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Caught in the Web: Reactions to Lakers' 95-94 Game 6 victory over Oklahoma City

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Game stories

--The Times' Mike Bresnahan details Pau Gasol's game-winning shot in the Lakers' 95-94 Game 6 victory Friday over the Oklahoma City Thunder.

--The Orange County Register's Kevin Ding relives how the Lakers delivered a knockout punch to OKC.

--The Oklahoman's Darnell Mayberry details the frustrations Thunder forward Kevin Durant felt after the Lakers eliminated OKC.

--NBA.com's Randy Renner details Gasol's late-game heroics.

--The Daily News' Elliott Teaford reports that the Lakers believe their competitive first-round series with Oklahoma City will ultimately benefit them beginning with their Western Conference semifinal matchup with the Utah Jazz.

Notebooks

--The Times' Bresnahan explains why Lakers Coach Phil Jackson considered Gasol the team's MVP toward the end of the season.

--The Times' Broderick Turner highlights the approach Oklahoma City guard Russell Westbrook took in Game 6.

--The Oklahoman's Mike Baldwin details how OKC tried to overcome a slow start.

--The Orange County Register's Ding reports Lakers center Andrew Bynum will have an MRI on Saturday to determine the extent of the damage on his hyperextended right knee.

--The Riverside Press Enterprise's Gregg Patton highlights the Lakers' strong history in closing out games.

--The Daily News' Teaford features Jackson's take on the Thunder's fan base and on LeBron James winning the league MVP.

Columns

--The Times' Bill Plaschke argues the Lakers don't have what it takes to beat the Orlando Magic or Cleveland Cavaliers in the NBA Finals.

--The Times' Mark Heisler believes the Lakers' experience proved to be a huge factor in their first-round series with the Thunder.

--The Orange County Register's Ding believes Ron Artest made the difference in the Lakers' first-round series against Oklahoma City.

--NBA.com's Scott Howard-Cooper details the hurdles the Lakers had to overcome to win the series.

--Sports Illustrated's Frank Hughes gives his nuts-and-bolts breakdown of Game 6.

--ESPN Los Angeles Arash Markazi explains how Westbrook's fallen friend inspires him.

--ESPN Los Angeles Dave McMenamin argues the Lakers' defense made the difference against the Thunder.

--The Orange County Register's Jeff Miller argues the Lakers ruined the Thunder's fairy tale.

--The Riverside Press Enterprise's Patton says the Lakers did just enough to get the win.

--Fox Sports' Charley Rosen argues the Lakers featured many contributions.

--The Oklahoman's Berry Tramel believes the Thunder has a bright future.

--The Orange County Register's Randy Youngman gives his take on the speculation regarding Jackson's coaching future.

--Yahoo! Sports Adrian Wojnarowski argues Kobe Bryant delivered a stern message to the league that he'll maintain a dominant imprint on the game.

Blogs

--The Daily Thunder enjoyed Oklahoma City's playoff run while it lasted.

--ESPN Los Angeles' Andy Kamenetzky credits the Lakers' bench

--Forum Blue and Gold's Darius breaks down the keys to the game.

--Silver Screen and Roll's C.A. Clark highlights Gasol's big moment.

Lakers-Jazz links

--The Times' Lisa Dillman details how the Jazz has gotten by without an injured Mehmet Okur.

--The Salt Lake City Tribune's Ross Siler explains why Utah has struggled recently against the Lakers. Siler also predicts the Lakers will take the series in six games.

Tweet of the Day: "The joys of traveling. Got to sleep at 230 am after lakers won up at 430 am for flight to LA. Then go to lakers practice at 130 pm." -- BA_Turner (L.A. Times Lakers beat reporter Broderick Turner).

Reader Comment of the Day: "A nail-biting series but the BEST TEAM moves on. A Colossal ending by KB and Gasol although it was clearly a TEAM victory and everyone showed some heart!!!! Kudos to the young Thunder because they put up a good fight but it was LAKERS Night!!!!" -- Carlos DeeP

--Mark Medina

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Photo: Lakers power forward Pau Gasol and point guard Derek Fisher react after Gasol made the winning basket with less than a second to play against the Thunder in Game 6 on Friday night in Oklahoma City. Credit: Wally Skalij/Los Angeles Times.

 
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MM, thanks for keeping us up with all the Laker news out there.


Now it is on to Utah, a team that has gotten no respect this year. A lot of the purely statistical ranking have Utah surprisingly high, up with the elite teams. They had a nice regular season, a win streak where they ran some teams off the floor (ended by the Lakers, of course) and overcame some injuries (Okur and AK47) and still took out a very good Denver team.


Expect a well coached team that plays hard every single posession. They will hustle, pound the boards, share the ball, execute their offense. A lot of folks will look past and underestimate the Jazz. They will fall, but not without the Lakers playing with a lot of energy and aggression and unselfishness.

Little by little Bynum is coming up limp. I have my doubts he'll make it all the way through the playoffs. If he comes up limp and make it to a series, say, against the Spurs...that would be trouble for the Lakers.


The Oklahoma City crowd are the poster fans for the NBA. Loud but not rude.

It's inspiring to to see such innocent spirit for a professional basketball game.


Andrew won't have to extend himself against UTah. They may be able to rest him the whole series.

We've handled San Antonio without Andrew.

It's all about being healthy for the finals.

Meanwhile the bench play last night, in that hostile an arena, will hopefully breed enough confidence to finally play up to their potential.

I'd like to give credit to the OKC crowd and the Thunder. If they had played ANY other team in the western conference, I probably would have picked them to advance to the next round...which would have been scary.

I'm not going to under-estimate the Jazz one bit, since they took out a team that was supposed to vie with the Lakers for a trip to the finals. We need to play our hardest so that we can (hopefully) win in 5 games. Then hope that the other side of the bracket goes to 7 games (with 5 overtime periods).

Can anyone here describe how Bynum got injured in the 3rd Q? Perhaps, I was listening with Gandhi when that thing happened? Hyper extended knee sucks there goes Andrew again, a stationary on the post yet always get injured often. I like Drew to become a Superstar but he is a just lame beast at this time. As soon as you notice his upside and importance, we hear another bad news. Can Gary Vitti reinforce those frail joints of Bynum? He needs plenty of Glucosamine and Chondrotin plus Vitamin D lol!

Anymore news on the seriousness of Bynums injury?
Is he going to miss any games?

Caliphilosopher, I totally agree about not underestimating Utah. Jerry Sloan is one of the best (and unrecognized) coaches in the league. He has a knack for preparing his team for playing tough and playing together that other coaches should study. They could ambush the Lakers in one of the first two games in LA, and then it would be extremely difficult to get a game back in Salt Lake, where they play over their heads against everybody. The Lakers better be ready, and they better not snooze with these guys.

Vman,

I think without Bynum the Spurs have a legitimate shot at beating the Lakers because they are playing good basketball right now. The Mavs really had what it took to deal with the Spurs with 2 seven footers in Haywood and Dampier...but the Spurs beat them.

With Ginobli playing well, and Parker getting into step...the Spurs have a couple of good pieces to compliment them. If they can get something out of Jefferson and McDyess....uuuum.

Hey, did I forget to mention Tim Duncan? The Spurs are playing that slow, no one's really paying attention ball, right now. You know...the kind that has won them how many Championships?

Again, without Bynum, San Antonio can spell trouble for the Lakers.

mike t.


Somewhat unnoticed last night was Lamar's work on the boards against Ibaka in the 4th. It was Beastly.

A good indicator as to how well the Spurs are playing is to keep y0ur eye on the Spurs/Phoenix series. If the Spurs win in 5 or 6...it says something.

mike t.

With a gimpy or with no Bynum...all bets are off in the West. The Lakers won't get to the finals.

mike t.

Mike

Got all the respect in the world for San Antonio and Popovich. With their experience, they'll be trouble. I'm not sure they believe they can beat us. Duncan has never played well against Gasol and they don't have an answer for Kobe now.

Obviously, a healthy Andrew would make a difference with healthy Parker and Ginobli slashin' to the rim. Hopefully, the kid can take it easy while we dispose of Utah. Then again, Utah made be tired of losing to us and could get lucky but I don't think they've got the horses to win 4 even without Andrew.

I was most encouraged with the way Kobe played. If he's got that kind of game left in him, it spells trouble for whoever we face. Like he said himself, they won't face another team as athletic as the Thunder.

Well played game last night, everyone contributed, everyone played with a sense of urgency and heart. Passionate athletes who laid it all out on the floor, injured or not. And big props goes to our Bench, they played like a semi-bench mob last night, and they're on the road! I hope it carries over till the Finals.

OKC gained so much respect from playing hard against us. They weren't dirty players, they laid it all out on the floor. They respected the game of basketball and their opponents. Admirable young men!

But like Kobe said "You all are two bad mother … . I’m glad I’m done with you.” Boyyyyy am i glad this series is over, now let's get our 4 wins against the Spazzy Jazz!

Hey Mamba24,

I think we need a "Thank you Ron Artest Bandwagon" He played phenomenal defense against the scoring champ. The rest of the team followed his lead. It would've been a harder task if he wasn't in our team, so a BIG THANK YOU oddball Ronnie!


Laker defense is rollin' right now.

What's that adage again? Defense wins championships?

I think Faith wrote that one.

I agree J24. No one can absolutely stop Durant, but Thriller came as close as humanly possible! His defense is STELLAR. I wonder if that's another reason why his O has been somewhat iffy - he's just so locked into what he's got to do defensively, he can't switch back to an offensive mentality as quickly as we need or would like him to. I don't know - amateur psychologist here. Still - he is certainly deserving of a HUGE thank you from Laker Nation.


I just hope that now people will retire the "if only we had Ariza" argument. Can you honestly say he would have done a better job on Durant???

Re-wind the tape to just after Gasol's tip-in.

Derek Fisher races to congratulate him. Other teammates move to congratulate him.

Where's Kobe?

Is he jumping into Pau's arms like Magic Johnson into Kareem's arms after the game winning shot of his very first game?

No.

Does he even come over toward Pau to congratulate him?

Well, no.

Look at Pau's eyes. For just a split-second he glances over towards where Kobe was standing. The camera's not on Kobe, so we can't see the expression on his face. But it can't be a welcoming one, because Pau's eyes go back straight ahead toward his other teammates to continue the celebration. Kobe eventually makes it back to the bench.

Same old Kobe. If he can't be the hero, it's almost as bad as a loss.

What a jerk.

Oh, sure, he says some right-sounding things after the game about how important Pau is to the team. And then: "Last year I missed a couple of shots, and Pau was there to tip them in." As if Gasol's job is just to clean up after an occasional Kobe miss.

What garbage.

There is no team in Kobe Bryant, unless it's Kobe's team.

Hater, hater, hater!!!

No, just the facts.

So I'm watching the game (again) - we're down 94-93 with 1:23 on the clock. We get a 2nd chance opportunity but Thriller launches a 3 fresh into the shot clock and bricks. Kobe's over in the corner with his arms out like "what the hell are you doing"????? Thunder run the ball to the other end and LO gets a HUGE rebound. Lakers back on offense when Durant fouls Fish when coming of a screen and Lakers end up with a time out with 47.3 seconds left on the clock. Ron walks to the sidelines - and Phil's waiting for him - and says "is that what we want Ron?" LMAO.

Mike, what can possess you to show up when we just beat the 50 win OKC, and talk about Bynum? We listened to you preach about Kwame(you should already feel like an idiot for that but i guess thats impossible) but you come back preaching gloom and doom? Be Gone, you are now a full fledged TROLL!!

jimjoyce - what the hell is your problem?

Back on the bench after that make you can see Kobe look straight at Pau with a nod and an expression on his face that clearly says "whew - good one". Pau rubs Kobe on the head and then they put their heads together, then with the other guys they talk about making sure they defend for the next 0.5 seconds.


Seems to me like the problem is you - not Kobe. You can malign him all you want. You can hate him all you want. Fact is - Kobe is the heart, soul, focus and strength of this team. You hate him cuz he's a winner. You hate him because no matter what you say - he continues to prove you wrong.


Carry on little man. Kobe's going to the Finals in June and then onto Figueroa in a bus. Where you going?

Jamf,

Ron was able to make KD work hard the entire game and tired him out. Durantula woulda ate Trev for dinner and Luke for Dessert

I guess you didn't watch the game last night. Bynum, who already had a tender achilles and knee...didn't you see it? He went up for a rebound, came down and was limping. The broadcasters mentioned it right away.

There's an article on it in today's links. He seems to be playing the part of a warrior by staying in the game. But with all the pressure that goes along with playing against other bigs...I wouldn't be surprised to see Bynum go down or should I say, he's not going to last for the whole playoffs.

mike t.

MM, did you not approve my comments last night or did you not get them?

Mike T.

According to Mychal last night, it was not a career ending injury, perhaps needs a little rest and would recover from it. In fact, he was used in the last play and was jumping as he greeted pau before that.

chic - lol - no question in my mind about that! Thriller is no Ariza?? Ok so what?? We needed Thriller to win this series, and that's who we got. Last I checked, Ariza's fishing and we're moving on up!


Mike T - you are probably the most polarizing figure on here. I'm guessing that's why you pick the most opportune times to come back - for the attention? That's kinda sad.... Let me ask you something - where were you when we won last year? Did you enjoy it? Did you feel good about it? Why did you not share the joy with everyone here? The answers to those questions will tell you something about yourself... or not. We already know all we need to know about you.

Preach Justa Preach!

A hater is always looking for a way to justify their hate. I saw the same thing you just described. Heck kobe's such a hater he and Gasol did their interview together because he wanted Gasol to make him look good! It's all about Kobe you know! LOL !

As I linked in Kevin Ding's story, Bynum is scheduled to get an MRI sometime today. I'll be at practice this afternoon, as will Mike Bresnahan and Brad Turner so we will surely have some type of update later in the day on this

MM

Hey Fan - yeah. I'm so completely sick of the unabashed, unsubstantiated Kobe hate. Especially by so-called Laker fans. Makes me wanna puke. There's no appreciation, no gratitude, nothing. And yet they still wanna jump on the Laker bandwagon?? Right. GET OFF ya bunch of scum sucking trolls. You only deserve a good look at the wheels. From ground level.

The Mavs are playoff chokers (remember 2006? 2007?) and I wasn't the least bit surprised the Spurs booted them out of the playoffs. It was reported Pops even tanked some games so he could match them up with the Mavs in the first round, instead of the Jazz or Lakers. Given how horrible the Lakers looked at the end of the season, that says something about the Mavs.

And the Spurs beating the Suns means NOTHING. The Spurs have always had the Suns number, because the Suns are the marshmallows of the NBA--all sweetness, no substance.

Make no mistake, I think the Spurs are the most dangerous team remaining in the West, but they've never been able to match up with the Lakers since Pau came over. Pau matches up well with Duncan. Kobe's health is WAY more a factor than Bynum's. If Kobe is limping and doesn't shoot well, the Spurs can beat them. If Kobe gets healed up enough, Lakers are the favorites to go to the Finals.

As for the Jazz, they are a familiar opponent and the Lakers seem to do a lot better against teams they're familiar with.

It's the Finals where Bynum could be missed, especially if the Magic win out, which I suspect they will. They don't have the fake attitude of the Cavs or Celtics; they know the Lakers will be tough to beat, have experience in playing them from last year, and have the motivation. Pau handled D-Howard surprisingly well last year, but we can't expect the same this year. And the biggest game changer for the Magic is not Vince Carter (who is always at risk of shooting them out of a game), but a speedy, healthy Jameer Nelson.

But we're getting ahead of ourselves; yes the Lakers SHOULD beat the Jazz and the Spurs SHOULD beat the Suns, but you never know until the game is played...

troy, were u nervous again last night? lol!

We have to praise what Lakers are achieving despite their present handicaps. To dismiss Fisher at this stage by DFish is really uncalled for. Yes, he is a past due NBA veteran but still a valuable cog when the game is on the line. Look at the favored Nuggets who got lots of praises from this blog at the start of the playoffs, where are they now? On vacation. Good talents but immature thuggets wih bad habits and attitude. Melo is no Kobe, he is just a side kick of a superstar can't carry a team. Many here also praised the Blazers as tormentors of the Lakers, where are they now? Gone with Brandon Roy, again lots of talents, poor chemistry and bad luck. Durant should have been a Blazer today instead of Oden. They made a bad choice and suffered from it. Where are the Aldridge, Webster, Batum, Bayless, Camby, Miller etc. pure talents but not reliable on the 7 game series. In NBA, if you're frequently injured like oden and bynum, then you become forgettable. Durability and capability to withstand the rigors of the season plus playoffs are part and parcel of a good player.

I wish we can get Billups of Nuggets and Fernandez of Blazers. If we have those two shooters, game close on perimeter shooting.

Jim Joyce,

In case you missed any of Kobe's game winners this season, he was always calm and collected after his game winners, especially if there was still time left on the clock. Kobe isn't some young buck who celebrates like he just won a championship when he hits a game winner. He's a seasoned vet with a been there, done that attitude. He reacted in a similar fashion when Pau hit the game winner. Were you even celebrating when Pau made the game winner, or were you just stalking Kobe all game long and checking out his facial expressions and analyzing his motives for every move? Kobe's home address might be listed so why don't you go stalk him at his home, and leave the basketball analysis to the adults. If you want to see someone jump up and hug Pau as if he just won the super lotto, you're going to have to wait til the next round, when Sasha returns.

peace

Mike T,

It's good to see that you're sticking around even after the Lakers beat the Thunder, and actually giving some credit to the Lakers for their defense.

I know we don't always see eye to eye, but I respect someone with strong opinions. You know I love an argument more than most people. :-)

My biggest gripe with you was that at one point you seemed to be wishing that Bynum would get injured so that Kwame could play more. And I can't respect anyone wishing for their own team members to get injured.

Anyway, stick around. You were on the blog before I was and you're one of the strong voices of the blog.

You can dissect each and every play all you want but for me I saw a team who got each other's back. There were mistakes/lapses/bad judgement down the stretch, they make up for it by not giving up. Notice how Odom grab the OREBS, that's what I want to see from them. In every adversity, it is your WILL to win that will carry you through. You are a Laker hater if you did not like what you saw last night. I am proud of this win and I am proud of my LAKERS!

@J24 and Justa, I agree with you, Ron deserve credit for his defensive effort against Durant. Durant did not get his groove in this series. If not for his love affair with the refs, he's non-factor offensively.

"Let me ask you something - where were you when we won last year? Did you enjoy it? Did you feel good about it? Why did you not share the joy with everyone here? The answers to those questions will tell you something about yourself... or not. We already know all we need to know about you."

Where was I last year? Working, didn't have time to blog.

Joy over a championship? I think I mentioned this years ago. Once the Lakers win a championship, for any given season, there is no joy. My attitude is this: When it's over it's over. Win or lose it doesn't matter as long as the game is played with integrity. With PJ as coach is no integrity at all, which is the cause for my great displeasure.

As long as PJ is at the helm, coach, I could only feel displeasure with the Lakers, win or lose.

I find the man to be disgusting.

I find it laughable that the guy is paid 12 million a year to coach a roster full of all-stars. When he was being paid 10 million a year and had a roster that he actually had to coach...he reverted to manipulation in an effort to make the front office look bad just so he could get a roster full of all-stars to coach. Heck, with a roster full of all-stars why do the Lakers need to pay the guy 12 million a year?

I say, with Kobe already signed to a 3 year extension, get rid of PJ and give the team to Brian Shaw or bring back Kurt Rambis.

mike t.

ATTENTION PEOPLE OF UTAH:

This is LAKER PLANET KILLER. I come directly from the OKC Thunder message boards. They believed they could win but now they have been VANQUISHED!

We are now coming to distroy Utah as well. Do not be alarmed. There is nothing you can do to change it.

We predict Utah will be completely distroyed in six games, which means your season will end on May 14. Fortunately for Utah residents, this is a Friday, so you may indulge in heavy drinking that night to assuage your grief.

In the meantime, Laker fans from the City of Angels will post on your puny message boards over the next two weeks to annoy and provoke you. This is normal. After Utah has been distroyed, we will move on like locusts to the Phoenix or San Antonio message boards, where we commence to distroy them as well.

Do not be alarmed. We have taken control of your basketball season. The end will arrive quickly and mercifully.

Thank you for your attention. You may now resume your normal daily activities.

Mike T,

>>>Again, without Bynum, San Antonio can spell trouble for the Lakers.

Ironically, that may be the closest Mike T has ever come to complementing Bynum. It sounds like he's saying that with Bynum, San Antonio is no problem. :-)

I do have to agree with you, though Mike. With Bynum at full health, I think the Lakers will polish off either the Spurs or the Suns. But if Bynum does go down to injury, then it will actually be a close series either way.

Bynum's defense has become a difference maker. His offense comes and goes (6 points last night?) as does his rebounding (4 rebounds last night??), but his defense has made the overall team defense much better in these playoffs.

Man, I should be reading my stack of research articles and doing some writing, but I've been jumping from one website to another for just another morsel of Laker reporting. And now, MM, has posted another whole bunch of links for me to drool over *lol* Thanks MM, really appreciate the hard work you've put into satisfying our insatiable appetite for Laker news.

And about last night's game, wasn't that something! Watching the game was exciting enough, but sharing the ups and downs with the rest of the Laker homies on the chat, made it even better.

I am relieved, though, that we're leaving Loud City behind. But I do feel a little sorry, for the young Thunders when the game ended. They looked so hard broken with Durant lying on the floor and slapping the court, and Green doubled over in pain. BUT, better them than us, right? So let's move on to the Jazz....

And I am doubly happy the Jazz bumped off the Thuggets. Even better than watching the Jazz beat them is watching the Thuggets collectively press their self-destruct buttons. Those guys run off their mouth too much and are way too annoying.

So bring on the Jazz..... we're ready!

Scott,

I agree with you regarding the Spurs. Popovich was simply masterful in regulating the minutes of his stars in the regular season, and it's paying off big time in the playoffs. I hope Phil Jackson learns from Pop's strategy, and does the same for his veterans next season.

lakers match up perfectly with UTAH, wont be surprised to be the series won in 5 or 6.

You haven't even seen where Thriller's contribution will be most needed.

Think NBA Finals

>>>There is no team in Kobe Bryant, unless it's Kobe's team

jimjoyce, get a grip.

Kobe spent the last two games deferring to Pau as much as possible and when the reporters questioned why he had shot so few times, he clearly stated his belief in Pau and Drew, saying he didn't NEED to shoot as much because he trusted them. Last night, they defended Kobe mostly 1-on-1, and Kobe shot more and made them pay for it.

One thing I want you to think about was this. Something that Kobe knew, but perhaps Pau and Fish hadn't recognized yet.

THE GAME WASN'T OVER.

How many times have you seen a team get all goofy celebrating some late shot when there's only 1 second or 0.4 seconds left on the clock, only to LOSE THE GAME.

Kobe is all business. If the clock expired on that, I'm sure you'd have seen him over congratulating Pau as much as his other teammates. But Kobe's not going to jump up and down for glee when there's still time on the clock. I'm sure he was thinking about how much time was left and that they needed to calm down and focus on finishing the game, not celebrating.

BTW, I'm absolutely positive that when the Lakers win the Championship this year, if Pau has an outstanding finals and gets finals MVP, that Kobe will be happy for him and will be happy to win the championship.

Only a Kobe hater would try to inject some stupid little Kobe jealousy subplot into last night's victory. You can't savor the victory which Kobe mostly carried them to. You can't accept the fact that Kobe respects and admires his teammates. You just have to try to put Kobe down some way.

pitiful.

So Ron Artest just turned the league's leading scorer, a tall SF with an extremely high shooting percentage into roadkill.

That bodes well if the Lakers get a certain opponent in the finals. You know, the team with a tall SF with an extremely high shooting percentage who was the second leading scorer in the league.

Joy over a championship? I think I mentioned this years ago. Once the Lakers win a championship, for any given season, there is no joy. My attitude is this: When it's over it's over. Win or lose it doesn't matter as long as the game is played with integrity. With PJ as coach is no integrity at all, which is the cause for my great displeasure.
Posted by: Michael C. Teniente | May 01, 2010 at 11:58 AM

wow... thanks for comin clean mike t.. thats called exposing yourself full frontal.. i think that statement just about said everything i need to know about you..

you are a fan of the game but hardly a fan of the lakers.. let me rephrase that again.. you said you felt no JOY after last championship? that cant be humanly possible for any TRUE fan of the team.. i guess they were right about you... you are a true TROLL in every sense of the word... any way you wanna unslice it... sounds like your motto is player FIRST team SECOND.

ps.. and keep evading the hard basketball questions.. now i know how you roll. haha

lol,

joy over a championship?

Gee...i can't wrap my head around that. As a philosopher, the concept of time is as such: Once a moment has pasted...it is past. What do you expect me to do? Ignore the rest of life and the world over a championship? Hell, there's an oil spill going on right now that no one knows what the results will be. That is some dangerous stuff...joy over a championship?

Basketball is interesting to me because I've been following it for 40 years. It's like a habit now. I have too much knowledge on other issues to get all wrapped up on a single moment of time.

As long as Phil Jackson is the coach of the Lakers that single moment of time is extended for as long as he occupies the coaches seat, hench...my great displeasure.

Your basketball questions have no merit. Yo u give no credit to the context of playoff basketball and how it changes the game. Plus that Stern comment shows that you're just a homer, which is not to put you down...just: you are who you are. You can't help it.

lol

mike t.

LTLF,

"So Ron Artest just turned the league's leading scorer, a tall SF with an extremely high shooting percentage into roadkill.

That bodes well if the Lakers get a certain opponent in the finals. You know, the team with a tall SF with an extremely high shooting percentage who was the second leading scorer in the league."

Hopefully. But LBJ presents an entirely different challenge than Durant. LBJ is much stronger and quicker. I think Ron is better against the Paul Pierce's and Melo's of the league - big SF's who aren't as quick as LBJ. Should be interesting.

hence...my great displeasure. LOL!

mike t.

Wow! Hoppin' day on the blog, full troll recognition filters are in place, and we're feelin' the love for the extra guys like Artest, Fish, and LO. Sorry to see so much hate for Kobe, Phil, and Pau, but waddyagonnado.

No matter how much hate gets spewed by the trolls today, it's a good day to be a Laker fan. We have what should be a good series coming up and the right teams lined up for the rest of the playoffs.

If only we could make Justa's wish come true and see the Calfs and Septics both lose in the next round. Perhaps Balefire hitting the arena at tipoff (ok, a real obscure literary reference). Short of that, we'll just have to see who comes out on top and who the Magic beats.

Other than that, I have nothing to add to the outstanding writing being posted today.

JR

As a philosopher, the concept of time is as such: Once a moment has pasted...it is past. What do you expect me to do?- Mike T

Try living the moment. You may enjoy it.

Joy over a championship? I think I mentioned this years ago. Once the Lakers win a championship, for any given season, there is no joy. My attitude is this: When it's over it's over. Win or lose it doesn't matter as long as the game is played with integrity. With PJ as coach is no integrity at all, which is the cause for my great displeasure.

As long as PJ is at the helm, coach, I could only feel displeasure with the Lakers, win or lose.

I find the man to be disgusting.

I find it laughable that the guy is paid 12 million a year to coach a roster full of all-stars. When he was being paid 10 million a year and had a roster that he actually had to coach...he reverted to manipulation in an effort to make the front office look bad just so he could get a roster full of all-stars to coach. Heck, with a roster full of all-stars why do the Lakers need to pay the guy 12 million a year?

I say, with Kobe already signed to a 3 year extension, get rid of PJ and give the team to Brian Shaw or bring back Kurt Rambis.

mike t.

Posted by: Michael C. Teniente | May 01, 2010 at 11:58 AM
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Geesh man, are you a Vulcan or what?
You get no joy from a championship and I assume no sadness or sense of loss when there is a loss?

You really are not a fan then are you?
You should be a reporter since you value neutrality so highly.

But here is what I really don't get.

You feel no joy when a championship is won, yet you can only feel displeasure while PJ is the coach. You find him disgusting, you say.
And you find it laughable that he is paid 12 mill to coach.
So you do feel emotion.
But you do not feel any joy when the Lakers win.
I have read here others compliment your great basketball mind. Maybe when you used to be here, (I wasn't) then you were. But I have read all your posts since you came back and I just don't see it.
There are certainly others on here who make outstanding technical analysis but I have yet to see anything from you that matches it.
I think you are unctuous.

BTW, how many rings did MJ, Shaq, and Kobe win without PJ as coach?

With the way Utah's young guns are playing, I kinda hope AK47 comes back in the 2nd round. He's a good defender and all, but he's also a liability on the offensive end.

The key will be limiting Millsap. Though he's undersized, he's strong, very active and plays with no fear. We may have more problems with him than Boozer.

If we don't let our guards down like we did last year against Houston, this series should go no more than 5 games.

Art - FL Lakers Fan,

Listen, man, I've been following the Lakers for over 40 years. I've experienced the Championships back to the days of Chamberlain. As I grown as a human being I noticed that all the energy I put into being a fan wasn't paying off. In other words: Winning the Championship didn't have the emotional impact I thought it would. No big deal. I just accepted it. I put it into context...I'm not a kid anymore.

How may rings did MJ, Shaq and Kobe win without PJ as coach...well, as a philosopher can I turn the question around? How many championships has PJ won without MJ, Shaq and Kobe? I mean that kind of justifies my point of view, in my opinion, without a roster full of all-stars, Jackson is pure myth and nothing more.

mike t.

JR??? You can't make my wish come true???? DANG!!! LOL!!

In all seriousness though - can't the ground just open up and swallow both of those teams?? I don't even care if it's done at the Q or at the Gahhhden - just so long as it's done.

THAT would really make this day more complete for me.

Who's in charge of that?

aaaahhh deep thoughts by mike t.. the socrates of our blog

so you choose to live your life as a philosopher.. i can respect that.. you define joy as a way of living rather than an emotion.. so when lakers were champs you felt not even a smidget or inkling of joy not even for a second...but rather had too many deeper issues in life to solve... haha

that i can't argue with.. please enlighten me mr modern day deep thinker.. i'm still trying to find the true meaning of life


yello - you're just encouraging him.

If one cannot find joy in a Laker championship, one's time is wasted on a Laker blog.


Simple as that.


STARVE the troll. Please. It's the only humane thing left to do.

JAMF,

"In all seriousness though - can't the ground just open up and swallow both of those teams?? I don't even care if it's done at the Q or at the Gahhhden - just so long as it's done."

I'm not even sure Satan himself would want to live with the Celtics...

yellofever,

I read an interesting article many years ago about championships. I read that Deion Sanders, after winning a championship, didn't really find too much joy. In fact, from what I remember...he even thought of suicide.

When I read that article, I thought to myself...the guy was empty and no Championship was going to meet his need for emotional contentment. Well, we know the rest of the Sanders story.

But over the years, I too, as a fan, felt somewhat disappointed in my emotion reaction to Championship whether it was the Lakers, Dodgers, Rams...and hopefully the Kings, one day. I enjoy moment of the journey to be sure. I got all excited with Kirk Gibson hit the homer to beat the A's. I jumped up and ran out the door yelling with my fist in the air. But when they won the championship...it was over.

The Horry shot to beat the Kings...like a great relief over a possible loss turned into victory...but when the championship was won....it was over.

Or when Bruce caught the 80 yarder from Warner to seal the Rams first super bowl, heck...I was so happy I almost couldn't hold back the tears of joy...that was a 30 year wait! The next day it was over.

I'm 50 years old now...I'm just waiting on the Kings.

mike t.

Kobe , of course , did not even congratulate Pau right after he made a lay up.
No matter how much you like the Lakers you must admit he sucks as a teammate.
I go to a lot of games and always witness it , so please do not call me a hater , I am a big fan of the organization.

Art - FL Lakers Fan,

Listen, man, I've been following the Lakers for over 40 years. I've experienced the Championships back to the days of Chamberlain. As I grown as a human being I noticed that all the energy I put into being a fan wasn't paying off. In other words: Winning the Championship didn't have the emotional impact I thought it would. No big deal. I just accepted it. I put it into context...I'm not a kid anymore.

How may rings did MJ, Shaq and Kobe win without PJ as coach...well, as a philosopher can I turn the question around? How many championships has PJ won without MJ, Shaq and Kobe? I mean that kind of justifies my point of view, in my opinion, without a roster full of all-stars, Jackson is pure myth and nothing more.

mike t.

Posted by: Michael C. Teniente | May 01, 2010 at 12:59 PM

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You say:

"Listen, man, I've been following the Lakers for over 40 years. I've experienced the Championships back to the days of Chamberlain."

I say: Do I detect a hint of anger in that sentence Mr. Vulcan?

40 years eh?

And your point being what exactly?

That you have followed the Lakers from birth or that you are about the same age as me?

Again, point?

So you aren't a kid anymore. Bummer you have forgotten how to embrace the child inside you, inside all of us.

Are you a music fan? I mean, are there any musicians you like, that bring any feeling of joy? Or art? Anything?

Anyway, so why are you here? I don't mean that in the deeper philosophical sense as in why are we here, I mean why are you here on this Lakers blog? Does it bring you joy in some sense to be here in an unemotional context?

You say:

"How may rings did MJ, Shaq and Kobe win without PJ as coach...well, as a philosopher can I turn the question around? How many championships has PJ won without MJ, Shaq and Kobe?"

Ok, stalemate on that one.

As a philoshopher, can I ask you, if a tree falls in the woods and no one is around to hear it, does it make any sound?

If I scroll over all your posts and never read them again, are you still here?

Hey Mike T, are you still posting your writings somewhere?


Wes

Art - FL Lakers Fan,

Interesting that here you are exchanging thoughts with me concerning the yea and the nay of joy over a championship.

What about last night's game. What happened to the joy of all that? Why aren't you wrapped up into that? Because a new day has dawned and yesterday is but a distant memory as we look forward to tomorrow.

mike t.

Wes,

Yeah, but it's been over a year since I've posted anything.

mike t.

I've seen a lot of people on here blast Phil Jackson lately for things like his substitution patterns. People, PJ knows exactly what he is doing. The man has 10 rings, he knows exactly what it takes to win a championship. He is preparing this team to face whatever struggles it may mace on its way to a title. Some people have questioned him for sitting Kobe late in the 3rd and early in the 4th quarters. Think about this for a minute guys. Imagine it's game 5 of the Finals, series tied 2-2, close game, and Kobe fouls out late in the game. What do the Lakers do, fold and go into a 3-2 series deficit, or trust the bench to pull out a victory? PJ is preparing his players for exactly this type of situation. PJ could have easily gotten several more regular season wins, and even finished the Thunder one game sooner, if he had gone into every game with the mindset of win "this" game at all costs. But that's not his way. He goes into every game with the mindset of molding his team into a champion at all costs. If a couple games have to be sacrificed in order to prepare this team to meet all challenges, so be it! Personally, I'm glad we have PJ to teach these guys how to win.

"Because a new day has dawned and yesterday is but a distant memory as we look forward to tomorrow."

It's the nature of the sperm cell from which we all come from. Always swimming forward as we fight for existence. LOL!

mike t.

Congrats to the Purple-and-Gold, but hats off to the Thunder. If they can use some of that cap space of theirs to sign Boozer, Stoudemire, or Bosh next year . . . Downright scary.

"Kobe , of course , did not even congratulate Pau right after he made a lay up."

Sooo...........

In your head he's only a good teammate if he does what you think he should do when you think he should do it.

You might have a chance with this argument if he didn't congratulate him at all. But not only did he congratulate him, they had a bonding moment, forehead to forehead, hand to head rub, eye to eye.

Wow! These jokers who keep saying Kobe has to do their way or he sucks, really suck!

Ok so he's a bad teammate. Next....

Geesh!

Art - FL Lakers Fan,

Interesting that here you are exchanging thoughts with me concerning the yea and the nay of joy over a championship.

What about last night's game. What happened to the joy of all that? Why aren't you wrapped up into that? Because a new day has dawned and yesterday is but a distant memory as we look forward to tomorrow.
mike t.
Posted by: Michael C. Teniente | May 01, 2010 at 01:30 PM
Michael T,
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I am glad that you find our exchange interesting.
No, yesterday is not yet a distant memory.
I have felt the high of last nights win all day.
My wife and I just watched the 4th quarter of last nights game again before checking in on the blog. What a great feeling!
I do feel a small sense of pity for you, that you either can't or won't allow yourself to feel it.
You think all those folks in OKC are happily going about their day today, or do you think some (many?) of them are feeling the loss still?
Yes, I know it will drift slowly away, but hopefully a win Sunday against the Jazz will restart it again.

Mike, many of us here are Lakerholics.
You can't reason with a Lakerholic.
We feel the joy, we feel the love.
But there is no use trying to explain, because you are an anti-Lakerholic.

True...I am not a Lakerholic.

I'm a theory-holic.

Have theory? Will travel.

lol

mike t.

You actually watch a replay of the 4th quarter?

Gee...I could never do something like that. You already know the outcome.

mike t.

with the victory over the Thunder the Lakers won the un-official WC Championship

during the month of May, the team will prepare for the finals: the One Month Lakers Friendly Tour.

there are at least 4 games scheduled against the Utah Jazz at home and on the road. the other team and the rest of the schedule TBA.

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as Kobe said, history kinda repeats. we play Jazz, Suns and Spurs. it's like a deja vu of the past 3 years.

and Lakers vs. Spurs will go back to the last decade
Lakers vs. Suns will remind us of Kobe heroics during the Smush/Kwame era. especially that Mike T is typing again.

"There are certainly others on here who make outstanding technical analysis but I have yet to see anything from you that matches it"

Dude, I wrote the Jackson Journal a couple of years ago here on this blog.

No one can match that. That was for the whole year.

I'm mike t. People come here to read me! Who the hell are you? (as mamba24 likes to remind people)

Where do you think that saying comes from? Out of thin air?

LOL!

mike t.

mike t

interesting you bring up deion sanders.. mr prime time.. i too followed him closely from FSU all the way to dallas and even the braves.. but thats one troubled athlete among a million with a checkered past and drug history.. so?

and maybe us laker fans are spoiled after winning so many rings.. but i think it was our own earvin magic johnson who once summed it up best when he said it felt better and better each time... each one a new journey a different battle with a new accomplishment

man you sure know how to suck the life out of a party...

Justa, umm.........so........yeah........ I kinda already knew (or at least strongly suspected) that you were a girl. I'm just really surprised that you thought it would make a difference to us. We are Lakerholics here and we don't care if you're a girl, a guy, whatever. All we care about are the awesome and insightful comments you make on here. Seriously, you and Mamba are my two favorites here. You guys are the reason I stopped just reading this blog and decided to join in.

You actually watch a replay of the 4th quarter?
Gee...I could never do something like that. You already know the outcome.
mike t.
Posted by: Michael C. Teniente | May 01, 2010 at 01:49 PM
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Yup, and I would be willing to bet others here watch part of the game again also.
So, you cannot do anything where you already know the outcome?
You must be constipated something awful.
:)

Dude, I wrote the Jackson Journal a couple of years ago here on this blog.
No one can match that. That was for the whole year.
I'm mike t. People come here to read me! Who the hell are you? (as mamba24 likes to remind people)
Where do you think that saying comes from? Out of thin air?
LOL!
mike t.
Posted by: Michael C. Teniente | May 01, 2010 at 01:56 PM
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A philosopher with humility, resting on laurels, nice touch.
Ok then 'dude', I will patiently await your next masterpiece.

About the Jazz series, we got this one. As much as Fisher struggles against top notch point guards, the last couple years he has done a fantastic job on Deron Williams. Yes, DWill will still get his, but it will be tough and take the Jazz out of their game. That really frees up Kobe on defense. I think the Jazz will be able to get one win in the series (unless DWill is seriously hurt), but that's it. Lakers in 5!

Well, look at that picture of Gasoft. Goody, Goody, we won. What a retard. All he needs is the plastic black horned rimmed glasses to complete the nerd look. Don't make fun of retarded people, i know. Anyhow, enjoy it whilst you can Faker fans. Utah in 6.

A philosopher with humility, resting on laurels, nice touch.
Ok then 'dude', I will patiently await your next masterpiece.
Posted by: Art - FL Lakers Fan | May 01, 2010 at 02:09 PM

at first its hard to spot a phony when you see one.. first its based on a hunch or mere speculation.. i like to form my opinions on facts or empirical evidence but eventually after sign after sign after sign.. then u just gotta take a leap of faith.. still debating...

Yup, and I would be willing to bet others here watch part of the game again also.
So, you cannot do anything where you already know the outcome?
You must be constipated something awful. :) Posted by: Art - FL Lakers Fan | May 01, 2010 at 02:05 PM

Hell yeah I watch parts of the games again! And I know I've seen others on here say they have too. In fact, a lot of people love re-watching games they already know the outcome to. Why do you think ESPN Classic even exists?

oh yeah... just hopin mike t aint like the last guy who tried to sell me an investment.. extremely well spoken and eloquent.. smooth talker.. sharp.. charming.. just had an amazing way with words.. but when push came to shove he was nowhere to be found..

too busy to drop in the blog last year to celebrate with us huh? funny how they all say the same thing...

Hell yeah I watch parts of the games again! And I know I've seen others on here say they have too. In fact, a lot of people love re-watching games they already know the outcome to. Why do you think ESPN Classic even exists?

Posted by: Troy B | May 01, 2010 at 02:25 PM
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Troy,

Good point!
I love watching those old Lakers games when they are on.
And I can watch that Gibson at bat, foul after foul, then the big HR, over and over and over.

Art -FL Lakers Fan,

you wrote: Yup, and I would be willing to bet others here watch part of the game again also.
So, you cannot do anything where you already know the outcome?
You must be constipated something awful. :) Posted by: Art - FL Lakers Fan | May 01, 2010 at 02:05 PM

my response: BUSTED! Watched it again this morning on the NBA channel.

I don't always drink beer. But, when I do ... I prefer dos equis.

Stay Thirsty My Friends!

Go Kobe!
Go Lakers!!!

hobbitmage,

Lol, funny guy you.
Darn, now I'm thirsty.

Mike Teniente,

You wrote;

"With a gimpy or with no Bynum...all bets are off in the West. The Lakers won't get to the finals."

I say;

Pardon me sir, with all due respect, I may not be well verse with all the details of Basketball/ Coaching, but I find your conclusion a bit funny.

I will remember this throughout this playoffs. Why? Because I'm thinking OTHERWISE. As sood as Andrew has been for the Lakers, I strongly believe that we can beat Utah and Spurs/ Suns with or without Bynum. LAKERS WILL REACH THE FINALS WITH OR WITHOUT BYNUM. Lakers have done it before and can do it again. No matter how good Spurs or Jazz or Suns has been playing lately, we match up well with them(even without Bynum). You saying they're playing good basketball? How about those Lakers? I bet Spurs can't keep up with the Thunder, had they met in the first round.

Remember Mike Teneinte, I WILL MARK YOUR WORDS.


LAKERS ALL DAY!!!

>>>I find it laughable that the guy is paid 12 million a year to coach a roster full
>>> of all-stars

Once again, Mike T proves controversial... and completely wrong.

There are two current all-stars on the Lakers - Kobe and Pau.

Artest was an all-star years ago, but not currently.

Denver has two all-stars (Carmelo and Chauncey), but George Karl has gotten them zero rings.

Phoenix has two all-stars (Nash and Stoudemire), and had more, but they have no rings from either D'Antoni or Alvin Gentry.

Atlanta has two all-stars (Al Horford and Joe Johnson, not to mention near all-star Josh Smith) but Mike Woodson hasn't led them to a title.

Dallas has two all-stars (Jason Kidd & Dirk Nowitzki) plus a cast of several ex all-stars (Shawn Marion, Caron Butler, ), but Rick Carlisle got stomped in the first round.

Do you think Doc Rivers is a bad coach? He has 3 All-Stars plus Ray Allen.

Do you think Popovich is a bad coach? He won titles with Tim Duncan, Manu Ginobili, and Tony Parker.

Did you think Pat Riley was a bad coach for winning championships with Kareem, Magic, Worthy, et al? Those teams had WAY more talent than current teams. Does that make Riley a bad coach in your eyes?

Tell us Mike T, who is a good upstanding coach, in your opinion? Mike Dunleavy, who couldn't take a fairly loaded Clippers team to the playoffs? Maybe Mike D'Antoni whose teams score a bazillion points but never make it as far as the finals.

Who is it Mike? Who is a coach you respect who takes a team of no-names to the finals and wins?

mike smith,

>>>enjoy it whilst you can Faker fans. Utah in 6.

And as the lights fade on game 6 in OKC, cue in the Jazz trolls.


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