12:23 PM


If Kobe and Phillup starting giving credit to the Celtics they would be giving away their 9 rings and their existence.. my take:
- Phillup would have to give up his 6 rings that MJ gifted him and Chicago
- Phillup and Kobe would have to give up their 3 rings that SHAQ gifted them & LAKERS

To your comment on Celtics taking in 6 games.. I don't think Celtics can win.. not in 6 .. not in 7. But .. If they take Game 5 then I will change their odds.. And if they take one in LA then I guess they will make me a believer..

Celtics fans take one game at a time .. Celtics Players play every possession as your last possession like Game 4. Then maybe Celtics have a chance.

... Life passes you buy faster than you think, and our passion as fans will evaporate to nothing when Kobe retires. You think there is another Kobe on our horizon? No. So, what you are seeing now is fleeting. In about 4-5 years when Kobe moves on, our Lakers may not see success for decades on in.
Posted by: troy | June 11, 2010 at 12:41 PM

I disagree. I think Lakers will be able to build and make a championship team real quick. As long as they have Jerry Buss and West they will be able to entice talented players. LA has the edge because it has Hollywood and Showtime image ... You should thank MAGIC and RILEY for that. Also thank Worthy, Kareem, Cooper, West, and Scott as well..

What will make me like LAKERS again is when u rid of your SNAKE and your MERCENARY COACH .. one is fake italian wanna be gangsta gelatin and the other a potster hippy from NY ..

Can't wait for that to happen .. Lakers will overtake Celtics in number of championships.. i just don't want ur snake and pothead to do it.

Celtics u betta crush the garden snake .. i 'd love to see the garden snake traded to the clippers.. see what u can do their Kobe.. Phillup .. try turning that around.. harder to turn that around then the Swampa NETS...

Mamaba24,

It's always nice to have you set me straight! Perhaps it will continue to go W-L throughout. That'd be good W-L-W-L-W-L-W!

Well, we have 2 of 3 here, if need be.
Here's what needs to happen:
Kobe has to clean up his game; Great for 29 points, but he made at least 5 bad passes
Artest needs to plant himself low & hit the boards, take the alley oops from KB, JF or Fish & quit with all the 3's!
Lamar needs to just turn on whatever it is he turns on & play 4 quarters, not 1!
Pau needs to somehow put on 50 lbs.!
Drew, IF he can't hurt it worse, structurally, he needs to gut it out.
Sasha, Farmar & Brown need to find their shots, wherever they may be.
Luke needs some minutes.
Fish has to find Pau down low more often but Pau has to help & beat his defender to the position.

Then they may be ablke to come back needing only 1 of @

Now Lakers, bite the bullet, toughen up, establish early position down low, find your shots & hustle - get the loose balls!

Don't get me wrong, KB was not to blame for the loss as it was a team loss; no D in the 4th, few FG's in the 4th, no banging the boards in the 4th & entire game, etc. but he does have to be more careful with his passing

The reason Lakers lost: Celtics Bench looks for opportunities to win with energy, defense, ball movement, going after the ball & playing hard at both ends. The Laker bench looks for excuses for inconsistency instead of making the best opportunities that come their way. They are intimidated by 290 lb Glen Davis. Rondo bangs with the bigs for rebounds but Odom shows fear in his eyes when matched against heavier and quick thinking Davis, and does not secure the ball under pressure from light weight Rondo or Robinson. PJ has to get Mbenga or Artest to stop the physical beating Davis & Perkins are dishing out when Bynum is out. Time for Odom to stop talking after the game is lost about lack of ball movement, etc. Where is his bench leadership during the game, desire to fight for every possession and aggressive cuts to the basket demonstrated by Celtic's like Rondo, Robinson, Allens & Pierce??. Wake up Lakers, rebound, protect the ball, & reduce silly fouls/TOs & stop the Celtics from celebrating their 18th championsip at Staples!

Pau is such a flopper.


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