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Caught in the Web: Reactions to Lakers' 92-86 Game 5 loss to Boston

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Game stories

--The Times' Mike Bresnahan details how the Lakers were outmuscled, outhustled and outperformed by the Celtics in L.A.'s 92-86 Game 5 loss to Boston on Sunday.

--The Boston Globe's Julian Benbow credits the Celtics' teamwork.

--The Orange County Register's Kevin Ding believes that the Lakers' title hopes are slipping.

--The Riverside Press-Enterprise's Matt Calkins highlights how Kobe Bryant's big night contrasted with the poor efforts from the other Lakers.

--The Daily News' Elliott Teaford illustrates how the Lakers were no match for the Celtics.

Notebooks

--The Daily News' Teaford reports that Jordan Farmar's days with the Lakers could be numbered. Teaford also looks at Lamar Odom's bad night.

--The Riverside Press-Enterprise's Calkins details Andrew Bynum's struggling night.

Sidebars

--The Times' Bresnahan notes how the Lakers' frontline did very little in Game 5.

--The Times' Lisa Dillman looks at how Celtics forward Kevin Garnett outmatched Lakers forward Pau Gasol.

--The Times' Broderick Turner looks at how Lakers forward Ron Artest folded in the clutch.

--The Times' Baxter Holmes dissects Paul Pierce's strong performance.

--ESPN Boston's Chris Forsberg highlights how the Celtics managed to hone down defensively, despite Bryant's big scoring night.

--The Riverside Press-Enterprise's Gregg Patton looks at why Artest struggled.

Columns

--The Lakers' poor performance reminds The Times' Bill Plaschke of how the team played in the 2008 NBA Finals.

--The Times' T.J. Simers calls Bryant a ball hog.

--The Times' Mark Heisler blames the Lakers' loss on effort.

--Former Clippers Coach Mike Dunleavy argues in The Times that defense made the difference in Game 5.

--ESPN.com's J.A. Adande wants more from Bryant's supporting cast.

--The Daily News' Vincent Bonsignore says Bryant can't win a game on his own.

Bonsignore also notes that Bryant is still keeping his composure.

--The Orange County Register's Ding argues that it shouldn't be surprising Gasol choked in a pressure-filled game.

--ESPN Los Angeles' Arash Markazi argues that Odom and Artest are hurting the Lakers more than they are helping the team.

--ESPN Boston's Peter May likes Pierce's performance.

--ESPN Los Angeles' Dave McMenamin criticizes the Lakers' defense.

--The Orange County Register's Jeff Miller expresses astonishment at how poorly the Lakers played.

--The Riverside Press-Enterprise's Patton criticizes Bryant's teammates for not helping him out.

--ESPN.com's Chris Sheridan chalks up the Celtics' win to teamwork.

--The Orange County Register's Mark Whicker argues that the Lakers needed to help Bryant.

Blogs

--ESPN Los Angeles' Andy and Brian Kamenetzky detail how the Lakers imploded.

Tweet of the Day: "What was thrown at Lamar in the fourth quarter? Said Odom: "Looked like a vodka bottle." He could probably use one right now." -- Matt_Calkins (Riverside Press-Enterprise's Matt Calkins)

Best comment on who is the greatest Laker of all time: "I get what Kobe is saying. Magic beats the 80s Celtics. West couldn't beat the 60s Celtics. 80s and 60s are two different teams even if they wear the same uniforms. -- Tim-4-Show

Reader Comment of the Day: "Is anyone on this Laker team showing even the remotest quality of 'rising to the occasion'? As Kobe said in his post game interview, 'offense comes and goes' but the defensive effort of this team is woeful. Granted the Lakers aren't scoring in the 100's but they should be holding this team in the 80's easily. Again as Kobe said, it was layup after layup after layup after layup. 90% of defense is effort" -- You Ever Notice

-- Mark Medina

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Photo: Boston power forward Kevin Garnett elevates a little higher than Lakers power forward Pau Gasol to knock away a pass and create a turnover in Game 5 on Sunday. Credit: Wally Skalij / Los Angeles Times

 
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Kobe is obviously the best in the game but we will NOT win unless:

1) Lamar comes out of his Khloe-and-candy induced trance and starts to play like the man Buss shelled out the big bucks for. WAKE UP LAMAR! This is not mellow. This is not fun. This is tough Championship ball against the Celtics!

2) Artest stops dribbling and taking jump shots and instead focuses on stopping Pierce from dribbling and taking jump shots. Artest is our equivalent of Rodman with the Jackson/Jordan Bulls. Only Rodman played super-D and rebounded and DIDN'T dribble and take jump shots. Get it Ron????

Oh, and WHY in the name of God is Phil playing Sasha instead of Shannon Brown????? A switch there would help as well!

some fresh clam-chowder from MM

or is it airline FOOD for thoughts?

Now that school's out for summer, this clown, ouch, has way to much time on his hands! Maybe mom can sign him up for summer school. Maybe a paper route?


The playoffs, and especially these playoffs, attract casual viewers. These last few weeks, so many ex NBA fans have told me they've given up on the regular season because of it's length, and the fact that the players don't give playoff effort in the regular season like they did in the 80s and before.

OK. That can be argued but we're about to get a lesson in why you play the regular season. Game 7 at home.

We're still on serve and and at least 10 points better at home.
Welcome home, Lake show, it's about to get loud. GO Lakers!!!

Kobe can play great by himself, but unless he can get his team mates involved he will never be a great player.

According to the fast nationals, more than 16 million people saw the Lakers implode like the old Texas stadium. I guess America still loves a train wreck. Gotta do better on Tuesday.

Kobe needs to lead and not become a one man show, the reason Lakers lost last night, no ifs ands butts.

True and Great Leaders have innate ability to bring out the best in ordinary people during the time of adversity and Kobe painfully lacks in this department. I don't care how tough, baddest,greatest he is but if he can't lead his troop in battle field then he has failed and lost the battle and lives of his troope. In real battle field the stakes are higher as the onus is on the leader to lead his team to safety, no second chance. So we are only talking BB and Kobe has one chance to try again to lead.

Posted by: FAR SIDE | June 14, 2010 at 10:08 AM
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While I agree with a good portion of what you say to a certain extent... True and Great leaders DO have the ability to bring out the best, and here is where I DISAGREE with you, Kobe has shown his ability to make his teammates better(his MVP season, yes they lost to these Green Weenies, but you can't deny that he didn't show his leadership mettle). And not ONLY with the Lakers but let's look at what he did and meant for those he played with when Team USA reclaimed the Gold, then the Championship in '09 and all throughout this year(playing while injured). GREAT LEADERS lead from the FRONT, LEAD by EXAMPLE. You would think that after 3 years his teammates would know what is called for but... Some situations call for the LEADER to go ahead and take matters into his own hands and (to paraphrase 50 cent) GET RING, OR DIE TRYIN'!! And if seeing your LEADER do all that he can to keep you from losing, and you still can't GET UP to meet the challenge... If they can't motivate themselves in THE FINAL SERIES FOR ALL THE MARBLES then the onus is NOT on Kobe but to his teammates to prove and put into it what they have learned from him.

I believe that this TEAM can and WILL take the mantle from Kobe and put him on their backs for Game 6.

Posted by: HalosAnt | June 14, 2010 at 10:49 AM

Phillip, Cleamons, Shaw, Fish, Kobe- someone. IMPLORE pau-lamar-ron-drew to TRAP and/or DOUBLE Paul or Ray when they get the ball on screen and rolls. THEY DO NOT PASS.

REPEAT, THEY DO NOT PASS.

Time to make gangrene remember why Staples Center has been an opponent's house of HORRORS.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1seRoDHmOMw

LAKER FANS..... I AM CALLING YOU OUT!!!!!! WHEN BOSTON ARRIVES AT THE STAPLES CENTER IT NEEDS TO BE NO RESPECT FOR THEM!!! JUST LIKE THEY SAY "KOBE SUCKS" THEY SHOULD GET THE SAME THING EVERY TIME THEY SHOOT FREE THROWS. THE STAPLES CENTER CROWD HAS GOT TO GET THEIR LAKERS PUMPED AND SHOW BOSTON THEY TOO CAN CHEER WITH THE BEST OF THEM.........TWO GAMES IS ALL THEY GOT, TWO WINS AND THE TROPHY IS YOURS L.A.!!!!!

Dewey,

Your post is spot-on. And it's my favorite post of the day, thus far. Many kudos to you, and thanks for helping calm my nerves.

Two shots at redemption. Two games to lay it all on the line. I think our team will rise to the occasion.

Go Lake Show!

Good luck getting that crowd pumped up. All the true fans are in the cheap seats while the celebrities take up the front rows and are only there for show. There's no way Staples can ever be as loud and awesome as the Garden.

Ganapia

i'm tired of the excuse that Gasol is tired.

he was tired in OKC
he was tired in Game 3 against Phoenix - but he wanted more touches
he was tired in Game 4 against Phoenix - he pointed at Bynum that he thinks about boston
he was tired in Game 5 against Phoenix - he needed the TEAM more aggressive
he was tired in Game 6 against Phoenix - he sucked and he ran out of POINTING fingers

he was tired in Game 3 against Boston - just after saying that KG lost a step. KG had him for lunch
he was tired in Game 4 against Boston - Perkins and Baby had him for lunch
he was tired in Game 5 against Boston - he was just a leftover - no ONE wanted him for lunch

when will anyone just point out that especially on the ROAD and on home deciding games he is JUST SCARED AS ish and he is gutless??????????????

all the players of both teams r tired. it is a long season. SURVIVAL OF THE FITTEST?

I KNOW THAT U AND MOST OF THE BLOGGERS CONSIDER ME A GASOL HATER

but read the respected Kevin Ding

Facing road pressure, Gasol always small
http://www.ocregister.com/articles/small-253235-boston-faced.html

let's stop fluffing Gassy. no more excuses. all the breaks in the defense r his falts

he is the last one who jogs back on defense. some other players have to take care of his man. all the little guys like Nash and Rondo and Nate r waltzing on layups while he is watching. he is out-rebounded. and so on. rag doll. spineless jelly fish.

maybe if he wakes up from his delusion he will play BB on both ends of the floor. what kind of PF or C is that who plays farther and farther from the rim. what kind of triangle is when Gasol is at the 3 point line?

he is ONLY talk. hope he does the WALK. trust me. i want the LAKERS to win as much as any other "REAL" Lakers FAN.

ohhhhhhhhh. he is scared even at the FT line. by himself. most of the cases he makes ONLY 1 FT. the Memphis Choker is BACK. actually he is just the same.

MAYDAY... S.O.S..

lakers are on the brink of elimination.. emotions and anxiety is running extremely high.. plenty of bickering amongst our faithfuls..

i know optimism is extremely hard these days but lets keep it together! vent all you want but TRUE JUDGEMENT DAY should come after the series is over.. until then i'm tryin to remain as tightlipped as possible.

dont fret about game 5.. stern already had it scripted... hes gonna make sure he gets a game 7 and stern ALWAYS gets what he wants.. it would take a monumental choke in game 6 for lakers to lose and not force 7.. we are all just pawns so dont let stern control your lives your emotions and your livelihood..

KEEP THE FAITH!! ONE GAME AT A TIME.... winning 2 at home wont be easy but we will be favored both games...

After reading some dewey comments and seeing that I won my third RCOTD, maybe I have a glimmer of hope this morning, please consider:

In 2008 after the game 4 implosion (against a better Celts team than this, and a Celts team that dominated all season), the Lakers were down an insurmountable 1-3. The Celts could not close it up in Los Angeles - the Lakers dug deep and pulled one out on their home court.

So, this is what I know about the Lakers facing elimination on their own court.

Also consider last season, a game 7 against an inferior Rockets team.

So, in Los Angeles facing elimination, the Lakers are 2-0.

Let's just hope that they can find it within THEMSELVES (hint hint) to duplicate this record.

* if you still don't get the hint, the Lakers are their own worst enemies. If they conquer this, it is their own mediocrity that they conquer. And thus, it is the same for every man woman and child - this is what life is about: conquering the demons within.

Sad but true, it is becoming increasingly clear that Doc Rivers and Tom Thibodeaux are OUTCOACHING the pants off Jackson and his staff. Whereas the Celts are playing more as a team and with more confidence with each passing game the Lakers are being reduced to relying purely on Kobe Bryant's one-on-one brilliance.

Which makes it even sadder that while pretty much everyone agrees the Lakers have the better overall talents they FAILED miserably to fully maximize this pool of talents. Boston's coaching staff has continually coming up with new schemes and adjustments and what has Lakers' done?

Except for exhorting underperformers like Odom and Artest, Phil and his staff has come up with ZERO plan or adjustment to try to kick start them. Defensively while the Celts are getting better and better at shutting everyone not named Kobe down the Lakers' once decent defense is crumbling.

good news.. spreads announced.. lakers favored by 6.5 next game!!

just high enough so most of the betting money goes to the hot team and takes the celts.. lakers should cover and then vegas can cash in once again!

GO LAKERS!!

I agree with TJ Simers . This brat Kobe is a selfish me-first Ball Hog

God how I despise the man and I'm sure his team mates despise him too but obviously don't dare say so

If he breaks a leg and stops playing tomorrow I'll be the happiest person in the world because then my beloved Lakers will win

He's that stupid and arrogant that he cannot see whenever he's a volume shooter the Lakers lose

JJ

OK, I was a little despondent after last night's game. But, this morning I looked at the box score and a few things have restored my hope (that and my fanaticism and homerishness, of course):

1) The Celtics shot 56% from the field.
2) Their bigs pushed out bigs around late in the game.
3) Where is LO?
4) Bench, what bench?
5) The Lakers shot 36% from the field.
6) Celtics win by 6 *at home*.

So, I've concluded that whereas my initial panic was not unfounded, there is a place for cooler heads to go coming into game 6. If LA shoots 56% and holds the Craptics to 36% at Staples, you better believe that the winning margin would be at least 24 points (8 times last night's margin). If the Ceptics best game of the season, at home, gives them a net gain of just six points, it really does not bode well for their title hopes. At least not for game 6.

Whereas Doc Rivers has shown that he can make great in-game adjustments, PJ has shown that he makes better between-game adjustments. Those two tendencies will collide in game 6.

Whereas the Lakers play better at home, the Ceptics play better on the road. Those two tendencies will collide in game 6.

Whereas the Ceptics have better players 5-9, the Lakers have better players 1-6. Those two tendencies will collide in game 6.

Whereas the Lakers' D feed off of their O, the Craptics' O feeds off of their D. Those two tendencies will collide in game 6.

This series is what would happen in yen fought yang.

We will probably win game 6 pretty convincingly. But, don't expect any carry-very into game 7. Game 7 is going to be a very tough, bruising game.

--FEARless

Oppps! Make that 6 times last night's margin.

My bad.

--FEARless

Ooppps, again. FOUR times.

Wow! That's pretty bad.

--FEARless

To blame Gasol is utter stupidity. Pau has been pretty much himself against the whole Celtic front-line. He's had NO HELP whatsoever. He's been playing huge minutes against the physical Celtic big. Offensively he finally had a bad game in game 5 but he's been consistently just about the only one helping Kobe not just in the Final but throughout the PO.

And even for a bad game 5 he still pulled down 12 rebs 7 offensive. His teammates? Bynum had ONE, Artest had two. Only Odom remotely carried his weight in rebounding dept. with 8.

Utter stupidity indeed. Ask yourself where the Lakers would have been is it had not been for Pau Gasol?

The Lakers lack the bond as a team that the Celtics have. They are completely out of sync. Doc Rivers has done a fabulous job coaching this team to what could possibly be their second title in 3 years and he's done it with probably less talent than this LA team has (debatable). I am surprised after the lackluster performance of the Lakers that they are still favored for game 6. I guess home-court has a big impact on who's the favorite. If there is any truth to the conspiracy theory that the NBA will do whatever it can to make this go seven and maximize profit then you might just see the Celtics being called for every ticky tacky foul once again putting them in foul trouble which could render them ineffective. I think that the Celtics will play well enough to overcome preferrential officiating.

Kobe needs to lead and not become a one man show, the reason Lakers lost last night, no ifs ands butts.

True and Great Leaders have innate ability to bring out the best in ordinary people during the time of adversity and Kobe painfully lacks in this department. I don't care how tough, baddest,greatest he is but if he can't lead his troop in battle field then he has failed and lost the battle and lives of his troope. In real battle field the stakes are higher as the onus is on the leader to lead his team to safety, no second chance. So we are only talking BB and Kobe has one chance to try again to lead.

Posted by: FAR SIDE | June 14, 2010 at 10:08 AM

While your assessment of what a leader is and does is absolutely correct, you cannot say someone isn't that they have already proven that they are. Kobe has already been wildly successful at leading men, and these particular men. What we are seeing here is a failure to follow. Some people make poor followers, and can be led by no one. Some of these Lakers, at least on some nights, show that they cannot be lead into victory.

Last night's game was so easy. Three stops in the third while Kobe was blistering the net and the game is won. Period.

I still don't know why Farmar thinks he's a 3pt shooter.

I don't know why Artest thinks he's our primary ball handler.

I just don't know.

But, Jerry West and Isiah Thomas both experienced the exact same thing. Neither man's leadership is ever questioned. West even won Final's MVP while loosing for the only time in NBA history.

West, I believe is also the only man to do that twice. He was the Final Four MVP in college, too -- in a loosing effort.

Kobe was leading the charge in that third quarter. His com-padres where tripping over their own shoelaces.

--FEARless

DEFENSE LET US DOWN . . .

T.J. Simers once again performing his "red-rover, red-rover, send blankity-blank right over", childish, finger-pointing, hollow-point drivel.

It was NOT Kobe's "ball-hogging" that doomed the Lakers in Game 5, but rather the lack of "ball-hawking".

I can admit that while Kobe was exploding some Lakers were standing around and admiring the show. BUT, that "standing around" translated to the defensive end as well. For all of Kobe's heroics, the Lakers entered the 3rd period down 6 and exited it down 8.

Kobe's "ball-hogging" simply disguised the Lakers wilting on defense. It was NOT Kobe who let us down, but our TEAM DEFENSE.

Hopefully, lesson learned.

In the meantime, I advise that we all keep our distance from T.J. drivel. No
evidence that there is a cure for that malady.

Mike

Fearless
You think the Lakers will win game 6 pretty convincingly? What have you been watching? Your team has lost 3 out of 4 games. Last night was a blowout were it not for one man, Kobe. The defensive game of the Celtics wears teams down. Look how many Lakers have lost their confidence and are no longer aggressive: Pau, Odom, Artest, Fisher. And Bynum played over 31 minutes and scored 6 points and had one rebound. You have a lousy perimeter shooting team outside of Kobe and he isn't going to be a monster every night.
This is over tomorrow night, no way it goes 7 games.

Sorry Jay Jay, I can't ride with you on the Shannon-for-Sasha complaint. As the blog has been noting since listening to Dr. Jack R's radio analysis about the triangle--it is designed for spot-up shooters and LA is woefully in need of those. Sasha is one of their few.

Shannon, for his part, has looked like a deer in the headlights all series. He isn't spotting up, he is uncomfortable whenever he gets the ball and putting it on the floor. I think he is still a year away from kicking every situation in the ass (and he may not be here to prove that to us next year).

His dribbling is exactly what Phil and staff have been saying they don't want; what the Lakers need is ball movement and dribbling with purpose, which we have not been seeing.

The other thing that MUST happen--aside from everyone showing up with their A games--is that Phil does have to make adjustments in the offense. I am not sure that the way the triangle is being run is working since the paint is so packed. I'd like to see more isolations, P&R and post-up with Kobe in the low block and Pau at the foul line. Andrew needs to take Perkins to the weak side and let Kobe work on Ray Allen in the low post. That may not work a whole game, but it'll wear on Allen, create potential foul trouble, and get the C's more unbalanced in the middle. They are simply mucking the half court up too much.

Oh--and LA needs to get back to running like they did some against OKC and the Suns. There's nothing wrong with scoring in early offense.

Anyway, back to the original point: I like Sasha in there at this point. He missed a shot, but came right back and hit his next one yesterday. He is not one who is going to simply disappear and he does try to keep offensive continuity--unlike Jordan F. and Shannon B.

JJ,

Volume Shooter is someone who shoots around 40% and must jack up as many shots as points scored. Kobe scored 38 points on only 27 shots. That is NOT volume shooting. That is efficient scoring.

Look at the box. The other players had shots, and plenty of them. They just didn't go in. 36% shooting is what they did, and this is factoring in Kobe's near 50% shooting performance. Without Kobe, they were even more pathetic. You can't claim that Kobe is the reason they lost if they were collectively shooting less than about 30%. Giving them more shots isn't the answer, at least not last night.

But, even with all that said; three stops in the third and the Lakers win anyway.

--FEARless

Utter stupidity indeed. Ask yourself where the Lakers would have been is it had not been for Pau Gasol?
Posted by: Psycorp | June 14, 2010 at 11:28 AM

Its Kobe's team and he cannot have Gasoft taking any credit. To build his legacy he put 19 in one quarter and then turns around blaming his teammates. Teammates got ice cold and left out... then he says.. Man up and Play.. LOL!

its more like .. Watch me Play.. while u defend, rebound, and all the dirty work.. give me the ball on top ... i will jack 3's .. make 15 fters.. look all so great..

Great post FEARless, The Scarecrow (Pau) the Tin man (Thriller) and the Cowardly Lion (LO), maybe we can switch Pau and LO they’re basically the same. I can't forget the Munchkins (Bench). I believe in you that you can make it happen over the next two games. My heart tells me WE"VE GOT THIS, and the UNIVERSE DON"T LIKE EVIL. Bring it home boys; let's make this CHAMPIONSHIP NICE.

Great post FEARless, The Scarecrow (Pau) the Tin man (Thriller) and the Cowardly Lion (LO), maybe we can switch Pau and LO they’re basically the same. I can't forget the Munchkins (Bench). I believe in you that you can make it happen over the next two games. My heart tells me WE"VE GOT THIS, and the UNIVERSE DON"T LIKE EVIL. Bring it home boys; let's make this CHAMPIONSHIP NICE.

What I find funny about the pundits and sports columnists is that they completely buy into one game momentum swings and group-think. They are worse than us fans!

Watch, when we win tomorrow, it's going to be articles about how old the Celtics are, how home teams usually win Game 7's, etc. Lakers have all the momentum and so forth. We could all write the articles right now (in fact, I'm convinced most sportswriters just cut and paste from previous years and then do some minor rewrites to account for specifics). Don't buy any of it.

The Celtics won't all of the sudden become bad after losing tomorrow, just like the Lakers situation isn't hopeless because they lost 2 of 3 on the road. Neither is the truth.

Here's the truth: Boston got their last win of the season last night. They aren't winning another game in L.A.

Bet the house on it.

CeltsInSix,

It's NOT the bond as a team that the Lakers have less than the Celtics. It's the MENTAL TOUGHNESS that is the Lakers' weak point. That's what happens when you have a coach that believes in all the touchy-feely Zen craps. Despite the superior talent the Lakers are looking intimidated and confused when confronted by Celtics' aggressiveness and intensity.

Thanks to Jackson's touchy-feely Zen crap, Bynum and Odom NEVER became the kind of beast in spite of their physical gift and talent. Even former tough man Artest has mellowed out under his wacko basketball philosophy.

Let the players figure it out for themselves huh? So who else have seemed to figure it out beside Kobe, Fisher and Gasol (bless his intelligence since it didn't take him that long)?

HalosAnt:

Sure Kobe’s faction can make arguments about his leadership, even his winning the only MVP for some reason was not satisfying, and it was an iffy for me. I can’t see using Olympics as an example of his leadership, his team mates were equally good, therefore he did not have to worry about them except for himself to play hard and focus on defense.
I look at Kobe’s leadership not from him scoring, him being the best, him being unstoppable, him being the best closer, him winning games but from a very simple standpoint, intangibles, how do his team mates really feel about playing along side him, and, if they could REALLY voice their opinion what would they say? To me this would be the ultimate litmus test which we will never find out but the debates and opinions will continue rage on. One thing for sure, as an observer from distance, I see the “IT” missing from leadership but on the surface it all looks good to unsuspecting eyes.

So in conclusion I do not expect Kobe to transform into something he is not, but it could be detrimental to his legacy, without his leadership he is not going to lead his team to victory when the battles gets fierce.

To blame Gasol is utter stupidity.
Psycorp

To support Gasol is total ignorance: maybe you should read some analysis and stop reading the BOX score

http://www.ocregister.com/articles/small-253235-boston-faced.html

"Facing road pressure, Gasol always small"

i'm bashing Gasol because i have expectations. i'm bashing Gasol because he is considered by some the MVP. the most consistent player on the team. the TEAM is 2-3 on the brink of losing the finals

sounds more like a loser and choker not MVP

did U ever seen Gasol taking over a game or carrying the TEAM?
he wants touches BUT he passes out to the 3 point line??????
when the offense is through him, there is overpassing.
in 2 games in the Phoenix series and in 3 games in the finals, with Gasol on the bench, the Lakers gained momentum.
watch the games again.

And JJLong with the false cause fallacy.

JJ, go look it up on the web. False cause.

Correlation does not equal causation. In fact, I'd argue your point in reverse - Lakers losing so Kobe starts gunning. If they're already losing, then of course there's a high correlation to shots & losing. Last night, helped a ton, but eventually others have to knock down open looks and wide open free throws.

nobody mentioned this stat...but here is is: Lakers missed 9 FTs!! those were abosulute gimmies! and we lost by 6 points!!!! now u see where the game is lost??

I have a suggestion for for lakers defense on game 6. Let Pau guard Pierce. Pau can disrupt him with his long hands. Let bynum guard Garnett. Bynum can stop him easily with his bog body. Let Artest guard Perkins. I know this is not a good matchup. But since artest has large body he can at least disrupt perkins somwhat. Besides we can live with a big game from perkins if we can stop Pierce and Garnett!

Again, even though it seems we played the worst game, we lost the game from the missed FT's!!!!!

Please point this stat to all the lakers players. THey shouldnt feel bad. THey should try hard, attack the baskett and make the FT's./ I am sure, the referries will few calls on our side.

Besides, JJ, the Lakers play their best when Kobe is taking in the range of 18-24 shots. He took 27 last night, and that included 5 or 6 desperation shots near the end (which he kept drilling until that very last one). So, he was on pace to take the correct number of shots to put the Lakers in the position to win. Before you say something so hateful, please know the facts. Last night was everything BUT a volume shooting/ball hogging/selfish/whatever night for Kobe.

30% shooting is 30% shooting. It is what it is. His team mates could not shoot last night. Giving them MORE shots? That is your answer for last night? Not good at math, are you?

Try this, replace every one of Kobe's shots with any team mate you want. Take into account their %, and you will clearly see that giving anyone else in a Lakers uniform more shots last night would have resulted in a blowout.

Why would you not hate LO for not earning his exorbitant pay? How about Farmar for never running the offense? Or thinking he's a shooter?

How about Sasha for not knowing the difference between pesky defense and fundamental defense?

--FEARless

What were the lines in Vegas on games 2 & 3? Guessing they got these wrong.

Certainly it's good news when LV puts the line in our favor (they don't make a killing by perpetual incompetence) - but still have to show up.

Also agree on Sasha the machine vs. Shannon Brown. You'll notice, I didn't call out the machine on my "heads will roll call"

Nah i sense a real feeling of brotherhood and comrodery within the Celtics that I dont see in the Lakers. Perhaps that's because they've speant so much time frustrated over the last couple of games.

Farmar thinks he's a 3pt shooter, um, probably because he is?

Who's leading the Lakers in 3pt % this season?

Give you a hint, also leading 3pt % of the playoffs.

If there's anyone that should be out there to stretch the D, it's... guess who

I'm not feeling too optimistic this morning. Boston is probably the only team in the league that could beat the Lakers, but that's the team we're facing. Nobody else can play this kind of physical style, and there is nothing that the Lakers can to to "adjust" to it as long as Phil Jackson is the coach.

With Phil, we are running the triangle offense come Hell or high water. Of course, the triangle provides virtually no leeway for adjustments because it is not designed to feature a particular player. Instead, the triangle is designed to get open shots. Can anyone argue that the triangle is NOT working in that regard? The Lakers are getting a TON of open shots. The problem is that those shots are being made available to the likes of Ron Artest, Fisher, and Pau (from 18 feet).

This has always been the weakness of the triangle. It gets you open shots, but against a good defense those shots go to the offense's worst shooter. A few years back, that was Luke Walton.

If we had a different coach, without the commitment to the triangle, we could make the kinds of adjustments that Doc Rivers made two games ago to get his best scorer going. Most teams can adjust their offense to attack defensive weakness (like players in foul trouble), but you can't do that with the triangle, and it is why the Lakers so often settle for long jumpers when they have low post defenders in foul trouble who should be attacked (because they are unlikely to contest shots to risk another foul, or because they WILL contest and WILL pick up another foul).

Win or lose this series, I really think it is time for a new coach who will improve his players, instill a sense of passion, and make appropriate adjustments. We aren't getting any of that with PJ....

FEARLESS and TIM-4-SHOW . . .

Excellent posts guys!

Mike

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I HAVE FAITH, WIN 2 AT HOME IS WHAT WE’LL DO
THEN WILL GET A RING FOR YOU – BANDWAGON
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(00) PHIL JACKSON - 10RINGS - It's basically defending HOME COURT. That is the way it's suppose to be , isnt it?
(01) 2PHATT – OWNER – I have Faith in the next two at home Stop worrying Wes, WE GOT THIS
(02) FAITH – DRIVER - I am FAITH & I have FAITH
(03) JUSTANOTHERMAMBAFAN – RIDING SHOTGUN -
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(48) DAXMDD - Lakers will bounce back in 6 & 7. The Bench will have a monster game.
(49) HOPALONG
(50) BONEZ - It's really funny how the laker blog is like a big rollercoaster ride... we win and we are on a HIGH...we lose and the world is on top of us!
All the real laker fans will show there true colors in moments like this and support the team. We played ok for the 3 road games had a chance to steal both we lost but ran out of gas. I still expect us to beat them quite easy in game 6 tho. For all the pierce is better than Kobe head to head talk... it isn't him who is killing us. Their bench has played really well at home (ours has disappeared on the road) and that will be nullified once we get back home. Our starting 5 is better and has how played their starting 5. I expect this to continue....ohh... Lakers your 2010 champs!
(51) NEWMEXICOLAKERLIFER - They won their two at home and one here, now it's our turn for some HOME COOKING. Our laker's respond very well when our backs are against the wall.We've got the greatest coach and the greatest player, and with that we will win it all. Go Laker's. we all are behind you!!!
(52) MALAM69 - nobody mentioned this stat...but here is is: Lakers missed 9 FTs!! those were abosulute gimmies! and we lost by 6 points!!!! now u see where the game is lost??Again, even though it seems we played the worst game, we lost the game from the missed FT's!!!!!Please point this stat to all the lakers players. THey shouldnt feel bad. THey should try hard, attack the baskett and make the FT's./ I am sure, the referries will few calls on our side.
(53) YELLOWFEVER - know optimism is extremely hard these days but lets keep it together! vent all you want but TRUE JUDGEMENT DAY should come after the series is over.. until then i'm tryin to remain as tightlipped as possible.
dont fret about game 5.. stern already had it scripted... hes gonna make sure he gets a game 7 and stern ALWAYS gets what he wants.. it would take a monumental choke in game 6 for lakers to lose and not force 7.. we are all just pawns so dont let stern control your lives your emotions and your livelihood..
KEEP THE FAITH!! ONE GAME AT A TIME.... winning 2 at home wont be easy but we will be favored both games...

Check Ron Borges column in the Boston Herald. He says the Celtics like a dogfight while the Lakers like a poodle parade. If that doesn't say it all I don't know what does.\
Celts in 6.

JJ,

You are classless, what Laker fan wishes injury on their best player? How do you call yourself a Laker fan? You have no business here, get the hell out of here you sick person.

Don't get your panties in a bunch fellas. Both teams have done exactly what they were "suppose" to do. Lakers still hold home court advantage. Yes none of us wanted this thing coming back to LA, and especially not down 3-2. We will win Game 6, and then it's so on for Game 7. I will take the home team, with the best player in the universe - any day of the year.

I hope we can now end the insufferable whining about the Lakers not having Bynum in 2008. Yeah, a 21 year old kid who scored 6 points yesterday, would have prevented a 39 point blowout in 2008!!! I hope Bynum plays 48 minutes tomorrow so the Celtics can prove that our best is better than your best.

NO EXCUSES ANYMORE YOU WEST COAST WHINERS

t_sensei,

Pardon the pun but you made a lot of t_senses! I also like Sasha more than Brown and Farmar at this point. Sasha brings unbound energy on defense, something the Lakers lack even worse than offense right now. His shooting at the worst, can't be worse than Brown's and Farmar's. My main complaint against Sasha used to be dumb fouls but he has seemed to greatly improved on that. Against the clogging Celts defense Sasha's ability to spread the floor is needed more than ever.

Have the patience to put Sasha in and leave him in. He might at first miss but with enough attempts I believe he will start to hit and be able to spread the floor out so Kobe and Pau can be effective.

As a side note how the heck did the Lakers come to this point, too many mediocre bench guards and not enough (serviceable) bench bigs? that is since Mbenga and Powell are not NBA worthy (according to Phil) to play and Luke is barely worth stepping out onto the floor?

Your point of early offense is also very good. I remember in one of the previous serie (I think it was Phoenix or was it OKC) the Lakers suddenly decided to not ALWAYS take their sweet time to set up their stupid triangle and it worked beautifully. Against this Celts defense they should try that again.

Why wait for the Celts defense to take their sweet time to set up? we've all seen how stiflingly effective it can be and that once it is set up just about the only guy who can break it is Kobe? except for Rondo the rest of the Celts are not exactly young guns either.

PS: It's not that I think Farmar and Brown are worthless without useful skill that can contribute, it's just that under Phil's system these two will ALWAYS not being fully utilized.

MAMBA24:

Please add Ouchhhh and Hobbit on the bandwagon.

The problem is not that the Lakers can't beat the Celtics. The problem is that the lakers player don't think they can. All along, I've felt that this team has the power to beat the celtics, but when times get tough they fold. Maybe this was becuase they were playing 3 games in Boston, but mentally they need to snap out of this by tomorrow. They need to all start believing again just like us fans believe in them. Hopefully, tomorrow will be a break out game, and about 3-4 people can start playing well together. Have you noticed, none of the Lakers have had GREAT games with one another? We are due for one, and I think coming home will favor us. If you guys noticed, the smile on Lamar's face postgame seemed priceless when he was talking about coming home. I have a feeling he will play much better. It's not about doing it folks, it's about believing you can do it. It's time to turn this ship around real quick! I believe, do you?

Kevin,

The proof is obviously in the pudding. There will be a game 7. Every time the Lakers loose a game, people around the NBA assume that it is a trend. One three-game loosing streak in over two years? Come on, man! This is not a team that goes on loosing streaks. It just simply doesn't happen.

I'll see you again on Wednesday and we can discuss this some more.

--FEARless

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I HAVE FAITH, WIN 2 AT HOME IS WHAT WE’LL DO
THEN WILL GET A RING FOR YOU – BANDWAGON
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(01) PHIL JACKSON - 10RINGS - It's basically defending HOME COURT. That is the way it's suppose to be , isnt it?
(02) KOBE BRYANT – THE BLACK MAMBA - Just man up and play. What the hell is the big deal? I don't see it as a big deal. If I have to say something to them, then we don't deserve to be champions. We're down 3-2, go home, win one game, go into the next one. Simple as that.
(03) 2PHATT – OWNER – I have Faith in the next two at home Stop worrying Wes, WE GOT THIS
(04) FAITH – DRIVER - I am FAITH & I have FAITH
(05) JUSTANOTHERMAMBAFAN – RIDING SHOTGUN -
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(54) JAC - The problem is not that the Lakers can't beat the Celtics. The problem is that the lakers player don't think they can. All along, I've felt that this team has the power to beat the celtics, but when times get tough they fold. Maybe this was becuase they were playing 3 games in Boston, but mentally they need to snap out of this by tomorrow. They need to all start believing again just like us fans believe in them. Hopefully, tomorrow will be a break out game, and about 3-4 people can start playing well together. Have you noticed, none of the Lakers have had GREAT games with one another? We are due for one, and I think coming home will favor us. If you guys noticed, the smile on Lamar's face postgame seemed priceless when he was talking about coming home. I have a feeling he will play much better. It's not about doing it folks, it's about believing you can do it. It's time to turn this ship around real quick! I believe, do you?
(55) PURPLE HEART - Don't get your panties in a bunch fellas. Both teams have done exactly what they were "suppose" to do. Lakers still hold home court advantage. Yes none of us wanted this thing coming back to LA, and especially not down 3-2. We will win Game 6, and then it's so on for Game 7. I will take the home team, with the best player in the universe - any day of the year.

Far Side,

you wrote: Kobe needs to lead and not become a one man show, the reason Lakers lost last night, no ifs ands butts.

True and Great Leaders have innate ability to bring out the best in ordinary people during the time of adversity and Kobe painfully lacks in this department. I don't care how tough, baddest,greatest he is but if he can't lead his troop in battle field then he has failed and lost the battle and lives of his troope. In real battle field the stakes are higher as the onus is on the leader to lead his team to safety, no second chance. So we are only talking BB and Kobe has one chance to try again to lead.

my response:

With respect, you are wrong. MJ couldn't bring out the best in an ordinary
guy like Kwame Brown. That's because Kwame Brown wasn't very good.
D-Wade couldn't bring out the best in Smush Parker. That's because Smush
wasn't very good.

Last night, I spent time with a Celtics fan and we watched the press
conferences. We watched the highlights of the game.

This is what came across, this is what the basketball pundits said & this
is what the Celtics fan concluded:

1. Phil Jackson got out-coached last night. It is the *COACH'S* responsibility
to come up with a game plan and to inspire his players to play. Doc Rivers
called better timeouts. He managed the game better. He had a better game
plan. He had a better defensive scheme. He's developed his bench better, as
shown by the # of minutes they played and compared with the # of minutes
the Lakers bench played.

2. The body language of the Lakers throughout the game was defeated. Pau,
Bynum & LO did *NOT* fight for position in the paint. The Celtics out
hustled the Lakers.

3. Every Laker, not named Kobe, shot like crap. I earlier post a link to a
box score b/n the Bulls & the Jazz. All season long, D-Fish & Artest & LO
& various other members of the bench have shot 30% or less on any given
night. I have pointed this out for months. Educate yourself. Go back and
start looking at box scores from November of 2009.

I would like some honest answers from you:

Is it Kobe's fault that Pau Gasol opened his fat mouth and talked about
KG's explosiveness? Do you think that Pau consults Kobe before he
talks to the media?

Where were you last year, when the Lakers won a championship? Kobe's
leadership was the same then as it has been this year? Why is this year Kobe's
fault?

Who told Ron Artest not to shoot? Kobe or Phil Jackson?

Who has been calling out his players in the news, Kobe or Phil?

Is it Kobe's fault that D-Fish has been shooting 3-9 for the entire season?

Is it Kobe's fault that Pau, D-Fish & LO all said they were playing lackadaisical?

Is it Kobe's fault that when Kobe went out, they *ALL* indicated they needed
to play harder?

Your only chance is to win tomorrow. The Celtics HAD to win the last 2 games after losing game 3 and they knew it and did it. They do NOT want to go to a game 7 on your home court. They will play their hearts out tomorrow to win. If Artest, Odom and Bynum do what they did yesterday and not show up again then this could honestly be a Celtics blowout. I know you don't think that is possible in Staples but it is. Doc has gotten them to play their best in each must win game. Phil Jackson shows no passion or fire. What were his great coaching tips? The Celtics always choke in the 4th qtr guys!! I think not.

After the two losses in OKC the blog goes nuts with criticism.
Ditto after the 2 losses in Phoenix.

Last night and todays posts show criticism of every Laker who has played this series as well as PJ. Some of it is justified to an extent but most of it is just plain irrational.

We have bloggers criticizing other bloggers, all of them supposedly Laker fans who claim to be more right.

We even have Laker fan bloggers who classify other bloggers into their own little made up categories to make themselves seem somehow above or better than everyone else or just because they get an ego boost from creating dissension.

I don't count the Celts fans who come here to gloat and ridicule, who show no class, that's to be expected.

It would be quite the experience if all the Laker fans here went out together to watch a game. It would probably end up in fist fights galore, or at least a shouting match of epic proportions.

Hey Celtic trolls, you don't even need to come here.
Laker fans do a good enough job themselves attacking each other and attacking the players on the team they are supposed to want to win.
Attacking a team that has gone to 3 consecutive Finals appearances.
Attacking a team that gets to play the last 2 games of the series at home.

Do you idiots want the Lakers to lose to prove your point?

Geez people, can't you even wait for the Lakers to lose before you go apeshit over the teams play.

IF they lose, go for it, and at that point I'll have some criticism of my own.

But for now, I am thinking, Go Lakers and kick some of that disgusting Celtic butt.


>>>Kobe can play great by himself, but unless he can get his team mates
>>>involved he will never be a great player.

Absolute and complete lame statement by another Kobe hater (like Simers).

Listen up haters:

Kobe TRIED to pass off to his teammates for the whole first half and they stunk it up.

Kobe didn't take Pau's first 11 shots and miss 7 of them. He didn't take and miss Artest's shots or Fisher's shots either. All three of those guys shot like crap.

Kobe didn't brick an easy layup in the 4th quarter and then brick 2 free throws to compound the problem. Artest did that.

Kobe didn't stand and watch as Nate Robinson strolled down the lane for a layup as Farmar was being screened out by KG, Lamar did that. Note that when Farmar went down the lane, Nate fouled him hard to prevent the layup. Lamar could easily have done the same to Nate, but he played like suck instead. Lamar pointed the finger at Sasha - implying that Sasha should leave Ray Allen wide open in the corner to come pick up Nate - wrong answer. Just a terrible defensive play by Lamar. Oh, and by the way, any time they switched Lamar onto Pierce, it was a guaranteed wide open shot by Pierce. Lamar's defense was terrible. He did get some good rebounds, and made some shots, but he was one of the worst on defense.

This whole "Kobe is a ball hog" argument is nonsense. In the third quarter, Kobe saw that the Celtics were pulling away, and his teammates were lying down and taking it. He took over for the rest of the quarter and kept his team close enough that they at least had a chance to try a comeback in the fourth. If Kobe just kept passing to Artest and Odom and Pau laying bricks, the Lakers would have been down by 25 at the start of the 4th and the game would have been over.

Yes, Kobe made some mistakes, but he played hard and got almost no help from his teammates. Their defense allowed Boston to shoot 56%, which is ludicrous. Pau missed a free throw in the 4th quarter and Ron Artest missed THREE free throws in the fourth quarter. If those guys just make their freebies, the Lakers would have had it down to 2 points with a minute left. If Pau had shot his usual 50%+ shooting, then the Lakers would have had a LEAD at the end (regardless of the missed free throws).

But Pau and Artest failed. They didn't do their job. Kobe tried to work overtime to get the TEAM job done, but he wasn't enough.

Normally, when one Laker has a bad night, someone else steps up to make up for them. So if Pau has an off night, then maybe they get something extra from Lamar or from Drew or from Artest or from Fisher. Last night, EVERY LAKER EXCEPT Kobe laid an egg. To be fair, Fisher played well in the first quarter, keeping them from falling behind early.

At home, I expect everyone to step up so that Kobe doesn't NEED to take over to keep them in the game.

And hopefully once the Lakers finish off the Celtics in 7, all these trolls will go back to troll-land where they belong.

LOL Poodle Parade.. haha Chihuahua Parade.. down Figueroa Street

THIS is UR TRIANGULAR COACH PHILLUP:

"This team (Boston Celtics) has lost more games in the fourth quarter than anybody in the NBA. They know how to lose in the fourth quarter. They're just showing us that now."

He Should Add this for Game 6:

"I have won 10 Rings (ignore the fact I had MJ and SHAQ for 9 of them) .. but none the less 10 Rings. I have a 47-0 record when I win Game 1. Believe in the great TRIANGLE I made (ERRR Tex Winters) and top of the Triangle is KOBE. Well Kobe is the triangle. This should get u over Boston's D because it has gotten me 10 rings. (1-2 ahem ahem ... last couple times.. since MJ and SHAQ left) .. but 10 rings none the less... Go get em Tiger!"

ops Tigers.. no not tigers (after tiger wood episode.. not good for kobe since he got caught also) .... .. better name .. chihuahua's.. hollywood chihuahua's in da Prada bags!

I have to agree with Hobbit there about the coaching.

How is it even possible for the squad to bring their C game on two days rest after a week of being there, able to practice at TD for crying out loud, in a game 5 where there's not going to be any surprises at all.

NO EXCUSE for this unless the order came from Dr Buss himself

And if you comprehend that last sentence, it's the only *possible* good thing out of all this - and it's NOT worth it

Zen,

Gracias.

Yeah i don't think Phil Jackson is any kind of mastermind. He has just alway's had insanely good players. He has been outcoached this series for sure. I mean that brilliance that poured from his arrogant mouth in the 4th about the Celtics knowing how to loose in the 4th quarter. Is that any way to coach. How about working on a stradegy.. Oh yeah live and die by the Triangle.

A couple more complaints (since we are in the bash-in-order-to-support-mode):

I understand Kobe sloughing off Rondo and forcing him to be a jump shooter, but that also allows Rondo the time for Allen to run the baseline and take full advantage of those crunching picks; it also allows KG time to get his low-post position on Pau. I'd like to see Kobe pick Rondo up higher and force him to a side -- push him away from the lane, but also force him to make decisions earlier or on the Laker schedule. Don't allow the Cs to have everything on their terms.

The other point is that about Jordan. I actually have always believed in his POTENTIAL--to fit in and be productive for this team; and I still might. But not this year. If he stays, fine, I will support him and hope that he can figure out a way to be productive in our future (whether it is Phil's system or something more NBA-like).

That said, he is currently a 50-50 (0r probably more like 40-60 guy): for every 3 he is going to hit, he is also going to miss an assignment that is going to lead to a drive-by where a big is going to pick up a foul. Tim-4-Show, I understand that your argument about his productivity is based on stats, but can you really say that he has been anything more than a 50-50 guy (at best) in this Boston series? He may be an offensive threat, but he is a defensive liability.

And, more: guys like Robinson -- their eyes light up when they see Jordan in front of them. He is a confidence booster for the other side, so I say less of him is more for LA at this point.

Lakers are a dysfunctional team; let's face it!

Odom wants to collect millions for "just a game". This attitude personifies the whole team lot including the coaching staff.

The coaching staff does not prepare the team for the different challenges they may face. They do not prepare the bench to provide relief for the regulars.
Two years since the massacre in Boston, Lakers face the same issues. However, Dr Buss has the highest payroll in the NBA!

It is about time Dr. Buss holds all of them accountable for their performance. Get rid of the jokers interested in Reality TV instead working for their pay cheque.

Lakers need a hardnosed coaching team. Get ride of the pretenders who collect millions of dollars for warming their seats.

Enough is Enough!
Get rid of the mediocres!

Let us return to the tradition of EXCELLENCE!

LTILF-

What is the Laker record now in Boston since '08? Is it still 5-1. Not sure how you came up with the 5 wins. Can you enlighten me with your vast knowledge.

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I HAVE FAITH, WIN 2 AT HOME IS WHAT WE’LL DO
THEN WILL GET A RING FOR YOU – BANDWAGON
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(00) PHIL JACKSON - 10RINGS - It's basically defending HOME COURT. That is the way it's suppose to be , isnt it?
(01) KOBE BRYANT – THE BLACK MAMBA - KOBE BRYANT: Just man up and play. What the hell is the big deal? I don't see it as a big deal. If I have to say something to them, then we don't deserve to be champions. We're down 3-2, go home, win one game, go into the next one. Simple as that.
(02) DERRICK FISHER – DFISH – we not gone hang our heads & cry about a defeat. We gone take it Tuesday so we can give us a chance to win a Championship Thursday
(03) 2PHATT – OWNER – I have Faith in the next two at home Stop worrying Wes, WE GOT THIS
(04) FAITH – DRIVER - I am FAITH & I have FAITH
(05) JUSTANOTHERMAMBAFAN – RIDING SHOTGUN -
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(56) PSYCHED LAKERGIRL - WE STILL GOT THIS!

Dewey,

I totally agree with you. All we have been hearing is how Pau is the "best big man in the game today." Now, all of the sudden the C's are the hot team, we suck, blah blah blah blah blah. I'm so sick of the media.

Anything can happen but as always, my money and my heart are on the Lakers.

GO LAKERS!

ouch,

While I agree that sometimes Pau overpassed it is also wrong to expect him to carry the team. I for one never said he deserves to be MVP. Pau is also not Kobe, Lebron, Wade nor is he Shaq (in his prime). You can count on with the fingers on your hand how many players in this league who can "carry" his team by himself. It's still a TEAM game and especially with bigs, who do not operate freely on the perimeter they can always be easily stopped with double-team in the post.

Maybe you didn't notice but occasionally when Pau tried to force the issue he turned the ball over because he was pressured by double team. It will always be a difficult decision for a low post player to know when to attack and when to pass it out. Nevertheless the Lakers still need to go through him as much as possible to make their stupid inside-out triple offense work.

Pau is not perfect and not without his faults but there are plenty of other Laker who deserve blame more than him.

I don't know what kind of (unrealistic) expectation you have of Pau. Remember where the Lakers were before life-with-Gasol? How about looking at his counterpart on the Celts, do you think Celtics fan expected the same from the great Kevin Garnett as you from Gasol and blame him for all their shortcomings?

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I HAVE FAITH, WIN 2 AT HOME IS WHAT WE’LL DO
THEN WILL GET A RING FOR YOU – BANDWAGON
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(00) PHIL JACKSON - 10RINGS - It's basically defending HOME COURT. That is the way it's suppose to be , isnt it?
(01) KOBE BRYANT – THE BLACK MAMBA - KOBE BRYANT: Just man up and play. What the hell is the big deal? I don't see it as a big deal. If I have to say something to them, then we don't deserve to be champions. We're down 3-2, go home, win one game, go into the next one. Simple as that.
(02) DERRICK FISHER – DFISH – we not gone hang our heads & cry about a defeat. We gone take it Tuesday so we can give us a chance to win a Championship Thursday
(03) 2PHATT – OWNER – I have Faith in the next two at home Stop worrying Wes, WE GOT THIS
(04) FAITH – DRIVER - I am FAITH & I have FAITH
(05) JUSTANOTHERMAMBAFAN – RIDING SHOTGUN -
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(56) PSYCHED LAKERGIRL - WE STILL GOT THIS!
(57) HOBBITMAGE
(58) OUCHHHH

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I still don't know why Farmar thinks he's a 3pt shooter.
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--FEARless

Posted by: FEARless | June 14, 2010 at 11:38 AM
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Unlikely as it may seem, Jordan is actually our best 3pt shooter during these playoffs: 20 of 48 (42.4 %). That's better than Pierce (38.9%) or Ray Allen (39.1%) or Kobe (39.7%) during these playoffs.

Captain Jack,

Your Doc Rivers pulled his best impersonation of a Mark Cuban and, crying and sniffling, sent film into the league's office complaining about all the fouls that weren't called.

Guess no one's perfect, huh?

ONE heart (FISHER), ONE Leg (Bynum), ONE WILL (KOBE), and ONE GREAT FAN (Jack)!!!


is all it takes to WIN GAME 6 and 7 at Staples Center!


I will not depend on Gasol, Odom or Artest anymore! I don't care if they show up or not, better if they do not suit up, I will prefer Mbenga, Powell and Walton more than these three no show in crucial games!

Sorry, Jordan's 3pt stats should have been 20 of 48 (41.7%)

It took 6 games to knock off the best team, Cleveland. It took 6 games to knock off the second best team, Orlando. The Lakers are the third best team, why would it take more than 6 games?

Bres' headline: Lakers need a home run.

That kind of thinking is the problem --waiting for someone to hit a home run..

I hope we're not back to the "flip the switch" mentality...

I hate watching Boston play at such a high level "as a team".

I'm still believing.. Justa's mantra: WE GOT THIS!

All will be answered in 30 hours.

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I HAVE FAITH, WIN 2 AT HOME IS WHAT WE’LL DO
THEN WILL GET A RING FOR YOU – BANDWAGON
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(00) PHIL JACKSON - 10RINGS - It's basically defending HOME COURT. That is the way it's suppose to be , isnt it?
(01) KOBE BRYANT – THE BLACK MAMBA - KOBE BRYANT: Just man up and play. What the hell is the big deal? I don't see it as a big deal. If I have to say something to them, then we don't deserve to be champions. We're down 3-2, go home, win one game, go into the next one. Simple as that.
(02) DERRICK FISHER – DFISH – we not gone hang our heads & cry about a defeat. We gone take it Tuesday so we can give us a chance to win a Championship Thursday
(03) 2PHATT – OWNER – I have Faith in the next two at home Stop worrying Wes, WE GOT THIS
(04) FAITH – DRIVER - I am FAITH & I have FAITH
(05) JUSTANOTHERMAMBAFAN – RIDING SHOTGUN -
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(59) NOAH - I'm still believing.. Justa's mantra: WE GOT THIS! All will be answered in 30 hours.
(60) STAPLES24 - ONE heart (FISHER), ONE Leg (Bynum), ONE WILL (KOBE), and ONE GREAT FAN (Jack)!!! is all it takes to WIN GAME 6 and 7 at Staples Center!
(61)

Noah:

You wrote: I'm still believing.. Justa's mantra: WE GOT THIS!

Response:

You need stop pulling on Justa's apron strings and man up...

Hobbitmage,

I hate to agree with you. But, being an honest person, I must. People have been quick to fault Kobe's leadership, but he did make both Kwame and Smush into playoff contenders where other "leaders" have failed. Michael "Leader" Jordan probably destroyed Kwame's career if it weren't for Kobe constantly dropping off pass after pass after pass so he can drop the ball out of bounds.

Dwane "Leader" Wade simply gave up and abandoned Smush after only a few games into the season. Pat "Leader" Riley simply tossed him aside. Kobe encouraged and worked with Smush. Pumping him up when he did something nice, like in that Utah series where Smush picked Nash's pockets on three consecutive possessions.

Kobe single-handily turned two scrubs into legit NBA players.

That is leadership.

We also need followers on this team, you know.

--FEARless

I can't believe Phil Jackson said we had a "spirited time in the locker room" following the defeat. He also said he was "upbeat" about game 6. I idolize great coaches, guys like Lombardi, Bill Walsh, Coach K, Red Auerbach, etc. etc. I don't think any of those coaches would be "upbeat" after almost being blown out in a game. You don't want your players to feel comfortable and serene after losing a game in which everyone but Kobe looked terrible. The Lakers were humbled in the last game and the 6 point difference does not tell the true story. You should be angry and determined not to let it happen again, certainly not upbeat.
Is it possible Phil has lost it? I would be getting in people's faces and reading the riot act!!

After Kobe, Bynum, Gasol and Fisher everybody else's should be available for a trade to improve the TEAM in the summer.


Odom (7 mil), Artest (5mil), Sasha's expiring contract for Chris Bosh sign and trade.


I SAID IT BEFORE AND I WILL SAY IT AGAIN!

If KG was not injured last year, the Lakers would have saw the Celtics in the finals.

If KG was not injured last year, the Lakers would have loss the finals.

If KG was not injured last year, Kobe would have been exposed again for his ball hogging style.

Last night, Kobe went back to "me against the world" style and look what it costs us. THE CHAMPIONSHIP!

I like the C's T-Shirt. It explain exactly what we are not. It says "We Not Me". And you know that's pointed directly and Kobe Ball-Hogging Bryant.

Even Ron Artest Game is suffering because of Kobe being a Hog. Ron don't even know when the shoot or when not to shoot. Ron last year with Houston was a consistent scorer around 18-20 points. But Kobe has thrown his game off.

And just wait until Game 6. Kobe is going to be shooting like it's no tomorrow. Learn how to be a team player for once you BIG DIVA!

THANK YOU ONCE AGAIN BALL HOG BRYANT FOR DESTROYING MY ONCE BELOVED TEAM! AND YOUR LEGACY WITH GO IN FLAMES AFTER THIS SERIES.

OKC could we please borrow some of your fans because the only thing more quiet than Laker fans at the staples center is an empty arena! PUMP UP THE VOLUME, your team is depending on you!!!!!!!!!!

@The Snake:

Unlikely as it may seem, Jordan is actually our best 3pt shooter during these playoffs: 20 of 48 (42.4 %). That's better than Pierce (38.9%) or Ray Allen (39.1%) or Kobe (39.7%) during these playoffs.

Posted by: The Snake | June 14, 2010 at 12:43 PM

I know. Tim-4-Show already slapped me upside the head with that stat. Too bad his D has sucked so bad, he needs to be on the floor. Can we have like an offensive/defensive allignment like they do in football? You know, play Sasha on the defensive end and Farmar on offense?

No?

Oh well...

--FEARless

I say, Mitch needs to get his act togehter & get something for Bynum while he still can & that is not based solely on this season's playoffs.
There are few truly big men left in this league anymore & there are many teams that would trade for Andrew. I like the kid personally, but 4 years in & he still can't healthy. And until now, he can't play thru things; earlier this season, he missed some games with a bad cold - really, a bad cold ? I had played thru strep, bronchitis & a half one game with a broken left forearm & I didn't get paid for it! He is just soft, for a big man.
With Gasol you get far more bang from your buck - he is a better passer, a better receiver, a better shooter & usually(tho' not yesterday!)makes the transition faster than Andrew. As bad as Pau played yesterday, he had 12/12. Andrew had 1, that's one rebound in 32 minutes ? As big as he is, bad knee & all, he was out there & needed to be assertive - for God's sake, 1 board in 32 minutes?! He is most often out of position when it comes to rebounding; he is just not very aggressive & in this league, one has to be. Granted, he had a very nice game with 21 a few back, but that's the exception, not the rule.
Next, as I told Mason & Ireland last off season, LO is far too expensive for his inconsistency! 4 for 6, & I believe 2 were lay ins! Then the're Ron everybody's jump on the band wagon savior after he rebounds & scorers in the last second of that game, but other than that, that's it ! He & LO, with their size & alleged grit, they need to be in & around the lane for their shots & for hitting the boards, not shooting 3's from downtown! Hey guys & gals, there is a reason he & Ron have been with several teams! And since Pierce was eating him for lunch yesterday, he then needs to get in the lane & hit some shots & hit the boards, so at least his "scoring" would help offset what PP was doing to him.
Now let me preface this that I love Fish, love the way he has taken care pof his beautiful daughter, he is not a man of scandal, but at his age & salary, I feel they need to cut ties with him off season. Yesterday, he was 2/9, as was RA - so between these 2 high priced players, they get, in the most crucial game to date, 4 of 18! And Fish also had 2, that's 2 assists all game. Yes, the players have top hit shots at the end of those passes, but he was not looking to really try & set up Pau, LO or Ron down low.
All that said, Mitch has not done enough to give the starters the rest they need as he has put together a horrible bench. Shannon was afraid out there & just seemed lost, Sasha, while he can play some D & hit some shots, he is streaky, & just not sure Jordan is a good enough all around player. So when LO decides not to show, as he more often does than not, we have squat off the bench, defensively as well as offensively.
I still feel with the crowd behind them, in most likely 2 more games, they can still pull this thing out; I doubt the C's can shoot another game, esp. out here, at a 56% clip. And I doubt Pau, Fish & LO will all be non factors this time around. Pride & embarrassment can do a lot to a player to prove they are not as bad as they last showed.
Even tho' Bosh is not as big, I like his quickness, intensity & aggressiveness over Bynum's size all day long.
So yea, Lakers in 7 as I originally said! Knew they, nor the C's would ever win it in 5!

It's not over!

Game 6 tomorrow.

Go Lakers!

Noah: You wrote: I'm still believing.. Justa's mantra: WE GOT THIS!

Response: you need stop pulling on Justa's apron strings and man up...
Posted by: ZEN | June 14, 2010 at 12:59 PM
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Hey, If anybody will pull on My Virtual Wifes Apron strings It will be me! Lol!
Mamba24

I make more noise at home by myself, than the thousands of laker fans at staples center put together! Scream, clap, holla, stomp, ring a cowbell, borrow a trumpet from the vuvuzelas at the world cup. Do something! Redeem yourself from being the deadest crowd going! Your team needs you to bring the noise!!!!!!!!!!

Even Ron Artest Game is suffering because of Kobe being a Hog. Ron don't even know when the shoot or when not to shoot. Ron last year with Houston was a consistent scorer around 18-20 points. But Kobe has thrown his game off.
Posted by: Gunner

u really show that u know nothing about BB. just a Kobe hater. artest's game is off because of KOBE?

actually RON is a bigger ball hog than kobe. and also a choker.
or u did not watch the Houston series because the Lakers were winning?
ron is indecisive BECAUSE he needs the BALL all the time.

what a poor example. i'm sure Kobe took out of the rhythm LBJ during the Olympics
get a grip. try again.

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I HAVE FAITH, WIN 2 AT HOME IS WHAT WE’LL DO
THEN WILL GET A RING FOR YOU – BANDWAGON
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(00) PHIL JACKSON - 10RINGS - It's basically defending HOME COURT. That is the way it's suppose to be , isnt it?
(01) KOBE BRYANT – THE BLACK MAMBA - KOBE BRYANT: Just man up and play. What the hell is the big deal? I don't see it as a big deal. If I have to say something to them, then we don't deserve to be champions. We're down 3-2, go home, win one game, go into the next one. Simple as that.
(02) DERRICK FISHER – DFISH – we not gone hang our heads & cry about a defeat. We gone take it Tuesday so we can give us a chance to win a Championship Thursday
(03) 2PHATT – OWNER – I have Faith in the next two at home Stop worrying Wes, WE GOT THIS
(04) FAITH – DRIVER - I am FAITH & I have FAITH
(05) JUSTANOTHERMAMBAFAN – RIDING SHOTGUN -
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(59) NOAH - I'm still believing.. Justa's mantra: WE GOT THIS! All will be answered in 30 hours.
(60) STAPLES24 - ONE heart (FISHER), ONE Leg (Bynum), ONE WILL (KOBE), and ONE GREAT FAN (Jack)!!! is all it takes to WIN GAME 6 and 7 at Staples Center!
(61) DALLAS - still feel with the crowd behind them, in most likely 2 more games, they can still pull this thing out; I doubt the C's can shoot another game, esp. out here, at a 56% clip. And I doubt Pau, Fish & LO will all be non factors this time around. Pride & embarrassment can do a lot to a player to prove they are not as bad as they last showed.
Even tho' Bosh is not as big, I like his quickness, intensity & aggressiveness over Bynum's size all day long. So yea, Lakers in 7 as I originally said! Knew they, nor the C's would ever win it in 5!
(62) LAKERGURL4LIFE - OKC, could we please borrow some of your fans because the only thing more quiet than Laker fans at the staples center is an empty arena! PUMP UP THE VOLUME, your team is depending on you!!!!!!!!!!

Gunner:

You wrote:

If KG was not injured last year, the Lakers would have saw the Celtics in the finals.

If KG was not injured last year, the Lakers would have loss the finals.

Response:

All I have to "saw" to you that you should paid more attention to your teacher than KG and his Celtics "loss" not making to the finals.


I know. Tim-4-Show already slapped me upside the head with that stat. Too bad his D has sucked so bad, he needs to be on the floor. Can we have like an offensive/defensive allignment like they do in football? You know, play Sasha on the defensive end and Farmar on offense?

No?

Oh well...

--FEARless

Posted by: FEARless | June 14, 2010 at 01:18 PM
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LOL!!! I like it.. maybe if they could make it so substitutions could be made on the fly, like in hockey... as soon as one player ends his offensive run, he runs back out of bounds at the half-court line where his substitute high-fives and runs into the game to take up defensive position.

It could work...

You beat me to the punch line Mamba24..

I was about to say I'd be happy to pull...

Who is the best coach for the Lakers next season?

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I HAVE FAITH, WIN 2 AT HOME IS WHAT WE’LL DO
THEN WILL GET A RING FOR YOU – BANDWAGON
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(00) PHIL JACKSON - 10RINGS - It's basically defending HOME COURT. That is the way it's suppose to be , isnt it?
(01) KOBE BRYANT – THE BLACK MAMBA - KOBE BRYANT: Just man up and play. What the hell is the big deal? I don't see it as a big deal. If I have to say something to them, then we don't deserve to be champions. We're down 3-2, go home, win one game, go into the next one. Simple as that.
(02) DERRICK FISHER – DFISH – we not gone hang our heads & cry about a defeat. We gone take it Tuesday so we can give us a chance to win a Championship Thursday
(03) 2PHATT – OWNER – I have Faith in the next two at home Stop worrying Wes, WE GOT THIS
(04) FAITH – DRIVER - I am FAITH & I have FAITH
(05) JUSTANOTHERMAMBAFAN – RIDING SHOTGUN -
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(63) ROCKY - It's not over! Game 6 tomorrow. Go Lakers!

You beat me to the punch line Mamba24..I was about to say I'd be happy to pull...Posted by: Noah | June 14, 2010 at 01:25 PM
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Stop that! Stop that Now!! LMAO!!
MAMBA24

Who is the best coach for the Lakers next season? Posted by: Staples24 | June 14, 2010 at 01:25 PM
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THE SAME COACH THEY HAVE THIS SEASON!!
MAMAB24

ouchhhhhhhh,

Thanks for pointing out what everyone here seems to have forgotten. Ron has always played his best when he had the ball ALL THE TIME. On every team he's played on, he was their Kobe. When the "trade" first happened, that was the central question, "could Ron play without the ball in an offense?"

The answer, for most of the season was, "sometimes". In the Finals, its been, "no".

Since RonRon brought this personality trait with him upon arrival, I can't really see how this behavior is Kobe's fault.

This seems like a case of revisionist history to me.

I mean, for all of the League's "Ball Hogs", Kobe has the ball in his hands the least. The only think keeping Ron from continuing to hog the ball is Kobe.

The problem with Ron's ball hogging has always been that even though he had the ball more than Kobe, he could never produce anything close to Kobe's effectiveness. Kobe exposed him in Houston. RonRon could clearly see Kobe in his way and astutely decided that since he couldn't beat Kobe, he better join Kobe.

--FEARless

Everyone is burying Los Angeles before the ball is even tipped off.

The momentum and trends are not good. The Celts have gotten progressively better; the Lakers, progressively worse. The C's are playing with no pressure, relieved that they avoided a couple of potential knockout blows in Games 2 and 4, contributing to the feeling that this is really their year. They've finally stood up and played well on their home floor. Now all they need is one. And they know they can beat the Lakers 4 out of 7 because they've done it before.

BUT . . .

Has everyone forgotten that this series was predicted to go seven games? LA wins 90% of its games at home in the NBA Playoffs. The bench plays better, and more importantly, LO and Gasol play better, at home. LA is 14-6 in the playoffs. At any point in any season, including the playoff season, most teams will hit a dry spell.

These guys have spent a week and a half in a city filled with hostile fans playing in an arena filled with the ghosts of Laker Ignominy, not the least of which is 131-92 (the game, not the blogger). They were competitive in every game, and won one of them. They're now back with two games left on their floor. And, like the C's in games 4 and 5, their key players are due for good games.

If LA doesn't respond to the challenge it wasn't meant to be. But the team can't be overwhelmed with bad vibes or the game is already lost. Even if the criticism is well-deserved, it gets to the point where it's just negative reinforcement.

LA was here in 1988. Thrice. They were here in 2002. They must rely on the homecourt to survive. If I told you 12 months ago LA would be coming home down 3-2 in the NBA Finals v. the Celtics and the title would be decided at Staples Center, you'd take it.

I'll take it now. Not that I have a choice if I'm a Lakers fan, but I will. This team has the talent to win the next two. They have the coaching experience to put them in a position to win the next two. Let's just see what happens.

They have their issues -- serious issues -- but if they win the next two, they're champs. Let's go with that. If we -- or the Lakers -- buy too much into the "it's 2008 all over again" talk, then they should just forfeit tomorrow night and go home.

Last night was reminiscent of those PHX-LA series when LA didn't have gasal: brant goes off for big points and LA never really stood a chance.

If bynum was healthy it seems like LA can't be stopped. Without him, this series is a foregone conclusion because pau and lamar just don't have the wherewithal to beat BOS bigs.

correction: " . . . predicted BY MANY to go seven games."

Boy today is crappy.


@hobbitmage - Agreed, Kobe's leadership is NOT to be questioned in last nights game. When he gets it going like that, you feed him. If anything, i thought they should have worked him the ball even more, we needed him to break that single-quarter Fiansl scoring record to have a chance.


Celtics are getting all the bounces, hustling to the loosies and their bench looks hungry while ours (outside of Sasha and Luke) looks like they're waiting for a vacation.


Gasol's legs are gone, he has no lift in the paint and isn't using his left handed hook anymore, for some reason. KG is definitely in his head and he's getting ZERO respect from the men in grey. He is getting abused. Respect will come with production, Pau, not with words. No discussion will create foul calls for you, you have to be even stronger than last year. We believe in you.


Start Odom and bring Bynum off the bench. It's obvious that Bynum can't get around the Celtics because they are much more mobile in the post than he is. He's incapable of going all out and against this team, the way they're currently playing, it's just not enough. Andrew gets my 'Hero of the Series' award for pure grit, but unles he can fight for boards better, he's a liability because they're shooting over him now which means he's affecting less shots. I understand that they want Bynum in the game for the tip off (A because he jumps center well and B because his knee is still 'warm') but the boost it could give Odom would be helpful, I feel. I realize it basically takes away our only bench scorer.


Play Sasha more. Farmar looks pretty ragged right now, jumpers not falling, drives to the hoop are wild and fruitless and he hasn't figured out how to play anything near NBA defense yet. Sasha brings a size and tenacity on the defensive end we desperately need and he plays well within the offense. Farmar dribbles out the clock and then passes to Kobe. Vujacic and Brown will be paired off next year in the back court anyway, get 'em acquainted now.


If it looks dark in DJ's head, Phil gets 12 mil a year to help him turn on a light. If Phil can't use the players he's got well, it truly might be time for him to take another 'break from basketball' as I like to call them. just some time away for a season-ish to re-charge the mind. DJ can defend and rebound as well as Bynum on one leg, can't he? He can at least match the energy of Big Baby, although i do wonder how he would do in scren and rolls.


Something tells me, though, that Phil's going with the rotation and squad he's been playing. He's going to do it his way and, frankly, he deserves to. We will, of course, second guess him (it's a free country) and I do think that those guys can still do it, but something has to change. Either the guys on the court or the thoughts in their head. One is easier to change than the other.

LOL!!! I like it.. maybe if they could make it so substitutions could be made on the fly, like in hockey... as soon as one player ends his offensive run, he runs back out of bounds at the half-court line where his substitute high-fives and runs into the game to take up defensive position.

It could work...

Posted by: HalosAnt | June 14, 2010 at 01:25 PM

Ohhhh! I like it. Hockey! Perfect! You are definitely on to something there. I say we make you the new Mayor of these parts.

--FEARless

 
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