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Lamar Odom, despite shoulder injury, displays usual skills in Lakers' victory over San Antonio Spurs

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It's not an issue he wants to talk about, knowing his problem isn't unique to the Lakers and figuring there's no use complaining about it as the team tries to defend its NBA championship. Lakers forward Lamar Odom had actually kept his left shoulder injury undisclosed for 14 games, but then Coach Phil Jackson mentioned it after the Lakers' victory last Friday against the Minnesota Timberwolves.

Odom matter-of-factly explained after Saturday's practice how he expects the shoulder to prevent him at times from scoring and rebounding the ball, but he promised he wouldn't use the injury as an excuse. He didn't take the bait after the Lakers' 99-92 win Sunday over the Washington Wizards. He also didn't take the bait when asked about his injury after Tuesday's practice.

Clearly, Odom will be asked about his injury throughout the rest of the regular season and during the postseason. And if his play during this 16-game stretch serves as any indication, it's that he's not going to hold back his effort in grabbing rebounds, making outside shots, driving to the basket and providing matchup problems. In the Lakers' 92-83 victory Wednesday over the San Antonio Spurs, he recorded his 21st double-double this season with 19 points and 13 rebounds.

There's plenty of things you can break down from the Lakers victory, including how Kobe Bryant responded effectively to double teams and finished with 24 points and six assists, Ron Artest's defensive effort including five steals, Pau Gasol's limiting  Spurs forward Tim Duncan to six points on two of 11 shooting, or the defensive adjustments the Lakers made in limiting San Antonio guard George Hill to one point in the second half after he exploded for 20 first-half points.

But Odom's performance seems the most compelling because of the obstacles he had to fight. Below is a breakdown of how Odom didn't limit his contributions despite his injured left shoulder. 

First quarter, 10:56 - 10:41

After posting up Duncan inside before cutting to the baseline, Spurs forward Richard Jefferson cut the left baseline, Duncan kicked the ball out to Jefferson and then set a screen on Bryant. Jefferson's jumper hit off the front rim. Odom positioned himself slightly toward the right side of the basket, and grabbed the board despite Antonio McDyess' effort to grab it. Odom's angle toward the basket didn't require him to box out, a good thing since it minimized contact on his left shoulder. After Odom cleaned the glass, he led the break and drove the lane past McDyess for the left-handed layup. The basket gave the Lakers a 4-2 lead. 

First quarter, 9:07

After Bryant set a backscreen on Duncan on the left block, Gasol cut through and received an entry pass from Artest on the right side of the paint. Artest initially cut toward the baseline and Jefferson tried to cheat by going backdoor. But Artest turned back and took a dumpoff from Gasol and drove the lane. He met a double team from Jefferson and McDyess, but that left Odom open by the left wing. After Odom received the pass, he took one dribble to back himself up in front of the basket for the left-handed layup, which tied the game at 6-6.

First quarter, 8:30 - 8:20

After Bryant missed a jumper on the left block, Odom grabbed the rebound over Duncan. Odom didn't box out, but it was actually better that he didn't. The ball's elevation appeared to be toward Odom, who was slightly behind Duncan below the circle. Boxing Duncan out would've given him a better angle to get the rebound. Instead, Odom grabbed the board with his right hand, dribbled out to the left corner, and then fed Gasol in the post. Moments later, Gasol squared up in triple threat position over McDyess, who gave him space for the 16-foot jumper. Gasol sank the shot and gave the Lakers an 8-6 lead.

First quarter, 7:37 - 7:33

After Derek Fisher missed a a 26-foot three-pointer, Bryant grabbed the rebound up top. Though the Lakers grabbed the offensive rebound, McDyess didn't get back to paint, leaving Duncan alone inside with Gasol and Odom. Duncan positioned himself down low so Gasol couldn't score off an entry pass, but that left Odom unattended on the left wing. After Bryant fired a pass from the top of the key, Odom slammed the ball home with a left-handed dunk, giving the Lakers a 10-6 lead.

First quarter, 2:54 - 2:45

Spurs forward Matt Bonner drove the right lane past Odom, but he didn't have a good enough angle to make the layup. Odom grabbed the rebound over an inattentive Duncan and Bonner, but fell on the ground doing so. Nonetheless, Odom dribbled his way back up, led the break and then pulled up for an 18-foot jumper at the top of the key. The basket reduced San Antonio's lead to 23-16.

First quarter, :05 - :01

Jefferson tried driving the baseline as time ticked away, but Odom simply took the ball out of Jefferson's hands when he went up for a shot. Odom then went coast-to-coast for the right-handed layup, closing the first quarter with the Lakers trailing 25-22.

Second quarter, 4:56 - 4:39

As Duncan posted up on Gasol on the far end, Odom already started boxing out McDyess. So when Duncan's shot rimmed out, Odom easily grabbed the board. Odom brought the ball up the floor and then posted up Bryant on the right side. He squared up in trouble threat position, jabbed right and then sunk a 20-footer over Hill, reducing the Spurs' lead to 40-34.

Second quarter, 1:24 - 1:13

With Artest on the near corner, Odom initially posted up but then went out to the perimeter as Bryant moved out toward the top of the key. McDyess didn't respond right away, leaving Odom open outside the three-point line. Odom drove left, dribbled between his legs, saw the separation and then drove toward the right side of the basket. He muscled his way in using his left shoulder, injured and all, and made the layup with his left hand, cutting San Antonio's lead to 44-41.

Third quarter, 2:34 - 2:08

Despite meeting a double-team from Artest and Gasol, Duncan attempted a hook shot. Odom grabbed the board and fired an outlet pass to Lakers guard Shannon Brown on the far end. After driving the lane, Brown kicked the ball out to the top of the key where Artest misfired on a three-pointer. But Odom tracked the loose ball almost to the far corner, met a double-team and then passed the ball out on the far side to Brown. He nailed the 25-foot-three pointer, tying the game at 63.

Third quarter, 1:49 - 1:30

Hill drove to the lane, but couldn't score on his layup and Odom was there again to grab the rebound. He ran the break before making a well-placed left-handed bounce pass to Artest, who quickly drove the lane but didn't convert on the layup. Gasol grabbed the rebound and kicked it out to Odom up top. He quickly found Brown left unguarded on the far end, and he drilled his second consecutive three-pointer to give the Lakers a 66-63 lead. It was the team's first lead since holding a 12-10 edge with 6:16 left in the first quarter.

Third quarter, 1:00 - :51

While Artest drove past Jefferson, Odom positioned himself inside over Spurs forward DeJuan Blair. But when Artest was met with a double-team from Bonner, Odom cut outside to the near corner behind the three-point line. Artest brought the ball back out behind the perimeter and then passed to Odom nearby. Though Bonner guarded Odom, he was given enough space to easily knock down the trey to give the Lakers a 69-66 lead. 

What this means

There may be days Odom doesn't have a game like this, and that's to be expected as physical limitations might get the best of him. But what's most impressive about Odom's performance against San Antonio isn't the numbers he produced, but the effort he put forward. His down-to-earth and laid-back personality sometimes overshadows his relentlessness on the floor. The game film shows he's not holding anything back.

The plays described above show that Odom proved instrumental for the Lakers establishing an early first-quarter lead, before San Antonio responded. The plays also reveal he was a critical component in the Lakers' third-quarter run to get them back in the game. The Lakers are fortunate to have offensive options such as Bryant and Gasol and defensive options such as Artest. But Odom will usually be dependable in ensuring that fluidity, even with an injured left shoulder. 

-- Mark Medina

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Art FL Laker Fan,

>>> is there any chance we can get a Lets Go Jordan band wagon

Does the guy still wear Purple & Gold? Does he still get critical minutes? Do we need him to succeed through what is left of the regular season and the playoffs?

Yes. Yes. And yes.

There's hardly a player on the team who at some point(s) in any given game doesn't frustrate us, exasperate us, and have us screaming epithets. People on this blog have even advocated trading Kobe. Yikes!

Farmar is still a young, frisky pup. Anyone who's tried to train a pet (aka man's best friend) understands that sometimes the cage is a teaching tool. It's a tool Phil is not reluctant to use.

The other part of teaching is explaining. I'm glad Jordan sat down with the staff. I'm glad the coaches expressed (probably again) what the team needs him to do. The thing is, when he does what the coaches tell him, he really contributes.

I'll go out on a limb here. Anyone not ready to sign up for a "Lets Go Jordan" band wagon needs to have their credentials as a Laker fan revoked. The guy is a Laker, love him or hate him. The team needs him.

You're already first to jump behind the wheel as the band wagon driver. Sign me up to ride shotgun.

Snake

I see your point but I disagree.. Just because the opposing point guard didn't score directly on dfish doesn't mean dfish is free of blame.. With dfish its his presence alone that impacts opposing point guard play down to the ebb and flow of the game.. There's a reason there's such a strong correlation between strong opposing point guard play and dfish being on the floor.

Firstly, u don't have to expand any energy on defense or play a lick of defense.. Dfish doesn't run without the ball... Dfish doesn't drive.. Dfish has no open court speed.. Dfish basically dribbles the ball upcourt and stands in the perimeter all day and waits for open shots..

Secondly, a big part of the game is mental.. If ur guarding cp3 and he's torching you hoop after hoop it will obviously affect your offensive game.. (See kobe on hill last night 2nd half) The fact dfish doesn't ever score only builds more and more confidence to opposing guards

Thirdly, his lack of footspeed only makes his teammate have to work harder to cover for him... I know there are some players like brooks who farmar and shannon have a hard time guarding but there's a difference between providing at least some resistance to little or no resistance... I have a hard time buying the argument that lakers defense is designed to allow guard penetration therefore dfish is not hurting us.. That's total BS.. Staying in front of ur man is fundamental and always the first line of defense

Lakertruth

Great point bout popovich exploiting that lineup.. Lukes in streetclothes so dfish is his next weakest link.

"There are some inaccuracies in your statement. I've made some corrections:
PAU GASOL is a better center than Andrew Bynum and the Lakers are a better team with PAU at center and LAMAR at his natural power forward position. That is the lineup that made it to back to back finals. That is the lineup that we need to repeat as NBA champions. That is the Lakers lineup that other teams fear the most. "

Laker TRUTH:

*Clap* *Clap* *Clap*

And to the other guy:

"Firstly, u don't have to expand any energy on defense or play a lick of defense.. Dfish doesn't run without the ball... Dfish doesn't drive.. Dfish has no open court speed.. Dfish basically dribbles the ball upcourt and stands in the perimeter all day and waits for open shots.. "

So what happened to John Paxson, Steve Kerr, Ron Harper, and Brian Shaw, or even young Fisher? Sure as well don't fear any of them by your logic but hey all those served as championship PG's!

"Secondly, a big part of the game is mental.. If ur guarding cp3 and he's torching you hoop after hoop it will obviously affect your offensive game.. (See kobe on hill last night 2nd half) The fact dfish doesn't ever score only builds more and more confidence to opposing guards"

So what happens when Kobe leaves his man open and they torch him aka Quentin Richardson? Or Shane Battier in Game 4 of the Houston series? They had Kobe guarding him and hell they do fear his defense but did that stop them from making shots? So that holds no weight.

"Thirdly, his lack of footspeed only makes his teammate have to work harder to cover for him... I know there are some players like brooks who farmar and shannon have a hard time guarding but there's a difference between providing at least some resistance to little or no resistance... I have a hard time buying the argument that lakers defense is designed to allow guard penetration therefore dfish is not hurting us.. That's total BS.. Staying in front of ur man is fundamental and always the first line of defense"

Not when they have crossovers and you can't handcheck (even Stu Lantz said 3 times this season about the handcheck and he's more knowledgeable than either of us). The only way you can effectively guard a person 1 vs 1 is to have very damn good athleticism and defensive minded(no wonder why Kobe/CP3/Lebron/Dwight/KG are annual all defensive team stalwarts). When you don't you better pray your big comes out and helps hedge to allow you to get back into position. Fish is old and has lost it in his step but don't think Jordan and Shannon are THAT much better (younger though and they have more legs). Besides in the 2nd half Kobe was still on Jefferson (whom he did a good job on) and Fish was still on Hill and did he get torched again? No...so don't create fallacies like that ever again.

Mark,


I really liked that post on the scoring milestones Kobe's passing. Very interesting how they're all piled together, like they a had similar expiration date. I think from this point on we'll see just what role Kobe's conditioning and dedecation play in his legacy. He just seems to be running better/lasting longer than many of his contemporaries and I think this is going to give him 5, 6 or more years to build on what he's done so far. Look at who's still in shape and playing well from his draft class:


Iverson, gone. Camby, old but holding strong. Sharif Absomething Rahim, long gone. Stephon, gone. Ray Allen, getting old quick. Antoine Walker, broke and old. Lorenzen Wright, gone. Kittles, Samaki, many years gone. Dampier, hanging on. Todd Fuller, Vatily Potasomething, and Kobe Bryant. Gone, gone, and arguably NBA's best player 6 years running. Peja, broken down. Nash, gnarly still--The only player in this draft with Kobe's fitness. Tony Delk, who? J-Oneal, nice for an old geezer. John Wallace, Walter McCarty, Big Z, Dontae Jons, Roy Rogers (the singer), Ethemos something, D-Fish, M Murasap, and the rest. OK, point is, Kobe's still going strong.


I can't write any more names. You get the point.


And I don't kow if I've seen any player get in shape so dramatically in the season like Artest. He's really skinny.


Wes


VMAN… Thanks for your well written and reasoned response. You make an excellent point about the argument being about the combinations. I understand that there are probably matchup situations where Pau and Lamar at the 4 and 5 give us a bigger advantage than Drew and Pau. However, there are also times when Drew and Pau or even Drew and Lamar will be the better front court combo.
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Phil has always understood how important stability is to the team’s starting lineup. He realizes who plays more minutes and who finishes are more important than who starts. That’s why he won’t bench Drew for Lamar or Fish for anybody. If Fish continues to flounder, we’ll see Phil drastically cut his minutes and finish with Farmar or Brown but he won’t demote Derek to the bench. That’s not Phil.
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So the question is not who should start but who should play the most minutes and finish the game. To me, the answer to that question depends on who is playing the best and what the matchups are. Right now I think we’re seeing why Pau is not the best answer at center. Not only has he been playing soft and hesitant, but he does not matchup well offensively or defensively against physical centers. And right now, the word is out that the way to attack the Lakers is to bash and bully Gasol.
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Actually, I think Phil is making the right decisions. Because of experience and quickness in pick and roll defense, Phil has opted to go with the Gasol/Odom lineup to finish games. I think that is fair and I like Drew being challenged to steal some of those closing minutes. Phil has also shown no hesitancy to give Drew some key minutes when he is playing great and the matchups make sense. By the time Drew returns to play, I unfortunately think we will have seen enough of Pau struggling at center. By the time we start the playoffs, I have a hunch that Drew’s help defense will be closing games.
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The only thing I regret is that part of Drew’s ascendency the last month has been helped by Pau’s poor play. We definitely need to have all of our key players clicking if we want to repeat, especially Pau because he is one of the keys to our running the Triangle Offense more efficiently. He is a better passer than Drew and more confident midrange shooter. Pau dishing and Lamar cutting is the beauty of that combination. I love how Lamar is playing but we need the Pau from last year’s Finals.
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LAKERTRUTH… LOL. I knew you would do that. Of course, right now the best lineup might end up being Drew/Lamar to close games. Unless Pau stiffens up and plays tougher, he’ll be the guy sitting when the games come to an end. The players who are playing best and give us the best matchups should be who closes the game. I trust Phil to make that decision and Drew to force his way in. I just hope it is not because Pau is not playing tough or physical enough. We need all three bigs to shine.
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TOM

I've felt since the start of the season, that LO is the x-factor in the Purple and Gold'd quest to repeat as NBA champs. His multifaceted skillset makes him a matchup nightmare for pratically any opposing team and when he adds the scoring punch he just makes the Lakers virtually unbeatable...just hope he can keep it up right thru the PO.

How ironic that other teams’ defenders have gotten more and more physical with Pau to slow him down. That’s exactly what Ron Artest does to the other team’s small forwards and shooting guards.
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TOM

LAMAR AT POINT? WHY NOT?
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In honor of Lamar’s superb all-around game last night as well as a tribute to his great ball handling and passing ability, I thought I would provide the typical answers plus my responses to that question:
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Answer #1: He wouldn’t be able to defend fast, quick point guards, who would just blow right by him.
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Response #1: First of all, the only way you stop those guys is with team defense. Second, I would bet money that Lamar would do a better job defending opposing point guards than they would trying to defend Lamar in the post. And for those who proclaim there isn’t enough room for Lamar to post up, the Triangle is actually setup so that any player can post up his man if he has the match up advantage.
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Answer #2: He would slow the team up playing at the same time as Drew and Pau.
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Response #2: I don’t see how substituting Lamar Odom for Derek Fisher in the starting lineup does anything but make the team faster and better in transition offensively as well as defensively. Lamar is the key to the Lakers running. His insertion into the starting lineup would turbo-charge the Lakers and make them a much faster, bigger, and longer team. It would be other teams’ worst nightmare.
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Answer #3: Starting Lamar for Fisher would decimate the Lakers bench and leave us vulnerable.
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Response #3: The reality is that benches only win games when starting lineups are not dominate. Our best five players are obviously Kobe, Pau, Drew, Ron, and Lamar. Between them they have the skills to be a dominant lineup that could truly intimidate other teams with their height and length. Bottom line, though. This may be the best answer as to why not Lamar at the point but frankly I never liked the idea of a second unit. I would prefer one or two subs at a time playing with starters. The problems usually only happen when Phil takes out three starters at once.
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Answer #4: Putting Lamar into the starting lineup would ruin the team’s great front court rotation that allows us to cover center and both forward positions with only Drew, Pau, Ron, and Lamar.
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Response #4: On the contrary, if Drew returns in form and Pau gets his mojo back and then Luke returns, Lamar may be the odd man odd and see his minutes really diminish. Frankly, I think Lamar is a real key to our being great and want him on the floor and involved as much as possible. Playing some minutes at the point and even small forward will enable Odom to have a greater impact.
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Answer #5: Phil would never go for experimenting with something crazy like this.
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Response #5: I have inside news from a source so close to the Lakers that I cannot reveal her name at risk of death but my source said that Phil is planning a big surprise for playoff opponents that he plans to spring in the first round of the playoffs. And it has something to do with Lamar Odom and the point guard position and who is going to see some action at the position in the playoffs. I really can’t say any more than that at the present. :-)
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TOM

Lakertom is not a laker fan.

He is an Andrew bynum fan.

It's not paus fault Andrew got hurt.

We dont need to bombarded with the bogus theory that Andrew is a savior.

We will win this championship without his meager contributions or without him completely


Having veterans through our starting 5 not blowing rotations, clogging up the paint, or making rookie mistakes is the strength of our team.


You are a fairy lakertom.

You wanted odom to walk in the off season to guarantee Andrew playing time. What if he had walked? We wouldve been in trouble.

And as for Andrew being better than pau? You delusional son of a gun, pau has played his heart out as of late and has been an interval part of back to back finals appearances so far.

Whoever reads this kids posts is doing themselves a great disservice.

Lakertom = tool or the year

WUTTUP PEEPS!


Whew - finally able to catch up ! OUTSTANDING work MM - keep it coming!

Just rewatched the Spurs game. YEEEE HAWWWW is this team looking fierce! There is nothing like listening to people complaining all year about the team's tendency to cruise, and then actually watching another gear kick in. That was SWEET! And just think - there are still a few more gears to go! Wow - get excited Laker Nation! The team is revving up. Destination: Larry O


Kobefan in Cupertino - I forgot to mention this earlier, but travel safe to India buddy! Get back in time for the playoffs. We need your GHE realism on the chat LOL!


Markg - LOL! That's right! NO MAN calls the fridge. That's Faith's job. Since Chicky Baby can't do it, it's not the same if another guy does it, ya know? So the next best thing is hearing it from our First Lady of Defense.


Time to pack it in..... gotta find the vodka.... or the cheese..... Catch up with y'all tomorrow. Gotta kick some Thunder hiney. (That just sounds so stupid. What a stupid name... Thunder... wonder who thought of that? They should go fly a kite... in the rain.... with the thunder.... like I said - time to call it a day) LOL!

GO LAKERS!!!

Nothing but another title will suffice.

Oh - just gotta add 1 more thing... My absolute favorite play of the game was LO ripping the ball out of Jefferson's hands and going coast to coast for the right-handed layup!! OMG. That was SICK.


Be afraid NBA. We got the Swiss Army Knife on OUR side. And we ain't even BEGUN to talk about the Mamba.... MUAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!

An overabundance of talent...that's my opinion. I think LO should start and have Bynum tear it up w/ the second unit. But then Buss will believe he overpaid for a second unit center. I think the starting 5 is so talented that Bynum gets a bit lost in the flow. But with the second unit he will shine, esp. with Farmar and the more uptempo game they run.e will be highlighted on offense, which will spur him on the defensive end. However, that will never happen now that he's got a starting center contract. A fan can dream, though...

So what happened to John Paxson, Steve Kerr, Ron Harper, and Brian Shaw, or even young Fisher? Sure as well don't fear any of them by your logic but hey all those served as championship PG's!
Posted by: KB Blitz | March 25, 2010 at 05:49 PM

the main point i was trying to make is when dfish's outside shot is NOT falling (which has been the last 2 years) he is just useless out there.. but dont even dare compare the current dfish to paxson and kerr.. that is an insult to those guys.. for all their offensively limitations they shot the ball CONSISTENTLY WELL from the perimeter with remarkably more accuracy... but i'm glad you brought this up cause i went back and checked their stats to prove.. damn jordan had it so much easier... see for yourself below..

(btw harper and shaw dont apply to the argument.. harper was a tall guard not a shooting specialist.. shaw wasnt even a full time starter.. even a young fisher was scrappy, hustled like hell, and was a lot more active)

kerr shooting pcts in their championship years:
1996- 51% FG 52% 3PT
1997- 53% FG 46% 3PT
1998- 45% FG 44% 3PT

paxson shooting pcts in their championship years
1991- 54% 44%
1992- 52% 27%
1993- 45% 46%

dfish
2009 -42% 39%
2010- 37% 35%

its not even close blitz.. i know u got an axe to grind but its getting late.. class dismissed!

hi MM,

im a quitesometime member, prettymuchjusta lurker.
i think this is my first post, ever since you joined on board.

this i what i would like to say to you.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iZtbASCE7ZY

keep it up! =)

qs

Mavericks lost to Blazers tonight!!

So, Mavs, Nuggets and Jazz are all tied up for #2 in the WC, and each of them are 6.5 games behind us. This is both good news and bad news for us.

First lets look at the good: We have 11 games pending, and we can afford to lose SIX of those, and still take the #1 seed (means we can go 5-6 to end the season, and we'll have #1). Isn't that a luxury?? So get that required 5Ws soon, and then limit Kobe, Gasol, Odom and Artest to max 25 min per game, or sit them even for alternate games for the rest of the season.

The Bad: Denver is tied for #2, and they have the toughest schedule for the remaining games. - Road games against Magic, Dallas, OKC and Suns, and home games against Blazers, Lakers and Spurs. Mavericks have the easiest schedule for the rest of the season. Their biggest road opponent from now is Portland (other road games are against Kings, Clippers, Grizzlies and Warriors) Utah has a tougher schedule than Mavs, but certainly better compared to Nuggets. This means, Nuggets who are #2 can fall to #4. If they fall to #4, they would be our 2nd round opponent. Not sure if meeting them so early in the playoffs would be something that Lakers would like....

qs - thanks for the compliment! it definitely means a lot. and glad you wanted to join us. feel free to continue to comment in the future, the more ideas and perspective, the better

wes - glad you enjoyed the kobe post. as he was nearing english's milestone, i couldn't help but think it seems like every four weeks or so kobe surpasses someone on the scoring list. and lo and behold, that has been almost the case.

MM

Guys,

I've been getting a few emails lately saying they've been having trouble posting. So if that's been the case for you lately, I apologize for all this. I'm actually going through a similar problem. Management is well aware of it and is figuring out the root of the problem.

In the meantime, if you're having trouble having your comment saved, try clicking on preview first and then posting. That's worked for me thus far.

Thanks for your patience and I'll keep everyone updated on any developments.

MM

Aloha,

Oh no, the whole start Lamar thing is back. Again, it really doesn't matter. They both play the same amount of minutes, and they both create unique match up problems. We are one of the few teams in the league that is effective playing big or small ball. Opposing teams have to game plan almost 2 different styles. No other team in the league causes these problems. Besides, Lamar tends to be in the game in crunch time anyway. Phil likes to bring Lamar off the bench because he is a stabilizing influence on the 2nd unit and if you notice he really plays point forward with that unit. Phil also likes the 2nd unit to pick up the tempo, again Lamar is better suited then Andrew in an up tempo game. We pound the ball, wear them down and then run. It is a good system.

MH

Snake,
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Fish might not have been guarding Hill for all of his shots, but believe me, Fish was 100% responsible for Hill's sky high confidence level to start the game.
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Posted by: LAKER TRUTH | March 25, 2010 at 04:52 PM
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Your ability to read George Hill's mind is quite admirable. And since I do not possess such clairvoyant skills, I will not be able to dispute that statement.

BTW, what happened to 'his high confidence level' in the second half? If memory serves, Fisher also started the second half.

"(btw harper and shaw dont apply to the argument.. harper was a tall guard not a shooting specialist.. shaw wasnt even a full time starter.. even a young fisher was scrappy, hustled like hell, and was a lot more active)"

But hell Harper shot 39.9% in his first year with the Lakers. Wow doesn't that sound like D. Fish is doing and what was our record then? 67-15 not too shabby ain't it? Hell lets support him more with a 31.1% from the perimeter that year and 26.4% the next.....wow.

I thought you said because teams didn't *fear* Fisher enough that they can conserve it on the offensive end. Well damn teams didn't fear Harper/Shaw back then either!

Tall guard?? What the hell does that mean? What was his job? Just stand there like a pilon? Hell I am less scared of Harper now than I am of a 35 year old Fisher. And he was a shooter in fact he played the mid-range game decent enough to start over young Fisher.

So you say teams aren't *feared* of Fisher yet Harper/Shaw were worst off yet played more minutes than young Fisher at least until the 3rd title and beyond. Do I hear a "I admit I'm wrong" kinda thing?

Hmm you did give Fisher in his prime so much props. I give you credit yellofever I mean much more than Todd would give.

And less active the last 2 years? Did you forget Fish hitting the game tying 3 against Charlotte last year that allowed the game to go to overtime? Or him drawing an offensive foul against CP3 then hits another game tying shot against the Hornets in the waning moments of that game?

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/boxscore;_ylt=AqxuWi7PnLoCxflrpC8Z.NUhPKB4?gid=2009022013

Make no mistake Jordan and Shannon deserves big props against San Antonio and giving points off the bench. Jordan with his energy gave Phil a reason to play him more instead of going back to Fish. Fact remains that while Fish is still playing sub-par.....your arguments about Fish doesn't merit enough weight. It's ok to be wrong you know.....

Class dismissed yellofever.

Preview?

r u talking about practice? can't believe we r talking about practice!

yooooooooooooo

check out NBA.com. there is a headline and large pic with Kobe and DJ and an article. kinda fun. almost reflects the way this blog has it's up and downs.

NOTHING TO FRET ABOUT

Yellofever,

I was reacting specifically to the statement the 'Hill torched E.Fish in the first quarter'. There does not seem to be any factual basis for that claim.

If there are variable definitions to the term 'torched' then there can be no conclusion that would be satisfactory. But you yourself used the term 'he's torching you hoop after hoop'. So if we follow your context and apply the facts of the first quarter, then it implies that Hill did not 'torch' Fisher in the first quarter.

Lekers blog

did u record that yet?

Pj to Kobe: "Kobe Dear UUUUUUUUUUU have to ACTIVATE the ball.

passing, that's a joke and does not work.

just ACTIVATE IT. dear,

how endearing. activate baby, activate. stop FACILITATing

MM, I also had trouble posting: I noticed that if I first click on the "preview post" and then from there I click "post", though, things go well through.

Don't ask me why I feel this is a way to solve a bug, I have no idea, but I suggest anyone to try as well that lil trick.

Hope it works ;)

About Lamar, I have this simple, yet totally powerful, idea about him:

WE WILL REPEAT DEPENDING ON THE WAY LAMAR PLAYS.

If Lamar is the Great Lamar, in playoffs I mean, we will win.

Otherwise, assuming others are at their best, we won't.

I truly believe his impact is THAT important.

His skills are THAT important.

And I know Kobe for sure agrees with me on that.

;)

LO - The Blogs Most Favorite Player and MVP

Nice article about the blogs favorite Laker.
Huh?
How do I proclaim LO the favorite Laker?
Well, I thought about it.

Start with Pau and Drew, look at all the heat they have taken this year, too many complaints to even list them all.

As for Kobe, well, surely we all remember all the ragging he has taken this year, some even hoped he would stay injured or get traded.

And po' Fish, that guy hasn't gotten a break all year for sure.

Ron Ron hasn't been beaten up too badly here, some want Ariza back, some complaints about his bad shooting and slowness afoot, but not too bad. He is probably the second most liked Laker based on the amount of negative comments received.

As for the bench, only Mbenga has been spared big time criticism but how much can you knock a guy who's minutes played can be counted on your fingers, toes not needed.

Ok?

That leaves good ole LO, the blogs least criticized Laker. That being the case my logic says that LO must be the most popular player for the blog.

He is also the most valuable and versatile.

Think about it.
We've won without Kobe this year, won without Pau, won without Drew, won without Ron, and heck, even won without Luke!

LO is the glue that holds this team together and gives them that something extra.

So that settles it, Lamar Odom, the blogs most favorite Laker and the Lakers MVP.
:)


Mark,

Regarding problems posting to the blog, fyi, have same prob here. Also, the blog isnt updating regularly. When you write that a new post will be up in 10 minutes for example, it will often be an hour or two until it shows up even though I refresh and clear the cache.
Another example, yesterday (Thur), the new posts you put up at 8:45, 11:10, 1:45 did not show up on the Laker page for me until 3PM PST. This has happened several times.
Any idea why that might be happening?
Is it just me?
Thanks, keep up the good work.

Kobefan,

you wrote: First lets look at the good: We have 11 games pending, and we can afford to lose SIX of those, and still take the #1 seed (means we can go 5-6 to end the season, and we'll have #1). Isn't that a luxury?? So get that required 5Ws soon, and then limit Kobe, Gasol, Odom and Artest to max 25 min per game, or sit them even for alternate games for the rest of the season.

my response:

1st. Hola

2nd. It's a nice theory, but I don't think we really want to do this. Our success
will be less determined by our fatigue & more determined by our style of
play. When the playoffs start I would like our cutters to cut, the passes be
crisp, the catches be sure & our shots on. You can only develop that type of
rhythm by playing.

Michael H.

Aloha.

Yes, I saw LakerTom cheering for the *TALL* lineup. Again.

M2 M2 M2 M2
OBJECTION TO OFFENSIVE CONTENT:

You are a fairy lakertom.
Posted by: Kids These Days | March 25, 2010 at 08:27 PM

Mark, this is absolutely outside the bounds of the LAT's Terms of Use. It is offensive. It subjects one of this blog's honored residents to a personal attack.

I'm horrified and disappointed that this would be considered and cleared. The Times owes Laker Tom an apology.

I also had trouble posting, which sucks for Mark because I was trying to communicate what a good job Mark Medina was doing.

What do we play for? RINGS!!!!

Lakers Today... Lakers Tomorrow... Lakers Forever.

GO LAKERS!!!!

Zaira,

"I also had trouble posting: I noticed that if I first click on the "preview post" and then from there I click "post", though, things go well through."

Thanks. That works.

What do we play for? RINGS!!!

Lakers Today... Lakers Tomorrow... Lakers Forever.

GO LAKERS!!!

I'm horrified and disappointed that this would be considered and cleared. The Times owes Laker Tom an apology.Posted by: Rick Friedman | March 26, 2010 at 07:44 AM
*
SO SAY ONE, SO SAY WE ALL!!
LET IT BE SAID, LET IT BE WRITTEN, LET IT BE DONE!
KUDOS RICK!!

MAMBA24(LARRY)

T-MINUS 71 AND COUNTING
*
Will you be there when Lakers blitz the postseaon 16 - 0.
Will you be there When "Activate not Facilitate" becomes the series chant.
The NBA WHERE A FACILITATOR BECOMING AN
ACTIVATOR HAPPENS!!
*

*
LET'S GO JORDAN - BANDWAGON
*
(01) ART-FL-LAKERSFAN - OWNER - know this is unlikely, but is there any chance we can get a Lets Go Jordan band wagon or does he still rank down near the bottom of the list on this blog?, I know Jordan has taken a lot of criticism here in this blog, much of it deserved, but I still kinda like the guy and think he has some potential. Maybe he isn't quite right for the Lakers, but I will bet a dollar to a donut if he leaves he will be a starter somewhere. He played a good game last night, hit some big 3's and look who was on the floor in the 4th quarter. I would love to see him make it with the Lakers.
(02) MAMBA24 - DRIVER - We still got face in you JFarm.
(03)
**
*
FAITH & ZAIRA, - LETS HEAR IT FOR THE LADIES, WELCOME BACK – BANDWAGON
Looks like we’re getting the Band back together. Of course the most impressive defense the Lakers have shown is when our Minister of Defense Faith returned. Also Kobe was outstanding due to the magnificent contributions of Zaira & Faith last night. Ladies, The Lakers Blog Salutes you! Kudos!
*
(01) JEANETTE – OWNER - Welcome back Zaira. Got to admire your dedication to the Lakers. I follow the game chat, although I do not participate. It was beautiful to see you and Faith on the game chat. It's an all star.
(02) LAKERTOM – DRIVER - ZAIRA… I have to agree with Jolly Rancher. It’s good to see our princess outside the Live Blog for a change. We must be approaching the playoffs. LOL! Now where is our Ministress of Defense?
(03) FEARLESS – RIDING SHOTGUN - To beat them this way on their homepitch just sounds good and put things in a nice perspective."@Zaira What a great way to put it. As is known by all in attendance, it is Zaira's words that move me the most in this forum. There are many others here who vie for second place on that list.
(04) # 4 - You know I'm down with the Laker ladies bandwagon....A ladies perspective of Laker basketball is always very, very interesting. I'll go ahead and say its a damn aphrodisiac....one of the major reasons why Mrs. #4 is Mrs #4 today.
(05) JOLLY RANCHER – SECURITY - Is that a real live Zaira sighting??!! A good win and Zaira too: Now it feels like things are coming back together.
(06) MAMBA24 – It looks like we’re getting the Band back together. Of course the most impressive defense the Lakers have shown is when our Minister of Defense Faith returns. Also mamba was outstanding due to the magnificent contributions of Zaira & Faith last night. Ladies, The Lakers Blog Salutes you Kudos!
(07) MARK G. - Def Welcome back Zaira and Faith! No one likes a dude ranch. I didn't actually know Faith was missing, she's always on the live chats. I know this because Justa won't let me call games when she's around. Actually Justa won't let me call the games even she's not around. Hey, what's up with that?
(08)

RICK… “I'm horrified and disappointed that this would be considered and cleared. The Times owes Laker Tom an apology.” LOL. Thanks for the support Rick. As a close gay friend of mine once pointed out, there is nothing wrong with being called a “fairy” since fairies are wondrous and magical creatures, although there is a distant connection to things Celtic, which does then take the term into the offensive. Bottom line, I was OK with the comments. That was the first time anybody has called me a kid in 30 years. I fully expect to be carded the next time I buy some booze. :-)
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
TOM

1st. Hola
2nd. It's a nice theory, but I don't think we really want to do this. Our success
will be less determined by our fatigue & more determined by our style of
play. When the playoffs start I would like our cutters to cut, the passes be
crisp, the catches be sure & our shots on. You can only develop that type of
rhythm by playing.
Michael H.
Aloha.
Yes, I saw LakerTom cheering for the *TALL* lineup. Again.
Posted by: hobbitmage | March 26, 2010 at 07:23 AM


hobbitmage,

First, how goes it?
Second, you make a good point about whether tis better to rest or play to become better in sync.

I have mixed feelings on that. The rest is sorely :) needed.
Also, we are playing some tough teams here for a few games and this is most definitely the time to work on those things you mentioned.

But then, in our last 4 games only Portland is maybe an important game. That could give some guys a nice break. Does it really matter how we do against the Wolves, Clips and Kings? That would give us 7 more games to get in sync and clinch the best record and also maybe give the bench some big minutes.

What I suspect is the starters will probably play every game but limited minutes near the end.


LakerTom is fairy, it means he's always fair. lol! Our connotation of fairy is about kid's guardian angel like the tooth fairy but to this poster, the "y" there represents the person like the author Chaucer in his Canterbury Tales. (oops, it became worst!)

Laker Tom - I honestly didn't know that term was offensive so I apologize. But it sounds like you're fine with it, so no harm/no foul?

MM

Will you be there When "Activate not Facilitate" becomes the series chant.
*Posted by: MAMBA24 | March 26, 2010 at 08:53 AM


Now wouldn't that be just so cool, hearing Staples Center start the chant,
Activate
Activate
Activate

That would be even better than MVP, MVP...

Mamba, are you a Battlestar Gallactica fan?


MM… Well, I would like the free throws. LOL. JK. I appreciate Rick’s and your concern but it’s no big deal.
I’ve been called far worse and I am still here so don’t worry about it.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
TOM

Mamba, are you a Battlestar Gallactica fan?
Posted by: Art - FL Laker Fan | March 26, 2010 at 10:26 AM

Art don't bust me out. Only you and a select few secretly know I'm a Cylon planted on the Lakers Blog. Lol. Yeah bro, I'm a fan. In fact i just ordered the bootleg copy of the entire series for 29.99. Starbuck was Hot, hot, hot! Lol!
Mamba24

Good that my trick helped, JonK ;)

I work like a kid: when something doesn't work, I try every available button to click- generally bug in systems are kids as well, and get fooled as easily as they fool others sometimes ;)

Game tonight is at a very nice time over here: 1 AM.
It's good.

The bad side is that it will be broadcasted on Sportitalia.

I expect all kind of lame interventions over there.

So I hope chat will be taken over any sound coming from the tv ;)

Later...

(LakerTom: whomever contests your true huge passion for the Lakers just doesn't has any. As simple as that. One thing is to argue with you about preferences. Another is to question where your heart stays. We do know you bleed in purple&gold. Hugs :))

Mamba,

You see Starbuck now on 24, she's a real bad dudette.
Certainly then you have checked out Caprica.
Talk about hot, (Zoe).
Your secret is safe.

Edwin,

Wow!! That will be the day when lukes contract ends.. My mouth is salivating just hearing about it... That year will be 2013 or the year of the snake or the year ironically that our black mamba might retire

So mark your calendars people april of 2013 when lukes contract will officially end... It will be the start of a new lukeless era. It will be the biggest laker bash and celebration of the century!!

And as for our great blitz...yes I agree blitz is quite the historian buff and I'm always enchanted with his endless knowledge of stats... So I better proceed with caution when entering "The blitz twighlight zone".. a mysterious world where there are no boundaries no rules no logic.. Just a lot of he said she said nonstop arguing.. Haha... J/k bliz no disrespect intended... Ur the man!!



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