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Does Cleveland's elimination sour possible LeBron-Kobe Finals matchups in the future?

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During the Cavaliers-Celtics chat, I joked with several fans on the Lakers blog that Thursday marked the only day of their lives when they rooted for the Boston Celtics (and possibly wore green).

With the Celtics' series-clinching 94-85 Game 6 victory over the Cleveland Cavaliers, fans expressed plenty of excitement knowing that the Lakers would have home-court advantage if they meet Boston in the NBA Finals, that the Lakers have an opportunity to atone for their 2008 Finals loss and, of course, that this could be the last time LeBron James plays for the Cavaliers. I may be going out on a limb here, but I have a hunch he'll be in the news as free agency approaches. Just a hunch.

Lakers fans surely aren't losing any sleep over this, with 86% in our unscientific poll wanting the Celtics to win against Cleveland. Even if there was a clear distinction on who Lakers fans were rooting for, 58.7% said they wanted the Celtics to win so the Lakers could possibly rekindle their rivalry in the Finals, and 51.7% said they wanted Kobe Bryant to have the chance to prove his supremacy over James.

Yet part of me wonders if Cleveland's elimination ended the best chance for James and Bryant to match up with each other in the Finals, a sentiment ESPN Los Angeles' Arash Markazi outlined eloquently:

"LeBron's career will not be defined by one playoff series. He'll recover, but what we lost tonight and might never get again is Kobe versus LeBron in the NBA Finals, which is not only a huge loss for the NBA but for both of their legacies.

No matter what LeBron ends up doing in the offseason we can all agree the odds of him reaching the NBA Finals next season aren't as much of a foregone conclusion as we had previously thought. If he returns to Cleveland, the Cavaliers, after being eliminated before the Finals despite having the best record in the league the past two seasons, have to make major changes to get past the Celtics and more important the Magic. If he goes to New York, the Knicks' rebuilding process will be even more daunting.

Meanwhile, Kobe will turn 32 in August and has already shown the wear and tear of a player in the back end of his career. If we were going to get Kobe versus LeBron in the Finals it had to be last year or this year. If we end up getting it two or three years from now it will be like watching Robert De Niro and Marlon Brando in "The Score." It might not be terrible, but you'll always wonder how amazing it would have been if they were both in their prime.

The truth is Kobe needs LeBron and LeBron needs Kobe. As manufactured as their rivalry may be, they need to face one another to validate their accomplishments during a time when you are judged by your competition as much as your talent. Yes, Kobe finally won a championship without Shaquille O'Neal last season when the Lakers beat the Magic, but how much bigger would the victory have been viewed historically and by his critics if he had taken down LeBron in the process? It would have been infinitely more memorable if Kobe had his hands raised while LeBron was walking off the court with his head down behind him."

Markazi pretty much sums up the situation, an argument with which I completely agree. I had mentioned that once James won his second consecutive MVP, any talk regarding him or Kevin Durant surpassing Bryant as a basketball player was way too premature, both because Bryant has four championships to their zero and that it's unfair to compare the body of work when James' and Durant's legacies aren't even completely molded. Though I have no rooting interest in any scenario, the reporter in me roots for stories, and I couldn't help but wonder what stories would've come out had a Finals matchup between Bryant and James occurred.

I'm not talking about the manufactured rivalry between Cleveland and the Lakers, two teams that really have no history with each other. I'm not talking about the manufactured tension between Bryant and James, which has more to do with the Nike puppet commercials than anything else. I'm talking about the manufactured contention that a Lakers-Cavaliers matchup would help decide who's the better basketball player. Because Bryant has four rings, another championship wouldn't significantly bolster his resume over James. And because James has zero rings, a Cleveland title over the Lakers wouldn't have changed the argument. But it would have given either Bryant or James something on their resume that would serve as a talking point for the discussion.

As Markazi noted, it's not entirely out of the question that the two will meet in the Finals down the line. But with James' uncertain future, it appears that if they meet, it would be when they're past their prime, thus making the matchup somewhat less intriguing.

But what do you think? Do you wonder what would've happened had the Lakers and Cavaliers met in the 2010 Finals? Or are you just happy to see the league's top team eliminated? Because the answers may be wide-ranging, I didn't create a poll. So feel free to share your thoughts in the comments section below.

-- Mark Medina

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Photo: Cleveland forward LeBron James walks back to the bench after being called for a foul during the first half of the Boston Celtics' 94-85 victory over the Cavaliers in Game 6 of the Eastern Conference semifinals Thursday. Credit: David Butler II / US Presswire

 
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No it doesnt sour anything.KOBE legacies will leave on even without Lebron.Please dont even mention Lebron names as same breath as KOBE no way his even close to the Mamba.Go Lakers.Go KOBE the greatest player of all time.Lakers all the way baby!!!

MM

really pathetic. u picked the poorest topic and the worst written article to bash on kobe? i read it before u posted this. maybe you should go back and read the comments: even Rick Friedman bothered to make one. against it.

So, Kobe's legacy will fall in shares because he did not play a loser in the Finals. or maybe because he did not play Baron Davis? or fill in other scrubs.

i thought you will entertain us with your improved views and understanding of BB. and U r picking up from ESPN? do you want a job there? it is what you learned from K Bros?

because of the post-modernism and Foucaultian notions of "authorship" i really don't use the word ORIGINAL. but i really have to suggest that: maybe you should have your original ideas and views. that guy is a scrub.

by reading the comments i was thinking: did ESPN just opened an office in LA to have the Kobe Bashers closer to pacific time? so we can't complain that the East coast media is biased?

maybe he should point out that the most wanted final ever between Kobe vs. Le Bron/Shaq never happened because the last 2 r both chokers? how come Snak did not push him? how come he did not question him. he laid down like a big doughnut to become a soft carpet for the KING?


by the way, after this game i just realized that really the connection and the right association is comparing Le Bron with Gasol. both have great numbers on paper. and both r gutless when the I is needed in the WIN. two inflated dolls hyped by the media. we r lucky. Gasol dodged the Shaq/Verajao/Ziggy frontline. especially with the hobbled BEAST.

the real question is: If Joe Johnson can't command max money after such a poor playoff performance, why Le Bron will have to get it?
what a double knock out that series was. the Big Acorn and the Little One. in a white Rolls Royce. kinda tacky.

ouchhhhhhhh - I'm not bashing Kobe. I was defending him.

MM

MM, this article is hilarious.

It keeps portraying LeBronze in his prime (his prime that never reaches out to anything valuable, I guess...) and mocks Kobe down, while he still have a great game in the playoffs, despite STILL all of his injuries.

This "writer" is in heavy denial.

Probably he has to accept Bron-zey will NEVER actally reach a Final, and this because he just isn't fit to reach it.

He chokes.

And he's already destined to fade as better players have already show up.

Next interesting match up for incoming season will be Kobe-Whomever else.

I get this bloke wants painfully to believe Kobe is ready to go away, but he's as blind as Fortune, and without her grace I must say.

Kobe will reach the Finals and we all hope a new Parade along Lakesr This year, a year when he NEVER was healthy.

So much for his prime, next year he WILL be healthy.

And sorry BSPN Markazi, but this means lots of year of great Bball more.

Maybe you just need to stick this into your unaware brain:

Kobe unhealthy >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> LeBronze's in his losering Prime.

LeBronze is so much NOT a real deal, Kobe outshines him when it matters (playoffs) even injuried.

Do you really think it makes you sound smart to claim an injuried player, PAST HIS PRIME (oh, boy... with Kobe's talent and total complete-ness as a player, "prime" is such a movable concept... he can become ten different types of player, you uncompetent "writer"... while somebody else never really become not even ONE type of player, despite the hype), still completely own a way more healthy player in his claimed prime??

Hilarious.

BSPN are really best comedy show around.

Let's campaign for Betty White to host them shows too.

I'm sure the Glorious Betty gets more about basketball then Markazi, anyway.

>>>> ESPN. Where denial runs rampant.<<<<

MM did not write that insane article peeps.

He quotes it and then discusses it.

MM is way too smart to underline any of that delerium.

;)
Later fam.

Break has ended ;)


Does Cleveland's elimination sour possible LeBron-Kobe Finals matchups in the future? Not really, LeBron needs win at least one championship before making any potential meeting with Kobe exciting which on my side would be a bit contradictory as I expect the Lakers to win the next titles which would keep Lebron as an eternal non-successful candidate.

For instance, Did Magic's early (forced) retirement soured more Jordan-Magic Matchups? ABSOLUTELY, they were (both) already champs and top players.

In any case, nothing would be biggest than the Magic-Bird rivalry. The most succesful teams with their best player of all time facing each other.


Just one thought that came to my mind last night.

No regular season MVP won the ring on the same season for the last 7 years and only 2 did in the last 11 years. (Duncan 2002 and Shaq 2000). Most of them did not even make it to the finals.

If we check the history, we see that Bird, Jordan or Magic won the regular season MVP and they were also Champs the same year or at least they reached the finals. I think this not only shows the greatness of these players but also the competitiveness spirit that players had back then.

Right now, you see teams like our Lakers, with the playoffs on mind since the beginning of the season, who would not mind sacrificing a few games on the regular season and show less effort and you have teams that show all the heart in the regular season but then flop on the playoffs because their MVP is not one of the greatest (Mavs, Cavs...) and the team can keep the mental focus.

Is that an MVP's kind of curse on the last few years or we can say that champions were built up differently in the 70's 80's and 90's?

I think a rematch with the Celtics (jumping the gun, we still have to beat Phoenix and Orlando probably will kill Boston) and revenge for that humiliating spectacle in Boston when we lost the title, is sooooo much in our Laker fan psyche (at least mine). I can't help wanting the celtics. I don't give a crap about Lebron vs. Kobe. There's no history, no animosity, nothing but one guy vs. another,(fat Shaq vs Kobe is nothing now) and over the years my Laker heart has been broken 100% more times with the Celtics than the lowly Cavaliers. And it wasn't just Russell, or Havlicek, or Bird, or Garnet, etc, it is always "The Celtics".

kobe doesn't need to prove anything, his game and 4 rings does.

Yes, I can see the point of it would have been nice to see LeBron in his prime vs. Kobe in his near prime but w/the heart and will that LeBron lacks.

LeBron has had his way in Cleveland for the past 3 years and gotten every player he wanted. For all intents and purposes, he's been the GM for the Cavs for the last 3 years.

On the other hand, Mitch, despite Kobe's rantings has been the GM and made the trades that have made and kept the Lakers great the last 3 seasons and hopefully he will add another piece if Fish retires.

Is it sad that LeBron's team got beat by a better team? Yes, in a way, but it shows that one individual cannot beat a team. LeBron may be King, but King of what? Kobe was collecting rings when he was LeBron's age.

LeBron sulks, doesn't give the other team's their due, doesn't show up for press conferences after a loss, etc. This all shows that LeBron has to grow up before he can start to exemplify what a winner is and does.

Kobe has been through all that and the pain that goes with it and it made him stronger and want it more. That's why at the end of games you see Kobe's will dominate a game like few other players before him.

LeBron may be a great individual player, but their have been many before him that were just like him. To be considered great in the NBA, you need to have rings. When and if LeBron finally wins a ring, then he will have matured to the point that Kobe has. Until then, he doesn't even deserve to be in the Conference Finals, let alone the Championship.

We've had the 2 best NBA players facing each other many time - Wilt vs. Russell, Kareem vs. various pretenders, Magic vs. Bird. The common thread in all of these is that both sides wanted it and their wills dominated their teams to the point of getting where they needed to be. Jordon didn't have much competition in the 90's. Kobe obviously hasn't had much competition in the 2000's and now the 2010's.

When LeBron's will is strong enough to form a TEAM then he will be worthy of being in the finals, but I think it will be after Kobe retires and not before.

Go Celtics -- so we can kick your butt in the finals. As for Lebron, well its apparent his elbow was a lot more injured than he let on. Its also apparent the Cavs were not built for the playoffs and that they had no one who could step up. As for Kobe vs Lebron one can only hope that Lebron stays healthy enough to build a legacy.

JRock, you nailed it:

"I can't help wanting the celtics. I don't give a crap about Lebron vs. Kobe. There's no history, no animosity..."

This is why I say that if LeBron is being truthful when he states, "It's all about winning." he will end up in a Laker uniform next year (maybe Bynum & Artest for LBJ). He can play 2nd fiddle to Kobe for a couple of years and then start to assume the alpha-dog, leadership position of the team, rolling up championships along the way. He's not getting bling anywhere else.

The funny thing about Robert Dinero is that he's the only male actor I can think of whose conditioning is important to his on-screen performance. I just can't stand seeing the guy with a big gut. I personally thought he was terrible in Foxy Brown, with that ungulating flab, but in Heat, he was fit and good. So, there you have it.


Wes

Strictly from a basketball point of view Lebron is not Kobe's equal. Kobe has better footwork, better shooter, better defensive player and better basketball IQ. Lebron has a physical advantage over Kobe and might be a slightly better passer but that is it. So how can so called basketball analysts call Lebron the better player. A while back it was not suppose to be strictly about the numbers but somehow that has changed now that Lebron numbers are better. Basketball purists, I mean the people that really know how to play and analyze the game cannot call Lebron James a better basketall player than Kobe Bryant. Lebron is a great player but not the best although the gap is closing. Rings and Championships that another arguement that has nothing to do with basketball and how the game is played at all but hey people see what they want to see.

Lebron needs a all-star big man in his prime: Pau Gasol.

Kobe won nothing without a superstar big man. Shaq is not in his prime, Varejao, Z and Jameson not been superstars as Pau Gasol.

Conclusion: Cleveland should trade Jameson, Shaq, Varejao and Shaq, and adquire Pau Gasol next year. Lakers have another big man (Bynum) and no need 2 bigs at the same time.

I agree with R. Grimau. Cavaliers need Pau Gasol, and Lebron obviously, too. The Duo Gasol/Lebron will be the greatest duo in the NBA history.

Great idea: Pau Gasol and Lebron James TOGETHER in NY

Markazi's insane -- Kobe does not need LeBron. Kobe's chasing history -- Magic, then Jordan -- not worrying about LeBron. Besides, a Kobe-LeBron final is lose-lose for Kobe: assuming Lakers win, media will make excuses for LeBron and if Cavs win, then Kobe gets the blame.

Sorry, typical trash from this guy, same kind of lazy stuff he used to write on SI.com.

ouchhhhhhhh -- I am curious as to why you dislike Gasol so much? Not trying to start a flame war, just honestly wondering what the issue is. I actually think Lakers front line would have destroyed Cleveland in the finals. I am far more concerned with either Orlando or Boston.

I see the poster with many names is back again this morning...

Mark wasn't bashing Kobe.
Mark wrote:
"I had mentioned once James won his second consecutive MVP that any talk regarding him or Kevin Durant surpassing Bryant as a basketball player is way too premature, both because Bryant has four championships to their zero and it's unfair to compare the body of work when James and Durant's legacies aren't even nearly completely molded."

I think a point of the article was that the Media needed a Kobe/Labron match up. Kobe doesn't need it. It's just a media hype thing.

Mark wrote:

"Though I have really no rooting interest in any scenario, the reporter in me roots for stories, and I couldn't help but wonder what stories would've come out had a Finals matchup Bryant and James would've done for both.
It's for all the hype."

Mark also wrote:

"I'm talking about the MANUFACTURED contention that a Lakers-Cavaliers matchup would help decide who's the better basketball player. Since Bryant has four rings, another championship wouldn't significantly bolster his resume over James. And since James has zero titles, a Cleveland title over the Lakers wouldn't have changed the argument then. But it would have at given either Bryant or James something on their resume that would serve as a talking point to the discussion."

Note, "...serve as a talking point for discussion."

No where in the article does it say that Kobe's legacy will be less because he didn't play Labron.

As for the mention that Kobe is on the back end of his career, that's not a knock on Kobe, it's just what it is. Kobe isn't going play another 12-13 years.


"It would have been infinitely more memorable if Kobe had his hands raised while LeBron was walking off the court with his head down behind him."


I would have loved to see Kobe (and all the Lakers) walking off the court, arms raised after winning the championship, Labron AND Shaq both walking off the court head down.

I don't mind at all that the Cavs lost, but it would have been fun to beat them in the Finals.

I am a Lakers fans first, so I want the Lakers to win.
I am not a Lakers fan because of Kobe, I am a Kobe fan because he plays for the Lakers.
If Kobe played for the Celtics I would hate him.

Bottom line, I don't really care who the Lakers beat in the Finals and would be just as satisfied seeing the Magic knock out the Celtics.

I also wouldn't mind having HCA in the Finals either, but as Kobe said, if they are going to win it all they will need to win on the road.

To the LEBRONIAC Guy,

How are you coping, now that the Choker One is gone fishing again? And you're saying that you ain't a Cleveland fan? yet, after LeGone is eliminated, here you are in defense of the Queen? I've read some of your posts before, and I must say that you are a Certified Lebroniac.

You keep on calling Lakers, Fakers right????NOW, WHO IS THE REAL FAKE????? Where's Lebron now? Where's Kobe now? WHERE????????

Lebron may be a very good athlete, but he lacks the MENTAL TOUGHNESS needed to be a leader.

LEBRON IS SIMPLY NOT YET IN THE SAME STRATOSPHERE AS KOBE. Will Lebron get there? We don't know. Only time will tell.

Until then, KOBE IS ALWAYS THE ALPHA MALE OF THE NBA.


LAKERS ALL DAY!!!

Hey Chuckster BARKley, Is Kobe's old? Cavs is the best team in the NBA?

****** LAKER BLOGGERS PLEASE STAND IN MEMORY OF THE PASSING OF KING JAMES ****
First The national anthem:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KPevEQ5NFlk&feature=related

I DID IT MY WAY ---- http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6426242044766176794#

PRINCESS JIMMY SINGS...FAKE TODAY --TO THE TUNE -- MY WAY

And now the end is near and so I’ll go and try my skirt on
My fans I’ll say it clear, I am a fake of this I’m certain
I lived a life that’s full , I traveled with the ball on every play
And more, much more than this, I’m Just a fake today

Regrets I’ve had a few, but then again too few to mention
I did what I had to do, So I could be Darth Sterns Tax exemption

I planned each charted course, I always crabbed dribbled on every play
But still, iN spite of this, I’m still a fake today
Yes there were times, I’m sure you knew, When I crab dribbled a time or two
But through it all when there was doubt, I’d pitch a fit and then go Pout
I faked it all, In basketball and I’m still a Fake today

I’ve mugged, I’ve laughed & cried, I’ve had my fill, my share of losing
And now I have no pride, So another team I now am choosing it
To think, I did all that and may I say not in a shy way
Oh no , no not me, Cause I’m a fake today

For what is a man, what has he got, If he has no stones, then he has not
To say the things he truly feels, and not at Darth sterns feet have to kneel
The record shows, The NBA knows, I am a fake today


Lebron has changed his tattoo at the back, it now read "CHOKER ONE".

Lebron has changed his tattoo at the back, it now read "CHOKER ONE".Posted by: JovBatz44 | May 14, 2010 at 06:13 AM
LMAO!!!! HAHAHAHHA, KING JAMES MY @ZZZZZ

Good morning,

Did you see LBJ’s post-game news conference? The guy looked like he’d been knocked to the curb by an 18-wheeler. He didn’t see it coming.

As we all know, he’d been living a dream. His team entering the playoffs with the best record in the NBA. Endless accolades, including back-to-back MVP’s. Anointed the “Chosen One” by NBA Commissioner, David Stern. More importantly, the hero of the chosen storyline of ESPN, which had bought Stern’s script lock, stock and barrel like a Hollywood studio, certain it had the next “Avatar.”

Instead of “Avatar” the finished film was more like the disastrous “Waterworld,” the polar ice caps melted and the earth Stern ruled underwater.

The 18-wheeler that demolished James didn’t sound its horn, it didn’t flash its lights, it didn’t slow down. It sped through Cavaliers Town relentlessly in only a few days. Boom! Crash! The anointed “King” savagely dethroned” even before the highly anticipated coronation. The dream shattered by a violent nightmare turned all-too real.

When the looky-loo’s of the media swarmed the press room, instead of a king they found a trauma victim stripped of his identity. A trauma victim barely able to barely utter one word answers (repeatedly, the word “no” to questions about his plans). Like EMT’s the reporters tried to comfort him, giving him the opportunity more than once to let his previously injured elbow shoulder the blame for defeat. Instead, he grew uncomfortable, the pain setting in, the awareness of humiliation taking over.

It is no secret that I had literally been praying for James’ humiliation. It permeated my blog posts for days. It adorned my Facebook page. I was sure James was a pretender, not a contender. I was offended by all the hype. When he crumbled in Game 5 against Boston, I could smell blood in the water like a shark ready for feeding. Joy O Joy! Yes, a five course feast was about to be served up on a Game 6 silver platter.

The TV was my banquet table. The participants of the live blog chat were my dinner guests. LeBron’s humiliation was the main course. I was insatiable. So were most of my guests.

As my delightful pound of flesh was consumed, something started gnawing at me. I had turned into a monster; this wasn’t me. I worried about my karma. By the time the dessert of the press conference was served, I was starting to feel guilty. My rage of hate quickly dissipated at the sight of LeBron’s stunning humiliation.

As I put down the dessert spoon, the epiphany set in that I didn’t hate the man. I hated the Myth. I hated the absurd storyline that had been relentlessly jammed down my throat. Now, in James’ glorious moment of humiliation, his humanity was restored. So was my own.

The cards continue their remarkable fall in the right places. Now with all the Laker killing teams gone, we just need for Orlando to defeat Boston and us to get passed the Suns.

We handled the Suns in the regular season (3-1), we have a size advantage over them, and there's on player on that team that can sufficiently get Pau out of his comfort zone. With the Finals only a step away, with the energy of having Lebron out of the picture, and with revenge of the once feared Suns in his mindset, Kobe should have more than enough motivation to get this win. But the Suns won't be as easy as you'd think. They're going to have one game of shooting the lights out, and another one which will be a close win for them. There will be a nervous moment for us Laker fans in this series, but in the end, I don't see how this Suns team can prevail.

Lakers in 6.

With Orlando sweeping past everybody, they're due for a loss. Boston is not a team to be taken lightly. If healthy, they're are every much a dangerous team as anybody else. I don't think they are as potent as they were two years ago, but they will give this Orlando team a run for their money. They're gritty and determined, and I actually like that about Boston. Still, Orlando is popping on all cylinders, and they're younger and stronger than the the old Celt team.

Orlando in 5.

Lakers v. Orlando...well, all I can say is if we can beat them last year, we can beat them this year.

2010 World Champions...Lakers (in 6).

@RICK FRIEDMAN...That was a Freakin Masterpiece!!!
OUT FREAKIN STANDING SIR, I say again OUT FREAKIN STANDING!!!!
MAMBA24

Markazi of BSPN wrote...."The truth is Kobe needs LeBron....."
_______________________________

WHATTTTTTTTTTT???????????????????????

When did Kobe need LeGone??? Kobe does not need Lebron to bolster his legacy.

Kobe will take on anyone who stands in the way. He is the Black Mamba. He is the Assassin. He is Cold Blooded. He is the real MVP. He is a real Leader. He is the most skilled. He is the most complete. He is a Swiss Knife. He is the most durable. He is the Chosen One. He is obsessed with WINNING. Winning is his life.

Kobe is everything Lebron is not.

Kobe is everything Lebron is not. Posted by: JovBatz44 | May 14, 2010 at 06:31 AM

And JovBatz44 is...OUT FREAKIN STANDING SIR!!
THIS BLOG IS ON FIRE THIS MORNING!!!

Lakers v. Orlando...well, all I can say is if we can beat them last year, we can beat them this year. 2010 World Champions...Lakers (in 6). Posted by: troy | May 14, 2010 at 06:24 AM
PREACH TROY, PREACH!!!

Morning Mamba-

2 down ... 2 to go!

hobbitmage,

I think David Stern = Wormtongue. No real power, just whispering in the dark, corrupting the minds of the easily fooled.

Watch now as the men of the West rise up!

Good morning Laker Family! I should've stayed off this blog this morning because I'm already heated and haven't even finished my coffee.

I VEHEMENTLY DISAGREE WITH ARASH MARKAZI'S FOLLOWING STATEMENT ON KOBE V. LEBRON:

"...they need to face one another to validate their accomplishments during a time when you are judged by your competition as much as your talent."

That is the biggest bunch of B.S. I've ever read. Lebron may need to face Kobe to validate his "King" title or his "Jordanesque" comparisons but Kobe doesn't need to face Lebron to validate a goshdarn thing. The man is one of the greatest players to ever play this game (per the Logo himself) and has 4 championship rings with possibly more to come. He has worked his ass off to perfect his craft over the years and is dedicated to this game like very few other players.

He has carried this Laker team at times when we should've been at the top of the lottery with players like Smush and Kwame. He has saved our asses countless times with game-winning shots and shut-down defense. He took all the heat over the Shaq trade when in fact (in hindsight) we know he wasn't fully to blame.

Now this fool wants people to believe that Lebron will somehow "validate" all of Kobe's accomplishments...Dude, you're f'ing insane.

Kobe is a HOF player who has validated his own career. The only people who would benefit from Kobe/Lebron finals is Nike and Stern. I'm sure both players would love to play each other simply because they're competitive but don't discard what Kobe has done by making such an assinine comment. Lebron needs to beat Kobe to back up what the media has given him...royalty status where none is warranted. Players are defined by the playoff wins and legacies they leave behind. I highly doubt people will remember that he led his team to the best regular season 3 years in a row after such epic collapses in the playoffs. I can't even tell you how many regular season wins the Lakers had during their championship years because it doesn't matter.

Ok I'm done venting now...back to my coffee. I am seriously heated.

MM,

I'd much rather see the Lakers stomp the Celtics than beat the Cavs or Magic. The Green Geezers will have their hands full with the Magic though.

Morning Mamba- 2 down ... 2 to go! Posted by: 131-92 | May 14, 2010 at 06:40 AM
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131 I give you & your team all the props in the world. You called it & talked the talk and they walked the walk. I now revise my prediction of Celtics in 6 over Magic. I now say Celtics in 5. 131 this is going to be a great finals. Just tell your boys to watch out for Supermans Elbows. I think Big Baby can take him. I bet the Captain & Doc were happy last night. Enjoy your victory 131, see you in The Finals.

That is the biggest bunch of B.S. I've ever read. Lebron may need to face Kobe to validate his "King" title or his "Jordanesque" comparisons but Kobe doesn't need to face Lebron to validate a goshdarn thing. Ok I'm done venting now...back to my coffee. I am seriously heated.Posted by: EastCoastJessie | May 14, 2010 at 06:47 AM
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OOOOOOOOOH WEEEEEEEEEE!!
THE FIRE, THE PASSION!!! PREACH MY LATINA PRINCESS, PREACH!!
But uh Jessie...I don't think you need any more Coffee. Lol.
If you ever need a lawyer to plead your case, WHO YOU GONE CALL?...EASTCOASTJESSIE!!!...YOU DAMN RIGHT!!!
Mamba24

LOL Mamba...thanks! Always very passionate about what I believe and stand for. I really used to like this guy's articles but now I see he's just another idiot. Ugh!

Rick says (very well):


"It is no secret that I had literally been praying for James’ humiliation. It permeated my blog posts for days. It adorned my Facebook page. I was sure James was a pretender, not a contender. I was offended by all the hype. When he crumbled in Game 5 against Boston, I could smell blood in the water like a shark ready for feeding. Joy O Joy! Yes, a five course feast was about to be served up on a Game 6 silver platter.


The TV was my banquet table. The participants of the live blog chat were my dinner guests. LeBron’s humiliation was the main course. I was insatiable. So were most of my guests.


As my delightful pound of flesh was consumed, something started gnawing at me. I had turned into a monster; this wasn’t me. I worried about my karma. By the time the dessert of the press conference was served, I was starting to feel guilty. My rage of hate quickly dissipated at the sight of LeBron’s stunning humiliation.


As I put down the dessert spoon, the epiphany set in that I didn’t hate the man. I hated the Myth. I hated the absurd storyline that had been relentlessly jammed down my throat. Now, in James’ glorious moment of humiliation, his humanity was restored. So was my own.


Posted by: Rick Friedman | May 14, 2010 at 06:18 AM"


Yep. I agree. But I felt something like agony as I watched LeBron fall short. Maybe it's just me, but I feel for other people. I felt zero joy last night seeing LeBron's dreams get smashed like that. And, his game last night was amazing. Anyone see his stats? The problem--the BIG problem--is LeBron is going thru the same thing Kobe went thru with MJ. Everyone is looking at how Kobe dominats the ends of games and they expect LeBron (unfairly) to have similar results.


Kobe might be the greatest closer in NBA history, and why does LeBron have to live up to that?


Now, put LeBron on the court with my Lakers, and the sympathy vanishes.


wes

LOL Mamba...thanks! Always very passionate about what I believe and stand for. I really used to like this guy's articles but now I see he's just another idiot. Ugh! Posted by: EastCoastJessie | May 14, 2010 at 06:59 AM
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My pleasure Mam. In all sincerity, I can see you are going to make a great Lawyer Jessie. Now back to work.
Mamba24

Yep. I agree. But I felt something like agony as I watched LeBron fall short. Maybe it's just me, but I feel for other people. I felt zero joy last night seeing LeBron's dreams get smashed like that. Posted by: wesjoenixon | May 14, 2010 at 07:02 AM
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WTF! Frak Princess Jimmy, that stuck up lil punk. If he wasn't so smug and felt so entitled I probably would have felt some compassion for him also. But I'm not going to lie I felt one emotion. FREAKIN JOY that the lil Punk got embarassed. Kobe came in the League and everyone complained when comparisons were made between him and Jordan. But this lil brat steps straight out of High school and is declared the greatest to ever play the game. FRak Princess Jimmy. Some on this Blog say they dislike him but would take him in a minute if he became a Laker. Me..I would have to change my team allegiance, that's how strongly I feel about him. He's nothing but a freakin quiter who piles up flashy stats when they don't mean a damn thing.
Mamba24

Mamba-

Ill keep mine at 6 gaames. Dont want to get too cocky and have karma come back and bite me in the A$$. If they will they will have to close it out at home. Hopefully the giant green bald headed lunatic will make the difference this year!

Hopefully KB Blitz and LTILF will pick the Magic over the Celtics. They cant pick their A$$ with both hands.

Larry,


Take a step back from the ledge. LeBron seems like a pretty nice guy. Hitler, Charles Manson, Sarah Palin, these are the creatures to be afraid of. LeBron, ehhh....


Wes

After watching last night's game, this whole conversation seems a bit moot. Doc Rivers reinforced EVERY time out with 'teamwork.' It is this teamwork that won our titles early in the 2000s and lost them to the Pistons, (and Spurs, and Suns...). When the Lakers, or any other team with great individual talent, play as a team and execute, they win. Kobe and LeBron both need more than their individual talents to win. Oh, and Kobe looks nothing like ol' man Jordan did in a Wizards uniform so we have a few more great years to come. Let's not put any nails in his coffin just yet.

I hate this long break between series. I can only think it hurts the home team more since there is more pressure to win at home and they will likely come out a little rusty. I guess its up to Phil to keep 'em sharp. Hopefully the rest will recharge their batteries. Sounds like another break between games 2 and 3 so maybe it'll even out. I say Lakers in 5. We are a nightmare match-up for Phoenix.

Hopefully KB Blitz and LTILF will pick the Magic over the Celtics. They cant pick their A$$ with both hands. Posted by: 131-92 | May 14, 2010 at 07:12 AM
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Now see! You were doing so well and then you had to let loose with a zinger. You'll have all the time in the world in the Finals for those. For now just enjoy proving all the critics including myself wrong. Enjoy it 131 cause, THE LAKERS ARE COMING FOR YOUR TEAM! We got revenge on the mind and there will be no stopping us. But until then:
BEAT THE MAGIC BEAT THE MAGIC clap clap clap clap clap.
Mamba24

News, by its definition, must deal with the here and now. However, I do disagree with much of your story.

Legacies are built based on a completed body of work. Not only is Kobe's not finished yet, but neither is Orlando's. If Orlando remains a force in the league for the next 5-7 years, then this era could be Orlando, with the Lakers slowly sinking during that time - see the Lakers in the late 80's and Detroit. Lebron, in that situation, would become somewhat of a footnote - regardless what we are saying today, unless he pulls a Chicago of the 90's.

It is all based on what happens in the next 5-7 years, not what is going on today. That's kind of tough for today's news cycle, but history is like that.

I would of loved to see Kobe vs. Lebron, BUT because Shaq whom I hate for trying to bash Kobe was on Cleveland side I rooted against the Cav's from the first day they traded for him. Shaq tried to ride another young star to a championship and I for one am glad it failed for him once again......Go Lakeshow...............

Take a step back from the ledge. LeBron seems like a pretty nice guy. Hitler, Charles Manson, Sarah Palin, these are the creatures to be afraid of. LeBron, ehhh....Posted by: wesjoenixon | May 14, 2010 at 07:14 AM
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TOUCHE SIR! Perhaps I was just a tad over enthusiastic. I shall take your lecture to heart and try to moderate these beastly feelings. Thank you!:-)
Mamba24

How could someone with four rings and counting need someone with no rings?!!! Absurd!!!

Now all the so called experts(including Magic Johnson)that picked LBJ and the Cavs to win it all are making every excuse in the book for LeBron. After declaring that LBJ finally has a worthy supporting cast to win it all, the experts once again give him an out by saying that James' supporting cast isn't as good as they thought or they compare them to what Boston and LA has. They also bring up the elbow injury and so on and so on. All the talk on ESPN and everywhere else now is where is LBJ going now? I for one don't care where he ends up. I really thought that the media really disrespected what the Celtics did and how they just whupped the so called best team in the NBA.

Watching firsttake, it just cracked me up how they continued to shoot down comparisons between James and Jordan when James can't compare to Kobe right now. Only Avery Johnson had the guts to say on the Mike and Mike show that until Kobe retires, Kobe will the league's real MVP.

Wes,

Nice to see a little sanity.

Morning RDlee. I tend to agree with you, I hate these long layoffs, especially when they had just started really clicking and getting in sync. But don't forget the Suns were red hot also and they had just as long a layoff. My mind says you are right with Lakers in 5 but my heart says SWEEEEEEEEEP!!!
Mamba24

Watching firsttake, it just cracked me up how they continued to shoot down comparisons between James and Jordan when James can't compare to Kobe right now. Only Avery Johnson had the guts to say on the Mike and Mike show that until Kobe retires, Kobe will the league's real MVP. Posted by: Nemaia Faletogo | May 14, 2010 at 07:24 AM
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Yeah I was listening to Avery too and cranked the radio up so everybody could hear it ansd suddenly Avery Johnson the lil General is everybodys favorite coach. One thing you can say about him, he speaks his mind and does not toe to the company line like Barkley who supposedly is so frank.
Mamba24

ARE YOU AFRAID?
Who’s afraid of the big bad Nash, Not the Lakers on whom I bet my Cash
Does the thought of Amare elicit fear, Ask the Thrillah he just threw a jeer
Nash is this and Nash is that, But Nash never had on a championship hat
Sure lil Stevie can run & gun, but DFish will leave Stevies other eye stunned
Amare’s not a true center you know, By his @zz Pau & the Beast will Blow
Channing Frye does that cause fear, Not even if I drink 24 beers
Leandro Barbosa what is that, The machine will give his but a swat
Jason Richardson with his old@zz, don’t think LO will give him a pass
And Yes we have the great Grant Hill, A Kobe wannabe he is still.
So what the Frak have the Suns got, I think that they have not

Sorry Mamba but who could ever forget this shoutout ...

Hey where are you Let's go C's!, RED'S LOVE CHILD, and 131-92??

Didn't I say to worry about Cleveland and talk trash to them more on the forums rather than us who at the very least got the 1st seed in the West? Now you boys are paying the price muhahahaha!

As much as I want the Celtics to win so we can kick your butts in the finals can't resist giving jabs to your old men save for Rondo. Paula Stabbed Pierce isn't going to get out of this way with no Posey and Jesus Shuttleworth well he got blame instead of game. KAAYY GGGEEE is beginning to be a grumpy old man. And wasn't SHEEEED supposed to help out in the playoffs but now Doc Rivers is thinking of benching him for Shelden Walliams. ROFL!

Even our Ron Ron is helping us a ton with locking down Durant whom Garnett was crying about him being treated like Michael bleeping Jordan. LOL!

Enjoy your AARP's you three and remember: RASHEED MUST BLEED. Any more jabs? :)

Posted by: KB Blitz | May 03, 2010 at 04:30 PM

I can read this all day long ... LOL!!!

@Rick Freidman


Great post, Rick, we could all use a wee bit O humanity

Does Kobe need LeBron? Yes – on the same team. Even if the Lakers win the championship this year, they can’t afford to stand pat. (Mitch knows this: hence, Artest replacing Ariza.) It’s going to get harder and harder to get past teams such as the Thunder and Blazers with what the Lakers have now. LeBron’s going to want to go to a big-market city. If the Cavs know they’re going to lose him, won’t they want to get something in return via a sign-and-trade? And what do New York and Chicago have to offer? Not much. The Lakers, on the other hand, could offer Bynum and Artest. (And let’s not forget that LeBron recently professed a fondness for the triangle offense.) Would Kobe be willing to share the spotlight? Possibly – if it means two or three more titles.

I can read this all day long ... LOL!!! Posted by: 131-92 | May 14, 2010 at 07:43 AM
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Red I think you are a hustler, you set me up for that. Lol!
Mamba24

No, we don't want your enthusiasm curbed Larry, we need that. I just think the LeBron thing is a media-made storm, and, uh, I don't know. I want blood too Larry, but I want Celtic blood or Matt Barnes blood. LeBron is Kobe's sidekick, his puppet-in-arms. I mean, how can we hate Kobe's housemate? What about Lil Dez?


Wes

Does Kobe need LeBron? Yes – on the same team. Posted by: Allnet | May 14, 2010 at 07:44 AM
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Darth Stern would never let that happen. Too much star power on one team. Plus you have to have that East, West rivalry which is why he loosened the rules a few years ago to make it easier for teams to acquire players because the West was becoming too dominant. But it still didn't work. All of the stars exept for Lebron are in the West where the games come on too late for the Rest of the country so the rest of the country has to watch the sorry East games. If Lebron was to go to the West also there would really be no reason to watch eastern conference Basketball. After MJ retired the East just went to hell.

LeBron is Kobe's sidekick, his puppet-in-arms. I mean, how can we hate Kobe's housemate? What about Lil Dez? Posted by: wesjoenixon | May 14, 2010 at 07:49 AM
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LMAO!! OK, OK, the voice of reason has spoken and I agree sir. Lol!
Mamba24

I think what separates Kobe and Lebron the most was on full display last night in the last minutes of the game. Lebron was not demanding the ball or trying to take over the game. Kobe would have won the game for his team or gone down trying. We've seen it numerous times. Lakers down by 5 or 6 and Kobe goes wild either winning it himself or setting up Fisher to take the winning shot by drawing the defense away. Lebron and his team just took their medicine. That is the difference between Kobe and Lebron. James is a huge talent but too this point doesn't have that killer instinct. Kobe is an assassin. He may not win every game or even have is A game, but he never quits.

@Zaira: "I get this bloke wants painfully to believe Kobe is ready to go away, but he's as blind as Fortune, and without her grace I must say."

That is the most eloquant smack-down I think I've heard on this blog, ever! LTLF, your last smack on that dude in the other thread was just brutal, though! I didn't forget abut you. But Zaira's is sublime.

@Zaira: "Maybe you just need to stick this into your unaware brain:

Kobe unhealthy >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> LeBronze's in his losering Prime."

Beautiful! Keep 'em coming, girl!

@Zaira: "BSPN are really best comedy show around.

Let's campaign for Betty White to host them shows too.

I'm sure the Glorious Betty gets more about basketball then Markazi, anyway.

>>>> ESPN. Where denial runs rampant.<<<<"

That was brilliant! You are on fire! FIRE!!!

Great post. My heart waits for your next post!

--FEARless

"Kobe needs LeBron and LeBron needs Kobe" ?? Back the eff up dude (not you, MM). Kobe does not need anybody. Not Shaq and most def not Queen James. Kobe's already proven that with rings. Nothing to see here, move along. Whereas Kobe is willing to shoulder the responsibilities of being a leader, it's all an act with Queen James because Lebron is only interested in Lebron. He is just a figment of Nike's marketing imagination and boy did his stock just take a nose dive after the Cleveland collapse. One more thing: is it me or did it seem like Queen James was trying too hard to congratulate the Geriatrics? Playing up to the media? Lookame, I'm Lebron and I can shake hands!
L-Ebronics says Go, Lakers!

Rick - don't feel guilty

when Durant was propped against Kobe a few days ago, he came out and said: Kobe is the best. he was the one who shot down the media. modest.

Le None was never modest. on the opposite. naively he really bought into the hype and blow it up himself. he has no excuses. there is nothing human about him. every moment of humiliation is well deserved. and it will come more and more.

Le None does not need a supporting cast. HE has to be the supporting cast. He and Pau Gasol. they r the same. and now NBA started to blow Pau up. go to the video section. with LO being the second fiddle. after you listen to LO talking about the numbers, i''m not surprised that he NEVER got it.

i have a deadline at midnight. going to sleep so i can finish the project. i will get back at ya all with all the responses. enjoy

the KING is dead. long live the KING

LEBRON IS JUST A GUY BEING GIVEN THE KEYS TO A CAR HE DOESN'T KNOW HOW TO DRIVE YET.

KOBE'S STILL IN THE DRIVER'S SEAT UNTIL HE FINALLY CHOOSES TO LET THE PASSENGER DRIVE. IN THE MEANTIME LEBRON, STAY IN YOUR LANE.

Lebron and his team just took their medicine. That is the difference between Kobe and Lebron. James is a huge talent but too this point doesn't have that killer instinct. Kobe is an assassin. He may not win every game or even have is A game, but he never quits.

Posted by: steve

great post. one small correction on my view:

Lebron and his team just took their medicine.

Lebron and his team just took HIS medicine. (they r all drinking his cool aid)

MM

as much as i did not read your post, because i've seen AERKAZXXI's whatever's name on it (and i just came to the blog from the comments on the ESPN blog of that article - so i knew what the article is) my criticism is regarding the fact that you r bringing up such a piece of trash for us to discuss it. by now, you should know how the blog feels about KOBE vs. the world.

do you write for us or against US? maybe you should think about it. it's is our blog. and you need bloggers. and i'm not talking only about myself.

so i apologize that i did not read your take on it, but i do not apologize for seeing the name of that moron's drivel on the page. after having such a great night.

Before thinking of the Celtic Leprechauns, let us deal with the Nashty Suns. I share with Rick F. initial observation that this is not a piece of cupcake of another sweep, it could go both ways because the Suns found their bearing in the playoffs. Their 2nd unit are far more superior than ours unless proven otherwise in this encounter. We are tall and they have the speed, their PG is a real PG who could penetrate, facilitate, and shoot lights out from the perimeter. Our PG's are patch-up jobs who are all shoot first mentality before going for assist. However, they don't have the luxury of skyscrapers who could lord the air. We are the mighty equivalent of US Air Force who will have the air superiority of triple towers and a herculean Artest. If those 4 guys get into a groove, we are unbeatable with the real Lord of the Rings, Kobe.

What an irony how scribes picked their MVP b2b first with Nashty then King James who have not earned legitimate rings whether it is NBA or a college degree ring. They are the darling of another analyst, Sir Charles a HOF'er who has no rings as well. I guess rings are accomplished through action of finishing opponents instead just plain talk of fantasizing.

PS. Thanks MM for your delayed reactions last night in weeding the undesirables. Undoubtedly, we enjoy the freedom to speak up but some people are not ready to assume that responsibility cuz' they still need a babysitter like a 2 year old child to be watched at all times.

LEBRON IS JUST A GUY BEING GIVEN THE KEYS TO A CAR HE DOESN'T KNOW HOW TO DRIVE YET. KOBE'S STILL IN THE DRIVER'S SEAT UNTIL HE FINALLY CHOOSES TO LET THE PASSENGER DRIVE. IN THE MEANTIME LEBRON, STAY IN YOUR LANE. Posted by: EastCoastJessie | May 14, 2010 at 08:14 AM
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Tell the truth EastCoast, you went and got another cup of coffee didn't you? Lol! By the way...OUT FREAKIN STANDING JESSIE!
MAMBA24

ouchhhh,

I don't get all the criticism of this article, especially criticizing an article you don't even read first.
Mark puts up an article that is controversial, so what.
He wanted to generate conversation.
It worked.

Is he only supposed to publish stuff saying how great Kobe is or how great the Lakers are?

Wouldn't that get boring? Who would want to keep coming here then?

I see nothing wrong with MM putting stuff out there that might generate some controversy and discussion.

As a matter of fact, I prefer it.

ouchhh,

Just to clarify, what I mean is if you want to criticize or debate the content of the article or stuff MM posted, as others have done, that makes sense.
But to kill the messenger who is just trying to generate discussion?

The cavs were eliminated by the celts and I felt great just because the cavs behaved like they already got a few championships with their antics before games like posing for pictures, hitting the baseball, etc.... They truly deserved their fate.

Come on Folks, Stop it, STOP IT! When we were about to play UTAH everybody was woe is me, UTAH is going to be tough. Even Derrick Fisher, God bless him, rattled off how tough the Jazz was going to be. Then what happened. THE FREAKIN LAKERS happened. Everybody said the Cavs were so dangerous
what happened, a team that didn't subscribe to the BS. Phoenix is nothing. This team in no way compares to the DAntoni SUns. We will utterly destroy the suns. Why?
1. We are THE FREAKIN LA LAKERS. 2. We are the Best Team in the NBA. 3. Revenge is a powerful stimulant. 4. We got Kobe Freakin Byant. 5. We got Phil Freakin Jackson. 6. We are the DEFENDING WORLD CHAMPIONS. 7. This one is personal. 8.Amarae can't guard either Pau or Bynum. 8.Our 1 Time MVP is better than their 2 time MVP. 9. 10 Rings is gonna retire after this. 10. This will give Kobe 5 Rings the same as Magic. IS THAT ENOUGH RASONS FOR YOU HUH? Lol!

POTD goes to Rick Friedman! Wow - that was spot on, elegant and entertaining.

Now we have 4 real teams left and the only royalty I see is PURPLE & GOLD!

You know the Lakers were watching the game as well - do you think they heard Doc Rivers timeout speech? TEAMWORK. That's going to get it done and can't wait to see it unfold.

GO LAKERS! 8 down. 8 to go!

I know, I know "Reasons". Lol

I see nothing wrong with MM putting stuff out there that might generate some controversy and discussion.

As a matter of fact, I prefer it.

Posted by: Art-FL Laker Fan | May 14, 2010 at 08:40 AM

I always say, give me the truth no matter what, unless it hurts, then lie to me.


But still, I like honesty in my sports. I LOVED it when Chick pissed off the whole Laker team by giving a halftime speech in which he famously yelled, "Come on lakers, you're playig like dogs!" Anyone remember what game that was, BTW? It had to have been a special game because Chick was giving a halftime speech...Hmmm...


Wes

LAKER NATION: PSYCHED LAKER GIRL IN THE HOOOOOOOOUSE!
Good Morning Psyched, we missed you.
Mamba24

the KING is dead. long live the KING Posted by: ouchhhhhhhh | May 14, 2010 at 08:13 AM
SO SAY WE ALL!
LET IT BE SAID, LET IT BE WRITTEN, LEY IT BE DONE!

Here is the way I look at it based on strength in comparing WCF contingents:

LAKERS/SUNS

Kobe/Nash - advantage Kobe
Amare/Pau - about the same
Richardson/Artest - ?
Hill/Odom - Odom
Bynum/Frye - about the same Bynum on the inside and Frye on the outside

Brown/Dragic - based on season it's Brown, based on playoffs it's Dragic
Walton/Dudley - Dudley
Farmar/Barbosa - Barbosa
Amundson/Powell - Powell
Lopez/Mbenga - Mbenga (if we're talking of martial arts lol!)

Not based on position but on the order of ranking of players.

"My mind says you are right with Lakers in 5 but my heart says SWEEEEEEEEEP!!!
Mamba24

Posted by: MAMAB24 | May 14, 2010 at 07:27 AM"

I'M WITH YOU ON THIS ONE LARRY, MY HEART SAYS "WE ARE GOING TO SWEEP THE SUNS!!!!"

You can quote me on that, WE WILL SWEEP THE SUNS. I don't care how good the suns are playing lately. Kobe didn't forget 2006 & 2007.

Lakers will crush the Suns.


LAKERS ALL DAY!!!

In short summary, yes, the hype has been lowered towards any future Kobe-LeBron matchups, which I personally think will not happen in the Finals.

I don't have time today to write a Secret Agent Report, but I will say that even if LeBron James returns to Cleveland, the honeymoon period is over.

These five years of being teased by "Will I Stay Or Will I Go?" people had the last straw last night. It's felt that he needs to back up his talk and showboating with wins when it matters.

People are just tired of it and many people last night expressed concerns that he is not the player he has been hyped to be.

What do we play for? RINGS!!!

Lakers Today... Lakers Tomorrow... Lakers Forever.

GO LAKERS!!!!

Is it game day yet?

What do we play for? RINGS!!!

Lakers Today... Lakers Tomorrow... Lakers Forever.

GO LAKERS!!!!

Hey guys,

Lots of great points. And as some mentioned, I was just using this as a launching pad toward discussion. In fairness to Arash's article on ESPN Los Angeles, I don't think he's criticizing Kobe. His sentences saying Kobe needs LeBron, he's talking about the perception. I think he makes it painstakingly clear that Kobe so far has a better legacy.

MM

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LAKERS SWEEP SUNS - BANDWAGON
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(01) JOBVBATZ44 - OWNER - You can quote me on that, WE WILL SWEEP THE SUNS. I don't care how good the suns are playing lately. Kobe didn't forget 2006 & 2007. Lakers will crush the Suns.
(02) MAMBA24 - DRIVER - My mind says Lakers in 5, but my heart says SWEEEEEEEEEP!!!
(03)
(04)

Art-FL Laker Fan

i consider that this blog has certain standards. because of many people who r knowledgeable and INFORMED. also we know where to find the CRAP. it does not have to be brought to us.

exactly how we don't care about Simmers and Plashy most of US do not care about ESPN. last night i went there to see what they r chocking on. i read the ARTICLE on the ESPN site. i read the comments. I even found Rick Friedman's comment puking in a porcelain bowl after reading IT.

so what i'm saying, as the brits will put it

RUBBISH

how come MM never brings a reference/link from Adrian W. from Yahoo sports? maybe you should ask him. it is what i mean by biased. but maybe you r not one of the INFORMED ones. obviously this piece was a novelty 4 U. or maybe you enjoy debating rubbish.

it's just my opinion. this ESPN article is beyond ridiculous. it's almost like saying that some scientist does not deserve accolades or his Nobel because other scientist were sleeping in their labs and could not come up with nothing new. so let's not give credit and erase the legacy of the one who revolutionized a field in his times. and you can make similar associations in any field.

regardless of the names he compares the premiss of his point it's totally stupid. (not MM - the ESPN guy) unfortunately, MM made an easy choice to change the post that was invaded by REAL sad trolls. OK, he deserves a pass. only this time. :-)

Now it's time to stop comparing LeBron to Kobe. Kobe is a champion. LeBron is not. End of comparison.

And let's take the "King" nickname away from LeBron while we're at it.

Last night's Cleveland loss was embarassing. I personally don't care where LeBron goes, as long as he just goes.

@OUCHHH, Sir you are on...FIIIIIIIIIIIRRRRRRRRRRRREEEEEEE!!!
MAMBA24

how about that moment when Shaq flattened Perkins?

Last night's Cleveland loss was embarassing. I personally don't care where LeBron goes, as long as he just goes. Posted by: Rob in L.A. | May 14, 2010 at 09:09 AM
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SO SIMPLE, SO TO THE POINT, SO TRUE!!!!!

HEY JON K, WHAT DO WE PLAY FOR?

how about that moment when Shaq flattened Perkins? Posted by: ouchhhhhhhh | May 14, 2010 at 09:10 AM
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OUCCCHHH, OUCCCCHHH, OUCHHHHHHH!!!

>>>>Hopefully KB Blitz and LTILF will pick the Magic over the Celtics.

Not a chance. It's funny, but I've been posting both to you and Red's Bastard Child all season that I'll see you in the finals... and I MEANT IT. If you want to be the best, you've got to beat the best. A faceoff of the last two champions with their rosters mostly the same is the best possible situation.

>>>>They cant pick their A$$ with both hands.

No, I can't. I leave that pastime for Celtics fans.

@ROB IN LA, OH sorry...OUT FREAKIN STANDING SIR!!!!!

Yeah, the problem is that Kobe's legacy so far is leaps and bounds above Lebron, not just "better".

>>>>They cant pick their A$$ with both hands. No, I can't. I leave that pastime for Celtics fans. Posted by: LongTimeLakerFan | May 14, 2010 at 09:14 AM
ROFLMAO!!! TELL IT LONG TIME!!!!!

So right about now I'm thinking of an old joke about two bulls standing on top of a hill (I'll keep it clean, but I'm sure you can guess the original).

Two bulls, one old and one young, are standing on a hill and they see a herd of cows down below.

The young bull says, "HEY! Let's run down the hill and "love" a cow!"

The old bull says, "No. Let's WALK down the hill and "love" ALL the cows."

----

Cleveland (and to a lesser extent Orlando are like the young bulls). Boston and the Lakers are like the old bulls.

Yeah, the problem is that Kobe's legacy so far is leaps and bounds above Lebron, not just "better".Posted by: EastCoastJessie | May 14, 2010 at 09:15 AM
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There's one other problem Princess, Lebron has no Freakin Legacy!

Cleveland (and to a lesser extent Orlando are like the young bulls). Boston and the Lakers are like the old bulls.Posted by: LongTimeLakerFan | May 14, 2010 at 09:17 AM
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Deep LTLF, very DEEP!

>>>His sentences saying Kobe needs LeBron, he's talking about the perception.

Yep, I agree. The better your opponent, the better the reputation if you defeat them.

David isn't famous because he beat up a midget. He's famous because he beat up a GIANT.

If the rest of Kobe's rings were to come against a young Orlando team, or say Chicago or Atlanta breaks through, then he'll have a certain level of notoriety. But beating LeBron in the finals would raise his stature to another level.

Part of Magic's and Bird's mystique is that they battled each other in the finals several times. If they had never played in the finals - if Magic had beat Atlanta then Bird had beat Portland then Magic had beat Detroit then Bird had beat Phoenix, or something like that, Magic and Bird wouldn't have the legendary status they have.

There's one other problem Princess, Lebron has no Freakin Legacy!

Posted by: MAMBA24 | May 14, 2010 at 09:17 AM


Technically he does Mamba...he made all of Cleveland witnesses to nothing...that's gotta count for something. We're all witnesses to how he choked in the playoffs...AGAIN!

 
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