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Poll Question: Will the Lakers win at least 60 games this season?

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Looking ahead to the remaining schedule, Lakers center Andrew Bynum shared two weeks ago that the team should aim to end the regular season with 60 victories. Back then, the Lakers were just beginning what would be a seven-game winning streak and the team had brainstormed ways to build momentum to ensure sharpness entering the postseason. Naturally, winning came to mind.

Lakers forward Ron Artest chalked an even more ambitious goal, trying to win out all the remaining games. Even if that didn't happen, the Lakers (54-19) are well within that 60-win plateau with nine games remaining. Of course, even the Lakers' recent six-game winning streak was met with justifiable shrugs among the team and media mainly because five of the opponents were sub.-500 teams and none of the wins featured sharp play.

It appeared the Lakers were on their way toward building momentum following a convincing victory Wednesday over San Antonio, only to quickly answer otherwise two days later with an embarrassing loss to Oklahoma City. The Lakers bounced back Saturday with a win against the Rockets, so from the pure perspective of winning games, the Lakers are on their way to pursuing the goal Bynum outlined. It's a loose goal that Lakers Coach Phil Jackson said the team should strive to reach.

"It's a goal. It's a huge accomplishment anytime you win 60 games in this league," Lakers guard Kobe Bryant told KCAL-9's John Ireland. "It's something that we should appreciate. We'll see what happens."

I've mentioned in several posts, specifically one here, that even with standings implications, the Lakers should worry more about playing their best every night than compiling as many wins as they can for two reasons. One, that approach naturally leads to victories anyway. And two, having home-court advantage doesn't completely camouflage a team's shoddy execution. Sooner or later, the Lakers may lose a home game in the playoffs. And I'm sure Lakers fans would hate to think the team's postseason chances are doomed the minute the Lakers lose a playoff game at Staples Center. 

But forget that for a quick second. Do you think the Lakers will compile 60 victories? Before you vote, here's a look at who the Lakers play the rest of the season. The Lakers' remaining nine games are against New Orleans, Atlanta, Utah, San Antonio, Denver, Minnesota, Portland, Sacramento and the Clippers, meaning four of the contests feature non-playoff opponents. And four of the five playoff-caliber matchups all backend one other, meaning there could be added difficulty in either building momentum from a win or bouncing back from a loss.

Vote in the poll and share your thoughts in the comments section below.  

-- Mark Medina

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SAY NO TO DFISH THE POSTER - BANDWAGON
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(01) LAKERMIKE - OWNER - In my opinion, this poster who goes by the name DFish has become dysfunctional when it comes to honest perspective. His comments are so biased and close-minded that it is difficult to reconcile much of what he says with reality. His tasteless attacks on fellow posters (Jon K material is wearisome) is inappropriate.
I am a nice guy. Some people even say a VERY nice guy! lol But, I want to suggest that DFish comments be left unanswered. His nonsense is a perfect example of what I have previously lamented as the reason some of us are on the fence regarding this blog. In the spirit of restraint and dignity, perhaps a BandWagon is called for which declares we will not interact with the redundancy of the class dunce(s).
(02)BRYLLE - DRIVER - Fisher, the steady rock and voice of the team, and we all know he doesn't choke during clutch time. Tell me, how is that not a major contribution DFISH?
(03) MAMBA24 - RIDING AHOTGUN - i think LakerMike about summed it up.

Last I checked, you don't get a trophy for winning 60 games. The only number that matters is 16 once the season ends.

Maybe the new collective bargaining agreement will shorten the regular season. I just think the regular season is way too long for such a strenuous sport, where the risk of injury is very high. A 70 game regular season seems more reasonable to me.

Oh yeah, we're definitely winning at least 60 games this season.

Once again, a very nice job by Mark Medina.

What do we play for? RINGS!!!!

Lakers Today... Lakers Tomorrow... Lakers Forever.

GO LAKERS!!!

LAY OFF of Jon K.

He's one of the best bloggers here and he is a far bigger Laker fan the rest of you two Faker fans (DFISH and Jonkay). He was here when the Lakers were just a 45/42 win team while you guys were probably playing video games and only came here when the Lakers became good aka Bandwagon fans.

Yes I do have disagreements with Jon K. NAMELY how he remains a Clippers fan and his too positive tone with Andrew Bynum? Do my disagreements with him make me wanna throw a tantrum like a 3 year old girl like you two do? No....in my opinion you two are just as bad as those Laker fans on Christmas who threw those foam hands.

Bandwagon - Oh you're talkin' about that poster that types "blah blah blah Fisher...blah blah blah Johnny Boy K...wah wah wah...etc, etc, etc"

Yeah, I can ride that one.


As to the poll, I have no doubt that they are going to win at least 6 more this season.

JR

Mamba24,

Who is DFish? Is he a poster?

Really don't care about 60 wins as much as I want to see our team at maximum HEALTH (and RESTED) for the Playoffs. With that said, we do want HC advantage, at least in the West, but if we are eliminated from overall HC, lets rest our guys!

A perfect season matters naught. Just ask the New England Patriots.
A 60 Win season matters naught, likewise.

PJ tossed that 60 Win goal out there for one reason. He thinks, if he didn't, the Lakers might not show up at all until the Playoffs begin. These guys are clearly burnt to a crisp, and resent having to pour any extra effort to win a game they'd rather not play at all.

We fans and our team have a long three weeks ahead of us. The slow drip of the next nine games is the NBA's form of rendition. But tattered feet, broken fingers, sore shoulders and aching backs, the Lakers will march forward into meaningful combat, as it should be.

At least we and our team have something to look forward to. Go Lakers!

Wow. Mark Heisler actually hit the nail on the head when it comes to the Lakers.

Interesting.

What do we play for? RINGS!!!

Lakers Today... Lakers Tomorrow... Lakers Forever.

GO LAKERS!!!

Jon K - Thanks for the love man

MM

Wow. I'm kind of flattered that people are sticking up for me regarding my stalker DFish.

Thanks, but, you know, I can stand up for myself.

Trust me, DFish will not be around for the long haul. He doesn't have the heart. He'll go away on his own.

We've always had trolls, stalkers, and lunatics here. I think there's something about passion (and optimism) that for some people is responded to much like how vampires respond to holy water (or wicked witches respond to water itself). It just drives them nuts and they think somehow by shaming people with passion, fervor, and optimism that somehow it will kill that life and they can go back to being dedicatedly miserable people without distraction.

Well, it's not going to to happen. Not here.

Lakeraholics are passionate people and passionate people often disagree, but they remain passionate... and a bond forms out of that.

We few! We lucky few!

We get to be fans of the best team in sports... which, quite frankly, is just awesome.

What do we play for? RINGS!!!

Lakers Today... Lakers Tomorrow... Lakers Forever.

GO LAKERS!!!

Rick Friendman,

"A 60 Win season matters naught"

As you well know, the numbers don't matter, what matters is effort and focus.

I think we both know that if the Lakers play to their potential with effort, focus, energy, and intelligence (coaching), they're unbeatable.

All I'm saying is that we don't have to wait until the playoffs to "turn it on" and we're not losing anything by playing like we can play earlier than when we're being shuffled to the edge of the precipice.

What do we play for? RINGS!!!

Lakers Today... Lakers Tomorrow... Lakers Forever.

GO LAKERS!!!

FO!!!

Back in the early 80's, Moses led the 76ers to the promised land as he prophesied, "FO...FO...FO." Philly swept two out of three series (at the expense of the Lakers in the finals).

Aches & Pains along with nick-nack injuries may jeapordize a game or two along the way. I am focused on the simple and single "FO" ~ as in winning four series for the championship. Don't care if they are sweeps or 7-game, nail-biters!

Lakers in "FO!!!"
Mike

Wow. I'm kind of flattered that people are sticking up for me regarding my stalker DFish.

Thanks, but, you know, I can stand up for myself.

Trust me, DFish will not be around for the long haul. He doesn't have the heart. He'll go away on his own.
Posted by Jonny boy K, biggest clown on this blog.

Oh, I've got the heart. I'm just not crazy enough to stick around in this sand box with you little babies !!!

Hey Celtics foos:

94-73 beat down! Even lower points scored than against Memphis! HAHA!

Rasheed supposed to spread the floor? More like Rasheed is BLEEDing the life out of the Celtics with his weak play!

Jesus Shuttlesworth.....He don't got game no more....Da Kid is more like the OLD MAN...only Paula Pierce left and he got no defense against Lebron.

Be sure to pick up your AARP cards today Celtics fans! The Men in Green's Era is OVER!

Cee YA Later Let's go C's!, RED'S LOVE CHILD, 131-92, and still have those balloons! Your AARP cards are ready for ya!

Mamba24 - put me on the "Get rid of that troll dfish" bandwagon please. The guy is a moron. Actually - that's kinda insulting to morons everywhere, isn't it?


Zaira - congrats!!


LakerMike - glad you had a good time - hope to see you on there again!

LakerTom - see???????? YOU TOO could be having the time of your life!!! LOL!!! Come on the chat at half time - you won't regret it!!!!


Jon K - I am really sorry to hear about that poor girl. You really need to get out of that cesspool.


MM - more good work - as usual. Do you think you'll ever get tired of hearing that? LOL!


So - watched the end of the Spurs/Ceptics game..... Spurs literally kicked the crap out of the weeners LOL!!! It was a joy to behold the final score - lowest 2nd half scoring by the weeners on their home court. Gotta love that!


Regarding OUR boys - it was great to see them come back strong after that abysmal game the other night that shall not be mentioned ever again. I don't care that they let their lead go. They just put it into coast mode and did what they needed to do to win after they showed the Rockets just exactly where they stood in the pecking order lol! Next up the baby Bees. I still say we go 4-1 on this trip. However, I really can't say it would tick me off very much if that didn't happen. I wouldn't be happy - but if the bench got a lotta burn and made some progress, then that would be a good outcome if you ask me. As Rick said, the regular season win & record really don't count for a lot. It's the 16 in the playoffs that matter. How we get there is just incidental to the ultimate goal.


I'm listening to SportsCenter right now, and they said something about princess jimmy saying something inappropriate or something like that?? Wow. No kidding. Who would have seen that coming? LOL - i'm staying tuned in to see what it was!

Have a great rest of your Sunday Laker fam....


GO LAKERS!!

Nothing but another title will suffice.

Are Spurs suddenly looking dangerous??

They beat Cavaliers and Celtics in consecutive games... and beat the Celtics on the ROAD, handling the C's their worst home loss.

Could not take the Spurs lightly, but I still feel they'd be our easiest 1st round opponent!!

BLOG CRUE
If we know our Lakers, they'll beat NO on Monday and struggle in the ATL on Wednesday with a possible loss. I'm not trying to be a Debbie Downer, but a young OKC reminds me of a young ATL.

"Encouragement." Who can name this line in a movie?

Colorado loves our World Champion Lakers!

If only Dit Da Jow could cure stupidity... The Pos(t)er Who Shall Remain Nameless would finally be cured. Am I right, Jon K.? No matter. We know who the real fans are here. And let me say this: Jon K. bleeds purple and gold. That's a fact.

Go Lake Show!

KB Blitz,

"Be sure to pick up your AARP cards today Celtics fans! The Men in Green's Era is OVER!"

We both know their Championship in 2008 was against all that is right and decent in the universe. They must experience their karma. It's coming.

However, I'd rather have them beat the Cavs in the playoffs and then have us sweep them in the Finals. That just feels right.

What do we play for? RINGS!!!!

Lakers Today... Lakers Tomorrow... Lakers Forever.

GO LAKERS!!!!

LAKERTOM,

1. Get a life.

2. Do you not have the fundamental courage to post under your own name or at least a unique name?

3. (Since #2 is OBVIOUSLY true), how do you wake up in the morning if you get joy out of trying to defame people who has character? Seriously. How do you do it? Do you honestly feel good about yourself? If so, how can you?

4. As Lakers fans, we have stood by Kobe Bryant through hard times. It hasn't always been easy, but the guy's competitive STRENGTH is unlike possibily anything that has ever occurred in basketball. He's a wonder. Why do you hate that? Why would you so easily give up on a person of that competitive strength? Why?

5. Again, I ask you, "How do you feel when you look in the mirror each morning?" Really.

What do we play for? RINGS!!!

Lakers Today... Lakers Tomorrow... Lakers Forever.

GO LAKERS!!!!

MM…That post at 8:40p was not mine. Would you please delete it. Thanks.
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TOM

KB Blitz,

I was thinking the same thing. Both the Spurs and the Celtics are card-carrying AARP members, but at least the Spurs have started to reload. Admission to the Celtics locker room requires a medicare card, too. And ever since Doc's bulletin board stunt, he's got a bullseye on his back, as far as I'm concerned. The Patriots, the Red Sox, and the Celtics are all evil. The Green Weenies are the worst.

Just read "Wild Times for the Lakers"

http://bit.ly/aI9OoF

It has Mark Heisler's byline but reads like it was written by TJ Simers back in the day when TJ cared what he wrote. What gives?

LakerMike,

you wrote: Why is it that DJ fails to get mintues (3 to 5 per half) in relief of Pau/Drew? What is about his game that keeps coaching staff from using him on a regular basis?

Thanks!

my response:

I believe that there are two reasons why DJ fails to get minutes.

1. He is the least talented of any of 0ur potential centers.

2. I'd guess Jim Buss.

My reasoning for #2 is as follows:

Jim Buss is emotionally invested in Bynum. Jim Buss' control of basketball
operations is tied to Bynum. If Bynum doesn't succeed the fans will be
disgruntled & Dr. Buss will give control to his daughter. If Bynum doesn't
succeed Kobe is vindicated for being enraged at not getting J-Kidd.

If the Lakers played great defense w/ Mbenga & went on a 7 game winning
streak everyone would look at Bynum and ask why can't you play defense
like this? Rather than rise to the challenge Bynum *might* shrink back and
play passive. That would be 2 championships w/o Bynum. If that happened
people would ask why we're keeping him & *THAT* would reflect poorly
on Jim Buss as aspiring basketball owner.

[ note: (LakerTom, pay attention.) Bynum is a better center than Mbenga. ]
[ note: (LakerTom, pay attention.) Bynum has stepped up his defense lately. ]

At least 60 wins? Heck ya, they will!

IMO, if the Lakers do not win 60 games, they will not advance to the championship round. 60 wins is not asking a lot if you're going to go all the way.

Eric Wright:

Do you know any basketball at all?? Trade Pau for David Lee?? Please explain what are the positives of Lee which measure over Pau's??

Lee is NOT a shot blocker. Pau does that well.
Pau has a very smooth mid-range jumper.
Pau can be the 1st scoring option if needed be.

I dont think David Lee could do either of those. There's some reason Lee got so less on his contract year, whereas Pau got an automatic extension. David Lee is getting less than half of what Pau is getting, so, how do you match salaries (if you know how trades happen)... Also, Lee is a FA after this season. NY is not going to re-sign him to trade. NY is going to let him loose and go for 2 max FAs. So, stop this blabber of crap trade, which wont work at all!!

Darrel Collision at PG?? Why only him, we could ask for CP3 as starter and D-Will to come off the bench?? So, whom are we going to give to Hornets to get Collison. I dont think Hornets would want Derek Fisher or Luke Walton or Josh Powell in exchange of an upcoming PG!!

Cut loose Kobe is it?? If you have so much love of Lebron, go and smooch his behind, and come to this blog if and when it happens!!

You call the team as Fakers and proclaim yourself a fan?? This "faker" team did indeed win the championship last year!!

They will win 60. Phil has mentioned it casually as a milestone. I take that to mean he has made it a goal for the team. It's pretty doable give their current record and games left. Also, Phil prefers to ramp up the team to play their best entering the playoffs. It's what he's best at and it's why his teams are so successful.

*SAY NO TO DFISH, Eric Wright, Jonkay THE POSTER - BANDWAGON*


Calling our team Fakers is obviously not a fan.

Hating on a particular player to death is clearly not a fan.

Disrespecting our fellow bloggers without any logical reason is also not a fan.

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Count me in Larry aka Mamba24... I wouldn't mind being the Flame Thrower.

LAKERS ALL DAY!!!

Re: poll question, i did answer- YES!

LAKERS ALL DAY!!!

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LAY OFF OF JON K – SAY NO TO LAKER HATERS – BANDWAGON
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Wow. I'm kind of flattered that people are sticking up for me regarding my stalker DFish. Thanks, but, you know, I can stand up for myself. Trust me, DFish will not be around for the long haul. He doesn't have the heart. He'll go away on his own. We've always had trolls, stalkers, and lunatics here. I think there's something about passion (and optimism) that for some people is responded to much like how vampires respond to holy water (or wicked witches respond to water itself). It just drives them nuts and they think somehow by shaming people with passion, fervor, and optimism that somehow it will kill that life and they can go back to being dedicatedly miserable people without distraction. Well, it's not going to to happen. Not here. Lakeraholics are passionate people and passionate people often disagree, but they remain passionate... and a bond forms out of that. We few! We lucky few! We get to be fans of the best team in sports... which, quite frankly, is just AWESOME!
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(01) LAKERMIKE - OWNER - In my opinion, this poster who goes by the name DFish has become dysfunctional when it comes to honest perspective. His comments are so biased and close-minded that it is difficult to reconcile much of what he says with reality. His tasteless attacks on fellow posters (Jon K material is wearisome) is inappropriate. I am a nice guy. Some people even say a VERY nice guy! lol But, I want to suggest that DFish comments be left unanswered. His nonsense is a perfect example of what I have previously lamented as the reason some of us are on the fence regarding this blog. In the spirit of restraint and dignity, perhaps a BandWagon is called for which declares we will not interact with the redundancy of the class dunce(s).
(02) KB-BLITZ – DRIVER - LAY OFF of Jon K. He's one of the best bloggers here and he is a far bigger Laker fan the rest of you two Faker fans (DFISH and Jonkay). He was here when the Lakers were just a 45/42 win team while you guys were probably playing video games and only came here when the Lakers became good aka Bandwagon fans. Yes I do have disagreements with Jon K. NAMELY how he remains a Clippers fan and his too positive tone with Andrew Bynum? Do my disagreements with him make me wanna throw a tantrum like a 3 year old girl like you two do? No....in my opinion you two are just as bad as those Laker fans on Christmas who threw those foam hands.
(03) EJK – RIDING SHOTGUN - While we can always scroll past the same old stuff that this guy spews, it can become tiresome to do so. He, and now his alter ego, Jonkay, have quite a strange obsession with Jon K. It's like they're trying to use Jon K to draw attention to themselves...talk about a desperate cry for attention. You can try to respond to him, but as I've learned, there's no point in trying to reason with the unreasonable. Don't waste your breath.
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(05)BRYLLE - DRIVER - Fisher, the steady rock and voice of the team, and we all know he doesn't choke during clutch time. Tell me, how is that not a major contribution DFISH?4)
(06) MAMBA24 -- I think LakerMike about summed it up. Jon K doesn’t need to defend himself against Trolls. Trolls may come and Trolls may go, but Jon K is a LAKER BLOGGER TODAY, LAKER BLOGGER TOMORROW, LAKER BLOGGER FOREVERRRRRRRRRR!
(07) JOLLY RANCHER - Bandwagon - Oh you're talkin' about that poster that types "blah blah blah Fisher...blah blah blah Johnny Boy K...wah wah wah...etc, etc, etc" Yeah, I can ride that one.
(08) JUSTANOTHERMAMBAFAN - Mamba24 - put me on the "Get rid of that troll dfish" bandwagon please. The guy is a moron. Actually - that's kinda insulting to morons everywhere, isn't it?
(09) THE OUTLAW – SECURITY - If only Dit Da Jow could cure stupidity... The Pos(t)er Who Shall Remain Nameless would finally be cured. Am I right, Jon K.? No matter. We know who the real fans are here. And let me say this: Jon K. bleeds purple and gold. That's a fact.
(10) JEANETTE - What is so wrong in sticking with your team? You haters mock us Lakers fans for still believing on this team.It is not fanaticsm, it is the love we have for the Lakers. Now you are calling us out just becuse they lost to Thunders? Sure there are flaws but I am not one to throw any player under the bus. Are you even Lakers fans? Do you only like the team when they are winning? When they are losing you leave them behind. Is this how you treat people around you as well? I have been a Lakers fan for decades and have seen similiar losses like this one. If I live through them I can live through this. At the end of the day, I remember the good memories, good wins and championships won. Not everyday is a bright sunshiny day and I am grateful that the Lakers have a lot of those bright sunshiny days.
(11) WESJOENIXON – The bad Bloggers always come out after a loss.
(12) MTI312 - LOL... You guys are hilarious. THE SKY IS FALLING! I love reading your posts after a loss. Classic!
(13) CORNER J – SEARGENT AT ARMS - Bring it on, trolls, because...Wherever there is injustice, you will find us. Wherever there is Plaschke Virus, we'll be there. And wherever there are whinypoopydiaperfrijolefiring trolls, you will find...THE LAKER AMIGOS!!! Let's ride!!!
(14) ART- FL-LAKERFAN - Let us all bow our heads and recite the Troll Prayer, it goes something like this: Dear God of Trolls, please make the Lakers trade Bynum, Gasol, Fish and Kobe. Send Ron back to Houston, dump Farmar and Shannon and Sasha in the pacific ocean, and for Trolls sake find a way to get rid of Luke. Morrison will be gone because of no more contract hallelujah, hallelujah. And also dear Troll God, send PJ back to Montana tout de suite. That leaves 'too often no-show' LO, 'can't hit the broad side of a barn door with a basketball' Powell and 'the one player no one ever criticizes' Mbenga to build a new team around. Hmm, umm, one more thing dear Troll God, as you know we are only in a righteous state of mind when the Lakers lose so please make Jerry Buss sell the Lakers to Donald Sterling so they will lose many, many games and we can then rise up into Troll heaven.
(15) MARK G - Art - FL Laker Fan, that was hilarious. You forgot about getting rid of Gary Vitti, the Laker Girls and the ball boys though. Seriously though, isn't seppuku really the only honorable option for us as Laker fans? I hate it when the blog comes down with acute Plaschkeitis.
(16) 2 PHATT - OK blog community time for the bandwagon fans to jump off, this is you're opportunity JUMP I hope you didn't brake you're ankles while landing. True Laker fans will continue to support this team regardless. There are many holes with very little passion and heart on display last night, but this team follows it's leader who did not lead. They'll show tonight, you can take that to the BANK.
(17) MAGIC PHIL - Hey, trully Lakers fan, don't read hatred posts. These people have only 1 thing in mind: hate! We don't hate, waste of time.
(18) ZAIRA AMATERASU - waited half day to log in and read it all. Well, I woke up at 1.15 PM so it's not it took much. I was expecting even more "Fakers" "*PutNameIn*Haters" and "Dramz" mayhem but I see it was pretty much under control.
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Ruud van Nistelrooy,

When you argue with a madman, you give credence to the madman.

Sometimes it's better to just walk away.

What do we play for? RINGS!!!

Lakers Today... Lakers Tomorrow... Lakers Forever.

GO LAKERS!!!!

YIN YANG
Win some, Lose some that’s how it goes, but I’m not panicking till the Fat Lady shows
Some flaws were exposed, it’s one of those things, Expose it & fix it and win the Ring
Lakers just won a title one year past, Still First in the West, yet you act like we’re Last
Fans of a team who had the record Lakers do, would be ecstatic you know it’s true
If you’re a Laker fan criticism is fine, But please not after each loss, whine,whine whine
I understand wanting what’s best for the team, But things aren’t as simple as they seem
There’s things call fatigue & injuries too, lets see you do better with your body killing you
The mind may be willing but the flesh can’t go, And so some games you just will blow
Some say why don’t this guy hurry and heal, Do you think health can be done by will
If that be the case no hospitals are needed, No Health Bill for which some have pleaded
Why you don’t even need Dit darJow, just use your will & be healed anyhow
Of course I’m being facetious as you know, But a little compassion now & then show
In the long run, they’ll win their share too, Freaking LA Lakers till the end I’m with you.

justanothermambafan,

" I am really sorry to hear about that poor girl. You really need to get out of that cesspool."

I know. It is notion that plagues my consciousness on a moment by moment basis.

One thing I've learned from the experience is how tremendously negative an impact Rap music has upon vulnerable populations. I'm still in shock that the critics and media haven't woken up and screamed, "The Emperor wears no clothes!"

The whole veneration of thug life it just manifests itself among youth culture in that it leads people to embrace thug life instead of attempting to extricate themself from that culture. It's sad and the media is complicit in it because they continue to support a music that ultimately communicates a propaganda that thug life, stupidity and criminality is "cool." It's not cool. It just leads to a life of suffering. It's so sad to watch. You have no idea. I honestly know that that girl who was murdered, Donna, she wouldn't have been dating this thug who ultimately killed her, if she hadn't been immersed in this culture and music. Otherwise, there's no reason to date some ugly idiot loser with no class, no money, no character and no resources.

There's this song by Beyonce called "Soldier" that we play at the club where she sings about how she's only going to date a guy with street cred. Well, I met Beyonce years ago when she was in Destiny's Child and she was marketing herself basically like a previous generation's Hannah Montana and we had groups of little girls meeting her on set. Now she's singing about how she'll only date a "Soldier" {meaning: Street Thug} with "street credibility."

Well, let me give you a little insight into "street credibility."

One way you get more street credibility is to have as many baby mamas as possible and kids you don't care for. That's one way to get street cred.

So, this woman is selling the "sexiness" of street culture to another generation of young people and IT IS ALL FOR MONEY. And the real world consequence of that is that people embrace thug life and young women who might otherwise never engage in that lifestyle choose to embrace that lifestyle and some of them end up strangled to death in a hotel in Akron, Ohio.

I know this because I have witnessed this with my own eyes over the last year of my life.

The present state of how the media supports music that ultimately effects vulnerable psychological populations in a way that commits them to a life of failure is nothing short of evil.

I wish someone of some courage would speak up and hold them responsible. It's just plain wrong and idiots like the music critics at the L.A. Times are complicit in the suffering it produces.

What do we play for? RINGS!!!!

Lakers Today... Lakers Tomorrow... Lakers Forever.

GO LAKERS!!!

"We both know their Championship in 2008 was against all that is right and decent in the universe. They must experience their karma. It's coming.

However, I'd rather have them beat the Cavs in the playoffs and then have us sweep them in the Finals. That just feels right."

@Jon K.

Jon,

I'm just glad to hear that there is at least one additional Lakers fan who believes like I do that the ideal matchup in the Finals is still Beantown against LA. It is the only matchup that can re-stabilize the Force.

If Boston makes the Finals and is brushed aside by the Lakers, that means that LeBronze would have once again succeeded in capturing the best overall regular season record and then failed on the big stage (pro'lly while carrying his bogus MVP trophy). That the idea that he is better than Kobe would loose even more steam. LeBronze's legacy as a great player, but not a great winner would solidify even more. Boston would have to suffer watching the Lakers franchise further close the gap for overall titles won. Buss's legacy as the greatest sports owner ever would be further enhanced.

Also, people would have to finally realize the overall Leastness of the East and stop saying the Cavs or LeBronze are any better than the Lakers and Kobe because of regular season won/loss records. The fact that maybe the fools gold of this NBA is that gaudy record the Cavs keep compiling (and the gaudy stats of LeBronze) against inferior talent.

Maybe 60 wins in the West is actually worth 70 wins in the East. I tend to think so. And, if that is the case, Kobe's stats are much more impressive than LeBronze's.

Yes. Boston v. LA is the only matchup that really matters.

--FEARless

Easy E,

Man, I know you are going to be voting in the next election so that you can cast your "yes" vote for completely legalizing the good stuff, huh? I notice that you are partaking in this particular herb as you write presently, aren't you?

That stuff must be good. It has to be if you think:

1) David Lee even has the talent or heart to hold Pau's jock strap. Pau is being vilified by his own fans, and what does he do? He drops 30 on a team fighting for its playoff life. In other words, he pounds on a highly motivated team that is actually trying to win desperately and has not "mailed it in". That's heart.

2) Buss would even consider spending all that $$$ on LeCrab when His Majesty has not shown any signs of being able to win on the big stage. At all. You must truly understand that every single max contract player Buss has ever paid had previously shown championship quality mettle prior to getting the BIG paycheck. LeBronze has shown NONE.

3) Darren Collison is just sitting in a scrap heap somewhere just waiting to be "picked up".

Put the joint down, man. At the present, the stuff is still illegal!

--FEARless

KB Blitz,

"his too positive tone with Andrew Bynum?"

Let me ask you an honest question, if Laker Tom wasn't so gung-ho on Andrew Bynum, do you think it would be easier for you to be more supportive of Andrew Bynum?

Because sometimes it seems like your caution regarding Andrew is a bit reactionary in response to Laker Tom's rabid support.

What do you think?

What do we play for? RINGS!!!

Lakers Today... Lakers Tomorrow... Lakers Forever.

GO LAKERS!!!!

Put the joint down, man. At the present, the stuff is still illegal!--FEARless Posted by: FEARless | March 29, 2010 at 08:03 AM

ROFL!!

@JON K, PREACH BROTHER, PREACH!!!
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LAY OFF OF JON K – SAY NO TO THE LAKER HATERS – BANDWAGON
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Wow. I'm kind of flattered that people are sticking up for me regarding my stalker DFish. Thanks, but, you know, I can stand up for myself. Trust me, DFish will not be around for the long haul. He doesn't have the heart. He'll go away on his own. We've always had trolls, stalkers, and lunatics here. I think there's something about passion (and optimism) that for some people is responded to much like how vampires respond to holy water (or wicked witches respond to water itself). It just drives them nuts and they think somehow by shaming people with passion, fervor, and optimism that somehow it will kill that life and they can go back to being dedicatedly miserable people without distraction. Well, it's not going to to happen. Not here. Lakeraholics are passionate people and passionate people often disagree, but they remain passionate... and a bond forms out of that. We few! We lucky few! We get to be fans of the best team in sports... which, quite frankly, is just AWESOME!@ JON K
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(01) LAKERMIKE - OWNER - In my opinion, this poster who goes by the name DFish has become dysfunctional when it comes to honest perspective. His comments are so biased and close-minded that it is difficult to reconcile much of what he says with reality. His tasteless attacks on fellow posters (Jon K material is wearisome) is inappropriate. I am a nice guy. Some people even say a VERY nice guy! lol But, I want to suggest that DFish comments be left unanswered. His nonsense is a perfect example of what I have previously lamented as the reason some of us are on the fence regarding this blog. In the spirit of restraint and dignity, perhaps a BandWagon is called for which declares we will not interact with the redundancy of the class dunce(s).
(02) KB-BLITZ – DRIVER - LAY OFF of Jon K. He's one of the best bloggers here and he is a far bigger Laker fan the rest of you two Faker fans (DFISH and Jonkay). He was here when the Lakers were just a 45/42 win team while you guys were probably playing video games and only came here when the Lakers became good aka Bandwagon fans. Yes I do have disagreements with Jon K. NAMELY how he remains a Clippers fan and his too positive tone with Andrew Bynum? Do my disagreements with him make me wanna throw a tantrum like a 3 year old girl like you two do? No....in my opinion you two are just as bad as those Laker fans on Christmas who threw those foam hands.
(03) EJK – RIDING SHOTGUN - While we can always scroll past the same old stuff that this guy spews, it can become tiresome to do so. He, and now his alter ego, Jonkay, have quite a strange obsession with Jon K. It's like they're trying to use Jon K to draw attention to themselves...talk about a desperate cry for attention. You can try to respond to him, but as I've learned, there's no point in trying to reason with the unreasonable. Don't waste your breath.
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(05)BRYLLE - DRIVER - Fisher, the steady rock and voice of the team, and we all know he doesn't choke during clutch time. Tell me, how is that not a major contribution DFISH?4)
(06) MAMBA24 -- I think LakerMike about summed it up. Jon K doesn’t need to defend himself against Trolls. Trolls may come and Trolls may go, but Jon K is a LAKER BLOGGER TODAY, LAKER BLOGGER TOMORROW, LAKER BLOGGER FOREVER!
(07) JOLLY RANCHER - Bandwagon - Oh you're talkin' about that poster that types "blah blah blah Fisher...blah blah blah Johnny Boy K...wah wah wah...etc, etc, etc" Yeah, I can ride that one.
(08) JUSTANOTHERMAMBAFAN - Mamba24 - put me on the "Get rid of that troll dfish" bandwagon please. The guy is a moron. Actually - that's kinda insulting to morons everywhere, isn't it?
(09) THE OUTLAW – SECURITY - If only Dit Da Jow could cure stupidity... The Pos(t)er Who Shall Remain Nameless would finally be cured. Am I right, Jon K.? No matter. We know who the real fans are here. And let me say this: Jon K. bleeds purple and gold. That's a fact.
(10) JEANETTE - What is so wrong in sticking with your team? You haters mock us Lakers fans for still believing on this team.It is not fanaticsm, it is the love we have for the Lakers. Now you are calling us out just becuse they lost to Thunders? Sure there are flaws but I am not one to throw any player under the bus. Are you even Lakers fans? Do you only like the team when they are winning? When they are losing you leave them behind. Is this how you treat people around you as well? I have been a Lakers fan for decades and have seen similiar losses like this one. If I live through them I can live through this. At the end of the day, I remember the good memories, good wins and championships won. Not everyday is a bright sunshiny day and I am grateful that the Lakers have a lot of those bright sunshiny days.
(11) WESJOENIXON – The bad Bloggers always come out after a loss.
(12) MTI312 - LOL... You guys are hilarious. THE SKY IS FALLING! I love reading your posts after a loss. Classic!
(13) CORNER J – SEARGENT AT ARMS - Bring it on, trolls, because...Wherever there is injustice, you will find us. Wherever there is Plaschke Virus, we'll be there. And wherever there are whinypoopydiaperfrijolefiring trolls, you will find...THE LAKER AMIGOS!!! Let's ride!!!
(14) ART- FL-LAKERFAN - Let us all bow our heads and recite the Troll Prayer, it goes something like this: Dear God of Trolls, please make the Lakers trade Bynum, Gasol, Fish and Kobe. Send Ron back to Houston, dump Farmar and Shannon and Sasha in the pacific ocean, and for Trolls sake find a way to get rid of Luke. Morrison will be gone because of no more contract hallelujah, hallelujah. And also dear Troll God, send PJ back to Montana tout de suite. That leaves 'too often no-show' LO, 'can't hit the broad side of a barn door with a basketball' Powell and 'the one player no one ever criticizes' Mbenga to build a new team around. Hmm, umm, one more thing dear Troll God, as you know we are only in a righteous state of mind when the Lakers lose so please make Jerry Buss sell the Lakers to Donald Sterling so they will lose many, many games and & can then rise up into Troll heaven.
(15) MARK G - Art - FL Laker Fan, that was hilarious. You forgot about getting rid of Gary Vitti, the Laker Girls and the ball boys though. Seriously though, isn't seppuku really the only honorable option for us as Laker fans? I hate it when the blog comes down with acute Plaschkeitis.
(16) 2 PHATT - OK blog community time for the bandwagon fans to jump off, this is you're opportunity JUMP I hope you didn't brake you're ankles while landing. True Laker fans will continue to support this team regardless. There are many holes with very little passion and heart on display last night, but this team follows it's leader who did not lead. They'll show tonight, you can take that to the BANK.
(17) MAGIC PHIL - Hey, trully Lakers fan, don't read hatred posts. These people have only 1 thing in mind: hate! We don't hate, waste of time.
(18) ZAIRA AMATERASU - waited half day to log in and read it all. Well, I woke up at 1.15 PM so it's not that it took much. I was expecting even more "Fakers" "*PutNameIn*Haters" & "Dramz" mayhem but I see it was pretty much under control.
(19) RUUD VAN NISTELROOY - You call the team as Fakers and proclaim yourself a fan?? This "faker" team did indeed win the championship last year!!
(20) VT-LAKER - A cliche is a leech who can only respond in a negative fashion to another person's passion. Get your own life, live it, share it if you like, but try to contribute something that comes from your own experience.
(21) MEL D. - Look if you are not a laker fan, just keep your negative comment about the team.....Lakers will be the champs again, whether you like it or not , they will have maybe 4 more rings after this....
(22) VMAN - Jon K , Compelling reports. The universe has obviously put you here to make sense of the insanity.
(23) JOVBATZ44 – FLAMETHROWER - Calling our team Fakers is obviously not a fan. Hating on a particular player to death is clearly not a fan. Disrespecting our fellow bloggers without any logical reason is also not a fan Count me in ... I wouldn't mind being the Flame Thrower.

FEARLess,

"Boston v. LA is the only matchup that really matters."

Agreed. I mean do we REALLY want to see an Lakers/Magic Finals again? No.

I know that David Stern and every LeBroniac sloshing through the muck out her wants a Lakers/Cavs Finals, but I don't even want to give the marketing juggurnaut behind LeZero that much credibility. I'm hoping the Magic take them out in the second round.

I would MUCH rather see a 4-0 Lakers victory over the Celtics featuring several posterizations of Kevin Garnett by Andrew Bynum. That's just too much joy.

What do we play for? RINGS!!!

Lakers Today... Lakers Tomorrow... Lakers Forever.

GO LAKERS!!!

Now that George Karl isn't on the bench, I expect the Thuggetts to implode. He was the guy keeping those crazy personalities in check.

What do we play for? RINGS!!!!

Lakers Today... Lakers Tomorrow... Lakers Forever.

GO LAKERS!!!

There's a LAYOFF JON K BAND WAGON? I'm in!

60 wins would represent a very successful regular season, In light of the injuries to Pau, Kobe and Drew which have cost them games, and the nagging injuries to Lamar and IRon that have limited their effectiveness, 60 would be quite an accomplishment. Last year, the Lakers ran roughshod through the league. They were highly motivated and very fortunate in the injury department. Despite losing Drew for a large chunk of the season, The Show was clicking on all cylinders when playoff time rolled around.

My biggest disappointment this year is the lack of improvement from our bench players. Their lack of consistency and contribution has placed the additional burden of heavy minutes on the starters. Internal improvement was key for this team and so far the bench members haven't come through. Sorry, don't mean to bash our team, but guys like Sasha and Jordan should be making a bigger impact at this point in their careers.

GO LAKERS!!
WE CAN OVERCOME ALL WITH A SWEET 16 IN THE PLAYOFFS!!!

KB Blitz,

Did you watch the Celtics game. There was a spectacular blockbuster acting performance by Paula Pierce (again). He ran into Ginobili (block called on Ginobili) threw up a wild shot and then fell to the floor and writhed in agony for 5 minutes or so. And then got up, shot the free throws and played out the rest of the game.

Well, at least after his basketball days are over, Pierce has a career in film. He can play the victim in all the horror films that come out - he's got that agonized look down to a t.

There's a LAYOFF JON K BAND WAGON? I'm in! Posted by: Rick Friedman | March 29, 2010 at 08:27 AM

NOW THAT'S WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT!!
mamba24(larry)

Eric Wright (or should I call you Easy-E),

>>>Who Cares? They aren't repeating anyways. I already told you guys this.
>>>THe key to reclaiming the glory in La next year is to
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>>>1- trade Pau for David Lee
>>>2-do not re-sign Kobe. He's declining really fast. Cut him loose and sign
>>>Lebron James.
>>>3- Pick up Darren Collison for the PG.

Wow. You really went out of your way to be wrong on as many levels as possible, didn't you. Let me clarify some things for you.

1. The Lakers WILL repeat (and you will cry because you're clearly not a Lakers fan)

2. Pau is better than David Lee (or is it that you're a Knicks fan?)

3. (this is so wrong that it's a three-part response)
a. Even if they let Kobe go, the Lakers wouldn't have enough cap space to sign LeBron
b. Even if the Lakers HAD enough cap space to sign LeBron, he's staying in Cleveland
c. Kobe will win 3 championships in the next 5 years... LeBron will win 0
d. If the Lakers let Kobe walk, the Knicks would have the money to pay him (and then they would have Kobe and Pau, in your grand scheme!)

4. Darren Collison is under contract with New Orleans for the next four years, and with how well he's played, they won't give him up cheap. Who do you suggest the Lakers trade for him? Artest? Bynum?

Look, try not to be too sad when the Lakers are having their victory parade. Your team (whether it's the Knicks or someone else) will maybe have a chance in 4 or 5 years, when Kobe finally does slow down as much as you're wishing he had slowed down now.

Have a good day.

I need to be on this Layoff Jon K bandwagon post haste. Even in the depths of our gloom, when it really does seem like the sky is falling, Jon K's fanaticism is what helps keep me sane. It is then that I know that the latest inexplicable loss served a much higher purpose. Champions are forged in fire. The fire can get pretty hot at times. Jon K (and every other Laker homer like me) allows me to remember that fact.

--FEARless

Jon K and FEARless,

>>>I'm just glad to hear that there is at least one additional Lakers fan who
>>>believes like I do that the ideal matchup in the Finals is still Beantown
>>>against LA. It is the only matchup that can re-stabilize the Force.

I'm on that bandwagon too. Nothing would give me more pleasure than to give the Celtics a big smackdown in the finals. It would be extra double-plus good on at least 3 levels:

I. The Lakers would be winning. That's always a good thing

II. The Celtics would be losing. Also, always a good thing. In fact, my second favorite team in the NBA is whoever is playing the Celtics.

III. LeBron would fail to make it to the finals for a second year in a row. I think he eventually will make it to the finals, and probably win one, but he's got WAAAYY to huge an ego. He needs a bit more humility in his youth before he will deserve to go all the way.

Jon K,

>>>I would MUCH rather see a 4-0 Lakers victory over the Celtics featuring
>>>several posterizations of Kevin Garnett by Andrew Bynum.

You're thinking too small.

Not just posterizations by Bynum, but also Kobe, Pau, MBenga, and Luke Walton.

I want it so bad that in the last game of the series (aka the 4th game), KG is so humbled that he actually shuts his big yap for most of the game.

@LONG TIME LAKER FAN, ...OUT FREAKIN STANDING BROTHER!!
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I'll say it again...OUT FREAKING STANDING BRO!!
mamab24(larry)


Jon KWaGON?

If ever there was a blog brother that does not need bandwagon protection it would be brother Jon Kav.

TRolls season the blog, crawling out after losses to feed on the negative. Some hang 'round, sparked by attention they can't get in real life. It's part of the drama round here, but "round here" is ruled by the positive. All trolls shrivel and eventually disappear.

Jon navigates gangsta bars of Lebronze land, he can roll with trolls.

Jon K.,

There is one thing I would love to see if LeBronze makes it to the finals; that the Lakers completely disassemble the Cavs. Have you seen Cavs playoff basketball? I know, there aren't a whole lot of games of LB Crab Dribble in the playoffs to draw from. But, Mr. I-make-my-team-mates-better-more-than-Kobe-does is easily taken out of the Cavs offensive sets and the rest of his team just can't carry the load.

This strategy works well in the regular season because LeChokes team mates can carry the load when the play roughly half of their games against inferior talent.

But, in the playoffs, the story changes. The teams they compete against aren't going to be scrubs anymore. Taking LeCrab out takes out the Cavs. LeUnsportmanslike can't control the game without the ball in his hands.

Take the ball out of Kobe's hands, and we see what the Rockets saw; Kobe is still somehow able to manufacture a win by USING his team mates.

Kobe can win THROUGH his team mates. He can win WITH his team mates. He can win DEFERRING to his team mates. He can win IN SPITE OF his team mates. He can win INSTEAD of his team mates. He can even win BY HIMSELF (just ask Dallas and Toronto).

LeBroke can only win with his team mates. Which is by itself commendable. Stern seems to like it. However, to win in the playoffs, you have to be able to at times do a little of ALL of the above.

That's Kobe. That makes him ultimately unstoppable, and make His Majesty eternally predictable.

A Finals beat-down at the hands of the Lakers would finally take the new clothes off the Emperor.

--FEARless

ODDS & ENDS...

--LA v. Boston Finals needs a few breaks along the way. For starters, no way Boston beats Atlanta. Big problem with that potential 1st round match-up that appears to be a lock. But oh how I would love another LA/BOS Finals!

--JON K... Don't let Mike Brown read this; but after watching CAVS without SHAQ for a few weeks now, are you of the opinion that they are BETTER without him? Team quickness is better, spacing for Lebron is better, activity to the ball is better, defensive rotations better. And, I believe their record is better. Ironic that Shaq's return might be the key to Cav's failure to make it to the finals?

--DJ MBENGA indeed has limitations on offense, but it seems to me that his shot-blocking presence and defensive intensity that lead to opponents turnovers and missed shots more than compensates on the +/- scale. He may not hit the jumper like Pau or jump hook like Drew, but he swats shots and swallows rebounds better than either of them. I think that he presents more of a solution to bench woes than most people realize. His intensity and team first attitude is CONTAGIOUS to others on the floor with him.

--The same front office that stacked this team over the past few years is still at the helm. A little patience and deserved support is in order on our part. No matter the outcome of this season, changes are coming. I believe there is a 100% chance that at least one move/signing will be announced that will surprise us all.

--Tonight, during the game @ NO, I would like to suggest something. During the first quarter, take a 3 minute section of the game and watch the movement on offense of the Laker players without the ball. TRY to not watch the ball. Then do the same thing in the fourth quarter, another 3 minute section. I would love to read your observations about the differences you see when the ball is KOBE'S hands, as opposed to anyone else.

Mike

Hmmm...

I was just thinking...Didn't MJ keep Barkeley, Stockton, AND Malone from getting rings?

I'm thinking Kobe can be LeBig-Mouth-Except-After-Loosing's MJ, delaying the day LeSternBoy finally wins one.

Just sayin...

--FEARless

LongTimeLakerFan,

"I want it so bad that in the last game of the series (aka the 4th game), KG is so humbled that he actually shuts his big yap for most of the game."

Dude, wouldn't that be AWESOME?!?

Imagine Garnett mute quiet with a thousand yard stare after Odom dunks on him screaming, "GET OUT OF MY WAY, SATURN!" as the Lakers cruise to a 30 point victory and sweep the series.

Visualize truth!

What do we play for? RINGS!!!

Lakers Today... Lakers Tomorrow... Lakers Forever.

GO LAKERS!!!

Kobe can win THROUGH his team mates. He can win WITH his team mates. He can win DEFERRING to his team mates. He can win IN SPITE OF his team mates. He can win INSTEAD of his team mates. He can even win BY HIMSELF (just ask Dallas and Toronto).Posted by: FEARless | March 29, 2010 at 09:13 AM
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TELL IT BROTHER, TELL IT!!!

Well, at least after his basketball days are over, Pierce has a career in film. He can play the victim in all the horror films that come out - he's got that agonized look down to a t.

Posted by: LongTimeLakerFan | March 29, 2010 at 08:48 AM

LTLF...LOL!!

Although that agonized look can also be interpreted as just plain ugly. PeePee is facially challenged like the rest of the Septics. That is one butt-ugly crew!

FEARless,

"Have you seen Cavs playoff basketball?"

This is something I've been thinking a lot about.

The Cavs play so loose and are CONSTANTLY joking around and mugging for the cameras on the sidelines. I'm sure they're having fun and all, but that playfulness and immaturity, I don't know if that works in the environment of playoff intensity. We discuss concerns as to whether the Lakers will be able to "turn in on" in the playoffs, well the same discussion could be said about whether the Cavs can "turn off" the childishness in the playoffs. I don't know if they can. It's fricken possible that a focused Bucks might even kick out of the playoffs in the second round.

I'm just not certain that they're a playoff team.

I watched them get kicked out of the playoffs by the Celtics and the Magic the last two years and when IT REALLY CAME DOWN TO IT, they folded. It's like the opposite-Lakers who WHEN IT REALLY COMES DOWN TO IT, they shine.

Not the Cavs. I'm not convinced.

What do we play for? RINGS!!!

Lakers Today... Lakers Tomorrow... Lakers Forever.

GO LAKERS!!!

Imagine Garnett mute quiet with a thousand yard stare after Odom dunks on him screaming, "GET OUT OF MY WAY, SATURN!" as the Lakers cruise to a 30 point victory and sweep the series.Posted by: Jon K. | March 29, 2010 at 09:26 AM

To quote a Bald headed freakin Lunatic giant, "ANYTHING POSSIBLE" MAKE IT SO LAKERS, MAKE IT SO!!!

LakerMike,

"are you of the opinion that they are BETTER without him?"

The Cavs have not been playing great recently and they had to struggle to beat the Kings (in Cleveland) just the other night. That much said, I did notice that the Cavs seemed to play their best basketball of the season immediately AFTER Shaq got hurt.

It's going to be interesting to see how the chemistry works when Shaq gets back. I'm not sure how Z, Shaq, and Jamison are all going to gel right as the playoffs starts.

What do we play for? RINGS!!!

Lakers Today... Lakers Tomorrow... Lakers Forever.

GO LAKERS!!!

LakerMike,

Everyone here already knows the point that you are trying to make, that the Lakers offense in the 4th quarter is more like Kobe-ball than any other part of the game. What you have glossed over is the fact that the Lakers are outscoring their opponents in the 4th quarter. If you outscore your opponent, isn't that the point?

What you should be asking is why does Kobe-ball continue to be so effective even when everyone in the gym, on TV, and at home -- the entire audience knows exactly what is going to happen next? Might it be that Kobe is just that good?

BTW, regular season 4th quarter ball is more related to post-season ball than any minute of basketball played in quarters 1-3. For any CONTENDING team, that is. You will see similar changes in every team that plays who is mentioned as a possible Finals contender. This phenomenon is NOT unique to the Lakers. Watch a little basketball and you will see that I am exactly correct.

In other words, you've made your point, but you point actually supports your opponent. Not an effective way to debate, my friend.

What you are noticing now as the season comes to a close is that the Lakers are tweaking with and finding that balance that maximizes the benefits of both types of ball.

Sit back and watch PJ, Kobe, and Fish orchestrate this symphony that we call Lakers basketball on to yet another parade down Figueroa Blvd.

--FEARless

Although that agonized look can also be interpreted as just plain ugly. PeePee is facially challenged like the rest of the Septics. That is one butt-ugly crew! Posted by: bronxlakerfan | March 29, 2010 at 09:30 AM
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Yeah but that Paula Pierce can wheel one mean chair. Lol!


Is it game time yet?

What do we play for? RINGS!!!

Lakers Today... Lakers Tomorrow... Lakers Forever.

GO LAKERS!!!!

Please ad me to the lay off Jon K bandwagon as he is a great Laker fan.

Also I suggest a lay off LakerTom because of his support for Drew. I too am high on Drew and no one desearves to be rained on because of his/her support for a Laker star.

Not just posterizations by Bynum, but also Kobe, Pau, MBenga, and Luke Walton. Posted by: LongTimeLakerFan | March 29, 2010 at 09:06 AM
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NO MAS! NO MAS! OH THE HUMANITY!! ROFL!

@FEARLESS, Oh by the way brother, I neglected to say...OUT FREAKIN STANDING!!! Keep doing what you doing1
mamba24(larry)

ROLL CALL IN 10 MINUTES

Kobe's looking pretty shot right now physically. The second half of the SA game was the only time in months I've seen him move well, with energy, getting good separation consistently on offense and going after it defensively. Don't know if he's pacing himself (I hope) or what but I don't think I've seen him struggle this much before. Too many awful games offensively this season and piling up the turnovers right now. If the team as a whole can't start executing better and find the effort defensively to make up for it, Kobe won't save them scoring 40 a night like he did before. As of now, I think they scratch the 60 wins plateau, barely.

hello lakers blogers, am long time reader of this blog, thanks guys, first time to blog. I cannot find the lakers on TV tonite, does any know what channel I can find lakers on? Tom C in the desert

@ Mamba24 - Can you put me on the "LAY OFF OF JON K – SAY NO TO LAKER HATERS – BANDWAGON" as 'Of course I support Jon K, but his barstool gives him all the luck he'll ever need.'


To the general "Where are the minutes for DJ" dialogue going on around here, I would have to add that for all his enthusiasm, DJ is also foul prone because it's all or nothing. Along the sam,e vein as Farmar, DJ still hasn't quite grasped the idea of changing gears. It's life in the fast lane for Mr. Mbenga. Both could use to switch up their tempo a bit, but Jordan doesn't amass the fouls/minute DJ does (although this year he's been better).


DJ also seems to think he's on the floor for instant offense. He'll shoot it if you give him daylight which is another reason I think Phil only gives him limited burn.


He does truly hustle on D, though. Which is a welcome sight any day of the week.


Game Comments:
-Held my breath when Ron started a'hopping around. Was very glad to see him come back in. I'm curious to see if he has limited mobility tonight.
-Neither Artest or Ariza can seem to outplay the other when they face off. It's sure to keep the 'which player should the Lakers REALLY have signed' debate going. My vote is still Artest. He's making a mark defensively and Trevor has had a hard time throwing it into the ocean this season.
-We gave up the lead when the team went into 'Get Kobe his tri-dub' mode, not too worried about the 4th quater semi-collapse, the tri-dub won't be pursued in the playoffs so it won't be an issue in the 4th.


Does anyone else feel that, quiet as a ninja, Ron Artest has put together a strong case for DPOY? This isn't pure fan gush, either, here's some observations: he has single handedly changed the defensive culture of our team, has shut down entire teams with his on-the-ball defense, never shirks from guarding the best player on the court, does it all without accumulating a ton of fouls (something often over-looked when Dwight Howard is the perennial front-runner) and he does it without complaining about his touches or his role. He's come to a winning team and accepted his role regardless of the wins and losses. He's been a lightning rod for criticism when we lose and rarely gets credit when we win. He's had to change his game more than any other player on the team and he's excelled while doing it (on defense).

For the Dwight Howard enthusiasts who will point out that Dwight has better numbers (league leading rebounder and shot blocker), I say look at the number of fouls Dwight racks up. Also, that he is the focal point and anchor for the Magic's defense and that all of Dwight's D happens near the rim. He doesn't shut down guys single handedly, he's an amazing help defender. On the ball defense is much harder to excel at and Ron is pretty frickin' good.


Opinions?

RE: Kobe and the declining fast notion! Bullcrap!

He's got major injuries that most players would pack it in and be done for the season. This dude is genius in that when he has a off game, he can still IMPACT the game in a way that many players could only dream.

After the season, when Kobe is polishing off yet another CHIP for the THUMB, here's hoping after all the hoopla and so forth, he gets some rest and gets healed up -- cuz as soon as you start doubting the MAMBA, he reminds you clowns that he is STILL very much DA MAN!!

"Posted by: FEARless
Everyone here already knows the point that you are trying to make, that the Lakers offense in the 4th quarter is more like Kobe-ball than any other part of the game."

MY RESPONSE:
No, that is NOT my point. Novice observers notice the "What is going on". I am not a novice. I am probing observers to notice "WHY it is going on." (By the way, if you are looking for a bias on my part regarding Kobe, I am a BIG fan of his.)


"Posted by: FEARless
Watch a little basketball and you will see that I am exactly correct."

MY RESPONSE:
Wow. I am in my 50's. Played through college (NAIA). Still play three times a week presently. I have coached teams through the years at JH, HS, and college level. I have been (and am) an official for HS and JuCo. I can count on one hand how many Laker games I do NOT watch on TV each season since the days of Elgin, Jerry, & Wilt. (So thankful for DVR these days! VCR days had such limitations!)

So, with all due respect and what might appear to be a lack of humility (hopefully not), I, sir watch more than just "a little basketball."


"Posted by: FEARless
In other words, you've made your point, but you point actually supports your opponent. "

MY RESPONSE:
MY point is NOT the elementary one your knee-jerk reply suggests. My point is not the "What" but rather the "Why". And, I will not say anything more about this until I allow others to watch for themselves, and then have an informed discussion (respectful and well-timed) afterwards.


"Posted by: FEARless
Not an effective way to debate, my friend."

MY RESPONSE:
Actually, I was not debating at all. I was patiently teaching, allowing observers to see it themselves rather than have me just spout off. Ironically, you and I likely see the same thing and draw similar conclusions. Might I suggest you ease up on the rhetoric and show consideration to others here who are trying to learn more about the game, hoping to someday be as astute and gifted as you are.


Mike

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LAY OFF OF JON K and LAKERTOM – SAY NO TO THE LAKER HATERS – BANDWAGON
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Wow. I'm kind of flattered that people are sticking up for me regarding my stalker DFish. Thanks, but, you know, I can stand up for myself. Trust me, DFish will not be around for the long haul. He doesn't have the heart. He'll go away on his own. We've always had trolls, stalkers, and lunatics here. I think there's something about passion (and optimism) that for some people is responded to much like how vampires respond to holy water (or wicked witches respond to water itself). It just drives them nuts and they think somehow by shaming people with passion, fervor, and optimism that somehow it will kill that life and they can go back to being dedicatedly miserable people without distraction. Well, it's not going to to happen. Not here. Lakeraholics are passionate people and passionate people often disagree, but they remain passionate... and a bond forms out of that. We few! We lucky few! We get to be fans of the best team in sports... which, quite frankly, is just AWESOME!@ JON K
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(01) LAKERMIKE - OWNER - In my opinion, this poster who goes by the name DFish has become dysfunctional when it comes to honest perspective. His comments are so biased and close-minded that it is difficult to reconcile much of what he says with reality. His tasteless attacks on fellow posters (Jon K material is wearisome) is inappropriate. I am a nice guy. Some people even say a VERY nice guy! lol But, I want to suggest that DFish comments be left unanswered. His nonsense is a perfect example of what I have previously lamented as the reason some of us are on the fence regarding this blog. In the spirit of restraint and dignity, perhaps a BandWagon is called for which declares we will not interact with the redundancy of the class dunce(s).
(02) KB-BLITZ – DRIVER - LAY OFF of Jon K. He's one of the best bloggers here and he is a far bigger Laker fan the rest of you two Faker fans (DFISH and Jonkay). He was here when the Lakers were just a 45/42 win team while you guys were probably playing video games and only came here when the Lakers became good aka Bandwagon fans. Yes I do have disagreements with Jon K. NAMELY how he remains a Clippers fan and his too positive tone with Andrew Bynum? Do my disagreements with him make me wanna throw a tantrum like a 3 year old girl like you two do? No....in my opinion you two are just as bad as those Laker fans on Christmas who threw those foam hands.
(03) EJK – RIDING SHOTGUN - While we can always scroll past the same old stuff that this guy spews, it can become tiresome to do so. He, and now his alter ego, Jonkay, have quite a strange obsession with Jon K. It's like they're trying to use Jon K to draw attention to themselves...talk about a desperate cry for attention. You can try to respond to him, but as I've learned, there's no point in trying to reason with the unreasonable. Don't waste your breath.
(04)
(05)BRYLLE - Fisher, the steady rock and voice of the team, and we all know he doesn't choke during clutch time. Tell me, how is that not a major contribution DFISH?4)
(06) MAMBA24 -- I think LakerMike about summed it up. Jon K doesn’t need to defend himself against Trolls. Trolls may come and Trolls may go, but Jon K is a LAKER BLOGGER TODAY, LAKER BLOGGER TOMORROW, LAKER BLOGGER FOREVER! LAKERTOM would have you for breakfast!!!
(07) JOLLY RANCHER - Bandwagon - Oh you're talkin' about that poster that types "blah blah blah Fisher...blah blah blah Johnny Boy K...wah wah wah...etc, etc, etc" Yeah, I can ride that one.
(08) JUSTANOTHERMAMBAFAN - Mamba24 - put me on the "Get rid of that troll dfish" bandwagon please. The guy is a moron. Actually - that's kinda insulting to morons everywhere, isn't it?
(09) THE OUTLAW – SECURITY - If only Dit Da Jow could cure stupidity... The Pos(t)er Who Shall Remain Nameless would finally be cured. Am I right, Jon K.? No matter. We know who the real fans are here. And let me say this: Jon K. bleeds purple and gold. That's a fact.
(10) JEANETTE - What is so wrong in sticking with your team? You haters mock us Lakers fans for still believing on this team.It is not fanaticsm, it is the love we have for the Lakers. Now you are calling us out just becuse they lost to Thunders? Sure there are flaws but I am not one to throw any player under the bus. Are you even Lakers fans? Do you only like the team when they are winning? When they are losing you leave them behind. Is this how you treat people around you as well? I have been a Lakers fan for decades and have seen similiar losses like this one. If I live through them I can live through this. At the end of the day, I remember the good memories, good wins and championships won. Not everyday is a bright sunshiny day and I am grateful that the Lakers have a lot of those bright sunshiny days.
(11) WESJOENIXON – The bad Bloggers always come out after a loss.
(12) MTI312 - LOL... You guys are hilarious. THE SKY IS FALLING! I love reading your posts after a loss. Classic!
(13) CORNER J – SEARGENT AT ARMS - Bring it on, trolls, because...Wherever there is injustice, you will find us. Wherever there is Plaschke Virus, we'll be there. And wherever there are whinypoopydiaperfrijolefiring trolls, you will find...THE LAKER AMIGOS!!! Let's ride!!!
(14) ART- FL-LAKERFAN - Let us all bow our heads and recite the Troll Prayer, it goes something like this: Dear God of Trolls, please make the Lakers trade Bynum, Gasol, Fish and Kobe. Send Ron back to Houston, dump Farmar and Shannon and Sasha in the pacific ocean, and for Trolls sake find a way to get rid of Luke. Morrison will be gone because of no more contract hallelujah, hallelujah. And also dear Troll God, send PJ back to Montana tout de suite. That leaves 'too often no-show' LO, 'can't hit the broad side of a barn door with a basketball' Powell and 'the one player no one ever criticizes' Mbenga to build a new team around. Hmm, umm, one more thing dear Troll God, as you know we are only in a righteous state of mind when the Lakers lose so please make Jerry Buss sell the Lakers to Donald Sterling so they will lose many, many games and & can then rise up into Troll heaven.
(15) MARK G - Art - FL Laker Fan, that was hilarious. You forgot about getting rid of Gary Vitti, the Laker Girls and the ball boys though. Seriously though, isn't seppuku really the only honorable option for us as Laker fans? I hate it when the blog comes down with acute Plaschkeitis.
(16) 2 PHATT - OK blog community time for the bandwagon fans to jump off, this is you're opportunity JUMP I hope you didn't brake you're ankles while landing. True Laker fans will continue to support this team regardless. There are many holes with very little passion and heart on display last night, but this team follows it's leader who did not lead. They'll show tonight, you can take that to the BANK.
(17) MAGIC PHIL – VOICE OF REASON - Hey, trully Lakers fan, don't read hatred posts. These people have only 1 thing in mind: hate! We don't hate, waste of time.
(18) ZAIRA AMATERASU – FOREIGN CORRESPONDENT - waited half day to log in and read it all. Well, I woke up at 1.15 PM so it's not that it took much. I was expecting even more "Fakers" "*PutNameIn*Haters" & "Dramz" mayhem but I see it was pretty much under control.
(19) RUUD VAN NISTELROOY - You call the team as Fakers and proclaim yourself a fan?? This "faker" team did indeed win the championship last year!!
(20) VT-LAKER - A cliche is a leech who can only respond in a negative fashion to another person's passion. Get your own life, live it, share it if you like, but try to contribute something that comes from your own experience.
(21) MEL D. - Look if you are not a laker fan, just keep your negative comment about the team.....Lakers will be the champs again, whether you like it or not , they will have maybe 4 more rings after this....
(22) VMAN - Jon K , Compelling reports. The universe has obviously put you here to make sense of the insanity. If ever there was a blog brother that does not need bandwagon protection it would be brother Jon Kav. TRolls season the blog, crawling out after losses to feed on the negative. Some hang 'round, sparked by attention they can't get in real life. It's part of the drama round here, but "round here" is ruled by the positive. All trolls shrivel and eventually disappear. Jon navigates gangsta bars of Lebronze land, he can roll with trolls.
(23) JOVBATZ44 – FLAMETHROWER - Calling our team Fakers is obviously not a fan. Hating on a particular player to death is clearly not a fan. Disrespecting our fellow bloggers without any logical reason is also not a fan Count me in ... I wouldn't mind being the Flame Thrower.
(24) RICK FRIEDMAN – SPECIAL AGENT IN CHARGE -There's a LAYOFF JON K BAND WAGON? I'm in
(25) FEARLESS – ENFORCER - I need to be on this Layoff Jon K bandwagon post haste. Even in the depths of our gloom, when it really does seem like the sky is falling, Jon K's fanaticism is what helps keep me sane. It is then that I know that the latest inexplicable loss served a much higher purpose. Champions are forged in fire. The fire can get pretty hot at times. Jon K (and every other Laker homer like me) allows me to remember that fact.
(26) LONG TIME LAKER FAN – KEEPER OF THE LEGACY - Look, try not to be too sad when the Lakers are having their victory parade. Your team (whether it's the Knicks or someone else) will maybe have a chance in 4 or 5 years, when Kobe finally does slow down as much as you're wishing he had slowed down now.
(27) JUST A LAKERFAN – Please ad me to the lay off Jon K bandwagon as he is a great Laker fan. Also I suggest a lay off LakerTom because of his support for Drew. I too am high on Drew and no one desearves to be rained on because of his/her support for a Laker star.
(28) JAMIE SWEET - @ Mamba24 – PUT me on the "LAY OFF OF JON K – SAY NO TO LAKER HATERS – BANDWAGON" as 'Of course I support Jon K, but his barstool gives him all the luck he'll ever need.'

Tom C In The Desert,

Welcome to the blog.

The game's on KCAL and CST tonight.

What do we play for? RINGS!!!

Lakers Today... Lakers Tomorrow... Lakers Forever.

GO LAKERS!!!!

Jamie Sweet,

I think that Ron Artest has made a strong argument for the Defensive Player of the Year Award, but I think they'll give it to Howard. These awards are all highly political after all. They are always tied in to David Stern's marketing plans.

What do we play for? RINGS!!!

Lakers Today... Lakers Tomorrow... Lakers Forever.

GO LAKERS!!!!

Eric Wright:

Pau for Lee?

HAHAHAHAAaaa....thx, you made my day. I needed a good laugh.

Did you wantch the last game? Pau = 30 points!

I have so much to write, but I can't stop laughing...

HAHHAHHAAAA

@ Jamie Sweet...

You make an excellent point regarding DJ's propensity for picking up fouls in a hurry. And also true that he can turn into a "gunner" when he panics with the ball in his hands as passing lanes close down and his personal space to shoot opens up (should be a clue in and of itself to NOT shoot! lol).

DJ definitely has liabilities. But, he seems to be coachable. Emphasizing to him that we want him to primarily defend & rebound (see coaching comments to Bynum) mixed with predictable opportunities to play might be the cure to his negative shot selection. Perhaps rotation time would also help him restrain himself (on fouls) rather than seek to impress with the few, scattered crumbs of minutes that come his way.

By the way, he sets great picks. His cat-like quickness and leaping ability make him a great target for pick-n-roll offense efforts at the rim. Similar attributes to Tyson Chandler, in my opinion.

Mike

Actually, I was not debating at all. I was patiently teaching, allowing observers to see it themselves rather than have me just spout off. Ironically, you and I likely see the same thing and draw similar conclusions. Might I suggest you ease up on the rhetoric and show consideration to others here who are trying to learn more about the game, hoping to someday be as astute and gifted as you are.Posted by: LakerMike | March 29, 2010 at 10:29 AM
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Dagggg, that was classy. Come on OutLaw, LakerMike, you are two of the people I most come to this Blog to read. Let's unite this Laker Nation. Peace
Mamba24(Larry)

Laker Mike,

What position did you play in college and where did you play?

What do we play for? RINGS!!!

Lakers Today... Lakers Tomorrow... Lakers Forever.

GO LAKERS!!!

Mamba24,

And Picard too I see.
I should have known, lol.

And yes to the Jon K wagon.

Mamba24, And Picard too I see. I should have known, lol.
And yes to the Jon K wagon. Posted by: Art - FL Laker Fan | March 29, 2010 at 10:57 AM

Yeah that's me though it took me a lil while to get used to him. Sisko in deep Space 9 was dead on arrival till he grew his beard and Worf came aboard, then he was rockin. JaneWay sorry but 7 of 9 and Bilana was the only reason I watched. Enterprise, it took Archer time to get in the groove and just when he diid they cancelled it. Speaking of series did you ever see a series by James"Avatar" Cameron called Dark Angel with Jessica Alba? If so what did you think about it. Myself I think it was one of the best series ever. They predicted the Predator drones, Cyber Wars etc. It only lasted 2 seasons and when they took it off it still had high ratings. I think some of their information was hitting to close to the truth.

Mamba24,

"I think some of their information was hitting to close to the truth."

There was a History Channel show featuring the beloved William Shatner about "How Star Trek Changed The World."

In the show they interview people about how the technology in Star Trek inspired the development of real world technology. For example, the development of the cellphone was directly inspired by Star Trek's communicators.

The truth of the matter is that our creative potential as a species is only limited by the depth (and arguably horrors) of our dreams. When a technological idea is expressed visually in a storyline as through film, it develops a certain reality in the realm of ideas and anything found in the realm of idea(l)s can ultimately be manifest to some varying degree in the realm of forms.

Los Angeles is heart of the world's film industry--which I used to be a part of--and thus bears just a brilliant and special responsibility to the planet itself because their creative ideas LITERALLY propel the direction of human technological and spiritual evolution. It's a big fricken deal.

We should all feel a special sense of gratitude and responsibility for being a part of that as a community--directly or indirectly. There is no overstating the importance of creative will. It matters.

What do we play for? RINGS!!!

Lakers Today... Lakers Tomorrow... Lakers Forever.

GO LAKERS!!!

I think that for being a really glorious playoff series, we have to beat Denver in the Final of the western and the Crabs in the Final Final.

Why?

Because first, I do believe in winning over the best (And Celtics are long gone);

secondhandly, the only game that have made me feel uncomfortable this year have been the Xmas shame and the loss against Denver.

I still believe Orlando is more talented than the crabs, so it'd be fit in the scenery I am painting.

But for my personal pleasure, nothing would give me more satisfaction than beating the Crabs in a (fair) final.

Incresing odds of a potential loss, maybe, but for personal attitude, I get satisfaction only in difficult things.

I'm a gamer.

And so I hope my Lakers are still exactly like me.

Can't wait for playoff to start.

I'm already excited just about it.

@JON K, Yeah I saw that show. It's like a which came first thing. Did Science Fiction influence Science who influenced Science Fictiion...? It's like an infinite feedback loop.
I guess that is why so many Science Fiction fans are into computers and all the cutting age developments. Nearly every astronaut is a science fiction fan and it is the reason they got into the space program.
Mamba24(Larry)

Dark Angel with Jessica Alba? If so what did you think about it. Myself I think it was one of the best series ever. They predicted the Predator drones, Cyber Wars etc. It only lasted 2 seasons and when they took it off it still had high ratings. I think some of their information was hitting to close to the truth.

Posted by: MAMBA24 | March 29, 2010 at 11:06 AM

No, somehow I missed that one, don't know how that happened, spaced out.
You know those holobans? I was reading some tech info a week or so ago that was not related to the show nor did it even reference it, but it was describing a technology that should be functional within 3-5 years that sounded very similar to the holoban. That would be fun, Lakers would win every year there!

I agree with Zaira, we need to play the Cavs in the finals. They got the best record, they got LBJ and they got Shaq.
All the drama!!
I really think the Cavs are going to make it to the finals this year.
I want the Lakers and Kobe to beat the Cavs more because Shaq is there than LBJ.

The Los Angeles Lakers Are The Greatest Team in The NBA! I Was Born in 1992 But I Have Been a Fan of Los Angeles Since 1995. I Love My Lakers, Even if They Lose a Game, I Don't Get Disapointed Because I Know We'll Bounce Back. I Love My Lakers They Are The Greatest Ever!!!!

GOOOOO LAKERS!!!!!!!!!!!

LakerMike,

Woah! Slow down just a little. I think we have each mistaken the tone of the other in this "debate". I took your tone to be condescending (which you have made clear that you weren't) and you have taken my tone to be knee-jerk and defensive (which I am not). You and I have been around this blog for a LONG time. You would surely agree that I am one of the least "knee-jerk" bloggers here.

I always try to be thoughtful and instightful (if I can). Communicating this way strips tone and inflection from the things that we say. I anticipated the point you were trying to make only because many others in this same forum have been making the exact same point over and over and over while not actually taking the results into account.

That bothers me because it is patently illogical. I apologize for prematurely lumping you into that group.

However, if you carefully read your post and if you can look at it from my perspective (which is a very difficult task, to be sure), you can see that I came to my conclusions honestly and without malice.

Having been falsely accused, I can see why your follow-up post "feels" so antagonistic. I would really have preferred a post that said something along the lines of "you misread or misunderstood what I was trying to do".

I am adult enough to take the criticism. However, do not paint me as "knee-jerk", "premature", or worse yet "full of rhetoric".

BTW, it was that last comment that really hurt. I like to think of myself as a person whose words hold more weight than mere rhetoric.

I will take your suggestion and watch those same 3-minute segments. I await eagerly what conclusion you wish to draw. But, be prepared if I don't agree (though it is likely I will agree). You don't have to denigrate me or my opinion just because it isn't the same as yours.

BTW, it is cool that you have so much basketball experience. I dig that. However, that experience isn't a requirement to knowing basketball.

We'll speak again after the game.

--FEARless

Zaira,

"I'm a gamer.

And so I hope my Lakers are still exactly like me."

No need to worry. The Lakers are all gamers. Just like you. They take on Stern and his machinations and turn them on their ears every single time. We all know that for Kobe it doesn't count if it wasn't hard.

I can't wait for the playoffs, either.

--FEARless

By the way, "objectivity" and Lakeraholicism are not mutually exclusive.

One can really love steak and still have the discernment to objectively discriminate between really good and not-so-great steak.

What do we play for? RINGS!!!

Lakers Today... Lakers Tomorrow... Lakers Forever.

GO LAKERS!!!!

Posted by: Jon K. | March 29, 2010 at 12:24 PM


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