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Andrew Bynum says he's optimistic he'll play in Game 5 of NBA Finals

After missing most of the second half of the Lakers' 96-89 loss to the Boston Celtics in Game 4 of the NBA Finals on Thursday because of increased swelling in his right knee, Lakers center Andrew Bynum says he remains optimistic he will play Sunday in Game 5.

"It's a little frustrating but I plan to play on Sunday," said Bynum, after scoring only two points on one-of-two shooting in 12 minutes of play.

There were a few variables that contributed to Bynum's limitation, including sitting on the bench to start the second half in favor of forward Lamar Odom. He said the swelling that flared up during the Lakers' Game 3 victory Tuesday over Boston didn't improve, causing pain and limiting his ability to get any lift.

"I was kind of a liability out there," Bynum said. "I know they're going to try to hit it and all those things and keep me out of the game. There's two days to go until Game 5 so I have to get ready for that game."

That preparation includes meeting a doctor tomorrow and undergoing constant treatment. Although he's been told by doctors that playing doesn't leave him vulnerable to structural damage in his right knee, Bynum acknowledged that the level of swelling is at his highest since injuring his knee April 30 during Game 6 of the Lakers' first-round series against Oklahoma City.

Even though Bynum saw the swelling go down during Wednesday's practice, the swelling flared up again during Thursday's shootaround, leading Jackson to wonder whether he'd be healthy enough to play in Game 4. By tip-off, the team cleared Bynum to play and Jackson planned to determine Bynum's minutes based on how his play and how he responds to the pain.

"I'm dealing with it," said Bynum, who doesn't plan on draining any fluid in his knee since the procedure he took May 31 did very little to decrease the swelling. "It kind of sucks, but you have to keep going."

The Lakers sorely missed Bynum's contributions, considering the Celtics won in many categories, including rebounds (41-34), points in the paint (54-34) and second-chance points (20-10). Glen Davis' 18 points mostly came against an overmatched Odom and was part of the Celtics' 38-point effort that helped spur them to a series-tying victory. Bynum had averaged 13.3 points and 7.3 rebounds in 32 minutes a game, a stat line that exceeds his playoff total this postseason in both production and playing time.

"It bothered us in the second half not having Andrew be able to come out and play the start of the second half," Jackson said. "He tried a couple minutes, but it wasn't there for him. We're glad we have a couple days off and we can kind of get him back hopefully in position where he can help us out again."

Come Sunday, Bynum hopes that's the case, even if he has to limp through the series. Said Bynum: "That's what I'm going to have to do."

--Mark Medina, in Boston

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Lakers just need to come with it. Ron Artest, we need your game. This is your time to shine.

Sunday should belong to BOS. They have yet to play a complete game while LA has seemingly peaked in Game 3 health-wise.

You have to tip your hat to Glen Davis and Nate Robinson. Those two overwhelmed the lakers.

Doc Rivers is threatening to join D'Antoni as the zen master's master.

SHAME on Lakers fans
I read the posts after game 4 loss and was rather taken aback by fans reactions. It never ceases to amaze me as to how these fans can turn on their team like a pit bull, totally animalistic. After game 3 win fans outpoured their affection, admiration, love, good will, showered their team with accolades. After game 4 loss as usual hate, anger, disgust, gassoft, odumb, should have never traded Ariza, on and on and on, spewing nothing but venom. I suggest that all you whimpering fair weather fans should take a look at yourself in the mirror and ask if it is really worth your time to support Lakers team when it brings so much hatred out of you. Shame on you all of you for calling yourself Lakers Fans as most of you are emotionally unstable and weak. I think I am more upset at the reaction and outpour of hatred than a loss. Just remember Lakers still have a home court advantage and still another opportunity to come back on Sunday and win.

BYNUM is the key and Lakers need him on Sunday provided his health improves.

LA peaked in game 3 Butler?

R.O.F.L.

LA has yet to play even a decent game in this series. They're dominating while being mostly average, Celtics look horrible in comparison, needing every tiny thing to go there way to eek out tiny wins.

Doc Rivers is Phil's master? How exactly did Doc Rivers make Bynum's knee swell so LA had to change their rotation on a dime in the 2nd half since they didn't have their starting center available? How did Doc Rivers make the refs call that insanely bad blocking foul on Kobe that was clearly a Pierce charge in the final minutes? I'm curious, because that would be some pretty impressive coaching, but I don't think Doc had anything to do with it.

If anything, Phil is coaching circles around Doc. The 1-2 screens in 4th quarter of game 3? Doc had no answer, and in general has had no answer for most of the Lakers offense in all 4 games, other than to tell his players to play illegal defense to try and stop them.

Posted by: dj855

Odom is totally useless. Odom is the Scarecrow. No brain. Artest is the Tin Man. Jumps like he's made of metal. Gasol is the Cowardly Lion. Afraid to grab the ball, swing your elbows, clear space, get tough. It's too bad that PJ is no Wiz.

THIS HAS BEEN THE TRUTH FOR MOST OF THIS SEASON

to add to this, PJ is coaching the same way he did in the 2008 finals POORLY

His post game interview he said the Lakers were tired
NO SHIRT SHERLOCK YOU'RE THE ONE DOING THE SUBSTITUTING
What no Walton, no Powell, no Mbanga, if only for a few minutes to give the main guys a rest.
I rather lose a game this way then totally exhausting your best players.

Not a big deal...That's the true.

Would it have mattered if PJ put in Mbenga for 5 mins. or so? Maybe he could have slowed down Davis and grabbed some offensive rebounds.

I'm telling you guys right now. The Celtics have adjusted and found some wrinkle. They are hoping that Phil will put Lamar in to guard Davis.
Lamar weighs like 230. Davis weighs 290. If you guys don't think weight matters. Just go and play with anyone who weighs more than 10 pounds over you. Baby's stocky frame is perfect match up nightmare for Lamar. Baby has short legs and a BIG upper body that he can pound into a skinny body Odom. If I'm a scout for the Celtics I milk that situation all day every day. Key match up for the next game is whichever coach keeps most vigilant of the players being brought in and adjusting but not overly thinking about it. Just using a lot of common sense plus trust. Get Artest to foul early and sub Luke
Walton. That worked last time. If Bynum can't go, they're gonna have to practice on Sunday for about 1 hour 1/2 with Mbenga and get a real ref to simulate ticky tacks on him (If there's a 300 pound body to simulate with who is basketball literate in slow motion?). Just so he's a bit more polished before the actual game on Sunday. Thats just if Bynum can't go. I'm no coach but without Bynum or Mbenga there's no win on Sunday guaranteed. It's 2008 again with a baby full of confidence. I hate that guy now. And I truly hate the Celtics for real now after today. I hate them tonight anyway. Oh, if the Lakers panic, like Artest is, there's no way they can win. Kobe has to go in loose. Sasha has to go in with energy. Luke has to go in with 89 percent energy, Odom has to meditate for 3 hours and so does Artest. Those guys are the most key.
On Sunday Mbenga should be the only one who practices more than 1 hour 30 minutes. They Cant go too hard on Saturday. On Sunday they only have to polish up and warm up for about 1 hour, meditate for a few hours basically to conserve energy for the night.

""""""to add to this, PJ is coaching the same way he did in the 2008 finals POORLY""""

"""""His post game interview he said the Lakers were tired
NO SHIRT SHERLOCK YOU'RE THE ONE DOING THE SUBSTITUTING"""""

I second this emotional observation
NO SHIRT SHERLOCK

We've seen the best Boston has to offer, and it's not very impressive. Phx was a tougher team than Boston, the Celtics rely completely on how much illegal stuff they can get away with during the course of the game, it just comes down to the refs and how much of it they feel like calling on any given night.

There better be some defensive 3 second whistles against Boston on Sunday. If they're allowed to illegally zone the paint like that as often as they do, it's no wonder people *think* they're a good defensive team. If all the teams in the NBA were allowed to do what Boston does, camping big bodies in the paint guarding nobody for 4-5 seconds at a time, every team would be considered a great defensive team.

One more thing I forgot. The Lakers could have won this game with TEAM defense. I think Luke stimulates this facet of the Lakers game. I don't know if management is aware, or if they just act the fool sometimes. I pitty the fool.

It's tied 2-2. No need to panic. Best 2 out of 3 now. Both teams want it. One team will get it. This is how it should be. This is exciting!!!

FAR SIDE,

"SHAME on Lakers fans
I read the posts after game 4 loss and was rather taken aback by fans reactions."

Brother, you've got to understand, these people who respond like that aren't fans.

Yes, Lakers fans expect excellence and should expect excellence.

But these people are chicken littles with no heart. They are incapable of having faith through adversity, which makes them very shallow people.

Laker Nation is filled with True Fans. Most of them just don't vomit nonsense after a loss.

What do we play for? RINGS!!!

Lakers Today... Lakers Tomorrow... Lakers Forever.

GO LAKERS!!!!

So in game 3 Luke Walton plays significant minutes and ends up with the highest +/- at +13.

Exactly what the hell is Phil Jackson thinking when Watlon is DNP (coaches decision) This plus the fact his main guys are exhausted by playing to many minutes.

Sometimes I think he sabotages games.
What he doesn't want Kobe to get another ring closer to his boy MJ?

Pretty suspicious stuff


of course it could be Kobe not living up to the hype in the Finals once again

Things will be fine.

I expected that we'd go 2-1 in Boston. I think almost everyone who has any intelligence and perception expected this thing to go six games, and it will.

Boston's a very good team and they hate us.

And we hate them, as they deserve to be hated.

It was disturbing to me being at work tonight and hearing all these people root passionately for Boston. Boston has broken the backs of the Cavs ungracefully for multiple years and these people were rooting for them. HOW? It felt gross to me.

One guy said to me upon questioning, "We want to be beaten by the team that wins the Championship!"

Really? REALLY?

I don't root for a hated rival. They do here. It makes no sense.

Anyhow, it's almost 4AM here. I'm tired, filled with emotional suckitude because of the loss, and am about to commit to a line of rambling that even the most forgiving Lakeraholic may find to be tedious.

I just want to say that Andrew Bynum is proving to be a man AT LAST.

And we still got this.

It won't be easy, but we don't want easy. We want Greatness.

And we got it.

What do we play for? RINGS!!!!

Lakers Today... Lakers Tomorrow... Lakers Forever.

GO LAKERS!!!!

Best 2 out of a 3 and 2 of them on the Lakers floor. Sounds fine to me. I just want Bynum healthy.

I felt Fish stepping up and hitting unusual shots for him was a bit of an outlier. I also feel that the Lakers starting playing a totally fired up Big Bady and Nate Robinson was a bit of an outlier. They never practiced that sort of match-up.

I believe a return to normal favors the Lakers, but we do need a bit more from Bynum than we had in game 5. It sounds like he will make that happen and he does get that extra rest.

We win game 5. We are a better team and Phil is a good enough coach to make the necessary adjustments so the Celts don't win 2 in a row. Of this I'm certain. That means a 'ship. The only question is in 6 or 7 games. I say 6.

I'd also like to see Luke get a bit more time to give the triangle a tuning. Maybe can help get it rolling and after that with Artest in the guys will have felt out how it can work so they move the ball and off ball people more to get somewhat easier shots.

I'm extremely impressed with the Lakers D, save in the 4th. I think we're doing a very impressive job and improving game to game.

When Baby gets going, I think we need some team D so he can't just head straight for the hoop. I say send him to one side or the other, but wherever our helper shot blocker is. Cut him off and don't let him go under the hoop for a reverse.

In this emotional series, anyone can get going. When they do, it's our job to steal their energy and neutralize their momentum. At times this will mean some in game adjustments.

Boston has had 2 dominant parts of 4th quarters against us. The rest of the series we had some domination or fairly even playing.

Pretty reasonable to expect Boston would win one at home, yes?

Let them have the battle. I want to win the war.

Im sure most of us expected this, no biggy.

-Bynum's worth is underrated, we need him more than we let on.

-People who say the lakers have played their best are stupid. Lakers havent put a good performance together for 48 min besides game 1, where we fully took advantage of the Celtics.

-Poor execution in the 4th quarter is causing us to lose these 2 games. We could've been up 3-1 easily.


-Lakers are EASILY the more superior team, they just have to play like it.

-Boy it feels good to take the series home to LA!!

"We've seen the best Boston has to offer, and it's not very impressive."

Is impressive worth extra pts? Nope. They got the W. Period.

Accept that Celtics are going to pack the paint, and accept that there is no such thing as a defensive 3 call in the Finals. That is their D strategy. It worked in 2008. It worked tonight. They'll keep doing it until we force them to change by either going inside to get lots of whistles n throws, or by consistently hitting mid-range J's and going 35-40% from downtown. Our Achilles Heel is lack of outside shooting and team speed/quickness. The whole league knows it. So "pack and run" will be C's strategy until further notice.

Accept that Celtics are going to bang. That is their game. They'll thug as much as the refs allow. Without Bynum they are heavier up front than we are, and they have enough big bodies (T. Perk, Drooler, Sheed and KG) to give 18 hard fouls off their bench. (I wouldn't be surprised if the Celtics have a "death" pool for the big who breaks Pau's forearm or nose on a hard hacking foul.) If we haven't learned that by now, then we are terminally dumb and deserve to lose another series to the Celtics.

So come on Mayor and fellow Laker fans. Let us stop the refs' conspiracy and Bynum's hurt whining. Those Lakers on the floor have got to play tougher, smarter, harder. They need to sack up.

btw I agree with the person above me, lakers defense looks amazing except for a few quarters here and there. I have to say I'm impressed with the defense, and how many missed layups/baskets the Celtics are getting in transition.

Celtic trolls are in absolute denial -- and some novice Lakers fans are just not educated basketball fans -- and that is the only reason why some people are going around saying game 5 is a must-win for the Lakers. IT CLEARLY IS NOT!!! The Lakers stole home court advantage back by taking game 3, which means that all the pressure in the world will be on the Celtics to win game 5. If they lose game 5, it's over. If Lakers lose game 5, it's not over, not by a long shot. Lakers go home and would most certainly win game 6, and the whole thing would come down to game 7, which the Lakers would win.

I'm calling out Phil and Kobe

Look, if we lose this series it's all on Phil Jackson and Kobe. Got it.
The only reason we won game 3 is because Kobe and Fish came up with their own plan.
Phil doesn't coach and his assistants are worthless too. He was outcoached by Doc Rivers in 08 and he is being outcoached this series.
How you Say?
Well since the first game when Boston came out flat the Lakers have gotten progressively worse. Boston keeps pressuring and the Lakers don't adjust. All its been is Kobe at the elbow and his teammates doing nothing.

If you Laker fans would just take the blinders off just once you'll be able to see that if it weren't for the heroics of Fisher in game 3 this series would be 3-1 Celtics.
The Lakers have been reduced to playing slow down Celtic ball. Kobe looks lost just like 08, what is it with the guy and his choke job in the Finals? He needs to loosen up and stop with all BS. BS when he says he doesn't care about Laker Celtic tradition. Because if he loses, his place in history will be right there with Jerry West who couldn't beat the Celtics. Sorry I take that back, at least Jerry West played great in the finals against Boston.
I don't care if Kobe has 4 rings. 3 of those rings were because of Shaq and last years was a gift.
Kobe will never be forgiven if the Lakers lose this series and the mystique will vanish. I will forever dub him the The Garter Snake Choker
I'd rather have Lebron who loses in the semi-conference finals then a Kobe who does everything to get to the Finals and then lay an egg after egg because of some tight defense.

Back to Phil.
Someone mentioned that the Lakers weren't prepared to play the Celtic bench tonight because they weren't use to the matchups. Excuse me? OK, isn't defense defense? And if it worked for Boston why wouldn't it work for the Lakers? Well I guess it did in game three with Walton.

It's called coaching people, something Doc Rivers has been doing.
Tell me what Phil is doing? It's not about the journey, it's about results.

So go to your podium and woo all the sportswriters with your funny anecdotes and subtle criticisms you smug bastard. In the meantime watch Doc Rivers take a less talented team to another Championship because he actually coaches.

Having said that, we must get Bynum back, even if only at 60%. The Lakers are a far superior team to the Celtics. I've seen enough to know that the Lakers would probably SWEEP the Celtics with a 100% healthy Andrew Bynum. The Lakers have had the lead in every game, into the 4th quarter. They've made some bad decisions at times, been hurt by the refs at times, and been without Bynum at times. Even with all that, the Lakers have had a chance to win every game in this series, which can't be said for the Celtics.


The Lakers are a much better squad this year, this is a no-brainer (unless you're in denial or blind)! The Lakers will win the championship this year, this is not your 2008 Lakers, no way! And the lepers are not the 2008 Celtics either -- they're older, slower and without assasins like James Posey, the main difference in that series.


I called this series in favor of the Lakers in 5 games, hoping Andrew Bynum would play solid minutes every game. That was not to be, but hopefully he will be able to play 30 minutes on Sunday and we can close this thing out in 6 games.


It all comes down to one Andrew Bynum.

Am watching a replay of this game and it was winnable, not unlike Game 2. Just goes to show you that no matter the lead (17 pt Laker lead in Game 3), the game will be competitive.
Kobe and Pau had good offensive production, but there was no 3rd player to pick up the slack for the other 3...and their D wasn't there in the last 8 minutes of the 4th...tired legs or Shrek and Donkey...

With a full two days before Game 5 and Drew getting some rest and treatment on that knee, should be enough for them to make some more 'adjustments' and get another W in Beantown.

LET'S GO, LAKERS!!!!

please stop with the "this was a winnable game" crap.
you know why?
because you start talking about winnable games and it ends up
THIS WAS A WINNABLE SERIES
Laker fans should be mad as hell, they are playing like crap and all of you are acting like it's no big deal.
open your eyes and face reality.

By the way, the Celtics (as a group) are the most CLASS-LESS team in professional sports, with the Thuggets a close second! They behave like a bunch of crybaby losers really. They barely got a win and they act like they won the freaking Championship. Baby acts like the biggest loser of all, with Wallace and Eliminate right behind him. These guys have ***ZERO*** class, and their head coach is a bit of a low-life as well.


Top-down loser squad, what a bunch of low-lives!

YOU HEARD IT HERE... if Lamar doesn't pull his weight in the next few critical days against the hated Celtics, expect him and Sasha to be shipped out for Chris Bosh this off-season.


Andrew is not going anywhere. The odd man out will be Lamar, and I'm sorry to say this because I like the guy, but so far, he has pretty much earned this possible sorry fate.

The Celts won the paint tonight bec Andrew was not there..They attacked the paint early on the game just to see how Drew would react, we managed to control that until the beginning of the 2nd half when Andrew did not come back to start. They continued to attack the lane and that was the key, Phil did not change his personnel because he thought it still manageable to win. We had a chance to win it but the breaks of the game did not favor us. I do not want to cite the ref thing, let us man enough to accept this defeat. We are not like the trolls, Doc rivers, and The Celts owners who need to whine and cry to win the favor of Stern and the refs. We need Andrew in games to come, also we need Mbenga to play some 5-10 mins , it could make a difference. The game is tied, and if you observed how the series is being played we are in control. This team knows how to handle adversity...let us trust them...Phil may slide once in a while but he always comes back with a bang, same as Odom and Artest..just wait and see...Go Lakers....

The Lakers still have this series under control. Adjustments will be made to fill Bynum's shoes, if necessary, and the Lakers will control Boston's fire early. They've got 2 days off and they got the Zen master.

What do we play for? RINGS!!!

Lakers Today... Lakers Tomorrow... Lakers Forever.

GO LAKERS!!!!

Also, expect Mbenga to get some playing time in game 5. God only knows why Phil did not use him in game 4, if only for a few minutes. PJ should have used this guy more often in the regular season. This failure borders on gross negligence.


Same is true for Sasha, who has gotten an unfair deal in L.A. in the last couple of years. This guy can, and will, be a solid role player for some team in the next few years.


How can he improve when he never EVER gets any consistent minutes?

I felt Gasol had to post deeper in the paint. The refs made some bad calls late in the game that cost us. I always felt a long series would hurt us due to Bynum's knee. But the Lakers problem is cosistency. Bryant and Gasol had good games relatively speaking but no one else really showed up. LO 10 points and 7 rebs will not get it done. Artest was even worse. Fisher still had the game 3 hangover.

Pau Gasol vs. Davis, Rasheed, Garnett and Perkins. Impossible for the Lakers. 4 Bigs vs 1 PF is not a matchup, is a massacre.

I hate to think that LA's title hopes rest on 1 injured knee and LO's inconsistency. What bothered me about that game was Kobe's turnovers he had at least 7. Gasol had a big 1 in the closing minutes of the 4th when we finally made a stop. In the 3rd LA had an opportunity to push the lead but would turn it over or take a bad shot. I still though Phil should have given KB some rest going into the 4th because Brown/Farmar were playing well.

There's a reason why Chris Bosh has been hanging around Staples Center all playoffs long, much like Artest last year after the Rockets 1st round exit. Lamar better show up soon or he'll be packaged with Sasha/Walton for Bosh and a guard this offseason.


If Norm Nixon and Trevor Ariza can be shipped to most people's surprise, so can Odom. This is freaking Boston, for Chrissakes! Two Finals losses to the Celtics in 3 years would be viewed as unacceptable by management (Jim/Jerry Buss, who despise the Celtics). All the potential in the world means **ZERO** if you don't carry your weight against the hated Celtics.


Lamar, for crying out tears, be a man and earn your millions!!! This is your time to shine, not in November!

Greetings Lakeshow Fans,

Whew! Two teams digging it out every which way possible...2-2 thus far and more battles to come. Great job by Boston's bench to step in when the game was on the line...As for the Lakers, bad games by Fish (foul trouble), Artest (defensively keeping PP in FRONT of him at key moments), and LO (lack of FILLING UP the moment when his team NEEDED ENERGY).

Hmmm...I usually don't criticize players, but I have to say that LO has been dealt a bad hand in this series matchupwise. Boy! Was this evident in the 4th Quarter of tonight's game...Beat in the paint individually on different occasions by Davis, Ray Allen, Robinson early in the quarter. His defense was not a thing of beauty and was a factor in the outcome. Just watching his defensive stance was enough for my eyes to see...Darn, he's knows BETTER!

Furthermore, when LO had to play Bynum's big minutes in Game 4, he just could not muster his free flowing game (I'm sure the Celtics were pleased that Bynum was not on the floor to give their bigs a tough time in the paint at both ends...Were they PLEASED!) as he did in Game 3 with the NEEDED ENERGY I spoke of earlier.

Here's the deal...When Gasol has to slide over at center, with LO at PF for LONG stretches, this does not favor the Lakers defensively, especially against a bg frontline of the Celtics. That's the REALITY when it happens...Giving up 36 points in the 4th Quarter was evidence of that.

LO has to know that the Celtics are going to BULLY him as long as he continues to show his unwillingness to step in...If LO does not bring his "lunchpail" this Sunday both mentally and physically for 30+ minutes, I'm afraid that he will be the scapegoat for LA not repeating this year...However, I believe that he will play much better in Game 5...the KEY is he has to BELIEVE that he is a DIFFERENCE MAKER...Nobody else can ACCOUNT for that...We shall see...

BTW, I sensed that Artest had "tired" feet and really allowed PP to get to the cup on a few occasions...His energy was quite MUTED...However, I don't expect PP to do that come Sunday with Ron getting some rest for those "dawgs" he sorely depends on to slow him down.

Folks, both these teams have expended so much energy on both ends thus far...Believe me, the Lakers have the Celtics attention despite their victory over LA...Like I said, a whole lot more ball to play.

Also, for Game 5, I expect Bynum to get big minutes and the Lakers to play a bit more ENERGETIC and with a purpose...Yes, this would apply to LO. All in all, I BELIEVE that LA will get it done in the end...For the most part, they have MATCHED Boston's physicality and have given Boston a taste of their medicine...All they have to do is CLOSE 4th quarters well, which they did not do in Games 2 and 4. The KEY is ENERGY and mixing it up offensively, as I really like their use of screen-roll for it makes Boston's picket fence D MOVE...

Like I always say, overcoming ADVERSITY is what makes our team SPECIAL...Heck, reaching the Finals for 3 straight years is awesome in itself...I expect more appearances in the near future, and more RINGS.

Laker pride through ALL and ANY ADVERSITY!

Gasol need to rest some while during games, if not he arrive to the fourth quarter tired, exhaust, he was fighting alone against four big mens who rotate all time... impossible in this conditions to be at 100% all night long.

He done more tan a decent play. Celtic's bench was the key to win, good rotations of big mens and little bit more energy gained resting when they need to rest.

Gasol haters -poor mens who are not true lakersfans- seems to watch games with their brains full of alcohol and drugs.

Anyone else notice Doc Rivers let the hot hands play?

But I just felt the refs would not let LA won that gae last nite. That blocking call on Kobe was huge. farmar getting licked down on the ground with no call but touch fouls on the other end. Thats what Doc and the Cs want to pound the Lakers with impunity or no fouls and get the foul calls in crunch time. As for Kobe his weakness as compared to MJ is his hands are relatively small so when he gets too fancy with the ball he fumbles it or get it strip. I was reading an article interviewing Brian Shaw comparing Mj and Kobe. He said the only basic difference is the hands. He said MJ could be dribbling the ball and just palm it off the dribble not go underneath the ball but from the top and and make his move something Kobe can't do because of his hand size. That's why Rondo is so good with those ball fakes because his hands are huge.

This defines bad coaching

on the defensive end the Lakers have initial position once a shot goes up.
the Laker players then move closer toward the basket
moving right behind them are Celtic players
momentum pushes the Lakers to far and the Celtics get rebounds.

THIS IS PISS POOR DEFENSE

the Lakers are so unsound fundamentally that the can't grasp the notion to stop their forward progess, plant, and box out the Celtic players behind them.

Been watching this crap for years just can't stand it anymore.
Poor coaching will give you Lamar Odum and Ron Artest (best buds) the freedom to be the radar men who say "um, there's a green blob coming and I think it's headed our way"
Just pathetic.

Well done!

I keep saying... to me personally the MVP of these series is PG because this guy has been constant unlike MR. KB who in my opinion is giving these series to the Celtics.

There is one thing I stil can´t figure out... you´re up by 6+ and you have a bunch of decent guys who can score constantly.... why can´t you just pass or go hard to increase the lead??? Kobe looked lost tonight and it doesn´t matter how many points he scored because to me... if he has to score when the lead is out there. Whenever the Lakers are trailing and he (Kobe) decides to outscore everyone, thats when the Lakers start to lose the games because he starts to dribbling too much to find space to shoot and consequently, turns the ball over time after time.

Well it comes down to game 5. Whoever wins that game I believe will win the whole thing. Defensively we can't get outrebounded by the worst rebounding team in the regular season. Their second chance points killed us last night. Second, take care of the ball because we had way too many turnovers especially you Kobe. Third shoot up Bynum's knee with some cortisone or whatever and hopes he plays. Fourth Gastron when he is out there you gotta get inton the paint and I mean deep, too many times you were on the perimeter setting picks instead of deep. If everybody including our power forward/center shooting jumpshots then LA is in trouble. Guards especially Kobe has to get to the rim and finish. There is always a risk of injury but you have to lay it on the line its for all the marbles. LO I don't know about you, you seem to be in a fog. LO never gets upset or angry and everytime he is interviewed he talks about how much fun it is. I wish the NBA allowed incentive bonuses for people like LO. If we win the ring then ex amount is added onto your contract. Phil lobby like how Doc did because those refs refused to give LA a break. Send them tape of the extra contact. In the game manage the players playing time and call out certain players to help carry us. Let's go Lakers!!

..meant to say... because to me... HE HAS TO SCORE WHEN THE LEAD IS OUT THERE.

Was that an NBA Finals game or a WWE Vince McMahon scripted pro wrestling match? The all-Boston, all-the-time Mike Breen narrative coupled with the Celtics free-wheeling physical abuse of the Lakers was stunning in its simplicity.

Phil Jackson's refusal to call a time out when the Celtics went on a game-changing run must have been because he was powerless. Three minutes and eight possessions went by before he stopped the action.

Later, Boston's bench made the Lakers starters look like D-League wannabe's. All this while the Lakers' Game 3 hero was a non-factor in Game 4.

A new hero in every game. Vince McMahon must be loving it. David Stern has learned his lessons well. Throughout four games now, the ABC narrative starting with the pre-game show has been played out for 48 minutes, complete with up and down story arc.

It seems Khloe isn't the only one in her family with a so-called reality series that it is heavily scripted. It's a good thing the script calls for Lakers in 6.

Proof once again that a broken clock is right twice a day. Today the clock is Bill Plaschke:

http://bit.ly/axZ3Po

The Lakers are 2-2 in this series. Two victories they won. Two victories they gave away.

This will probably be the last year I watch pro basketball. I am over 50 years old and have been a Laker fan since I was 9 years old but the way the game is officiated or should I say not officiated today has taken the joy of watching the game away from me.
My breaking point was in game three when there was a jump ball at the Celtic end and we had the decided advantage. I think it was Pau vs. Rondo. Well, Jordan Farmar was in position and when the ball was tipped his way he was just run over by Paul Pierce and was then sandwiched by another Celtic. No foul, just brutality.
I don't know if anyone else noticed the play, it was one of many minor things you might have seen like, pushes in the back, whacks to the head, grabbing hands, holding jerseys, etc.
But this play just stuck in my mind because I saw what was going to happen ahead of time and it just made me sick when it actually did happen.
You know it seems the Lakers are trying to take the high road and not stoop to the Celtics level, but I believe if they don't retaliate, this series will be lost because I have lost faith in the system.
The beautiful game of basketball has evolved into Rugby with a hoop and basketball. Defenses are devised to cheat, hack, and maul a player out of the line of sight of a ref. It is also designed to continuoulsy foul and dare the referees to call a foul every time.
Of course it could be the simple case of the fix is on. I mean does anybody really believe that Tim Donaghy was the only official with ties to the mob?

Here's to my hope the Laker survive this farce, they are so much better, but sometimes there are greater forces working behind the scene pulling all the strings. I'm mad as hell and not gonna take it anymore.

Good Morning Lakers Fans,

Ok, well, not so good.
Lets see, tied at 2.
If I remember correctly, OKC series was tied at 2-2 and Lakers even got blown out at OKC.
And the Suns were tied 2-2 and the Lakers didn't look so hot in Phoenix.
Hey, that could have been a story line, 'Lakers cold in Phoenix'. Oh well, funny to me.

Hmm, it looks to me like the Lakers still have home court, so pressure is still on the C's big time.

Also looks to me like the Laker starters outplay the C's starters.
Wonder how well the C's bench will play on the road, big question mark there.

Nemesis Larry Bird said it was more important to win the odd numbered games, how true that is!!

As I said at the end of game 2, this feels like the old Pistons-Lakers series from 1988. Pistons were a tough, physical team and split the first 2 in LA.
The Lakers took one in Detroit and came back to LA down 3-2.
We all know how that turned out, Lakers won 2 nail biters in LA to win it all.
Smells similar.

Lakers take game 5 they get 2 chances at home to wrap it up.
Lakers lose game 5 they still get 2 chances at home to wrap it up.

This ain't over by a long shot, gotta keep the faith Laker fans.


During the game chat, I was jumped on several times for my vocal disappointment about what I was seeing. Funny thing. The beat reporters were all saying the same thing on their Twitter feeds when you sent me to check myself. Plaschke said it this morning:

http://bit.ly/axZ3Po

Brad Turner wrote about it this morning:

http://bit.ly/bCzx8n

Arash Markazi wrote about it:

http://bit.ly/arqSlE

Being a fan doesn't mean ignoring reality. If my frustration was overbearing last night, I apologize. But instead of preparing for Game 5, the Lakers should already be preparing for a parade. On Sunday, the Lakers can't just be the better team, they have to be the team most determined to prove it.

Joke of the Day

question:
How do you turn Big Baby Davis into Charles Barkley in his prime

answer:
Have Lamar Odom guard him.


It's increasingly clear the Lakers need Bynum and need him bad.
Gasol-Odom just are not a good enough match up inside.
Still kinda perplexed why PJ won't give Mbenga some minutes on Davis, the dude is just too big for Odom.
And man, the big giant head on that baby faced slobber puss filling the screen of a giant screen TV is enough to make a grown man puke.

Well, as I said last night, tough loss, but interesting that a handful of plays make the difference:

1. Robinson 3 pointer at the end of 1st quarter.
2. Garnett 2 pointer at the end of 2nd quarter.
3. Two missed technical FTs.
4. Two critical 4th quarter turnovers (Gasol and Kobe/Odom).

First three represent a 7 point swing. Regardless, Lakers outplayed, more due to exhaustion in my mind. Also outcoached, which I find inexcusable. No timeouts in critical situations and an unwillingness to change the mix with Mbenga or Powell.

I find it interesting that every time the Lakers started to gain some offensive momentum, there was a timeout by Rivers or a TV timeout. Doc knows how to break up the other team's flow, especially when his starters are struggling. Phil just refuses to do that. Hope it does not cost the Lakers the series.

And man, the big giant head on that baby faced slobber puss filling the screen of a giant screen TV is enough to make a grown man puke.
Posted by: Art - FL Laker Fan | June 11, 2010 at 05:12 AM

I hope that slobber puss continues on u. I am going to send Big Baby a carton full of Twinkies after he finished the Lakers off and becomes a legit heir to Charles Barkely School of Basketball.

BTW what happened to your Garden Snake.. lol garter snake mamba ..

"Master I got Big Head and Small Hands.."

oh btw wat do u guys think about Rondo jacking Kobe .. poking ball from him in late 4rth Quarter.. stealing the pass to close out the game.. Reminded me of Ariza stealing the ball from Melo last year... which made me add Melo to the list of chokers..

No reason to worry now. The real trouble starts when we fall down 3-2 which looks like a real possibility right now. And that's painful, but OK. We don't get this ring or any ring w/o walking through that big plume of fire that protects the hiway of champions.


Still, we could have had last night's game if we really wanted it.


And I don't want to ever hear how obnoxious LA players/fans are again, because watching this Boston team and its fans preening around like retarted peacocks makes me feel like biting into an apple with two gums full of rotten teeth. If I have to see Big Baby or Pierce's drastic overreactions anymore I'll puke.


So relax, shut up and play ball.


...As it were...


We'll be fine. And did anyone realy expect us to win last night? I called a 10-15 point loss before the tipoff, so I'll take a 7 point loss.


I really, really believe we'll take the final 2 games in LA like in 88 or 87 or whenever we beat the pistons in game 7 after escaping a close game 6.


But please chill with the chicken-little dramatics.


Love always,


Wes


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BEST 2 OUT OF 3 WORKS FOR ME – I’LL TAKE LAKERS & 2 GAMES AT HOME – BANDWAGON
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(01) GOD – ALL THAT IS - I am not worried. The Lakers were pacing. They are a much better team when they pick it up. I guarantee a win in game 5. why? because I am God and is a Laker fan!
(02) MR. NANO – PROPHET - Now the PROPHECY will be fulfilled. LAKERS IN 6.
(03) NEMAIA FALETOGO - OWNER - It's tied 2-2. No need to panic. Best 2 out of 3 now. Both teams want it. One team will get it. This is how it should be. This is exciting!!!
(04)
(05) JON K. – DRIVER - Brother, you've got to understand, these people who respond like that aren't fans. Yes, Lakers fans expect excellence and should expect excellence. But these people are chicken littles with no heart. They are incapable of having faith through adversity, which makes them very shallow people. Laker Nation is filled with True Fans. Most of them just don't vomit nonsense after a loss. Things will be fine. I expected that we'd go 2-1 in Boston. I think almost everyone who has any intelligence and perception expected this thing to go six games, and it will. Boston's a very good team and they hate us. And we hate them, as they deserve to be hated. And WE STILL GOT THIS!!!. It won't be easy, but WE DON’T WANT EASY. We WANT GREATNESS. And WE GOT IT .
(06) FAR SIDE, - RIDING SHOTGUN - "SHAME on Lakers fans I read the posts after game 4 loss and was rather taken aback by fans reactions."
(07) MAMBA24 – WORKS FOR ME!
(08) JUSTANOTHERMAMBAFAN – ME TOO!
(09) BENJAMIN - Best 2 out of a 3 and 2 of them on the Lakers floor. Sounds fine to me. I just want Bynum healthy. I believe a return to normal favors the Lakers, but we do need a bit more from Bynum than we had in game 5. It sounds like he will make that happen and he does get that extra rest. We win game 5. We are a better team and Phil is a good enough coach to make the necessary adjustments so the Celts don't win 2 in a row. Of this I'm certain. That means a 'ship. The only question is in 6 or 7 games. I say 6. In this emotional series, anyone can get going. When they do, it's our job to steal their energy and neutralize their momentum. At times this will mean some in game adjustments. Boston has had 2 dominant parts of 4th quarters against us. The rest of the series we had some domination or fairly even playing. Pretty reasonable to expect Boston would win one at home, yes? LET THEM HAVE THE BATTLE. I WANT TO WIN THE WAR!!!!!
(10) JAC - Im sure most of us expected this, no biggy. -Bynum's worth is underrated, we need him more than we let on. -People who say the lakers have played their best are stupid. Lakers havent put a good performance together for 48 min besides game 1, where we fully took advantage of the Celtics. -Poor execution in the 4th quarter is causing us to lose these 2 games. We could've been up 3-1 easily.
-Lakers are EASILY the more superior team, they just have to play like it. -Boy it feels good to take the series home to LA!! lakers defense looks amazing except for a few quarters here and there. I have to say I'm impressed with the defense, and how many missed layups/baskets the Celtics are getting in transition.
(11) ARIZONALAKERFAN - "We've seen the best Boston has to offer, and it's not very impressive." Is impressive worth extra pts? Nope. They got the W. Period. Accept that Celtics are going to pack the paint, and accept that there is no such thing as a defensive 3 call in the Finals. That is their D strategy. It worked in 2008. It worked tonight. They'll keep doing it until we force them to change by either going inside to get lots
(12) LUDWIG - Celtic trolls are in absolute denial -- and some novice Lakers fans are just not educated basketball fans -- and that is the only reason why some people are going around saying game 5 is a must-win for the Lakers. IT CLEARLY IS NOT!!! The Lakers stole home court advantage back by taking game 3, which means that all the pressure in the world will be on the Celtics to win game 5. If they lose game 5, it's over. If Lakers lose game 5, it's not over, not by a long shot. Lakers go home and would most certainly win game 6, and the whole thing would come down to game 7, which the Lakers would win.
(13) LAKERLADY - With a full two days before Game 5 and Drew getting some rest and treatment on that knee, should be enough for them to make some more 'adjustments' and get another W in Beantown.
(14) APPOLO C. VERMONT - The Celts won the paint tonight bec Andrew was not there..They attacked the paint early on the game just to see how Drew would react, we managed to control that until the beginning of the 2nd half when Andrew did not come back to start. They continued to attack the lane and that was the key, Phil did not change his personnel because he thought it still manageable to win. We had a chance to win it but the breaks of the game did not favor us. I do not want to cite the ref thing, let us man enough to accept this defeat. We are not like the trolls, Doc rivers, and The Celts owners who need to whine and cry to win the favor of Stern and the refs. We need Andrew in games to come, also we need Mbenga to play some 5-10 mins , it could make a difference. The game is tied, and if you observed how the series is being played we are in control. This team knows how to handle adversity...let us trust them...Phil may slide once in a while but he always comes back with a bang, same as Odom and Artest..just wait and see...Go Lakers....
(15) LAKERS IN SIX - The Lakers still have this series under control. Adjustments will be made to fill Bynum's shoes, if necessary, and the Lakers will control Boston's fire early. They've got 2 days off and they got the Zen master.
(16) LET’S GO L’S - Folks, both these teams have expended so much energy on both ends thus far...Believe me, the Lakers have the Celtics attention despite their victory over LA...Like I said, a whole lot more ball to play. Like I always say, overcoming ADVERSITY is what makes our team SPECIAL...Heck, reaching the Finals for 3 straight years is awesome in itself...I expect more appearances in the near future, and more RINGS. Laker pride through ALL and ANY ADVERSITY!
(17) RICK FRIEDMAN - Was that an NBA Finals game or a WWE Vince McMahon scripted pro wrestling match? The all-Boston, all-the-time Mike Breen narrative coupled with the Celtics free-wheeling physical abuse of the Lakers was stunning in its simplicity. A new hero in every game. Vince McMahon must be loving it. David Stern has learned his lessons well. Throughout four games now, the ABC narrative starting with the pre-game show has been played out for 48 minutes, complete with up and down story arc. It seems Khloe isn't the only one in her family with a so-called reality series that it is heavily scripted. It's a good thing the script calls for Lakers in 6.
(18) YOU EVER NOTICE - This You know it seems the Lakers are trying to take the high road and not stoop to the Celtics level, but I believe if they don't retaliate, this series will be lost because I have lost faith in the system. The beautiful game of basketball has evolved into Rugby with a hoop and basketball. Defenses are devised to cheat, hack, and maul a player out of the line of sight of a ref. It is also designed to continuoulsy foul and dare the referees to call a foul every time. Of course it could be the simple case of the fix is on. I mean does anybody really believe that Tim Donaghy was the only official with ties to the mob? Here's to my hope the Laker survive this farce, they are so much better, but sometimes there are greater forces working behind the scene pulling all the strings. I'm mad as hell and not gonna take it anymore.
(19) ART-FL LAKERS FANS - Ok, well, not so good. Lets see, tied at 2. If I remember correctly, OKC series was tied at 2-2 and Lakers even got blown out at OKC. And the Suns were tied 2-2 and the Lakers didn't look so hot in Phoenix. Hey, that could have been a story line, 'Lakers cold in Phoenix'. Oh well, funny to me. Hmm, it looks to me like the Lakers still have home court, so pressure is still on the C's big time. As I said at the end of game 2, this feels like the old Pistons-Lakers series from 1988. Pistons were a tough, physical team and split the first 2 in LA. The Lakers took one in Detroit and came back to LA down 3-2. We all know how that turned out, Lakers won 2 nail biters in LA to win it all. smells similar. Lakers take game 5 they get 2 chances at home to wrap it up. Lakers lose game 5 they still get 2 chances at home to wrap it up. This ain't over by a long shot, gotta keep the faith Laker fans.
(20) FAITH - You win some, you lose some. We lost this one. Just lost it. It was ours for the taking but too much bipolar duo, not enough Bynum. Let's bounce back in style with a 3-2 win on Sunday. Go Lakers!
(21) MAYOR OF KOBE TOWN - Grats to the NBA on extending the series so they can make more $$. NBA continues to let the refs decide games instead of the players. What was a clear offensive foul on PP was called a block, and that pretty much ended the game. Nate and Baby were nice pick-me-ups for the C's, but had Ray and Baby been given even half the fouls they earned there never would've been a 4th quarter run. Refs give the game away, congrats NBA on your extra income. Celtics have no chance in this series. They barely win when they win, and it always takes extraneous circumstances. Lakers haven't played anywhere near a good game yet, and still have been in control for 80% of the time. Time to get your glasses of Guiness ready Boston, you're gonna need a lot of beers to cry in once this is over.
(22) JETTE - If you are a true Lakers fan and you are not upset of this loss then you are a fan of the players only and not the team. I love LO but I love my Lakers more. If any player plays like crap I will criticize not because I am hating on them. Where is the heart? Beaten by the bench??? Disgusting....I would take a tough loss if I saw a good effort but this loss is ugly. So much so of the revenge of 2008! If you go for revenge you go for the kill, no mercy, rambo style attack and annihilation. Oh, stop whining about the refs. Great teams win despite of the refs. Now they have given the Celts confidence. It's 2-2 and it is now a toss up. With Bynum being more hurt, the Lakers are making it difficult for themselves. With that rant, I still say WE GOT THIS!
(23) WINTON DUPRE - We beat ourselves tonight, but I believe we got game 5
(24) PEACE - Expect a great effort from Boston in Game 5. How LA responds will determine the series. Give credit to the C's, they played a gritty game.
(25) G IN DC(AKA GDUB) - The team makes it to its 3rd consecutive finals and some of you guys are callin' for the GM to be fired and players to be traded...hilarious! I guess it's not possible for LO or even the Black Mamba to have bad games...after all they're only robots who should never fail I guess.(LOL) C'mon y'all...now honestly...did you REALLY think that they'd let the Cs lose 2 in a row in the 'Gah-den'???
(26) Phanb - that was a great game... Ed Rush being in the bag, but I'm sooo pleased with the Lakers not backing down Rondo = Punk... how the NBA condones his actions is just ridiculous I actually called all the ref'ing crews which is hilarious, cos next up is Joey Crawford, and then it's back to Salvatorre for game 6 to end it... NBA definitely has to stop with the fixing, it's soooooo obvious to the normal viewer example - Farmar gets called for a loose ball fool on Rondo, then the exact same thing happens with Farmar & Allen ending with Farmar on the ground... no call LOL pure stupidity. Guys c'mon, like you didn't expect this... the NBA doesn't want an easy series win... LOL just take the positives even though they didn't win... they did not give up, just like in game 2... Refs in the bag... Kobe still steps in for a charge but gets called for a block... Lakers played hard in the face of total adversity AGAIN 2008 they would have let that be a blow out Similar situation is 2008 and 2004, refs let the home team get away with a lot of moving screens and holding... Lakers crumbled and got blown out in both series when they lost... This Laker team is way tougher... they made both FIXED games come down to the wire, where it was a totally evident blown call that swung it one way Lakers in 6, Gold confetti streaming down... enjoy the ride boys... Champions are made not born
(27) TEAMN - Lakers will win Game 5.
(28) EJK - Tough loss tonight, but rest assured that the Lakers will bounce back and take Game 5. Waiting until Sunday is the hard part...
(29) HMRHED - Hey Boston. If you have to rely on a cave troll and a cross-eyed mongrol to best the L's, I'll revise my prediction to L's in 6 not 7. Lol.
(30) EDWIN GUECO - Lakers will make some adjustments, we'll get them on Sunday. If Celtics will just bank on their second team to salvage a win, then it could be a lost cause. By Sunday, Drew can play and I believe Pau will put a little spice in his Gasoup.
(31) MTI312 What can you do, the Celtics played like they didn't want to lose tonight and the Lakers played like they are pacing. So that's a positive because there is no way Boston can sustain this intensity, they gave it all out tonight and the Lakers didn't . I am expecting a Lakers win in game 5. It's a lock.
(32) HOGAN - Reading this board cracks me up. I bet one of the posters is Paul Pierce. Talk about over reacting. After each of the two Celtic wins all I hear is how the series in the bag. Give me a break. We have a tie ballgame and while biased, my impression is that the Lakers look a hell of a lot better in their two losses than the Celtics did.The Lakers are not in a must win on Sunday. They very well may win, but the pressure is on the Celtics still. We have home court and I expect that we will keep it.
(33) ICE - Lakers will win on Sunday. LA in 6. Say bye to the front-running trolls because this is the last time we'll see their sorry asses on this blog.
(34) MAGIC PHIL - Going home... LET'S GO LAKERS! If we stop Allen's 3 points, they're done! Good luck everyone. Cheers.

I sense a lot of fear masked by denial in these comments. Can't wait to read after game 5, with the Celtics up 3-2.

Rick Friedman,

Having not been on the game chat, I'm curious what you saw last night? As for me, I had high hopes that the Lakers offense would execute a little better at key times in the first half and 3rd quarter -- I thought the game was there for the taking. Unfortunately seems like a variety of interesting little factors all led to the loss.

“I’m not going to put it on my shoulders to win or lose the game,” Odom said. “We have to play together as a team.”
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Lamar, umm, oh brother.

RANDOM THOUGHTS AS I GET OVER THIS RECENT LAKER LOSS

* I sometimes wonder if the emotional and physical toll of being a Laker fan is worth it. Losses like this one make me angry, irritable, anxious. Nothing seems right for a spell, not things I'm familiar with in everyday life. The little things that nag at me become more pronounced. My whole disposition is affected, and co-workers and loved ones pay a price for my mood.

* There is nothing more frustrating than lost opportunity. I don't mind getting straight out beaten, like in 2008, because sometimes you're just not up to par. But this Laker team is BETTER than this Boston team, and the Boston team knows it. Everybody does. How incredibly frustrating it is for the Lakers to lose to an inferior team, when revenge is at stake, in the NBA Finals.

* Can you imagine the gloating, smack talking, and misery we fans will have to endure from Boston and the anti-Laker media if our Lakers let us down? At least Kobe has a mansion, millions of dollars, and the beautifully plump Vanessa to go home to.

* Having Lamar Odom on your team is like being in a bad relationship. You're bound by great memories of romantic dates, physical and emotional intimacy, fun times, but the arguing, the fighting, the cheating, the letdowns overshadow it all, and so you are confused and torn in the worst way. You feel like you need to continue on, but deep inside, you know that if you continue, you will be miserable. This is what Lamar is to us fans; 90% pain bound by 10% emotional obligation.

* I wonder if the Lakers know how much they hurt us fans when they play like rabbit poop

* Lamar Odom...you are from the streets, man. You know how this works. You remember how it is. I was there, too, when I was younger. You don't get punked by a Glen Davis, letting that fat piece of s**t salivate in celebrating his dominance over you. You got to have heart, man. You can't let that happen.

* Hustle plays, getting after those loose balls, securing rebounds...no amount of coaching can impact that. This is the part of basketball that no one really discusses, but is extremely important. The Lakers are losing in this regard.

* Pau Gasol, you are my series MVP, but please, do not let the horror of 2008 revisit you. You proved your mental fortitude; do not slip back into the confused, timid player that missed easy shots and fumbled rebounds just because a Celtic was hound dogging on the court and millions of their misguided fans were yelling profanities. We don't know if Bynum will be back, and Kobe is struggling...you must rise to the occasion NOW, and I have faith in you.

* Artest, I know you are trying to find your shot, but wait until you get back to Staples, where the angles and feel of the court are more familiar to you. We need your continued defensive effort, not scoring.

* Lamar, don't get down on yourself if your shooting isn't there. Shooting takes spontaneous muscle memory, which means being locked in. Sometimes, that just doesn't happen for a player. But rebounding and defense doesn't require complex cognitive alignment. It just requires effort. If your shot isn't there, allow your defense and rebounding to compensate.

* Farmar, you are a NBA point guard, you must secure the ball. Too many key turnovers for you.

* Bynum, we need you. You may never get to this point again, do not assume so. I know you are in pain. I once walked the entire Las Vegas strip in 90+ degree whether, with painful blisters on both my feet, just to impress a gorgeous, physically fit girl I had invited there on a weekend date. I made it, painfully and impressively, without her knowing of my intense misery. And I was, ahem....thoroughly rewarded thereafter. Play through the pain and misery. We need you.

* Kobe Bryant - your legacy is at stake. You talk a big game, but you have failed to back it up. You failed in 2004, you failed in 2008, and you are failing now. You are the Laker heart and soul, the best player in the NBA. You want to be as great as Micheal Jordan, who one 6 championships? Here is your chance for number 5...so what the hell are you going to do about it?

* If the Lakers lose (again) this Finals series to this particular inferior Boston team, then the Lakers, in the Kobe Bryant Era, will never recover, and neither will most of us fans. Period. Yes, the stakes are that high.

* If any Laker is out there reading all this, please know, millions of your fans, strangers from all over the world, millions of us who will never know your fame and fortune are aligning our collective hopes and dreams within the wakes of your efforts out there. You are our champions. Play for yourselves, yes, but play for us, too. Don't forget us...


Lakers had higher shooting % and higher 3 point shooting %.

As usual, the team with fewer turnovers and most rebounds won the game.
The key to this series is going to be rebounds and turnovers.

Lakers can fix this.

We played our WORST PLAYOFF game in two years without Bynum and only lost by seven points in thier house. I really did think I was watching wild animals in a zoo. With all the chest pounding floor slapping and yapping. If I was a Celtic fan I would be appalled at how my team presented themselves. Of course that starts at the top with WHINY RIVERS. Our team CONTROLS their emotions with class and we will win in 6. GO LAKERS!!!

From a strict numbers standpoint (2-2), I'm not surprised. I pretty much knew after game 2 that this was coming back to LA - sucks because the Lakers are good enough to win this in 5 or less... and that's the part I don't like.

Seriously, I haven't been that angry since game 4 in Phoenix, and I mean absolutely effing pissed.

Big Baby wants to do an impersonation of incredible hulk at mid court... go ahead, you're just inciting the real hulk. Don't make Kobe angry, you wouldn't like him when he's angry.

I have a feeling the whole team is angry

It's not going to be easy. Never thought it would be.

Go Lake Show!

Why are people talking about the Lakers losing the series?

Lakers, even with spotty play, have been in control of the series the whole way.

the most scary nightmare for all of us, lakers fan, is that by losing game four is that allen will recover from his shooting slump and burn the lakers again. i hope this will not happen. GO LAKERS!!!

After 4 games, it has become crystal clear...
1. No bench support, no way Lakers will win. It all went down to bench depth. That was the difference...
2. With or without Bynum, if the Lakers don't control the boards, Lakers will lose...
3. That strategy to involve everyone before Kobe takes over just doesn't cut it anymore. It works only if the rest of the team can deliver. And they DID NOT in game 4. Kobe ended up carrying the team on his shoulders. He can deliver but that's just half of the job. The rest of the team must defend on the other side. If they can't, what's the use of Kobe???...
4. Whoever wins game 5 will be the champs.

I could remember in my sleep Allen was hacking Fish right in front of the ref whose whistle was a green candy so he must have swallowed it, and that was not the only time that he fouled Fish. I guess all that Rivers crying paid off. On a different note, LO was missing again, the Lakers need him especially he usually replaced Bynum. The 2 days off should help Bynum but they must play with an all-out effort. GO LAKERS!!!

i use this blog as a sounding board to express my emotions after a laker win or loss.. either venting after a loss in frustration or rejoicing after a win.. people should not misconstrue this as giving up on my team..

for anyone that understands basketball if you saw last nites game the turning point was big baby.. he changed the tide of the game... lakers had control of the entire game (even with the BS referring) and had a great chance to put this series away... that is whats most frustrating.. that is why i put the onus on phil, odom, and whoever made the decision to sit bynum...

phil couldve adjusted...
odom couldve fought back
bynum couldve played..

i'm sure the coaching staff has good reasons for benching bynum.. if it was me i wouldve gone for the kill last nite... win or lose last night bynum still has 2 days off... now we're still tied 2-2 with homecourt but its 2-3-2 and celtics have the next one at home (which could be the most pivotal game again)... now lakers must win the next one again and its nervous time all over again... it didnt have to come to this.

Good game last night. the Celtics have yet to put together a total game and it's tied 2-2. I can't wait until that happens. The Minn/LA Lakers got 60% of their points from 2 guys. That is your team in a nutshell. How do you expect to win. You should build a bench for next year.

Face it you bark but you dont bite

Need to give Odom all the candies he wants to boost his energy , that way he will play with passion and intensity instead of just going through the motion. Raising 1 arm and not standing your ground won't stop anyone.

why are the Laker fans panicking after game 4. It's one loss. Bynum's absence in the 2nd half caught us off guard. If he's in there big baby (thats a stupid nickname by the way) doesn't get those shots off. We need to make adjustments to win game 5 if Bynum can only give a few good minutes. Either Josh Powell or D.J. Mbenga need to come in to play defense on their bigs. Should've put Artest on baby last night. He's strong enough to deal with him. Series is tied 2-2 and people are panicking. We are fine. We just need to play extremely hard in game 5. Coach Jackson will make adjustments and motivate the team to play their best game The celtics are over there celebrating like they won the title already. Lakers will win the next 2 games. Just wait and see.

Lakers took 1 in boston and goin to get 2. home court seems to be a nonfactor so far in this series but the Lakes took it back. c's knew if they went down 3-1 it was over! it will be about which team adjust better to good defenses. c's tooks advantage of bynum's absence. period. not so hard to believe they would attack his injury cuz their just a grimey team. everyone shoved l.o. around. Game 5 Lakes push back. And u no this!

What is with all the panic?

Phil Let Mbenga in so he could KNock the Fck out of GLen Davis. He makes an ugly face everytime he makes a shot. so angry just like Robinson, Perkins, Garnott, Pierce. No class.

Phil please give Dj Mbenga a few minutes to match up against Big Baby. You have got to try it in game 5 before it is too late and you find yourself down 3-2. The LO/Big Baby match up is killing us. Mbenga will go up after EVERY shot to block it, plus he'll provide a big body in the middle to slow down some of the Nate Robinson's penetration!!!!! Give us Mbenga!!! GIVE US FREEEE!!!!!

yello, "i use this blog as a sounding board to express my emotions after a laker win or loss.. either venting after a loss in frustration or rejoicing after a win.. people should not misconstrue this as giving up on my team."

Kudos for reminding all of us to not jump to rash conclusions about the thoughts of another blogger.

A poster above associated my name and that of about 20 others with the phrase "BANDWAGON". It did not seem (interpretation of his entry is not clear to me) that he was saying I was a B-wagoner, but others have charged that. In my case, nothing is further from the truth. I date back to the inaugural 1961 season. 50 years of ups and down. I have witnessed 14 of the 15 Lakers' Finals failures, 8 (of the 9 total) administered by the Celtics. If I was on a wagon, I would be a Celtics fan!

I am highly charged about this series one special reason: utter disdain for this group of Celtics players. A childhood and adolescence of losses to the Celtics hurt badly, but it was clear even to young eyes that Russell and Co. were something special. And they were 100% class, even if their coach wasn't. But this BOS team represents the Dark Side of the 60's C's. Name one starter or bench regular, outside of Rajon (whose humility and reserved demeanor are so welcome), who is a not jerk while on the floor? KG, PP? Not in 100 reincarnations. Ray? Smirking arrogance when he is hot. Brink of suspension Perkins? The perfect moniker Big Baby? In your face Nate? (BTW, where was that bravado in NYC?) All-time T-man Sheed? (OK, I'll give you T. Allen, maybe.) It is surprising that this squad was assembled by Danny "Figure Biting" Ainge? If there was ever a team that deserved a First Loser Trophy, it's these Celtics. In fact, I might want this Celtics team to LOSE more than I want the Lakers to win.

So You Ever Notice, I think that I might share your longing for basketball instead of street ball, a sad trend that started in an orchestrated fashion with the Bad Boys and followed later by other squads. Recall the beauty of the play of 1977 Trailblazers?

its amazing how certain people from different fan bases will accuse the team they are facing of many things that are not true. For example, "ray is a jerk on the floor because he smirks after hitting 7 threes in a row." First of all id love for you to hit 7 threes ina row and not have any type of reaction.. man i hate idiots. What is ray supposed to do hang is head? Please stop pretending we dont see kobe stick his jaw out or lick his lips after he does something good, or that he didnt yell at commentators "HE CANT GAURD ME, HE CANT GAURD ME" in reference to shane battier. Yeah, real likable. Or Odom Mr Inconsistent but when he makes a few quick baskets (2008) finals hes got his tongue flailing out of his mouth just like big baby.. The fact of the matter is, as much as a laker fan sees celtic antics as a huge negative, to a celtic fan they are a huge positive. And a celtic fan sees the same thing in all lakers.. how can you like a guy who in the postgame after a loss when asked about being defended by tony allen says 'when push comes to shove i can get a basket' ? cocky mother.. But just realize we dont like your players and you dont like ours, you dont have to spout off about how celtic players are bad people.. grow up they are just playin the game

game 5 will be huge, to me its almost a given that whoever wins game 5 will win the series, but you never know. I think you guys will probably have problems inside as you did last night due to andrew being hurt.. from a celtics fan perspective he looks about as productive as .. well anything thats 7 feet tall and cant move. I think a lot of you are saying how kobe did great last night, saying he was very productive.. well 33 points is good, but 7 turnovers almost all of which were scored off of.. might as well make that 19 points not 33. I also think its interesting when i can look back and reflect on the game once its over, on how many BAD shots kobe takes.. i mean not only are they forced jumpers, which he CAN make, but it really screws with the flow of the lakers offense, and you could see how stagnant it was down the stretch because of him

Posted by: Tim-4-Show

Why are people talking about the Lakers losing the series?
Lakers, even with spotty play, have been in control of the series the whole way.
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For one, if it wasn't for some impromtu pick & rolls (no thanks to Phil) by Kobe and Fish in game three, this series would be 3-1 Celtics.

Remember, just because the Lakers have been up on the scoreboard for most of the series you can't justify the statement that they were in control. This is a fatal error as far as interpreting what is really going on.

How many times in the regular season would the Lakers fall behind for most of the game only to come back to win in the fourth quarter. Would you say these teams were in control of the game also? Or were the Lakers playing possum and not turning it on until it was necessary.

Does anyone see a correlation?

Coach Jackson is brain dead. He has worn out Kobe and Pau. Kobe seems like he has only been thinking about some white rump to hump again.

Celtics are a T E A M. Refreshing as hell in todays NBA.

Lakers have a whiney, pouty, cry baby in bryant and an excellent center.


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