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Caught in the Web: Reactions to Lakers' 103-94 Game 2 loss to Boston Celtics

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Game stories

--The Times' Mike Bresnahan highlights why the Lakers couldn't stop Boston guards Rajon Rondo and Ray Allen in L.A.'s 103-94 Game 2 NBA Finals loss Sunday to the Celtics.

--The New York Times' Howard Beck focuses on the production from Rondo and Allen.

--The Boston Globe's Julian Benbow credits the Celtics' improved effort.

--NBA.com's Bryan Chu documents how Rondo bounced back.

--The Orange County Register's Kevin Ding showcases how the Lakers lost home-court advantage.

--The Riverside Press-Enterprise's David Lassen explains many of the things that went wrong in the Lakers' loss.

--The Washington Post's Michael Lee showcases how the Celtics were too much for the Lakers to handle.

--The Boston Herald's Mark Murphy features the Celtics' one-two punch in Rondo and Allen.

--The Daily News' Elliott Teaford focuses on the Lakers' fourth-quarter meltdown.

--Lakers.com's Mike Trudell dissects the team's performance.

Notebooks

--The Times' Bresnahan details Lamar Odom's struggles in the NBA Finals.

--The Riverside Press-Enterprise's Lassen labels Odom a "non-factor."

---The Boston Herald's Murphy is still waiting for Celtics forwards Kevin Garnett and Paul Pierce to produce.

--The Daily News' Teaford focuses on Tex Winter and Jack Ramsey winning the Chuck Daly Lifetime Achievement Award for 2010.

Sidebars

--The Times' Broderick Turner presents the good and the bad from Lakers forward Ron Artest.

--The Times' Lisa Dillman credits Rondo's contributions.

--The Times' Baxter Holmes dissects Allen's hot shooting night.

--The Riverside Press-Enterprise's Matt Calkins believes that Allen followed the advice of the late John Wooden, who famously said, "Make each day your masterpiece."

--The Daily News' Phil Collin looks at the disappearing acts from Odom and Artest.

--The Boston Globe's Frank Dell’Apa credits Rondo's aggressiveness.

--The Daily News' Jon Gold sets the scene of a lively Celtics locker room.

--Fox Sports Mitch Lawrence focuses on Allen's shooting.

--Sports Illustrated's Chris Mannix breaks down the key parts of the game and hands out a player-by-player and coaches report card.

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Columns

---The Times' Bill Plaschke doesn't like the officiating, but chalks up the Lakers loss to a lack of effort on defense.

--The Times' T.J. Simers takes the referees and Boston fans to task.

--The Times' Mark Heisler compares this NBA Finals series to the 1984 Finals match-up between the Lakers and Celtics.

--In the Times, Former Clippers Coach Mike Dunleavy faults the Lakers' defensive strategy on Rondo and Allen as well as the team's shot selection.

--There were plenty of things in the Lakers' loss that left ESPN.com's J.A. Adande scratching his head, including Kobe Bryant's foul trouble.

--AOL Fanhouse's Sam Amick credits Rondo's "deceivingly-deadly ability to dominate."

--As long as the refs don't get in the way, Sports Illustrated's Chris Ballard thinks this will be an epic series.

--The Daily News' Vincent Bonsignore explains how Bryant's foul trouble limited his contributions.

--The Orange County Register's Ding argues that the Lakers deserved to lose Game 2.

--ESPN Boston's Chris Forsberg highlights the Celtics' fourth-quarter run.

--Former Laker Rick Fox expresses concern at ESPN Los Angeles that this team mirrors the 2004 Lakers, who lost to Detroit in the NBA Finals.

--NBA.com's Scott Howard-Cooper says Allen "was working off a movie script."

--Fox Sports' Mark Kriegel argues that Rondo saved the Celtics' season.

--ESPN Boston's Peter May details how Allen bounced back from a rough Game 1.

--ESPN Los Angeles' Dave McMenamin chalks up the Lakers' loss to their eight missed shots and three turnovers in the final quarter.

--The Orange County Register's Jeff Miller implores Laker fans not to believe the sky is falling.

--The Riverside Press-Enterprise's Gregg Patton describes the Finals as a "crazy series."

--The Boston Globe's Bob Ryan chalks up the Celtics' win to teamwork.

--The Boston Globe's Dan Shaughnessy believes the Celtics put together a performance that would make their predecessors proud.

--ESPN Los Angeles' Ramona Shelburne shares her take on the bipolar play from Artest.

--The Orange County Register's Marcia C. Smith says she was touched by the Lakers' tribute to Wooden.

--Yahoo! Sports' Marc Spears describes Allen's performance as a "Michael Jordan moment."

--Sports Illustrated's Ian Thomsen credits Boston for overcoming adversity.

--AOL Fanhouse's Chris Tomasson wonders if Rondo's performance will get people to start pronouncing his first name correctly.

--The Orange County Register's Mark Whicker believes that there was very little the Lakers could do to stop Rondo.

--The Orange County Register's Randy Youngman does some number-crunching.

Blogs

--ESPN Los Angeles' Andy and Brian Kamenetzky break down the Lakers' horrible play in the last five minutes of the game.

--Forum Blue and Gold's Darius credits the Celtics with increasing their effort in Game 2.

--Silver Screen and Roll's DexterFishmore wasn't impressed with the Lakers' offense or their defense.

--Celtics Blog's Greg Payne highlights four key differences between Games 1 and 2.

--Hoopsworld's Eric Pincus examines key parts of the game.

--NBA.com's Sekou Smith calls Artest's play a "nightmare night."

--Yahoo! Sports' Adrian Wojnarowski calls Rondo "some kind of elastic man."

Tweet of the Day: "So was the time out called before Doc was on the court? BTW -- I believe the actual rule is the coaches box but that's never enforced" -- EricPincus (Hoopsworld's Eric Pincus)

Reader Comment of the Day: "I didn't know it was possible for a coach to run out to the middle of the court to call a timeout. I would have thought that would result in a technical. Silly me." -- bronxlakerfan

-- Mark Medina

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Photo: Celtics guard Ray Allen arrives too late to prevent a three-pointer by Lakers guard Kobe Bryant in the fourth quarter of Game 2 on Sunday. Credit: Robert Gauthier/Los Angeles Times

Photo: Lakers point guard Jordan Farmar tries to find the ball as Celtics guard Nate Robinson begins to secure it during a scramble in the second half of Game 2 on Sunday. Credit: Robert Gauthier / Los Angeles Times

 
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Hard To Find the Humor

...but at least Mike T's Big Body Theory had nothin' to do with the loss last night. Green beat us with long ball. Our big bodies are better even if their calves don't bulge.

Everyone outside of Boston and LA wants 7 games, home office should be thrilled.

With all deference to my blog brother Jon K, I think "We Got This" is about faith, and I got that.

Andrew

"Obviously, we can get more touches," he said. "But that's still not going to help us beat this team because you can't beat them on on one. … We have to create more movement and more motion to create confusion, and that's what we did during Game 1.

Our boy has grown up. Harbinger of better things to come. GO Lakers!

Important new stats for the pundits next year:

Phil Jackson teams 47-1 after winning Game 1 of a playoff series.

And, Lakers now 2-10 against Celtics in Finals.

Let PJ go to New York and Fish go to the Clippers.

Blow it up, Mitch!

VMan,

" I think "We Got This" is about faith, and I got that."

I've got it too, brother, but mine is a fierce, serious faith, not a lighthearted one.

I'm ready to storm the beaches at Normandy, not jump on a rollercoaster at Magic Mountain.

What do we play for? RINGS!!!

Lakers Today... Lakers Tomorrow... Lakers Forever.

GO LAKERS!!!

VMan," I think "We Got This" is about faith, and I got that."
I've got it too, brother, but mine is a fierce, serious aith, not a lighthearted one. I'm ready to storm the beaches at Normandy, not jump on a rollercoaster at Magic Mountain. Posted by: Jon K. | June 07, 2010 at 10:49 AM
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JON K I'm with you alll the way Brother!!

Important new stats for the pundits next year:

Phil Jackson teams 47-1 after winning Game 1 of a playoff series.

And, Lakers now 2-10 against Celtics in Finals.

Let PJ go to New York and Fish go to the Clippers.

Blow it up, Mitch!

Posted by: dewey-LUSIONAL | June 07, 2010 at 10:42 AM
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Important new stats for the pundits next year:

Phil Jackson teams 48-0 after winning Game 1 of a playoff series.

And, Lakers now 3-9 against Celtics in Finals.

Let PJ go to Montana to Relax & Re-Boot for his FOURTH 3-PEAT RUN and Fish will use clippers to maintain control of his facial hair.

BHere's a cigar, light it up, Mitch!

Laker fan-

I told many times ... Becareful what you wish for!!!

BTW too bad all of John Woodens titles dont count since they were won in the 1960s. He mighta been a good coach!

Ken Mauer.

That's the only thing that needs to be said about Game 2.

IT’S STILL ABOUT THE MATCHUPS !!!
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If you know basketball, then you know that this series is over even though the Celtics managed to steal Game 2. While the Celtics head back to Boston with home court advantage, their hopes and aspirations to win this series are just fool’s gold because Games 1 and 2 clearly demonstrated that the matchups that fueled Boston’s 2008 championship triumph have now shifted strongly in the Lakers favor. The Lakers are simply the superior team.
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I said before this series started there was no way the Celtics could defeat the Lakers if Kobe Bryant, Pau Gasol, and Andrew Bynum dominated their matchups with Paul Pierce, Kevin Garnett, and Kendrick Perkins. I also said that I could see Ray Allen shooting the Celtics to a surprise win or even the refs gifting them another win. But bottom line, as long as the Lakers controlled those three key matchups in this series, they will triumph.
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What we saw last night was simply the Lakers losing track of Ray Allen and the Celtics coming up with some questionable calls from the refs and big plays from Rondo in the clutch that enabled them to steal a road win. More importantly, however, we saw Artest once again hounding Pierce to another poor game, Gasol once again schooling KG, and Bynum once again dominating Kendrick Perkins. Expect more of the same in Boston.
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Look for the Lakers to regain control of the boards in Boston and to pound the Celtics into submission. The Lakers will win 2 of 3 games in Boston to return home with a 3-2 lead heading into Game 6 at Staples Center because there is no way the Celtics can win without major contributions from Pierce, Garnett, and Perkins. The die have been cast. Kobe will not have another subpar game and the Pau and Drew will continue to dominate.
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For the weak hearted and the doubters, these are not the 2008 Celtics and Lakers and there will be no magical emergency of Leprechaun trickery or miracles in Beantown so stop biting your nails and fretting over nothing. This is an over-the-hill team with worn-out and belittled KG, a frustrated and hounded Paul Pierce, and a Mike T. Kwame clone getting destroyed by a one-legged beast of a Bynum. Ray and Rondo are not reasons to fear.
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Nothing has changed. It’s still all about the matchups. No disrespect the Celtics but it’s still Lakers in six.
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TOM

Laker fan-I told many times ... Becareful what you wish for!!!BTW too bad all of John Woodens titles dont count since they were won in the 1960s. He mighta been a good coach!Posted by: 131-92 | June 07, 2010 at 10:58 AM
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Stop that 131! John Wooden is the greatest Coach that ever lived including Phil and Red. Now to business. It appears your boys learned too well. I really like that Rondo. Maybe we can take him off your hands when you decide to blow up the team. Magnificent game sir. But can they carry the momentum forward? I think not. So it's 1 to 1 say the Lakers win the next one. that's homecourt right back. Of course if they lose the next one it doen't really matter as long as we win one in Boston. You are not winning 4 in a row sir I'm sorry. But let's see how it plays out. Congrats!on a good game.
Mamba24

FYI, out of kobes 5 fouls.. 3 were called on the offensive end..

So we're not even talkin questionable calls with kobe playing defense... Maybe those I can live with.. But all 3 of kobes fouls were ON OFFENSE with kobe with the ball and the celts floppin that came at very critical junctures in the game...

How many times does that ever happen a player.. U tell me??? Call it happenstance but its kobe we're talkin about not a dumb rookie

Don't even tell me the refs didn't have a prior agenda... I'm not lettin this one go by displaying good sportsmanship and taking it up the azz... NO WAY NO HOW!

If you know basketball, then you know that this series is over even though the Celtics managed to steal Game 2. For the weak hearted and the doubters, these are not the 2008 Celtics and Lakers and there will be no magical emergency of Leprechaun trickery or miracles in Beantown so stop biting your nails and fretting over nothing. This is an over-the-hill team with worn-out and belittled KG, a frustrated and hounded Paul Pierce, and a Mike T. Kwame clone getting destroyed by a one-legged beast of a Bynum. Ray and Rondo are not reasons to fear. Nothing has changed. It’s still all about the matchups. No disrespect the Celtics but it’s still Lakers in six.
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MAGNIFICENT!!!! In addition to being a LakerHolic I am now also a LakerTomHolic!!! Lol! OUT FREAKIN STANDING SIR!!!!!
MAMBA24

The refs were atrocious again but that's not the reason they lost. The Laker guards were killed by the Celtic guards and that's the whole story. Our bigs held their own. The entire Laker team has to do better on defense. Let's go, Lakers! Get wins in Boston!

Here is something for the conspiracy theorists to chew on:

LAL - PHX Series: Lakers are on a roll and have just taken a 2-0 lead. Talk about a sweep permeates the blogs. Then came Game 3. Huge disparity in fouls go against the Lakers who lose the game and the momentum. Series gets extended to 6 games.

The lead referee: Monty McCutchen.

LAL - BOS Series: Lakers just beat BOS convincingly to take a 1-0 lead. Talk starts permeating the blogs that this could be a short series. Then came Game 2. Kobe Bryant gets saddled by questionable calls and sits on the bench for the equivalent of more than one quarter. Lakers lose in the closing minutes.

The lead referee: Monty McCutchen

Conincidence, right? Or is Monty, in reality, Stern's 'Equalizer'???

QUESTION: With the Finals now a minimum of five games, who would be the biggest loser if the series were a sweep?

CLUE: Sunday night TV ratings, NBA Finals, Game 2
8:00 p.m.: 7.9/14 (#1)
8:30 p.m.: 9.7/16 (#1)
9:00 p.m.: 11.1/18 (#1)
9:30 p.m.: 10.4/16 (#1)
10:00 p.m.: 12.3/19 (#1)
10:30 p.m.: 13.9/22 (#1)

ANSWER: ABC.

Lakers lost because of transition/fast-break defense. They lost because they stopped swinging the ball, and not get their bigs touches on each critical possessions. They lost because they failed to box-out Rondo for critical offensive rebounds. Compounded with late minutes turnovers and forced shots, and you get a big 'L' at the end. PLAIN and SIMPLE.

The Snake,

I see what you see.

What do we play for? RINGS!!!

Lakers Today... Lakers Tomorrow... Lakers Forever.

GO LAKERS!!!!

Mamba-

Sorry but Rondo is not available. Even if you offer Sasha and Luke.

Last nite was a perfect example why I call Run Run ... Dribble Dribble.

I thought Laker fan had made it perfectly clear that Titles won in the 60s dont count? I was lead to believe that Basketball didnt begin until 1980!

Important new stats for the pundits next year:Phil Jackson teams 47-1 after winning Game 1 of a playoff series.
And, Lakers now 2-10 against Celtics in Finals.
Let PJ go to New York and Fish go to the Clippers.
Blow it up, Mitch!
Posted by: dewey-LUSIONAL | June 07, 2010 at 10:42 AM
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Important new stats for the pundits next year: Phil Jackson teams 48-0 after winning Game 1 of a playoff series. And, Lakers now 3-9 against Celtics in Finals. Let PJ go to Montana to Relax & Re-Boot for his FOURTH 3-PEAT RUN and Fish will use clippers to maintain control of his facial hair. BHere's a cigar, light it up, Mitch! Posted by: HalosAnt | June 07, 2010 at 10:53
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HALOSANT you are my new hero!!!! OUT FREAKIN STANDING!!
MAMBA24

The Snake,

I see what you see.

What do we play for? RINGS!!!

Lakers Today... Lakers Tomorrow... Lakers Forever.

GO LAKERS!!!!

Posted by: Jon K. | June 07, 2010 at 11:29 AM

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One could say that Stern gave us the Full Monty. 8-(

One could say that Stern gave us the Full Monty. 8-(
Posted by: The Snake | June 07, 2010 at 11:35 AM
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OUTSTANDING SNAKE, OUTSTANDING!!!!!!
Mamba24

Whatever happened in last game will not happen tomorrow. Lakers will regain the momentum where they will head back to Staples Center and win it in front of their home crowd. The Celtics big three will continue to struggle while Rondo and Allen will get shut down as the Lakers bigs get in the paint for the touch-ups. Kobe will only be more agile and ferocious on the attack and defensive end. Lakers now, forever, and all the way. Six games like you all say will suffice.

We will not regret calling out for Boston for this series...even for the next five years we will want them and why? We got them..Do not brag about 2008 that's history and it will not repeat this year. This Laker team is far more different, versatile and matured than 2008. How many times did they meet since 2008? 6 times, 4 in regular season and 2 here in the finals. What's the score? 4-2 for the Lakers, and do not brag about your home court, because we beat you 2x there since 2008. You might say it's regular season, but the fact is this two team don't care whether it's regular season or the finals because every time they meet they want to cancel out each other. We lost yesterday and I will not mind how the refs did their job, their human...but you cannot deny the fact that the Lakers won the battle in the paint for the last 2 games, your 3 pt shooting will be addressed in the games to come and I think I've seen your best shot and that was it...Boston's demise is at hand..to us Laker fans it's like 2 steps back three steps forward...we are not losing my comrades, we are gaining some grounds...WE ARE INTIMIDATED, WE WILL NOT BE SHAKEN...LAKERS FOR LIFE......

CORRECTION...WE WILL NOT BE INTIMIDATED, WE WILL NOT BE SHAKEN.....LAKERS FOR LIFE....

Rondo is something else. I can only imagine what PHX would do with him - they drafted him, but traded him to BOS because D'Antoni didn't trust his jump shot!

You don't find many guards who can regularly post a triple double.

Rondo's defense on bryant was fantastic at times. That poke in the late 4th was huge. And Rajon's move that fooled bynum was spectacular.

It felt good to hear about LakerTom´s encouring thoughts. I feel so bad after this loss. Tomorrow at basketball practice i will have to suffer from some serious trash talking from a die-hard celtic fan. I´am so happy when we get this done, i am kind of anxious right now

It's not about Rondo, or Allen, for that matter. We've dealt with quality guards and 3 point barrages already in the playoffs.

It's about the Lakers missing too many shots 1st half, and committing too many mental mistakes 2nd half.

That is why we lost.

In my eyes it is 2-0 Lakers!


Ray Allen should have 5 fouls and Kobe 3 fouls only at the end of games. If Kobe was allowed to play by the refs and the way he was attacking the basket, Ray Allen would be in foul toruble.


Every Laker played great, except they got limited by the refs unfair calls. The C's Perkins, Garnett and Paul had a very bad game, there is no way C's could have won that night even with Allen's shooting.


Lakers up by 3 points in less than 4 mintues to play. With all the bad calls and momentum breakers called by the refs, this is obviuosly a Lakers WIN, that was not allowed by the NBA REFS AND MAYBE NBA executives.


THEY SHOULD HAVE CALLED THE 2008 Finals like this and Boston would have lossed their physical play and Lakers would have won in 2008. Lakers should be on a THREE PEAT RIGHT NOW!


EVERY BODY GETS PENALIZED in the NBA!


Coaches! Players! General Managers! Owners!


David Stern can penelaized any of this individuals including the whole organization is he wants to, he makes tha call and pretty much no one can do anything about it.


Who penalizes the refs when they make a bad call after a bad call, IN AN NBA FINALS! That could change the OUTCOME of who brings home the CHAMPIONSHIP?


IT IS TIME FOR DAVID STERN TO BE PENALIZED AND HIS WELL PROTECTED NBA REFS, and it could only come from NBA FANS!!!


IT IS TIME TO REPLACE DAVID STERN!



"Cuz the TROLLS in tha Blog are alway dumb..."

Sleazy E.

Hey Jon K.,

Time to activate the Purple & Gold Iron Man Suit cuz E.W. is flinging more CRAP your way... again...

Jon K

Feelin' more of a quiet, confident Laker Tom faith that the prize is ours.

Recently put up the Pyramid in my boy's room and re visited "Poise". "Don't be thrown off by events either good or bad."

And #4 in the 12 lessons of leadership: emotion is your enemy.

As you know, Coach knows.

As a Lakers fan, I send my congratulations out to Radio voice Spero Dedes:

FOX SPORTS RADIO weekend host BEN MALLER is reporting on his website that LOS ANGELES LAKERS radio voice SPERO DEDES will be named by CBS as one of the television network's NFL play-by-play voices. MALLER says that DEDES, who did some college basketball for CBS last season, will be announced as the replacement for the departed DICK ENBERG, who left the network to become the television play-by-play voice of the SAN DIEGO PADRES, this coming NFL season. [Source: AllAccess.com]

VMan,

"Feelin' more of a quiet, confident Laker Tom faith that the prize is ours."

Mine is more angry. True power is always taken, never given.

We need to take this ring.

We need to walk into Boston bathed in hatred and spit in their faces.

This is the time that the Black Mamba truly needs to live up to the venom of his name and I have every confidence that he will.

Over the next three games we need to earn the hatred of Celtics trolls and embrace it.

Champions must always face adversity and thrive in it. Well, here it comes. Be ready.

What do we play for? RINGS!!!

Lakers Today... Lakers Tomorrow... Lakers Forever.

GO LAKERS!!!

Lakers need to go TD Garden and practice their free throw shooting. They missed 10 shots last night 31 out of 41. Those are free shots in the Finals compared to Celtics missing only 6. Another area of improvement are rebounds, we should own the paint with two 7 footers, plus long hands Odom, bulky Artest. There is no reason why Rondo could get the rebounds. Lakers also kept on shooting long balls and missing them a lot in Game 2 5 out of 22 only compared to shooting accuracy of RA, all in all Celtics launched only 16 shots and made 11. Folks, that is the difference of the game. I don't think chasing RA will be a good strategy because leprechauns could hide between screens or just keep on moving till they get a free look. We have to go on switching guards which was done in the 2nd half wherein Gasol, Bynum or Lamar should help in covering RA and fast in switching in covers. Help defense should be perfected to optimum in order to discourage those long treys and pick and roll by Rondo. Double teaming must be a perfect seal like a dam trying to prevent the flow of water. When double teaming are porous and slow motion, then it becomes ineffective, that's how Celtics get freebies.
Lastly, Lakers should capitalize their size advantage. Go for Bynum and Gasol. Kobe and Artest should go to the hoop or mid jumpers than shooting treys.

Again, we always takes things for granted after winning Game 1, lethargic behavior comes back, over confidence in the blog becomes the prevalent feeling. I see complacency on some players as if they are a 3 year old treating games like going with Dora on an exploration route. It is the Finals folks, you can just wish it, pray for it, you must be get hungry and grab it with strong will. Lamar is still daydreaming, Farmar committing similar season t/o's, Shannon still indecisive with the ball, Artest balling ball like tweeting and very meek, the team as whole are very individualistic showing their own star power. If these games are about the Finals, then give your best, not just Sunday best but the very best game ever. These are the last few games of the season. In two weeks time, we will determine our fate. Many teams compete for the Finals and only the last two will be part of it. What is the rationale in bringing in the inconsistent behavior or going for the on-off switch? Stop the "We Got This" statement, nobody understood it anyway. lol!

"Please leave me alone. Isn't the guilt I have to endure every day for what I did enough?"

The most highly evolved response ever on this blog. Excellence.

MM

Since the blog's beginning I've never suggested a ban but you don't need to take a meeting to know the LA Times does not want that on their site.

i am kind of anxious right now
Posted by: germalakerfan | June 07, 2010 at 11:51 AM
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Join the crowd German Laker Fan, most of us are anxious.

Look, I am a little bit anxious before every game during the season.
The anxiety level increases during the playoffs and maxes out during the finals.
I just cannot buy into this outlook that some have who think with certainty, who are just absolutely positive the Lakers are going to win, or that the Celtics are going to win.

Celtic fans are anxious too. Sure, a few of them come here with bluster just as some Lakers fans do the same, and they talk some smack back and forth. That's natural, all in fun ribbing of the other, goes on all the time.

But really, know one knows who is going to win the next game or the series.
That's why they play the games and sometimes the underdog wins.

Who thought Joe Namath was crazy to say the Jets could beat the mighty Colts (just about everyone thought he was a bit nutso).
How about those Mets beating an Orioles team that won 108 games with an all-star cast and three 20 game winners in the World Series.
In the Superbowl the underdog has won 13 times.

Maybe the Lakers are better on paper, maybe not, doesn't matter.

Maybe Allen will get crazy hot in 3 more games, maybe Rondo will play like a demon, maybe they can stop Kobe and maybe Ron and LO will continue to be an offensive weakness.

Sure, the reassuring talk saying the Lakers will be fine feels good and I like to read it it as much as anyone.

Seriously Laker Tom (and others), I love those reasons you post why the Lakers will win and your general analysis, but when I read it I substitute the word "should" win.

Sure, I still think the Lakers will win. But I sure don't feel positive they will win.

Not being sure if the Lakers will win does not make one less of a fan and does not make one less loyal.

I would hate to see the Celtics, of all teams, win this. But I have to admit that they just might do that.

The anxiety of watching the game and hoping for your team to win is one of the reasons sports are so fun to watch. It generates feelings of excitement and yes, anxiety.

If there is ever a bandwagon that just says, Anxiously Hope We Win This Bandwagon, I'm all for it and will happily drive it all alone if need be.

For those of you who are positive the Lakers 'got this', more power to you. I really wish I could force myself to have that feeling, but for me, it just isn't natural. No offense to anyone here is intended, many make good points and this blog is a great place for Laker loyalists to hang out.

And if you examine way down deep inside, do you not feel any anxiety watching the games and "hoping", not knowing, that your team will win, regardless of whether you be a Lakers or Celtics fan?


Wow. Well, that sucked. At the beginning of this series, I was mentioning to those around me that the only Celtic I was truly afraid of was Ray Allen. The dude is just sick when he gets hot. The positive though is that not only is Allen streaky, outside shooters can be contained.

Bynum's play has been inspiring. He seems ultra focused on the prize. This can only mean good things.

I don't like Artest. I hope we can overcome him

I'm not really sure what to make out of Kobe's seemingly lazy attitude. I hope this doesn't have negative effects on rest of the team.

I absolutely do not see Lamar having a third straight bad game. Although I sometimes cringe when I see him shoot a three, I think he needs to be in that "I can do anything" mindset, which includes him taking shots from the perimeter.

I think this series is going to come down to effort and who wants it more. I can only hope 2008 doesn't get forgotten by our fellas.


Go Lakers!!!

After Sunday's game, Paul Pierce said, "we ain't coming back to L.A."
He's right, the Lakers are going to take all three in Boston.

Agreed that the Lakers didn't deserve to win. The lack of defense and the unexplainable play of the Lakers, would doom them against any good team. We see Shannon Brown, leaving Ray Allen wide open-to collapse and help his two(!) team mates guard Perkins. Perkins is no offensive threat, only Allen from the Celtics. The desire of subs to come into the game and be heroes leads to many long, pointless jump shots. Get the ball inside guys, we rule there. But does anyone doubt that the NBA is desperate for a seven game series. Do the announcers, pundits, sports writers and commissioners really think we don't believe our own eyes? The free throw total only shows how much more sophisticated the refs have become. You don't always need free throws to win. The fourth quarter, every possession was awarded to the Celtics. As a life long Laker fan I hope and expect to see the team win another championship. But this is the last season I will ever follow the NBA. Like most every institution, corruption has destroyed the game. Why bother to watch professional wrestling. Laker players go for a lay up and get mugged and everyone in the stands knows they will never call any important fouls on the Celtics at crunch time. Only suckers bet on manipulated games.

Mr. 131-92
You are hilarious sir, I love to read your posts. Mr. LakerTom, you are a pompous windbag sir, I also love to read your posts. This is a great blog and beats my hometown one at the Boston Globe. I always get a lot of laughs! I loved last night's game, who could not? It went down to the wire and was truly exciting. We outrebounded you guys in case you did not notice it. It seemed that on every shot there were multiple green shirts under the basket. The boyz from Bahstan came to play and did they ever. I think that we have more mentally tough players, plain and simple. What happened to the Laker offense in the last 5 minutes when it really mattered? I think Artest is still dribbling the ball trying to run out the clock!!!! Phil said that was one of the more unusual sequences he can remember, what a riot! He is a basket case and Lamar seems to be his brother. Bynum was impressive but he is not consistent. If KG and Pierce get going this could be a 5 game deal. And what is all this about your bigs out bigging our bigs? Bynum vs Perkins, KG vs Gasol, Davis vs whomever and Wallace vs whomever. We have guys just as big or within a couple of inches. Having said that I have to agree your bigs have done better in many ways than our guys have. Don't be surprised if that changes in Boston. And we have a substantial edge at guard.
Go Celts!! I still say we win in 6!

Anyone else want to agree with me that Bill Russell and his 11 rings wins GOAT? He even won championships in college. He was a one man wrecking crew. And no, not even Mr Ego Black Mamba could win a game without a strong supporting cast. Now that 131-92 has gotten everyone to agree, in brilliant fashion, that titles won in the 60's count, how can I be wrong??

Note to Phil, please make a game time adjustment!!!

1. Ray Allen is shooting over a shorter player, how about put Sasha on him next game.

2. Stop man to man defense and play 2-3 zone, nullify ray allen getting lost off so many screens.

3. Start Sasha, give Fisher a rest!!!

4. Do not put Brown on until its cigar time!!!

5. Tell Artest not shot a 3 pointer unless it is in the final second of shot clock.

6. If the bigs have a hot hand, give them the dame ball!!!

7. Call a time once in a while!!! Be good to yourself


Remember the Bulls lost game 1 to a team mixed with youth and veterans. Then won the next 4 games because of superior offense and defense. I don’t need to tell you who the team was.

I believe this series is like the 76'ers/lakers series in 2001. We are the better team and I think we will sweep the Celtics in Boston. The Lakers are pissed right now and the Celtics are giddy that they took one game.


Peace!!


Aaaaaarrrrrhh!!!


Angry_Laker

So Bill Russell and MJ did not have all-star starting casts to help!!! Please!!!

Kevin Tully get the F of this board you are an official board idiot.

Come back when you done a basketball history degree and answer your question with facts!!!

Aaaaaarrrrrhh!!!


Angry_Laker

MM.....

Thanks for the RCOTD. I'm just sad that I had to write it. It's hard to believe that none of the three refs enforced that rule. And to boot, the pundits and commentators were praising Doc Rivers for his "hustle" in calling the timeout. Inactive player Brian Scalabrine was on the court as well. Unbelieveable. I've loved basketball since I was a little kid, but stuff like that makes the NBA increasingly hard to stomach.

That was a great quote bronxlakerfan.
I wish a bigger deal would have been made about it.
Too bad the refs can't be interviewed like the players are.
What a joy that would be to watch.

Angry Laker,
You forgot to take your meds today, calm down man! You think the Lakers will sweep the Celts in Boston? You think the Celts are giddy they won one game against the invincible Lakers and will now roll over? You have not been paying attention if you believe that. I don't think even diehard Laker fans believe that.
Also it is not nice for you to tell me to get the F off the board, you should have better manners! I will have difficulty sleeping tonight after that one.
Also, you misunderstood my prior post. I was agreeing that Russell had a great supporting cast but that Kobe did as well. My point is that Russell was a more dominant force as one man than Kobe has been on his championship teams.

Art-FL Lakers Fan...

Thanks. It's almost as though the media will never criticize the refs too much. It's as though they fear an NBA blacklist.

Please accept my apology, I don’t know what came over me. I was trying to act like Boston Fan!!

You know your team is in trouble, the Lakers are going to pound the middle and take Ray & Ron out of the game.
I respect the Boston but the Lakers are more dangerous team period. These Celtics are nowhere as good as the 2008.

Aaaaaarrrrrhh!!!


Angry_Laker


Gotta say...

That these people that are pretending to be regular contributors such as Jon K. and Edwin really make this site less enjoyable for everyone. What's the point?

Art- That is a fair assessment (why I am optimistic). I'm no cheerleader blogger like many others here. I predict based on analysis, and I'm usually correct. I stand by my belief that the Lakers will win this series.

First of all, the Lakers have handled Boston during the regular season for the past two seasons... at Boston. Playing the Celtics on the road doesn't phase the Lakers.

Second, the Lakers destroyed Boston game 1, and only lost game 2 because of Laker mistakes, nothing Boston did.

Third, despite all they went through, the Lakers very easily could have won game 2.

Fourth, Boston has no answer for the Laker bigs, nor do they have an answer for Kobe when Kobe is on his game.

Fifth, nothing the Celtics can throw at the Lakers will impact them much. The Celtic front line is too small to take on the Laker front line. Pierce is dangerous, but containable under Ron Artest. Duncan can't win a game by himself anymore. Ray Allen has proven that he comes and goes offensively, and Rondo is no different than Deron Williams or Steve Nash.

There are only a few teams in the league that can straight out beat the Lakers. Boston isn't one of them. IF the Lakers end up losing the series, it will be because of their own mistakes, including poor shooting and mental lapses. Boston can't beat the Lakers, the Lakers can only beat themselves.

kevin tully....

Very valid points about Bill Russell. Truly great player who revolutionized the game on the court and advanced social consciousness off of it.

But, do the names of Sam and KC Jones, Cousy, Heinsohn, and Havlicek ring a bell? HOFers all. Russell didn't do it by himself.

Kobe has played with one certifiable HOFer. Shaq. Eventually Pau and Bynum may approach that level of achievement. And don't talk about Malone and Payton. They were only Lakers for a year.

It also good to keep in mind that while Bill Russell was in the midst of his HOF career, his home in Boston was burglarized and the intruders defecated in his bed. Not a simple burglary but a hate crime. Nice city, Boston.

BronxLF,

I am totally helpless in trying to address the issue to Mark Medina. How can he allow somebody maltreat his own blog by stealing names and handle? I don't fault Jon K for that but the LAT IT automatic posting. Totally, they are out of control and allow it in order (maybe?) to propagate more post or create more blog sensationalism.

We are loyal to the Lakers Blog of LA Times, we are not paid to post, at least our names and posts should be treated with a little protection from virus seekers. If Laker Times cannot protect us, who will?

Boston can't beat the Lakers, the Lakers can only beat themselves.
Posted by: troy | June 07, 2010 at 02:22 PM
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I sure agree with that troy.
Hence my anxiety.
:)

bronxlakerfan

You are very articulate and make very good points so I concede that to you. I still feel that Russell was the most dominating player of any era and if I were to start a team I would pick him over Kobe any day of the week.

You mention an unpleasant episode in Russell's time in Boston and it is a true story which reflected poorly on our city, but that was back in the 60's when people were not as enlightened as they are today. That is not Boston today. I am sure Kobe feels that his incident with the girl in Denver doesn't reflect what kind of man he is today either.

Cheers!

We wuz robbed!

Does Stern love Boston? What was with all the phantom calls on Kobe and Odom?

You know without that we'd have crushed the PATHETICS again.

Stern just wants a long series. Sickening.

LAKER DOMINATION OF THE BASKETBALL NATION

Rick,

The game pulled a 22? That is unheard of! If there ever was a reason to...you know...sorta...help the series get stretched out a little, that would be a good one.

Not saying that's what happened, mind you...

--FEARless

The three refs had a total of 18 games of Finals experience (or something similar), though...

uhhh.... KG couldn't get going as the refs threw 2 fouls on him before he got on the court. Trust me; Pierce is going to be on fire 2 games this series and KG will forearm shiver Artest and Pao.

Celts in 5. This baby is ov-AHHH.

bronxlakerfan,

Do not forget that its a player and not the coach that's supposed to call a time-out anyway.

It sux when the refs are calling the game tight, but only picking and choosing which plays they are cracking down on. Making Boston set legit screens could have helped keep the game under control, too.

--FEARless

Celtic Pride...read my comments after game 4....you will not like it....but you will learn a lot about basketball....stop hallucinating it is not good for your small brain...

Edwin - I've often asked the readers here when weighing the positives and negatives of automatic posting whether they'd want me to go back the old system or keep the automatic posting. It seems to be that the majority like the automatic posting even though there are times trolls come by. We block IP addresses but unfortunately users can create new ones. We can certainly go back to the old system. But you have to keep in mind this: it will be a longer process to approve comments given my other responsibilities with covering practice, going to games and what not. For example, I flew to Boston today and none of these comments would have been posted had I had it under the old system. Just thinking to keep in mind.

MM

Edwin - I've often asked the readers here when weighing the positives and negatives of automatic posting whether they'd want me to go back the old system or keep the automatic posting. It seems to be that the majority like the automatic posting even though there are times trolls come by. We block IP addresses but unfortunately users can create new ones. We can certainly go back to the old system. But you have to keep in mind this: it will be a longer process to approve comments given my other responsibilities with covering practice, going to games and what not. For example, I flew to Boston today and none of these comments would have been posted had I had it under the old system. Just thinking to keep in mind.

MM

It's now made obvious that the NBA execs are trying to stretch this series and make it dramatic.

Game 1 was full of questionable calls against Boston, helping the Lakers win easily. Game 2 was full of questionable calls against the Lakers, helping the Celtics take the win.

If the Lakers had gone up 2-0, a lot of people wouldn't have tuned in.

The Lakers will obviously win at least one game in Boston, if not two. But Stern and the NBA are salivating over 7 games, and will pull strings here and there to make that happen.

MM Please answer the following:;

1. Why did Phil not see the Brown guarding Ray was not working.

2. When is Phil going to use the 2-3 zone

3. Is someone going to give Artest a lesson on shot selection

4. Will Phil start Sasha over Fisher!!!

Aaaaaarrrrrhh!!!


Angry_Laker


Please. It's good that you lakers fans have hope, but it is misplaced and delusional. This thing ain't headed back to LA. Banner number 18 will be hanging in the rafters at the GAHHHH-den. Trust me.

You have no one to stop Rondo and Ray, and KG/Pierce both took the night off. Pao and Bynum played the best they could play and you still got beat. And beat by >10.

What happens when Pierce lights it up tomorrow and KG is back being a monster?

If I were a laker fan I wouldn't be upbeat. At. All.

There is no solution to this problem. Let us change the old guys from NBA management and leadership with new young evolving leaders. David stern is only thinking in terms of dollar. Referees do what they are told to do by David Stern. We need new democratic leaders not dictators.

Angry_Laker - 1. Phil eventually did see it wasn't working on Brown. That's why he switched to have Kobe guard Allen. 2. No teams except Phoenix plays a zone. I don't think Lakers are equipped to do that anyway. 3. Believe me, Phil and his players have mentioned numerous times to Ron about his shot selection. He just doesn't listen. 4. Starting Sasha over Fisher does nothing. Did you see Sasha almost single handedly lost Game 6 against Phoenix? Have you seen how well Fisher has played for most of the postseason?

MM

There are some mistakes made by Lakers such as playing individually by Kobe dribbling the ball more than required. The lakers was showing more of individual competition with each other than playing a team sport against the Celtics. The referees called fouls as soon as Lakers had the ball. This is done intentionally by David Stern who is old enough not to heed the needs of those dynamic players. He wanted to take it to 7 game series. It is pathetic. Let's revolt to change the 19th century leaders with dynamic and evolving young leaders. I am glad I stopped watching basket ball long time ago.

FEARless....

The timeout rule has been changed in the last couple of years. Coaches are now allowed to call timeouts. But not like Doc did last night. Coaches ARE allowed to call time from the sidelines.

kevin tully....

A calm discourse is always welcomed. Bill Russell was indeed a great player. No doubt. And some of the change that you mentioned can be directly traced to his greatness. The sins of our fathers only serve as reminders to us of how we should strive to live. We move forward.

New to this blog but not new to the game, most of you faker fans are already making excuses when reality comes in the form of ANOTHER celts championship ie, Lakers can only beat themselves, the refs are against us, david stern wants it to go seven games, aliens from outer space want the celts to win. Get a grip and take your loss with dignity, act like you've been there; oh that's right you were in 2008.

Hello remember me? GO BOSTON!!!

Let's go CELTICS!!!

Do you know the way to LOSER's land?

Very objective Laker fans, you discount all the bad fouls on the Celtics,(davis block, pierce block, Kobe's and 1 where there was no contact) foul trouble for Celtic players. Ray Allen was taken out of game 1 and Garnett in game 2. You forget The title you have when you BEat? the Kings in 02? You shot more threes and 15 more free throws. Discounting the fouling in the last minute to stop the clocks, the free throws would have been a greater difference.


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