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Ron Artest expresses amusement over brother's arguments with Trevor Ariza via Twitter

Lakers forward Ron Artest vowed not to post again on Twitter until the season ends, fearing that doing so would  serve as a distraction during the Lakers' playoff run. He would know. Just two weeks ago, Artest found himself in a tight spot after lamenting via Twitter the fact Phil Jackson publicly had  criticized his three-point shooting before consulting him first, though Jackson stated then he had already talked to Artest directly about his shooting.

However, Artest's brother, Daniel, hasn't followed Ron's lead. Daniel has never shied away from tweeting and has often given his two cents, such as his suggesting Cleveland would've been a better fit for Ron, or that Ron should've been named to the NBA  all-defensive team, or, lately, that Ron served as the better end of the free-agent exchange in which Artest went to the Lakers and Trevor Ariza to Houston last summer.

Of course, the latter topic has been nothing new and has been annoyingly regurgitated with a predictable pendulum swing. When Artest has a lock-down defensive performance or suddenly shoots well, the Lakers are deemed to have benefited. When Artest has an off defensive night or a poor shooting stretch, the Lakers are said to be worse off. Well, Daniel's contention spurred Ariza to get in a spat with him on Twitter, an event that Ron could only express amusement over.

"What's going on with the world?" Artest said, laughing.

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How do you keep yourself focused on the task at hand? By not paying attention to Ron's Tweeter....

“You have to understand what you’re playing for,” Gasol said. “It’s the Western Conference Finals, two wins away from the Finals. That’s how you do it. That’s how you keep yourself relaxed, confident, anything because every game is huge.

“You don’t want to give them confidence or momentum. That’s how you keep your head into it.”

Fatty,

I would rather go to the gym and practice 1,000 shots per day whether it's Gasol or Artest, sot hey won't miss any FT's. Treat the first two games as a lucky breaks for the lakers, well that luck may not extend in the Valley of the Suns where 'migra' cheerleaders will not be around lol! Lakers are on their on, they should focus on two more games while JB will be wishing to have at least one more game back to Staples in order to raise the luxury taxes paid for Sasha and Walton.

In Game 3 & 4, Suns will go for physical game, 3 pts cavalcade and eliminate Pau through foul baits. That is their only chance to win one game or get even. Another possibility, Lakers will be too over confident and go back to their lackadaisical ways of going for 3's and complacent to just stay behind the Suns throughout the game till the last second. It happened during the season and that how the Celtics won at Staples.

Edwin

I think the Suns can win with just a cold shooting game from the Lakers. The Lakers have not proved to me they can stop the Suns from scoring.

Put thos etwo together and the Suns win a game, but not the series.

My worry? Will Ron's tweeter problem cause the Lakers to lose focus?

It sounds like Daniel Artest is living off of his brother's fame and fortune. Sad. He should really start living his own life and doing his own thing.

It sounds like Daniel Artest is living off of his brother's fame and fortune. Sad. He should really start living his own life and doing his own thing.

Posted by: EJK | May 21, 2010 at 07:59 PM

YOU GOT IT!!!!

If idle minds are the Devil's workshop, on this the third day with no game to watch or talk about, this board is absolutely satanic. We have a thread about Ron Artests's BROTHER, posts from "NBA players," and we've traded everyone except Kobe without waiting for the off-season.

I, myself, have suffered from a similar syndrome. I noticed this morning I hadn't updated my Facebook status since game day. Being an incurable Lakerholic, as we all seem to be, is clearly a blessing and a curse. We all know the blessings and wouldn't trade them for anything, but these three days without a game leave us as tortured as a heroin addict without a fix. We become either insane, paralyzed, or both.

I refuse to take the trade machine out of mothballs. If 40-year old Brett Farve can put himself through ankle surgery at 40 years old to play another season, maybe we should wait until the off-season to decide whether to send Fisher to the glue factory. The other night, Faith could barely contain herself cursing out Farmar, but after the game Kobe and a bunch of sportswriters credited Jordan with turning the game around. Let's see what Bynum does for the rest of the off-season before we declare him a bust and not a beast.

Tomorrow, we can each line up for a paper cup of methadone and watch Game 3 of the ECF. Our dealer will be back on Sunday with a freshly made rock of the good stuff so we can inject what's left of our veins with a hard core Lakers fix.

Come summer when the methadone clinic is closed and our dealer goes on hiatus, we can pull out the trade machine while we use up our cottons before complete madness sets in until October.

Ariza may have some 2nd thoughts of his decision of leaving the Lakers for MLE with the Rockets. Like Ron Turiaf, they could not wait for some other opportunities and grabbed the nearest bacon available. Next year, RT's contract will be expiring, I don't think he would get any lucrative contract with what he has done for GS in the last three years, the most is extension with a pay cut. In the case of Ariza, he secured his 5 years and four years to go but Rockets will be expecting a lot from him while the Lakers he accumulate rings, work less in the 2nd unit especially if Artest was signed here and his value increases over time. That is what I have said before on young players, think of your value in the long run than just grab whatever huge contract available. Like if you are investing in the stocks, this is the best time to shop around on best values and think of the dividends these stocks will yiel that will take care of your retirement. The same with Lakers, go with what Fox did, sacrifice the initial years and focus on what works even in post basketball years. He is now a movie actor, can we say that to Chris Bosh? he could take place the role of the late Jack Palance. lol!

Well, RonRon Artest is 6 wins away from his dream Championship. He will beat Barkley, Malone, Lebronz, Bosh, JO, Boozer, KMart, Melo, Nash....and many more. RonRon has settled down in Hollywood, he is at peace and loves the limelight even it's just on twitter of playing karioke with Filipino fans during the preseason. He has been accepted in this blog, played a wonderful role of a 2nd fiddle to Kobe and performed the stopper against the best player in the opposing team. It is a dream come true for the Lakers and an improvement made in the off season. We should continue re-seeding the team with improvements. We may have our pets among players and pet peeves as well but has to be realistic on what competition brings. If other things are getting younger, Lakers cannot go on for relying with veterans even if their contracts are already expiring. Learn from the mistakes in signing Walton for 6 years instead of 3. We should not shy away from trades as long as we get something of value in return, that's the story of Artest vs. Ariza.

I guess I missed out on a lot of interesting trade proposals involving Bosh. While it's a tough call, I don't think I'd trade Drew for him.

Yes, Bosh is a perennial All-Star and probably a safer long-term investment. But Drew is a true center and - assuming he stays healthy - will be an All-Star center for years to come. I just don't think getting another highly skilled PF is worth it.

The only player I'd sign-and-trade Drew for in a heartbeat is LBJ. If we're talking D-Wade, I'd have to give it some thought before pulling the trigger, but I'd probably send Drew packing. I don't see anyone else on the free agent list who makes us better in both the short and long term.

Rick, after a day spent doing other stuff, I'm just now getting a chance to catch up on blog reading. I clicked on this thread first and after reading your post, I don;t think I'll go on to the other threads. All the trade suggestions would drive me nuts too. You're right, save it all for the jonesy summer.

You can't teach height.

Plus Socks is multi-talented and has very soft hands.

He's got a lot of heart and wants to win.

Why trade him again?

Re the Artest v. Ariza debate

I don't think there's any doubt that we'd be sitting where we are now with Ariza in the fold. Without having had to face Melo, Artest's value will only be fully proven when we play Boston. That's the difference. Ron will make Paula's life a lot more difficult than Trevor would have.

Artest stopped Durant, don't forget...

HOOP REALITIES 3.0
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(1) EVERYBODY PLAYS INSIDE-OUT BASKETBALL. The difference is how they do it. Most teams, like the Suns and the Celtics, do it with dribble penetration, forcing defenses to collapse and double. The Lakers do it with passing and cutting in the Triangle Offense and posting up smaller defenders. The goal of every offense is penetration by dribbling or passing to force opposing defenses to rotate.
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(2) BEST DEFENSE IS TO FORCE NON-PAINT 2’S. Preventing 3-point shots and points in the paint has become the dominant strategy of every NBA defense today as offenses continue to focus on high percentage points in the paint and momentum changing shots from beyond the 3-point line. Forcing non-paint 2’s is the logical defensive strategy against teams playing inside out basketball.
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(3) GREAT TEAMS NEED GREAT COMPETITION. There is a reason why Magic Johnson and Larry Bird and the 80’s Lakers and Celtics were such great players and teams. They had great competitors and great battles that brought out their greatness. That’s why I am excited that the Lakers and Celtics are on a collision course to meet in this year’s Finals. Celtics will bring out the Lakers greatness.
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(4) LAKERS ARE NOT GOING TO TRADE BYNUM. There is no other player in the league, including Dwight Howard, whose is a better fit to complement the other players on the team. Drew provides the low post power, size, toughness, and intimidating physicality the Lakers need to dominate. In the end, he is the difference between maybe winning championships and becoming another Lakers dynasty.
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TOM

Think I'd move Drew for any of the following:

LeBron
D-Williams
D-Wade
C-Paul
Bosh,

preferably Paul, Williams or Wade.

LT,

I hear what you are saying, but for three years everyone has said IF Drew would do this or that and stay healthy, HE'D be----But none of those things have happened. We've seen flashes, but we need more than 1 great game out of 5 out of the 40 or 50 he's played each year.

Think I'd move Drew for any of the following:

LeBron
D-Williams
D-Wade
C-Paul
Bosh,

preferably Paul, Williams or Wade.

Posted by: D(erek)J(eter) | May 21, 2010 at 09:37 PM

I would be shocked if Drew's trade value matches anyone on this list. I think his injury history makes him virtually untradeable especially if it's for a Dream Teamer.

that exchange between bynum and oden in the previous thread.

HAHAHA.. i'm still chuckling.. thats some serious comedy.

Re: trade talk, I tend to think of the Lakers roster in a results-based way. We're two games away from the finals, won the finals last year, were in the finals the year before. I'm pretty much okay with our guys.

Bynum is trade bait and a trade for Bosh with be one made in heaven for the Lakers. Bynum is injury prone and it takes him months even a year to recover from the injury. He has been a ZERO during the playoffs. His value to the Lakers is zero. With Lamar, Kobe and Paul the team makes up for the absence of Bynum. Bynum has no desire, is not aggressive and plays like a kid on the court. He is more interested in videos during the off season. I hope the trades talks begin and get a movement to laker Management to get Bynum traded for Bosh.

Icelaker - "I think his injury history makes him virtually untradeable"...

I think every GM in the league would disagree with you. Bynum is always on wish lists, despite his injuries.

"Why trade him again?

Posted by: justanothermambafan | May 21, 2010 at 09:13 PM "

Why trade Norm Nixon for Byron Scott even though Storming Norman (not the 91 Norman) was instrumental in the 1980 and 1982 finals for a rookie granted the 4th overall pick but a the leading scorer in the 1982 playoffs for a mere rookie??

Simple you want to get better.

justa,

Heart? THIS is real heart. The difference between being spoonfed for your points by a top 10 player of all time and basically leading your team when down 0-2.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kVsWuHblBwU

I was at that game and when Shaq did that wow did the Staples Center actually erupt.

>>>Ariza may have some 2nd thoughts of his decision of leaving the Lakers for
>>> MLE with the Rockets.

It's all about his agent.

David Lee is a greedy pig agent who played hardball with Bynum with the Lakers, because he knows the Lakers have no cap space and would pay him a ton of money. The Lakers did hold out and only managed to overpay a little bit - Bynum's no max contract and he didn't get one.

But then Lee tried again playing hardball with the Lakers on Ariza. Mitch offered his agent the MLE and Lee said no way, so Mitch called Ron Artest and offered him the MLE. Right then the two guys made it clear who was more interested in earning more money and who was more interested in winning championships.

You know, it's hard for me to imagine what it's like, since I'll never make anywhere near that kind of money. In fact one year of Trevor or Ron's salary is more than I'll earn in my entire life.

But if I was someone like LeBron or Bosh and I already had 10s of millions of dollars and I was going to make 10s of millions more regardless of where I went, I'd blow off the max contract and just go to the team where I could win the most championships.

When you really get down to it, what's the big difference between earning 100 million in your life and earning 250 million? It's not like your quality of life is going to get THAT much better with the extra cash. But you can bet your life that your quality of life is going to be that much better with 5 or 6 championship rings.

The truth of the matter is that almost every player - LeBron, Wade, Bosh, whoever - is about the MONEY first. And if maybe they can get a championship or two as well, but not have to sacrifice any money to get it, then that's okay. Kobe too. You notice Kobe didn't re-sign for 10 million a season to give Buss some wiggle room to sign more players. Of course, with the team already at championship level & with Buss willing to give him whatever he wants, Kobe didn't have to.

Ron Artest is one of the few exceptions. Much respect for that. He probably could have made more like 8 to 10 million per with some other team. But he knew where the best player was, the best coach was, and the best shot at a ring was. He'll have earned his first ring in another month or so, and he'll still have plenty of money (though not as much as LeBronze).

Rick Fox was another.

If LeBron wanted more rings than any player in history, he could sign for the MLE with either the Lakers or Celtics this summer and it would almost guarantee they'd be the favorite for at least 5 years. They'd have a near lock.

And it would get the Lakers their starting PG for a really cheap price.

Can you imagine how devastating a lineup of LeBron, Kobe, Artest, Gasol, and Bynum would be on both ends of the court? Just scary good. It would arguably be the best Laker starting lineup of all time.

And we wouldn't have to hear DFish whine all over the blog all the time.

But it's money first, championships second for Bronny.

By the way,

The starting value for those max contracts for Bosh, LeBron, Wade, et al. is not 20 million. Though they'll average more than 20 million a year, the first year salary will be 30% of the salary cap, so probably in the neighborhood of 17 million, with 8% (or 10% raises every year).

so when you're thinking of a Bosh for Bynum trade, if the Lakers managed to pawn off Luke in the deal, then they'd be paying about two million dollars less per year for Bosh than for Bynum + Luke.

Or even a Bosh for Bynum + Sasha deal means that the Lakers would only pay a couple million more over the next two seasons - it's not like whoever said they'd be paying 5 million more per year than they'd pay Bynum. It's more like 3 million.

LTLF,

"Can you imagine how devastating a lineup of LeBron, Kobe, Artest, Gasol, and Bynum would be on both ends of the court? Just scary good. It would arguably be the best Laker starting lineup of all time."

You're too modest. That would be the greatest team of all time. I'd be happy with just Kobe, LBJ and Pau on the same team.

But to say that LBJ is all about money b/c he wouldn't take the MLE with a championship team is unfair. Ron sacrificed a few million per year. LBJ would be sacrificing 20 million per year. There's no comparison.

Man, I just love Ron Artest. It is going to be really rough on me when I trade him this summer to Cleveland along with Andrew for Lebron, but I have to do it.

If you trade Bynum for Bosh, you lose height by 2 inches but you gained PPG and RPG. Well, considering that Bynum is option 3 with Lakers while Bosh is option 1 with the Raftors. Here are the vital comparison:

Bynum/Bosh

PPG - 15/24

RPG - 8.3/10.8

Ht - 7'0''/6'10"

Age - 23/26

Wt. - 285/235

Ann. Salary - 12M/15M

I leave this to Mitch to evaluate what is good for the team. There is not much difference between the two. If we lose Bynum it's not the end of the world except for LT which could be severe depression. lol! If we gain Bosh, we sacrificed the height but definitely will help the 2nd unit as additional firepower. Whatever move the F/O arrive at, it will be the best deal for the Lakers because Bynum is not Kwame and Bosh is not Radman.

I think it's funny that Cuban would admit Dallas' interest in LBJ. Who would they offer in a sign-and-trade? Dirk? If they did, LBJ would be in the same situation in Dallas as he was in Cleveland. Minus Dirk, what does Dallas have to offer that would remotely interest Cleveland?

If LBJ doesn't re-sign with Cleveland, we have as good a chance as anybody to land him. There's simply no more appealing option than LA.

does anybody know what hotel lakers stay at when they are here in Phoenix? I want to go down there and try to get the mamba's autograph. Go lakers!

"There is not much difference between the two."

I disagree. There's a ton of difference between the two. Simply put - a healthy Bynum with Deron Williams could possibly win it all. Deron with Bosh could not.

There are so many laker fans in Phx. I see more laker car flags than suns flags. Hopefully we can here chants of "LETS GO LAKERS" and "WE WANT BOSTON" if we get up by enough points. I also want to hear a lot of MVP chants every time kobe goes to the line...

oops. hear not "here"

my bad

I'm hoping the lakers will trade mbenga, morrison and vujacic and get lebron, d-wade and chris bosh in return. That would be a pretty decent trade.

Jeramy,

I think that is not trade but choosing the team that will represent USA for the Olympics in 2012.

All this Bosh talk sure is distracting when we have a dying Suns team to vanquish before we face the Dark Side of the Force.

It's not as annoying as LeBron sign and trade talk, but it almost is.

What do we play for? RINGS!!!

Lakers Today... Lakers Tomorrow... Lakers Forever.

GO LAKERS!!!!

1. I miss Trevor Ariza.

2. Thriller is fricking awesome. The longer he is a Laker, the longer I want him to remain a Laker.

3. This Championship is all about Thriller. Remember in 2008 when Paula Pierce used a wheelchair? In 2010, he gonna NEED a wheelchair! Ron's going to smash that punk.

4. I'm feeling good about things. We're really playing well, but we're not playing in a transcendent way, by that, it doesn't seem like we've maxed out. It just seems like we're improving, which is what we're doing, awesome, and important.

What do we play for? RINGS!!!

Lakers Today... Lakers Tomorrow... Lakers Forever.

GO LAKERS!!!!

Step One: Beat Phoenix.

Step Two: Disembowel (a more rugged metaphor for "beat") the Celtics.

Step Three: Convince Phil Jackson and Dr. Buss to make up and stop being childish.

Step Four: Convince Kobe Bryant and the rest of the team to make the best of their offseason by resting and not playing in international competition and not playing headbutt with Bulls in Southern Spain and whatnot.

Step Five: Make two key acquisitions (relatively young ones at that) and one key veteran (who will take a lot less money) to keep this team vital so that we can actually win a Championship next year... which is realistic.

Step Six: Super-Dynasty.

What do we play for? RINGS!!!

Lakers Today... Lakers Tomorrow... Lakers Forever.

GO LAKERS!!!

does anybody know what hotel lakers stay at when they are here in Phoenix? I want to go down there and try to get the mamba's autograph. Go lakers!

Posted by: Jeramy Brian | May 21, 2010 at 11:30 PM


The Lakers are staying in Tempe. Its a big secret. University hotel on Mill.

Shhh...don't tell anyone...

I think everyone's concentrating on the big names that are up for grabs this year, but I think there will be valuable free agents after the primary names.

Besides, we'd be adding to Kobe, Ron, Pau, Lamar, and Bynum. We don't need a savior.

The Lakers are staying in Tempe. Its a big secret. University hotel on Mill.

Shhh...don't tell anyone...
Posted by: #4 | May 22, 2010 at 01:06 AM
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where they invited to give lectures at ASU?

Though I think Bynum is injury prone and then cannot stand for being the future of the franchise, still I reckon trading him for Bosh would be redundant cos bosh and Pau would overlap as they are not as complementary as Pau and Bynum, for instance. Besides, that would be spending way too much money. I would give it another season to see if Bynum can be reliable a contributor to this team.

As for the PG considering how expensive and near impossible to get is any of the current elite PG in the nba, id make a smart move toward getting Rubio from Minney. Seriously, that kid would shock the nba, moreover playing alongside Kobe, Pau and having Phil as coach he would grow as a player even faster. As the Lakers have lot of potential scorers, they need a playmaker at the PG and this boy is the real deal in that. Also theres the marketing element to consider and how immensely jealous the other nba teams would be by that trade. Id do that only to see their faces!

If the Lakers were ever to consider trading Bynum, which they won't, NBA teams would be breaking the door down to be 1st in line. Bynum's prime years are still ahead of him as he's just 22 years old. True bigs don't even approach their physical maturity until 25 - 28.

Most of the injuries he's suffered to date have been freakish in that someone has crashed into his knee from a sideways angle. He's been in the wrong place at the wrong time, just plain bad luck. Look around the league...., which big would you replace him with? Certainly not Bosh, he's a 4, not a 5. Dwight Howard? I don't think so, look at his play in the east against Perkins. Sure, we have Pau who can play the 5 and he's very good on the offensive end, but his defensive presence doesn't really worry teams when they drive the lane. Pau doesn't alter shots like Drew does. You don't have to be a rocket scientist to see how teams shy away from attacking the lane while Drew is in the game, but immediately go there when he leaves.

I like our front court just the way it is. Where we need help next year is in the back court, but not at the expense of trading a big. We don't need a current super star, just a good solid young player, or two, to help cut Kobe's minutes and develop at the 1/2 or 2/3 position.

D-Fish is playing well at the moment, but his age must be considered going forward. Farmar and Brown are adequate backups at the present, but neither should be considered potential starters next year. Brown still has some upside potential, but I think Farmar is as good as he's ever going to be. Thankfully, Ammo won't be back, Sasha has one more year to prove his worth and M'binga and Powell will be back, but only if they are at minimum cost. I'm afraid we're stuck with Luke until his contract expires, unless we package him with a 1st round draft pick for a late 2nd and even then I doubt anyone would take him until his contract is expiring.

justanothermambafan,

you wrote:

You can't teach height.

Plus Socks is multi-talented and has very soft hands.

He's got a lot of heart and wants to win.

Why trade him again?


my response: There are other 7'0 centers in the nba.
What are his "multi-talents"?
"trade him again"? He's never been traded.

re: a lot of heart and wants to win. hmmm ....

I appreciate Bynum playing with a torn meniscus. You could add almost
any veteran Center in Bynum's place and they'd play for a chance to win
a championship. Joakim Noah has heart & wants to win! I bet you could
grab Lopez, from the Nets, and he'd play just as hard as socks.

p ang,

you wrote: I disagree. There's a ton of difference between the two. Simply put - a healthy Bynum with Deron Williams could possibly win it all. Deron with Bosh could not.

my response: With respect, I disagree for the following reasons -

1. Bosh is actually more fundamentally sound than Bynum.
2. Bosh is quicker than Bynum.
3. Bosh has played more basketball than Bynum.
4. Bynum is more prone to get into foul trouble.

Mr_Atreides,

you wrote: As for the PG considering how expensive and near impossible to get is any of the current elite PG in the nba, id make a smart move toward getting Rubio from Minney. Seriously, that kid would shock the nba, moreover playing alongside Kobe, Pau and having Phil as coach he would grow as a player even faster. As the Lakers have lot of potential scorers, they need a playmaker at the PG and this boy is the real deal in that.

my response:

1st. May I call you Paul? :)

2nd. We don't need a playmaker at the PG position. We need a defender. A
fast, strong defender. I saw Rubio in the Olympics and I was unimpressed.
I'm not saying he's not good. I'm saying that I don't see the reason for the
acclaim. I'd rather have Westbrook!

re: the Lakers needing a playmaker. *sigh* What is it with you people?
Forgive me if that sounds harsh. Allow me to clarify.

KOBE!

Kobe is the beginning and the end of the offense. Every time the Lakers
move away from that concept BAD things happen. I am *NOT* saying
that Kobe needs to score every time. I *AM* saying that Kobe tilts the
defense towards him. You WANT Kobe to be double-teamed. It means
that somebody's open. You WANT Kobe to have the ball in his hands.
It means that he'll pass the ball to the open man. He's the smartest basketball
player on the team. He's the most prepared player on the team. He devours
more tape on opposing players than anyone else.

If Kobe is *NOT* being double-teamed then he's either playing passive or
Pau & D-Fish have been running off at the mouth again. If Kobe is *NOT*
being double-teamed than people are staying at home and there is no
open man. Everybody except for Kobe is defendable one-on-one.

Body Pau up. He'll have to adjust.
Get Bynum in foul trouble and he's a ghost.
LO will go 2-10 on any given day.
Artest might do the same.

The saying is: Defense wins championships. You need to be able to get a
stop! This focus on the offense is fool's gold. Stop it. Please.

Yes, I appreciate the fast breaks. Yes, I appreciate the "beautiful game".

Offense gets you to the playoffs. Defense gets you a ring! THAT is why
we picked up Artest.

Go back over the last 10 - 20 years. Look how many of the champions had
at least 1 all-nba defensive player.

Lakers -Kobe
Celtics - KG
Spurs - Bowen
Pistons - Wallace(s)
Bulls - Pippen/Jordan/Rodman

Look at the defensive minded coaches: Jackson, Rivers, Popovich, Larry
Brown.

The Lakers are staying in Tempe. Its a big secret. University hotel on Mill.

Shhh...don't tell anyone...

Posted by: #4 | May 22, 2010 at 01:06 AM

#4: how do you know? Someone else told me they usually stay in north Phoenix in a resort...

It sounds like Daniel Artest is living off of his brother's fame and fortune. Sad. He should really start living his own life and doing his own thing.

Posted by: EJK | May 21, 2010 at 07:59 PM

Where do you get that from? It sounds to me more like he's Ron's brother, he loves Ron and he's having fun. If someone said something bad about my brother I'd have a nice reply too, irregardless of any fame my brother may have. I see nothing Ron's brother is doing that wouldn't occur between my brother and myself.


Wes

hobbit

i'm surprised that no one - here or the press - did not try to de-mythify the following Kobe TRAIT

he is always accused of being "selfish" and only looking for personal numbers, records, stats, especially when it is about scoring

he had 6 games over 30 points, including Game 1. with another +30 he would actually tie Shaq, who was the last Laker to accomplish that. and, regardless if the Lakers beat Phoenix or has to be carried to next playoff season, he could have had 11 games +30 to tie or pass Baylor.

he did not force the scoring, and it is clear that easily, especially the Suns, 30 points is a cake walk for him.

but he had 13 assists. the same number as Magic in 1996.

poor Kobe, he just can't escape records and also selfishness. :-)

i'm sure many will say that INTENTIONALLY he was seeking out all the assists in the detriment of the TEAM play. ;-)

It sounds like Daniel Artest is living off of his brother's fame and fortune. Sad. He should really start living his own life and doing his own thing.

Posted by: EJK | May 21, 2010 at 07:59 PM

i'm sure EJK is dreaming of living off his brother Le None's fame and fortune. there is one problem. as Le Brick's brother he won't be able to tweet. he will be in charge of holding Gloria's candle.

where they invited to give lectures at ASU?

Posted by: ouchhhhhhhh | May 22, 2010 at 01:19 AM

Nah, they just wanted to be close to the Rec Center pool.

Major talent pool there, pardon the pun.

where they invited to give lectures at ASU?

Posted by: ouchhhhhhhh | May 22, 2010 at 01:19 AM

Nah, they just wanted to be close to the Rec Center pool.

Major talent pool there, pardon the pun.

If Kobe is *NOT* being double-teamed then he's either playing passive or
Pau & D-Fish have been running off at the mouth again.

Posted by: hobbitmage | May 22, 2010 at 07:17 AM

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we had a little bit of that in Game 2 and the Lakers lost the momentum. it started with the PUJIT 3 by Fisher while Kobe on the bench. at the other end the Suns made a 3. a 6 point swing just like that. and the quarter ended in a tie.

Fisher eally plays for a new contract. talking about selfish. also i'm a little suspecious when they have a good play and Fish and Pau hug during the game. enquiring minds want to know what is the message: "we r winning OUR way"

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and because we r on this topic, also no one commented on the Game 1:

i'm sure it was a famous GAME PLAN. that did not go very far. at halftime the score was just 62-55 with the Suns shooting poorly from 3. indeed, as Gentry said, for "US" 7 points is nothing.

i'm not sure what the speech was in the locker room but is clear that Kobe came out in the 3rd, he THROEW AWAY the clipboard and the GAME PLAN. the punched in the ACTIVATOR, and at the end of the 3rd the game was out of reach.

maybe that gives us an indication why Kobe came out in Game 2 as the FACILITATOR. of course it was the double-teaming also.

it is interesting how Game 1 and 2 re-played the "famous" first respectively thesecond half of the Game 7 in 2006. the one when he was/is still accused of tanking the game. but, hey, different team/players and different results.

#4

looks like u had a double pun. :-)
or you just wanted to point out the were/where homophonic mistake? :-)

lol ouchhhhhhh....

#4

actually my line should have been: you had double dipping.

Lakers will get pounded by the C's.

Celtics win 4-2.

You heard it here first.

For interested fans, I just saw the best Bruce Lee documentary ever made. It's called "How Bruce Lee changed the world." it's super cool. Here's the free download:
http://extratorrent.com/torrent/2085181/How+Bruce+Lee+Changed+the+World+2009+DVDRip.html


Is it game day?


Wes

Celtics win 4-2.
You heard it here first.
Posted by: a2z

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we all know that already. unfortunately U r not aware that u traveled back in time and u r still stuck in 2008.

we'll give U the chance to be a good orwellian and you will have to change the headlines for 2010. it's a never ending job.

Funny that Chris Bosh can tell his Toronto Raptors where he might want to go but Dallas Mavericks owner Cuban or any other NBA team official can't say out loud if they are interested in signing a player who MIGHT potentially be a free agent come July 1st!?

That was love that Ron just showed to his brother right there. Ron is a guy I can truly respect. He has loyalty that everyone can learn from. The Detriot incident was unfortunate, but it made him a better person.

Kobe and Ron have the same DNA, and for Ron to value Kobe to win a championship with Kobe says alot about Kobe too. Ron could have easily played with Wade or Lebron, but he chose a guy he believed loved and breathe the game every single second.

I am truly glad he is on our team, and we got him at a time he has matured.

One thing I ask for Ron, be the guy that shows our team how to play the rugged Eastern bball style, and bring home a championship against one of the best defensive team in the Celtics this year.

Revenge is on my mind.

Congratulations to Yao Ming's first born baby girl. Her wife, Ye Li is 6'2" and Yao is 7'6".

Now lets think outside of the box, how about offering Bynum for Yao Ming, who wants that trade? i think this is a win-win for everyone. With Yao, Pau and LO on the post who can't out rebound the Lakers. Yao is perfect on the triangle, he can go inside or shoot outside with ease. JB would be happier w/ Yao not only exposure of the chinese market in China & Taiwan but the chinese market all over the world specifically USA. That's a quantum leap in potential revenues. The Chinese market is US is huge and rich in resources. They are not basketball addict but if Yao is a Laker, can you imagine tripping a new gold mine. Well, with Bynum it's his determination to succeed against all odds plus our consideration to LT's promo of the beast who could be latest version of King Kong who can climb the LA City Hall or the new Ritz Carlton at LA Live today i.e. if his meniscus will allow him to make giant steps. lol!

The problem with Yao for Drew is Yao is even more "injury prone" than Drew.
And Yao is older, and I don't think Yao has a very long career left. Yao may never make it through a whole season.
I guess some could argue neither will Bynum but I would prefer Drew to Yao.
As for the China market, we already have the most popular player in the NBA to feed China, Kobe.

Hi Hobbitmage

hehehe.... well, Paul is pretty accurate i ought to say

I agree with you that defenses win championships. in the case of the Lakers the team is pretty balanced as they are gifted on both sides of the court. I truly believe that this year they are stronger thanks to Artest which brings in that physical attitude. Fisher can still stand his ground pretty decently despite what people claim so thats why its important not to rush too much to acquire a PG.
Im lucky enough to have watched Rubio much more than in the Olympiads. his growth as a player has been HUGE and by the way, one of his main skills is DEFENSE. hes the best defending pg in Europe and his instinct for the defense is as good as his passing and game-tempo managing. the guy is not a mere flash as anybody that has not watched him could think. Seriously, the time to get him by a favorable trade is NOW. Once he comes to the nba and shows a bit of what hes worth, it will be impossible to "steal" him from Minney without giving away a key player.

I mentioned him as a good pg candidate for 2 reasons:

- How hard it would be for the Lakers to get Westbrook, Tyreke,etc.. any good young pg in the league would take some player the lakers are not willing to get rid of. To me its the key point: get an excellent starter without trading away an very good contributor. I see that happening only in the case of someone who has not shown up in the nba just yet.

- Rubio would have a rookie contract. bottom line, you are getting a potential allstar pg with a low salary and without turning in any of your best role players. im pretty sure the Lakers would get him for a bag of chips cos Minney already got John Flynn and last time i checked 2 pg cannot play at the same time..


Paul Atreides (of Caladan, I presume),

"my response: With respect, I disagree for the following reasons -

1. Bosh is actually more fundamentally sound than Bynum.
2. Bosh is quicker than Bynum.
3. Bosh has played more basketball than Bynum.
4. Bynum is more prone to get into foul trouble."

All true but I'd rather have the 2nd (or 3rd after Pau) best center than just a top 10 PF.

wow,

"That was love that Ron just showed to his brother right there. Ron is a guy I can truly respect. He has loyalty that everyone can learn from. The Detriot incident was unfortunate, but it made him a better person."

I've heard Thriller make comments about multiple players whom he believes were better than him, but never made it out of the hood because of prison, crime, poor decisions, etc.

Just like another time when I heard Ron state that he uses primarily his own body weight in his workouts to "show people they can get in shape without joining an expensive gym."

What's between the lines is that Ron is trying to be a role model. He's attempting to show through his own actions that "being an NBA star" is about more than just being a good basketball shape and that anybody who works hard can get into great shape, whether you have money or not.

That's refreshing.

The Malice in the Palace will always define Thriller in some way, just at Colorado will always define Kobe in some way; however, for us in Laker Nation we get to see a much deeper, positive, more meaningful and nuanced side to both players, which is great.

Redemption is an awesome thing because all of us need (and hopefully deserve) forgiveness in some way or another. All of us are human and all of us make mistakes. What is inspiring is when, despite that inherent flawed humaness, we strive to be our BEST and through that striving are actual able to accomplish magical things.

What do we play for? RINGS!!!

Lakers Today... Lakers Tomorrow... Lakers Forever.

GO LAKERS!!!

Here's my two cents on the whole "Why Are We Talking About Bosh During The Playoffs?" Distraction:

1. There is an unfortunate urge among fans to want to create a team based upon purely maximum talent, the equivalent of the Justice League of America or the Avengers on steroids.

2. If any of you read acursed Celtics' troll Bill Simmons' inspired "The Book of Basketball" you'll see how he eloquently expresses how that does not work. THAT strategy does not win Championships. Look at the Cavs this year.

3. Synergy, chemistry, coaching, and role players win Championship when lead by the right combination of super-stars.

4. Bosh is more talented than Bynum, but what he brings to the Lakers diminishes the synergy of the team. This is not due to his personality. This is due to the fact that he is not Bynum.

5. Bynum is bigger, stronger, and most importantly NOT a team leader. Bynum can fulfill functions that Bosh cannot, while Bosh would be able to fulfill functions that Gasol already does. Thus, he actually detracts from the team instead of adding to it, despite superior talent.

6. Bynum is not a leader. Bosh is a minor super-star. We already have two super-stars (Kobe and Gasol) on this team. Too many cooks spoil the broth.

7. Bynum is essentially a super-role player on steroids. He fulfills the role of a "TRUE" Center, something that is rare in the NBA right now and, thus, creates additional defensive match-up issues that Bosh does not. Also, Bynum being a super-role player, he doesn't step of the feet of Bryant and Gasol and by "letting Bryant and Gasol be Bryant and Gasol" thereby contributes to the overall synergy of the team instead of subtracting from it.

8. In the end, Bosh will cost the Lakers more money, which inhibits the Lakers flexibility in shoring up the talent at the far end of the bench, which is something that actually matters and would additionally contribute to a decrease in synergy on the team.

In closing, I love Bosh, but keeping Bynum is better for the continued success of the Lakers.

What do we play for? RINGS!!!

Lakers Today... Lakers Tomorrow... Lakers Forever.

GO LAKERS!!!!

Lots of wasted commentary here this morning, with continued reference to Chris Bosh. Didn't anyone see my post last night? I'm trading Andrew and Ron (with nothing but the best of wishes to both guys) to Cleveland for Lebron. I hate to lose Andrew, but we are winning titles without much from him, and to add the league's MVP to a starting lineup that already has the best shooting guard and big man, well that's something I've got to do.

EJK,

>>>Ron sacrificed a few million per year. LBJ would be sacrificing 20 million
>>>per year. There's no comparison.

Maybe you missed my other post. LBJ would average about 20 million. the MLE is about 7 million average. So he'd be sacrificing 13 million a year.

But the point is still the same. You can live a very full and productive life and live very very very well and never want for anything on 7 million dollars a year. Especially if you already have over 100 million to start with.

So I ask you this, straight up:

Let's say that you, EJK, already had 100 million dollars. And let's say I give you a choice for next season: you can have 6 million dollars and a championship, or you can have 17 million dollars and lose in the second round. Which would you choose?

All I'm saying is: LeBron would take the money. Probably Kobe would as well. And most other players in the NBA.

If it was me, I'd take the 6 million and a championship.

But like I said, I've never been in a situation of having so much money that I could buy pretty much anything I want for the rest of my life. Maybe when you're that rich, the compulsion to become even MORE rich is insatiable.

If I knew I was set for life with money, I'd be wanting as many championships as I could get.

There must be to much time between games if these young kids with their twitter-tweets are news.

icelaker,

>>>I would be shocked if Drew's trade value matches anyone on this list. I think
>>> his injury history makes him virtually untradeable especially if it's for a
>>> Dream Teamer.

I think Chris Paul and Deron Williams are now out of the picture. The scenario where New Orleans or Utah would consider trading them would have required that they won the draft lottery and added John Wall. Now that Wall's on the way to Washington, those two guys are untouchable.

As for Bosh, Wade, and LeBron, there's only one way such a trade would happen. And that would be if one of those players forces the hand of their current team.

If Bosh says to Toronto, "look: you can sign and trade me to the Lakers and get back Bynum and Sasha Vujacic, or I'll walk to New York and you can get nothing", then Toronto would certainly rather get a powerful center (even with the injury risk) rather than get nothing.

Same thing for Cleveland and LeBron, though it would cost the Lakers more - probably Bynum + Artest. So you can have two players who are high enough quality to start on an NBA championship team, or you can have nothing. Which would you take?

And to be honest, if LeBron forces a sign and trade, I think Cleveland would PREFER to send him to the Lakers rather than send him to Chicago or New York or Miami and build a powerhouse in their own conference.

If Cleveland added Bynum and Artest and the other Eastern teams stayed relatively the same, then at least they'd have a CHANCE to get back to the finals with those two plus Jamison, Williams, West, Varejao, etc. If Cleveland loses LeBron and gets nothing back and at the same time builds a superteam in Miami or Chicago, then they're not making the finals any time soon.

To be honest though, I think LeBron will re-sign with Cleveland, Wade will re-sign with Miami, and Bosh will probably get a sign and trade to Miami.

Jon K,

How are ya?

you wrote: 1. There is an unfortunate urge among fans to want to create a team based upon purely maximum talent, the equivalent of the Justice League of America or the Avengers on steroids.

my response: Actually, I don't want Bosh because he has more "talent" than
Bynum. I would want him because he works harder than Bynum.

you also wrote: 2. If any of you read acursed Celtics' troll Bill Simmons' inspired "The Book of Basketball" you'll see how he eloquently expresses how that does not work. THAT strategy does not win Championships. Look at the Cavs this year.

my response: This actually makes my point. Shaq does *NOT* work hard
and we knew that from when he was a Lakers.

you wrote: 5. Bynum is bigger, stronger, and most importantly NOT a team leader. Bynum can fulfill functions that Bosh cannot, while Bosh would be able to fulfill functions that Gasol already does. Thus, he actually detracts from the team instead of adding to it, despite superior talent.

my response: So this is the root of the question. Are the Lakers better two
slender bigs who work their tail off and are extrememly skilled or are they
better off with 1 slender big and 1 non-slender big. The slender big is
extremely skilled. The non-slender big has shown character issues which
have led to him not having the skillset he should have.

you wrote: 6. Bynum is not a leader. Bosh is a minor super-star. We already have two super-stars (Kobe and Gasol) on this team. Too many cooks spoil the broth.

my response: I partially agree and I partially don't. Let's do work. I agree
that Bynum is not a leader. I have no comment on Bosh as a minor
super-star. It would be a nomenclature issue. Pau Gasol maybe a super-star
in Spain, but in the NBA he's not. *THAT* is where the Lakers get into
trouble. So ... until Pau was traded to the Lakers, was there anybody in the
USA who considered Pau a top 3 pf? I specify the USA because Ricky & co.
have been very clear that Pau walks on water. The only reason why D-Will
has so few all-star nominations is because it's been his misfortune to play
in the same conference as CP3, Nash, A.I., Billups & Kobe. He's always been
talked about as one of the best in the game. The same has not been true of
Pau. Pau is a star. He's extremely talented. He can't carry a team. When
he runs his mouth he causes dissension in the ranks.

you wrote: 8. In the end, Bosh will cost the Lakers more money, which inhibits the Lakers flexibility in shoring up the talent at the far end of the bench, which is something that actually matters and would additionally contribute to a decrease in synergy on the team.

my response: The Lakers are screwed on $$ anyway. They gave it all to
Bynum, Pau, LO, Kobe, Luke & Sasha.

Please don't take this the wrong way. I'm not anti-Bynum. He's a good center.
He has the potential to be a very good to great center. His knees will be a
problem for the rest of his career. His character is questionable. He has a
chance to resolve that. The comments about his youth are over-rated.
Bosh is only 3 years older. The heart of the matter is ... will he develop?
Will he do the right things? If he does, then keeping him is the right
decision. If he doesn't then keeping him is a bone-headed decision. If you
want to give him the benefit of the doubt then do so. However, let's call a
spade a spade. He's had 5 years of tutelage under Kareem and he still didn't
know to focus on defense.

That is *NOT* a good thing.

Same thing for Cleveland and LeBron, though it would cost the Lakers more - probably Bynum + Artest. So you can have two players who are high enough quality to start on an NBA championship team, or you can have nothing. Which would you take?
Posted by: LongTimeLakerFan | May 22, 2010 at 11:25 AM
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Even if that scenario arose, would you want to trade Drew and Ron for Labron?
That causes some chemistry issues, Lakers lose some things defensively, fewer shots for Kobe and Gasol and everyone else, and it's King Labron and his court.
I wouldn't do that trade even if offered.
But as you said, not likely anyway.

hobbitmage said:

"The non-slender big has shown character issues which
have led to him not having the skillset he should have."

I agreed with your entire analysis of Drew except for the above. On reading that I thought "what character issues?"

When character re-appeared later in the post, I think I got that you meant he should have learned more from Kareem than he has, and that the reason he didn't is not enough desire and drive.

I guess we'd have to ask Kareem if that is so (Or if Phil thinks so. Or if Kobe thinks so--I truly have no idea).

But it seems a lot of folks posting here think he has a "character" problem because he is so open. If I may invoke baseball from the '60s, Roberto Clemente got roasted (unfairly) because he would admit that he was hurting. That's just who he was--he wasn't a whiner or complainer, he would just answer honestly when asked.

I see a bit of the same with Bynum. I've been very surprised by some of his answers about his health.

I think your point is about "work ethic", not the much broader "character" issue, no? --unless there are things about him as a teammate and person I'm not aware of. All I know is what I see on the court, what I read in the blogosphere, what I see in post-game interviews.

Alas, pretty thin gruel for judgments on character. But maybe that's how it should be.


Bynum for Bosh all day long! Bosh has mega skilz. I liked the way Bosh played in the all star game. Bynum will never get there. Doesn't have the mentality.

The argument you need Bynum because "hes a big man" I say to play whom? Dwight Howard? He isn't that good, as septics series is proving. To play Kendrick Perkins? Don't think so. WHo then?

In todays NBA, given the big men out there, I don't think you keep Bynum simply because he's a big man. And that's the only argument. Can;t argue about Bynum's play, because he never does. I agree with the James Worthy comments - trotting out pain as an excuse is just plain weak. It shows lack of character.

kensey

I'd trade anyone on the team not named Kobe Bryant for DWade one-to-one. C'mon you have to be blind to not notice that Kobe, Wade and Lebron are special players. I'm a big fan of all the current Laker players but all of them except for Kobe are replaceable - there are other good Gasol type or Bynum type etc players in the league.
Even if one is a Lakers fan that doesn't mean that you forget everything you know about basketball. Funny how fandom can sometimes be blind LOL

Greetings Lakeshow Fans,

It's always nice to drop in and see the passion through words between bloggers in bringing out key points about their teams, especially the Lakers. One can tell it's CHAMPIONSHIP time...

Hmmm...Just watched the B-town guys give a "D" education to the Magic in Game 3. I'm sure KB24 and company are WELL aware of the "focused" opponent that ultimately awaits them (barring any unforeseen miracles in bth series)....Not so fast!

I expect the Lakers to weather a Suns storm tomorrow and take a 3-0 lead with a hard earned victory. The Suns I know are going to give a lot more effort than the Orlando fellas in the East did today.

The keys for a Lakers "W" is going BIG (utilizing a heavy dose of Gasol, Bynum, and Odom), rebounding the rock, and contolling Nash and Richardson on the perimeter on the D end. Most of all, playing ALL 48 minutes with a PURPOSE.

Hey, EVERYONE knows that the Lakers team has the moxie to get it done on both ends, as they have the first two games collectively. However, it would be nice for the Lakers to revisit their commitment on the D end a bit more.

For this, I expect Bynum to play key minutes, injury and all, on the floor to keep the Phoenix defenders honest in "defending." It's about their BIGS breaking the Suns will EARLY and OFTEN.

As long as the Lakers don't fall in love with quick jumpshots, play INSIDE-OUT team ball from here on out and take care of business the next 2 games, I see a LA/Boston Finals on the horizon.

With all the ADVERSITY that faced the Celts and Lakers all season from critics everywhere and media alike, it looks like the NBA is primed for yet another traditional showdown MINUS LeBron, Melo, and soon DHoward.

However, business first! KB24 and company understand what that is...that is taking care of the Suns in Game 3. Period! Phil will make sure of that...

Laker pride through ALL and ANY ADVERSITY!

Peace!

YOU GUYS ARE ALL MORONS, for wasting all this valuable space and time to talk about BOSH at THIS TIME! You idiots can talk about this sh*t all you want after the season ends, but we're 2 games away from the NBA Finals, for Chrissakes! Boston is on the horizon! Revenge still needs to be exacted from Phoenix! What the hell is this nonsense?!!!


And as if we need another power forward here, a soft one at that, in BOSH, no way, no thanks! Bynum is here now, and that's that!

vamos lakers

Why would Toronto trade Bosh for Bynum? To help the lakers? Bosh is a better player. There are many people here and outside of LA that want to see your arrogant owner, GM and Coach fall flat on their faces.
No MeBron,
No Bosh
No CP3
NO first round pick!!

You have 5 FA's and no cap space!!!
After we hoist #18, it will be fun watching you all sqirm in the off-season!!

Keep dreaming Lunatic

Mamba...how about a Kick Amare's A** bandwagon? That guy is such a punk. Rebounding and defense are about effort...desire, discipline, dedication. Amare is as weak as his excuses. BFD if we have three 7 footers, never seems to slow down Milsap in Utah and he's only 6'5" or something. Any team that would shell out big bucks for him is retarded. The Suns should dump him and go after Dirk to reunite him with Nash. They still wouldn't win but would be better and more fun to watch. How can PHX fans even root for a moron like ASS (Amare Sucks Stoudamire)


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