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Lakers assistant Brian Shaw likely to be named coach of Cavaliers [updated]

Shaw_300 Lakers assistant coach Brian Shaw likely  will be named head coach of the Cleveland Cavaliers.

Shaw's agent, Jerome Stanley, said via text Tuesday that Shaw was "close to accepting deal."

Shaw met with Cavaliers owner Dan Gilbert and General Manager Chris Grant Monday night and Tuesday about replacing Coach Mike Brown.

Shaw, 44 was an assistant coach under Lakers Coach Phil Jackson the last five seasons.

Shaw has won two NBA championships with the Lakers as an assistant and three titles with the Lakers as a player.

Byron Scott, who remains a candidate to replace Jackson if  he retires, was also in the running for the Cavaliers' job.

Shaw also was a candidate to replace Jackson. The Cavaliers post would be Shaw's first head-coaching job.

-- Broderick Turner

Photo: Brian Shaw yells instructions to the Lakers during the Western Conference finals in May. Credit: Wally Skalij / Los Angeles Times.

 
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Wow. This Why would they go with Shaw over Scott? Makes noooooooo sense. Maybe shaw is great...


WEs

Shaw should put this on hold if what you say is true. Talk to Phil Jackson and see what he thinks. If you can replace him as head coach of the Lakers that would be a much better job.

Well, I suppose this is a good sign that Phil will be back. Or that he won't. I'm not sure. Dang it. Well, good luck, Shaw, coaching whoever will be left in Cleveland next year.


Sigh. Oh, and the thing is, I was sort of weirded out by the idea that so many people were fixated on bringing up justa's butt, and I figured maybe she was too, so I jokingly suggested that as long as we are fixated on the butts of people we have never seen, that perhaps we might as well fixate on mine.

Then I recanted and said that we should probably have some pity on FCM and not make him handle the submissions. Then I started making puns using synonyms for 'butt.' Then Justa got involved and started actually campaigning.

Now I'm just scared.

Wes....its probably about the $$$ and the triangle. Scott has experience and leverage, but runs a Princeton offense that hasn't really won anything, but makes teams look better than they are IMO.

LeBronze wants to run the triangle.

Shaw knew, much like Rambis, that he was far behind SweatPea Scott in the Lakers' pecking order. Get a good gig while you can and let someone else wait for XI to retire.

I am sure that Shaw has talked Phil and Mitch and already knows that either Phil is coming back or Scott ls the choice if Phil isn't coming back. I hope it is that Phil is coming back because I think Scott would be a mistake.

phred - the campaign's over. You won. Enjoy the fruits of your victory (whatever they may be). Don't be scared anymore - justa's butt is currently on haitus, getting in shape, working toward the big comeback.

What's Bill Bertka doing these days....

THIS IS SO MUCH WORSE THAN LAST YEAR'S LAMAR CONTRACT WATCH. I'M SICK TO MY STOMACH....

WHY???? WHY BREAK UP A CHAMPIONSHIP TEAM???? WHY??????

AAAAAARRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH


>>>Why would they go with Shaw over Scott?

Because LeBron has said that he'd like to play in the triangle. This is a last ditch effort by Cleveland to pursuade LeBron to stay.

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Justa,
Yhis is not finished until is finished, REMEMBER THE STAPLES CENTER 2010!!! IN THE FOURTH, DOWN BY 14, DID THEY QUIT?
NO!!!
MAKE OUR PLAYERS PROUD!!!
NOW TAKE YOUR BUTT UP AND START WALKING PROUD!!!

MrNano - it's over. It's done. I lost.


BUTT I still think I've won the seat at the ASG in LA with MM. BUTT then again, maybe he'd rather take a winner....


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This is not good news. I was slightly leaning towards Shaw over Scott to replace Phil because of his familiarity with the team. Hopefully Phil makes up his mind one way or the other soon because his continued indecision could cost us some good coaching candidates.

Art - I withdraw my nomination and humbly bow to the winner - phred. It's a scary thing, to be sure, butt it's all good in the end.


Fatty - your dog may just have to sniff something / someone else. You'll have to see how phred responds during this moment of sublime joy at being named LA Times Lakers Blog Best Butt winner.

Posted by: justanothermambafan | June 29, 2010 at 09:46 AM

Butt, Justa...
What i'm going to do now?
I have boxes and boxes of merchandise here!!!

HUH? I thought the triangle offense only works if Kobes on the basketball team.
Would it work with lebron?

MrNano - you can give it away to the 3rd world countries that are wearing Boston 2010 championship t-shirts. It'd be like I'm mooning the septics - which, granted, is too good for them - but I can ask them how my azzz tastes.

I think it is great that Shaw is going to Cleveland and Scott to the Lakers because Shaw will bring a much needed system back to the East and Scott can bring the old Showtime era and then we will finally see both system going at it and see which one is better.

"Because LeBron has said that he'd like to play in the triangle."

Well then, why not come to LA, home of the best Triangle in the league? Kobe, LBJ and Pau would be a much more potent Big 3 than Wade, LBJ and Bosh.

While I think Wade and LBJ's skills don't complement each other that well, great players learn how to play with each other. No doubt, Wade, LBJ and Bosh would be the best Big 3 in the league. And in contrast to the Celtics' Big 3, these guys are all in their primes. These guys would be the favorites to win the next 3 or 4 championships.

Mitch, contact LBJ's camp asap...

MrNano, with his head down, slowly closes the campaign office.
While walks down the stairs, he takes out his cellphone and looks at Justa's butt wallpaper.
"Oh well, this is over, butt in the end, it was true: 'Justa's butt can always cheer you up' "
With a smile on his face, he starts walking down the street whistling.
Fade out.
Credits.

I posted this on the last thread, so ill put it here

Being from East Los and a card carrying member of the booty-lovers club (im not just a fan, im the president). i cant bring myself to vote for a guys butt, sorry phred, but if Justa's booty is as physically and spiritually moving as the blog says, i must vote for the lady with the luscious Cuuuuuuuuurvas. Justa, you have my vote

Maybe I should re-think this whole bowing out of the race thing. Looks like I have a lot of adoring fans.... we'll see. Talk to me people!

Justa,

might I suggest the brazilian butt lift program?

Should you choose to implement this offensive paradigm you can
come back and re-take what's rightfully yours. the best butt on the
blog.

Si se puede con ganas

EJK,

It has been annoying hearing your "get Lebron" cries and now here's something that will finally CRUSH THAT DREAM:

http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=5338366

The Cavs *ain't* going to use a sign and trade for Lebron SO STOP WITH THE LEBRON COMING TO LAKERS NOW

Bopper,

you wrote: I am sure that Shaw has talked Phil and Mitch and already knows that either Phil is coming back or Scott ls the choice if Phil isn't coming back.

my response: I hope you're right. I also wonder about how Dr. Buss is
cutting costs by letting coaches leave and not replacing them.

hobbit - I don't do anything brazilian - sorry. French is another story.

"Offensive" paradigm - as in it's offensive that I didn't win? Or campaigning is offensive? Or the whole entire topic is offensive? Or I should go on the offensive? You really need to be clear. Maybe you could post a link to which paradigm you're referring, and then explicitly state that it's a link... LMAO!

As for the spanish - sorry no habla.... what did you say? Can you rephrase in french?


How could Shaw go to the Crabs?? This defies all sense of decency. Plus - how could he not want to stay with the Lakers? Maybe he knows something about PJ.... Phil may be staying? And Shaw wants a shot at head coach somewhere for the experience? Maybe he'll go to the Crabs and sabotage the princess - like Snaq did.... hmmmmmm....


June 29th.... sigh....


Credits
Fade in
MrNano's pocket, sir mix a lot starts singing while the cellphone vibrates:
"Justa? what??"
Fade out
Credits

Oh wow - I just realized what I posted. Sorry guys.

This is not good news for anyone but Brian Shaw. Byron, I loved dearly as a player. And I even argued with some of you on the blog last year that he was a good H.C. and that he'd be a good replacement for Phil if he left. But, upon further review . . .

one year later, with the crew we have, I can't see Byron as a good fit. Defense -- yes, he'll help there. But he burns hot and I don't see him meshing with Kobe and keeping that balance between Pau and Kobe that is currently pretty well tuned. As for the kind of guy who can keep Artest on an even keel, or deal with Lamar's periodic M.I.A.s -- no Byron's not the guy.

Rambis would work. And I could see the Lakers now trying to take a serious run to pull him back. That would be my first choice, although I suppose Buss and Magic have more say than me.

But I don't see this as the best solution long term. And even in the short term, with Phil staying (if he does), this is a thinning of the bench that really needs a certain amount of redressing. Cap may be a good infusion.

This is bad news.

If PJ stays another key coach gone, Rambis last year, Shaw this year.

And before you get too excited over the possibility of B Scott taking over, make sure to read the analysis done here:

Byron Scott Would NOT Be a Decent Hire as Laker Head Coach

http://www.silverscreenandroll.com/2010/6/27/1540100/byron-scott-would-not-be-a-decent

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And this one:

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Brian Shaw Would Be a Decent Hire as Laker Head Coach

http://www.silverscreenandroll.com/2010/6/26/1539388/brian-shaw-would-be-a-decent-hire

What about Jim Cleamons? Frank Hamblen?

Byron Scott is not the answer... this year.

DBDH!

Also,

If the Cavs do pick Shaw, they are picking him over B Scott, and Scott had already previously announced he wanted the job with or without James playing there.

So one must ask, why would the Cavs pick Shaw over Scott?
Shaw knows the triangle, but I doubt that is the only reason.
Scott has flaws.
He was fired from two different teams in the middle of a season.
That's a bad sign.

If PJ leaves, if they dumb LO for peanuts, if, if , if...

Ugh.. terrible news. I think Shaw was the best option to replace PJ upon his retirement, which is happening either this week, or next year. Difficult to see why Shaw would choose to leave for a Cavs team that's likely going to be in disarray if/when LBJ leaves. He must know the Lakers are leaning a specific direction away from him to jump ship.

Is it too early to start campaigning for Fisher to hang up his shoes and pick up the clip-board instead? May be a great (and final) opportunity to learn from PJ. Fish would remain on the team, his salary wouldn't count towards the cap, and if necessary, he could suit up (though I'm sure there'd be restrictions to it, but if Aaron McKie could do it, why not Fish?).

It sounds like Cleveland came down to an ultimatum to Shaw.

"We need to know by tomorrow with FA talks starting on July 1st."

Then Shaw probably asked PJ, "Well, what's your decision? I need to know by Wednesday or I'm taking the Cavs job"

I think Shaw is the preffered choice in Cleveland and LA. Scott is number two in Cleveland and maybe not even on the LA short list.

I like Scott as a coach, but not for this Lakers team.

Shaw is not the first searching for greener pastures. Phil has a very big shadow, which isn't good for the new grass to grow up -coaches, rookies, etc.-

Shaw should put this on hold if what you say is true. Talk to Phil Jackson and see what he thinks. If you can replace him as head coach of the Lakers that would be a much better job. Posted by: Brian | June 29, 2010 at 09:35 AM
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You got that Right!
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THIS IS SO MUCH WORSE THAN LAST YEAR'S LAMAR CONTRACT WATCH. I'M SICK TO MY STOMACH....WHY???? WHY BREAK UP A CHAMPIONSHIP TEAM???? WHY?????? AAAAARRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
Posted by: justanothermambafan | June 29, 2010 at 09:43 AM
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Stop it! Stop it Right Now! Lol! Save that for if/when PJ leaves. Lol!
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MrNano - it's over. It's done. I lost. BUTT I still think I've won the seat at the ASG in LA with MM. BUTT then again, maybe he'd rather take a winner.... Posted by: Justanothermambafan | June 29, 2010 at 09:48 AM
You're a winner in my book. I'd rather Take you! Lol
Mamba24

"I am sure that Shaw has talked Phil and Mitch and already knows that either Phil is coming back or Scott ls the choice if Phil isn't coming back. I hope it is that Phil is coming back because I think Scott would be a mistake.

Posted by: Bopper | June 29, 2010 at 09:41 AM"

I agree.

...just recalling how phred fragmented into many phreds (one of whom nominated the butt --starting all of this) then suddenly Don't Blame Del Harris appears out of nowhere and then justanothermambafan concedes the title so easily..
I'm beginning to wonder how many posters here are actually individual fragments of phred's personality...

EJK: "Well then, why not come to LA, home of the best Triangle in the league?"

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that's what i say... if he's about winning, then come on down! you can still become a billionaire if you invest your money wisely - and we know you already have a ton of it - Kobe and Pau have a few more years and if Bynum is still healthy and a Laker, then it will be your team with many more championships to win and you will get paid. The amount of money you will earn in endorsements will more than make up for what you miss in NBA salary, so if you're serious, c'mon down!

Butt, Justa...What i'm going to do now? I have boxes and boxes of merchandise here!!! Posted by: MrNano | June 29, 2010 at 09:50 AM
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Mr. Nano always remember, A Butt in the hand is worth two in the Bush! LMAO!
mamba24(larrY)

Hmmm, another PJ ploy, telling B Shaw to take the job.

Almost forces Buss to bring back PJ.

And PJ says: 'now, about that salary cut....'

I think Scott would be a HUGE mistake. HUGE. Especially with this team.


This waiting is driving me crazy....


KBLITZ calling people annoying = IRONY

I am a fragment of my own imagination - no one else's.

Nope, justa, I think you got more votes than I did. As winner, I have it within my rights to demand a recount, and I feel that when the votes are finally correctly tallied, the person who really deserves the honor will hold the title.

I choose Shaw over Scott mostly because he is young and refreshing for the Lakers, and respected, plus the Lakers seniority likes him. Would breaking up the offense that the Lakers used, really offset the Lakers for another championship? Think about the times the Lakers went out of the triangle with fast players like Shannon Brown. It works if you have the players that are suited for that offense, so you would give him a contract if you had those players. Players that are very fast and physically active off the dribble like them. The Lakers would often leave the triangle when it suited them, but it got them 2 rings. You could argue the Lakers were 70% triangle team.

So assuming Phil Jackson leaves, you overhaul the system, now what? Do you sstill keep Jordan Farmar. You could still trade for Luke Ridnour or somebody along those lines that can actually hit shots consistently and still is very suited for that style of offense. Doing away with the 'triangle' will do two things. It will drain Kobe physically faster but he could shine (but you could also be shooting yourself in the foot, you don't know what you are getting. Other scenario is Artest becomes a run and gunner and you revolutionize the run-and-gun offense having a tri-wing style of offense with those 2, and maybe e.g. Luke Ridnour, etc.). Second, it will deflect less attention from the post so a trade for Chris Bosh would be just as integral to the offense as having Bynu, eventhough Bynum is a decently speedy player. A trade for Chris Bosh in that case would make more sense. Chris Bosh would move to the low post and let your guy drive inside every time to kick out to Bosh for instance, like Jason Terry would do with the Mavs to Dirk but c'mon Dirk and Terry or Kobe and Gasol or Bosh?

Yet another feasable scenario without Bynum wouldn't be such a bad thing. The Mavs at their height went to the Finals with that sort of offense, except they shot more from the outside. And with the Celtics being at the end of their run, and several other teams that have some bigs inside breaking up for the most part, you can worry less about the inside. That's the caveat, that it still doesn't mean the Lakers SHOULD trade Bynum or Odom for that matter (Odom would trully shine in that sort of offence, B.Scott would start him running point half the season, and would demand the Lakers to have at least 2 other NBA starting pt guards. and would limit Fishers time to 25 a night, that's not a necessarily bad thing, its still an adjustment period). But Bynum is injury prone, and eventhough him and Odom played sparing parts in the playoffs, in the Finals, specially, they weren't huge or deciding factors. Bosh would for instance run circles over the Celtics if Kobe was there getting 2 or 3ple played all the time.

Laker people: Shaw left cuz he knew Phil's throne was In The Bag for Scott per Jerry Buss, who never liked the plodding Eastern conference-style triangle, and who associates Scott with much faster play and Showtime, which is what we will have REDUX once Phil retires. Kobe is DYING for Showtime---with it he can surmount Magic and tie the vastly overrated Jordan with ring #6. Showtime was made for Kobe, and is why he was made to play basketball.

New Orleans knew Scott wanted to succeed Phil, that Scott wanted out of his contract there, so they unceremoniously dumped him 7 months early despite his excellent record, which scared the Lakers 2 years ago when the Hornets were healthy and functioning. Phil knew this too, what with the pay cut upcoming (think Joe Torre & the Yankees), so felt no compulsion to attend his final, bittersweet, celebration last week.

In sum, Jerry saves multi-million$ on Phil's salary, some of which may go to another player the Lakers otherwise would not afford, and Scott will remind those of you pining for Shaw why his Nets were 2-time conference champions. Shaw has zero comparable record. Let Cleveland have the triangle. Watch Scott run rings around the league with the revamped Laker offense. Let's see if Mitch can approach Jerry West-status and wrest Chris Paul from NO, who has made it clear he is chafing to leave, wants a ring and knows Scott/LA would deliver it. Make Lamar the centerpiece of a multi-player trade for Paul, who will be dishing it inside to Pau, and making life easier for a certain player's aging knees by taking a load of responsibility off Kobe's incessant need to come up with all the plays, as he used to do as he otherwise watched the team flounder.

Believe it or not, HAPPIER days are on the cusp. NO MORE 83-79 SLUGFESTS. SHOWTIME RETURNS WITH THE LAST LEG OF THE SECOND LAKER THREEPEAT LED BY THE RETURN OF THE VERY ACCOMPLISHED BYRON SCOTT. Remember ya read it here first.

From NBA.COM:

"He'll always get interest," one executive said. "I could see a team like the Lakers. A team like the Celtics. Not Orlando."

Just sayin'.

P.S.

Raja Bell.

DBDH! (not phred, I just don't post much.)

"A mutiple blog commenter personality disorder"

Only on the LA Times Lakers blog

More what ifs,

So what if LBJ decides now to stay with the Cavs and the Cavs bring in some more good players.

What if the Cavs are once again kings of the east with LBJ and friends.

What if the Cavs make it to the Finals...

Shaw and the Cavs vs ??

Pj and the Lakers...

MrNano - you can give it away to the 3rd world countries that are wearing Boston 2010 championship t-shirts. It'd be like I'm mooning the septics - which, granted, is too good for them - but I can ask them how my azzz tastes. Posted by: justanothermambafan | June 29, 2010 at 09:53 AM
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She, DID NOT, say that! lol!
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While walks down the stairs, he takes out his cellphone and looks at Justa's butt wallpaper.
"Oh well, this is over, butt in the end, it was true: 'Justa's butt can always cheer you up' "
With a smile on his face, he starts walking down the street whistling.
Fade out. Credits.Posted by: MrNano | June 29, 2010 at 10:04 AM
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Mr. Nano, you a helluva cool guy!
Mamba24(larrY)

SAGA OF DYNASTIES.......

SLOWLY BUT MATURELY THIS LAKERS DYNASTY IS CRUMBLING...first with departure of Phil Jackson, followed by Bryan Shaw, and then Lamar Odom (Heat). To make things worst add LBJ, Bosh, DWade under coach Riley we have a new dynasty in Maimi for a long time....

History repeats itself, all great civilizations and dynasties have come and gone and are in ruins today.. nothing is for ever even Kobe will be eclipsed with another Lakers in future who will claim the title of yet another greatest lakers...so goes the SAGA.


phred - you'll have to go back & count. Or maybe MrNano can do it. I have apparently lost my mind. Again - sorry guys.

Maybe I should re-think this whole bowing out of the race thing. Looks like I have a lot of adoring fans.... we'll see. Talk to me people! Posted by: justanothermambafan | June 29, 2010 at 10:05 AM
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You robbed kid. I call for a recount!
Mamba24(larrY)

one of the fragments- perhaps we are all just fragments in our own imagination.

If that's the case, I is sort of odd that you would choose to be a fragment of somebody else's imagination. Or perhaps we are imperfect shadows of perfect beings cast across the back wall of the cave of some celestial mind...

Sigh. Still June 29.

I'm kind of scared now... To not run the triangle next year may be a mistake. It took Ron all year to get it, and when he finally did, the team won a ring. I think we need to stay with this offense, so either PJ stays or we give the job to Clemens.


Wes

I am thinking crazy but if Byron is really getting bad press and Shaw does in fact go to Cavs - what about Doc Rivers? Isn't he a free agent coach as well?

Yes, I know its crazy talk but he certainly knows how to coach personalities. His team has gone to 2 of last three finals and his players love him.

I know he wants to see his family and watch his kids games. But he has to see that the Lakers have a much better roster for the next couple seasons.

Crazy talk from PLG.

From Native Angelino:
"Laker people: Shaw left cuz he knew Phil's throne was In The Bag for Scott per Jerry Buss, who never liked the plodding Eastern conference-style triangle, and who associates Scott with much faster play and Showtime, which is what we will have REDUX once Phil retires. Kobe is DYING for Showtime---with it he can surmount Magic and tie the vastly overrated Jordan with ring #6. Showtime was made for Kobe, and is why he was made to play basketball."

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Exactly. The 'overrated Jordan' part not so much, but everything else, yup! To reiterate: Byron is not the answer... this year.

DBDH!

Mr. Nano always remember, A Butt in the hand is worth two in the Bush! LMAO!
mamba24(larrY)

Posted by: Mamba24 | June 29, 2010 at 10:40 AM

LOL, that's why i keep his campaign picture as my cellphone's wallpaper!

Native Angeleno- The Lakers front office, owners and players all went to great lengths to say very publicly that they wanted Phil to come back. I think it is at least plausible that when Jackson leaves they might consider Scott at some point, but I think their first choice is Phil. Despite a few panicky comments, this is not a team on the verge of rebuilding, it is a team that has just won the Championship and still has its components under contract.

It's fun to discuss alternatives, but we shouldn't get carried away.

SLOWLY BUT MATURELY THIS LAKERS DYNASTY IS CRUMBLING


Posted by: FAN | June 29, 2010 at 10:45 AM


Yeah, like Egypt under the rein of Seti the 1st.


Wes

If PJ retires, and if not Shaw, then who?

I'm sure this has been discussed here before. But this would be a major change to our system of featured players that Mitch has created.

And if we dump the triangle, what about Luke? Sad to say, but he's only here because of the triangle.

Reign


Wes

I know he wants to see his family and watch his kids games. But he has to see that the Lakers have a much better roster for the next couple seasons. Crazy talk from PLG.
Posted by: PsychedLakerGirl | June 29, 2010 at 10:49 AM
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Hey Psyched, Don't sound crazy to me at all. In fact I suggested the same thing last week. But I think he wants to go in the Studio for a couple of years and recoup. Then come back out and get one of this big paychecks for coaching.
Mamba24


"Or perhaps we are imperfect shadows of perfect beings cast across the back wall of the cave of some celestial mind..."

Wow. That's actually gorgeous.

Whether it is PJ, Shaw or Byron we should not be scared of the Lakers stewardship of the future. Whether LO, Shannon, Farmar, Powell and Mbenga are gone and replaced by new strong players, we should not be scared of the future if we maintained the core. Whether Lebron teams up with D'Wade, CBosh, we should not be afraid of the future especially is Lakers Showtime will be back.

I'm sure Mitch is cooking something for a good PG, I smell Rubio rights for LO just dreaming but it can be possible. They will not relinquish the services of LO for nothing. The same with our bench, I'm optimistic of the future maybe not the marquee and costly players we have mentioned but more of new direction, new strategies and new beginnings.

Let's promote the Lakers standard as the standard of excellence not just based on what is working with our present players. As long we maintained the core of players like Kobe, Pau, Drew and RonRon as well as Fisher in a smaller capacity, we have always the chance of going to the Finals again.

>>>WHY???? WHY BREAK UP A CHAMPIONSHIP TEAM???? WHY??????

Well, it comes down to a few things...

1. Money - By winning the championship, the Lakers team (think of it as a company for a minute) reportedly made 15 to 20 million. But part of what led to that profit is that they played 12 home games in the playoffs. That's about 2 million pure profit per game. So if the Lakers lost in the first round, then the team LOSES money instead of making money.

And what's more, Kobe's, Pau's, Lamar's, Andrew's, Ron's, Luke's and Sasha's salaries all increased. If they keep any of Brown, Powell, Mbenga, or Farmar, their salaries would also increase. Fisher is the only guy who's salary is likely to go down. So if they spent the money to keep the whole team together, then even if they pulled off another championship and played 12 home games, maybe they'd make less than 10 million. And if Kobe broke a leg and they lost in the first round, then the team would LOSE money. Not a good risk.

2. THE MAIN THING that makes this team a championship contender is the duo of Kobe and Pau. Yes, guys like Artest and Bynum and Lamar and Fisher contributed as well, but not one of those guys is irreplaceable. If you keep Kobe and Pau and retool the other players, you still have a legit shot at a championship. Remember, the players surrounding Kobe and Shaq changed frequently as well. And the champion contending 80's Lakers traded off a high salaried Norm Nixon for a lower salaried Byron Scott. Look how that worked out.

3. In some ways Bynum (repeated injuries) and Lamar (inconsistent and sometimes indifferent play) have played below the Lakers' expectations for them. If they could bring in a more durable player than Bynum or a more consistent player than Odom, even if their ceiling isn't as high, then maybe the finals doesn't even go to 7 games. Maybe they win it in 5. And maybe they pay less money to do so.

>>>The Cavs *ain't* going to use a sign and trade for Lebron SO STOP WITH
>>>THE LEBRON COMING TO LAKERS NOW

And even if they were willing to do the trade, LeBron knows that he would look like a bandwagon jumper if he forced a trade to the back-t0-back champions.

Regardless of money or coaches or what's his best chance to get a ring, LeBron's ego is WAAAAAY too big to allow him to be though of as the third option.

While I will reserve judgment at this time, I am curious about the reasons for the pretty strong anti-Scott sentiment. As one who has been thoroughly frustrated by Phil Jackson's refusal to make in game adjustments (getting him to use the pick and roll against the Celtics after it worked so well in game 1 was like pulling teeth), my criticisms are always met with "he's won 11 titles".

Ok, that's a fair response I guess, except that it focuses only on results and not on process (like his rigid adherence to the triangle even when other options are available, and effective). However, those who point to PJ's success seem unimpressed with Byron's achievements, and that is something I don't get.

Of course you can't compare Scott's accomplishments as a coach to Jackson's, but Byron Scott took the NEW JERSEY NETS to the finals. TWICE. I mean, as accomplishments go, I am more impressed by that achievement than I am any one of PJ's title runs with vastly more talented teams.

Taken as a whole, Jackson's record is beyond compare--but that's not the point. The point is that if Jackson is gone, as between a total blank slate (in terms of achievement) like Brian Shaw, and a guy with a record of taking teams further than they reasonably should have gone, like Scott, I'm not sure why there is such an aversion to Byron as coach if we have to pick a successor to Jackson. Thoughts?

>>>Scott has flaws.
>>>He was fired from two different teams in the middle of a season.

Yep, he reportedly wears on players nerves. Like Larry Brown and a couple of other coaches.

But on the other hand. Byron Scott has taken two down and out teams and taken one to the finals twice, and raised the other up to best record in the West for awhile. And that is with a lot less talent than the current Lakers have (or the Cavs if LeBron stays there).

Since there is ONLY time to think during this off-season and since fans are never satisfied, I guess I am also falling prey to the question of whether to keep or dump L.O.

I am one of his biggest fans (honestly)--I just see too much up-side to part with him and, whether true or not, I DO buy the argument that his is a unique skill set. But because that is so, it also offers the Lakers a rare opportunity to do what all businesses must--which is continue to better themselves. And the only way they can do that, at this point, is to redress some of their areas of weakness: youth, athleticism and, above all, a point guard that can soldier on for 5 to 8 years. So, with that in mind, I am beginning to think that it is time to think about Lamar as an important piece to buy entry into the next iteration of this amazing, developing work or art.

And that would mean truing to get the rights to Rubio or a Darren Collison or a Russell Westbrook. Add that into the triangle, a quick guard who can stay in front of the Rondos of the world and also lead more than the sporatic fast break, and maybe this team can stay at the championship forefront for more than the next 2 or 3 years.

As much as that pains me to argue.

PsychedLakerGirl:

"I am thinking crazy but if Byron is really getting bad press and Shaw does in fact go to Cavs - what about Doc Rivers? Isn't he a free agent coach as well?"

He will NEVER be contacted to coach the Lakers. Doc Rivers is not the last-Resort nor the end-all be-all. First of all, he's a C****c, so. Second, you can always look elsewhere, for example Mychal Thompson, or Michael Cooper

Looks like the Cavs want to try and appease LBJ. LBJ is very intrigued by the triangle and there's no better coach out there (aside from Phil) to teach him.

Looking ahead, this could get interesting. Assuming Shaw is gone and let's say Phil retires, they probably would hire Byron. My guess is that the triangle would be gone. With that said, the Lakers will need a "conventional" point guard. Wonder if they may try and pull off a blockbuster which would bring in someone like CP3. CP3 and Byron have a very good relationship.

We'll see what happens.

i'm really surprised that most of you do not look at the coaching position in the CONTEXT.

B Shaw, this punk, never liked Kobe. he always criticized Kobe. and PJ went along with it, because it was "convenient".

last time he did it it was during the Finals and if i remember correctly it was after that game when only KOBE played well. #5. he started to yap about TEAM BALL (rolling eyes)

also this is the same guy who started to alienate Sasha. i'm not saying that Sasha did not deserve to be put in place, but to punish a guy who is the best shooter on the team, at a time when the offense needed a scorer? just childish

the IRONY: if LBJ will stay in Clev. - do any of you thing that he will listen to Shaw? will Sahw bench LBJ or tell him that he has to ball hog less? LOL

Shaw knew that if he becomes the Lakers coach (that will never happen while Kobe is still playing) Kobe will smack him around and he will be fired soon.
who will Buss chose?
Kobe who fills up the Staples or some moron on the bench.

ps. i never liked Shaw and as you see in the picture he looks kinda stupid with his baby face. even if he has some goatee.

ps2. i'm happy that the Shaq fluffer is gone.

Just thinking, if Pau Gasol could help us bring in half of Team Spain to the Lakers starting from: Rubio, Navarro, Fernandez and his brother Marc we will contend in any kind of competition again Wade, James and Bosh. We are just facing another type of Celtic team.

PJ may not come back due to health, age and rigors of the 82 game season. JB will not let the Lakers go down the drain in his pursuit to be profitable.

Another thing that appears to be missing from the anti-Scott contingent: the Lakers did not win the title because of their offense (in fact, you can argue that they won the title in spite of their offense). We won this year because of our DEFENSE, and you need look no further than the comments of one Kobe Bryant to know this.

Scott is a very, very good defensive coach. Again, I'm not promoting him to be the next coach, but it seems to me that a defensive minded coach would go a long way to securing the dynasty we have. Offensively, the triangle is a complex system that takes players a long time to learn. So, even were the Lakers to totally scrap it (which I think is doubtful), they would replace it with an offensive system that allows players like Ron Artest to contribute even more. Combine that with a healthy Andrew Bynum and an even more improved defense, and I don't think we fans have anything to fear from Byron Scott as the next coach if that comes to pass....

"Of course you can't compare Scott's accomplishments as a coach to Jackson's, but Byron Scott took the NEW JERSEY NETS to the finals. TWICE. I mean, as accomplishments go, I am more impressed by that achievement than I am any one of PJ's title runs with vastly more talented teams."

1) Those Nets team played in the LEAST. They didn't have to face against a defensive minded Pistons that would be the staple of the East later on.

2) Byron Scott's first year in New Jersey 26-56 and those who complain about PJ about not developing scrubs well Byron couldn't darn well either.

3) Jason Kidd and this was J-Kidd in his PRIME. Plus he had K-Mart before K-Mart's injuries (and those ugly tattoos).

4) After two straight Finals Byron was FIRED and lost the support of his team. Same thing happened in New Orleans (especially with news he went golfing instead of planning), only CP missed him.

Wonder why we aren't impressed with good ole' Byron?

ouchhhhhhhh:

Has some good points to consider. Byron Scott would almost seem the lesser of two evils. Scott would be a more polished version of Brian Shaw, you gain and lose by having Byron Scott with either decision you have to retool your team. However, I am still intrigued by the prospect of having Byron Scott re-birth his coaching skill set by having some notables behind him assisting him, much like Phil Jackson did when he began coaching, and it led him to one decent championship run (the Lakers were pretty old compared to the Bulls but still). You could say if Scott gets the job, he will gain a lot. The Lakers still have to build the team built for the system, so you could trust in the Lakers making the appropriate PG trade. Lamar, Kobe, Artest, Fisher, Gasol, could all benefit greatly from that sort of play, however as physically demanding as it is. Everything however is still contingent on whom the Lakers select as a PG to help assimilate such an offense to make it more cohesive.

Thanx for holding us up phil! Now we will lose your replacement...I like byron,but he doesn't run triangle,which is what THIS team knows. I'm not too confident to have to learn a new offense AND beat a team of James/Bosh and/or Wade for a ring

"FAN"

>>>To make things worst add LBJ, Bosh, DWade under coach Riley we have a
>>>new dynasty in Maimi for a long time.

no. What you have is an imaginary dynasty. To be an actual dynasty you have to win 2 or more championships in a short period of time. LBJ and Bosh haven't done sqat. Riley and Wade have one ring recently. The only one of that group that has a tie-in to an ACTUAL dynasty is Riles. But that was with Kareem + Magic + Worthy + a lot of other guys. Showtime Lakers > wannabe Heat any day.

KB Blitz,

>>>3) Jason Kidd and this was J-Kidd in his PRIME. Plus he had K-Mart before
>>>K-Mart's injuries (and those ugly tattoos).

Kobe now > Kidd in his prime
Pau now > K-Mart ever
Artest now > Jefferson ever

Odom now > Keith Van Horn

Bynum now > Jason Collins, even if you let his brother Jarron DOUBLEteam Bynum

Sasha > Lucious Harris then

Need I go on? The current Laker squad, even with only the players already signed are a much more talented team than Byron took to the finals.

Not every coach can get to the finals, even given lots of talent. Ask Mike D'Antoni, who couldn't manage to get Nash, Amare, Marion, and several good role players to the finals.

Byron Scott got to the finals with less talent than D'Antoni had every year in Phoenix.

Given enough talent, I think BScott could coach a team to a championship or 3.

Basically, the current Lakers roster

>>>4) After two straight Finals Byron was FIRED and lost the support of his team.

Well, you've got it backwards - in both the New Jersey and New Orleans cases, Byron first lost the support of the team and THEN got fired.

And look at what the next coach did with the same talent that Byron Scott had:

Byron Scott took New Jersey to the finals back-to-back.
Lawrence Frank (with basically the same talent) never made it back to the conference finals, let alone the finals.

Byron Scott led New Orleans (with less talent than New Jersey) to a 56-26 record (2nd best in the West), and lost in the Western Conference Semifinals to the more talented (though aging) Spurs, in 7 games. The next season, with his starting center out for half the season, he still had a 49-33 record, but lost to Denver in the first round.
Jeff Bower took over only 9 games into the next season and led New Orleans to a 37-45 record and didn't make the playoffs. And that's with arguably improved talent with Okafor replacing Tyson Chandler, and adding an excellent bench guard in Darren Collison.

I'll say it again, Byron got teams to achieve beyond the level of talent of the team. He's never had a team with 5 quality starters or even 2 superstar players like Kobe and Pau. At best he's had 1 superstar and 1 All-star. With the Lakers depth of talent, I'm sure he could take the team all the way.

It is important for the Cavs to get Shaw as soon as possible. Every player in the league agrees that Shaw is a player's coach. He has universal respect. Scott, while great, is said to be better with guards, who he has shown a propensity to elevate their careers. Scott doesn't help keep LBJ as much as Shaw does. Besides, LBJ wants to run the triangle. It relieves him of having to handle the ball, and it gets him good looks in the mid-range area inward, where he is MOST effective. PLUS, if they surround him with players that move without the ball, he will continue to rack up the assists. So, this is Cleveland's only viable move.

BTW, if I'm Farmar, and I know Scott is on the horizon, I think about staying with the Lakers to see how things pan out. Scott is really good with guards, and I'm thinking I'd have a better shot, and that I would also stay in the Championship mix at the same time. Win-win.

But, if you are Cleveland, it just looks too much like LBJ is on his way out, but you do what you gotta do...

LBJ, Bosh, Wade and Riley are a powerful and dynasty-ready team. But, the culmination would only be seen if the remaining $8-million or so is spent well filling out the roster. Miami is gotta find some low-priced but effective enough role-players to pull this off.

Because, they will be battling the Lakers, which is a team that has already figured all that stuff out, and has a pretty fearsome three-headed monster of their own in Kobe, Pau and LO.

--FEARless

Ouchhhhhhh, PointForward,

Shaw:
knows triangle
is respected by players (not named Sasha)
Championship Pedigree
highly intelligent

Scott:
develops talent
exceeds expectations
coached in two finals
Championship Pedigree
develops guard talent
highly intelligent
great defensive coach
excellent shooting coach

The Cavs need the stuff on Shaw's list. The Lakers need the stuff on Scott's list. Both teams are willing to take on each coach's potential baggage to get what they want.

It really is that simple.

--FEARless

For those of you saying that Byron Scott would be the wrong choice, obviously don't know Laker history. Byron Scott is the obvious choice. He is proven as a head coach and a true Laker! He values the Laker tradition because he grew up in Inglewood. Everytime the Lakers play a Byron Scott team, Laker fans give him a standing ovation, and that is for a reason (Pat Riley doesn't even get that). He was a great player, he has been a great coach and he has done these things with total class! Study Laker history before making a decision, because I would rather put the reigns in the hand of someone who is linked, proven and knowledgeable!

Blitz, if you are suggesting that Scott coached teams in New Jersey that were even remotely close to as talented as this Laker team, then you are crazy. What I am questioning is why there is a large contingent of support for a candidate like Shaw (who has accomplished absolutely NOTHING as a coach) while at the same time a guy with a record that most coaches would envy is considered unworthy.

This entire conversation assumes that PJ is gone. Take PJ out of the equation and who is the best candidate--and WHY do you think that person is the best candidate?

I'm not saying Scott is the best candidate, but I am saying that to consistently point to PJ's accomplishments as a reason for his greatness while ignoring the accomplishments of one replacement candidate in favor of another who has NO coaching accomplishments is hypocritical at best.

In my view, far too many people think that PJ is an essential element to the Lakers success--so much so, that now these same people cling to a totally untested assistant coach who has never been a head coach at any level, merely because that assistant coach has sat on PJ's bench for a few years. By that (flawed) rationale, the best candidate out there should be Jim Cleamons (how'd he work out as a head coach...?) or Frank Hamblen. Why don't you advocate for either of those guys?

I am praying that Miami land LBJ and Bosh. I lay awake at night. Because that move would be Kobe's opportunity to cement his legacy. I know Kobe wants to personally keep LBJ from getting his first ring for as long as he can. Kobe want to be the Micheal Jordon of LBJ's Malone.

Kobe wants to be the reason LBJ gets no rings. I want Kobe to get that chance. If Kobe can beat LeBronze back with Wade and Bosh at his side, then there would be nothing anyone could say.

LTLF, tell me that wouldn't be perfect!

--FEARless

ALL SPORTS ANALYSTS ARE NOW SUGGESTING.....LBJ, Bosh to join DWade in Miami and Riley to come back as a coach, very scary

Some have even gone as far as suggesting that it is a done deal...

Harold!

"I think it is great that Shaw is going to Cleveland and Scott to the Lakers because Shaw will bring a much needed system back to the East and Scott can bring the old Showtime era and then we will finally see both system going at it and see which one is better."


That was great thinking if it works that way. As for the Lakers loosing Shaw if Phil comes back is a loss for the L's. Shaw is a confidant of Bryant in the coaching staff.


The Scott and showtime Lakers 2011 would be a an experiment and a risk. The team as currently constructed is for a triangle system, not for running and gunning.


Rambis, Tom Thibodaue, Brian Shaw all LEAD ASST Coaches for the last THREE NBA CHAMPIONS...


NBA Teams are getting smart finding a winner system in Coaches these days. The triangle is finally getting noticed and Lakers, Wolves, now Cavs! I guess the Head Coaching job for this system is limited and rare.


Let's see in three years how well they do?

@GOD:

In my view, far too many people think that PJ is an essential element to the Lakers success--so much so, that now these same people cling to a totally untested assistant coach who has never been a head coach at any level, merely because that assistant coach has sat on PJ's bench for a few years. By that (flawed) rationale, the best candidate out there should be Jim Cleamons (how'd he work out as a head coach...?) or Frank Hamblen. Why don't you advocate for either of those guys?
_____________________________________________

Using your own logic of pre- and post- Scott perfomance to judge his greatness must also be valid in the case of PJ, who has taken players who were wallowing in mediocrity before him, and went on to near obscurity after him. From that logic, that you have already used, one would easily surmise the PJ is an essential part of all of his Championship runs.

What your argument should be is that far too many people think PJ's formula is the only formula that works. We have seen proof that Scott's formula works with lesser talent. What we don't know is if his formula scales up with the increase in talent he would have access to here.

--FEARless

Why not Jim Cleamons? I'd rather have him over Byron. Byron seems to have worn out his welcome very quick with his players and management. Something is not right there. I don't want to see the Lakers torn apart with internal issues. Not saying that Scott will definitely do that, just saying that is track record hasn't netted many positives after the fact from the franchises he has been with. Wish Shaw the best. He's going to be good once he gets players to buy into him. And the Lakers don't need a change in offensive styles (another reason they should look elsewhere from Scott). Sorry, Byron. Love what you did for the Lakers in the 80s, but it's a different situation now.

If we want this team to look like a Jackson coached team, then we want to promote from within.

Hamblin and Cleamons have more experience than Shaw, but Shaw seemed to be more personal with the players, except for one, Kobe.

FEARless, I'm not sure that we are saying different things. I am among those who greatly doubt that PJ's formula is the only one that can deliver a title. Is it effective? Of course. However, it didn't work two years ago, and nearly didn't work this year, and I don't hear anyone clamoring for Doc Rivers to be the next Laker coach.

Let me be clear: coaching is very important. However, what is also clear is that the best coaching in the world will not produce a champion without the appropriate amount of talent. Two years ago the Lakers did not have the talent to pull it off (close, but not quite). The difference between then and now? Talent.

I simply cannot accept that the only way to win a title is to put the best talent in the league on the floor AND to have the best coach in NBA history. As often as PJ has won, he does not have a monopoly on championships. With a younger and healthy Shaq and D Wade, Riley won a title. With a younger and far less talented team than this year's Laker team, Popovich has won multiple titles. For crying out loud, a total unknown as a coach, Doc Rivers, won a title and nearly got his second in 3 years, not because of his own greatness but because of the talent surrounding him.

You can't entrust the Lakers to a bad coach, but if you give a good coach this kind of talent, I hardly think we can kiss the title goodbye.

LBJ, Bosh, Wade and Riley are a powerful and dynasty-ready team. But, the culmination would only be seen if the remaining $8-million or so is spent well filling out the roster. Miami is gotta find some low-priced but effective enough role-players to pull this off.

Because, they will be battling the Lakers, which is a team that has already figured all that stuff out, and has a pretty fearsome three-headed monster of their own in Kobe, Pau and LO.

--FEARless

Posted by: FEARless | June 29, 2010 at 12:22 PM

while I agree, I don't think they'd have $8mil remaining...
and about your last post.. I wouldn't want to risk that.

I would rather see Wade as a Laker than bosh or bron, I just think he and Kobe would have better chemistry on the court and that Wade would be a better overall complement to what we want to do..Wade does not appear to NEED to SHINE all the time..But what do I know?? Plus, he's already won before.

Still, if BShaw wants to bail, along with our FAs or whomever else, I say, Let them all go -- the Lakers WILL control what the Lakers can control and thats the dudes who are still gonna be here, and want to contend for championships and get in the work it requires to continually be successful in this league by winning the TROPHY! So each player on our team that remains and those that come aboard, buy into the concept of a winning organization. Everyone that stays, gotta ride with each other! Simply put...

Besides you don't trade Drew and Lamar without getting EQUAL back for what they give our team....Somebody long and a beast on the boards, like David Lee and he can make a midrange and then maybe somebody else but again Lamar is special in his own way and for now, he and Drew are ours in all their bizaare splendor!!!

Michael Cooper as coach anyone?

DEREK FISHER is the perfect guy to replace PJ. He knows the offense; the players revere him; he's been coaching on the floor for years, and Kobe loves him. DFish is destined to coach the Lakers the same way Scioscia was destined to manage the Dodgers. I trust the Lakers to do the right thing, just as I havent'trusted the Dogers to do the right thing since the O'Malleys sold the team.

DEREK FISHER is the perfect guy to replace PJ. He knows the offense; the players revere him; he's been coaching on the floor for years, and Kobe loves him. DFish is destined to coach the Lakers the same way Scioscia was destined to manage the Dodgers. I trust the Lakers to do the right thing, just as I havent'trusted the Dogers to do the right thing since the O'Malleys sold the team.

PS: The only thing Fish lacks is formal coaching experience, which was the same thing Pat Riley lacked when they pulled him out of the broadcast booth and gave him a clipboard. FISH IS THE MAN!

 
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