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Caught in the Web: Early preview of the much anticipated Lakers-Celtics Finals matchup

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Lakers links

--The Times' Mike Bresnahan says the Lakers don't need a video reminder of their 2008 Finals loss to the Celtics -- the memory of losing is more than enough.

--The Times' Mark Heisler breaks down the individual matchups.

--The Times' Broderick Turner focuses on what Kobe Bryant learned from his team's loss to Boston in the 2008 Finals. Turner also talks to an NBA scout who believes this year's Lakers-Celtics Finals matchup will be an exciting series from start to finish.

--The New York Times' Howard Beck highlights the unfinished business both teams feel.

--The Orange County Register's Kevin Ding explains why the Lakers want to make sure they properly channel their motivation against Boston.

Magic Johnson argues in the video below that defense will present a key factor in the series.

--ESPN Los Angeles' Brian Kamenetzky lists 20 questions to chew on before the Lakers-Celtics series begins (again).

--Lakers analyst Stu Lantz believes Pau Gasol must get physical with Kevin Garnett, something he sorely lacked in the team's 2008 Finals loss.

--The Riverside Press Enterprise's Gregg Patton recounts the episode where Ron Artest approached Kobe Bryant in the shower following the Lakers' 2008 Finals loss to Boston and promised he'd help him win a ring in L.A.

--Hoopsworld's Eric Pincus breaks down each Finals matchup.

--Fox Sports' Charley Rosen says the series will be decided by the Lakers' considerable advantage in various matchups and predicts the Lakers will triumph in six games.

--NBA.com's Sekou Smith remains convinced the Lakers will use their 2008 Finals loss to the Celtics as motivation.

--The Daily News' Elliott Teaford compares and contrasts the makeup of the current Lakers and Celtics teams with that of the 2008 Finals team rosters.

--The Washington Post's Mike Wise argues it's not out of the question to start comparing Kobe Bryant to Michael Jordan.

--Forum Blue and Gold's Darius reflects on the Lakers-Celtics regular-season matchups.

--Silver Screen and Roll's C.A. Clark argues that the 2008 NBA Finals has no bearing on this year's series.

Celtics links

--The Boston Globe's Julian Benbow notes that the Celtics are still the same, with the same starting five from the 2008 Finals. Benbow also previews the series.

--The Boston Herald's Dan Duggan explains why Tony Gaffney holds the Lakers in high regards.

--ESPN Boston says that if the Lakers' and Celtics' regular-season matchups are any indication, the Finals too will go down to the wire.

ESPN highlights in the video below how the Celtics and Lakers got here

--Fox Sports argues that there's no better chant in all of sports than "Beat L.A."

--ESPN Boston's Peter May predicts the matchup will create another chapter in the rivalry between the Lakers and the Celtics.

--The Boston Herald's Mark Murphy attributes the Celtics' success this season to Doc Rivers' coaching.

--NBA.com's Shaun Powell details Rajon Rondo's maturity and development.

--The Boston Globe's John Powers tackles Kendrick Perkins' on-court and off-court persona.

--The Boston Globe's Bob Ryan believes this year's Celtics team is among the franchise's greatest.

--The Boston Globe's Dan Shaughnessy contends he believed the Celtics would pull through even when things looked hopeless.

--Sports Illustrated's Ian Thomsen highlights Nate Robinson's contributions.

--Yahoo! Sports' Adrian Wojnarowski points to Rivers' managing the team's minutes to ensure a healthy lineup paid dividends during the postseason.

--Yahoo! Sports wonders if Boston has what it takes to win its second championship in three seasons.

Tweet of the Day: "Kobe is the best. The shots he made last night was insane. We played great defense and he would not be denied. You have to give him love!" -- AlvinGentry (Phoenix Suns Coach Alvin Gentry).

Reader Comment of the Day: "The reality for both teams is that there's zero margin for error. A single space cadet moment can change the outcome of every game." -- Rick Friedman

-- Mark Medina

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Photo: Lakers guard Kobe Bryant is none too happy after Celtics forward James Posey hit a three-pointer in the Game 6 victory for Boston, which set a record for margin of victory in the 2008 NBA Finals with a 131-92 win. Credit: Wally Skalij / Los Angeles Times

 
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Tim-4-Show

I would gladly see your prediction come true and have the Lakes win on the Fauquet floor at the Gah-dun. I esp like your idea about PJ lighting up a cigar and blowing smoke in Russell's face, but why stop at PJ?

If the Lakes win it in Boston, I think the whole team should light up a Montecristo. That would be hilarious.

Smush Parker & Kwame Brown aren’t walking through the door.

Neither is Posey (who along with RuPaul Pierce, Ray, and Rondo had to guard “THE MAMBA”; yet he still averaged 26ppg). Neither is Powe. Neither is P.J. Brown. No more home court advantage.

WHEELCHAIRS anyone?

The Lakers are 3-1 vs Celtics since '08 Finals. That one lost, 87-86, happened with Kobe NOT even playing. Likewise, the Lakers have been prepared for Rondo. They just finished off NASH, WESTBROOK, DERON. The best point guards in the west, not named CP3. Rondo is just par for the course. Additionally, the Suns prepared them for the Celtic's "zone" defense. Bynum? He's been a non-factor in the playoffs for the last three years. And the results have been the same.

THREE straight trips to the FINALS.

Time for the PURPLE shower to REIGN all over the garden’s lawn. Given Boston's inability to both win at HOME & SECURE 4th quarter leads, and MOST IMPORTANTLY the Lakeshow's penchant for finishing off teams on the road-- the LAKERS in FIVE.

On to the NEXT ONE. SWEET 16.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H6DuDn5FrsI

"Beat LA" is a badge of honor for Laker fans IMO.

When I hear that chant I think they respect us, they hate us, and they fear us. What other team has opposing fans that obsessed with them! I mean that chant has been heard in Sac Town, Phoenix, San Antonio, Portland, Boston, and every other NBA city.

If it's true that you can judge someone by the greatness of their enemies then the Lakers are truly bad mofos.

I usually don't get this rah-rah, we must be playing the Celtics in the Finals.

It was 'losers' who started it, and 'losers' who repeat it out of jealousy.

It was started on Boston's home court as the 76's were drubbing them to qualify for the Finals. Which the 76's eventually lost to the awaiting Lakers.

Yes, losing Celtics fans were so disappointed in their team losing, they begged another team to carry out what they couldn't do, beat the Lakers.

Whenever I hear that shouted by fans, they are just proclaiming to the TV and anyone else that listens, they are 'losers' and extremely jealous of LA's team.

Yes, we are that good, that so many are willing to make themselves into fools to repeat that. I personally love it when they shout it out and love it even more when our Lakers beat that team.

My favorite shout-out this year, is "Boston Sucks!", especially yelled during the Fox post-game show.

Four more days until the 'Big Event'!

We are leaving on our family vacation, a Caribbean cruise.

Have already checked, the Cruise line has satellite and will be televising the games. Internet will be spotty, so my comments here will be spotty as well.

So, I will watch the Lakers march through Boston from the ship, and be back in time to watch the Lakers march down Figueroa in person.

First Phoenix, and now Boston, in the same year. It doesn't get any better for this Lakers fan living in Arizona.

"PINCH ME Justanothermambafan, I think I'm dreaming!"

If the Lakes win it in Boston, I think the whole team should light up a Montecristo. That would be hilarious.


Posted by: Mark G | May 31, 2010 at 10:37 AM

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Red actually smoked a Hoyo de Monterrey as his victory cigar. So if you really want to rub it in, then they should light up Hoyo's.

Over here at Notre Dame, whenever Boston College comes in they all wear "Rudy Sucks" shirts. Very funny stuff.


And I really want to see one of the Lakers' bigs bait Perkins into a double technical. Bynum probably isn't crafty enough to do it, but maybe Gasol is. You don;t need Perkins to get himself trown out on his own, just get him riled up, get the double tech thrown on both players, and take advantage of the advantage.


And game one, my lord, that'll be huge. We better not give up home court.


Wes

NBA2K10 DOESN'T MEAN SPIT!!!!
2008 FINALS DON'T MEAN SPIT!!!!
THIS IS A NEW DAY!!!

GO LAKERS!!!!

Rick Friedman: "I don't know how many times the simulation was run, but it is also worth noting that apparently Las Vegas odds makers run such simulations thousands of times."

Apparently Vegas odds makers don't use NBA 2k10, I was in a sports book last night and here's the line for Game 1:

Lakers 5-1/2 point FAVORITES! Over-Under 193.

If you do the math, Vegas' simulation of Game 1 came out Lakers 99/Keltics 94

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MATCHUPS

LAKERS on DEFENSE:

KOBE on Rondo--KOBE will have to stay home more on Rondo's outside shot, but, just like against Russell Westbrook, KOBE has the length and defensive prowess to close him off. PLUS: KOBE is healthier than he was in the OKC series. ADVANTAGE: KOBE

DEREK on Ray Allen--Allen has the height advantage, but DEREK will dog him. May have to put Shannon Brown and/or Sasha V. on him if DEREK gets in early foul trouble fighting the double screens. ADVANTAGE: RAY ALLEN

RON-RON on Pierce--ARTEST has the body strength and defensive prowess to shut down Pierce. Pierce went off in the Orlando series because Vince Carter and Matt Barnes aren't great defenders (at most they're pesky); that is, they aren't ARTEST! ADVANTAGE: RON-RON

PAU on KG--This is PAU v2010, not version 2008. He's stronger both mentally and physically. He's going to have a chip on his shoulder in the Redemption 2010 series. He's blocking more shots and rebounding his best this playoff run. KG is looking limited, but once he's on the court we've got to figure him to step it up for the finals. ADVANTAGE: EVEN (PAU if KG is hobbled)

DREW on Perkins--Perkins is no high fly act and is definitely NOT Mr. Mobility. Even without getting his knee drained, DREW will be able to defend him and grab some rebounds. He'll also be able to block and alter shots. PLUS: If DREW has fluid on his knee, that would provide additional pain and lack of mobility. Draining the knee could dramatically reduce his pain and increase his mobility. ADVANTAGE: DREW if Knee Draining Works, Otherwise EVEN

BENCH DEFENSE:

LAMAR will have to step up on Big Baby and/or 'Sheed (If 'Sheed's 3s drop, it will difficult for Lamar but Post-D against 'Sheed won't be due to Lamar's length). ADVANTAGE: LAMAR Against Big Baby; EVEN Against 'Sheed

JORDAN will have to stay in front of 'Lil Nate (easier said than done, but not impossible) and defend smarter by forcing 'Lil Nate into traffic and the Lakers length rather than laying off and giving him the 3. ADVANTAGE: WILD CARD

SHANNON will have to defend smarter against the baseline screen the Keltics like to use to free up Tony Allen for layups and dunks (NOTE: Artest will body up Pierce and take away that same play). PLUS: SHANNON's more athletic. ADVANTAGE: SHANNON

SASHA is a WILD CARD. If he plays smart, he's a pesky defender that will get under the skin of the Keltics bench. ADVANTAGE: WILD CARD

LAKERS on OFFENSE:

KOBE is Healthy and on a Mission. Keltics will have to double, even triple team him. Pierce can't stay in front of him, Ray Allen can't stop him, etc., etc. Moreover, KOBE's body won't be banging Pierce on D. 'Nuff Said. ADVANTAGE: KOBE

DEREK is Mr. Big Shot 2010 (and 2009) Playoffs. He finds a way on offense and defense. 'Nuff Said. Rondo will guard him, in all probabiliy, and DEREK will have to protect the ball from him. PLUS: DEREK plays smart and will find a way. ADVANTAGE: DEREK

RON-RON is a Wild Card on Offense. Not sure what he'll do from game to game. But he'll be there when needed. ADVANTAGE: WILD CARD

PAU has mobility, skills and added mental and physical strength since 2008. He'll force double teams which will open up other players for shots, including DREW. A limited KG will mean a long night for the Keltics. If KG steps up and fights thru his physical limitations, he still will need help--can't put Perkins on Pau with DREW on the floor. ADVANTAGE: PAU

DREW's knee is the big question. If draining the knee increases his mobility, scoring will come back up to 15+ points. Otherwise, 6-10 points a game. Either way, a bonus. ADVANTAGE: DREW

BENCH:

LAMAR needs to step up his game like he did in 2009. In the last 2 games of Western Conference finals 2009, he started elevating his game and it carried over into the Finals against Orlando. The Phoenix Nones are a different team than the Thuggets and LAMAR didn't bring his offensive game. ADVANTAGE: WILD CARD

JORDAN will need to post up 'Lil Nate. Keltics will either have to double team and force the pass out or take their chances that 'Lil Nate can defend the taller JORDAN. ADVANTAGE: JORDAN

SHANNON needs to get some transition dunks and shots to get his rhythm. ADVANTAGE: WILD CARD

SASHA is a WILD CARD. His shot is starting to drop and if it continues he'll help spread the floor. ADVANTAGE: WILD CARD

COACHING STAFF:

ADVANTAGE: LAKERS (10 Rings to 1 Ring. Doc Rivers Finals Approach was a Wild Card in 2008 since hadn't been there before. Thibidoux's defensive scheme was basically an unknown in '08, not anymore.)

HOME COURT: NO ADVANTAGE. Both teams can win on each other's floors.

BOTTOM LINE: LAKERS IN 5 or 6!!!!

GO LAKERS!!! ONE, TWO, THREE, DOMINATE!!!

If these finals get TOO physical, then the refs' "judgement" will affect the outcome. Ron will have to play really smart to close down Pierce and stay out of foul trouble. Pierce gets more than his share of "favorable" calls....

M2,

Thanks for noting today's Mike Wise column. Dude takes my breath away.

To everyone who's posted today. Really awesome stuff. Best day on the blog in a long, long time.

**BRAVEHEART - Part 2 - Scene 24 - Take 8**

Chick Hearn (narrates): I will tell you the story of Kobe Bean Bryant. Historians will call me a liar, but history is written by those who have hung heroes.

(Kobe Bryant enters locker room)

Kobe Bryant: Sons of Laker Nation! I am Kobe Bryant!

Sasha V: This can't be Kobe Bryant. Machine is prettier than this man.

Laker Towel Boy: That's not Kobe. The Black Mamba is seven feet tall!

Kobe: Yes, I've heard. Kills men by the hundreds. And if HE were here, he'd consume the Celtics with fireballs from his eyes, and bolts of lightning from his arse.

(coaching staff laughs)

Kobe: I AM Kobe Bryant! And I see a whole army of Lakers, here in defiance of illegal picks, wheelchairs, false bravado and tyranny. You've come to fight as Lakers... and Lakers you are. What will you do with that honor? Will you fight?

Luke Walton / Vlad Rad (in unison): Fight? Against Paula Pierce? No! We will run. And we will live.

Kobe: Aye, fight and you may die. Run, and you'll live... at least a while. And dying in your beds, many years from now, would you be willin' to trade ALL the days, from this day to that, for one chance, just one chance, to come back here to the Garden and tell our green enemies that they may steal a couple games, but they'll never take... OUR RE-PEEEEAT!

(Ron Artest appears out of nowhere, shirtless, with tears gushing down his face)

Ron Artest: HELL YEEEAAAH! I will help you my Lord!

Kobe: True Warrior, why do you help me?

(pause for uncomfortable silence, as both characters gaze at each other)

Ron (finally whispers): Because of the way you are looking at me now.

Kobe: You have bled with TMac and Yao, NOW BLEED WITH ME!

CHAAAAARGE, KILL THE CELTS!

Kobe vs. the Big 3 {2007-2010} :

Regular Season----5 games, FG% of .389
Playoffs-------------6 games, FG% of .404

This man never has, and never will, hurt us!


With all the pointless predictions, simulations and endless matchup prognostications there's been little mention of Phil Jackson.

Phil never lost a final until Detroit. He doesn't have the Celtic history that the Laker franchise has, but a repeat of 08 is out of the question. Players play the game, but Phil wants this one.

He didn't have the bodies before, he's got the pieces this time. Advantage Lakers.

Rick - No problem man. I'm glad you pointed it out. I just got into such the routine of getting the usual sources, I forgot about that. Also congrats on the RCOTD

MM

It is the general consensus that the Artest-Pierce matchup is one of the keys to victory. We cannot expect Ron to totally shut down an All-Star like Pierce, BUT, if Ron can keep Paul below his average (just as Ron did against Durant), then he will have accomplished the mission.
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So how did Pierce perform against Ron during the regular season? The numbers are interesting.
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During the two regular season games against BOS, Pierce scored 11 and 15 points for an average of 13 ppg. That is a significant 30% drop in point production from his regular season average of 18.3 ppg.
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Paul's accuracy was also down during those two games - 40% FG (8 of 20) vs. 47.5% regular season average. His 3-point shooting was also down - 36.3% (4 of 11) vs 40.5% regular season average.
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The other interesting stat is that Pierce had more TO's during those 2 games compared to his season average. Even Paul's assists numbers were down (2.5 vs 3.1 season average).
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So we can definitely conclude that Ron was able to contain Pierce below his normal productivity during those 2 regular season games. Will it carry over to the post-season? We will find out on Thursday but if the regular season is any indication, then: Paul Pierce, welcome to the Ron Artest House of Pain.

OMG, Laker Truth, that was GOLD. Hilarious and inspirational. :)

Also, for anyone doubting Pau Gasol, I just wanted to bring this over from Marc Spears' column on Yahoo!Sports. It's about how Boston fans threw rocks at the Lakers' bus after Game 6 in 2008: “It was painful,” Lakers forward Pau Gasol said. “It is a feeling that I want to keep in my mind for every single minute that I’m out there playing them.”

Yea, he remembers. And he's gonna play that way, I have no doubt in my mind.

Dear Andrew:
The pain goes away, but history will be there for ever. Your knee can't get worse, so **"# it. You can be the key, so learn from Kobe an PLAY YOUR A** OUT!!!

LAKER TRUTH.....

Very nice and very, very funny!!

My favorite line..."You have bled with TMac and Yao, now bleed with me!"

LMAO!!!

Kobe: You have bled with TMac and Yao, NOW BLEED WITH ME! CHAAAAARGE, KILL THE CELTS! Posted by: LAKER TRUTH | May 31, 2010 at 11:55 AM
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PREACH LAKERTRUTH, PREACH!...OUT FREAKIN STANDING
MAMBA24

Some things about Artest/Lakers:


Bill Ingram, chat:


Mike in : How well do you think Ron Artest can do vs Paul Pierce? Since Rondo will get his own, don't you think Ron's D vs Paul will have a huge impact whether The C's have a legitimate chance of winning?


Bill Ingram: I think his defense will be a factor, but frankly I think Pierce is too much of a big-game player to be contained. He's the driving force behind the Celtics, together with Rondo. We know Artest is going to cost the Lakers one game with his shot selection, but he also might win one as he did in the Suns series. Whatever the case, I have to give the SF position advantage to Boston, even though I think the Lakers win the series.


t in philly: Is Kobe UNDISPUDELY/OFFICIALLY the best in the league!


Bill Ingram: No one who actually watches the NBA as a whole ever disputed Kobe being the best in the league. If you've been reading my chats all year you know that's all I've ever said.


stlouispacer in imperial,mo: any comment on officiating for the finals. I think rondo will hit the ground every 30 seconds. fisher has a habit of chest/hip/ leg bumps when guards are off balance or in the air. effective yes. legal?


Bill Ingram: That's "Crafty." The way Fisher has been able to stick around on a championship team for this long is because his basketball IQ is off the charts. I don't like to get involved in officiating. Play hard, build a double-digit lead before the final 2 minutes. Don't let the refs decide the game.


Spence in : I think the celts are going to win,both teams have a starters but celts have a better bench. My question is what makes the lakers a for sure thing to win it all? (kobe there but no one has ever won a Title by himself except DWYANE WADE!)


Bill Ingram: Kobe . . .and he's not doing it by himself. Gasol, Artest, Fisher - all have been huge at times thus far. Boston has the better bench, no question, but Kobe is the difference.


Calvin in Laker nation: Do you think the c's will play any zone on the lakers? Due to the sucess the suns had with it?


Bill Ingram: I'm absolutely certain that Thibodeau is going to spend a lot of time watching film of the Suns' zone this week. In between job interviews, that is.


Has this been posted yet? Ron's feelings on indiana?


"Ron Artest: Regretful About Ending in Indiana


Ron-Ron tells CBS that to this day, he feels remorse about how things ended in Indy: “Artest recently revealed just how scarred he remains from the infamous brawl at the Palace of Auburn Hills in 2004, when he was excommunicated from basketball and branded not only a villain, but also a damaged soul — a castoff not worthy or capable of rehabilitation. And it is worse than that for Artest, who said to this day he feels like a coward when in the presence of his former Pacers teammates like Reggie Miller and Jermaine O’Neal, as well as executives Larry Bird and Donnie Walsh. ‘The biggest regret of my life, really, is bailing out on that Pacer team,’ Artest said. ‘I mean, outside not going to church every single Sunday, bailing out on that Pacer team is my biggest regret. Every time I see Jermaine, every time I see Steve [Jackson] and Jamaal [Tinsley] … I get a little bit of a feeling when I see Bird, because he was such a great player and I respect him so much. So I get that feeling when I see Bird. I feel like a coward. I feel like I don’t even belong in their presence, really.’ The Pacers were coming off a 61-win season and a loss in the Eastern Conference finals when Artest’s career, and the Indiana franchise, were dealt a blow from which it seemed neither would ever recover. As much as the brawl itself, and the 73-game suspension that followed, Artest is ashamed of his behavior in the aftermath — demanding a trade and bailing on his team … In fact, Artest said he has not once told Walsh, Bird, Miller or anyone else how he feels. ‘Never,’ Artest said. Well, now they know. ‘When I saw Jermaine [this season], I felt like I didn’t even belong in the same room as him,’ Artest said. ‘I felt like a coward. I don’t like feeling like a coward, and I feel like a coward. That’s the biggest regret of my life. Steve Jackson, Jermaine, Jamaal, even Jeff [Foster] — a blue-collar guy like him, put his life on the line for us on the court, and I totally disrespected him. And of course Reggie. I was in a position to win a championship, Reggie was in position, and I bailed out on Reggie. I feel like a coward. A big-time coward. It’s hard for me to even speak to them, hard for me to see them.”‘


Wes

M2,

Thanks for the props. And right back at ya! Major props are due you for your dogged determination to get this forum back under control amidst the abuse, whining, and other craziness in recent days. The preponderance of smart, learned and thoughtful comments today is in great measure because of your willingness to play cop in a vigilant and fair-minded way and open the doors to what really matters. Surely you've considered the possibility that it's easier to herd cats.

Okay... I posted a while on the back threads but here it is my today post, so better repost a bit of past words here before I get further.

First of all, I renew the compliments to Laker Tom's analysis of the match up. Wow... after reading that I won't even attempt at saying something myself, cos it would be just a pale revoicing of your insight ;)

About the "simulator", this is what I said:
>>>> start>>>

And about the previous thread, as I said it still pains me to recall the 2008 shame.
And this is actually what will boost us, because also our warriors cannot forget about it, just amend about it and step further NOW.
Our tears and pain and shame will gift us a new step into the glory this year.
I'm so convinced about it.
Dunno what makes me so confident.
I generally fear any Final.
This year... I don't know... I just don't.
Not for disrespecting Celtics (no, absolutely not. I hate them fiercely as rivals, but I do respect them a LOT).
It's just what I sense deep inside.
Feminine taste ;)

I also want you to read what Nash graciously said about Kobe.
Why?
You know I consider Nash a genius of basketball, and when a genius and a fierce and stubborn (and self-assured) competitor as Nash bows to someone, you gotta realize that someone is UNPARALLELED.
Like it just and exactly is.
Kobe Reigns:
"Nash on Kobe: He's incredibly skilled, talented, a great competitor, clutch. Deserves incredible amount of praise for his ability."

You see me grin widely now.

And I won't even start about Kobe... I wait for this season to end, to compose my ode to my hero.

I just can't wait to see this Final.
It's the biggest rivalry in the biggest competition.

It's gonna be bold and beautiful and heartbreaking and breathtaking and we all should feel blessed that we can live such an emotional moment, in harmony among us.

I do.

Have a great evening LakerFam ;)

And you, Green Enemies: I'm happy we found you.
Because in the end, it's always fair to get to past the greatest fear to reach the greatest gear.

Let's make this a basketball celebration.

An honourable, majestic, memorable basketball celebration.

g'nite ;)

Dear Andrew: The pain goes away, but history will be there for ever. Your knee can't get worse, so **"# it. You can be the key, so learn from Kobe an PLAY YOUR A** OUT!!!Posted by: MrNano | May 31, 2010 at 12:10 PM
NOW THAT'S WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT!!

Ted Green is an unprofessional journalist who writes lies.

Anyone who thinks Pierce can't shut down Artest doesn't know basketball.

Since when is koME covering Rondo? PLEASE do that - we are begging you to put Fisher on Ray Allen.

And there was no mention of Tony Allen in that post. koME has said he defends him better than almost anyone in the league!!

Odumb and Gasol vs KG, Perkins, Sheed and Davis - advantage Celtics. You haven't had to defend anyone over 6' 10" or with any muscle. We have 4 of them.

The lakers may win, I make no bones about that. We are very concerned and very aware of how good you are. But it pains me to think that most of the posters on here think you'll run through us like you did Utah!!

WE AIN'T UTAH!!!! Put the brooms away, there will be no sweep. You may win ONE in Boston, but not two. 6 or 7 games, PERIOD!!

I would be very remiss if I did not extend Memorial Day wishes to my Lakersblog family.

And, of course, we are all hyped up about our team facing the Celtics in the Finals. But I hope each and every one of us take the time, for a moment, to reflect on the sacrifices that American veterans, past and present, have made and continue to make for our country. Many thanks to all of them and their families as well.

DARN... Wrong Cut & Paste.
I must be too tired from three hours of late evening tennis... I'm blanked.
Sorry.

Repost of the previous post, with the complete parts ;)
(*sigh*...)

Okay... I posted a while on the back threads but here it is my today post, so better repost a bit of past words here before I get further.

First of all, I renew the compliments to Laker Tom's analysis of the match up. Wow... after reading that I won't even attempt at saying something myself, cos it would be just a pale revoicing of your insight ;)

About the "simulator", this is what I said:

"It's natural in some way that the game is predicting this out of the given data.
Not shocking.
They take the "supposed value" of the players, and although to me Lakers are superior collectively and one on one, no one can deny Celtics are a great team, with players that stay "around" Lakers global level.
So in this case, the simulator actually sees like "Lakers 9, Celtics 8.5 value".

Then the simulator collects data of performances so far, and you have Celtics who have beated out Crabs and Magic with a certain substantial power, and then the system (out of supposed and given high value of Cleveland and Orlando, again based on panels questionably precise)rates them probably like a 10.
Lakers on the other side have faced teams considered "slightly" less than crabs and orlando, which make the results in our playoffs for teh machine like a 7, or a 7.5.

In all this, there is the usual bias that rates Eastern teams higher in power due to biggest number in regular season, which derives from an EASIER league they have, and then the evaluation is not really objective from the start.

There it goes the "natural" predominance of Celtics.

Another reason to not really trust that simulation this time in the crossing f East/West is human factor.

No machine can understand teh impact of revenge factor.

No one.

But we can.

And it's just happening.

Surely, it will cost us blood and pain and it's definitely NOT gonna be easy.
Celtics are a powerful opponent.
Talented.
Focused and with a great pedigree.

But it won't be enough.

It won't.

It's OUR time to shine.

Let's get this party started.

;)"

And about the previous thread, as I said it still pains me to recall the 2008 shame.
And this is actually what will boost us, because also our warriors cannot forget about it, just amend about it and step further NOW.
Our tears and pain and shame will gift us a new step into the glory this year.
I'm so convinced about it.
Dunno what makes me so confident.
I generally fear any Final.
This year... I don't know... I just don't.
Not for disrespecting Celtics (no, absolutely not. I hate them fiercely as rivals, but I do respect them a LOT).
It's just what I sense deep inside.
Feminine taste ;)

I also want you to read what Nash graciously said about Kobe.
Why?
You know I consider Nash a genius of basketball, and when a genius and a fierce and stubborn (and self-assured) competitor as Nash bows to someone, you gotta realize that someone is UNPARALLELED.
Like it just and exactly is.
Kobe Reigns:
"Nash on Kobe: He's incredibly skilled, talented, a great competitor, clutch. Deserves incredible amount of praise for his ability."

You see me grin widely now.

And I won't even start about Kobe... I wait for this season to end, to compose my ode to my hero.

I just can't wait to see this Final.
It's the biggest rivalry in the biggest competition.

It's gonna be bold and beautiful and heartbreaking and breathtaking and we all should feel blessed that we can live such an emotional moment, in harmony among us.

I do.

Have a great evening LakerFam ;)

And you, Green Enemies: I'm happy we found you.
Because in the end, it's always fair to get to past the greatest fear to reach the greatest gear.

Let's make this a basketball celebration.

An honourable, majestic, memorable basketball celebration.

g'nite ;)

It's gonna be bold and beautiful and heartbreaking and breathtaking and we all should feel blessed that we can live such an emotional moment, in harmony among us. I do. Have a great evening LakerFam ;) And you, Green Enemies: I'm happy we found you.Because in the end, it's always fair to get to past the greatest fear to reach the greatest gear. Let's make this a basketball celebration. An honourable, majestic, memorable basketball celebration. g'nite ;) Posted by: ZairaAmaterasu | May 31, 2010 at 12:16 PM
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INSPIRATION THY NAME IS ZAIRAAMATERASU!!!
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So we can definitely conclude that Ron was able to contain Pierce below his normal productivity during those 2 regular season games. Will it carry over to the post-season? We will find out on Thursday but if the regular season is any indication, then: Paul Pierce, welcome to the Ron Artest House of Pain.

Posted by: The Snake | May 31, 2010 at 12:01 PM

Laker fan-

With such a huge sample,2 reg season games, we can definetly conclude that Dribble Dribble was able to contain Pierce below his normal productivity.

So use the same formula and we can definetly conclude that the Celtics will contain Kobe below his normal productivity ... right?

2 reg season games and you can come to a "definite conclusion" ... how myopic!

We should try to get blog god Mark Medina, of Syracuse and lacrosse-lover, to organize a Lakers Blog meet-up. He can agree to hold something like "office hours" at a trendy coffee shop at a certain time and all blog followers who are interested in meeting him can come by and talk Lakers.

Anyone down?

-- D J Wags

This is the matchup that I wanted all along! The Celtics are so over-rated, in terms of their "physical" style of play. This team is old. What's more, THREE very key pieces of their 2008 team that beat the Lakers is no longer there: James Posey, Eddie House, and Leon Powe. Moreover, during the Finals that year, the Celtics got some very nice minutes from the "physical" PJ Brown, who's no longer there either. Posey and House hit some dagger Threes in that series (specially Posey), particularly in game 4, where they made their 24-point comeback and pretty much won the series there and then.


To me, this isn't even close. Lakers, with Artest guarding Pierce, will beat the Celtics in 5, but possibly in 6 games. People generally forget that it was Luke Walton covering Pierce in 2008, which is why Pierce had some monster games, and with no Ariza and Bynum, it's not hard to imagine how and why the Lakers lost in 2008.

Win for our troops Lakers! :-)

Happy memorial day to all!

Why are Celtic Trolls still allowed to post here?
I just don't get it- there are plenty of other sites that they can post their vomit on out there.

As for the Championship Round, I sure hope the refs aren't allowed to extend the series like they did in the WCF. It was the absolute most one-sided series I've ever watched(officiating), but the mighty Lakers were still able to overcome.

Fish has proved me wrong in these playoffs and I take my hat off to him.
Rondo is great, best PG in the East by far, but he can't show the rest of his mates the way to the fountain of youth.
Kobe has dominated since having his knee drained and I soooo love watching all the lame commentators on ESPN and TNT swallow there stupid comments about how LePraun is the best player on the planet.

Lakers in 6!

Happy Memorial Day and a special thanks out there to all who have protected our freedom now an currently!

Why are Celtic Trolls still allowed to post here?
I just don't get it- there are plenty of other sites that they can post their vomit on out there.

Happy Memorial Day and a special thanks out there to all who have protected our freedom now an currently!


Posted by: mclyne | May 31, 2010 at 04:05 PM

Glad to see you were able to answer your own question!

Where is the classy Ted Green?

Ludwig hasn't been watching very much at all. Sheed is better than Brown. TA and Baby are better than Posey, and Finley can step in if we need some offense. We are not that old. Derek Fisher is the oldest starter on either team. Pierce is only 10 MONTHS older than koME and koME has logged more mins than KG or Ray Allen

Can Tony Allen and Baby hit dagger threes? I don't think so, no way. And as for Sheed, we've had plenty of experience with him over the years, specially his disappearing act in game 7 of the Western Conference Finals in 2000. He's a near 7 footer who plays on the perimeter. Big deal. Sorry, pal, but you're reaching.

And by the way, Looney, I have been watching your Celtics, and they're way over-rated. They beat a one-man show in Miami. Would have gotten swept by the Cavs if LeBron was healthy. And they beat a crappy Orlando team that the Lakers destroyed in the Finals in 5 games last year with a much better Hido Turk, who's far more clutch than the floundering Vinsanity, who can't even hit clutch free throws.


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