Caught in the Web: Reactions to Lakers' 89-67 Game 6 victory over Boston Celtics
Game stories
--The Times' Mike Bresnahan details how the Lakers dominated the Celtics on Tuesday in their 89-67 Game 6 victory.
--The Boston Globe's Julian Benbow calls the Celtics' effort a "Hollywood flop."
--The Orange County Register's Kevin Ding contrasts the Lakers' Game 6 performance with their poor play in Game 5.--The Riverside Press-Enterprise's David Lassen says the Lakers' swagger made the difference.
--The Boston Herald's Mark Murphy explains why the Celtics had trouble closing out the series.
--The Daily News' Elliott Teaford believes the Lakers will win the championship if they duplicate their Game 6 performance.
Notebooks
--The Times' Bresnahan highlights the contributions from Lakers forward Pau Gasol and Lamar Odom.
--The Boston Globe's Benbow and Frank Dell'Apa detail Kendrick Perkins' injury.--The Orange County Register's Janis Carr tells why Derek Fisher doesn't believe in leprechauns.
--The Riverside Press-Enterprise's Lassen keys in on the Lakers' rebounding advantage.
--The Boston Herald's Mark Murphy focuses on the Celtics' poor rebounding.--The Daily News' Teaford explains why history is not on the Lakers' side in winning the title.
Sidebars
--The Times' Broderick Turner explains what led to Lakers forward Ron Artest having a turnaround game.
--The Times' Lisa Dillman gives back the Lakers' reserves their "Bench Mob" nickname.
--The Times' Baxter Holmes highlights the contention from Glen "Big Baby" Davis that the Celtics will win Game 7. Holmes also focuses on how Perkins' injury affected Boston.
--The Daily News' Phil Collin credits the effort from the Lakers' bench.Columns
--The Times' Bill Plaschke notices that the Lakers played out of desperation.
--The Times' T.J. Simers takes Jeff Van Gundy to task for his contention that the media don't fully recognize Kobe Bryant's talent.
--The Times' Mark Heisler notes how typical it is for Lakers-Celtics Finals match-ups to go seven games.
--Former Clippers Coach Mike Dunleavy argues in The Times that the Lakers won Game 6 because of teamwork.
--ESPN.com's J.A. Adande looks at how this game had added meaning for Artest.--The Daily News' Vincent Bonsignore isn't surprised by how competitive this series is.
--The Boston Herald's Steve Bulpett criticizes the Celtics for doing everything the hard way.
--The Riverside Press-Enterprise's Matt Calkins highlights the Lakers' pride.
--The Orange County Register's Ding believes that the Lakers will win Game 7.--Former Laker Rick Fox explains at ESPN Los Angeles why home-court advantage makes such a difference.
--ESPN Boston's Chris Forsberg wonders if the Celtics will draw inspiration from Perkins' injury.--Yahoo! Sports' Johnny Ludden credits the Lakers' team effort
--Sports Illustrated's Chris Mannix breaks down the game.
--ESPN Los Angeles' Arash Markazi calls the Lakers-Celtics Game 7 Finals match-up a "dream come true."
--ESPN Boston's Peter May faults the Celtics' bench and poor rebounding.
--ESPN Los Angeles' Dave McMenamin thinks the Lakers look like a championship-caliber team.
--The Orange County Register's Jeff Miller likes the Lakers' attitude.
--The Riverside Press-Enterprise's Gregg Patton explains what caused the Lakers' bench to wake up.
--The Boston Globe's Bob Ryan faults the Celtics for not showing up.
--The Boston Globe's Dan Shaughnessy believes that the only thing going in the Celtics favor is their favorable history.
--ESPN Los Angeles' Ramona Shelburne looks at how the Lakers are trying to put the 2008 Finals loss behind them.--ESPN.com's Chris Sheridan reports that Perkins won't play in Game 7.
--Sports Illustrated's Ian Thomsen believes that it's fitting the Finals will go to seven games, considering the Lakers-Celtics history. He also gives his take in the video below on who the Finals MVP will be.
--The Orange County Register's Mark Whicker focuses on the Lakers' bench.
--Yahoo! Sports' Adrian Wojnarowski expects a classic in Game 7.Blogs
--True Hoop's Kevin Arnovitz breaks down the Lakers' defense in Game 6.
--Celtic Blog's Jeff Clark faults Boston's rebounding effort.
--Forum Blue and Gold's Darius credits the Lakers' energy.
--Silver Screen and Roll's DexterFishmore highlights the Lakers' defensive efficiency.
--ESPN Los Angeles' Andy and Brian Kamenetzky credits the Lakers' team effort.--Lakers.com's Mike Trudell explains why the Lakers were clicking on all cylinders.
Tweet of the Day: "Boston’s Glen "Big Baby" Davis on Game 7: “I can’t wait. I can’t wait to step up on the floor and win here in L.A.” -- KevinDing (Orange County Register Lakers beat reporter Kevin Ding)
Reader Comment of the Day: May this serve as a lesson to all Laker fans: never give up on your team. The only thing certain is that one team is gonna be awfully heartbroken on Thursday night, and methinks it's gonna be Boston. -- EJK
-- Mark Medina
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Photo: Lakers fans show their support outside Staples Center before the start of Game 6 of the NBA Finals on Tuesday. Credit: Luis Sinco / Los Angeles Times








Posted by: J.K. | June 15, 2010 at 11:04 PM
Okay... I'm going for the Celts cuz I'm a Nate fan... but at the postgame conference on NBA TV, was that Kobe Bryant? Nah!! More like Kobe X!!! This guy had me nodding my head in agreement cuz his mind set is correct, he doesnt laugh at the press' stupid sh#t and he's not high on himself either... he just says "We gotta win." "What do you think of the Celts and Lakers famous rivalry?" His face practically says "I dont give a f&#! about that!! We gotta win and thats it!" Classic.
Posted by: J.K. | June 15, 2010 at 11:04 PM
JK! Wow man, nice to see you here. How's Tennessee treating you?
Well, I know you understand all sides here (as you're a SoCal native, a former athlete - which is why I know who you are). I appreciate you wanting good for Nate, your former teammate - once a Dawg, right? But here's the thing, it's the LAKERS. It's the Celtics. Nate will make his millions no matter what happens, but contrasting the pleasure pain difference here, there's no way I can cheer for Nate right now. If this were Phoenix verses Magic or something, then yeah....
But anyway, lot's of respect to you as always. Your daughters are getting big man, my Lord time flies - makes sense, I was watching Kobe and Phil win titles while Nate was still in high school.
And you know, Willie, the guy you used to hand the ball to on ground attack, is cheering for the Lakers. I think he has his priorities straight with this one.
UW, in the house.
RIP CW, MC.
Posted by: Tim-4-Show | June 16, 2010 at 10:51 AM
**REPOST & REVISED******
Bryant: You in the Finals?
Pierce: Not regularly.
Bryant: There's a passage I got memorized. Kobezekiel 24:16. "The path of the Champion is beset on all sides by the inequities of the Celtics and the tyranny of David Stern. Blessed is he who, in the name of HUNGER and MAD HEART, shepherds his team through the valley of the FINALS. For he is truly his teammate's keeper and the finder of lost RINGS. And I will strike down upon thee with GREAT VENGEANCE and FURIOUS ANGER those who attempt to poison and destroy my BANNERS. And you will know I AM THE CHAMP when I lay my vengeance upon you." I been playin' like that for years. And if you ever saw it, it meant your ass. I never really questioned what it meant. I thought I was just a cold-blooded thing to UNLEASH on a motherf@#ker before I snatched a Championship from your ass. But I saw some ish last night made me think twice. Now I'm thinkin': it could mean you're the evil man. And I'm the righteous man. And Mr. 37 here, he's the shepherd protecting my righteous ass in the valley of the Finals. Or it could be you're the drama queen and I'm the shepherd and it's the NBA that's evil and selfish. I'd like that. But your PUNK @ZZ ain’t “THE TRUTH”. The truth is you're THE WEAK. And I'm the tyranny of the LAKERS. But I'm tryin, Pierce. I'm tryin' reeeaall hard to be the 5 TIME NBA WORLD CHAMPION.
*****
Bryant: Now with wins over Cavs & Magic and takin us to 7 games, you've had a pretty good run, right?
Pierce: nods his head meekly
Bryant: I need you to reach in your bag and give me my Finals MVP trophy.
Pierce: How will I know which one it is?
Bryant: It's the one that's enscripted "BAD MUTHAF@#KA".
Posted by: HalosAnt | June 16, 2010 at 11:13 AM
LTLF,
>>> Sales of hard liquor and guns will be up in Boston on Friday.
ROFLMAO.
Posted by: Rick Friedman | June 16, 2010 at 11:15 AM
LTLF,
I think Gasol makes hall of fame when the Lakers 4peat or more.
I don't think Sheed makes HOF. If it weren't for 2008 title run, I doubt Paula Pierce would have made the HOF first ballot (or maybe not at all??).
Bynum needs to become a different player than he is now if he wants to think Cooperstown... he's not even an all-star (yet)
Posted by: Tim-4-Show | June 16, 2010 at 11:23 AM
LTLF,
I think Gasol makes hall of fame when the Lakers 4peat or more.
I don't think Sheed makes HOF. If it weren't for 2008 title run, I doubt Paula Pierce would have made the HOF first ballot (or maybe not at all??).
Bynum needs to become a different player than he is now if he wants to think Cooperstown... he's not even an all-star (yet)
Posted by: Tim-4-Show | June 16, 2010 at 11:23 AM
Did I just say Cooperstown?
LOL. Baseball season
Posted by: Tim-4-Show | June 16, 2010 at 11:24 AM
God: Justa, Larry you're both right, it's a can of Troll Be Gone and It's A Can of Whoop Azz, it's Game 6 of the NBA Finals. Justa and Larry look at each other smiling nodding in agreement. God: Justa quit bugging me about that ipad. Posted by: Mark G | June 16, 2010 at 09:04 AM
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OH Mark G. that's so beautiful! Aint Love Grannnnnd. With a a can of Troll Be Gone and A Can of Whoop Azz... True Virtual Love can conquer all. And they named their 1st Virtual Child Kobe and they lived Happily Ever After. THE END!!!
Posted by: MAMBA24 | June 16, 2010 at 09:19 AM
HAHAHAHAHAHA!!! You guys are tooooo funny!!!!
I'm high on Cloud 9 today! Oh what a beautiful morning! Oh what a beautiful day!
OK - enough of that.
The time to celebrate is NOT now.
Back to FOCUS. DETERMINATION. HUSTLE. PRIDE.
One more to go, people. Just one more to Dy-NASTY.
GO LAKERS!!!
Nothing but another title will suffice - Kobe Bryant
Posted by: justanothermambafan | June 16, 2010 at 11:28 AM
I love all the stats on both sides...
Boston's starting lineup has never lost a playoff series.
So Boston was a lock to win before the series even started.
In series where they wins game 1, Phil Jackson coached teams have never lost.
Okay so the Lakers were sure to win after game 1.
In series that are tied 1-1 after 2 games, the team that wins the third game almost always wins the series.
Okay, so the Lakers are REALLY going to win.
Teams that take a 3-2 lead in series almost always win.
So Boston was sure to win after game 5.
Teams that play game 7 on their home court win most of the time.
Boston has played 4 seven game series vs the Lakers and won all four.
Something's gotta give.
Actually, Boston jinxed themselves by Perkins getting injured. Now they don't have their "series undefeated" starting lineup. The only stats they have to lean on is from winning game 5, and from the older C's teams never losing to the Lakers in 7.
Posted by: LongTimeLakerFan | June 16, 2010 at 11:28 AM
Mamba24 - what's this I hear you talking about giving up your bandwagon duties next year?
UNACCEPTABLE!!!
This is no time to lose focus, my dear. Plus - no one can ever do it as good as you. No one. And I speak from experience here.
Posted by: justanothermambafan | June 16, 2010 at 11:31 AM
Bryant: I need you to reach in your bag and give me my Finals MVP trophy.
Pierce: How will I know which one it is?
Bryant: It's the one that's enscripted "BAD MUTHAF@#KA".
Posted by: HalosAnt | June 16, 2010 at 11:13 AM
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YES, MY GOODNES YES!!...OUT FREAKIN STANDING!!
mamba24
Posted by: mamba24 | June 16, 2010 at 11:31 AM
What a game and, oh my, what a page full of blue liinks!
No official word out of Boston, but rumors are Perkins won;t be back:
"The official word on Perkins was a sprained right knee that will be re-evaluated Wednesday. Perkins told ESPN he hopes to play in Game 7, but a team source told ESPN.com's Chris Sheridan that the Celtics center was "done.""
We need Andrew to play Thursday night and if he's playing well but the game's close, don;t let him sit during the break. Just run him 3 quarters straight then have Gasol and Odom finish the game.
Wes
Posted by: wesjoenixon | June 16, 2010 at 11:32 AM
Sheed not hall of fame material.
Paula - eh I suppose with all the east coast bias, but he was just OK, nice numbers but not when they really matter, more like a Vince Carter. Bring in two carpet baggers and all of a sudden he's proclaiming himself as the best ever.
Ray Ray - probably, but he was a classic choker and still has bouts of it.
Posted by: htj | June 16, 2010 at 11:33 AM
Hey --what the hell was in that troll spray?
Does it work on ex-wives?
Landlords? Disowned parts of my personality
that keep sabotaging success?
Posted by: Noah | June 16, 2010 at 11:33 AM
Noah - yes, yes, and no.
Posted by: justanothermambafan | June 16, 2010 at 11:36 AM
OH Mark G. that's so beautiful! Aint Love Grannnnnd. With a a can of Troll Be Gone and A Can of Whoop Azz... True Virtual Love can conquer all. And they named their 1st Virtual Child Kobe and they lived Happily Ever After. THE END!!!Posted by: MAMBA24 | June 16, 2010 at 09:19 AM
HAHAHAHAHAHA!!! You guys are tooooo funny!!!! Posted by: justanothermambafan | June 16, 2010 at 11:28 AM
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Hang in there Justa. One more day & the Virtual couple will fade into the Sunset as the season ends.! But to use your own words "The time to celebrate is NOT now" Lol! Oh well at least for me it was fun while it lasted. Glad you had a sense of humour. Nuff said. Got to get ready to create my Final Epic Roll Call & Finals Poem. Hope I'll see you on Chat tomorrow!
Mamba24
Posted by: mamba24 | June 16, 2010 at 11:38 AM
That was funny, dammit!
Posted by: Noah | June 16, 2010 at 11:40 AM
I think I can say without hesitation that the one guy who could care less about the Finals MVP Trophy without winning the Finals is Kobe Bryant!
Posted by: D(erek)J(eter) | June 16, 2010 at 11:40 AM
@JUSTA, Does this make any sense to you? N + J + Mk + C_B = Justa. Wow!
Mamba24
Posted by: Mamba24 | June 16, 2010 at 11:43 AM
We are really playing for something! As a fan, I feel like I am gonna be getting a ring also! How crazy is that ISH??? No, but seriously. I am hyped but nervous as hell. This team keeps me super nervous cuz of how we play at times. I am praying we come out, focused and seal the deal..I want nothing more than that TROPHY for the Lakers again! Will I be able to watch the game, not sure yet. I gotta see how the next 24 unfold!!! lol
Posted by: lakersrydeordie | June 16, 2010 at 11:48 AM
Mamba24 - what's this I hear you talking about giving up your bandwagon duties next year? UNACCEPTABLE!!! This is no time to lose focus, my dear. Plus - no one can ever do it as good as you. No one. And I speak from experience here. Posted by: justanothermambafan | June 16, 2010 at 11:31 AM
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Actually I'm planning on giving up Basketball for a year. As I wrote when I came back after my dramatic leaving last time one of my interest is consciousness raising. I plan to take a Sabatical for a year with remains from my ill gotten gains from the Dotcom scam. Hopefully The Lakers will have won their 3rd title when I complete my trip.
Posted by: Mamba24 | June 16, 2010 at 11:51 AM
MVP FINALS TROPHY: PAU GASOL IF LAKERS WIN THE CHAMPIONSHIP
Posted by: Ricky | June 16, 2010 at 11:54 AM
Dear Laker fans of Machine,
Machine made prediction that Machine kill Boston girly defense with outside daggers. Machine has just 2 words for Laker fans of Machine - NEVER EVER DOUBT MACHINE! Famous Slovenian philosopher once say "Silly man who doubts machine will get screwed". Machine do not understand quote, but Machine don't care because Machine has best friend named Kobe! Machine is best closer in whole wide world, and best friend Kobe is second best closer. Two best closers mean one thing and one thing only - REPEAT.
Sincerely,
Sasha
Posted by: SASHA V. | June 16, 2010 at 11:55 AM
We are really playing for something! As a fan, I feel like I am gonna be getting a ring also! How crazy is that ISH???Posted by: lakersrydeordie | June 16, 2010 at 11:48 AM
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Not crazy at all. I think most of us think that way. Plus we are playing for the Parade and the parties afterwards. It's all good if The Lakers close the deal tomorrow as they will!
Mamba24
Posted by: Mamba24 | June 16, 2010 at 11:55 AM
Mamba24 - WTH?? WHY are you talking like after this is said and done you won't be back?? STOP IT!!! We need you around here. You KNOW this. What's going on - you ok?
YES - I'll see you on the chat tomorrow! A Mamba24 cameo (or longer) ALWAYS bodes well!
And NO - I have no clue what "N + J + Mk + C_B = Justa" means... except for the C_B which I think is Complex_Brotha... Enlighten me my friend - I could use a good laugh (unfortunately too much crap to deal with today....)!!
Posted by: justanothermambafan | June 16, 2010 at 11:55 AM
Mamba24 - NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
*sobbing uncontrollably*
Posted by: justanothermambafan | June 16, 2010 at 11:57 AM
A little history question: what do the folks here think is the single greatest moment or event in Laker history? In my mind, it was watching the Lakers celebrate championship on the floor of the Boston Garden after winning the clinching game 6 of the 1985 finals. Finally getting the monkey off the back of the franchise, in Boston while those obnoxious fans watched, was really, really special. Anyone have any thoughts?
Posted by: Steve | June 16, 2010 at 12:03 PM
While we don't want to take a year off, we would like the best for you. Like to change your mind, but if we can't, we'll keep the Wagon Train rolling forward till you do!
Posted by: D(erek)J(eter) | June 16, 2010 at 12:04 PM
Unsubstantiated rumor: Rondo wears his headband upside down to diss the guy in the logo who happens to be a Laker.
Posted by: The Snake | June 16, 2010 at 12:04 PM
A few days after John Wooden went to heaven, The Lord decided to visit his most faithful servant John Wooden.
"John, for your selfless life on earth, is there anything you might want now that you are in heaven?"
No thanks, John replied, I am reunited with my Nell and I am in the presence of my Lord. I want for not.
And the Lord asked a second time, "John, for your righteous life on earth, is there anything you might want?"
No thanks, I want for not.
And God asked a third time, "Goodness gracious sakes alive John, There must be something you want"
And after God said this to him, John Wooden understood that now was the time to ask for something a little bit selfish on his part.
Lord forgive me for asking this, but as you know, the 2 teams in the NBA Finals this year, the Lakers and Celtics represents what's good and bad of about the game.
The Lakers are coached with respect and dignity for the game, while the Celtics are coached without any of these qualities and they show irreverance to the game itself.
Since I wish no ill will towards these misguided Celtic players I wish only that they be forced to play the game the way it's suppose to be played.
And the Lord answered his faithful servant, " John, fear not, for I too have seen the blasphemous behavior of this team go unpunished long enough. Verily I say to you my faithful servant John Wooden, these last 2 games of the Finals will be played according to the way basketball was meant to be played and all creatures great and small on the earth and in Heaven will rejoice When the Lakers win the Championship."
Posted by: You Ever Notice | June 16, 2010 at 12:08 PM
That's more like it! It's never enough to just beat the Celts, Lakers need to beat UP on them...
Ron Artest did it again! First it was Ray Allen, last night it was Rondo. Fantastic job Ron Ron lowering the boom on them Celts.
Nod out to Bynum as well for helping "tweak" Perkins' knee. Let us all hope and pray that Kendrick is DONE for the season! Yeah...
Just one more time Ron please pretty please. For game 7 maybe you can set the tone early putting some serious HURT into Pierce or Garnett this time.
Posted by: Psycorp | June 16, 2010 at 12:09 PM
nice game from LA. Everything clicking, and everything going wrong for boston. The big loss and poor sheed shooting suggest a rebound performance in game 7 but it's going to be interesting thursday either way.
Posted by: BUTLER | June 16, 2010 at 12:13 PM
Anyone know who the Refs are going to be tomorrow night?
Posted by: D(erek)J(eter) | June 16, 2010 at 12:15 PM
Mamba24 - WTH?? WHY are you talking like after this is said and done you won't be back?? STOP IT!!! We need you around here. You KNOW this. What's going on - you ok? Mamba24 - NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO*sobbing uncontrollably*
Posted by: justanothermambafan | June 16, 2010 at 11:57 AM
@Justa, the season is over after tomorrow! Lol! I probably run out of money by the time the season starts so more than likely I'll be back. But I'm touched Justa & not just virtually which is another reason for the trip. If you need to contact me ask Mark for my Email.
Mamba24
Posted by: Mamba24 | June 16, 2010 at 12:15 PM
Anyone know who the Refs are going to be tomorrow night? Posted by: D(erek)J(eter) | June 16, 2010 at 12:15 PM
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DJ I think they select them the day of the game so the Bookies can't get an edge!
Mamba
Posted by: Mamba24 | June 16, 2010 at 12:16 PM
Baby Davis guarantees a win.
I guarantee Baby Davis and Nate Robinson the next great attraction at Disneyland, go Shrek and Donkey.
Posted by: You Ever Notice | June 16, 2010 at 12:16 PM
That's more like it! It's never enough to just beat the Celts, Lakers need to beat UP on them...Ron Artest did it again! First it was Ray Allen, last night it was Rondo. Fantastic job Ron Ron lowering the boom on them Celts.Nod out to Bynum as well for helping "tweak" Perkins' knee. Let us all hope and pray that Kendrick is DONE for the season! Yeah...Just one more time Ron please pretty please. For game 7 maybe you can set the tone early putting some serious HURT into Pierce or Garnett this time. Posted by: Psycorp | June 16, 2010 at 12:09 PM
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Lol! Kobe spent half the game talking to RonRon. I think for the first time in the entire playoffs you will see the Lakers clicking on all cylinders, Offense, Defense, Bench & Coaching. If this was not a must game for the Celtics I would fear for the Celtics lives. Instead I think It will be close until the start of the 4th and the Lakers will clamp down with their D and pull away to a 10 to 15 point win...At least I hope so!
Posted by: Mamba24 | June 16, 2010 at 12:20 PM
check out my lakers anthem. Set to the Game's "dope boys"
Posted by: Johnny | June 16, 2010 at 12:20 PM
And the Lord answered his faithful servant, " John, fear not, for I too have seen the blasphemous behavior of this team go unpunished long enough. Verily I say to you my faithful servant John Wooden, these last 2 games of the Finals will be played according to the way basketball was meant to be played and all creatures great and small on the earth and in Heaven will rejoice When the Lakers win the Championship."Posted by: You Ever Notice | June 16, 2010 at 12:08 PM
ISH!!! I have to say it...OUT FREAKING STANDING SIR!!
Posted by: Mamba24 | June 16, 2010 at 12:21 PM
>>>Bynum needs to become a different player than he is now if he wants to think
>>>Cooperstown... he's not even an all-star (yet)
Tim-4-Show,
I think the only thing that decides whether Bynum gets to HOF level or not is health. If he continues to have constant injuries that hold down his performance and his progress, no way.
But if he was fully healthy right now, I think he'd be averaging a double-double and 3 or 4 blocks and the finals would already be over. And he and Gasol would be getting about even props for their contributions.
It certainly won't hurt Bynum's legacy to play through the pain and contribute just enough to make the Lakers slightly better in this year's finals.
Posted by: LongTimeLakerFan | June 16, 2010 at 12:22 PM
Does anyone have video of Pierce tripping Pau? And/or Rondo pushing Kobe on that same sequence?
Posted by: E | June 16, 2010 at 12:23 PM
.......A little history question: what do the folks here think is the single greatest moment or event in Laker history......
The Lakers beating Boston in the 7th game on thursday.
This one is for Jerry and Elgin and Jack Kent Cooke
Posted by: You Ever Notice | June 16, 2010 at 12:26 PM
Larry, I will be sad not to see you around here but whatever will make you happy, go for it. Life is a journey, you better make it beautiful and meaningful, the one that feeds your soul.
I can feel certain sadness in you, I don't know, but one thing I also feel is you are a kind soul. I am a friend, a real friend if you want one.
We still have a game. We all need a happy ending!!!
Posted by: Jeanette | June 16, 2010 at 12:27 PM
Posted by: D(erek)J(eter) | June 16, 2010 at 12:04 PM Unsubstantiated rumor: Rondo wears his headband upside down to diss the guy in the logo who happens to be a Laker.
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AWWWW ISH, IT'S ON NOW!! I use to kind of respect Rondo, but if that's really the case..FR%%$#%$^&&* Rondo & F$$&*%#%$* The Celtics TOO!!
Posted by: Mamba24 | June 16, 2010 at 12:28 PM
E,
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mziu_wdKMkk
Posted by: Tim-4-Show | June 16, 2010 at 12:32 PM
Mamba, I should have known that you had put me on that bandwagon but I didn't have time to go back and check while at work so thanks.
Also if you really are leaving for a year I hope you find whatever it is you're looking for and wish you the best life has to offer! Just know that you will be sorely missed bro!
Posted by: Troy B | June 16, 2010 at 12:37 PM
Mamba, I should have known that you had put me on that bandwagon but I didn't have time to go back and check while at work so thanks.
Also if you really are leaving for a year I hope you find whatever it is you're looking for and wish you the best life has to offer! Just know that you will be sorely missed bro!
Posted by: Troy B | June 16, 2010 at 12:38 PM
E,
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mziu_wdKMkk
Posted by: Tim-4-Show | June 16, 2010 at 12:32 PM
Thanks for the link, Tim!
Posted by: E | June 16, 2010 at 12:38 PM
E, I've seen the play on the web
the Celtics are just poor sports, especially that little punk Rajon.
Kobe played that perfect, he passed to Shannon then veered left taking the little punk out of the play. Out of frustration little punk pushed Kobe.
Same with Pierce.
Posted by: You Ever Notice | June 16, 2010 at 12:38 PM
Larry, I will be sad not to see you around here but whatever will make you happy, go for it. Life is a journey, you better make it beautiful and meaningful, the one that feeds your soul. I can feel certain sadness in you, I don't know, but one thing I also feel is you are a kind soul. I am a friend, a real friend if you want one. We still have a game. We all need a happy ending!!! Posted by: Jeanette | June 16, 2010 at 12:27 PM
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Thanks Jeanette but have you ever been around The Blog after the season is over. All we talk about is trades and we have to fight off Trolls by the Hundreds. After 4 years I'm a lil burned out. Not of the Lakerholics, Shoot they the one's that recharge my batteries for my real job everyday. Also I'm a lil burned out with computers, which is my real job. So for the next couple of months at leasrt I plan to follow a simple a life. Sounds kinda nuts huh? Lol. But we got a game & Parade to get ready for Sister. Thanks for caring jeanette, you were always kind of like a sister to me.
Mamba24
Posted by: Mamba24 | June 16, 2010 at 12:40 PM
Brief List of Upcoming Keltic Troll excuses:
We'd be looking at a three-peat if we had KG last year . . .
If Perk weren't hurt . . .
Refs actually called our fouls this year, c'mon they're supposed to reward our "intensity" . . .
Kobe's a rapist . . .
Gasol is soft . . .
We still have more rings . . .
Red's 9 rings are worth more than Phillup's 11 because PJ always had two Stars . . .
Your 5 rings in Minneapolis don't count . . .
You still would've lost in '08 with a healthy Bynum . . .
Rondo will have this team back all by himself . . .
Bird was better than Magic . . .
Lakers fans are bandwagoners . . .
You've lost in the finals more than anyone . . .
We still had a bigger margin of victory in '08 . . .
You get the picture - sour grapes from sore losers (and ever worse winners)
Payback is a Black Mamba you green pansies. Enjoy the next 30 years of obscurity.
Posted by: htj | June 16, 2010 at 11:28 AM
That was AMAZING!!!!!
Posted by: 22 AKA longtimelakerlover | June 16, 2010 at 12:41 PM
E, I've seen the play on the web
the Celtics are just poor sports, especially that little punk Rajon.
Kobe played that perfect, he passed to Shannon then veered left taking the little punk out of the play. Out of frustration little punk pushed Kobe.
Same with Pierce.
Posted by: You Ever Notice | June 16, 2010 at 12:38 PM
Yeah, I hear yah! The Pierce trip is very blatant in my eyes. I'm not sure why the refs didn't see this. I get that some things are hard to miss live, but some are plain obvious (think this Pierce trip and Allen grabbing Kobe right before he got that technical).
Posted by: E | June 16, 2010 at 12:46 PM
Phil Jackson On NBA TV
Gotta admit, he's one cool customer.
Makes me ashamed of myself for doubting him game after game and year after year.
But still looking forward to a new system
Posted by: You Ever Notice | June 16, 2010 at 12:47 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mziu_wdKMkk Posted by: Tim-4-Show | June 16, 2010 at 12:32 PM
SHAMWOWWWWWWW! Thanks bro, now that was...OUT FREAKIN STANDING!
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Mamba, I should have known that you had put me on that bandwagon but I didn't have time to go back and check while at work so thanks. Also if you really are leaving for a year I hope you find whatever it is you're looking for and wish you the best life has to offer! Just know that you will be sorely missed bro! Posted by: Troy B | June 16, 2010 at 12:38 PM
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Thanks Troy I'm touched, but it's just a vacation. I'll probably be popping in now and then. You Know how us Pseudo Drama Punks are? lol! But I really appreciate the thoughts man. Now later for this nonsense we got a Title & Parade to prepare for!
Mamab24
Posted by: mamba24 | June 16, 2010 at 12:49 PM
Sasha V
Continue your posts, don't make us wait 2 days to see you in action. I'm a real fan.
Cölöradö löves öür Wörld Champiön Lakers!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Posted by: Hügö Böss | June 16, 2010 at 12:51 PM
DON’T EVER UNDERESTIMATE THE HEART OF A CHAMPION !!!
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Rudy Tomjanovich’s quote actually came after the Houston Rockets won the 1995 NBA Championship against the Orlando Magic, but it was equally applicable to their great championship triumph the prior year when the Rockets roared back from a 3-2 Finals deficit versus the New York Knicks to win 2 elimination games at home, a feat that this year’s Los Angeles Lakers are hoping to duplicate in Thursday night’s Game 7 at Staples Center.
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I said before this series started that the team that won the Bryant/Pierce, Gasol/Garnett, and Bynum/Perkins matchups would prevail in the series. I even predicted that Ray Allen’s shooting and Rajon Rondo’s back court play might steal a game or two, which was exactly happened in Games 2 and 5. I rooted for the Celtics to defeat the Cavs and the Magic because I was confident that we could beat the Celtics in the Finals with home court.
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Now that each team has won 2 out of the 3 games played at home, the Lakers once again are riding high and Phil Jackson is smiling his best Cheshire cat’s grin as he has the Lakers sitting in the catbird’s seat. Kobe Bryant has shown again in this series that he in unquestionably the greatest player in the game today and the player who may eventually replace Michael Jordan as the G.O.A.T. and Magic Johnson as the G.L.O.A.T.
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Pau Gasol rebounded from a frustratingly poor performance in the three games in Boston to have what may be the best Finals performance of his career, missing a triple-double by one assist. Andrew Bynum got the team off to a great start with strong defense, blocking KG’s first attempt to post up Pau Gasol, and attacking Kendrick Perkins after he grabbed an offensive rebound with a hard foul that forced the Celtics’ center out of the game.
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Heading into Game 7, the Lakers will look to repeat their performance in Game 6. Control the boards and pace of the game. Dominate the paint at both ends. Defend with energy, effort, and smart plays that avoid putting the Celtics on the line. Push the ball in transition to get easy shots before Boston can setup their vaunted half court defense. Run the Triangle Offense efficiently to ensure the team always has good transition offense.
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Look for another great game from Kobe, who will win a unanimous Finals MVP award. Look for Pau Gasol to continue to outplay KG. Look for Bynum to continue to help the Lakers get off to a great start. Look for Fisher, Artest, Odom, Farmar, and Brown to make big contributions. Look for the Lakers to show the East coast and ESPN biased basketball world what it really means to be play with the heart of a champion for the 16th time.
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TOM
Posted by: LakerTom | June 16, 2010 at 12:51 PM
*Lol, talk about off season. I don't posts but I read sometimes and after winning the ring everybody is a keeper and after 1 bad loss everybody is to be traded including the coach and GM. What else will be new this year? This Lakersblog family is like a dysfunctional family but our passion for the Lakers is what unites us.
We all need to slow down once in a while. It is good for the soul. I wish I can do the same. Freedom 55 is what I am aiming for, not there yet but pretty close.
Posted by: Jeanette | June 16, 2010 at 12:54 PM
This is no time to lose focus, my dear. Plus - no one can ever do it as good as you. No one. And I speak from experience here. Posted by: justanothermambafan | June 16, 2010 at 11:31 AM
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Justa dear, You really have to proof read these things. People might start talking. Lol! Alas...If only it were true! Just playing with ya don't get mad.
Mamba24
Posted by: mamba24 | June 16, 2010 at 12:55 PM
Mamba24,
I actually didn't post the Rondo headband deal, someone else did, but it is interesting.
Posted by: D(erek)J(eter) | June 16, 2010 at 12:57 PM
*Lol, talk about off season. I don't posts but I read sometimes and after winning the ring everybody is a keeper and after 1 bad loss everybody is to be traded including the coach and GM. What else will be new this year? This Lakersblog family is like a dysfunctional family but our passion for the Lakers is what unites us. We all need to slow down once in a while. It is good for the soul. I wish I can do the same. Freedom 55 is what I am aiming for, not there yet but pretty close. Posted by: Jeanette | June 16, 2010 at 12:54 PM
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Aint it the truth sister. Hang in there Jeanette.
Mamba24
Posted by: mamba24 | June 16, 2010 at 12:57 PM
LT,
I was hoping I'd see a post from you soon. Bynum played great defense in his limited minutes last night. When he's manning the paint, there are no easy baskets. I'd like to see him get a lot more minutes tomorrow night. Gotta leave it all on the court in this historic Game 7.
Energy. Hustle. Commitment.
Go Lake Show!
Posted by: The Outlaw | June 16, 2010 at 12:59 PM
Jeanette,
Definitely NOT true.
Oh sure, the blog opinion changes quite a bit during the season, but during the off season, clearer heads prevail. All the talk is draft choices, free agent signings, and trade machine proposals one after the other.
I can already tell you what I'd be thinking:
1. See if some miracle signing is even possible (Dwade, LBJ) - prob not, so...
2. Re-sign Derek and look for someone else to start (JF?)
3. Depending on 1 & 2, look to match weak offers for JF
4. Offer Shannon Brown what he made this last season and no more
5. Look for any sign and trade deals that will improve the team, many on the team right now are tradable in my eyes - the biggest chip being Lamar: caveat is that it IMPROVES the team.
6. Draft choice
Posted by: Tim-4-Show | June 16, 2010 at 01:05 PM
oh man.. already feelin the stress of a game 7... no more hard to digest or spicy foods for me for the next 24 hours.
Posted by: yellofever | June 16, 2010 at 01:06 PM
oh man.. already feelin the stress of a game 7... no more hard to digest or spicy foods for me for the next 24 hours. Posted by: yellofever | June 16, 2010 at 01:06 PM
Can i have your Taco after the game tomorrow then? Lol!
Mamba24
Posted by: mamba24 | June 16, 2010 at 01:08 PM
mamba24,
Yeah the Rondo headband rumor, uhm, that may be my fault. I'm not sure but I may have started it.
A couple of weeks ago on live Chat I posted that I thought the reason he wore it his headband upside down, was out of disrespect to the Logo. Now I had no facts at all to back that up, but it seemed to to fit the "I hate the Celtics narrative," so I just kind of threw it out there. Now if it turns out to be true, someone please tell me. The fact that he wears the Logo upside down EVERY GAME just drives me nuts.
Posted by: Mark G | June 16, 2010 at 01:11 PM
mamba24,
Yeah the Rondo headband rumor, uhm, that may be my fault. I'm not sure but I may have started it.
A couple of weeks ago on live Chat I posted that I thought the reason he wore it his headband upside down, was out of disrespect to the Logo. Now I had no facts at all to back that up, but it seemed to to fit the "I hate the Celtics narrative," so I just kind of threw it out there. Now if it turns out to be true, someone please tell me. The fact that he wears the Logo upside down EVERY GAME just drives me nuts.
Posted by: Mark G | June 16, 2010 at 01:11 PM
OH BY THE WAY FOR ALL CHAT LAKERHOLICS I'M STARTING TO HAVE THE SAME FEELING I HAD FOR YESTERDAYS GAME. At first I used my head and said a 10 or 15 point win. Now my Gut is telling me that this is going to be a win of historic margins. It might be close for a half but now I predict this is going to be at least a 30 point win. Of course my gut has also lied before lol! Be that as it may...WE GO THIS!
MAMBA24
Posted by: mamba24 | June 16, 2010 at 01:11 PM
Kobe on NBA TV
Posted by: You Ever Notice | June 16, 2010 at 01:12 PM
Mamba24 - there are a couple of things that would make me mad:
1. You don't come on here once in awhile before next season starts.
2. You come on next season but don't keep up with the bandwagons & roll calls.
3. You don't stop thinking I'll get mad when you tease me.
That's about it! LOL!
Nawwww - not much makes me mad - especially when it comes to all things Lakers and Laker blog related. Well... maybe 2 things:
1. The refs don't let the men play.
2. The men don't play with hustle and determination.
Otherwise I'm good!
Ok - you're caught up! Hey - you never did tell me what your equation stands for.... inquiring minds want to know!!!
And now back to your regularly scheduled programming....
Posted by: justanothermambafan | June 16, 2010 at 01:14 PM
As for Big Baby's claim that, the Celtics deserve to win game 7 more than the Lakers.
"Deserve's got nothin' to do with it."
~William Munny
Posted by: Mark G | June 16, 2010 at 01:15 PM
PERKINS OFFICIALLY OUT OF GAME 7
Posted by: You Ever Notice | June 16, 2010 at 01:19 PM
ALL I ASK IS A LAKERS WIN BY 50PTs TOMORROW!
Posted by: DaxxMD | June 16, 2010 at 01:21 PM
Wow, anyone else see the Perkins clip, I hate to say it but I feel for the guy (not the Celtics). He admits he'll probably never get back to the Finals. Ouch.
Posted by: Mark G | June 16, 2010 at 01:21 PM
Mark Geezy - you da man! Feel free to start ANY rumor that incites more loathing of green slime.
I'll confirm.
Posted by: justanothermambafan | June 16, 2010 at 01:22 PM
YEN - where do you see that?
Posted by: 22 AKA longtimelakerlover | June 16, 2010 at 01:23 PM
ALL I ASK IS A LAKERS WIN BY 50PTs TOMORROW! Posted by: DaxxMD | June 16, 2010 at 01:21 PM
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Sounds like a reasonable request to me.
Mamba24
Posted by: Mamba24 | June 16, 2010 at 01:23 PM
Though I would never wish any harm to a player, The irony of Perkins knee buckling after Bynum goes over the back of him, when the Celtics have essentially gone over the backs of the Lakers all series is Karma influenced indeed.
Kinda evens the playing field because Drew is on his last leg.
Posted by: You Ever Notice | June 16, 2010 at 01:24 PM
Justa, that was a good rumor wasn't it. It just felt so right. It had truthiness.
Posted by: Mark G | June 16, 2010 at 01:24 PM
the nba championship is so close i can smell it all the way from arizona! ha ha. one more GAME.....a GAME 7 no less. L.A. this is your CHAMPIONSHIP, YOU'RE THE DEFENDING NBA CHAMPS. PLAY LIKE CHAMPIONS ONE MORE TIME! you can do it. we all BELIEVE YOU CAN!
Posted by: Lakeshowinphx | June 16, 2010 at 01:24 PM
thanks MAMBA, we got this!
Posted by: DaxxMD | June 16, 2010 at 01:25 PM
Posted by: dewey
Apparently, there were BOXES of Celtic 2010 Championship Gear in the locker room ready for last night's post game celebration -- along with Celtics luminaries like Bill Russell who, it is reported, left the game, disgusted, with 3 minutes left to play.
Remember Trolls that I mentioned you could buy Celtic 2010 Championship Gear CHEAP on Friday Morning -- I might buy some myself, it could be a collectable, like Dewey Beats Truman newspapers!
WE GOT THIS!
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Can we say this is Boston's Balloon game? And even Better... They'll be back for game 7 also. so make that 2 Balloon games.
Posted by: You Ever Notice | June 16, 2010 at 01:26 PM
@TIM-4-SHOW "Bynum needs to become a different player than he is now if he wants to think Cooperstown... he's not even an all-star (yet)"
True, He Really Would Have to Become a "Different Player" if he wants to make it to "Cooperstown"!!! He'd have to change sports & leagues...
LMAO
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"WE ARE BASKETBALL, WE ARE LAKERS FANS!!!"
GO LAKERS!!! ONE, TWO, THREE, DOMINATE!!!
Posted by: Marc B | June 16, 2010 at 01:28 PM
Mark G
"Deserve's got nothin' to do with it."
One of my favorite all-time quotes
Great movie "Unforgiven"
Laker Fan's for sure know that "Deserve's" got nothing to do with it.
Posted by: You Ever Notice | June 16, 2010 at 01:29 PM
Last night I saw KG lying on top of Fisher while he was talking to an official about some percieved injustice. Of course all the while Fisher is lying there in agony as KG is sitting on him.
That incident plus KG twisting Kobe's leg while on the floor, KG pushing Lamar while he tried dunking after the whistle.
I hope before this series is over that KG's chin finds it's way to Artests' chin ala Rondo. I would love to see KG do the Big Baby dance like after he was "touched up" by Dwight Howard.
Posted by: JohnnyV | June 16, 2010 at 01:30 PM
PERKINS OFFICIALLY OUT OF GAME 7 Posted by: You Ever Notice | June 16, 2010 at 01:19 PM
WHY, WHY, WHY? He cudda been a contender...Cause he sure in hell wasn't gone win no title. I wish the Brother a speedy recovery and to show what a good guy I am I will personally escort him to the Staples center for the raising of the 16th banner and the Ring ceremony. lol! You know it would be funny as heck if the Ring Ceremony is schedule during a game we play against The Celtics next season. Lol!
Mamba24
Posted by: Mamba24 | June 16, 2010 at 01:31 PM
You Ever Notice,
I like Eastwood a lot, but that is probably my favorite Eastwood movie, and maybe my favorite movie period. And I totally agree with you, best line in the movie.
Posted by: Mark G | June 16, 2010 at 01:33 PM
@TIM-4-SHOW
"I can already tell you what I'd be thinking:
1. See if some miracle signing is even possible (Dwade, LBJ) - prob not, so...
2. Re-sign Derek and look for someone else to start (JF?)
3. Depending on 1 & 2, look to match weak offers for JF
4. Offer Shannon Brown what he made this last season and no more
5. Look for any sign and trade deals that will improve the team, many on the team right now are tradable in my eyes - the biggest chip being Lamar: caveat is that it IMPROVES the team.
6. Draft choice"
STAY ON TARGET!!! STAY ON TARGET!!!
But I must say that you're spot on regarding Derek and Jordan. Just like Ron Harper came off the bench so that Derek became the starting PG, Jordan has enough experience and, given the benefit of starter's minutes, has the potential to become a Tony Parker like PG.
I'll address the other points After the Season.
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"WE ARE BASKETBALL, WE ARE LAKERS FANS!!!"
"GO LAKERS!!! ONE, TWO, THREE, DOMINATE!!!"
Posted by: Marc B | June 16, 2010 at 01:33 PM
Mamba24
Sir, You are an Ambassador for sure
Posted by: You Ever Notice | June 16, 2010 at 01:37 PM
For FISHER and KOBE, in every huddle they should shout ONE, TWO, THREE, FOUR, RINGS !!!
Posted by: DaxxMD | June 16, 2010 at 01:39 PM
Mamba24,
Your Friend, 131, Needs to Stop Living in the Past and Change his Moniker to 67-89...
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"WE ARE BASKETBALL, WE ARE LAKERS FANS!!!"
GO LAKERS!!! ONE, TWO, THREE, DOMINATE!!!
Posted by: Marc B | June 16, 2010 at 01:40 PM
Wow, anyone else see the Perkins clip, I hate to say it but I feel for the guy (not the Celtics). He admits he'll probably never get back to the Finals. Ouch.
Posted by: Mark G | June 16, 2010 at 01:21 PM
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Do you know how many players, nay GREAT players have gone their whole careers without getting that RING? (can someone say Malone, Ewing, Barkley, etc...)
He got his.
I DO NOT FEEL FOR HIM AT ALL!
LAKERS TO CRUSH BOSTON IN GAME 7!!!!!!!
Posted by: HalosAnt | June 16, 2010 at 01:41 PM
KG on NBA TV
Hate him
but he just confirmed that Kobe was best player in the game.
Posted by: You Ever Notice | June 16, 2010 at 01:43 PM
Mamba24??? What does your equation mean???
It's bugging me.... :)
Posted by: justanothermambafan | June 16, 2010 at 01:43 PM
game 7 is for
Jerry West, Elgin Baylor, and Jack Kent Cooke
Posted by: You Ever Notice | June 16, 2010 at 01:45 PM
FROM CELTICS BLOG:
gahook wrote:
Will anyone "accidentally" hit Bynum's knee early in game 7? Send Scalabriene in......
Posted by: DaxxMD | June 16, 2010 at 01:45 PM
Wow the Season is almost over.
Was it me or did Garnett look like he needs a Prozac in that interview? That was one long face he had on.
Posted by: Mark G | June 16, 2010 at 01:47 PM
You know DAMN well that KG is kicking himself for not becoming a Laker...
yeah, he won ONE with the Celts, but he coulda strung together a FEW with Kobe.
You could say that he hitched his wagon to the wrong Shrek & Donkey...
Posted by: HalosAnt | June 16, 2010 at 01:47 PM
Boston fan take
If another team wins a championship, but we have a key player out due to injury......
Does it really count?
Posted by: You Ever Notice | June 16, 2010 at 01:52 PM
According to ESPN.com (Boston 1:44 PM PST Today), Perkins has torn both his MCL and PCL. Perkins said he will not play, again, according to ESPN.com.
Bynum Says He'll Play, Which is Good News.
Still, This is GAME 7!!! CAN'T GET COMPLACENT AND THINK IT'S OVER JUST BECAUSE PERKINS IS OUT!!!
WHAT I WILL SAY IS, THIS IS L.A.!!!
THE WHEELCHAIR BASKETBALL LEAGUE IS AT THE "Y", NOT THE STAPLES CENTER!!!
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"WE ARE BASKETBALL, WE ARE LAKERS FANS!!!"
GO LAKERS!!! ONE, TWO, THREE, DOMINATE!!!
Posted by: Marc B | June 16, 2010 at 01:54 PM
All these idiots - refusing ALL YEAR to give Kobe any credit. (Longer than that even...) NEVER giving him his props. Putting others before him who had NO BUSINESS being in the same conversation as him. Praising anyone not named Kobe Bean Bryant.
WELL.... you have had the hook inserted into your jaws and are now being dragged in front of the Mamba's altar. RENDER PRAISE you doubters. You haters. Wail and gnash your teeth. But render praise. Because it is deserved. Whether you like it or not.
Posted by: justanothermambafan | June 16, 2010 at 01:54 PM
Hey - you never did tell me what your equation stands for.... inquiring minds want to know!!! And now back to your regularly scheduled programming....
Posted by: justanothermambafan | June 16, 2010 at 01:14 PM
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Something to do with my spiritual quest and the nature of consciousness itself. Such as is it really possible for a person to be not just virtually in love but really truly in love with a person he has never seen. Is there such a thing as one true soul mate for each being? Can more than one consciousness exist simultaneously within one being. How did consciousness come into being How can a particle at one end of the universe respond in exactly the same way as another particle at the other end of the universe instantaneously since supposedly nothing is faster than the speed of light? To answer that one has to delve into the nature of consciousness itself and the very nature of reality. Crazy crap like that. I've studied physics and various religions for years and the more you study physics the more it seems to validate certain religions like Zen, Buddhism & Hinduism. What does all this have to do with anything? Heck if I know. See, now don’t you think I need a vacation? Lol! Any other answer to questions you’ll have to Email me cause I’ve said enough loony toon things for today.
Mamba24
Posted by: Mamba24 | June 16, 2010 at 01:58 PM