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Phil Jackson suggests Kevin Garnett played too physical against Dwight Howard

The Lakers may be downplaying their rivalry with Boston and saying they'd be happy meeting any opponent in the NBA Finals, so don't expect too many zingers and insults leading up to  Game 1 on Thursday.

Of course, Lakers Coach Phil Jackson fits the exception. In a question related to the teams' toughness, Jackson acknowledged the contrast between the Lakers' and Celtics' physical makeups, saying, "We don't have a smackdown mentality." He then riffed on Boston forward Kevin Garnett for what Jackson perceived as playing a little too rough against Orlando center Dwight Howard in the Celtics' six-game East finals victory over the Magic.

"He was smacking Howard's arm and finally was called for an offensive foul," Jackson said of Garnett in Game 6. "That's not our kind of team. We don't go out there to smack people around."

Jackson rarely goes through a playoff series without picking on an opposing player. He first suggested Oklahoma City forward Kevin Durant receives favorable treatment from officials and then recently accused Phoenix guard Steve Nash of carrying the ball. That ball is now in Garnett's court. Regardless of how Garnett responds -- whether in anger, with an insult toward Jackson or indifference -- Jackson surely will act confused over the scuffle he created. So stay tuned.

One player apparently immune from Jackson's zingers is Boston center Kendrick Perkins. With Perkins being one technical foul away from drawing a one-game suspension, I asked whether Jackson had suggested to his team with extra emphasis  the idea of frustrating Perkins and perhaps baiting him to get another technical so the Lakers don't have to worry about him for one of the games. He shot that strategy down, but lamented the league's rule that seven technical fouls in the postseason result in a suspension.

"Those things I think should be wiped out, flagrant fouls, technical fouls," Jackson said. "It just means the longer you've been in the playoffs, the more penalized you are."

--Mark Medina

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Fatty: "That would be the greatest payback or revenge, that they could live with. Remembering the loss of the finals to the hated Lakers in 2010. The Celtics last Finals appearance for many years to come."

The Keltics had to live with the 1987 Loss to LA & 1985 Loss to LA after wining in 1984. That's 25 years Keltics fans had to live with their Defeat!

Here's to another 25 years of Keltics' misery!!!

GO LAKERS!!! ONE, TWO, THREE, DOMINATE!!!

bspn.com had a rhetorical question on their nba page and it sort of reached me; 'who guards Kobe?' my first question was hey, why didn't FCM make this a poll question? Then I realized;

BWAHAHAHAHA!

IF I WERE A TROLL ON CELTIC'S BLOG . . .

I would crawl in and scribble on the Team Whiteboard...

"You have no idea what is coming! Laker's DEFENSE is something you won't recognize until it is too late."

Mike

Sorry Phil, those mind games don't work on us. Get ready to get smacked around. Howard is the dirtiest player in the league, and couldn't cover KG on his best day. No one is buying that vomit you spew.

Celtics in 6 - AGAIN!!

"BWAHAHAHAHA!"

I call shotgun on that bandwagon.

I don't think it's exactly breaking news that KG is a dirty player.

More than anything, Phil should really draw the refs' attention to Boston's moving screens. Boston's entire offense is pretty much predicated on illegal moving screens - whether in the pick-n-roll or screens to free up Ray Allen. If the refs crack down on that, Boston's offense should take a big hit.

I can't imagine going through what Jerry West and the Lakers had to endure during their decade long rivalry with the Celtics. Here's a taste from Hoops Hype:


"STAR POWER VS. TEAM PLAY

The numbers would have been rough for any ordinary Joe, so try to imagine what they have meant to an intensely competitive perfectionist like West. Between April 1962 and May 1969, the Celtics defeated the Lakers six times in seven calendar years.


“He was then, and still remains, the single most revered Celtic opponent of all time,” longtime Boston Globe columnist Bob Ryan said of West. “No Celtic opponent has ever had more fans wishing he would switch uniforms, and that includes Michael Jordan. ‘Noble’ doesn’t begin to describe the level and style of his performances against the Celtics in the ’60s. His L.A. teams lost Finals series to Boston in ‘62, ‘63, ‘65, ‘66, ‘68, and ‘69. His scoring averages in those six series were 31, 29, 34, 35, 32, and 38.”


That's enough to make you crazy, and it's twice as badas the Bills had it. Wow.


Wes

Wes . . .

Thanks for paying homage to Mr. Clutch. So appropriate that you do so on Memorial Day.

Mike

That means 3 times in that decade West/Lakers had back to back losses in the finals, and all to the Celtics. Uggg. It's payback time. I really didn't know it was that bad. We need to get one back for Jerry.


Wes

It's not KG setting illegal screens, it's Perkins. Way to watch the games, man!!

Howard is the dirtiest player in the league.

KG has never elbowed Luis Scola in the chest, elbowed Ron Artest in the throat, or gone into the stands after a fan.

I don't think it's exactly breaking news that KG is a dirty player.

More than anything, Phil should really draw the refs' attention to Boston's moving screens. Boston's entire offense is pretty much predicated on illegal moving screens - whether in the pick-n-roll or screens to free up Ray Allen. If the refs crack down on that, Boston's offense should take a big hit.

Posted by: EJK | May 31, 2010 at 08:16 PM
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DFish is one of the best on 'selling' those illegal screens to the officials.

not apropos of the discussion at hand, but that's probably appropriate, my Simpsons quote of the day;

[Krusty the Clown]: Hey kid

[Bart]: What, you don’t recognize me? Hey, I cleared you of a robbery charge. I reunited you with your father and resurrected your career!’

[Krusty]: But what have you done for me lately?

[Bart]: I just got you that Danish

[Krusty] (smiles benevolently): And I’ll never forget it.

Kevin Garnett is the master of the illegal screen. There isn't anything right or wrong about it, if they don't call it, it's not your fault. I mean, Pau Gasol does textbook screens. He plants his feet, puts his arms down and stands stock still. It doesn't come up a lot, because we don't run it that often, and it's not really something (at least judging from the comments around here, which generally list all of Pau's real or imagined faults in great detail), that gets noticed. KG and the Celtics? Huge part of their game. It would, frankly, be unfair of the refs to start calling it now, as they never have in the past and the Celtics have learned that it's ok, apparently.

But Derek Fisher draws fouls. That, along with clutch shots, is what he does. It's like a mongoose catching cobras, Willie Mays catching a fly ball, or Celtics fans reminiscing about games that happened forty years ago, they just can't help it.

Thanks for confirming what we all know, Phil. Your Lakers are soft and can't handle physical play. That's why you need to lobby the refs, if Boston is allowed to play their game, you lose and you know it.

Getting inside KG's head is about as hard as getting inside a ziplock baggie, esp for someone like PJ.

I can't wait to see PP wet his pants when Artest stuffs him.......

"Mommy, mommy, I want my mommy!"

because it's appropriate, i'll repost this vid from DrewPauKobe on FB&G:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2xog3QvczYg

hey, for anybody who complains about FCM's attempts at impartiality and the occasional (not often enough, probably) acknowledgment of the other teams who occasionally play, to give us a break from attacking our own, here is a link (thanks K Bros) to Chuck Rosen's article, which illustrates in great detail how you can be waaaaay to optimistic. I say this as a Laker fan, who makes no pretense at being impartial.

http://msn.foxsports.com/nba/story/lakers-celtics-nba-finals-matchups-53010

apparently Rondo is the only player on the Celtics who even comes close to being a match up for us. I have no idea how Chuckie thinks the Celtics even go to the Finals.

(according to Rosen) KG is injured and washed up, Paul Pierce is a shell of his former (doesn't say how former, must be at least a couple games previous) self, and (don't look, LakerTom) Perkins is the only Celtic who can win his matchup, but only if Andrew is less than healthy. And if Pau is matched up with Perkins, Perk loses that one too. Man, I'm not sure why we even bother to play.

People don't have love for Dr. Dre, Snoop Dogg, and the Lakers? You don't love us? You don't love us! Well let it be known!

I don't know, sometimes the guys who write basketball articles remind me of Ph D candidates picking their dissertation topic 1) has anyone else written about before? 2) Can I sell it to the audience? and 3) (or later) Do I know anything about it?

Ok, i might be overstating it a bit. I don't think 1) stops anybody, from what i've read.

phred - 40 years ago? That would be 2008, right? 131-92, right?

Perkins sets the illegal screens, not KG.

Who is Rosen? Another Ted Green?

Keep underestimating us, we love it!!

Phil is obviously right, you can't win if the refs are with the Celtics too. Like game 2 of 2008 Finals, tell me if that game wasn't fixed? I counted at least 10 fouls that wasn't called in the first half !!! How can you win when the refs are calling all the touch fouls on the Lakers and nothing on bumping, slapping, and pushing Celtics?

Dave M,

>>> Hopefully it'll help. I'm not sure about comparing Kobe's situation... you can't really compare any of his injuries and how they affect him, to anyone else. Dude is not human that way.

Dude is not human, period. He is a cyborg.

Meanwhile, with PJ's comment, it is *officially* "on."

We're at the point where I can't image what it's like to be one of the Lakers. My anxiety is through the roof, my obsession drives me back here at least once every couple of hours. The anticipation is killing me. The long break between games is essential for guys like Kobe and Andrew, but it's pretty much making me even more useless than normal. Give me Thursday or give me a drink.

Everyone knows that Boston play dirty, KG can't even talk on interviews, his head always down reading the scripts that provided to him. Go get some classes English 101. LAKERS ON 5, GO LAKERS 2010 NBA CHAMP.

Giant Green Bald-Headed Lunatic:

What a pity supposedly a Celtic fan lonely and an out cast in his own society.

Tommy!

GGBHL- That’s an odd defense, since I said KG was a great player who sets great illegal screens. I thought I was clear that the Rosen article was silly. I underestimate nobody (maybe Rondo, we’ll see) I think the Celtics have some good players and I am looking forward to the series.

I don’t know who Ted Green is, is he related to Red? (Green, not Auerbach)

Hey, I meant to ask, do you really think KG is a lunatic or did you choose your name ironically? Come to think of it, did you choose your team ironically? Or did you cheer doggedly for them between ’84 and ’08 and are just now enjoying the fruits of your dedication? Well, by just now, I mean not since last year, and pretty much just between the last series and the next one, but you know what I mean.


phred - hey man i linked rosen's article this morning!! thanks for not giving me the proper due lol

MM

FCM- sorry, I missed it. I thought you might have, I guess I was too lazy to go down and check, sorry to not give you proper credit. Of course, the K Bros need support too. I mean, look at the poor excuse for a web site they work for, an apparent subsidiary of ESPN.BOSTON.COM, at least as far as I can tell.

“This is it,” he responded. “It’s for all the marbles. I’m sitting in the house loading up the pump, I’m loading up the Uzis, I’ve got a couple of M-16s, couple of nines, couple of joints with some silencers on them, couple of grenades, got a missile launcher. I’m ready for war.”

-REALLY Kevin Garnett? Back on the eve of the Iraq war, you're trivializing the very nature of war by calling a game a 'war'?

And Celtic boy are crying about an elbow to Luis Scola (who had been elbowing the Lakers the whole game) or a little tough love from Kobe (Ron Artest joined the Lakers, lol).

Crazy pills, well, he took on a whole stadium. You think Rasheed and a 'Lunatic' is going to scare him...haha, underestimate him, I dare you!

With KG, this goes to core BELIEFS in LIFE!

Hi Phred,
Sorry but this is what you said:


Kevin Garnett is the master of the illegal screen. There isn't anything right or wrong about it, if they don't call it, it's not your fault. I mean, Pau Gasol does textbook screens. He plants his feet, puts his arms down and stands stock still. It doesn't come up a lot, because we don't run it that often, and it's not really something (at least judging from the comments around here, which generally list all of Pau's real or imagined faults in great detail), that gets noticed. KG and the Celtics? Huge part of their game. It would, frankly, be unfair of the refs to start calling it now, as they never have in the past and the Celtics have learned that it's ok, apparently.

But Derek Fisher draws fouls. That, along with clutch shots, is what he does. It's like a mongoose catching cobras, Willie Mays catching a fly ball, or Celtics fans reminiscing about games that happened forty years ago, they just can't help it.

Posted by: phred | May 31, 2010 at 08:46 PM

Tell me where you wrote KG "is a great player who sets illegal screens." You didn't - and that's Perkins anyway.

I feel no need to respond to your sarcasm, but I will this one time, so pay attention:

I chose the name because Mamba24 often referred to KG as the GGBHL - so, I adopted the name, with Mamba24's permission and blessing.

The last time before '08 the Celtics won was 86, not 84 - God I hate arguing with lakers fans. And yes, I've seen it all. Dino Radja, Dominique Wilkins, Xavier McDaniel, Rick Pitino - ALL of it. I watched every game the year they only won 15!! Would you do that? I may be many things, but a bandwagon fan is not one of them
Okay, done with you -

Heinsohn - huh? What on earth are you talking about?

Sportsman - take some writing classes - your post makes no sense, and is not true anyway.

william - Game 2 was not fixed!! Okay, I told you. Typical lakers whining after a loss - TWO YEARS AGO!!!!

The Celtic Boys are grossly underestimating the Lakers. GOOD GOOD GOOD.

Keep believing that Vlad Rad is going to be guarding Paul Pierce again....yup its 2008!

I can't wait to see PP wet his pants when Artest stuffs him.......

"Mommy, mommy, I want my mommy!"

Posted by: Fatty | May 31, 2010 at 08:55 PM

I'm pretty sure he'll make Paula say Queensbridge first.

cant wait to go nuts in the city of LA

lets just say if we win it all, at home, stay at home children and call the cops.

Dino Radja, that's a name I had totally forgotten. I can't believe how much time has passed.

^^jac, its standard procedure. We've had WAY too many championship celebrations in the last decade to know that!

GGBHL- Sorry you feel that way. I said KG was great in one post, more than one really, I like the guy, I said he set great illegal screens in a different post.

Hey, I don't do 'adversarial' on the internet. I do loving sarcasm. Can I figure that by picking the name because of what Mamba24 said, you were adopting it ironically? Can you figure that I mentioned '84 ironically? I just had to assume that victories over the Lakers was the only thing you guys counted.

You hate arguing with Lakers fans? You choose an odd place to not argue with Laker fans, I gotta say.

GGBHL- I bow to you as someone who follows his team through all the bad years. Being a Laker fan, I don't know what it's like to cheer for a team that only wins 15 games in a season. It must be tough.

Ah, check these numbers out, from RealGM.com

PTS 22.9 -- FG% .443 -- 3P% .366 -- FTA 7.8 -- REB 6.3 -- AST 3.9 -- TOV 3.1
PTS 21.3 -- FG% .436 -- 3P% .393 -- FTA 7.1 -- REB 5.8 -- AST 3.9 -- TOV 3.4

The top numbers are Paul Pierce's CAREER averages.
The bottom numbers are Paul Pierce vs Ron Artest - (19 games)

So, if that is your "stopper", I hope you have a Plan B!!

Actually, I'm an Orioles fan. I do know what it's like to cheer for a team that only wins 15 games in a season. Sigh.

Jackson`s hatred for Boston stems from the Celts refusal to give him a ring for the 1968 championship he helped us win!

Being the talentless goon he was {is}, Phil body slammed Billy Cunningham, knocking him out of the entire playoffs. Without Cunningham, Boston got past Philadelphia in 7, before beating LA in 6.

Thanks, Phil...but, you`re still not getting your ring!

Oh, and by the way...your cute, little "mind games" won`t work with us. You should have figured that out in 2008!

Speaking of the Celts, they`ve already arrived in LA.
They`ll be working out tomorrow at Pauley Pavilion.

stat you left out

career average for wearing shorts per game; 1

average wearing shorts per game playing ron artest; 0

KG sets a lot of illegal screens. Seriously. If you disagree, you're either self-deluded or delusional.

Paul Pierce only scored 11 points and 15 points this year against Ron. If he's your prime scorer, you better have a plan B!

You want to include career numbers when Paul HAD to score? Let's face it, the CELTICS sucked. God, Sully and Murph no nothing about basketball!

Speaking of the Celts, they`ve already arrived in LA.
They`ll be working out tomorrow at Pauley Pavilion.

Posted by: RED`S LOVE CHILD | May 31, 2010 at 10:03 PM

I just hope Paula Pavilion has enough wheelchair props on hand for the practice.

And let's just say that Boston has as much chance at beating us in the Finals as UCLA has in beating SC in football.

EJK- you might want to reconsider that last assertion. Pending NCAA ruling next week, USC might not have beat anybody in football in several of the more recent seasons.

GGBHL is a gaysac
so is your green team
which is enjoying a couple of years NBA Finals' sunlight
before it goes back into another long quarter century hole of mediocrity
while the big LA Laker machine rolls on and on and on, decade after decade
feasting on opponents latest wanna-be MJ
almost always in championship discussion as if it was the weather
and Boston Alcoholics drink the kool-aid of self-delusion of yesteryear's greatness
Deep down inside you are afraid, yes admit it, that we are Neo and you are a Smith
and all the bullets will fall and we will penetrate your being until u come to the realization
You can't stare too long at the LA sun.

GGBHL-

If i was being mean and sarcastic, I would point out that you just argued that you don't spend your time reminiscing about the last 40 years, then argued that you were a great Celtic fan by rattling off many of the great Celtic players of the last forty years and declaring how much you stood by the team during all the years that they were terrible, because of how much you liked them all those years ago.

But i'm not mean sarcastic, so I will simply admit that embracing contradictions is one of the things that makes sports fanaticism so great.

I recognize that the players on both teams (except maybe Rondo) are great athletes who compete at the top of their profession, who achieve success at what they set out to compete in at life at the highest levels, people who provide love and support for their families (mom, dad, girlfriend, wife, other girlfriend, many illegitimate children) and are in turned loved by them.

And yet I will scream my lungs out as I relish every aspect of the great battle between two such groups of these equally deserving people, because of a random selection of geography or opportunity has decided that I will dedicate my fandom to only one of them. When in fact it is the sport itself which I am required to love, since what is a team without its sport? And what can you accomplish without rivals to challenge you on the path to that accomplishment?

We are bound, the Lakers and the rest of the NBA. Of course, it is our natural right to be first among these equals and I will defend that with everything I can muster. Metaphorically, within the confines of the sport and its discussion. Outside of that, I try to be a good family member, a good worker, and a good member of the community in which i live, as do we all.

PbBlaze- ok, you are kind of stomping on my point here, do you mind? Kidding.

And let's just say that Boston has as much chance at beating us in the Finals as UCLA has in beating SC in football.

Posted by: EJK | May 31, 2010 at 10:17 PM

Is that before or after the death penalty that the NCAA is about drop on SC? You wanna talk about scum bag cheaters?

UCLA will beat USC in football this year, after the sanctions that come down!

#4 - he's NOT our prime scorer - we don't have one, isn't that the best!! Rondo is our leading scorer in the playoffs this year. I was responding to lakers posters who claim the "key" to the series is Artest vs Pierce. 19 games is a good sample. And PLEASE put koME on Rondo- we love the Allen-Fisher matchup. Actually, we love the anyone-Fisher matchup. Who are Sully and Murph? Love the names, but it's KNOW basketball, not no! And what is HAD to score even mean? Is there such a stat? Never seen a HAD to score stat in my life - please provide a reference or a link. Being a visitor I would love to learn!!

I never said KG doesn't set illegal screens. He does. But Perkins sets more, and gets called for it more. End of story. He will bring Bynum out to chase Rondo.........that will be great!!

phred - ? Post makes no sense. Is it past your bedtime?

131- were we talking about scum bag cheaters? I thought we were talking about KG, who is a great player and a great cheater only in the sense that nba officiating has encouraged him to cheat.

No, about USC, EJK knows that I am just thinking about what possible Rose Bowl victories that the University of Oregon would have won if it had been given it's rightful position as Pac 10 champion for a couple of those years.

HA!

GGBHL- yeah, I get maudlin and respectful of opponents when I get tired. Enjoy it while it lasts, I guess.

I "rattled " off players from '86 to '08. Only after you accused me of being a bandwagon fan who started following the team in '08. Hope I proved to you that was a little off base, although I don't really care one way or the other. Your opinion of my team is clearly more biased and cynical than my view of your team. Oh well, I guess that's just the difference between fans who appreciate their teams vs fans who feel entitled to win every year. Not that there's anything wrong with that!!

yeah, i'm tired. Maybe you meant this differently than I read it;

"Perkins sets the illegal screens, not KG."

Being tired, I guess I could make the mistake of thinking that by 'not KG' you meant that KG did not make illegal screens. But hey, I'm tired, and I just said it was cool if you wanted to embrace contrad.....zzzzzzzzzzzzz.....huh..mmmble mmmble?

GO LAKERS!

uh, oh, I mean, I like the Lakers.

Phred-

As Im sure you and the rest of the Laker fans know ... Its usually not the guy setting the picks fault. Its the guy with the ball that doesnt wait for the pick to be set.

Im sure I didnt have to remind anybody but just in case.

my opinion of my team is way more biased and cynical than most. But that doesn't stop me from cheering for them. Weird, huh?

somebody say something to me? LOL....

No, about USC, EJK knows that I am just thinking about what possible Rose Bowl victories that the University of Oregon would have won if it had been given it's rightful position as Pac 10 champion for a couple of those years.

HA!

Posted by: phred | May 31, 2010 at 10:38 PM

LOL. phred, what's the point of winning Pac-10 championships when you're bound to lose in the Rose Bowl? Way to represent the Pac-10 this year.

86 wasn't in the last forty years? I accused you of being a fair weather fan? I asked if you were a fair weather fan, and accepted your answer. Man, I must be tired, this nit picking is sort of entertaining, although surely you don't believe it proves anything beyond that I am easily entertained.

Paul Pierce, the self proclaimed best player in the world, only was able to score 11 and 15 points against the lowly Ron Artest.

LOL... and they're relying on Rondo! Because they have some GREAT point guards in the east! Have fun playing...what he say, KoME? LOL fine, he'll KOME all over the Celtics!

phred - sorry, sometimes im bored of all the ragging, then Jack Kerouac takes over my body.

Translation of Phil's Video:

1. The Celtics are a bunch of bullies.

2. We have to be mentally tough to deal with them.

3. Bullies collapse when someone stands up to them without fear because deep inside they're scared little girls.

[Okay. Phil didn't directly intend #3 to be implied, but he knows its true as much as I do. Anyhow, I hung out at the Harbor Room in Playa del Rey today, where Phil has hung out... so I should be able to extrapolate on his intention, right? Probably not, but I've decided to do so anyways.]

What do we play for? RINGS!!!!

Lakers Today... Lakers Tomorrow... Lakers Forever.

GO LAKERS!!!

#4 - no one is talking to you since your posts make NO sense.

Still waiting for the link or definition of HAD to score!! Maybe I should look it up myself.................................................nope, couldn't find it. Is this some fabrication of yours? Nah, lakers fans don't do that stuff, right? Just like, even if Bynum didn't get hurt two years ago you'd still have Gasol? RIGHT!!

Rondo beat Jameer Nelson and Mike Bibby, oooooooohhhhh scary!

#4 - still waiting for that link!

#4,

Happy Memorial Day!

Let's commemorate this day by remembering the sacrifice of real soldiers, not faux soldiers like KG.

EJK - honesty is a virtue. And as an Oregon fan I am used to being told I would have lost the bowl I was just gypped out of without getting a chance to prove it on the field.

This year we just weren't in practice cause some other team has been keeping us out of out rightful berth. That's my stance and I'm sticking with it.

131- I didn't say it was anybody's fault. If that's the way they aren't calling it, then I guess that's the way to play it. Kudos to the Celtics for noticing. I didn't call anybody a scumbag, that was some other fan, possibly one with a zealous dedication to fair play.

Waiting? For what now?

Like I care what you're waiting for, LOL.

#4 - I can no longer communicate with you- your knowledge of basketball is way over my head. Mike Bibby plays for the Hawks!! The CELTICS have beaten Miami, Cleveland and Orlando................................no Mike Bibby there. Keep posting, though, I realize now just how much you REALLY KNOW about hoops.

#4- ok, that last bit was sorta wrongish. I didn't need that image.

Sorry Phred, had to my friend, had to.

GGBHL- but you have to admit, Mike Bibby is scary. Not basketball wise, but in general.

Jon K- I hung out at Timberline Lodge once, so I will do my best to channel Jack Nicholson for y'all.

Rondo beat Jameer Nelson and Mike Bibby, oooooooohhhhh scary!

Posted by: #4 | May 31, 2010 at 10:52 PM

Yea ... Mike Bibby. Even if we didnt play Atlanta. Thats how good Rondo is ... he even beats guys that he doesnt play.

BTW I agree with PJ about the flagrant fouls issue. Cabbage Patch Perkins will probably get another technical, get booted from a key game, Celtics lose it, lose the series, and then will point out that Cabbage Patch wasnt in that game.

Don't worry Celts fans, I will send out very absorbent Pampers when u get steamrolled by LA and Kobe "Game Over" Bryant.

Rondo's never played against Mike Bibby EVER....who's an east point guard. Shows what you know. Go look it up! I'm waiting, LOL. No, not really.

But darn, you're done with me apparently, you lunatic.

131, I've had enough conversations with you to know that YOU KNOW that Rondo has played Mike Bibby before.

If not, then I've given you too much credit. I hope that's not the case.

131, I've had enough conversations with you to know that YOU KNOW that Rondo has played Mike Bibby before.

If not, then I've given you too much credit. I hope that's not the case.

Only five reasons you need to know why Lakers are winning the title:
Over the next three days there will be break downs to the point of strained mush, analysis to the point of circularity, and expert blab to the point of meaningless drivel, but there are only four reasons why the Lakers are winning the Title this year, and it’s not brain surgery (by the way I picked the C’s in 6 in 2008).
1. Sweet Home: Home court in a 2-3-2 format is HUGE for the home team – the way media types talk about it you’d think it’s a disadvantage and that misconception largely exists because the first year the 2-3-2 format was used (’85) the Lakers beat the C’s, who had home court advantage and the 2-3-2 got a bad wrap as not being home court friendly. But that’s just not the case. There have been 25 2-3-2 matchups and the team with home court has won 20! 20 of 25.
What’s worse for the road team is that the road team has only won the middle three games twice: Pistons in ’04 (and D-League team could have done that against the imploding Lakers that year) and the ’06 Heat, who people forget had to win the title IN Dallas, not on their own floor.
Having game 6 and 7 at home is extraordinarily large. Since ’85, 14 finals have ended in 6 or 7. The Lakers have both at home.
Just a split of the first two at home insure a game 6 back home –
The C’s have beat the Magic and Cavs in game 6 – Game 6 will be in LA. For the C’s to avoid a game 6 or 7 in LA they would have to beat the Lakers 4 out of the first 5. In 2008, the Lakers won 2 out of the 3 at home, but they went down as road kill anyway. Those middle three games just don’t matter as much as games 1,2,6,7.
The 2-3-2 format is a road team killer!
2. No Culture Shock: C’s Defense? Yes it’s GOOD – scary good, but the one team that will be ready for that defense is the Lakers – the Lakers are facing a playoff complete C’s team for the second time. No other team can say that. The Magic and Cavs faced the real C’s for the first time this post-season. The Magic faced them last year, but no KG. The Cavs faced them in 2008, but the Cavs were not contenders. The Lakers know what to expect. Also, remember that the Lakers won 2 out of the middle 3 games at home in 2008 and had a 20 point lead in the game they lost. Home court is a huge bonus this year – see above.
3. Where’s Rondo – I know, I know, Rondo is the second coming of Magic and Stockton combined – but the facts are that the Lakers have already faced the two best point guards in the league. Rondo is not better than Nash and Williams – those who think he is need to watch more west coast b-ball.
4. “Legs” has picked the C’s – that’s good enough for me to pick the Lakers. God bless him, his picks are like darts on a dart board filled with 0’s. Although Hollinger picked the Lakers, which caused me pause and concern.
5. Stays in Vegas – Vegas does not build mega hotels by being wrong – those guys HAVE to be right to survive. They are picking the Lakers 2 to 1! ‘nough said.

131, I've had enough conversations with you to know that YOU KNOW that Rondo has played Mike Bibby before.

If not, then I've given you too much credit. I hope that's not the case.

Posted by: #4 | May 31, 2010 at 11:01 PM

You said he beat Nelson and Bibby. Im assuming you meant in this years playoffs. Rondo has probably played and beaten every point guard in the league at some point in his career.

I guess I just missed your point.

5. Stays in Vegas – Vegas does not build mega hotels by being wrong – those guys HAVE to be right to survive. They are picking the Lakers 2 to 1! ‘nough said.


Posted by: HmrHed | May 31, 2010 at 11:08 PM

Hammerhead-

1. Who did Vegas "pick" in '08

2. Vegas doesnt "pick" anybody. They put out numbers that they think they will get even action on both sides. That way they dont lose any money and keep the vig.

3. Vegas usually favors the Lakers because they get lots of action from California players on the Lakers.

Please dont write about things you obviously have no idea about!

HmrHed- nice to see you getting around. I just read your last post on the K blog.

I hate to say it, but to elaborate on how Vegas oddsmakers work (as it was explained to me anyway) is that the odds shift based on the number of bets placed in favor of each team, to balance out. The ideal solution for vegas is for the overall bets break even, and then pocket the percentage as a commission.

I'm not sure how this relates to the number of bets they get from CA.

131
You write the best comments and you are also very articulate. Or is that saying the same thing twice?

sorry, I believe that they adjust the spread to encourage equal amounts of betting on either side.

I believe if you bet against the odds you are actually betting against the house and that the odds are always against both teams. maybe I need to go back to dealer school, but that's what i thought.

Folks, why do you guys keep replying to posts by RED, 131-92 etc??

They want to post, let them post - and lets NOT reply!! This is a forum for Laker fans, so lets exchange our views among ourselves, and not worry about trolls.

Why waste time communicating with the trolls to exert superiority. Remember: Against a troll, no reply is the best reply!!

As long as Andrew is playing somewhat decent, the Lakers has a good chance of winning the whole thing. I can not wait for the series to start. This will be the best series by far in term of match up wise. I think the Lakers should play an up tempo game this series cause of all the old veteran like KG and Ray Allen. They will have nothing left by the four quarter. Let's go Lakers ... Pay back time.........
Lakers in 7.........

Great match-up, let's do all our friendly bets and enjoy the finals, Celtics fan will always root for their team and we'll always root for our team, we are going to waste our time explaining how we going to beat each other up! Let's make the players do the talking on the court and see who will win. As far as our team goes, we don't give a damn who makes it in the east...you are on our way for out 16th! Game on!!!

Did I miss something? The Lakers are the defending NBA Champions. So the Celtics need to prepare for us. I do agree with what KG said that instead of the Celtics looking forward to another shot at LA, it should be us looking forward to them. Thats for revenge purposes. But thats where it ends, we won it last year, we beat the Magic in 5 on their home floor. The Celtics beat them in 6 on Celtics home floor. It could of been in 4.

Hope EVERYONE had a great Holiday Weekend !!! First off before I rant, Mamba, please find a seat for me on ANY and ALL Anti Smeldicks Bandwagon trips during this years finals ( the more the merrier ) MarkM, I was in the minority when it came to actually thinking "someone" could run our zoo as well as the KBros did, you've proven me wrong. I'm glad you've helped improve our community and the constant updates and threads are to be applauded. Thanks for all the hard work ( as if covering the Worlds most beloved team is hard work? ) and lastly.. for those of you that have yet joined a live chat during a away game, give it a try.. its really pretty intense and fun.. i promise


Ok.. Im extremely amp'd this week.. Thursday cant get here soon enough.. I already saw this movie and I know the ending.. I lost a "friend" today that happens to be a Cavs fan over the Lakers !!! lol true story I swear.. She absoultely HATES the Lakers.. Ok cool.. whatever.. but this season, she went out of her way to post on my FB wall.. GO THUNDER !! Beat The Flakers!! blah blah blah.. I made her look silly, We Won.. GO JAZZ.. Beat The Flakers.. blah blah blah.. again, I'm a good sport and I stayed classy and didnt gloat after the sweep.. GO SUNS !!! blah blah blah.. well today I pointed out that after she went GO Smeldicks on me, that EVERY Team she got behind with fake fandom to root against my Purple n Gold, LOST !!! So by rooting for those clowns.. you've pretty much sealed their fate !!! THANKS !!! Point Being.. there's absolutely NO DOUBT in my mind The Lakers will repeat.. NONE !! I dont know how many games this will go and I dont care.. all I kno is Karma is working for me, and reading about Drew getting his knee drained just enforced it... if I were you guys, I'd make sure to record EVERY game !! Its gonna be pretty damn good if you're a Laker fan.. nevermind you trolls.. I dont care about YOU or YOUR feelings, seriously, its not about you guys, matter of fact, please dont even respond to this.. those that I want reading this... are... and thats all I want.. We're playing in the Championship for the 3rd time in 3years.. I really believe as much as WE(fans) want this.. Kobe wants it MORE !!! which is good enough for me.. Dont buy into the hype gang.. We WILL be repeat Champions and have a troll free blog this summer :) Bank on It !!!!

( wanted to hurry up and get this off my chest, i apologize in advance for not proof reading or spellcheckin )

Let me repeat myself, The Celtics were celebrating their ECF championship with their hats on their heads in front of their crowd.

Lakers were celebrating their WCF championship with warnings. WE ARE NOT THE SAME TEAM OF 08! Yeah w/ out a hat. Thats why cause they celebrate Rings not Conferences championships.

Paula please contine to dance, oh but be a good LA native and dance while u are in the floor, or in your wheelchair.

Nah the wheelchair won't suffice, dance in your stretcher being carried out by a helicopter out of STAPLES CENTER, cause it's an emergency. Well we won't know since everytime u kiss the floor u want to cry

131-92
Awesome how u grasp to that score.
Let it be known that when one team runs up the score they come back to lose. Win by alot or win by a point, but you still won.

When the Lakers beat your Celtics by one point in these finals, to win the championship. Tell me is it going to hurt us more when we lost by almost 30? Or is it going to hurt u more that the Celtics where 1 point away from winning?

I want you to keep posting those numbers, 131-92. Please do for the next 30 years cause thats all you will have to grasp. Your awesome player Rondo will be traded within a year to Minnessota. Thats the deal McHale and Danny Ainge made when McHale traded KG to the Celtics.

Is that why the Celtics are called trolls? Win or lose they go into hiding for a decade or two in tree stumps and hill holes? But when the rainbow shows up they come out and claim it? Oh OK I get it LOL

THeir First words out of their long decade sleep is BEAT LA.

MM -

A "scuffle" is physical in nature. Your usage of the word is flawed.

Beg to defer Millard:

It need not be only physical. Any argument, or state of hurried confusion can also be called as a scuffle.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/scuffle

The "little three + 1" are no more than pretenders who think this is still 2008...I predict you will watch the Lakers celebrate back-to-back championships at Staples after Game 6. Your charade is about to end green weenies.

Remember, folks.

The C's fans here have reason to gloat. Their team won the last round in convincing fashion. We didn't hear from them for nearly a quarter-century because our team had bragging rights during that time, and was infinitely more successful in the intervening period.

Plus, the C's fans support the only team to have beaten the Lakers in a playoff series since 2007, which returns the same starting 5 to the Finals this year. They have every right to be confident.

Remember LA's response Saturday night. Remain calm.

Ruud Van - Yes. Look up that link you posted and get back to me. Find me an instance from a decent source where the word , when being used in the context of a struggle/fight,is not used in a "physical" sense.
An argument alone isn't referred to as a "scuffle" and the situation above doesn't depict a state of "hurried confusion"

Millard

skidmark bayless...the gift that keeps on giving! he's predicted okc, the jazz, and his beloved suns would defeat the Champs...now the hater has predicted victory for the green garbagemen. don't ever take this loser to the track, and if you do, always bet opposite of who this clown chooses.
BOSTON SUCKS!

KW,

I think ESPN uses Skip Bayless simply because he is so aggressively and consistently wrong.

He provides the common man the opportunity to disagree with an "expert" through common sense and experience the feeling of being "right."

Feeling "right" simply feels good and provides an emotional feedback mechanism for people of middle-intelligence to keep watching ESPN... which is exactly what ESPN wants.

What do we play for? RINGS!!!

Lakers Today... Lakers Tomorrow... Lakers Forever.

GO LAKERS!!!

Wow, Phil Jackson trying to get in KG's head?!... Smart. Can't he just do his job and coach his team? These "mind-games" do achieve absolutely nothing. Is he afraid that Gasol's too soft to handle the physicality of Kevin Garnett?The difference in this series is Rondo.

Fisher got destroyed by Goran Dragic, Dragic. And Russell Westbrook almost singlehandedly beat LA at times. Rondo is surrounded by more experienced talent than Westbrook was. Also, who will guard Allen? Fisher he'll just shoot over the top of. Kobe doesn't wanna run around screens all night. Artest can't chase him, he's slower than Ray. Vujacic... we all know how that worked in '08. No one can guard Rondo, but offensively, Ray-Ray will most likely have a huge advantage as well. Brown or Farmar cannot effectively defend either guard.

Plus, Perkins is more than capable of handling Bynum if he can slow Howard and Shaq. Sheed can come in if he gets into foul trouble, and Williams after him. Unlike '08, Cs have more bigs than just Perk and Baby. Also Nate is too quick for Derek. Baby will force his man to come out, as he can shoot from 18 ft. TA has been playing well.

Finally, defense wins championships, and the Celtics by far have been the best defensive team in these Playoffs. They have sent Wade, LeBron, and Howard packing. They are the consummate team. There's 3 seconds left, the game is tied. Who gets the ball? Will it be Pierce at his sweet spot? Will it be Allen coming off a screen? Will it be KG popping off a pick? Or will it be Rondo, taking it to the hole? They have so many options and weapons. We all know the ball's going to Kobe.

The only way I see LA winning is the Kobe factor. He is the only reason LA beat Phoenix game 6.

Sadly, I see history repeating itself once again this year. In 2008, all of us Laker fans thought we were going to either sweep the Celtics or win in 5. Instead, the Celtics won in 6 including blowing us out by 39 points and the highest winning margin for a title-clinching game in NBA history.

While I think we've improved since 2008 as a team though Kobe has arguably regressed a bit (and not a knock on him, but he's two years older in his 30's), the Celtics have also gotten better. A lot better.

And yes, their All-Star point guard Rondo, while decent in 2008, is phenomenal in 2010. What we may be underestimating is not his scoring ability, but his play-making ability. The Celtics play as a "team". They don't have 1 primary scoring option, but several. During their series against the Magic, there was not one Celtic that led their team in scoring for consecutive games.

It's no wonder they have been able to beat the NBA's elite "superstar" driven teams, namely the Heat, the Cavs and the Magic. They do it the old-fashioned way, by sharing the ball, playing team defense, and through unselfish play.

Their bench has been stepping up throughout the post-season. Big Baby, Rasheed Wallace, Tony Allen, even Nate Robinson. All these guys are threats, whether on defense or on offense.

I hope our other starters and bench can step it up and not rely just on Kobe to bail us out in the 4th quarter. That may work with defenseless teams like the Suns, but against a defensive-minded team like the Celtics, it's pretty much hari-kiri. Gasol in particular needs to play tougher and not get frustrated by KG, and Lamar needs to step it up every game. I hope Andrew's knee is better, we really need him in the post to free up Kobe's options.

Fish can't guard Rondo one-on-one so we need to figure out a way to give him lots of help. Kobe will need to help out a lot and our bigs will need to collapse the lane and challenge Rondo without fouling him for us to shut him down. He's not a good free-throw shooter, but if he gets to the line 10+ times a game, that's not good for us.

We'll need to keep Allen in check with his 3's as that's where he's the most dangerous. Focus too much on Pierce and he gets open either for a three or he'll drive the baseline for a dunk.

Our bench needs to step it up as well. Hit the open 3's and not make silly plays leading to fast break points for the Celtics. They need to hustle and work at loose balls and rebounds as much as the Celtic's bench does for us to have a chance.

Artest will play good defense, but he's a streak shooter so he needs to be careful not to launch up a bunch of shots when he's not feeling it. No one on either team can win it alone, except perhaps Kobe, who really should be the only Laker with a license to shoot in any situation. The Celtics won't leave Artest wide open like the Suns, and they'll box out every time for rebounds and airballs so don't expect another Game 5 miracle.

Overall we can win these Finals, but only if we play our best. It won't be a cakewalk like many think. In many ways it reminds me of the 2004 Finals against the Pistons where we thought we had it in the bag. But the Pistons played well as a team even though they were way less talented than we were and they won.

I was at Staples for Game 4 in 2008 and I remember how the air rushed out of the building in the 4th quarter after we were up by 20+ in the 1st and 3rd quarters. No one could believe the result when the final horn sounded, we all thought it was our win for sure, even when they caught up in the 4th.

If we lose one of the first two home games, we're going to be in serious trouble. We'll steal one in Boston, but they'll be up 3-2, not a good situation against the Celtics even with the final two games at home.

 
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