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Lakers' Pau Gasol and Phil Jackson acknowledge flagrant foul against Phoenix, but are satisfied with increased physical presence

As he approached the small gathering of reporters following Sunday's practice in El Segundo, Lakers forward Pau Gasol let out a smile. There's not a better feeling knowing your Crest-kid friendly teeth no longer have braces, a two-and-a-half year venture that ended Thursday morning when they were removed just before the team's trip to Phoenix.

"Hopefully I don't get popped in the mouth and lose a couple of teeth," Gasol joked.

A reporter had an immediate comeback, suggesting that may happen since he's been throwing elbows lately, most notably his hard foul in the Lakers' 102-96 victory Friday against the Phoenix Suns. In that game, Gasol made a hard foul with 5:06 remaining in the fourth quarter on Phoenix backup center Louis Amundson across his face after he received a pass from guard Steve Nash inside. Suns Coach Alvin Gentry ran to the mid-court line and immediately told officials they should've given Gasol a flagrant foul. Instead, they ejected Gentry, who had to be restrained from his coaching staff and Phoenix guard Jason Richardson.

After watching the replay, Gasol admitted he thought the call should've been a flagrant foul. But he simply called the play "an accident," and that it was just part of his intention to play more aggressively.

Of course, Gasol's reputation as a physical presence has been spotty at best and has often earned him the reputation as being a soft player. That may have been an appropriate description for his play during the 2008 NBA Finals, but now it's often confused with his finesse flair around the basket. There's no doubt, however, opponents have tried rattling him, though he's made a conscious effort to indicate it won't intimidate him.

Nonetheless, Gasol started off this month pretty sluggish, shooting below .500 in two of the first three games and looking out of rhythm. After the Lakers' embarrassing 98-83 loss March 5 to Charlotte, Lakers coach Phil Jackson had Gasol meet with former Knicks forward Charles Oakley, who knew a thing or two about playing physical. 

Gasol then came out last week against Orlando letting frustrations get the best of him. After Orlando Center Dwight Howard tugged at Gasol's jersey, Gasol responded on the other end by hitting his head on a dunk, good enough for a flagrant foul. Jackson didn't subscribe to the theory that Gasol has overcompensated, adding that it's not in Gasol's nature to play dirty. Instead, Jackson wants him to play "firm," maintaining a fine line between playing physical and dirty.

As Jackson mentioned in the video above, Gasol improved tremendously between the first and second half against Phoenix. He appeared sluggish in the first half and had trouble defending Amare Stoudemire, but then his energy and effort level increased in the second half, finishing with a respectable 15 points on seven of 11 shooting, along with eight rebounds and four blocks. That effort came on the heel of center Andrew Bynum scoring 18 points on eight of 12 shooting, marking the second consecutive game he has shot at that rate.

Of course, the question on whether Gasol and Bynum can produce together on a consistent basis has often been asked, but never fully answered except for a sprinkle of games here or there. But Jackson and forwards Lamar Odom and Ron Artest expect that relationship to flourish.

Meanwhile, Gasol brought up something unrelated, but something that could apply all too well to his effort in improving his physical presence and playing alongside Bynum. That involves his teeth, which will now require a retainer on a nightly basis. As someone who wore braces myself, I can attest that it's far easier said than done to remember putting on that piece of plastic before falling asleep. We'll soon see if the efforts to play physical and in complementing Bynum will pose similar long-term challenges.

--Mark Medina

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Pau Gasol had braces? Huh? I should have known that.

Knowing that I wish Pau had taken more inspiration from the James Bond films...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zD0JqFmCrCs

"His name is Jaws... and he kills people."

What do we play for? RINGS!!!

Lakers Today... Lakers Tomorrow... Lakers Forever.

GO LAKERS!!!

ok Wilhelm Tell. next time aim at the Green Apple not at Adam's apple.

Jon K's Keys To A Championship That Mean Absolutely Nothing Because Phil Jackson And Kobe Bryant Know WAY More About Basketball Than What I Will Ever Know:

1. Getting the ball inside to both Pau Gasol and Andrew Bynum with the goal that both of them can average a double-double each night.

2. Gettting BOTH Pau Gasol and Andrew Bynum more touches. Both players simply play better with more touches and both Andrew Bynum and Pau Gasol should be looking to each other as first option in passing to enhance both the amount of touches each gets and to better pound the inside game.

3. Kobe Bryant unleashing his inner Jerry West and becoming the best, most aggressive facilitator he can.

4. Ron Artest taking the muzzle off and aggressively getting into the head (and personal space) of our opponents' best offensive weapon. It's been said before and it will be said again: Defense wins Championships.

5. Somebody (SOMEBODY!), be he Lamar Odom, Jordan Farmar, Luke Walton or Sasha Vujacic (SOMEBODY!) getting the second unit to play with urgency, cohesion and, yes, swagger.

6. Somebody (SOMEBODY!), be he Derek Fisher, Ron Artest, Sasha Vujacic, Shannon Brown, Jordan Farmar or Adam Morrison to become THAT GUY who can hit the open three-pointer when the double-team shuts down the post and the ball can be kicked out to the open man.

7. Andrew Bynum, Pau Gasol, and Lamar Odom getting their hands up in the air and getting some darned blocks!

8. The general health of our players and a full roster.

There it is. I clearly know more than a coach with ten rings and a legendary player with four. {Self-effacing sarcastic humor intended.}

What do we play for? RINGS!!!

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GO LAKERS!!!!

i think he had the invisalign one, which is why you may not have noticed them. yeah the braces probably didn't help intimidate opponents.

I was encouraged by Pau's performance in the Phx. game because he showed some of his signature moves that I hadn't seen in a while. On one play, he hit a nice turnaround jumper over Amare, turning over his right shoulder. That was on the left side of the court about 10 feet from the basket and just a little off the low box.

On the other, he shot a beautiful jump hook with his RIGHT hand over Amundsen on the right baseline. Pau has been finishing with his lefty jump hook a lot lately, so it was nice to see him add a little variety to his repertoire.

We need Pau if the Lakers are going to get where we all want them to go. Pau just has to relax and play his game.

LOL, Jon K.

Nice to see you retaining your sense of humor despite the setback in your life. Keep your head to the sky, my friend!

he didn't have invisalign, he had metal braces! how could you guys not tell?

I find it interesting that Pau decided to get braces upon arriving in Los Angeles, which is probably based upon lots of reasons:

1) Los Angelenans are vain and I'm okay with that, I'm vain myself.

2) The people in Los Angeles pretty much have all their teeth. The same cannot be said for Memphis.

3) Hot chicks in Memphis (the few that exist) probably don't care that much if you have a snaggletooth mouth because, hey, who cares about oral hygiene anyways, right? All those straight teeth just get in the way of gorging on Memphis barbarque anyhow.

4) Being in Los Angeles, Pau wants to feel more comfortable (and on peer) with other beautiful people in Los Angeles.

5) According to Pau's Bio-Chrono it is important for him to feel attractive (and feel that people are attracted to him, THAT'S why it is important for him to feel ARE LOOKING for him--it's weird but that's the way this type functions, nothing's wrong with it, it's just their way), so, understandably he's going want to look and feel his best. Why not straighten his teeth? He's got the money, right?

[I must be bored if I am using my skills in personality profiling to talk about Pau Gasol's braces. This is what happens when I am suddenly fired on my birthday by a lunatic with a strong personality disorder. I have looked into the deep maw of chaos and seen it looking back at me. Man, I need to get out of Cleveland.]

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Jerry West may have been right when he predicted that Drew and Pau would not flourish together on the floor. It's a problem when you can't put your two best, highly paid frontcourt players on the court together in crunch time.

Maybe it's because their styles of play are similar in that they're both finesse players, with Drew bringing slightly more power to his game. Maybe it's because there's a lack of foot speed on the floor when they're playing together. Whatever it is, we need to get this resolved in the near future.

I still think we're good enough to win championships with Pau and Drew, but thinking in the longer term, we may want to have better balance on the floor and better use of our payroll.

I meant, "PLAYERS ARE LOOKING for him"

Sorry about that. Please excuse me whilst I bait traps for LeBroniacs with deep fried Snickers bars. It works. Believe me. It works.

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wait, if Pau says the call probably should have been called a flagrant, does he get fined for criticizing the refs? Why the heck not? He said they were wrong, right?

Hold on!

DO they have dentists in Memphis?

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It feels like some kind of regeneration's going on right now. I think we're gonna dominate through this stretch drive and I think we'll catch the Cavs for home court.

Jon K,

I want you to apologize on this forum for your derogatory remarks on the citizens of Memphis:

- "DO they have dentists in Memphis?" -
Why, is Memphis in the stone age?? You can come here, I will pull out your teeth and show you!!

- "The people in Los Angeles pretty much have all their teeth. The same cannot be said for Memphis."
How do you saw this?? Have you seen into the mouth of all our people in Memphis?? Or do you have statistics to prove that??

- "All those straight teeth just get in the way of gorging on Memphis barbarque anyhow."
I will set your teeth to jagged, so then you'll enjoy the BBQ?? Up for the challenge??

Blog moderator, this is a sports blog, or is this a forum for people to make bad comments on other citizens??

Please ask Jon K to apologize.

So Jon K dude, this is your "personality" - to pass bad comments or make derogatory remarks on people who have not done any bad or harmed you??

You are commenting about the person who fired you as having a strong personality disorder??

Aloha Blitz,

You kind of jumped in on a discussion that Hobbit and I have been having. I don't know if you read every post but I pointed out that I liked the way Kobe played in the last game. I would disagree that its the way he plays every game. More then anything else I am concerned about the broken finger. He is taking 22 shots a game at 44%, and will will not repeat with those numbers. What you failed to mention was that Bynum and Pau combined for 15 of 23 inside. That does draw the defense in and I like I said all along, this gives Kobe more room to do what he does. When he has the space he scores or finds others.

I understand and agree with you about teams collapsing the paint. But an entry pass does not have to result in a shot for the big to be effective. When teams collapse that means there are open guys. Pau is a very good and willing passer. Again Kobe and everyone else benefits from that entry pass. this is not radical, it is basket ball 101, its training tape stuff, thats why I cant understand all the resistance to the notion. I mean whether you penetrate the paint with a pass or off the dribble its what all teams not named the Warriors or the Knicks strive to do.

Like I said before, the Suns game was a blue print for a repeat. Kobe shooting 22 a game at 44% with a broken finger will get us bounced before we even get to the finals.

Aloha

MH

JonK.
The thing that frustrates me about Laker rebounding...seeing how they have 21 feet worth of height at 3/4/5 when Lamar, Bynum and Pau are in there is that, they always seem to be late in following the ball, and they never box out. OK boxing out is fundamental, if you don't get the ball, at least your boxed out player will get it. I don't see enough of basic boxing out. Footwork like I said before...the AB, and Pau play with their feet too close together, easy to tip off balance, that's why they're not grabbing balls, because they are trying to hold position. What makes Lamar such a great rebounder??? Rodman scoring aspirations??? I have no qualms with 10 points and 15 boards a night. Foul trouble, as players drive into Pau and AB, especially, stay on the ground, if you jump, you're going to get called for a foul if you breathe on the offensive player, play it like an outside shooter, make them make a few shots over you before you start getting more aggressive. So stay on the ground, face your driver, and you'll get called for the foul anyway...see "The Stern Rules". This years playoffs will take a grind on Phil if they go deep "as planed"...the wear and tear could affect his decision for next year...remember he wanted some days off last year???? Cuz the coach on those off road games would have been Rambis, or was it early this year, can't remember, I'm "Laker Tom-ish" now, well I was in a bad accident a few weeks ago. Jeanie Buss should sue her father for sexual discrimination, as she has put in all the work thru the years and then little Jimmy Buss comes along and falls off his horse and will get the job. I hope that as soon as Kobe retires he runs the team into the ground so fast that something has to be done. We could pick up maybe 2 lottery picks in 2 bad years, and Pau and the rest of the team would still be young enough to go for 3 titles, since that seems to be the trend. Pau seems perfect for the Triangle Offense, I don't know how he will fair in some other coaches system who would want Shaq style play. He should work on his jumper, and no he does not need to ask Nowitzki for help, he's a far more accomplished player overall than the ringless wonder who has the benefits of the comfy lounges supplied by Cuban, a person, I wish never came along, and I thought the previous Mav owner was bad, that guy who used to wear the hat.
I think Dunleavy did a great job the year he took the Lakers to the Finals, and they may have won, if not for the injuries. Magic, Worthy and Perkins all playing in the post and the tempo was slowed to playoff style...by playoffs the bruises were already there.

I'm telling you, folks: I think we're gonna get Orlando in the Finals again. This time, I think the Lakers win in 7. On our home court. With Mamba24 wearing his... um... "special" purple undies.

Go Lake Show!

RIP KAREEM'S CO PILOT

Peter Graves, dead at 83.

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/03/15/arts/television/15graves.html?hp

"wait, if Pau says the call probably should have been called a flagrant, does he get fined for criticizing the refs? Why the heck not? He said they were wrong, right?

Posted by: phred | March 14, 2010 at 07:23 PM"

See "The Stern Rules", the part that applies will lead to an addendum to a section entitled "Things that make no sense". Stern probably wants the Lakers to get tougher, so he's going to let them play that way, will make for more exciting playoffs, tv game viewers, Cha Ching!!!! ...David "Ferengi" Stern!!!!! Imagine how great it will be when he's gone....he's only 67 years old, dang, maybe the Russian won't get along with him, and David and Jimmy Hoffa can meet.

Greetings from Chiang Mai.

The Sacramento Kings of Basketball are up next. The Lakers could easily be down 0-2 to the Kings this year, and should be 1-1. The Lakers are a great team, in fact, you've probably already peaked. The Kings are young, talented, big, athletic, and just now beginning to find themselves. Cap space and another high end first-rounder when this season is over. Back in the playoffs next year. Contending the following. Could be another great game. Reke is ROY! He says the Lake Show is a rivalry game. We'll see.

Sonnybelfast

Memphis Man,

Learn to take a joke, dude. Methinks the Memphiser doeth protest too much.

Have you ever read the eternal Jim Murray? He used to RIP on other cities and it was hilarious... and he practically won a Pulitzer Prize for it.

I WILL NOT apologize about Memphis because I meant what I said as a joke and it should be taken as such.

Do you have all your teeth? Methinks you might not.

What do we play for? RINGS!!!

Lakers Today... Lakers Tomorrow... Lakers Forever.

GO LAKERS!!!!

Memphis Man,

" Have you seen into the mouth of all our people in Memphis?? Or do you have statistics to prove that??"

Yes, I have seen the mouths of all the people in Memphis. It is an extraordinary skill set I have that I include in bold text at the top of my resume.

The horror... the horror...

Anyhow, I believe that Memphis is number three on the national misery index, Cleveland taking the esteemed first position. It has been joked that Akron is the capital of West Virginia, in part because so many West Virginians moved here to work in the rubber/tire industry in its heyday. Through the extraorinary number of people I've met out here, I've come to recognize "mountain culture" and central Southern culture and, dude, oral hygiene is not in the top ten of priorities out in the hollows, okay?

So, you can take your petty false outrage and go gum a peanut butter and banana sandwich with it, alright, pal?

What do we play for? RINGS!!!

Lakers Today... Lakers Tomorrow... Lakers Forever.

GO LAKERS!!!!

Humanomaly,

I absolutely agree with you that the Lakers should be dominating the boards. Of our main bigs (Andrew, Pau and Lamar) Lamar seems to be the only one who is consistenly dedicated to getting that rebound. With Pau, sometimes he is; sometimes he's not. With Andrew, everything plays off whether or not he's scoring. If he's scoring, he's interested in rebounding; if he's not scoring, he's not interested in rebounding.

I'd like to see Josh Powell and DJ Mbenga get more minutes. I like their energy. Energy is contagious.

What do we play for? RINGS!!!

Lakers Today... Lakers Tomorrow... Lakers Forever.

GO LAKERS!!!

Michael H,

Again lemme go over the basics:

" When teams collapse that means there are open guys."

Again it matters not when your shooters ARE NOT MAKING SHOTS.

@MIA:
Artest: 1-4 from 3 point range

@CHAR
Artest: 0-4 from 3 point
Fisher: 1-4 from 3 point range

@ORL
Fisher: 1-3
Artest: 1-5

Those numbers are *NOT* going to make teams fear the Lakers outside shooters. If your shooter FAILS to *consistently* knock down shots heck why the hell should you fear their shooting? That means the lanes are clogged more. If your shooters are failing to make defenses pay heck why should the opposing team not worry about them?

"Again Kobe and everyone else benefits from that entry pass. this is not radical, it is basket ball 101, its training tape stuff, thats why I cant understand all the resistance to the notion."

This is not as easy as just giving the person in the post. That's what happened in Miami and Charlotte. Those teams did not have to fear Artest or Fisher or the bench knocking down a 3 or even a mid range two so they zoned up and denied the entry pass. The Lakers tried to force it down their bigs the defenders knocks the ball away and there you go: TURNOVER VILLA. The spacing MUST be there in order for the big to even GET the ball. That's why 19 turnovers against Miami and 20 turnovers against Charlotte. The Lakers shooters failed to make them pay and teams simply worked to deny the entry. I dunno if you watch football but if your Receivers are failing to get down field to make the defense pay for coming closer, it's going to be even tougher to throw it for a short route like a slant since they are MUCH closer and can have a hand in the pass.

That's why I'm still in favor of Gasol-Odom since Odom will provide that space since he plays in the perimeter ALOT. Bynum and Gasol? They need the post and no Gasol while having a decent jumper is by no means Dirk Nowitkzi in that spot. Don't expect Bynum to play in the perimeter either. If Gasol is in the post Bynum must be out which makes him less effective for Gasol to properly use the post as good. Ditto for the opposite. Gasol is less effective in the mid-range than in the post when Bynum uses it.

In last year's playoffs Ariza and Odom LIT up the perimeter each one shooting a sizzling 50%+ from the perimeter allowing Gasol to work and Kobe to do this thing and the Lakers win the title. Artest is shooting an average 37% (that is average and that is barely making 1 out of three when the ideal is 40%+) and Fish is 36%. The playoffs will be a different situation but if Fish made more shots in the playoffs overall some games wouldn't have gone like they were and would mean more wins and I could go on.

It's not some advanced PER statistic....it's being smart. If your shooters are failing to make shots consistently (40% being consistent wow.....Allen Iverson must be standard LOL). then your bigs won't have room to even RECEIVE the entry pass.

One thing Michael I reccomend is you rent out NBA2K10 or some other game and have Gasol AND Bynum try to post up. See how big the lanes are clogged and have Fisher and Artest have crappy shooting stats (they most likely will) and try to have Gasol and Bynum score when the opposing teams are doubling and playing the passing lanes for the entry pass. Not every easy as simply passing the ball is it?

Sometimes Gasol/Bynum has to go out to the high post just to receive the entry pass....not a very high FG% for either of them. It's already hard enough for Dirk.

The Outlaw,

"I'm telling you, folks: I think we're gonna get Orlando in the Finals again"

It could happen. As I've noted before when the Magic are unbeatable, they're unbeatable. Look at the Finals last year, ONE GAME they torched us and there was nothing we could have done.

When they're good, they're great. It's just difficult for them to sustain that incredible play because it is so based on the three-pointer. Live by the three-pointer; die by the three pointer.

I'm not sure the Cavs have that killer mentality so necessary for the playoffs. We've got it (duh, we've got Kobe Bryant on our team), the Celtics have it, the Magic can get it... we WILL see how this all works out.

I like my team.

What do we play for? RINGS!!!!

Lakers Today... Lakers Tomorrow... Lakers Forever.

GO LAKERS!!!

sonnybelfast,

Nice to see you back again. You're not even a troll, which is nice.

Personally, I'd like to see the Kings competitive again and it's possible it can happen. It would be great to punk them in the playoffs each year.

What do we play for? RINGS!!!

Lakers Today... Lakers Tomorrow... Lakers Forever.

GO LAKERS!!!

Passing derogatory remarks on others is a joke for you??

Gotta applaud your sense of humor!!

So, tomorrow if someone comes and roasts your behind and calls it humor, lets see if you still consider it humorous!!

Sonny old friend. The Lakers have not peaked. I thought the Kings showed some real possibilities early in the season but 22 & 44 isn't heading in the right direction. Tyreke's awesome and you've got a few other pieces. Landry's got a lot of heart. I really thought Westphal would put it together for you guys but I'm not so sure now.

Memphis Man,

Get thee to a dentist!

Dude, I have people rip on me all the time on this blog. I deal with it. Can't expect everyone to like you all the time. That's life.

Anyhow, I'm sorry you can't take a joke. In all honesty, I hear the barbarque in Memphis is phenomenal and I'm a big Elvis fan; however, after that there's not a lot I've heard of to celebrate in Memphis. I'm just calling a horse "a horse."

If you want to rip on Cleveland or Akron, rip away. That's your right.

What do we play for? RINGS!!!

Lakers Today... Lakers Tomorrow... Lakers Forever.

GO LAKERS!!!!

Jon K,
More minutes for Josh and DJ would give less time for Pau to be craving the ball, and giving him more rest, would give some more physical presence as their fouls could be given with emphasis, and I believe both would be capable of doing that job, it would also give Artest some bench time to sit and watch Josh run it right (the triangle), Josh and DJ are more familiar with the T offense so Kobe can play facilitator, he definitely is not 100% this year, and he should have surgery the day after the last game this year, (unlike Shaquilla)...Teams scout, but they don't scout the bench as seriously as the regular rotation, the first pass effect, not actually a pass, but with each team they run into, these teams will be expecting the Lakers regular rotation which is basically Pau out, LO in, Bynum out, Pau in, Fisher out, put in pick 2006/2nd round #25 Shannon (44" Vertical) or 2006 2nd round pick #26 Jordan Farmar (42"Vertical)...if you mix it up a little they're game plan is off, havn't you noticed how many times when we have a star out, and we win (hey just happened)...

Getting braces at his age is not that unusual nowadays. He's healthier for the long term for your teeth. Why he did not get it earlier, well, maybe he was kinda busy being the #1 on Memphis and didn't feel he could afford any distraction, maybe he got a full sales job that convinced him it would not hinder him in any way. Greg Oden, you're not playing much, get it done. Not that you are a marketing dream, but you have time...and probably will, Say Hi to Sam Bowie for me, he didn't play well for us for that short time, but I believe he provided inspiration and leadership.

KB Blitz,

"If your shooter FAILS to *consistently* knock down shots heck why the hell should you fear their shooting?"

Are you saying that Sasha Vujacic is our savior and the cornerstone to our upcoming Championship? Because that's what I hear you're saying. So, if that's what you're saying, KB, just come out and say it, okay?

You're saying Sasha is key to our Championship. I think that's rather bold of you, but I respect your expert opinion.

What do we play for? RINGS!!!!

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GO LAKERS!!!

Sonnybelfast,

You guys got it next year. Not this one. I honestly hope the Kings don't move to Las Vegas. Sacramento is a cool town. I've always enjoyed my visits there.

What do we play for? RINGS!!!

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GO LAKERS!!!

How did Samuel L. Jackson not win the Academy Award for his performance in "Pulp Fiction?" It was an utterly historic performance.

{Sorry. It was on television and sometimes I say things.}

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Memphis Man

best to stop when y'all behind

Funny Stuff Jon K, and Memphis Man just makes it even more insanely funny.

KB Blitz,

thanks for clarifying.

Michael H,

you wrote: When teams collapse that means there are open guys. Pau is a very good and willing passer. Again Kobe and everyone else benefits from that entry pass. this is not radical, it is basket ball 101, its training tape stuff, thats why I cant understand all the resistance to the notion. I mean whether you penetrate the paint with a pass or off the dribble its what all teams not named the Warriors or the Knicks strive to do.

my response: I thought Kb Blitz did a great job of explaining, but allow me to
add .02.

Let's say that Kobe throws the ball into Pau.
Pau gets double-teamed and no body cuts to give him a target for the pass.
A turnover results.

Does inside-outside basketball work?

Let's say that Kobe throws the ball into Pau
Pau passes out to D-Fish.
D-Fish shoots a long two and clangs it!
Per the month of Dec, Jan & Feb, our Bigs
don't box out and the opponent gets the rebound.

Does inside-outside basketball work?

Let's say that the ball gets to Bynum when he's under
the basket. He takes 4 steps trying to get from under
the rim to try a wild shot. He's called for traveling.

Does inside-outside basketball work?

You seem to only be looking at the equation from everybody
is doing the right thing and making their shots. Per the players,
they haven't been doing the right thing. Per the box score, they
haven't been making their shots.

So if people are moving, the spacing is bad, the players are not
giving effort and the shooters can't buy shots, does
inside-outside basketball work?

Hey Memphis Man

have you ever had to climb a water tower with a bucket of paint to defend your sister's honor?

Humanomaly,

Have you noticed that when Kobe Bryant does something spectacular (which is his nature) the first person he goes to celebrate with is Josh Powell?

To me, that says something positive about Josh Powell. If Kobe enjoys and respects him, he deserves respect. Give the guy more minutes.

What do we play for? RINGS!!!!

Lakers Today... Lakers Tomorrow... Lakers Forever.

GO LAKERS!!!!

About the inside-out game.
When we had the MDE it was the only way to run the offense.
Gasol whined the other day about how he's always played the inside-out game and how much better it would be if the Lakers did.
Well correct me if I'm wrong, but how did that inside-out offense work out in Memphis? And exactly how many teams use it today?
It might work for the Spanish National Team but not in the NBA without a true dominant center with passing skills.
For those of you who want to use the statistics of Bynum and Gasol for the most recent Toronto or Phoenix game, remember Toronto is a finesse team that makes most Western Conference teams look like bullies including Phoenix
The more physical teams neutralize the big men for the most part and that is why the NBA is a perimeter dominated league.
Most importantly, rule changes in the NBA have ensured this will be the case for a very long time.

Jon K,

I'll step in and say that Sasha is gonna be key for us in the playoffs, esp with our other guards shooting as poorly as they are. Sasha is our best pure shooter, and if he can regain his stroke from the 2008 run, I see him playing significant minutes for us in the playoffs. We clearly need someone who can keep the perimeter defenders honest and give our bigs space to operate down low.

And like you, I would've liked to have seen more of Powell and Mbenga this season for the purpose of keeping Pau's minutes down. That obviously hasn't worked out, and with Phil shortening his rotation for the home stretch, I don't see them getting off the bench unless our starters get in serious foul trouble. It's too bad b/c I think Mbenga could bring spurts of energy to our team in limited minutes and give a hard foul or two.

Aloha Hobbit,

Got to be honest, that last post was fairly lame. Are you really suggesting that we abandon fundamental basketball because a guy might make a mistake or miss a shot? Everything you you mentioned has and will continue to happen during the course of a season. and it happens to every team. The key is HOW OFTEN does it happen. Ya Pau will turn it over, he currently turns it over 2.1 times a game he might also find an open man, a cutter or he might kick it back out, so the ball can swing around to the open man. Maybe the guy thats assigned to double Kobe collapse on Pau and Pau kicks it back out to Kobe only now Kobe has space.

Ya a missed shot might lead to the other team rebounding but then we are second in the league in rebounding and we wouldn't be there if we hadn't been rebounding the last 3 months like you suggest.

Drew also turns the ball over, 1.5 times a game. and he misses shots to. He misses 44% of the time, sure thats only in the top 5 or 6 guys in the league. Of course since he broke his finger Kobe shoots only 44% but I guess in your world you prefer that. Oh by the way both Shannon and Jordon are also shooting 44%. Look this isn't the bad old days of Smush and Kwame. We have some quality players on this team. And they do make plays.
Bottom line our ball movement has been stagnant because we have not been playing the right way, and that is what Pau was talking about.

And you know what is confusing to me? You said and I quote "per the players they haven't been doing the right thing." Isn't that what Pau was saying? He was talking in terms of team . Then you complimented Blitz on his break down of the last game and yet we played that game exactly the way I have been talking about. We were moving the ball. Kobe played within his injury and only took 16 shots and made a good % and he had eight assist! He turned the ball over because of his hand but I can live with that because he had everyone involved. So do you like the way we played last game or not? Personally I like it when we move the ball and everyones involved. Like I said I'm confused.

Aloha

MH

aloha Blitz,

somehow I missed your last post to me. You can look at what I wrote to Hobbit, it pretty much explains how I feel. But seriously, how do you think we are suppose to play? I think you play the game the right way and hope your good enough to win. Which I think we are. This whole conversation has been crazy to me, because the players are saying we haven't been playing the right way, the coaches say we haven't been playing the right way. Commentators and writers and other coaches and scouts all talk about how we go away from the post for no apparent reason and how stagnant our ball movement becomes. I watch the games myself and am yelling at the t.v for them to move the ball. Get it inside etc. Yet you and Hobbit are arguing, what? I don't even know. That sometimes we don't make the plays and lose? That its o.k not to play fundamentals? I'm really not even sure what the point is. All I know is we will not repeat unless we are successful doing it the right way. Kobe averaged 26 shots with his broken finger during that 3 game losing streak. Again we will not get out of the west if that continues. Last game he takes 16 shots 8 assists, everyone was involved and we won. Thats what I'm talking about.

MH

"The more physical teams neutralize the big men for the most part and that is why the NBA is a perimeter dominated league.
Most importantly, rule changes in the NBA have ensured this will be the case for a very long time.

Posted by: Troll Man | March 14, 2010 at 11:50 PM"

Troll Man, remember as the post season starts and progresses it is entirely unlike an ordinary game, except for Davie Stern's X-Mas BB-Gun....hasnt't changed for years in a way....was always Lakers (Shaq & Kobe vs East team, then Shaq vs. Kobe, then Kobe vs Shaq, now conveniently Shaq and Lebron are teammates so makes it easier to have them go against Kobe, or The BostonLeprachauns....

...you know, St. Patrick's Day???? They tell you to wear green, and if you didn't your classmates in grade school would punch you, well I'm Chinese and I didn't see any reason why I should be made to celebrate that pseudo-holiday, face it, it's just another day for adults to screw off at work and go drink green beer. There was never any thought that Chinese New Year's should be honored equally....this was back in the 60's and if you recall that was after the period where it was very difficult to for Chinese to immigrate to the United States. I was the first and one of the few in my family to be born in the United States even to this day, as much of my family eventually located in Seattle and Vancouver, B.C. My point being, St Patrick's day to me was a waste of time. I refused to wear green and would take the punches. I would not concede. That was a left turn, eh?

Jon K.

...and the last man he hugs before taking the court is Josh Powell. I wonder what the chemistry and how it developed. When they hug, it's not just a token hug, it's like a battle hug. Few if any words are spoken and it's a very serious moment between the two, and for you warped people, I'm not implying anything "unusual". Jon, make sure you get as much sun as you can during the day, don't become a recluse and wait for the next job to come to you, go out, talk to people, read everything, and be yourself, a very, very decent human being.

howard.

Jon K,

"

How did Samuel L. Jackson not win the Academy Award for his performance in "Pulp Fiction?" It was an utterly historic performance.

{Sorry. It was on television and sometimes I say things.}

What do we play for? RINGS!!!

Lakers Today... Lakers Tomorrow... Lakers Forever.

GO LAKERS!!!!

Posted by: Jon K. | March 14, 2010 at 11:03 PM"

Just yesterday I posted the Twist Dance scene with Uma and Travolta, all the while I was thinking what better way for a date to end then stabbing your date in the chest with a needle and pounding on her chest. Generally I'm mixed about Tarantino movie's....My favorite director is Ridley Scott, followed closely by his brother Tony Scott.

"Maybe the guy thats assigned to double Kobe collapse on Pau and Pau kicks it back out to Kobe only now Kobe has space."

For the last time answer this question:

IF THE DEFENSE IS COLLAPSED ON THE BIG MEN AND PREVENTING THE ENTRY PASS AND YOUR SHOOTERS ARE NOT MAKING THE TEAM PAY WHAT ON EARTH DO YOU DO???

DO YOU FORCE IT IN THERE AND RISK A TURNOVER OR DO YOU ATTEMPT TO RUN THE OFFENSE IN ORDER TO *OPEN UP* THE POST/OPEN SHOOTERS??

The inside out game will NEVER work if the defense is collapsing and the shooters are not paying. Have you forgotten the 5-14 shooting from Gasol? What about the 3-9 from Bynum when Larry Brown's defense forced LA's shooters to either pay or try to force it? 20 turnovers....AGAIN LET ME SPELL IT OUT:

T-U-R-N-O-V-E-R-S.

20 against Charlotte
19 against Miami.

The point is that the offense must be run in order to get the big men or shooters opened as is the case with Triangle Offense. You cannot simply just *dump the ball into Bynum or Gasol* and hope to re-post if the defense collapses. Defenses are not DUMB especially with the lack of hand checking. If that was our offense damn it's a very sad offense even our offense when it was with Shaq wasn't as simplistic as that. If your bigs are just standing around hoping to the the ball in the post when entry into the post is nearly impossible due to defensive pressure then hell no wonder why Kobe gets 30+ shots.

So your argument is that 20 turnovers are fine if we get the ball so Bynum or Gasol can get their precious touches?

And no Jon, I never said Sasha was the hope. Let me ask you this:

If Ron and Derek did not shoot as well in Phoenix could we have won that game still?

Even without the bros, this is still one of the most entertaining sports blogs anywhere. You're on a roll Jon K. Keep up the good work and get out of Cleveland poste haste. Why punish yourself. Now is your window. Do it!

Go Sacramento Kings of Basketball! The Kings will play 500 ball the remainder of the season. Next year, they'll be 5-10 games over 500; possibly the playoffs. And yes, I do believe the Lake-Show has peaked, at least until you can buy more stars. In Sacramento, we are building a team from the ground up, the way it should be done.

Have you seen that Dorsey guy...looks like a mightier Dwight Howard, but only a few inches shorter? I expect a highly competitive game tomorrow. The Kings are out to show that they are back, and will rightfully provide the necessary spanking.

Sonnybelfast

*
THE FREAKIN WORLD CHAMPION LAKERS 16 – 0 - BANDWAGON
*
(01) CORNER-J – OWNER/TROLL GUNNER -we need a "16-0 BANDWAGON", dude. And I'm not just talking about the rest of the regular season...playoffs, baby! Put me down as Troll Patrol Gunner on the Bandwagon.
(02) LAKERTOM – DRIVER
(03) MAMBA24 - RIDING SHOTGUN
(04) #4
(05)

PETER GRAVES RIP
Peter Graves, here’s to you, And the Mission Impossible’s you always pulled thru
You were a class actor and a swell guy, Now you are really flying high in the sky
But just one thing you’ll have to explain, before you’re let on the Heavenly Plane
I’ll ask you now & not Later, What did you mean by “Joey do you like to play Gladiator”
On second though that will be no bar, After all you appeared with Laker great Abdul Jabbar
So here’s to you, rest in peace, May your Heavenly plane ride never cease
*

Pau needs to accumulate at least 8 more of these hard fouls. This is one of the ways he can move from his correct labeling of being soft. It seems that Phil's having Charles Oakley mentor Pau is working.

I see a transformation in Pau; aggressive, hard fouls, taking on Kobe publically in the media. I like it. I want to see how this pans out.

THE EGGS IS JIGGLIN
Next up Golden State & what can I say, it’s a game, I hope a win and it’s away
The Lakers are finally beginning to jell, The game at Phoenix was played pretty well
Everybody got a chance to shoot, Pau’s getting a rep for being dirty to boot
Now we have 4 with their game face on, Kobe, Pau, LO & of course Ron Ron.
The team has their timing just about right, By playoff time the D will be tight
The D will be tight & the team will be well, Ugh, Ugh NBA get ready for Hell.
It’s about time your doubts should be gone, Let’s start putting those game faces on
Some teams look dangerous for 1 game, over a 7 game series they are all the same
They will play out of their heads for a game or 2, But it’s futile cause their best won’t do
They’ll try for a knockout & we won’t blink, Their Heart & Bravado will slowly sink
They had hoped they could get in a lucky shot, But all they will get is 4 and out.
Floyd Mayweather and Mannie Pacquaio, Aint got nothing on The Lakers “Y’all”
They’ll finally admit as their playoffs end, The Freaking LA Lakers are some Bad, Bad Men

Aloha Michael H,

Sorry that I'm not being clear. I'll try this again.

There have been a couple of articles which have broken down Kobe's high
volume shooting games. The historical fact is that Kobe shoots the ball
~ 20 times per game, which is what Jerry West did & which is what MJ did.

During the championship years, 200-2002, Kobe shot 700 & 749 shots.
With ~ 15 games left this season, Kobe has 618. I'm guessing he's going
to come in ~ 800. During that time, D-Fish has had one of his worst shooting
years with the Lakers at .360. Artest is shooting .414 with .377 from the 3.
Pau is shooting .514, one of his worst ever. Last year he shot .567.

What the article at littlewhitelies said, and backed up with research, was that
when the Lakers are losing Kobe shoots more so that the Lakers win. For
examples, I'd suggest going back and looking at his *SEVEN* buzzer beaters
this year and understand why he *HAD* to take them. In other words, check
the shooting percentages, fouls & rebounds for D-Fish, Artest, Bynum, LO,
J-Farmar, S-Brown, & Pau Gasol. You will find that in at least 80 - 85 % of
the games, we started the 3rd quarter in the hole or went down by close to
10 pts while Kobe was on the bench. He then put on his cape and saved us.
*THAT* was why he referred to the Toronto game as garbage.

You wrote: The key is HOW OFTEN does it happen. Ya Pau will turn it over, he currently turns it over 2.1 times a game he might also find an open man, a cutter or he might kick it back out, so the ball can swing around to the open man. Maybe the guy thats assigned to double Kobe collapse on Pau and Pau kicks it back out to Kobe only now Kobe has space

My response: This year it has happened often. *THAT* is the point. Last
year, no one was complacent. The year before that no one was complacent.
This year the players have *PUBLICLY* admitted to being complacent and
coasting. It has been observable that they were standing around. Compare
their play when Kobe was out on injury to when Kobe was in. Phil Jackson
has said the team hasn't played with a sense of urgency. The players have
said that the team hasn't played hard/well. This has been going on for the
entire season per the words of Phil & the players.

you wrote: And you know what is confusing to me? You said and I quote "per the players they haven't been doing the right thing." Isn't that what Pau was saying? He was talking in terms of team . Then you complimented Blitz on his break down of the last game and yet we played that game exactly the way I have been talking about.

my response: We're talking about two different things. Allow me to clarify.
The players called a team meeting & Kobe cursed everybody out. Phil has
been trying to install a sense of urgency in the team per his words. LO & Pau
have been talking about trying not to coast any more per their words. When
I said that they haven't been doing the right thing I specifically meant: "Cutting,
playing with effort, diving on the floor for loose balls, boxing out". These
are the things that they haven't done for most of the year. This is observable
by looking at games and by listening to the words of the coaches & players.
Bynum has shot the ball 657 times this year. That is 50 times more than
Kobe. Read that again. Bynum has shot the ball 50 times more than Kobe
this year. It is *NOT* that the ball hasn't gone inside. It is that the other
players, besides Kobe, haven't been shooting well, haven't been cutting,
haven't been playing with effort.

Lastly, you wrote: Bottom line our ball movement has been stagnant because we have not been playing the right way, and that is what Pau was talking about.

My response: As I said earlier & so did the articles I posted. Pau's comments
were pointed at Kobe not the team. You are free to think differently. Playing
the *RIGHT* way means that the team gives 100% effort on offense &
defense. The coach & the players have indicated that they haven't been
doing this. You are free to place the blame at Kobe's feet for shooting too
much, but the games don't support you.

I'm going to repeat 1 stat 1 more time. Bynum has taken 50 more shots than
Kobe has this year. Pau has taken one less shot than Kobe has this year. Pau
has missed roughly 1.5 months due to injury and has taken one less shot than
Kobe has this year.

The ball has been going inside. The cutters haven't been cutting. The outside
shooters haven't been making their shots. I don't see how you can make the
argument that Kobe is dominating the ball when the C is taking more shots,
and the PF has one less shot than the SG. Please explain.

Aloha Mike H & other's who will check.

sorry. can't read for jack with out my coffee. confused kobe's FGA with
Kobe's FG. :)

Kobe has 1347 FGA this year and with ~ 15 games to go, at 20 shots per
game, he'll have 1650 shots. Last year he took 1712 shots. The year
before that he took 1690. His shot volume is exactly what it was when
lost to the Celtics in the finals and beat the magic in the Finals.


Time to break out the annual

FO' FO' FO' FO' Bandwagon

Unlike the the 16-0 wagaon, it accepts any combination of
FO' wins times FO'.

If the formula is applied to it's potential, the result is a parade.

*
THE FREAKIN CHAMPION LAKERS 16 – 0 + “FO” “FO” “FO” “FO” – BANDWAGON
** (16 -0 Rest of the Regular season & “FO” “FO” “FO” “FO” for the Playoffs) **
*
*
(01) CORNER-J – OWNER/TROLL GUNNER - We need a "16-0 BANDWAGON". And I'm not just talking about the rest of the regular season...playoffs, baby! Put me down as Troll Patrol Gunner on the Bandwagon.
(02) LAKERTOM – DRIVER
(03) VMAN – RIDING SHOTGUN - Time to break out the annual FO' FO' FO' FO' Bandwagon Unlike the the 16-0 wagaon, it accepts any combination of FO' wins times FO'. If the formula is applied to it's potential, the result is a parade.
(04) #4
(05) MAMBA24 – 16 -0 For the finish of the Regular season & “FO” “FO” “FO” “FO” for the finals


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