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Caught in the Web: Lakers' off-season heating up

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Just a programming note: We will be having a chat at 1:30 p.m. today to talk about all things free agency. See you then!

Lakers links

--The Times' Mike Bresnahan and Broderick Turner report that the Lakers are considering offering Jordan Farmar a one-year, $3-million contract in order to avoid losing him as an unrestricted free agent. The report also quotes a source familiar with the thinking of the Lakers' front office who says the Andrew Bynum trade rumors are "ridiculous."

--The Times' Mark Heisler muses over all the hoopla regarding LeBron James' free agency.

--The Times' Chris Erskine manages to track down Ron Artest's psychologist.

--ESPN Los Angeles' Andy Kamenetzky breaks down the free agent options at forward and center, and which players would be a good fit for the Lakers.

--Ball Don't Lie's Trey Kerby makes fun of Pau Gasol's singing, pitching and post-game celebrations.

--ESPN Los Angeles' Ramona Shelburne talks to a team source who says money has nothing to do with Phil Jackson's uncertainty on whether he'll come back to coach.

--NBA.com's Sekou Smith argues that if Brian Shaw coaches Cleveland, the move would improve the Cavaliers' chances in keeping James.

--The Cleveland Plain Dealer's Brian Windhorst reports that talks between Cleveland and Shaw ended without him being offered a contract.

--Silver Screen and Roll's Gil Meriken breaks down the high volume of fouls in the Lakers-Celtics series.

Tweet of the Day:"I played the second quarter in game seven with a weggie. Super uncomfortable" -- RONARTESTCOM (Lakers forward Ron Artest)

Reader Comment of the Day:"I really hope Pj returns. It makes this championship bitter sweet if he leaves." -- Charles

-- Mark Medina

Follow the L.A. Times Lakers blog on Twitter: twitter.com/latmedina. E-mail the Lakers blog at mgmedin@gmail.com

Photo: Lakers Coach Phil Jackson's coaching future with Kobe Bryant and the Lakers will likely be decided this week. Credit: Wally Skalij / Los Angeles Times.

 
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Chris Bosh - 24 pts, 11 rebs, 52% with Toronto

What would those numbers be with the Lakers?

17 pts, 10 rebs, 58% ?

A Lakers line up of Gasol, Bosh, Artest, Kobe, and a good pt guard would be very impressive.

We all know, we need a sign and trade to get Bosh. And although we on this blog are specialists at doing such a thing, teams rarely can accomplish that feat.

In trades and FA signings, it takes two to tangle, but with a sign and trade, all three entities have to agree and feel the deal is in its best interests.

First Bosh would want to play with the Lakers, he does, but they have to agree to a price. What does Bosh want, the maximum? Toronto is willing to pay that. Whatever that is, that has to be established first.

Step two, once that has been established, the Lakers would have to offer players to Toronto of equal value, that the Raptors agree to. This is the tough part, but Colangelo says they are not only willing to do a sign and trade, but it would be desirable to do so. Seattle wasn't with Rashard Lewis and let him go with no compensation to Orlando. The Lakers don't have that liberty to just sign him.

Back to step one, the money. Wanting near max money, (15-17 mil?)who could the Lakers counter with to match? Odom and lots of parts? Lamar a solid bench player, makes 8.5 per year. Let's say, add Sasha (5), Farmar (2.8) and you might be able to tempt Toronto to take it.

But does that make any sense to the Lakers having a fantastic front line, all making near max, and one of them coming off the bench, probably Bosh. Would he agree to a relegated bench job? I don't think so.

Any deal would have to make Bosh a starter, which means either Pau or Bynum being involved.

Now if I was Toronto, I would be asking for Bynum, no question about that. He's our prize in any trade deal. But for such a prize, they would have to take some of our junk contracts. (Luke?) And perhaps, throw in a quality point guard.

With the upcoming free agent scramble to complicate any trade and sign, any deal would have to go down fast.

Plus, the Lakers are under no pressure to make any deal at all. They are pretty good as they stand in the front line.

This is why I think any Bosh deal, no matter how we think it will improve the Lakers, will not go down. Its just too complicated, and not a necessity to the Lakers.

Posted by: Fatty | June 30, 2010 at 07:29 AM

Fatty,

you wrote: Back to step one, the money. Wanting near max money, (15-17 mil?)who could the Lakers counter with to match? Odom and lots of parts? Lamar a solid bench player, makes 8.5 per year. Let's say, add Sasha (5), Farmar (2.8) and you might be able to tempt Toronto to take it.

my response: In general, I don't disagree with what you wrote. One thing
though. If Bosh says, "do a sign & trade with LA". and they don't do it.
Bosh could walk & then Toronto wouldn't get anything in return.

So ... Taking some of the Lakers "dubious" contracts would probably work.

Anyhow, that's my .02 cents.

hobbit...

Your right, there is a lot I missed with my take. But I wanted to get it out there for discussion. It is not a hypothetical exaggerated trade proposal. I think Toronto and the Lakers are going through the motions of such a deal. They would be irresponsible if they didn't.

It would be a tough one to complete, but it is possible something could happen. I just feel with all the rush of free agency, it will make it even tougher to consummate.

So ... I've written about this before & at the risk of having LakerTom

toss out more Bynum kool-aid ...

I think I make a trade of Bosh for Bynum because Bosh is a better player.
I don't know that I do Bynum & Odom because it does weaken our bench.

On the other hand, the F's listed in the Kam bros. article are interesting.

I guess we'll know in the next 24 hrs.


ANDREW BYNUM TRADE RUMORS
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
From LA Times article by Mike Bresnahan and Broderick Turner
http://www.latimes.com/sports/la-sp-lakers-20100630,0,2902883.story
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
“One player who isn't expected to leave is Andrew Bynum, whose name has been dropped in numerous trade rumors, all of which are "ridiculous" insinuations, according to a source familiar with the thinking of the Lakers' front office.”
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
TOM

For what it's worth,

I probably don't trade Sasha. :)

Hey Lakerfans, you want a trade???

Trade Pau Gasol for Ray Allen and Big Baby. Period.

TO FANS IN FAVOR OF BYNUM TRADE SHOULD READ BELOW:

(BEGIN)
"One player who isn't expected to leave is Andrew Bynum, whose name has been dropped in numerous trade rumors, all of which are "ridiculous" insinuations, according to a source familiar with the thinking of the Lakers' front office."
(END)

Ridiculous is right, once again, what the management thinks behind the closed doors and what the bandwagoneers experts think are of two separate worlds, former based on knowledge and the latter Diarrhea of the mind.

Hey Ricky,

You want a trade?

You leave here forever, go to the Celtics blog and stay there and one of their posters can come here.

Bynum is a good player, no doubt about that, but if he cant stay healty next year, a think is time to make a trade. Bynum can be the "Roberto Dueñas" in this Lakers team. Pau play with dueñas at Center in his time with F.C. Barcelona, and played very well. Pau was a amazing three point shooter, a amazing ballhandler. He really was a point guard with PF body. A very very impresive player. Now, he only can play PF and C (NBA limited his skills a lot)

With Bynum playing the whole year in the middle, Pau can play in his real posititon, PF. But not forget, Healthy is key for Bynum next year.

And of course, Lakers need for the next year a backup center (Marc Gasol, maybe...). I think Marc Gasol is better than Bynum, buttt....

Bosh is better player that Bynum, but I think this trade is impossible.

If Bynum cant recover his injuries, he will be the Sam Bowie 2.0 version.

12 hours until the biggest shopping day of the year.

All I want for xmas:

Phil.

3peat.

Lots of tacos.


p.s. What do you call the phenomenon where the posters you least want to read are the most prolific?

So we here on the cusp of free agent signings. The merits of various players and trades have been debated ad infinitum here for days. I have a challenge. Between now and 9 pm project the Lakers position by position on opening day.
Cut and paste and fill in the blanks.

---------------------------------------------------------------
COACH
-
STARTING 5
1-
2-
3-
4-
5-
BENCH
6-
7-
8-
9-
10-
11-
12
--------------------------------------------------------

In my mind, only Kobe and Pau (All-Stars) and Luke (untradable) are a lock.
I'm going to pass, as most of you are way better at this than I am. But I think it'll be more fun to post your 2010-2011 projected Lakers roster than to just seal it in an envelope til opening day. Go for it!

Bynum for bosh in a new york min an throw in luke for an asst coach cuz we mite lose b shaw... i dont see that many opt for the rapes really he can walk for nothing. resign fish if he takes less money farmar brown can walk dont give a damn cuz back up gaurds we can find those anywhere dont have to spend alot of money on one (the big thing for me is to sign mike miller)
lamar-sasha-mike-an a big body of the bench 3peat.

So ....

As LakerTom continues to throw out the Bynum kool-aid ...

let me say what I already said which he has chosen to forget because he's
enamored....

We have two different stories out there. 1 from the times and 1 from

http://thelakersnation.com/blog/2010/06/29/trade-rumor-bynum-lamar-for-bosh/

snippet:
The Lakers also are expected to enter the picture with a bid for Bosh as it became clear in the Finals they need more scoring. And you can be sure they don’t want to see a LeBron/Bosh pairing in Chicago with Rose and Noah to go against. The Raptors would like to get something in a sign-and-trade for Bosh, but they likely won’t deal him in the East. The Lakers are expected to offer Andrew Bynum, a legitimate low post center, and Lamar Odom, and take back Jarrett Jack, whom the Raptors would like to move

This trade rumor originated here:

http://www.nba.com/bulls/news/smith_100628.html

Do *I* know if either story is true? No. Do *I* care if either story is true?
meh.

Why this trade rumor is *remotely* of interest?

I do *NOT* want to face LeBron, Wade & Bosh for the next 3 years.
It would be worth it to me to make the trade JUST TO STOP THAT!

LakerTom obviously doesn't like trading his pet project. I don't care.

FAN isn't worth responding to.

Andrew Bynum = Roberto Dueñas

Phil Jackson returns, re-sign Derek Fisher, sign Steve Blake, sign Craig Smith, sign Raja Bell... done.


What do we play for? RINGS!!!


Lakers Today... Lakers Tomorrow... Lakers Forever.


GO Lakers!

Hey FL.

I´m not a Lakerfan, I´m not a Celtic Fan. I´m a Pau Gasol Fan and a F.C. Barcelona Fan. For all the spaniard, the more important think is the Pau Gasol career in the NBA. We want a Pau Gasol playing for the best teams (Celtics and Lakers obviously) and establish his legacy as the best big man all time what won championships with Boston and L.A.

For us the Spaniards, Lakers and Celtics become irrelevant. Only Pau count (Rudy, Sergio, Calderon, too)

Maybe you think Lakers is a great organisation, and he is, but we are F.C. Barcelona fans (100.000 every game) You little organisation for my and maybe for Pau, is a joke. Sorry, but that is what it is.

Lakers championship parades: 70.000, maybe 80.000

F.C.Barcelona championships parades: 2 millions.

Period.

RICK...Here you go
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
COACH
- Phil Jackson
STARTING 5
1- Derek Fisher
2- Kobe Bryant
3- Ron Artest
4- Pau Gasol
5- Andrew Bynum
BENCH
6- Lamar Odom
7- Sasha Vujacic
8- Steve Blake
9- Mike Miller
10- Devin Ebanks
11- Luke Walton
12- Derrick Character
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
TOM

The endless trade scenarios drive me nuts.


Actually, this whole offseason period drives me nuts.


What do we play for? RINGS!!!


Lakers Today... Lakers Tomorrow... Lakers Forever.


GO LAKERS!!!!

Here in Barcelona, we can see thinks that we cant understand:

Why Walton is untradable????????? he cant play.
Why Vujacic is a media favorite player in L.A.????????? je cant play.
Why Farmar become Laker for life???? He need another system and maybe another ligue.

Let Farmar walk.


He has a bad attitude.


What do we play for? RINGS!!!!


Lakers Today... Lakers Tomorrow... Lakers Forever.


GO LAKERS!!!

Ricky,


We don't care about Barcelona.


You have a massive inferiority complex. It is completely annoying.


Now go and play in traffic, little boy.

What do we play for? RINGS!!!


Lakers Today... Lakers Tomorrow... Lakers Forever.


GO LAKERS!!!

Rick, no.

1.- Fisher
2.- Bryant
3.- Artest
4.- Gasol
5.- Trade (maybe Shaq??????)

6.- Odom
7.- Bynum
8.- wait and see
9.- wait and see
10.- wait and see
11.- Character
12.- Ebanks

I do wonder if the Lakers front office has talked to Dirk.

Having Dirk & Pau on the court, at the same time, with Kobe
would be SICK!!!

Hey hobbit, que pasa, como va eso. Felicidades por el título.

Good idea, but I think Dirk is untradeble.

Kobe
Artest
Dirk
Pau
Trade (shaq or equivalent)

WOOWWWW

The Beast version of Drew, which shows up a few weeks every season right before a devastating injury, is better than Bosh. No doubt about it. The only question is whether Drew can bring out the Beast for an entire season. It's a gamble either way.

im not a phil jackson fan never was he's very over rated a caoch wit 2 superstar players an a above average bench going to win titles no mater who the coach, look at doc river before KG an ray allen combined an made the big 3,an paul p was crying the same same song as kobe was demanding the team do something are trade him cuz he jus came off a 20 win season doc was about to get fired, Its funny what a few superstars can do for a head coach.
Whats all this disrespect for byron scott for i dont get it,look at what he did for the nets-hornets build them from the ground up hahaha the nets still havn't recoverd an the hornets are on there way out.
Phil made 14 mil last year,we trying to cut cost i rather cut jacksons contract than lamar who the lakers are trying to get rid of.

>>>Trade Pau Gasol for Ray Allen and Big Baby. Period

I'd like to trade Ricky for 131-92.

It's fun to mock Ricky for his over-aggressive manlove of Pau, but it would be even more fun to mock 131 right now. :-)

Jerry Buss is a great owner. Right now if there was an exclusive owner hall of fame he would clearly be in it.

He is a great owner because he spends money, and more often than not spends it wisely. And it works for him. I have no idea how much the Lakers pay Buss family members. But even with the luxary tax, the Lakers reward Buss and his family very well with I am sure great salaries and very good profits.

If Buss has helped bring a wealth of championships and great memories to Los Angeles, Los Angeles has brought a lot of wealth to the Buss family and I am sure great memories. Now is not the time with Kobe, Pau, and Drew to be a skin-flint.

Use the mid level if a quality player is available, get a good point guard. Yeah it isn't my money. But I buy Laker stuff I help the Laker company. I in a very small way have helped make Buss and his family very wealthy over the years. Continue to remember that Buss family, continue to remember that.

>>>Now if I was Toronto, I would be asking for Bynum, no question about that.
>>>He's our prize in any trade deal. But for such a prize, they would have to take
>>>some of our junk contracts. (Luke?) And perhaps, throw in a quality point guard.

Fatty,

That's a deal I would definitely take - Bynum+Walton for Bosh+Jack. Lakers keep 3 quality front court players and trade a decent but injury prone player for a decent PG who's never missed more than 3 games in a season and shoots well from everywhere (41% on 3's, 48 % overall, 84% free throws last season).

>>>If Bynum cant recover his injuries, he will be the Sam Bowie 2.0 version.

For once, Ricky posts something sensible. Unfortunate and unnerving, but sensible.

Ricky,

if you were paying attention to the NBA, you'd know that Dirk indicated
he was going into Free Agency. The same with Paul Pearce. Ray Allen's
contract is expired.

in case it has escaped you, this is a Lakers blog not a Pau Gasol blog.

Do you actually *CARE* what any Laker fan thinks or is this all about
you?

y Felicidades por el partido con Portugal.

Rick,

This is a cool exercise. Here's my take

COACH
- Phil Jackson
STARTING 5
1- Derek Fisher
2- Kobe Bryant
3- Ron Artest
4- Pau Gasol
5- Andrew Bynum
BENCH
6- Lamar Odom
7- Sasha Vujacic
8- Steve Blake
9- Shannon Brown
10- Devin Ebanks
11- Luke Walton
12- Derrick Character

MM

Rick Friedman,

I'm assuming we should post who we WANT as opposed to who we think the Lakers will have.


COACH
-Phil Jackson

STARTING 5
1-Derek Fisher
2-Kobe Bryant
3-Ron Artest
4-Pau Gasol
5-Andrew Bynum

BENCH
6-Lamar Odom
7-Jordan Farmar (on a 1-year-for-1-more-ring deal)
8-Sasha Vujacic
9-Shannon Brown
10-Luke Walton
11-Kurt Thomas OR Brad Miller (veteran's minimum - filling MBenga's role)
12-Devin Ebanks (filling AmMo's role)

(perhaps you didn't know - the minimal roster is 13 players)

13 - Derrick Caracter (filling Powell's role for less money)

I think the best odds of repeating is to keep 1-10 of the depth of the previous year, get everybody healthy, and try to upgrade the bottom of the roster a bit.

Wrote a little off season song for our good freinds the Celtics. Thought it might be fun to send this to all my Celtic fans after hearing for years how superior they were in crunch time. Well it really is crunch time for Beantown and this song will help explain where they are right now.

Song :The Celts are Losers (Lyrics)
Artist(Band):With Apologies to The Beatles (played to the tune I’m a Loser) Original Beatles Song http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KynpC1e9I9E

The Celts are losers
the Celts are losers
And they’re not what they appear to be

Of all the games they’ve have won and lost
there is one team they should have never crossed
The chance to win this series was one in a million, my friend
You all knew the Lakers would win in the end

Celts are losers
And now they lost the series and the BIG 3
Celts are losers
And they are not the team they want to be

Although they laugh and Big Baby acts like a clown
Beneath the mask they wear a frown
The Truth’s tears are falling like rain from the sky
It is because Doc n Ray Allen will be gone and so he cries

They are losers
the Celts lost the series and now Rasheed
They are losers
And KG is not what he used to be

What did the Celtics do to deserve such a fate
Danny made them too old and left too late
And so it's true, pride comes before a fall
Red & Johnny should be telling you so that you won't lose all

The Celts are losers
they lost the series and now they are history
They are losers
And they are not the team they want to be

Kobe's Achilles heel:

No one is without chinks in their armor, and, Kobe is no exception to this rule. He has few of his own and the most notable one is his grasp of "team" concept. All great leaders understood the importance of team dynamics and have gone on to not only bring out the best in ordinary men during adversity but also have transcended themselves into becoming some of the greatest in history of mankind.

Kobe is consumed with being the “Greatest Ever”, and don’t be fooled, unfortunately, this obsession is his Achilles heel, it the catalyst that derails him from team concept, exposing his weakness as a true leader. It is the same catalyst that drives him into “ball hog” tendencies. Why has Kobe not won more than one MVP honors, the answer is simple, he simply has failed to grasp concept of team spirit.

>>>Phil Jackson returns, re-sign Derek Fisher, sign Steve Blake, sign Craig
>>>Smith, sign Raja Bell... done.

Well... not quite. Not sure if either MBenga or Powell will be back. I guess you've filled Powell's spot with Rhino. I'm cool with that. But they'd also need a deep backup center...

If one of them would be willing to take the veteran's minimum, how about either Kurt Thomas (for better defense) or Brad Miller (for better offense)?

I will go with MM choice. The only change I would like to have, since Shannon opted out, will try to chase the rights of Ricky Rubio and trading the LO & Shannon who have good trade values. This would require a great deal of negotiations between Rambis & Kupchak through the intercession of Pau on the Spanish side. Lakers should try to sign also Blake and Ridnour as back up to Fisher + Rubio. The more PG's good shooters, the faster the game of Showtime 2011.

A one year deal for Farmar is a smart move. I hope he takes it. He knows the system, can hit 3s and has handles. Sign him and then add bench firepower via the vets minimum.


Wes

Ricky,
Shut up CTM

Y Ricky, eres una mala copia del original.

Remember folks Mitch will cut costs as primary objective of Laker owners. He will maximize the returns or exchange of expiring contracts including opt out contracts too. Veteran F/A's are willing to go on two year deal splitting the MLE or going with Vet's minimum. The second objective is to lure them on getting the 3rd ring. Therefore, all these rumored F/A's Blake, Ridnour, Watson, Bell, Miller are all agreeable to 3-4M contracts on two year deal. Anything more will e a no-deal proposition.

PJ will be back depending on his health. He may retain the $12M where Magic will chip in. He may decide to call it quits while ahead of the game too.

COACH
-Phil Jackson
STARTING 5
1-Derek Fisher
2-Kobe Bryant
3-Ron Artest
4-Pau Gasol
5-Andrew Bynum
BENCH
6-Lamar Odom
7-Steve Blake
8-Sasha Vujacic
9-Luke Walton
10-Ian Mahinmi
11-Devin Ebanks
12-Derrick Caracter

To Hobbit,

Thanks, ahí estamos. El nuevo chiste en España es cuando Villa se pregunta en voz alta porqué ganaron a Portugal. Respuesta de un aficionado: PORTUGOL.

For me the free agency not work with superstars as Dirk, kobe, Wade and others. This players are the superstars for his teams and are obviously untradebles (theory of balanced forces)

Sorry Mark Medina, but Andrew Bynum can´t play (he has not play in 5 seasons a whole season). Lakers need found a backup Center now. Shaq and Bynum sharing the middle will be amazing.

Coach
Irrelevant (PJ will be a perfect fit for this team)

Starting Five

Fish (hummmmmm)
Kobe
Artest
Gasol
Shaq (or equivalent)/Bynum (bynum as backup in order to limite his playing time b/ injuries. The man cant stay healthy a whole season)

Odom
wait and see
wait and see
wait and see
wait and see
Character
Ebanks

I think Lakers should renove the entire bench (Farmar, Brown, Vujacic, Walton, Mbenga, Morrison.... out)


>>>For us the Spaniards, Lakers and Celtics become irrelevant. Only Pau count
>>>(Rudy, Sergio, Calderon, too)

Okay, here's a bonus special fantasy trade, just for Ricky:

Lakers send Andrew Bynum and Sasha Vujacic to Toronto
Lakers send Lamar Odom to Portland

Toronto sends Chris Bosh and Jose Calderon to the Lakers
[optionally Toronto sends Marco Belinelli to Portland]

Portland sends Rudy Fernandez and s&t Joel Przybilla to the Lakers

----

From Toronto's perspective, they get Bynum+Sasha, plus get to dump off Calderon's contract and still have Jarrett Jack at point.

From Portlant's perspective, they get Lamar Odom, who they reportedly wanted, they give up only Rudy Fernandez + Przybilla (who won't get off the bench anyway if Oden gets healthy).

---

And the Lakers reduce salary by a couple million and end up with this:

C: Gasol, Przybilla
PF: Bosh, (hire someone)
SF: Artest, Walton
SG: Bryant, Fernandez
PG: Calderon, Fisher

(I'm sure Ricky would start Rudy ahead of Kobe, but that's another story).

So how do you like THAT trade, Senor Ricky?

OLE!!!!

Coach
Bill Sharman
Starting 5
1. Happy Hairston
2. Jim McMillian
3. Wilt Chamberlain
4. Gail Goodrich
5. Jerry West
Bench
6. Pat Riley
7. Leroy Ellis
8. Keith Erickson
9. Flynn Robinson
10. John Q Trapp
11. Jim Cleamons

Oh, sorry HD error

>>>If Bynum cant recover his injuries, he will be the Sam Bowie 2.0 version.

For once, Ricky posts something sensible. Unfortunate and unnerving, but sensible.

Posted by: LongTimeLakerFan | June 30, 2010 at 10:02 AM
<<<<


C'mon LTLF! That's ridiculous!

Last time I checked Bowie was the 2nd pick in the draft behind Hakeem, but most notably, ahead of MJ. Also, he has no rings. Zero.

And of course, Ricky has never made any sense!

He should GTFO! Go find a Barcelona blog little ricky!



Almost the same as LTLF except bring Fish off the bench.

COACH
-Phil Jackson

STARTING 5
1-Jordan Farmar (1 yr, make good or gone after 1 yr but give him his chance)
2-Kobe Bryant
3-Ron Artest
4-Pau Gasol
5-Andrew Bynum

BENCH
6-Lamar Odom
7-Derek Fisher
8-Sasha Vujacic
9-Shannon Brown
10-Luke Walton
11-Kurt Thomas OR Brad Miller (veteran's minimum - filling MBenga's role)
12-Devin Ebanks (filling AmMo's role)
13 - Derrick Caracter (filling Powell's role for less money)

Oddly, I started off that Spanish-connection trade as a joke, but in many ways it works out.

Portland really does want Lamar (or at least they did), and Rudy has been whining about not playing enough. A front court rotation of Camby, Aldridge, Odom plus Oden (when he's healthy) is pretty strong. And they'd still have Miller, Batum, and Roy starting with Bayless as a bench scorer plus a couple of players parked overseas that they could bring in. And I think they also have a little bit of cap space.

Toronto would love to get something for Bosh, and they were reportedly shopping Calderon at the trade deadline last year (thinking they could rely on Jack for less money). Bynum would be a plum, Sasha fits their international flavor and he expires in a year - so they'd get out of their two biggest contracts and have cap space next summer (plus a core of Bynum, Turkoglu, Bargnani, Jack, and DeRozan).

And while Calderon's defense isn't any better than Fisher or Farmar, he's taller than tham and a much much much better passer and shooter than either of them. Last season Calderon shot 40% on 3's, 48% overall, and averaged 6 assists to only 1.5 turnovers per game.

And note that that trade would actually save the Lakers 2 million next season as well. There is the issue of Bosh & Calderon's ongoing contracts, but still...

Or if Toronto would prefer to keep Calderon, the deal also works with Bosh and Jack coming to the Lakers (plus Rudy Fernandez and Joel Przybilla).

mmmmmm. I kinda like my Spanish Connection trade.

Hey LTLF, Calderon and Rudy are great players. Calderon as Fisher´s backup is not a bad idea and Rudy really can shoot very very well.

You think Pau Gasol is Center??????

Pau should run the triangle as PF. He is really a PF, not C (he cant guard big bodys as Howards, Perkins, Shaqs etc.... every time) Pau need Andrew Bynum healthy and a Backup C b/c Bynum´s injuries (Shaq will be perfect) Pau admire Shaq as player, great player. Bynum and Shaq sharing the post will be perfect for Pau. Bynum and Shaq for rebounding, defendind, blocks shooting and Pau only working in offense with Kobe.

Oh my this is crazy day with all these scenarios.....

Folks let's sit back and look at this rationally - some of you are thinking about trading out half the team that is currently under contract and went to the FINALS each of the last three years! Oh my - there is craziness with some of you today - just crazy!

Oh my this is crazy day with all these scenarios.....

Folks let's sit back and look at this rationally - some of you are thinking about trading out half the team that is currently under contract and went to the FINALS each of the last three years! Oh my - there is craziness with some of you today - just crazy!

Bring back KWAME BROWN:

With Mbenga and Powell most likely gone, the Lakers will need to sign an inexpensive veteran big man. Kwame has the length, he has the strength and physicality, he has the defense, and he already knows the triangle. This time around, he won't have the pressure to score, or to be a starter. Similar to Artest, he would have a chance at redemption if he helped bring home a threepeat. By all accounts, all of his teammates loved Kwame when he was a Laker (not to mention he was one of the more entertaining interviews in the league). If he is willing to take a paycut, he would be an ideal backup on this team.

Please bring back Kwame.

COACH
-Phil Jackson
STARTING 5
1-Derek Fisher
2-Kobe Bryant
3-Ron Artest
4-Pau Gasol
5-Andrew Bynum

BENCH
6-Lamar Odom
7-Steve Blake
8-Sasha Vujacic
9-Luke Walton
10-Kyle Korvar
11-Devin Ebanks
12-Derrick Caracter

Although I Believe We Will Again Be Pleasantly Surprised by How Much Jerry West's GM Talent Rubbed Off on Mitch Kupchak (i.e., A Move or Two that We Would Otherwise Think Highly Unlikely), Here's My Take Based Upon the Limited Information We Have Available to Us:

COACH
- Phil Jackson
STARTING 5
1- Derek Fisher
2- Kobe Bryant
3- Ron Artest
4- Pau Gasol
5- Andrew Bynum
BENCH
6- Lamar Odom
7- Sasha Vujacic (Trade Bait for Trade Deadline if He Doesn't Step Up & Perform Like He Did in the 07'-08' Season)
8- J Critt
9- Tracy McGrady
10- Devin Ebanks
11- Luke Walton
12- Derrick Character

T-Mac the Next Glenn Rice, J.R. Rider, etc. to Ride the Laker Championship All-About-The-Love Boat? Quite Possibly...

Moreover, if he remains healthy, he could be a stellar benchmate for LO.
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GO LAKERS!!!!! ONE, TWO, THREE-PEAT!!!!!

The problem with Kwame is that I'm not sure he ever did figure out the triangle.

BENCH
6-Lamar Odom
7-Steve Blake
8-Sasha Vujacic
9-Shaq ( Great Addition)
10-Kyle Korvar
11-Devin Ebanks
12-Derrick Caracter

OOOOHHHHH IGet it...I Finaly figured out how Ricky was getting hus numbers.

See what Ricky is doing is he's talking about the FC Barcelona Soccer team, not the FC Barcelona Basketball team that Pau played for.

Nice try Ricky.

>>>Last time I checked Bowie was the 2nd pick in the draft behind Hakeem, but
>>>most notably, ahead of MJ. Also, he has no rings. Zero.

Well, no comparison is ever exact. You can't step into the same stream twice.

But in terms of drafted highly, big expectations, perenially injured, could have been so much more if he'd stay healthy. Definite Bowie match.

Art - FL,

Good thinking. If Fish wouldn't be too put out, give Farmar a chance to start. If he falls on his face, move him back to a backup role in January and don't re-sign him. If he works out, great - you've got your replacement for when Fish is gone.

LTLF,

So after your Spanish Connection trade, the Lakers would basically be Kobe + the Spanish national team. We might as well call ourselves FC Los Angeles.

PLEEEEASE DO NOT RE-SIGN FARMAR.

Bowie was a superplayer, in the same level of Hakeem or Edwing.

FC. Barcelona, Basketball section is amazing, too. 20.000 every game and now we build a new stadium (50.000). F.C. Barcelona is the most important sport organisation around the world, man.

>>>Pau should run the triangle as PF. He is really a PF, not C (he cant guard big
>>>bodys as Howards, Perkins, Shaqs etc.... every time)

He did most of the guarding of Howard in the 2009 finals, and the Lakers did fine. And you have to remember that there are only a handful of teams in the league that have Centers that big and strong. Most nights Pau would be guarding guys like David Lee and Al Horford, who he can handle just fine.

And if Pau is struggling vs one of the big C's, Have Pau tag-team with Przybilla to wrestle with them. He's a bit like Perkins - not much offense, but big strong body with good defensive skills.

BENCH
6-Lamar Odom
7-Steve Blake
8-Sasha Vujacic
9-Bell
10-Kyle Korvar
11-Devin Ebanks
12-Brad Miller

EJK,

>>>So after your Spanish Connection trade, the Lakers would basically be Kobe
>>>+ the Spanish national team. We might as well call ourselves FC Los Angeles.

More properly, they'd be the best wing player and best center from the U.S. National team plus the best power forward, point guard, and wing player from the Spanish national team. Basically, some of the cream of the two best national teams in the world.

>>>PLEEEEASE DO NOT RE-SIGN FARMAR.

I don't think you have to worry about it. Unless they promised him the starting job, I don't think Farmar will be coming back to the Lakers. It's not as much about money (or even rings) to Jordan as it is about playing time.

He should ask Ronny Turiaf how nice it is to have more PT on a team that sucks, but it's up to him to choose his future.

Hey Ricky, how do you fit 20,000 people in an arena that holds 8,250? Which is what the Palau Blaugrana holds and thats where the FC Barcelona Basketball team plays.

Ricky, Pau's got a shot at best power forward ever, but best big man ever ain't gonna happen! Sorry to Be The Bearer of Bad News for You...

If you go by overall dominance, it's Wilt Chamberlain:

Career Avg. 30.1 ppg, 22.9 rpg for 14 seasons
In '61-'62 Season He Averaged over 50 ppg;
He also had multiple 50 rebound games.

http://www.nba.com/history/players/chamberlain_stats.html

If you go by rings, it's Bill Russell (11 Rings).

And finally, if you go by skill set, it's Kareem Abdul Jabbar.

Plus He Holds the Scoring Title: 38,387 pts in 20 seasons.

http://www.nba.com/history/players/abduljabbar_stats.html

IMHO, it's WILT CHAMBERLAIN and it's Not all about the stats. Many of the stats they track today weren't tracked back when Wilt played.

I've also seen footage of Wilt finger rolling over the shoulder of Willis Reed from the Free Throw line. His skill set was very underrated. Free throws were his only weakness.

I saw him in person a few years before he passed away and he still looked like he could lace 'em up and play in the NBA.

Back to Pau ( http://www.nba.com/playerfile/pau_gasol/career_stats.html ), He Has the Ability to become the Greatest European Big Man Ever, Possibly even the Greatest Power Forward (But That's Gonna Take Some More Championships and Post-Season Performances Like the 2010 Playoffs).

But with 9 seasons under his belt he would have to become "Wilt Chamberlain on Steroids" to generate the kind of numbers and have the impact that Wilt, Russell and Kareem had for their careers.

I Love PAU's Game, BUT "BEST BIG MAN EVER" AIN'T GONNA HAPPEN!!!
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FYI--"Untradeable" has two meanings. It can mean that the player is so good that there's no way he would be traded.

On the other hand, it can mean that no team would trade for him because his contract is too expensive for what he provides (or is unable to provide).

Luke is untradeable because no team wants to take on a player that has become injury prone, not for the value of his current contract. Unlike Kwame Brown, his contract is not expiring this season. Luke's under contract until the 2012-2013 season.
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GO LAKERS!!!!! ONE, TWO, THREE-PEAT!!!!!

Drew has already far surpassed the accomplishments of Bowie, he's still young, and there's no reason to think he won't continue to get better and healthier.

Bowie was the biggest draft bust in NBA history


PsychedLakerGirl,

>>>some of you are thinking about trading out half the team that is currently
>>>under contract and went to the FINALS each of the last three years! Oh my -
>>>there is craziness with some of you today - just crazy!

Guilty as charged. I always love playing games of what if...

But if you'll notice, in my "lineup that I want most" post, I kept the top 10 rotation players from last year. The best way to repeat is to keep the players that got you there and get them healthy and work out any kinks in the system.

But I think Jordan will leave of his own volition, I think it's 50-50 that Shannon will get a better offer than the Lakers would be willing to match, and I think there's a 50-50 chance that one of Phil/Bynum/Odom is gone to reduce team expenses. There's still a small chance that Buss will take a HUGE gamble and bring everyone back, but the odds would be that he would lose money if he does that, and Buss isn't that bad a gambler.

If Phil retires and they replace him for 3 to 5 million, then I think Odom and Bynum are safe, but I don't think they'll splurge the full MLE to try to bring in whoever. I think they'll try to persuade vets to play for the veteran's minimum, and they may or may not get any takers.

If it comes down to Fisher and "whoever will play for the minimum" at PG, and if Farmar and Brown are already signed with other teams, then those Farmar haters might get a rude awakening at how much worse the Lakers would be with Kevin Ollie as their backup PG than with Farmar.

2phatt,

>>>7-Steve Blake
>>>9-Bell
>>>10-Kyle Korvar
>>>12-Brad Miller

So just out of curiousity, how much do you think these guys will be paid next season. I think Miller might be willing to sign for a veteran's minimum, but Korver might get a full MLE from someone. I seriously doubt the Lakers could get BOTH Blake and Korver (or probably Korver and Bell for that matter).

So if you had to choose only one of the three, who would it be? Blake, Korver, or Bell?

ADD Post

The roster/trade proposals are moot.

I'd like to participate in being moot. Here are some questions.

What salary is Fisher seeking? Sure we own his bird rights but...

For the Sasha traders (assuming our back court has been set) : Would you trade him for Brandon Bass from Orlando to shore up our front court? He can rebound, shoot in the perimeter and a big body to help defend.

Pj isn't even sure if he's coming back. Will that affect your point guard choice?

And we thought the Lamar watch was testing our patience.

WintonDupree:

you wrote: Drew has already far surpassed the accomplishments of Bowie, he's still young, and there's no reason to think he won't continue to get better and healthier.

Response:

yeah, the problem is Kobe being the ball hog is not feeding the Beast, basically starving the beast, can you imagine CP3 keeping the Beast well fed.

1. Fish
2. Kobe
3. Artest
4. Gasol
5. Bynum


6. Steve Blake
7. Shannon Brown
8. Sasha
9. Mike Miller
10. Walton
11. Odom
12. Dampier

Side note: neither Ebanks or Caracter are good enough to make the roster

Sam Bowie versus Andrew Bynum:

- Sam Bowie averaged 11 points, 7.5 rebounds, 1.8 blocks, and 27 minutes per game for his 10 year career.

- Bynum averaged 10.3 points, 6.7 rebounds, 1.5 blocks, and 24 minutes per game for his 5 year career.

- BOTH Bynum and Bowie were 7 footers with soft hands with amazing potential.

- BOTH were extremely injury prone.

- The difference is that Bynum has 2 rings to Bowie's zero rings, but Bynum played WITH Kobe, while Bowie played AGAINST Michael Jordan.

- I can't think of another center in the history of the league that would be a better comparison to Bynum.

COACH
-Phil Jackson
STARTING 5
1-Derek Bulldog Fisher
2-Kobe Black Mamba Bryant
3-Ron Ron Artest
4-Pau The Spaniard Gasol
5-Andrew Bynumite Bynum
BENCH
6-Lamar Odom
7-Sasha The Machine Vujacic
8-Kyle Korver
9-Mike Miller
10-Luke Walton
11-Devin Ebanks
12Derrick Character
-----------------

Ricky and others,

As far as Sam Bowie goes, the comparison should be kept in Portland with Greg Olden because of where they were picked, expectation and injury, period.

This is what could happen if PJ retires

Lakers coach: Coach K - Yes he said no before. But I can give you 9,000,000 and one reasons why he will take the job.***

Lakers starters:

Center: AB
PF: Pau Gasol
SF: Ron Artest
SG: Kobe
PG: Fisher

This is where it gets interesting, the cost-cutting bench of 2010.

6. Back up center - Kwame or Shaq
7. Back up PF & SF- LO
8. Back up SG - Raja Bell or TMac
9. Back up SG & PG - Sasha
10. Back up SG & PG - J Critt
11. Back up PF & SF - Ebanks
12. Back up PF - Caracter
13. Back up to nobody, inactive for most games - Luke

*** The one reason? Kobe wants him

Dang LakerTruth,

preach the gospel!

Laker Truth - AB can also be compared to Bill Walton...

LongTimeLakerFan,

I choose Blake 1st.
I chose Brad Miller 2nd.
I choose Korver 3rd
I choose Belll 4th

I'm all for brining Kwame Brown back, but I think he's still under contract with the Pistons.

Does anyone have a complete list of available free agents?

What do we play for? RINGS!!!

Lakers Today... Lakers Tomorrow... Lakers Forever.

GO LAKERS!!!

Why is the Times using a formatting system that makes posts almost unreadable?


What do we play for? RINGS!!!

Lakers Today... Lakers Tomorrow... Lakers Forever.

GO LAKERS!!!

IS FARMAR GONE OR NOT?
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
I would expect the Lakers to offer Jordan Farmar a $2.8M qualifying offer today to make him a restricted free agent. I doubt the Lakers would match any offer for an amount greater than that but if it turned out that Jordan did NOT get any offers over that, the Lakers would then be able to keep him for another year at $2.8M, which would be a bargain and better than bringing in Steve Blake or some other journeyman point guard. In my opinion, that would be the Lakers best option at point guard. It will be interesting to see what they do.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
TOM

I doubt the Lakers will be able to afford Korver, Mike Miller or Brad Miller.
Watson, Blake, Bell or Pargo should be available for $5-6 million over 2 years.

hobbitmage,

I'm on the same page as you. If the Lakers have to lose Farmar, and if Blake would sign for a reasonable amount of money (e.g. the 3 millionish that they'd have to pay Farmar), then I think he'd be a good replacement for Jordan.

Brad Miller would be a huge upgrade over MBenga or Powell as a fourth big. And I honestly think he'd be willing to take the veteran's minimum to get a ring.

I think Korver will get somewhere closer to the MLE in pay. If Utah doesn't offer that much, someone else will. Thus, I think he's out of the Lakers price range. And in fact, he's a TERRIBLE defender. Just terrible.

I'm not sure about Raja Bell. Not sure if he'll be recovered enough to play effectively. Not sure if he'd be willing to take the veteran's minimum. But if both of those are true, then he'd be a great replacement for Shannon Brown.

UPGRADE THE BENCH! CHEAPLY!!! MITCH K's GOALS!!! per order of Jerry BUSS! best owner in the league!!!


COACH
- Phil Jackson
STARTING 5/BENCH
1- Derek Fisher/Steve Blake/JCritt - SOLID deep bench!
2- Kobe Bryant/Sasha Vujacic - best in the NBA!
3- Ron Artest/Ebanks/Walton/Tmac - SOLID deep bench!
4- Pau Gasol/Odom/Caracter - best in NBA!
5- Andrew Bynum/Pau Gasol/Mbenga - best in NBA!


Sign Phil, FISHER and Steve Blake!!! Done!


Caracter, EBanks and Jcritt next signing after summer league.


Veteran's minimum only - Tmac (SF) and Mbenga (C) or others at this position Ex. Miles/Mihm, SunYue/Wang Zhizhi. (coming off injury, out of the league, NBA vets) for cheap! Will not see action anyway in the playoffs!!!


I think pretty much THIS IS WHAT MITCH K is DOING... staying with the team's core (all with CONTRACT) and upgrade the bench in a cheap manner (thru draft).


If they are to spend it would be at PG position (Fisher and Blake) with 1-2 yr contract 3-4 mil year.

Lakers are lacking POWER at PF, Mitch drafts all power with talent in scoring and rebounding.

Lakers are lacking in athletic ability with length and slashing abilty in the wing, Mitch drafts an Ariza like mentality.

PG needs experience for a championship team, MITCH did not draft a rookie PG, he is getting it thru free agency, one who is establish and can contribute right away. STEVE BLAKE!

COACH
- Phil Jackson
STARTING 5
1- Derek Fisher
2- Kobe Bryant
3- Ron Artest
4- Pau Gasol
5- Andrew Bynum
BENCH
6- Lamar Odom
7- Sasha Vujacic
8- Luke Ridnour
9- J.J. Redick
10- Devin Ebanks
11- Luke Walton
12- Derrick Character

I disagree about Andrew. Yes he had injuries this season, but they came toward the end of the year and he played through his right knee injury. He wasn't as effective as he would've liked to have been, but he was still effective. And he earned lots of respect in the locker room for willing to play through it.

MM

Buss cutting costs?

Maybe because-

While it hasn't been much in the news lately, it has been said there is a distinct possibility of a lockout and a shortened season.

A shortened season would certainly put a big dent in all the teams profits.

Maybe Buss see's a lockout coming or is taking a just in case approach.

This might explain an attempt to dump LO's salary, not use the MLE, put the 2 new draft picks on the roster, etc.

Pay Phil 12 mill for a shortened season?

Can always retool after next years contract is in place.

 
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