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Audio of Adam Morrison's exit interview

Highlights from Adam Morrison's exit interview

-- He showed up late and had actually left the Lakers' facilities before a team official tracked him down

-- Morrison believes the team isn't going to re-sign him since he hadn't played much

-- Morrison isn't thrilled with "being the butt of jokes," as he calls it, for his lack of playing time, but has come to accept it, including the skit from "Jimmy Kimmel Live."

-- Morrison wore a "Rage Against the Machine" T-shirt to his interview with the media, leading one reporter to jokingly ask if he's angry with Sasha Vujacic. Morrison awkwardly didn't play along.

-- He appreciated the support he felt from his teammates. Though many of them have labeled Morrison the funniest player on the team, he declined to share any stories, saying none of them were appropriate for publication.

Adam Morrison interview

--Mark Medina

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I really wish Morrison the best.
He was a great teammate.
Good luck.

Good luck, Ammo!


I hope things work out for you.


What do we play for? RINGS!!!!


Lakers Today... Lakers Tomorrow... Lakers Forever.


GO LAKERS!!!

Seemed like a nice kid. The step he lost once he tore up was too much for him to absorb for the association. 1 step slow + a great shot + high bball IQ can equal a decent career. 2 steps slow and you're probably done. 3 steps slow, you'd better pray you can dupe a general manager into giving you an unimaginable 6 year deal.

Ammo should be able to make a decent living playing in Europe I'd think. He could be like the Doug Flutie of some Euro League.

Hope he was smart with his money and lands on his feet. The best part is he's got more rings than any of the Keltic Big 3 Douchebags.

Jon K.

I'm not an expert at figuring out salary figures but with Farmar, Morrison and Brown gone PLUS the MLE that is always available the Lakers should be able to get a very decent front-line starting NBA PG.

From hoopsworld here's a wish list for us Laker fans:

FA Point Guards:

Raymond Felton (Unrestricted)
Luke Ridnour (Unrestricted)
Steve Blake (Unrestricted)
Chris Duhon (Unrestricted)
C.J. Watson (Restricted)
Kyle Lowry (Restricted)
T.J. Ford (player option for '10-'11 - owed 8.5 million)
J.J. Barea (Team Option - $1.8 million)
Nate Robinson (Unrestricted)
Mario Chalmers (Team Option)
Shaun Livingston (Unrestricted)
Sergio Rodriquez (Knicks can make QO – likely Unrestricted)
Earl Watson (Unrestricted)
Keyon Dooling (Team Option)
Jordan Farmar (Restricted)
Will Bynum (Restricted)
Derek Fisher (Unrestricted)
Mardy Collins (Restricted)
Sebastian Telfair (Player Option)
Marcus Williams (Restricted)
Speedy Claxton (Unrestricted)
Anthony Carter (Unrestricted)
Rafer Alston (Unrestricted)
Antonio Daniels (Unrestricted)
Acie Law (Unrestricted)
Travis Diener (Unrestricted)
Jannero Pargo (Unrestricted)
Chris Quinn (Unrestricted)
Mike James (Unrestricted)
Kevin Ollie (Unrestricted)
Jason Hart (Unrestricted)
Javaris Crittenton (Unrestricted)
Jason Williams (Unrestricted)
Sundiata Gaines (Unrestricted)
Carlos Arroyo (Unrestricted)
Bobby Brown (Unrestricted)
Jamaal Tinsley (Unrestricted)
Lester Hudson (Unrestricted)
Royal Ivey (Unrestricted)
Earl Boykins (Unrestricted)
Patrick Mills (Restricted)
Anthony Johnson (Unrestricted)
Chucky Atkins (Unrestricted)

I don't see All-Star here but I certainly see players who will be an upgrade as well as decent successor to Fisher.

Folks, please keep in mind that we WILL need a real PG. The triangle is on its last leg, just like Phil Jackson. At most we will see one more year of Phil and his triangle. After that, so long, good-bye, sayonara... to triangle.

I hear the Lakers are interested in Raja Bell. Even though he's kind of old, if he has anything left in his tank, he'll be a tough minded defender and 3 point shooter.

I felt bad for him when Kimmel ran that video they made on Ammo's contributions to the 2010 championship. But I thought Kobe was very generous towards Ammo in his response to the video. He said Ammo is a good player and coming from Kobe, that's quite something. I hope someone picks him up and he continues playing in the NBA. Good luck, Ammo.

I'm intrigued by the Raja Bell possibility. Beginning to see a trend here with Kobe, "if you can't make them stop pestering you on defense, get them to join you". We've got Artest.... who's next? Shane Battier? I'd love to have him on our team - the guy puts as much effort into his game prep as Kobe does.

Without Amo, Farmar and Brown Lakers are still over the cap especially in re-signing Fisher. All they can do MLE, BiA and trade. IMO, Brown and Sasha have trade values compared to Walton who remains injured and expensive.

Get this: Raja Bell wants to come to the Lakers. Mutual interest on the part of Raja, the Lakers, AND Kobe. That's right, Kobe reached out. LOL, like I said with Ron, put the Kobe stoppers on our team, and they can't stop Kobe.
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Of course, its rumor. Take it with a grain of salt.
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But its here: http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news?slug=ys-belllakers062210

Edwin we don't have the Bi-Annual Exception since last year we used it on retaining Shannon Brown. Bi-Annual Exceptions are not available if it was used the previous year before. Hence the only way to get free agents outside of trades/sign and trades are either the Mid-Level Exceptions or the veteran's minimum. And while Sasha's contract is nice to use a trade cog Buss can let it expire and get it off the books like he did to Morrison's contract.

Psycorp is that hate towards Phil Jackson? Who said we need a traditional PG when you have Kobe/Artest/LO to initiate the offense? The Cavaliers don't have the triangle offense yet they have Lebron initiate the offense even before Mo Williams came to Cleveland. Dwyane Wade in Miami set up the offense and so does Brandon Roy even after Steve Blake left.

You need a solid guard and when you have a dominating guard/wing AND other good scoring options you simply need to be a good not terrible Point Guard that can get you shooting AND defense. You think Chucky Atkins ran the offense back in 04-05?

KBlitz,

Thanks for the rescue, can they split the MLE to two players?

hope the jcrit thing works out and raja bell would be sweet.. lakers could be some kind of defensive powerhouse.

imagine this lineup:
kobe
bell
artest
gasol
bosh..

please kupchak... YOU CAN DO IT!!

oh-oh yellofever someone will get mad at you. Where is Bynum? I give props to Bynum especially playing injured in the Finals, as long as he doesn't get injured he's always a threat in the post. Chris Bosh is also ok but we sacrifice three inches especially bynum is now comfortable playing with kobe and gasol. Lakers will still be ok if we retain the stalwarts that gave us the Championship go for faster PG as workhorse during the season and perimeter shooters. Supposing our new players are: Raja and JCritt in replacement of Morrison and Farmar, I think Lakers will still be competitive out there. Then, replace Mbenga and Powell with shooting Euros, we'll be on top of the chart again.

Is probable that we will lose Farmar, Morrison, Mbenga and Powell due free agency, and we are tight because of the salary cap...
how many players we'll need to sign for the next season?
And how we can fill those spots with the MLE and the vet's min?

Well Edwin, you partially answered my question with your comment, but how that is going to work financially?

I think T-Mac is the most intriguing option at this point. We clearly need another perimeter player who can create his own shot and take some of that burden off of Kobe. Out of the more affordable free agents available this summer, T-Mac is best suited to fill that role.

Of course, if I were Mitch, I would contact LBJ's camp to gauge his interest in joining the greatest franchise in the league. LBJ is the only player I would gladly trade Drew for. LBJ would have the opportunity to learn under Kobe's wings for a couple of years before taking over and leading the team to a six-peat. It wouldn't be fair for the rest of the league.

"Thanks for the rescue, can they split the MLE to two players?"

Yes they can Edwin as long as it does not exceed around $5.8 million which was the mid level exception last year.

And yellofever, until Bosh is seen wearing a Lakers jersey of his own don't count on him being a Laker yet.

"how many players we'll need to sign for the next season?
And how we can fill those spots with the MLE and the vet's min?"

Mr. Nano

5 free agents 6 if Shannon leaves. Remember Mbenga and Powell were signed for minimum at most salary less than $1 million (every blogger would love that money if I might add). If they want to get more money forget it since there will be players who are looking for jobs that would love a job at all even if its a small amount and/or they might get barely any playing time. So that's 4. Fisher will most likely be back and will get the veteran's minimum of around $2 million and those minimum contracts do not have a limit. So that's 3. Then you can sign one or two free agents via mid-level exception and well we can probably get a draft pick to stay so the rosters remains largely intact with possibly improvements.

The only thing major unlike last season is Coach Jackson himself and he'll most likely be back too barring an unexpected health issue. Last year we had Ariza/Odom issues and with the re-signing of Odom and signing of Artest those were put to rest.

so, what do we do if phil jackson retires?

FCM- you are doing yeoman's work on these exit interviews, when you probably deserve a bit of time off, but is there an article upcoming about the uncertain future of phil, and maybe an analysis of the pros, cons, and probability of destination of our free agents and maybe free agents yet to come?

Yellowfever

kobe
bell
artest
gasol
bosh..


Your line up looks small, soft and no true center. Celtics could easily beat this line up. KG, PERKINS, DAVIS WILL dominate this frontline.


I prefer to stay with


Fisher
Kobe
Artest
GASOL
BYNUM


THIS TEAM SHOWED IT CAN PLAY ANYBODY!!! Thunder, Jazz, Suns, Celtics... Only a fool like you would want to change the starting line up... YEAH A FOOL!!!

Yellowfever


Fisher and Bynum were BIG KEYS to the championship, only a few days ago... And you have already forgotten!!! DID YOU EVEN CELEBRATE THE CHAMPIONSHIP? You want to replace them already! What kind of fool are you?

A couple of completely unrelated tidbits. First, did anyone else hear Kevin & Bean's Lamar & Khloe skit? It is absolutely priceless. The theme of the sketch is that Khloe insisted the couple undergo marriage counseling because she's worried Lamar married her to cash in on the Kardashian fame. But Lamar is the butt of the joke for the way he mumbles. The Lamar impersonation had me in stitches. It begins at about the 75:00 mark on this podcast, so if you want to hear it, just drag the play bar to that point and let it roll.

http://bit.ly/cVueeJ

The other Lamar related gem is his gift from Khloe for winning the championship. Whatever you think of Khloe, if your gf gave you this, you'd be stoked.

http://bit.ly/d1Jv3W

Yeh! Put Boa on a list of places you might see this strange celebrity couple. Maybe they should see Thriller's psychiatrist, too.

Yellofever,

Your line-up might sound/look good. But it lacks a true center.

Both Gasol and Bosh are PFs who can play centers, but the lack the bulk which a true center can provide.

That is where Bynum fits in. He provides us the bulk with skills.

There are ONLY 3 players in the market whom we could trade Bynum for: of which one might not fit very well - Dwight Howard, Chris Paul and Lebron James.

Chris Bosh for Bynum makes us even more an offense team, and reduces our defensive options. If Mitch is able to work wonders and get CP3, then thats arguably greatest trade/sign-in Lakers have ever done since the Kobe trade!! (some might say Pau's trade/gift is better than CP3, if we get it done)

A back-court of CP3 and Kobe could eat opposition defenses like anything!! We'll have 4 players who can go for 20+ any night, and would be a nightmare for opponents!! That makes me dream...... :-))

Thanks KB Blitz.

LALakers under contract:
SG (2)
SF(2)
PF(1)
PF-C(1)
C(1)

Back:
G, SG-G

Out:
C, PF, SF, G

Shoping for?
??,??,??

We have The MLE (one or two players), vet's min, rookie contract

The summer league invitations, can translate into which kind of contract?

Staples24,

Why call him a fool?? He did not make any dirty remarks (aka DFish or Mike T)??

He's just put a line-up which he thinks might be good. If he's put a line-up of Luke-Kobe-Okafor-Zaza-Anthony Carter, may be then he might warrant that word :)

Not until then bro, peace :)

Yellowfever,

Staples24 wrote this to you:
Yellowfever

kobe
bell
artest
gasol
bosh..


Your line up looks small, soft and no true center. Celtics could easily beat this line up. KG, PERKINS, DAVIS WILL dominate this frontline.

my response to him:

Your lineup does not look small or soft.

You have traded a slow, but solid, D-Fish for Bell.

Better defense? yes. Better chemistry? probably not.

You have traded an oft injured, but willing to play Bynum for
a smaller all-star in Bosh.

Better defense? Debatable. Bynum is smaller, but Bosh is an all-star.
Bynum syncophants will cut you no slack on dissing their oft-injured
project.

Better chemistry? Debatable. I saw an article which indicates that Bosh
doesn't want to play sidekick.

I think you *must* keep D-Fish. He keeps coming thru in the playoffs.

Everyone knows what I think about Bynum so I'll save space. :)

I am intrigued by T-Mac.

staples24

what is your malfunction? whats ur argument? we won a ring w derek/bynum so we're a lock to win again??

thats exactly the kind of shortsighted mentality that will cost us another ring? so you become emotionally attached to those players and wish to make NO changes to ur roster?... were you also one of those completely opposed to artest last offseason but now you embrace him like your own?

what a little twat you are.. if ur gonna come at me present logical arguments or bark up somebody elses tree... dont forget fishers goin on 38 and bynums knee was barely hangin on in the playoffs..... why is everyone so resistant to change after a ring? btw i'm for keepin dfish for the minimum and i've explained my reasons for bynum numerous times.

now go find somebody else to play with and dont address me again you low class bush league little punk

Wow, the bickering is already full-blown. Yellow, Staples... Come on, fellas.

Here's my quick take:

Raja Bell - Hell yes. Do it now. Defense. Threes.

T-Mac - Hell no. Have you actually watched this guy play basketball? A shell of his former (questionable) self.

Korver - Hell yes. Spread the floor. Make Bynum and Pau the happiest bigs on the planet.

Fish - No brainer. The heart and soul of this team. How can he NOT be a part of the three-peat Dynasty?

Go Lake Show!

"Fisher and Bynum were BIG KEYS to the championship, only a few days ago...."

Ruud, using that quote above, it seems like Staples24 should re-name himself to Staples 17 since he has stated that Bynum is the number 1 option and threw Kobe/Fisher/Gasol/Odom underneath the bus and declared Bynum the 2010 MVP, 2010 Finals MVP, and Manny Pac/Floyd Mayweather of the league with Dwight (interesting hmmm).

To be fair and use no name calling (like Staples24 ahem Staples 17 did) lets put that quote into perspective. Let's get a few things clear:

1. Bynum showed lots of heart in playing injured the whole series
2. Fisher was the leader (along with Kobe) and stepped up big in Game 3 and in the 4th quarter of Game 7.
3. There has been games where Bynum has been fantastic. After all Bynum did develop into a good center and being a solid third option.

That being said......BYNUM WAS NOT A KEY IN THE FINALS DESPITE PLAYING INJURED.

Let's put this production wise:
Game 1: 10 points (4-6), 6 rebounds, 0 blks
Game 2: 21 points (6-10), 6 rebounds, 7 blks
Game 3: 9 points(3-9), 10 rebounds ,1 blks
Game 4: 2 points (1-2), 3 rebounds, 0 blks
Game 5: 6 points (3-6), 1 rebounds, 0 blks
Game 6: 2 points (1-4), 4 rebounds, 1 blks
Game 7: 2 points (1-5), 6 rebounds, 0 blks

Total stat line: 7.4ppg (45.2%), 5.1rpg, 1.3blks

If those were "Key" to the Lakers win in the 2010 either the opponent must really suck or the other teammates were that damn good (Kobe and Pau).

then someone will say "but but Bynum was injured you fool!"

True Bynum was injured and as a result only average 25 minutes roughly. This only reinforces the point that Bynum wasn't as a *key* compared to Kobe and Pau's contributions.

The only game Bynum had a great game production wise was Game 2 where he put 21 points blocked 7 shots yet only grabbed 6 boards (half of them were on the offensive side). Yet we still lost that game even though it was close in the 4th quarter so it wasn't a key compared to the games where the Lakers won. (Games 1, 3, 6, 7). The only game I think he truly had an impact in winning the game was Game 3 where he grabbed 10 rebounds. Otherwise he was more of a supporting player than a crucial part of the 2010 NBA Finals.

When Bynum reaches a line of:
33 points 16 rebounds 5 assists 3 blocks 57% shooting while having a dominant guard AND going against a great defensive player then we can truly talk about him being a beast and "Key" part of the championship team while telling people who should be the top dog then. Oh wait that's right it already has happened except his name wasn't Andrew Bynum it was Shaquille O'Neal and that's his stat line in 2001 against a really great defensive cog in Dikembe Mutombo.

Bynum does play the role of a great role player who's presence does need to be accounted for. Until he reaches the Diesel he's no more than just what I just said he is.

rudd van and hobbit..

thx for the comments.. i never advocated that as a starting lineup.. i just said that could be one bad ass defensive lineup.. bell is obviously a bench player at this point in his career... there is also no doubt dfish will be resigned and will stay our starter and deservedly so.. at least until somebody can prove they can take it from him.


Adam, we hardly knew ye.

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Names being bandied about for our two second round picks:

Jerome Randall, only 5'10" which would seem to doom him for the Lakers but there's supposedly some legit interest in the organization. Super fast and an outside shooter.
A couple 6'6" combo guards - Greivis Vasquez from Maryland and Alexy Shved from Russia.
Brian Zoubek from Duke, legit 7'1" size and inside presence.
Dexter Pittman, a 310 pound wide body.

get ridnour.

MrNano,

Our needs is PG and depth.

As for the summer league, J-Critt because he's not a rookie will have to come on a regular minimum salary or part of the mid-level to get on the team. For those who are on the Summer League team and is a rookie then they can come on small rookie contracts which are usually below $1 million.

Usually though the ones who we need to really replace we can find them. Farmar can easily be replaced though his ability to speed the tempo won't be (though the rest of his game: defense, stopping running the offense won't be), Ditto for Morrison, Powell, and Mbenga. So that's 4 players that really won't be missed (I'll miss Mbenga for tacos though....he does want to play more however and it won't be the case with Pau/Bynum or if a Bosh trade does happen it's really the same story mostly) out of 6 possible (If Shannon leaves). Derek Fisher comes back on a veteran's minimum, we sign a couple to replace Powell/Mbenga using minimum contracts/summer league, and we use mid-level to get fill in the gaps for the back court (if we get J-Critt on a minimum contract that makes the Mid-Level available for a good scorer).

Yellofever,

Hey man I know that Staples24 aka Staples 17 did get on your nerves but don't stoop to his level. For all the "you fool things" remember that guy threw Kobe under the bus "Superstars come and go but there will always be the LA Lakers" BS and also threw Gasol AND Odom under as well but will always praise Bynum if he was the second coming of Shaq already. I know his Bball IQ is rather low but I do ask you to try to be more mature about by not stooping to his level so people know who is the one who has the bad line up. Just looking for you man. Peace.

As for talk about Kobe's extension, he did leave money on the table.
He signed for $84 mill when he could have gone as high as $91 mil.
From an article on April 2 by Bres & Turner.

>>>>
Kobe Bryant signed a three-year, $84-million extension Friday, staying under contract through 2013-14 for slightly less than the maximum amount.

Bryant, who will be eight weeks shy of his 36th birthday when his new contract ends, could have signed for between $86 million and $91 million, depending on salary-cap figures to be determined after next season.
>>>>

LA Lakers 2009-2010 Back-to-Back NBA Champions

Yellow:

One more thing: I saw in BSPN an article about CB4 not wanting to be "the" man in his team, where ever he goes.

However, if he comes to Lakers, he's not even going to be #2, he's going to be #3
option (behind Kobe and Pau). I dont think he'll be able to convince his conscience that he's #3. If he's so much wanting a championship, then he'll do it, but I dont think so. Dude wants the glitter and money of being a #1 option!!

KB Blitz,

ur right.. bad move on my part.. i'm cool as a cucumber now.. thanks and much appreciated. :)


KB Blitz,

Hate is too strong a word. Let's just say I'm ready to see the Lakers go back to playing "normal" basketball, that is defense-oriented, fundamentally-solid with some uptempo pace. Remember Showtime Lakers? now there was a dynasty with a style of play that was really, really fun and enjoyable to watch with the kind of team that ALWAYS played hard as supposed to switch-on/switch-off and with a coach that nobody had to second-guess on his time-out calling, personnel utilization, game prep, real-time adjustments... and last but not least the team at least did a decent job defending the pick-n-roll.

Not that I in anyway disrespect and lessen the Shaq/Kobe dynasty as well as the current Kobe/Gasol one -just different style that's all.

"... Who said we need a traditional PG when you have Kobe/Artest/LO to initiate the offense?" that maybe OK as long as the Lakers play the Triangle but it could be as soon as next season or more likely the season after that there will be a new Laker coach. I sincerely doubt the new Laker coach will still play the Triangle. Phil will be faraway fishing in Montana and Tex Winter will be too old. Without those two advocates, the Triangle will surely wither and die out. Meaning we'll see "traditional" basketball again. The kind of basketball once made famous by Magic and Jerry West, both true PGs.

Kobe/Artest/LO are nowhere near true PG for the new "traditional" offense. Of course LBJ is indeed a true PG but I doubt LAL can afford both him and Kobe!

KB Blitz,

Also, it may sound funny but I believe Phil Jackson's Lakers have been somewhat underachievers. That's right, despite the five rings! Except for the Lakers team with Kwame Brown at center, the rest of the time Phil has had absolutely devastatingly superior talented squad. Maybe they could have won one or two more rings? or at the very least, they would have won in easier fashion.

Maybe it is still too fresh to realize but I'm sure sometimes in the future we'll look back and think it shouldn't have taken the Lakers all SEVEN games to beat the Celts. Lakers had the third best record in the league and home court advantage. Celts really weren't all that good coming into the PO.

Nevertheless and in spite of being short-handed, the Celts came within one quarter of a huge upset pretty much thanks to a terrific and genius game plan -only thing was they were too old too tired too beaten up to be able to sustain it for one more quarter.

Repost, from an earlier post:


LakerTom,

You're so funny!! You want to trade Luke and Odom for Collison and Okafor!!

Luke - NO team is going to take Luke's contract, its too high and not expiring.

Collison would work for us.

But why Okafor?? You're telling your guy Bynum is going to get injured and we need a good center??

I dont think our team needs two starting centers!! Gortat at 6-mil/yr was the most-paid back-up center. I think Okafor is slated to make around 12-mil/yr. So we're going to pay 12-million for a back-up center??? Too funny!!

LO can play 4 and 5, and can also do the ball handling. Can Okafor do any of those?? Okafor can play C and some PF. Thats all!!

From your comments - all I can see is to divert Bynum from getting traded.

How about trading Bynum for Okafor + Collison, since their salaries match. Sounds good???

Psycorp:

"Except for the Lakers team with Kwame Brown at center, the rest of the time Phil has had absolutely devastatingly superior talented squad"

Please tell me you were only joking!!

How can you associate the word "superior" with a line-up comprising of Smush Parker, Brian Cook and Chris Mihm??

It's too bad Ammo couldn't laugh at the mad at Sasha joke. I think that's hilarious.

some leisure kobe reading:

http://www.nba.com/2010/news/features/vince_thomas/06/22/kobe.legacy/


and a little tidbit of artest exit interview from another blog:

(On what he learned about Kobe after a season of playing with him): "He reminds me of myself. Every team I was on I was always the hardest worker … I didn’t know what to expect from Kobe. I saw for myself he’s the hardest worker. He’s the franchise. He would practice every day if he could, but with injuries he couldn’t. When he was out there, he was the hardest worker, defensively and offensively. And getting to the gym at six in the morning. I’m like, yeah, that’s who I want to lead me. I don’t like to be lead by non-leaders. I’m not going to let you lead me (otherwise). I don’t have a problem saying, ‘Your franchise player sucks.’ I felt more than honored to have Kobe lead me.


"Let's just say I'm ready to see the Lakers go back to playing "normal" basketball, that is defense-oriented, fundamentally-solid with some uptempo pace."

Psycorp you would rather have Pop over Phil? No offense but Phil has owned Poppovich come playoff time. The only one victory series Pop beat Phil was in 2003 when Phil was having heart surgery (and even then it took Rob's missed game winner to truly send the series to the Spurs). Pop's "defense-oriented, fundamentally-solid with some uptempo pace" has never beaten Phil's teams save for once.

"Maybe they could have won one or two more rings? or at the very least, they would have won in easier fashion."

Let's see Phil's record and explain the non title ones.

1999-2000: NBA Championship
2000-2001: NBA Championship
2001-2002: NBA Championship
2002-2003: Lost in Western Conference Semi-Final
2003-2004: Lost in NBA Finals
2005-2006: Lost in 1st Round
2006-2007: Lost in 1st Round
2007-2008: Lost in NBA Finals
2008-2009: NBA Championship
2009-2010: NBA Championship

5 Championships....that's sure a ton. 5 Championships is ONE MORE than Riley won in LA (He won his 5th in Miami in 2006). The first time Phil lost was in 2003 and 1) He had Heart Surgery 2) The Laker's failure to win home court was primarily due to Shaq and his "I got hurt on company time, I'll heal on company time and 3) Horry's miss in Game 5. In 2004, he had a 1 legged Malone, Payton who was outplayed by Chauncey Billups, and Kobe who had been worn down by his trial (and was really hounded by Prince into shooting bricks). In 05-07 he had a team that the year before (which was arguably more talented with Caron Butler compared to Kwamay Brown then) was in the LOTTERY (which drafted Bynum) and made it to the playoffs twice. In 08 they OVERACHIEVED with largely the same team the previous year (except for Bynum's emergance and especially Pau coming to LA) against the Celtics and save for Game 6 stayed on par with that Celtic squad.

"Maybe it is still too fresh to realize but I'm sure sometimes in the future we'll look back and think it shouldn't have taken the Lakers all SEVEN games to beat the Celts. Lakers had the third best record in the league and home court advantage. Celts really weren't all that good coming into the PO. "

Remember that Celtic squad BEAT THE TEAMS THAT HAD THE 1ST AND 2ND BEST RECORD IN THE NBA! And it wasn't if those teams were overachievers like the Hawks were....they had top NBA talent. The Cavs had Lebron James and the Celtics embarrassed them TWICE in Cleveland and beat the Cavs in 6. Then the Celtics embarrassed the Magic TWICE and just demolished the Magic who had SWEPT their previous two opponents (Charlotte Bobcats and Atlanta Hawks). The 2009-2010 Celtics may have ad a bad regular season but they were a BETTER team in the playoffs. Dwyane Wade, Lebron James, and Dwight Howard (elite players in today's NBA) fell to the Celtics. Give the Celtics credit rather than Lakers' underachieving....the Celtics were a damn good team!

"The kind of basketball once made famous by Magic and Jerry West, both true PGs."

West as a SG not a PG even though he had the height of PG. I don't know about you but being old enough to watch Wilt bring a title to LA in 72 I know my history. The fact West played SG and had those assists one can only argue more that you don't need a traditional PG compared to a great post presence!

Hmm Lebron last time I recalled played SMALL FORWARD rather than Point guard? Ditto for Wade save for that Wade is a SHOOTING GUARD. Yet even 06 version of Wade ran the offense instead of Jason Williams. Current Wade also does, not Carlos Arroyo. Same for Mo Williams with Lebron. Even Roy runs his teams' offense instead of Blake/Miller.

Fact is: You don't need a PG to run the offense when your 2-guard is doing it! Kobe has even more job to do than MJ: Playmake/Score/set up the offense and defense along with Fisher/guard the best guard when the situation is close/and be the go to guy when it matters most. MJ had Pippen to do those things and who was their PG? Paxson? Armstrong? Harper? Puh-Lease. Besides Phil runs triangles sets maybe at most 50% of the time. Other teams he sets up plays designed for other players which does include pick and rolls and isolations. That's why he's a great coach! He may run the triangle but he knows when to ditch it and call for the correct plays for your best player! If you don't think championship rings are good enough then maybe NOTHING is. Everyone else would rather have a RING than just a "traditional offense". Ask Stockton where his rings are....ask West how come he only has *1* ring, ask Nash why Mark Madsen has 2 more rings while he has ZERO, and ask Jason Kidd what happened when Byron Scott's "traditional offense" met with Phil's Lakers in 2002...nevermind let me answer that: SWEEP! And ask yourself why Byron Scott got the boot in New Orleans whose team also suffered a 58 point beat down AT HOME (which made our 39 point beating by the Celtics look like nothing compared to that 58 point beat down) by the Nuggets with Byron's "traditional offense with a traditional PG".

Those only reinforces why Phil is the best coach of all time!

Since when Jerry West become a "true" PG?? That means someone who can only play PG, right??

I think Jerry was a #2 guard (SG)!!

"From your comments - all I can see is to divert Bynum from getting traded."

Ruud, me and Laker Tom are cool at times, but again when it comes to the Bynum issue we split a ton. Laker Tom wanted Lamar Odom gone last offseason (when Odom was leaning towards Miami) and was saying "Andrew Bynum is plan B for the Lakers" and in my opinion he just wanted LO gone to get extra minutes for Andrew Bynum then once Odom got re-signed implored to have Odom at PG even though Odom is no PG (the only tall PG really was Magic Johnson and well Magic is 100x better than LO even in the rebounding department) so Gasol won't be at center and for Bynum to be in crunch time to be a stat-jacker.

When it comes to Bynum LT does have form of sanity (Kobe is the Finals MVP not Bynum though Staples24 would say otherwise) at times but loses it when his pet project doesn't get the stats that he wants. But I do agree with you that LT when it comes to Bynum at least he cares more about AB to the point where it seems he wants more Bynum's success than team success.

And HBMatt, the fact Kobe is being paid $28 million after next season only reinforces my point that he didn't do what Laker Tom said he was going to do (take a pay cut even though KB did take less money it was a pay raise nevertheless). By the time Bryant will be 35 only 1 person has earned that much money in that time and yes you guessed it Michael Jordan.

Last post guys (sorry about that lol) but Ruud West is considered on the best SG's of all time.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/dailydime?page=dime-greatestsgs

(Remember this page was made before Kobe got his 4th ring).

West is considered as the 3rd greatest SG of all time behind Michael and Kobe. He ranked ahead of more well known 2-guards like Allen Iverson, Clyde the Glide, Pistol Pete Maravich, the Knick Killer Reggie Miller, and one of my favorite players from the 80's the Iceman George Gervin.

Only serves my point is that you don't need a 'traditional" PG to win a championship.

DID ANY OF YOU see this?

Tha Finals - 2010 Cleveland Cavs Playoff Anthem

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jxOtTdvRVFo&feature=related

it's more fun to watch it NOWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW

Kobe Bryant on the cover of Sports Illustrated

http://bit.ly/cf2zJa

Kobe, by winning a fifth ring, now fully his own man

http://www.nba.com/2010/news/features/vince_thomas/06/22/kobe.legacy/

Lakers need retooling this off season, period!

They should do one of those 09 puppet commercials with Ammo saying to LeBron: "Have you seen my TWO championship Rings?"

Not thinking about next season yet, still enjoying the championship!

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Just an impartial observation. Some of the trades proposed here, I would say based on several assumptions:

1. Other teams want to help Lakers to complete three peat. Wrong!!! Especially teams like Hornets playing in the same Western conference.

2. Other team ran by jerks or incompetent morons

3. And final one, discussed for the past 3 years on this blog, trading 3 Chevys for 1 Porsche seems like an equal trade. Wrong again!!!

About specifics, no one going to touch Walton’s or LO contract, because of long term and questionable return. Lakers cannot offer anything but MLE or veteran’s minimum because of the next season commitment already put them well over there projected cap.

According Hoopshype in committed salaries for 2010-2011:
Kobe 24.8
Pau 17.8
Drew 13.8
LO 8.2
Ron 6.3
Sasha 5.4
Luke 5.2

For mathematically challenged friends it’s already payroll 81.5, roughly 11.5M over projected cap 69.9. It means Dr Buss will pay an additional 11.5M in penalties and Lakers still short 6 players to the league mandated minimum of 13. If you take into consideration resigning of DFish this figure looks even more staggering.

Repost

Just an impartial observation. Some of the trades proposed here, I would say based on several assumptions:

1. Other teams want to help Lakers to complete three peat. Wrong!!! Especially teams like Hornets playing in the same Western conference.

2. Other team ran by jerks or incompetent morons

3. And final one, discussed for the past 3 years on this blog, trading 3 Chevys for 1 Porsche seems like an equal trade. Wrong again!!!

About specifics, no one going to touch Walton’s or LO contract, because of long term and questionable return. Lakers cannot offer anything but MLE or veteran’s minimum because of the next season commitment already put them well over there projected cap.

According Hoopshype in committed salaries for 2010-2011:
Kobe 24.8
Pau 17.8
Drew 13.8
LO 8.2
Ron 6.3
Sasha 5.4
Luke 5.2

For mathematically challenged friends it’s already payroll 81.5, roughly 11.5M over projected cap 69.9. It means Dr Buss will pay an additional 11.5M in penalties and Lakers still short 6 players to the league mandated minimum of 13. If you take into consideration resigning of DFish this figure looks even more staggering.

"Lakers need retooling this off season, period!"

Joe_ Corad

Sorry to pick you out, Joe. But this whole line of thought is hilarious to me. The Lakers have been to the Finals 3 years in a row. They are bac-to-back champs. Except for Fisher, they are not particularly old. So we have a relatively young championship caliber team here.


Barring some unusual opportunity, the BIG SIX will be back - Kobe, Pau, Ron, Drew, Fish and Lamar. Only Fish is not under contract, and the ones folks want to trade may not bring equal value in a swap. Drew is undergoing surgery and Odom did not fare as well as he hoped in the free agent market LAST year, before a slightly sub-par year this year.


Not only is it reasonable to assume those guys will be back, it is smart. Hell, they've won two titles. Where the lakers will "retool" is on the bench. Farmar is likely to be gone. It is reasonable to assume that Sasha will step in and do more than he did last year. Shannon Brown may grow as well. Still, the Lakers are likely to dip into the free agent pool to replace Farmar, and there are upgrades out there.


Second, the Lakers could use a stronger SF off the bench. Some good names have been thrown around - Korver, Miller, Kleiza. The Lakers don't have a lot of money to throw around, so they will be looking for solid vets who will play for the exemption or the mimimum to win a title. They may need to spend the larger sum on a PG based on Fisher's age (though he played all 82 last year). So the SF will be a guy who just wants to play in LA and win, not someone looking for the most cash.


This team will be reinforced around the margins, but it won't be "retooled." With luck, a healthy Bynum and Kobe, and Artest more familiar and comfortable in the system, will make the BIG SIX better as well.


How important is the PG position in the NBA?
The short answer is: A lot less important than most people think. At least when it comes to winning an NBA title. The PG position rose to prominence in the mind of most current basketball fans with the rise of the Showtime Lakers (oldsters will remember Bob Cousy). Magic Johnson redefined the position. But Magic was also the most unique player in NBA history, not at all representative of the PG position. We can’t really look at Magic was a normal PG:

1) He was 6’9” tall (most PGs are the shortest guy on the floor)
2) He played center in the deciding game of an NBA finals
3) He closed out his career as a power forward
4) He usually played forward on defense, even in his prime (Worthy often guarded SGs and Scott PGs)


The truly great PGs of the last decade or so, the guys who were the best players on their team –guys like Jason Kidd, Steve Nash, Allen Iverson, Deron Williams– added together these guys have won exactly ZERO NBA championships. ZERO. The last team who had a point guard as their BEST player that won an NBA title was the Detroit Pistons in 88/89 and 89/90 (Isaiah Thomas). They may be the only team outside the Showtime Lakers to be led to a title by a world-class PG. (Those Lakers also had Kareem by the way. Magic never won after Kareem retired).


The Lakers in 72/73 simply did without a PG, starting two shooting guards, West and Goodrich. They won 33 straight games while eschewing the PG altogether. Look at who the leaders were on recent champs. Kobe/Gasol. Garnett/Pierce/Allen. Duncan/Ginobili/Parker (finally a PG, but Duncan was The Man). Shaq/Wade. Shaq/Kobe. Duncan/Robinson. Jordan/Pippen. Olajawon. Great teams are not led by great PGs.


If your goal is an NBA title, a top tier PG is poor investment. Every team, even the Lakers, has some limit to their budget. Teams that spend their money on a top tier PG don’t seem to be able to win. Why? Because the SG and the bigs are simply more important and you should save your money for those positions. Look at the Lakers. They spend their money on the SG/PF/C. They have a lot of skilled length. Their trip will through the West featured 3 top tier. Westbrook. Williams. Nash. The Lakers beat all three teams.


This is not a knock on these guys. It is just an observation. With Lakers fans wailing about our disadvantage at PG, I started to wonder why, with this huge disadvantage, the Lakers have been able to keep winning with Fisher year after year. Why the Bulls won with Paxson. Why Kidd and Nash have come up empty. The answer seems to be that you can’t spend too much of your salary budget on the smallest guy on the floor. Magic is an exception because he was the size of a PF, he WASN’T the smallest guy on the floor. Nixon or Scott was.

If you have the cash, Bill Russell or Michael Jordan, or Kareem or Olajawon or Shaq or Kobe or Garnett or LeBron or Gasol is a better way to spend it than Nash. Because there are more talented guys who are 6’1” to 6’5” tall than there talented guys who are 6’6” to 7’2” tall. You want to spend your dollars on the rarer commodity. Because height actually matter in basketball. It is that simple.

Yellow,


There is no way the Lakers trade Bynum for Bosh after seeing again how effective he is in the championship round against the east's big boys. You would have to include a player with Bosh I would suspect, even to make that trade at this point. I would guess most GMs would rather have Andrew than Bosh. Bosh has proven nothing but fluf to this point, while Andrew has played a big role in consecutive rings.


I'd even put an end to the Bosh for Bynum talk from this point forward. It won't happen and why should it? So we can score more from the center/PF combo? I'd much rather have the big, traditional body in the paint that makes it difficult for opposing front lines to score or rebound.


And Sasha...you crazy guy. The machine is 1,000% back. In my eyes, he earned his entire contract with those free throws. Remember, just last year D Howard missed 2 FTs in a similar situation -- in the finals -- that led to Fisher's buckets and a Lakers win. So, that was huge beyond belief and I tk he'll have his best year as a pro next year. The confidence gained from that moment and the fact that he'll be playing more with Farmar gone and two 2nd round picks on the bench, will propel Sasha thru next year with panache.


Wes

Wes Joe & yellow,

Wes Joe wrote: There is no way the Lakers trade Bynum for Bosh after seeing again how effective he is in the championship round against the east's big boys. You would have to include a player with Bosh I would suspect, even to make that trade at this point. I would guess most GMs would rather have Andrew than Bosh. Bosh has proven nothing but fluf to this point, while Andrew has played a big role in consecutive rings.

my response: How do you rate the effectiveness of Bynum vs. the east bigs?
He has been injured the last 3 years.


1st year he didn't play.
2nd year, Gasol was responsible for production at C not Bynum. Bynum
was consistently in foul trouble against Howard.
3rd year, Bynum was limited by his knee. His most productive game was our
first loss against Boston.

Bosh has much more evidence of being productive against the eastern Bigs
given that he's played there for a few years and been an all-star in the east.

As I've said before, if you want to keep Bynum because you like him then
say so. Let's not re-write history to make Bynum out to be something he's
not.

Psycorp,

>>>I'm not an expert at figuring out salary figures but with Farmar, Morrison
>>>and Brown gone PLUS the MLE that is always available the Lakers should be
>>>able to get a very decent front-line starting NBA PG.

Well, let's clarify this. Losing Farmar, Morrison, and Brown gets the Lakers nothing. No cap space, no extra exceptions to spend, nothing. The one thing it does is NOT spend money. If the Lakers don't re-sign Farmar, then they're not paying Farmar. They'd have to sign someone else, and they might be better or worse than Farmar (teams have to have a minimum of 13 players on their rosters), but perhaps they could get them for less.

So basically, you can think of it this way. If the Lakers just let those three guys walk for nothing, then they have just under 6 million dollars to spend to replace what they brought to the team. That and minimal salaries, plus they didn't user their biannual last season, so that's another 2 million dollar contract they could offer.

And basically, Kobe+Pau+Andrew+Lamar+Ron = luxury tax. That's right. Those 5 players make enough combined to put the Lakers in luxury tax. So the salary of whoever they sign is doubled.

So instead of thinking, "hmmm, would it be worth paying 6 million a year for Ray Felton?" You have to think, "hmmm, would it be worth paying TWELVE MILLION a year for Ray Felton?"

I think the Lakers will re-sign Fisher and start him, and sign a backup PG who will sign for 3 million or less. Possibly Farmar or Brown, possibly someone else. And then they'll fill out the rest of the roster with minimal salary players (including Powell and MBenga if they're still willing to work for league minimums)

Note that if the Lakers re-sign any of Farmar, Brown, &/or Morrison, that doesn't count against that MLE money. So basically, they could re-sign Farmar and still spend 6 million. Or re-sign Brown and still spend 6 million. Or re-sign Farmar AND Brown and still spend 6 million. But if they're planning on signing a point guard with MLE money, then it doesn't make sense to bring both of those guys back.

wesjoe

fair enough.. i realize its purely speculation and just fantasy talk at this point.. i really should put a muzzle on it or at least until we hear anything from a credible source...

i love bynum and if he can stay healthy this would make no sense... my decision is based on risk/reward factors or minimizing injury risk though sacrificing some potential rewards.

Psycorp,

My thoughts on the list:

Kobe likes him, so he's almost a lock to sign and start:
>>>Derek Fisher (Unrestricted)

like `em (don't know if any of them would be willing to split the
starter role with Fish or take less than MLE level money):
>>>Raymond Felton (Unrestricted)
>>>Luke Ridnour (Unrestricted)
>>>Steve Blake (Unrestricted)
>>>C.J. Watson (Restricted)
>>>Keyon Dooling (Team Option) (and his team will probably sign the team option)

Like him (but definitely isn't willing to not start):
>>>Jordan Farmar (Restricted)

Their teams will probably re-sign, so Lakers have very little shot:
>>>Kyle Lowry (Restricted)
>>>J.J. Barea (Team Option - $1.8 million)
>>>Will Bynum (Restricted)

decent defenders, but too weak on offense:
>>>Chris Duhon (Unrestricted)
>>>Earl Watson (Unrestricted)
>>>Speedy Claxton (Unrestricted)

old and slow:
>>>Anthony Carter (Unrestricted)
>>>Antonio Daniels (Unrestricted)
>>>Kevin Ollie (Unrestricted)
>>>Chucky Atkins (Unrestricted)

shorter Jordan Farmar on steroids (defense comes and goes, can shoot you into a game or shoot you out of a game):
>>>Nate Robinson (Unrestricted)

His team already signed the option, so he's out:
>>>Mario Chalmers (Team Option)

Never really recovered from his injury:
>>>Shaun Livingston (Unrestricted)

Cancerous overpaid underperformers:
>>>Jamaal Tinsley (Unrestricted)
>>>T.J. Ford (player option for '10-'11 - owed 8.5 million)

Gun-totin' head case, but at least he has some triangle experience and would work cheap:
>>>Javaris Crittenton (Unrestricted)

Played poorly on the big stage:
>>>Rafer Alston (Unrestricted)

Supposed to be a shooter, but 28% from 3????!?!?!?1?1?
>>>Carlos Arroyo (Unrestricted)

Not better than Farmar (but maybe one of them would be willing to be a backup in order to get a ring):
>>>Sergio Rodriquez (Knicks can make QO – likely Unrestricted)
>>>Mardy Collins (Restricted)
>>>Sebastian Telfair (Player Option)
>>>Marcus Williams (Restricted)
>>>Acie Law (Unrestricted)
>>>Travis Diener (Unrestricted)
>>>Jannero Pargo (Unrestricted)
>>>Chris Quinn (Unrestricted)
>>>Mike James (Unrestricted)
>>>Jason Hart (Unrestricted)
>>>Jason Williams (Unrestricted)
>>>Sundiata Gaines (Unrestricted)
>>>Bobby Brown (Unrestricted)
>>>Lester Hudson (Unrestricted)
>>>Royal Ivey (Unrestricted)
>>>Earl Boykins (Unrestricted)
>>>Patrick Mills (Restricted)
>>>Anthony Johnson (Unrestricted)

Edwin Gueco,

>>>IMO, Brown and Sasha have trade values compared to Walton who remains
>>>injured and expensive.

This is a very wise observation.

Sasha didn't play much for the Lakers in the playoffs, but he just came off shooting 40% from 3-point range for the playoffs. And playing decent defense as well. If he hadn't made that stooopid flagrant on Goran Tragic, I'd say Sasha had a very good playoffs in his limited role.

So right now, a 40% shooter with a 1-year-at-5-million-and-then it expires deal, Sasha is a somewhat valuable commodity. Also remember that Sasha once scored 20 in an NBA finals game, back when he had a much longer leash from Phil.

And more salient, Shannon Brown is also a potentially tradeable player. But that actually would require Shannon being willing to be traded. I don't think the Lakers can trade him when he has an option on his last year. And I think if the salary offered is equal, he'd prefer to stay with the champs.

So basically, it would require that some team likes Shannon enough that they would be willing to sign him for more than the Lakers are willing to pay him and would be willing to work a sign and trade with the Lakers to do the deal. So you're probably talking about some team that is over the salary cap (so they can't just sign Shannon outright), needs a shooting guard, believes that Shannon could consistently perform given starter minutes, and has some player the Lakers want in trade (or maybe a 1st round pick).

I'm not sure there is such a team, or what the Lakers could get back for him, but definitely Shannon is potential trade-bait (especially if he wants to make more money but the Lakers aren't willing to pay him more).

Maybe Toronto? Sign and trade Shannon for Jarrett Jack?

phred - Yes definitely a good suggestion. One all the dust settles from the exit interviews, I'll have more of those pieces later on.

MM

Okay before my beloved blog fam shoots me for throwing this out there, understand this cat I am about to reveal is an All-Star, and former MVP and scoring leader and is still better than what we had coming off our bench even with his personal issues! That's right. A.I.!! He is planning a comeback and I don't think anyone can say he has totally lost his game and wouldn't be able to contribute off the bench either as a point or a two guard. If we are talking about strengthening our bench, A.I., TMac, Bell and Korver or Mike Miller would def greatly improve upon what we had this season....And I do believe he would buy into the role player concept considering all that has transpired over his life the last few years. Like Tmac and all the other vets, winning is a high priority with him.

So go ahead, load up your AMMO and bust a cap in me. But its all good, yall my fam and I still love ya!! LOL


LongTimeLakerFan: I like Jarret Jack, tough-nosed..I am going way back when he was with Georgia Tech -- and his perimeter shooting has improved....Not a bad idea.

"Jon K.

I'm not an expert at figuring out salary figures but with Farmar, Morrison and Brown gone PLUS the MLE that is always available the Lakers should be able to get a very decent front-line starting NBA PG.

"

Kobe, Gasol, and Bynum alone put the Lakers over the cap. Expiring contracts like Farmar, etc don't increase the amount of money the Lakers can spend getting a free agent.

Best combo of FG% and 3pt threats (PG) and price in the open market:

Luke Ridnour (Unrestricted)
Steve Blake (Unrestricted)
Chris Duhon (Unrestricted)
Mario Chalmers
Keyon Dooling
Earl Watson

Notable:
Acie Law
Rafer Alston

Raja Bell+ off the bench. Your comments gentlemen

Best combo of FG% and 3pt threats (PG) and price in the open market:

Luke Ridnour (Unrestricted)
Steve Blake (Unrestricted)
Chris Duhon (Unrestricted)
Mario Chalmers
Keyon Dooling
Earl Watson

Notable:
Acie Law
Rafer Alston

Raja Bell+ off the bench. Your comments gentlemen

Adam Morrison need to keep on doing what he is doing and just wait his turn and stay on the Lakers.That what I would do if I was him.He might be able to win another championships and he could add that to resume.He need to continue to develope and get stronger that the only way he going to be able to play in this league especially with the position playing being a small forward.People need to remember he still a young player and he will have to develope but he also need to do more for the team and contribute more. He need to work his hardest in practice and every time he step on the court. He should also play for the LAKERS SUMMER TEAM because this might be his only chance to prove himself and to improve as the same time.If I was the Lakers and I decide to keep him then I will put him on the LAKERS SUMMER TEAM and also put him in the NBA D-League if they know their not going to play him or give a good amount of minutes like what the Memphis Grizzlies did with Hasheem Thabeet.He was able to shine their and in one of his D-League games 19 points, 16 rebounds (four offensive) and six blocked shots 38 minutes of action against Fort Wayne Mad Ants.Hasheem Thabeet average 13.8 points ,11.2 rebounds and 3.2 blocks. He also able to play and prove himself instead sitting on the bench. This will help Adam Morrison's game to be more polish.


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