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Caught in the Web: Lakers exit-interview reports

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--The Times' Mike Bresnahan and Broderick Turner highlight the continued uncertainty regarding Phil Jackson's coaching future.

--The Orange County Register's Kevin Ding lists some ways the Lakers can improve their roster.

--Ball Don't Lie's Kelly Dwyer wonders what the Lakers will do this offseason.

--Sports Illustrated's Lee Jenkins wonders if the Lakers are beginning another dynasty.

--ESPN Los Angeles' Brian Kamenetzky details Lamar Odom's off-season plans.

--ESPN Los Angeles' Dave McMenamin details Andrew Bynum's plan for surgery.

--Lakers.com's Mike Trudell has a rundown of the Lakers' exit interviews.

Derek Fisher appeared Tuesday on Live! with Regis and Kelly

Tweet of the Day: "Had a good nite at playhouse with jordan and shannon and friends!" -- RONARTESTCOM (Lakers forward Ron Artest)

Reader Comment of the Day: "This team will be reinforced around the margins, but it won't be 'retooled.' With luck, a healthy Bynum and Kobe, and Artest more familiar and comfortable in the system, will make the BIG SIX better as well." -- Tom Daniels

-- Mark Medina

Follow the L.A. Times Lakers blog on Twitter: twitter.com/latmedina. E-mail the Lakers blog at mgmedin@gmail.com

Photo: Phil Jackson is expected to announce this week whether he plans to return for an 11th season as coach of the Lakers. Credit: Wally Skalij / Los Angeles Times

 
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Is it possible to just buy out Luke Walton? If so, how would it affect the cap space? Or maybe, the Lakers can ask Luke to declare player incapacity and just move him to coaching assignment. I like Luke the person but not the player.

I love that ESPN's NBA Scoreboard (on the main NBA page) shows the most recent score if there are no new scores to post.

Thus it will be showing Lakers 83, Celtics 79 for the next 3 months.

nice.

Hobbitmage,

*clap* *Clap* *clap*. Doing a fine job about busting the myths set about Andrew Bynum.

Wes,
Bynum for Bosh is a legit rumor because Bosh himself named the Lakers as one of his possible destinations. You seem to be completely ignoring the injury factor when comparing Bynum and Bosh. Like you said, a healthy Bynum is a better fit for this team, but what are the odds that he will be healthy come playoff time? after four surgeries in four years for someone that young? Have you considered the possibility that Bynum will never regain his explosiveness from a couple years ago? or the possibility that he will never play a full season again? Bynum is also knock kneed injury prone big man, who has a history of slow recovery time (not to mention the time he takes to get back into rhythm). Just imagine how much better this team would have been with a healthy Bosh over an injured Bynum for the past 5 years.

I do agree with you that it seems unlikely that the front office will add bigger contracts, but if you consider the likelihood of Bynum getting re-injured, Bynum for Bosh seems like a smart investment.

We were clearly screwed by the refs against both Slovenia (a few days ago), and Algeria a few hours ago. Instant replay clearly showed the officiating errors.
Fortunately, we prevailed in spite of the refs and will move up into the round of 16.

Gee, the USA Soccer team must feel like they're playing the purple and gold Hollywood troupe in a championship series. Know what I mean?

In the end, if the refs don't want America to have it, they aren't going to get it.

Go USA!!!

Sonnybelfast

>>>Is it possible to just buy out Luke Walton? If so, how would it affect the cap
>>>space? Or maybe, the Lakers can ask Luke to declare player incapacity and
>>>just move him to coaching assignment. I like Luke the person but not the
>>>player.

If they just buy it out (pay the whole thing off), then it still takes up cap space for the full length of the contract. If he's injured, then the insurance pays off the contract, and it comes off of their cap space... unless he signs with another team and plays in 10 games.

But it's irrelevant.

All you people who keep saying the Lakers need to dump Walton or dump Sasha or whoever to get cap space are missing the point.

Kobe+Pau+Bynum+Odom+Artest = no cap space until summer of 2014. PERIOD. It doesn't matter who you cut or do a salary trade dump of or whatever. If the Lakers keep those 5 players to the end of their contracts, then they have no cap space.

ZERO.

ZIP.

ZILCH.

THE EMPTY SET.

NONE.

NUNCA.

In fact, it's even worse. Those 5 players combined PUTS THE LAKERS IN LUXURY TAX for the next 3 seasons.

And Luke has at times played pretty well for the Lakers. Most of his career (including this last season), he's been hampered with injuries. But he is someone who knows the triangle and does a good job of getting the whole team involved in the offense when he's healthy.

And you know what? He did an okay job defending Pierce when called on in the finals. Pierce didn't suddenly turn into an automatic scorer when Luke took the floor. That's possibly because the Celtics didn't go out of their way to try to exploit the matchup, but Luke held his own.

So here's the thing. If they buy out Luke, then the Lakers have to fill another roster spot, and they don't get any extra money to fill it with. So they'd probably have to sign another minimum salary player to fill the roster spot. And then they would be paying Luke's salary (doubled) plus another minimal salary (doubled) for a player who doesn't know the triangle and isn't as good as Luke.

So give it a rest. Luke has value to the Lakers. His value hasn't been up to the amount of dollars he's paid, but dumping him doesn't improve the Lakers, it makes them pay more money to be worse.

Its interesting what this roster has shaped up to be. Basically, we have 2 preeminently clutch playoff players in Fisher and Kobe. Yes Kobe had a statistically bad game 7, but he was putting in baskets and freethrows when the game needed to be secured.

But that's just it. Roles are defined by what you can contribute. For Fish and Kobe, they aren't here to play grab-a** during the regular season. As the teams oldest players, they need to have a team around them to get them there to those moments.

Solid veteran defenders that buy into the system will help them. I don't think water-bug point guards will help them....we aren't running as much anymore, and nor will other teams that play us when we're grabbing all the boards.

Its interesting what this roster has shaped up to be. Basically, we have 2 preeminently clutch playoff players in Fisher and Kobe. Yes Kobe had a statistically bad game 7, but he was putting in baskets and freethrows when the game needed to be secured.

But that's just it. Roles are defined by what you can contribute. For Fish and Kobe, they aren't here to play grab-a** during the regular season. As the teams oldest players, they need to have a team around them to get them there to those moments.

Solid veteran defenders that buy into the system will help them. I don't think water-bug point guards will help them....we aren't running as much anymore, and nor will other teams that play us when we're grabbing all the boards.

Is it just me? I really do NOT see the upside for the Lakers in a Bynum-for-Bosh scenario. Is it really such a great idea to mess with the chemistry of the core of your team after your 3rd consecutive finals trip and 2nd consecutive finals WIN? Is it really such a great idea to lose a LOT of length, a great defensive presence (that not only blocks, but alters shots and makes guys think twice about driving to the hoop) and a guy who has soft hands, a sweet stroke, a power slam and can make a free throw, and a true center, for a guy who's good but doesn't come to the top of the list in any of those categories? Is it just me?

BTW - I guess we're not going to be celebrating our Sweet 16 any more? That was fast....


THE BIG PICTURE !!!
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One thing that has always separated the Lakers from other NBA franchises has been that we have always made the important business and basketball decisions looking at the big picture. That’s why we’ve been able to sustain success and superiority decade after decade while franchises like the Celtics and Knicks suffered through long periods of abject failure, humiliation, and irrelevancy.
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It is not a coincidence that the Lakers lead the league in Finals appearances and will soon lead it in Finals victories. It all starts with ownership that is committed to continuing greatness, winning championships, and building legacies. Unlike the Miami’s of the NBA, the Lakers would never go all in just to win a single championship. We see the Big Picture and parley our titles into dynasties.
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With the Big Picture in mind, here is what I think the Lakers need to do in order to build a team that is capable of winning their third straight NBA championship and setting the stage for even more:
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1) GET DARREN COLLISON! A perfect storm of bad luck has forced the New Orleans Hornets to seek to trade Darren Collison, the lightning-quick 2nd-year point guard out of UCLA who averaged 19 points and 9 assists per game as a starter while filling in for the injured Chris Paul last season. The Hornets are looking to reduce salaries by packaging Collison and Emeka Okafor’s $50M contract. Getting Collison could be as big a coup for the Lakers as getting Pau Gasol – and as big an impact.
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I think Darren Collison is the perfect candidate to be the Lakers future starting point guard. He is a dead-eye long range shooter who is near unstoppable when it comes to penetrating the paint. He is a true point guard who can score like a shooting guard. His great quickness and speed and long arms and huge hands enable him to hound other fast and quick point guards like an NFL cornerback. His only weakness would be his size in defending strong physical point guards like Deron Williams.
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To me, Darren Collison is Rajon Rondo with an outside shot and 90% stroke from the free throw line. I watched him play a half dozen times last year on NBA League Pass and he just ignited the team with his great ball handling and passing and energy and quickness on defense when he came into the game. His rookie stats as starter and sub were 12.4 ppg on 48%/40%/85% shooting from field/3-point/line, with 5.7 assists versus 2.6 turnovers, 2.5 boards, 1.0 steals, and 0.5 blocks in 28 minutes per game.
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I don’t know what it will take to get Darren, probably parting ways with Lamar Odom and Sasha Vujacic and taking on Okofor’s contract, but this is an opportunity that the Lakers cannot let slide by. This kid would give us a superb defensive stopper, playmaker, penetrator, and long range shooter at the point. And Okafor would give us a great back up and insurance policy for Andrew Bynum. As for the Hornets, they would get one great and one good player and save over $30M in salaries. The good new for the Lakers is that the deal would not raise salaries or taxes this year or next.
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2) USE THE MLE THIS YEAR! When you realize that the MLE was good enough last year to get players of the talent and ability of Ron Artest and Trevor Ariza and that free agency is going to help reduce the talent gap between the Lakers and the rest of the league, it makes sense for the Lakers to invest in the chance to three-peat as well as continue to build a team that can dominate the decade, especially considering their need to add a great 3-point shooter to stretch the floor and backup Ron.
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Whether it’s signing 56% 3-point shooting Kyle Korver, sweet shooting veteran Mike Miller, or even a fully healthy and championship motivated Tracy McGrady, I trust the Laker front office’s judgment. The main thing is that the Lakers need to focus on the big picture and make sure that we don’t leave the cupboard bare when Jim takes over for Jerry or a new coach for Phil. There are players out there that would give us a stronger and more potent bench. We need to invest in the big picture.
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My fervent hope is that the Lakers are going to surprise everybody by sweeping in and stealing Darren Collison much in the same way they stole Pau Gasol. Adding Collison and Okafor will make the Lakers a much tougher defensive team. Since Emeka is a true center, we would still need to find a backup for Pau at power forward, most likely a veteran who can rebound, defend, and play for the league minimum. But Collison would basically set the Lakers starting lineup for the next few years. That’s looking at the Big Picture.
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TOM


Justa,

You make some valid points, but your points become moot if Bynum gets injured again. Like Yellofever noted, it's all about risk versus reward.

Bynum = huge risk, high reward
Bosh = low risk, pretty high reward

laker truth - I guess I'm a "high risk high reward" kinda girl then lol! I'd rather give Socks his shot at defending this title & going for the 3-peat than say see ya later & thanks for the memories. I think he's earned that. Bosh just doesn't float my boat as a player. He's good, but for the reasons I stated earlier, I choose Socks. (As if I had a say in the matter lol!)

Dwyer's post is a joke - he thinks LeBron is God and hates Kobe. I post on Yahoo sports blogs a lot and this was my response to Dwyer's anti-Kobe rant. Just wanted to share it with my "home team"
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Kelly Dwyer is at it again! Your anti-Kobe rants are pathetic.
Kind of like a guy who got dumped by his gorgeous girlfriend dissing on the hunky new guy she's with.

I'm a Laker fan that watched EVERY Laker game this year and was once told by the Laker coach that I'm among the most knowledgable fans he ever talked to. So shut up and listen - here's Kobe's story in 2010:

He played hurt. Badly hurt. He couldn't even grip the ball without the tape on his finger and barely could grip it with the tape. He shot mostly left handed for a month. The broken finger would have sidelined any other player - let alone the bad knee and ankle. Baby LeBronze would have called in a team of specialists with those injuries and sat out til the playoffs like baby Shaq did.
But Kobe played through it because he's a true warrior and the true MVP of the league. His fierce competitiveness led by example. Bynum played through a debilitating injury because #24 showed him how to shut up, suck it up, and play. Odom was actually injured the whole second half of the year but you never heard a peep out of him because how could he dare with what Kobe was playing through. Gasol went from Gasoft to one of the best and toughest big men in the league by playing next to the Mamba.

I don't give a f--k how much he shoots or how much he passes. Kobe makes everyone around him better by his example. Unlike pouty LeBronze or whiney Shaq or sit-it-out KG. You play with Kobe, you win. Period. Watch and learn.

>>>Is it just me? I really do NOT see the upside for the Lakers in a Bynum-
>>>for-Bosh scenario.

It's not just you.

Before the playoffs, I would have gone for that trade in a heartbeat.

But after seeing Bynum play through injury and still provide enough to help his team win a championship, I'd rather take a risk on Bynum staying healthy than take a risk that trading for Bosh would weaken the defense.

>>>Is it just me? I really do NOT see the upside for the Lakers in a Bynum-
>>>for-Bosh scenario.

It's not just you.

Before the playoffs, I would have gone for that trade in a heartbeat.

But after seeing Bynum play through injury and still provide enough to help his team win a championship, I'd rather take a risk on Bynum staying healthy than take a risk that trading for Bosh would weaken the defense.

Oh and Tom... I don't think Collison is the answer ESPECIALLY if we have to give up Lamar. Lamar is more of a glue guy for us than most people realize. I think we can get Boobie Gibson from the Cavs for Sasha, who now has an expiring contract. Gibson is a solid speedy defender and a career 43% 3-point shooter, which is exactly what we need in the triangle more than a pure point guard. He's expendable with Williams and Parker in Cleveland, and they'd like to get out of his long term contract. He could split minutes equally with D-Fish during the regular season and be a solid back up in the playoffs.

LakerTom,

I would love it if the Lakers could acquire Darren Collison. I don't think it's possible, but if they pull it off, it would be a total coup.

justa,

you wrote: Is it just me? I really do NOT see the upside for the Lakers in a Bynum-for-Bosh scenario. Is it really such a great idea to mess with the chemistry of the core of your team after your 3rd consecutive finals trip and 2nd consecutive finals WIN? Is it really such a great idea to lose a LOT of length, a great defensive presence (that not only blocks, but alters shots and makes guys think twice about driving to the hoop) and a guy who has soft hands, a sweet stroke, a power slam and can make a free throw, and a true center, for a guy who's good but doesn't come to the top of the list in any of those categories? Is it just me?

my response: hmmm ....

Maybe you're thinking about this the wrong way. Let's try it backwards.
What is the *HUGE* upside for keeping Bynum?

If you read the *words* of Bynum, once again he talks about offense not
defense. To be fair, he did talk about offensive rebounds. So .... If he
works on Pau's hook shot and he works on his offensive rebounds he'll get to
where Bosh is right now. Is that *REALLY* a huge upside to you?

The only thing he does better than Bosh is block shots. Gasol is actually a
better shot blocker than either of them. So with Bosh you *might* lose .5
blocks per game, but you gain 4 - 5 rebounds per game.

I could be wrong, but I believe that Bynum will be injury prone for the rest
of his career. He has wide hips and he's knock-kneed. His achilles (sp?)
tendon gave him problems and no one was touching him.

Bynum & Bosh have the same wingspan.

http://www.andrewbynum.org/andrew-bynum-biography.php
http://www.ibiblio.org/craig/draft/2003_draft/Players/bosh.shtml

The only advantage that Bynum has is .... He's actually bigger.

re: chemistry. If we lost Ariza, who had great chemistry, and we
almost lost Odom then why not Bynum?

You mentioned the last 3 years. To clarify that, Bynum has not played
a full season in the last 3 years. He was absent the year that we lost.
He's been injured the last 2 years that we've won. You could *almost*
make the same argument for Ariza, but Ariza is now in Houston.

In particular, with Bosh we do *NOT* lose a lot of length. We get just
as much shot altering sequences as we do with Odom & Gasol on the floor.
I suspect that Bosh is better at drawing charges than Bynum is. i.e. Bosh
won't be in foul trouble as much as Bynum is. There are many things
I could say about Bosh, but let me be succinct and quote someone else.

http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Chris-Bosh-1740/

Overview: An extremely long and athletic young power forward who needed little time to develop into a franchise caliber player. Has great size and a big wingspan for the power forward position. Not physically built, but has put on some weight since entering the League. Possesses elite quickness and leaping ability for a player his size. Brings a lot to the table on the offensive end, as he is terrific at creating his own shot. Can score from all over the place. Doesn’t have the bulk to be a great defender, but is a factor due to his length, quickness and leaping ability. Used one very productive year at Georgia Tech to propel himself to the top of the lottery. Garnered the Atlantic Coast Conference Rookie of the Year Award for his efforts. Took little time to acclimate to the NBA level. Would have been a candidate to with the NBA Rookie of the Year Award if he were in another draft class. Needed only two seasons to become an elite talent. Three time All-Star with many more on the horizon. Still has some things to work on, but his age and work ethic gives him some potential despite his experience level.

Offense: One of the game’s best young post scorers. Gets about a quarter of his shots up from post ups with another fifth coming from each of spot ups, pick and rolls, and isolations. Has a decent left handed jumper that he can shoot with consistent range out to around 22-feet. Not a great catch and shoot option, but improving slowly. Has dramatically improved his ability to hit shots off the dribble. Still has some room to improve his jumper. Doesn’t have to rely on his jumper due to his tremendous quickness. Able to beat his man off the dribble regularly. Pretty good ball handler for a player his size. Tends to drive all the way to the rim rather than pull up when he puts the ball on the floor. Isn’t terribly effective when he gets cut off. Gifted post player. Likes to take turnarounds over his left shoulder and go to his hook over his right. Tends to get most of his touches on the right block. Length and quickness lets his get a ton of separation when he spins off his man at the rim. Has some nice up and under moves. More of a face up threat than a traditional back to the basket player. Has no trouble beating his man to the rim when he turns to face. Will create a lot of match-up problems with his quickness. Great finisher at the rim when he’s not posting up. Loves to dunk in traffic. Doesn’t finish with contact consistently, but won’t hesitate to try and get to the line. Shoots a ton of free throws and knocks them down at a very high rate. Ability to get to the line and foul shooting is what makes him so productive. Length makes him a good offensive rebounder. Turns the ball over when he gets too loose with the ball on his drives. About average as a passer. A very prolific option who should be a mainstay amongst the League’s top scorers at the power forward position. Still can refine his offensive skill package to some degree, mainly by improving his efficiency from the field. Improving his range.

Defense: A capable post defender that can do some nice things on the block. Has the ability to step out and effective defender almost any post player when they face up or catch the ball out on the perimeter. Matches up much better with power forwards who prefer to set up on the outside. Has great lateral quickness for a player his size. Can hedge screens effectively and guard many players when forced to switch. Will get roughed up by back to the basket centers. Has a very hard time holding position due to his lack of size. Isn’t forced to bang as much as he used to with Jermaine O’Neal around. Will stay with his man’s post moves getting some blocks on the ball, but also committing some fouls. Rebounds the ball and block shots at a respectable rate, but isn’t a major standout in either. Needs to show better anticipation when coming over from the weakside. Has cut down on his fouls significantly over time, but may never be strong enough to be a consistently effective defender.

Does this clear things up for you?


Hey Art,

Remember Bosh did those stats (like you said) as the Leader of the team. We both acknowledge that.

To turn the tables Bynum's FG% is helped that 1) He has Kobe and Pau spoon feeding him AND taking attention away from him to allow him more single coverage and 2) Both are great and good defensive wise Bynum can go to help more.....imagine if Bynum had to come out more to stop penetration because he didn't have as good defensive player helping him out on the perimeter..........

"How about an intangible like altering shots ability. Drew is taller, heavier, longer and stronger."

Pau does that a ton already which is why he averaged more blocks than Bynum did this season. Taller and stronger yet but what was a criticism of Shaq defensive wise? He was horrible on screen and rolls. Bynum is nearly (barely above Shaq) as bad as Shaq was on defending screen and rolls even when healthy and wasn't the shot blocker Shaq was! Shaq had seasons of blocking 3 blocks PER game (his highest was 3.5 in his rookie year)...Bynum's highest is 2.1 and that was only HALF a season.

Bosh had to also be a playmaker and averaged 2.0 apg because of the constant doubles sent at him.....Bynum has had the luxury of not worrying to do that and if sent to Toronto or any other place that doesn't have a top 8 player of all time, most skilled big man currently, AND the best coach of all time he's going to have give a reason why they shouldn't double him and based on his games he doesn't seem to give a reason why at the time being.

And FG%. Remember Bynum is a CENTER who has the luxury of having great players surrounding him. Bosh is a Power Forward who can play center at times (mostly back up) and usually plays the mid range game who can post up at times....and he had a 51% while being the focus of defenses....imagine offensively how he can be more efficient....see how Pau averaged career high's in FG% thanks to be in LA over Memphis!

Last but not least name the LAST team that had a 7'0 285 lbs or heavier big man as their "focus" point and won a title. You guessed it, it was SHAQ during his prime in LA. Heck even the Heat won their title with Shaq. The rest? The Celtics primarily won with their big 3, the Pistons won with Chauncey Billups (and the Lakers beating themselves....Kobe shooting 38% while Shaq was destroying Ben Wallace), and the Spurs won primarily through Tim Duncan while he had a past his prime Robinson, Nazr Mohammed, AND Fabricio Oberto! The 2007 Spurs team shows two power forwards winning a title so kinda makes the "two power forwards" argument really moot.

'My fervent hope is that the Lakers are going to surprise everybody by sweeping in and stealing Darren Collison much in the same way they stole Pau Gasol'

There you have it folks. The only way a championship can, or ever will be built in that abattoir you call home. You should be proud. Milton is literally beside himself, no, I mean, literally beside himself.

BTW 'I guess we're not going to be celebrating our Sweet 16 anymore?'

Why not? If you're referring to America's advance in the World Cup, then by all means, do celebrate. After all, many of you are Americans, aren't you?

Sonnybelfast


>>>Is it just me? I really do NOT see the upside for the Lakers in a Bynum-
>>>for-Bosh scenario.

It's not just you.

Before the playoffs, I would have gone for that trade in a heartbeat.

But after seeing Bynum play through injury and still provide enough to help his team win a championship, I'd rather take a risk on Bynum staying healthy than take a risk that trading for Bosh would weaken the defense.

Posted by: LongTimeLakerFan | June 23, 2010 at 11:58 AM


That is just what i was going to point out.
In the past seasons, we all saw Bynum being the young guy he is. Bynum with a playmate in his shoulders... i would do that if i -remotely- have the chance.

BUT, and is a big one, BUT he displayed in the playoffs a Kobe-like attitude. I wanted him to do that. I dreamed him doing that, but frankly, i thought that could have been a long shot. I even write that wish here, before this last series began.

We all saw him maturing because of his injured knee. We all saw him playing in spite the pain. Running, jumping, doing blocks, making alley oops. He showed the mental toughness and commitment he lacked all the previous years. Lebron with Bynum's actual maturity can be the real King of the NBA, but he hasn't matured yet, he is still a spoiled children. Bynum is now a Man, and a Mamba creed follower.

Let him show his newfound self this year. If he can't, shop him, dump him, whatever. But now i'm intrigued of what he is cappable now.

There aren't many dominating-type centers in the league anymore, so Bosh might be the way to go. Seems like he has fire, which Drew never has had and probably never will. He's too laid back.

The deal with Drew is almost everyone uses the "if" word constantly when talking about him. If he was healthy, if he would defend or if he would be the beast. If, if, and if. Kinda gets old after 3 years.

BYNUM FACTION & BOSH FACTION ARE AT IT and the war rages on....

Lakertom

i see nothing beneficial of fabricating dream trade proposals that are based on nothing more than a figment of your imagination..

there are no sources nor even any"rumors" for that matter that indicate or give us any reason to begin speculating or offering implications of such a trade... and i dont believe collison was spotted at staples during the playoffs.

plain and simple collison is a STUD.. i agree.. but he aint a triangle palyer AND he will come at a high price and hornets will be asking for the house... somehow dont think odom is on their wish list nor lakers would wanna take on okafurs remaining and escalating 4 year contract at over 12MIL.

there are also no guarantess buss will even use up the MLE due to luxury tax reasons... he may choose to use part of it on a second tier guard but i would think korver/mike miller is a longshot at this point.

Bynum=Laker for life.

WHILE THE KOBE FACTION IS busy defending their beloved hero at the drop of a hat.... The man is a legend and can't do no wrong, their beloved HERO

The only person's opinion about a Bosh for Bynum trade that matters is Jerry Buss. I'd put my money on Buss keeping Bynum.

BTW - I guess we're not going to be celebrating our Sweet 16 any more? That was fast....


Posted by: justanothermambafan | June 23, 2010 at 11:31 AM

Dude - NO WAY. I'm still celebrating and loving every second of it!

BTW - I guess we're not going to be celebrating our Sweet 16 any more? That was fast....


Posted by: justanothermambafan | June 23, 2010 at 11:31 AM

Dude - NO WAY. I'm still celebrating and loving every second of it!

No Surprise here, I'm with Justa.. I dont think a Bosh for Bynum deal helps us. Drew is NOT injury prone, 2 of his knee injuries were caused by teammates.. he's a TRUE center and he has a superior offensive skill set. He would be above DHoward if he understood how to use his size to be an effective defender instead of reacting and throwing himself into others. Bosh isnt a banger and just like Pau, can be moved easily out of the post. I think Bosh would work well with us, but not at the expense of Drew. If I were Mitch, I'd swing a Jordan, Mbenga, Morrison and Lamar for Bosh that way the Raptors get a young up n coming guard, a big and a couple of subsitute fwds.. thats the only way I do the deal but I still would be hesistant on not only losing Lamar, but bringing in someone that important to the team, that you still would have to teach the system too.. Look how long its taking Ron and he still isnt in the flow..

>>>Shaq was destroying Ben Wallace

Selective memory on your part. Detroit frequently double and triple teamed Shaq. They sagged off of other Lakers with the ball in order to deny Shaq the ball. Kobe shot poorly in most of the games, to be sure, but consider this:

In 3 of the 5 games, Ben Wallace out-rebounded Shaq. Two of those times, he had DOUBLE the rebounds Shaq had.

Detroit was also aggressive about fouling Shaq rather than giving up layups or dunks. Shaq's free throw shooting (66% in game 1, 0% in game 3, 36% in game 4, 38% in game 5) contributed a lot to the Lakers losing.

The reason the Lakers lost was not because of Shaq OR Kobe. Kobe's overshooting was trying to make up for two issues: Detroit's denial of Shaq, and Karl Malone's being totally ineffective due to injury.

If Malone hadn't injured his knee in the Western Conference Finals, the Lakers would have been champions in 2004. And Kobe would have taken a lot fewer shots in the series. And Detroit wouldn't have been able to double Shaq as much.

Kobe's a girl. That don't make him bad.

Sonnybelfast

Raja Bell signing in the works? I like it.

http://tinyurl.com/3a93huc

Hello fellow Lakerholics,

Can't we get at least a week to celebrate before the trade scenarios start flying???

I am not favoring any trade scenarios for Bynum and highly doubt that any team would be willing to take on such a huge contract when he really hasn't shown his potential due to his injuries.

Re: Farmar...I think we're all ok with him moving on. He's always had a superiority complex and needs to be given space to move on and see if he can really lead a team. Good luck Farmar!

Re: Shannon...I think he stays a Laker and improves over the summer just like Phil and Mitch suggested. He's a great dunker and a pretty good defender that could use some work on other areas of his game. I say we see a much improved Shannon come next fall.

Now this rumor really gets my blood boiling and I pray to god it isn't true http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news;_ylt=Ak7vawYoeDdfL7i5xxwaFqu8vLYF?slug=ys-belllakers062210

There is no way in the world that I would be happy about Raja Bell becoming a Laker...NO WAY NO HOW!!!! I hate this guy with every fiber of my soul, probably more than I hate Ray Allen and Paul Pierce and they're both at the top of my list. This just can't be true...I refuse to believe this until it happens, if it happens but I'm praying it doesn't. Ugh!

BLOG CRUE
I say YES to Raja Bell. I said it about 3 random months ago. I just wasn't sure about his health.

Colorado loves our World Champion Lakers!

Why, is Luke appearing to be getting a pass? I'm thinking, listen up, keeping the core players. Sign Fish to a two or three year deal at between 8-11 mil with a team option on the last year as a player/coach.Since were loosing Farmar, most likely Brown will opt out with a players strike appears a reality with only one year left on his contract would be a smart move. DJ's gone also Adam, fined someway to un-load Luke, if only for some draft pick consideration. I would trade LO, yes LO because you never know what you can get from him game to game. I know he's a match up problem for alot of teams, but you never know when he's on a sugar rush or a crash. The trade of LO in return would bring us a point guard with game. Who? you may ask. Take your pick with his salary there are some good ones. Next go a head and sign Bell(2 mil) for the bench, sign Korvar(ML) and Brad Miller(VM), resign Powell, since that's Kobe's (Man Love)boy, keep Sasha and there you go. Were ready to repeat with a cast of HUNGERY players, and a much better bench.And since Phil's daugther has indicated that he is done, make an offer to Rambis. If he can't get out of his contract, offer it to B,Scott. And forget the triangel and bring back show time, offer LO for Darrin of the Hornets and a draft pick.

AN EXAMPLE OF ANTI BYNUM FACTION:

Hobbitmage,

*clap* *Clap* *clap*. Doing a fine job about busting the myths set about Andrew Bynum.

Posted by: KB Blitz

longtimelakerlover - it's dudette - but THANK YOU!! THIS SWEET 16 NEEDS TO BE SAVORED - at least until after the All Star break LOL!!

complex(my)brotha - I love you but you need to hesitate a little longer and harder when you talk about "possibly" trading LO anywhere. I love LO. Don't make me slap (or pinch) you... lol!

Complex Brotha,

you wrote: Drew is NOT injury prone, 2 of his knee injuries were caused by teammates.. he's a TRUE center and he has a superior offensive skill set. He would be above DHoward if he understood how to use his size to be an effective defender instead of reacting and throwing himself into others. Bosh isnt a banger and just like Pau, can be moved easily out of the post. I think Bosh would work well with us, but not at the expense of Drew. If I were Mitch, I'd swing a Jordan, Mbenga, Morrison and Lamar for Bosh that way the Raptors get a young up n coming guard, a big and a couple of subsitute fwds.. thats the only way I do the deal but I still would be hesistant on not only losing Lamar, but bringing in someone that important to the team, that you still would have to teach the system too.. Look how long its taking Ron and he still isnt in the flow..

my response: So ... let's make sure we're on the same page about this.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=3196420

The 20-year-old center, who leads the NBA in field-goal percentage, was injured early in the third quarter of Sunday night's 100-99 victory over Memphis when he landed on teammate Lamar Odom's left foot while going for a rebound.

Bynum's first injury happened when he came down on Odom's foot. He did
not sprain his ankle, which is what usually happens. He injured his knee.
This actually works with the wide hips/knock-kneed structure.

His second injury happened when Kobe ran into him.

His achilles tendon injury happened when he was running down the court
by himself.

His knees *ARE* problematic and will be for the rest of his career because
of his wide hips & knock-knees per Garry Vitti the trainer. i.e. He'll be
wearing knee brace(s) for the rest of his career.

you mentioned that he has a superior offensive skill set. Superior to whom?
Bosh is a better offensive player than Bynum. So's CP3 for that matter
although CP3 plays pg.

Here's a question for you: Why would you prefer to get rid of LO over
Bynum?

Complex Brotha,

you wrote: Drew is NOT injury prone, 2 of his knee injuries were caused by teammates.. he's a TRUE center and he has a superior offensive skill set. He would be above DHoward if he understood how to use his size to be an effective defender instead of reacting and throwing himself into others. Bosh isnt a banger and just like Pau, can be moved easily out of the post. I think Bosh would work well with us, but not at the expense of Drew. If I were Mitch, I'd swing a Jordan, Mbenga, Morrison and Lamar for Bosh that way the Raptors get a young up n coming guard, a big and a couple of subsitute fwds.. thats the only way I do the deal but I still would be hesistant on not only losing Lamar, but bringing in someone that important to the team, that you still would have to teach the system too.. Look how long its taking Ron and he still isnt in the flow..

my response: So ... let's make sure we're on the same page about this.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=3196420

The 20-year-old center, who leads the NBA in field-goal percentage, was injured early in the third quarter of Sunday night's 100-99 victory over Memphis when he landed on teammate Lamar Odom's left foot while going for a rebound.

Bynum's first injury happened when he came down on Odom's foot. He did
not sprain his ankle, which is what usually happens. He injured his knee.
This actually works with the wide hips/knock-kneed structure.

His second injury happened when Kobe ran into him.

His achilles tendon injury happened when he was running down the court
by himself.

His knees *ARE* problematic and will be for the rest of his career because
of his wide hips & knock-knees per Garry Vitti the trainer. i.e. He'll be
wearing knee brace(s) for the rest of his career.

you mentioned that he has a superior offensive skill set. Superior to whom?
Bosh is a better offensive player than Bynum. So's CP3 for that matter
although CP3 plays pg.

Here's a question for you: Why would you prefer to get rid of LO over
Bynum?

FAN,

you wrote:

AN EXAMPLE OF ANTI BYNUM FACTION:

Hobbitmage,

*clap* *Clap* *clap*. Doing a fine job about busting the myths set about Andrew Bynum.

Posted by: KB Blitz


my response: I take *some* exception to this statement. I am *NOT*
"anti" Bynum. By "anti" I mean against.

I am *NOT* "pro" Bynum. By "pro" I mean for.

I *AM* "pro" Kobe. By "pro" I mean for.

Specifically regarding the Bosh/Bynum trade. There are a ton of "pro"
Bynum fans who have used inaccurate statements to support their
desire to keep him. I have targeted those inaccurate statements.

The most logical/best basketball reason to keep Bynum is:

He is 7'0 285 lbs.

That's it. There isn't anything else.

For those people who say there is, please make your case. I have heard the
following:

He's long.
He's got a lot of upside.
He's shown maturity.
Team chemistry.
Give him a chance.

If you objectively take a look at those reasons you *must* understand that
there is nothing quantitative about them. i.e. it's purely in the eye of the
beholder. If you want to keep Bynum because you like Bynum then just
say I like Bynum and be done with it. Don't lie to the blog and don't lie to
yourself.

I have backed up my "objective" statements about Bosh by posting links
which say that they both have the same wingspan. [ there goes the long
excuse ] Stats and links which talk about points & rebounds. Arguments
about maturity and team chemistry by definition are subjective.

So for the "pro" Bynum fans,

Here's an honest question for you:

If Bynum goes 15/8 which is an average of
what he's done for the last 3 years....

Why is it a bad idea to get someone who will go for
22/10 which is an average of what he's done for the
last 3 years. [ ballpark #s for all the stathounds out there. ]

Are y'all *REALLY* expecting Bynum to go for 22/10 next year?
If so, on what do you base that expectation?

Let's talk about the defensive end:
Bosh & Bynum have a wingspan which is 7'3". So ... other than his
size, how is Bynum better defensively? Don't they both block/alter
shots?

Would any of y'all like to discuss pick and roll defense?

Can *any* of y'all describe what the huge upside of Bynum
actually translates to on the floor?

* Bosh: Why is it a bad idea to get someone who will go for
22/10 which is an average of what he's done for the
last 3 years.
=========

Hobbitmage,

You refuse to take into account that playing with Kobe and Pau , Bosh will not get as many attempts and won't have those numbers, IMO.
==============

Repost from earlier thread:

Bosh is not playing with Gasol, LO and Kobe.

Bosh is not likely to avg 23/10 playing with Pau, LO and Kobe. Bosh won't get as many shots or free throws as he gets now if he plays with Kobe and Pau.

When comparing stats Bosh played 6 minutes per game more than Drew, so Bosh should have more rebounds, points.

How about turnovers - Drew 1.7, Bosh 2.4.
Blocked shots - Drew 1.45, Bosh .97

Last year Bosh had 600 shot attempts to get those 24 ppg, Drew had 392 shot attempts.

Drew made .57% of his shots, Bosh made .518% of his shots.

Bosh took 329 more free throws than Drew because he played more minutes and more games adding to his ppg total.

How about an intangible like altering shots ability. Drew is taller, heavier, longer and stronger.

Using stats, Drew is a better defensive player and shoots for a higher % than Bosh.

When someone fights Drew for a rebound they fall down and tear knee ligaments from a 7', 285 lb body leaning against them :)

1)Sign and trade Bosh for bynum and walton.(he would be better then what bynum is giving us Pau played pretty much the last two season at center and we won.) Make them take walton too.
2)Trade Odom and shasha for Collison(please get this guy he's the next Magic/rando.) and Okafor or whoever bad contract they make us take. if there is a way to keep odom and get collison do it but if not then hey the future looks great.
3)Sign TMac. A hungry TMac who will have no pressure for once in his career and have a legit shot at a champ. This is a no brainer.
4)Sign whoever will take the vet min. There is tons of options that want a ring. Shaq,Bell,Korver, lots and lots.
5) D Fish aint going anywhere so yeah.
6)If phil doesnt come back get byron scott.
And finally the line up for 2010-2011 soon to be three peat champs.

C/Pau/Okafor or Shaq
PF/Bosh/Pau/Okafor
SF/Artest/TMac/Eubanks
SG/Bryant/TMac or sign vet like bell.
PG/Collison/D Fish
Fill the rest with min contracts andu cant loose.
even if the bosh deal dosent happen you have:

C/Bynum/Shaq/Okafor
PF/Pau/Okafor
SF/Artest/Tmac/Eubanks
SG/Bryant/TMac or Vet
PG/Collison/D Fish

You cant loose. Bosh collison the future, Kobe Pau Bosh Collison Artest the present. you can't get more dynasty then that.


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