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Lakers' Kobe Bryant attributes luck, others credit talent for team going two years without a three-game losing streak

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It had been a statistic the Lakers didn't particularly attach much significance to, other than confirming their own dominance. It was also something that was often regurgitated when mentioning the impact Lakers forward Pau Gasol had on the team since the Lakers acquired him Feb. 2008 in a trade from Memphis. That milestone involved the Lakers managing to avoid a three-game losing streak for just over two years, a feat that the Lakers snapped Sunday in a 96-94 loss to Orlando, capping off a winless three-game trip.

So it was only fitting to get a read on what enabled the Lakers (46-18) to bounce back so quickly after consecutive losses. 

"A lot of luck," Lakers guard Kobe Bryant said. "I mean if my toe wasn't on the line, we might have won that game."

Bryant's statement referred to the shot he made with 12.9 seconds to play against Orlando. Referees initially signaled it a three-pointer, but replays showed Bryant's foot was on the line. That turned a tie score into a 95-94 Lakers deficit. His 20-foot shot with 1.2 seconds remaining fell short, capping the third game of the season Bryant's game winner didn't go in. That's not really an indictment on Bryant considering his six-game winners this season. Nonetheless, a potential game winner also fell short Jan. 24 in a 106-105 loss to Toronto, which visits the Lakers tonight at Staples Center. If a similar scenario plays out Tuesday, it would mark the first time since April 2007 that the Lakers would lose four consecutive games. 

Though it's been well understood the Lakers' winless three-game trip left a lot to be desired, two of their losses were really decided by one basket. Had Bryant's potential game-winning shots gone in against Miami and Orlando, the Lakers certainly would be singing a different tune. The Lakers' litany of issues would still remain, but there'd likely not be as much conversation regarding their offensive lapses, though that still would be a legitimate concern even if Bryant's shots had been successful.

That's why to some degree, the streak should be scrutinized carefully. Ball Don't Lie's Kelly Dwyer wrote this really wasn't much of a streak for the Lakers to celebrate, noting, "So, clearly, this is the three-game losing streak that isn't. Or, probably, it's the three-game losing streak that really doesn't mean a whole hell of a lot. There wasn't anything the Lakers were doing in this streak that they haven't been doing all season. For better and for worse." ESPN Los Angeles' Andy Kamenetzky seconds that notion saying, "The 'Pau era' streak met its end not because the Lakers suddenly became more vulnerable, but rather because they could no longer outrun mounting, unsolved issues."

That was certainly the case during the 2007-2008 season, where the Lakers rebounded from consecutive losses into single digit wins March 18 against Dallas (102-100), March 30 against Washington (126-120 in overtime), showing the margin of defeat and victory is often highly disproportional to the outcome's significance. Those results played out in similar fashion in the playoffs with victories in Game 5 of the Western Conference semifinals against Utah (111-104) and Game 3 of the NBA Finals against Boston (87-81).

But this streak wasn't just a case study in how the Lakers closed out games. There were also several incidents showcasing the Lakers responding in dominating fashion to avoid a third consecutive loss. 

On Jan. 10, Lakers Coach Phil Jackson stood among the gathered media and spoke about the team's two-game losing streak to the Clippers and Portland Trail Blazers. Fittingly, one of those questions involved the team's ability to avoid three consecutive losses and if Jackson has ever brought up that topic internally with the team. Afterall, Jackson's teams have only lost four or more consecutive games 10 times in seven different seasons, none of which were part of his 10 championship teams, including six with the Chicago Bulls and four with the Lakers.

He downplayed the talk about streaks, but he still acknowledged a second consecutive loss has often spurred more urgency."Every loss is a big deal to us," Jackson said. "We don’t talk about numbers. One loss, stop the bleeding. Two, we have to make a definite stand here."

The Lakers performances showed that to be the case that night in a 95-77 win Jan. 10 against Milwaukee, which served as just one example of the Lakers playing much different after two consecutive losses.

Before the Lakers' current three-game slide, they had only lost two consecutive games two separate times this season. And the Lakers responded the third game in convincing fashion. After losing to Denver (105-79) and Houston (101-91), the Lakers rebounded with a convincing 106-93 victory Nov. 17 over Detroit, made possible because of Bryant's 40 points on 17 of 29 shooting and a 20-4 third-quarter run. The Lakers responded to losses against the Clippers (102-91) and Trail Blazers (107-98) with a unexciting 95-77 victory Jan. 10 against the Milwaukee Bucks, an outcome that featured Andrew Bynum's third consecutive double double and a strong bench make up for Bryant's bad shooting night and Ron Artest's ineffectiveness.

"The quality and depth of our team has often allowed us to bounce back after two losses or a loss," Gasol said. "It was our desire to be the best team out there and not allow us to lose games in a row."

The Lakers followed the same trend during the 2008-09 season. After losses to Miami (89-87) and Orlando (106-103), the Lakers answered with a 105-96 victory Dec. 22 against Memphis, which featured four of the five starters shooting at least 50%. A similar scenario happened Jan. 19 when the Lakers beat Cleveland (105-88) after dropping games against San Antonio (112-111) and Orlando (109-103). Against the Cavs, the Lakers supporting cast included Bryant (20 points, six rebounds and 12 assists despite a dislocated ring finger on his shooting hand), Gasol (22 points, 12 rebounds), Bynum (14), Sasha Vujacic (14) and Derek Fisher (11). There was another rebound game Feb. 3 against Memphis (99-89), after the Lakers were embarrassed by Denver (90-79) and Phoenix (118-111).

Said Fisher: "More nights than not were going to be the best basketball team on the floor."

"We've really been an offensive powerhouse," Jackson added. "Our ability to beat teams - a lot of that just has been the offensive capabilities of our players to come back and have a good night if they didn't shoot the ball well or things didn't go well on a particular night. We had really good basketball teams." 

That was certainly the case in the Lakers' 104-98 victory April 1 against Milwaukee, with Bryant rebounding from bad shooting performances in previous losses to Charlotte (94-84) and Atlanta (86-76).

And as for the rest of the season, Jackson, Bryant, Gasol and Fisher each answered my question within that context, showing they're rightfully thinking about how they can try replicating that same consistency moving forward. 

Jackson highlighted the execution that helped minimize losing streaks the past two years wasn't present in the team's winless three-game trip. Bryant mentioned how many of the Lakers' close games could've gone the other way had they sharpened their play down the stretch. Gasol talked about "trusting ourselves and being positive minded." Fisher brought up the team's recent inefficiency had left them "vulnerable", leading him to think that if the team makes the necessary corrections, "we feel like we can get to where we need to be in terms of closing out the regular season and getting ready for postseason play."

The Lakers can make that first step tonight against Toronto. They can also start building a new streak, even if that's not the team's primary concern.  

--Mark Medina

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Photo: Lakers power forward Pau Gasol tries to take a shot between Orlando center Dwight Howard (12) and forward Rashard Lewis (9) in the second half Sunday. Credit: John Raoux/Associated Press.

 
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Kobe is destroying this great Lakers team again like he and Shaq did the last time. He never learned anything from it.


This time he is the old dog that has to go.

With so many people unhappy with Kobe at this time maybe he should pull what he did in the Phoenix series a couple of years ago and don't try to score in the game to prove his point. Tell me it hasn't crossed his mind with players complaining about ball movement. He knows they are referring to him.


BD

MM - if you're going to count every shot that gives the Lakers the lead for good as a "game winner", then Kobe's missed them more than 3 times this year.

The 3-pointer with 25 seconds left in regulation at OKC that could have won the game.

The 2-pointer with 47 seconds left in overtime against Houston that could have won the game.

The 2-pointer at the buzzer in regulation against the Bucks that would have won the game.

The 3-pointer at the buzzer against the Raptors that would have won the game (not to mention both of the shots he missed in the seconds before that).

That doesn't count the multiple game-tying shots he's missed, or the offensive foul against Miami that kept him from even putting up a potential game-winner. Who knows, maybe that 3-pointer he missed against Memphis with 52 seconds would have been a game-winner if he had made it. That's the problem with your insistence on declare any "lead for good" shot a game-winner no matter how long from the end of the game it was. If you're going to call the Dallas shot a game-winner when there was still half a minute left on the game clock, then why not stretch it back a full minute? Your strategy lets you count all the ones that do go in while ignoring the ones that don't, because then the team just fouls and tries again.

well, no time like the present to start a new streak! i hope someone on lakers contacted austin powers, because we've lost our "mojo" and need to get it back! tonight against toronto would be a good start. besides, it's time for a little payback against the raptors, since we lost to them 106 - 105 in late january, despite the fact that kobe, gasol and bynum were all over 20 pts in that game. it took a bad call against gasol in the closing seconds of the game, to give turkolu 2 f.t's. kobe shot rimmed out with 1.2 second left. let's kick some raptors a**!

PJ's streak is much more impressive than the Lakers' streak. No four-game loosing streaks in any of his 10 championship years? That means that he has been able to somehow convey urgency and execution to a large group of grown men for a long period of time.

People disparage the man, but his tacktics obviously work.

--FEARless

BD - no Laker fan could possibly be rooting for one of their players to tank a game. Do your loyalties lie with Kobe or the team?

LA Guy,

Your points about when to cut it off is good. You should (as everyone should) make your mark in the sand and count from there. No matter when you count, you will find that Kobe has been inhuman in that regard this season. Every great player has had an insane statistic for one season. It is not unusual, and pointing it out doesn't make the player any less great. Circumstances are what they are.

By Marks' count, Kobe is 6 of 9. That's pretty insane. Like I mentioned on a previous post, that makes last second shots LA's most potent offensive weapon this season. By far.

It even eclipses Pau. Who should just, "shut up and play hard ball"

Make up your own criteria, count them up. And let us see your results. If you are fair, no one can say that you are wrong.

--FEARless

BTW, if the Lakers continue executing well in 2 out of every 3 late game situations, that bodes very well for another title run. I'll take that.

One last thing:

Two out of three might not be very good in the regular season (as this current stretch of games is a sure indicator of), but two out of three in the post season = championship.

--FEARless

hey BD, i'm kind of in your corner on that. i'd love to see a repeat of kobe not shooting at all like he did against phoenix a few years ago in the playoffs. in fact, maybe he could do it against the suns this coming friday in phoenix. to me, it's not the fact kobe doesn't take a lot of shots, because he does. some people say it disrupts the flow of the triangle offense. i don't believe it does. kobe continuously gives his teammates great opportunities to score, THEY JUST CAN"T KNOCK "EM DOWN. who was the leading assist man the other day against orlando, KOBE was with 7.....to go along with 7 reb and 3 steals. MEMO to kobe's teammates. your going to get open shots when kobe is double teamed, MAKE THE SHOTS! artest is 3 for 19 in his last two games. sounds like to me, kobe teammates should be called "the gang that can't shoot straight"! quit your whining and get open, knock down your shots, rebound and play some defense AND it will be ALL GOOD!

Oh yeah, FEARless, I agree that Kobe's been insane this year at the end of games. By my count he's 5-9 (counting both game-tying and game-winning shots). I only count shots in the last 24 seconds that can win or tie the game. Part of the reason I do that is because that's a real dividing line - if you miss, the other team can run the clock out or play for the final shot, so you can't get another shot without fouling. That's why it's silly to count shots with half a minute left, because all you have to do is play good D and you'll get another shot. But you have to have some real line, otherwise you can ignore all the misses and the stat gets skewed.

(p.s. - I also like using the final 24 seconds because that's what 82games.com uses and I can steal their info.)

Kobe would average 2 more assists per game if Fisher can be just an "average" shooter

p.s. - some other great game-winning shot years from recent history:

08/09: Danny Granger 5/7, Brandon Roy 4/7

07/08: Travis Outlaw 5/5!!!

06/07: Rashard Lewis 5/7

05/06: Carmelo Anthony 7/10!!!, Pau Gasol 6/9, Derrick Fisher 4/6

04/05: Allen Iverson 5/7, Steve Francis 5/8, PJ Brown 4/6, Ben Gordon 4/7, Damon Jones 4/7

03/04: Jalen Rose 4/4, Amare Stoudamire 5/9, Yao Ming 4/7


So Kobe's numbers are certainly great, and much better than he'd been doing the previous 5 years, but they're in the same realm as the typical best last-second shooter each year. This year is finally Kobe's year to be that guy.

Guys
Fisher needs to go before anyone else. He's the "old dog"

Sorry this is from the last blog entry but I have a bone to pick with this statement...mostly because I totally had a dejavu moment when I read it...
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Good thing that 82games.com keeps statistics for "clutch" situations - any time the game is within 5 points and there are less than 5 minutes left. How does Kobe do in clutch situations?

Kobe: 43% fg, 90% ft
per 48 minutes: 48 points, 4 assists
team outcome: +28, 12-8 record in games that went down to the clutch

Lebron: 49% fg, 82% ft
per 48 minutes: 65 points, 7 assists
team outcome: +75, 24-8 record in games that went down to the clutch


82games.com also has rebounding stats, shot-blocking stats, and hands stats for clutch situations. Lebron beats Kobe by a mile in all of them.

Posted by: LA Guy | March 09, 2010 at 01:40 PM
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LA Guy...you claim that others cherry pick stats, well I'm sorry to have to break this to you but that stat you just quoted...the one about Lebron being better in the clutch is the most cherry picked stat on 82games.com. I am sure you did not notice when 82games started keeping track of that stat? Well its ok because I can tell you.
82games started tracking that stat 7 years ago. You know whats also odd about that number? Thats also the number of years Lebron has been in the league.

So they are comparing 7 years of Kobe's career to Lebron's total so far. Are we to beleive that the prior to Lebron entering the NBA Kobe didn't have any clutch moments? That those other 7 years of Kobe's career are to be dismissed because Lebron wasn't in the league? I think not.

It's like saying Deacon Jones wasn't the most feared Linebacker to ever play in the NFL because the "Sack" stat didn't exist.

So Mr. LA Guy I leave you with this statement

"There are lies, damned lies and Statistics"
-Mark Twain

Lakeshow - Kobe's fg% has been lower than his teammates' fg% for six consecutive years. So are you really sure that it's his teammates who aren't knocking shots down?

Lakeshow - Kobe's fg% has been lower than his teammates' fg% for six consecutive years. So are you really sure that it's his teammates who aren't knocking shots down?

Kobe is destroying this great Lakers team again like he and Shaq did the last time. He never learned anything from it.


This time he is the old dog that has to go.


Posted by: Staples 24 | March 09, 2010 at 02:35 PM

Yeah if destruction means 3 rings with Shaq, one without him. That's a interesting perspective.


Wes

CENSOR OURSELVES…
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One of my personal favorite movies is The American President with Michael Douglas and the incomparable Annette Bening. There is a great scene where Michael Douglas as president chastises a political opponent in the Senate in a passionate speech where he declares that being an American and believing in free speech is tough because it requires you to stand by and watch others disparage and disrespect everything that you have stood for and believed in. In many ways, the same could be said about being an LA Times Lakers bloggers.
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Edwin quoted Dr. Martin Luther King in one of his recent excellent comments about the ongoing censorship issue. “In the End, we will remember not the words of our enemies, but the silence of our friends." What Dr. King is talking about is the perfidious act of turning away and allowing injustice to occur rather than speaking out and being heard. Bottom line, we have to police ourselves if we are the vibrant wonderful virtual community we claim to be. We can’t rely on MM or the LA Times to do it. We know what’s fair and what’s objectionable. We just need to speak out – as we usually do – and make sure the balance is maintained.
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As for anonymity, I prefer transparency. I think it was phred who brought up the subject of enjoying posts from bloggers who allow their real personality come through in their posts. Not everyone wears their heart on their sleeve like I or Jon K do but I think on the whole most of the bloggers on this blog post and speak from the heart. We talk about the bond that makes players come to the defense of their teammates but let’s not forget the bond between bloggers that should make them come to the defense of their blogmates. There is nothing that breeds love and loyalty more than having your friends have your back. That’s what counts.
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Phred is also right that the quality control is the real issue rather than censorship. One thing you get as a long-time poster on the blog is the perspective to see different waves of bloggers and trolls roll in and roll out. The newbies often disrespect the long-timers but in the end we are the one constant that keeps the flame alive through endless seasons and off-seasons. So if you love this blog like we do, then stay the course and speak out for civility and courtesy. We have no one to blame but ourselves if we allow naysayers and trolls to hi-jack the blog.
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Blame Kobe? You must be kidding. It's not like he instructs the other four Lakers on the floor to stand around, listless, less engaged than paying spectators.

Kobe shows up, ready to entertain the paying customers and make something happen. He doesn't show up ready to entertain the other four Lakers on the floor. It's up to them to get in the game and earn their money.

I can't count the number of times Pau's "Kwame hands" couldn't hold onto the ball or the number of times Andrew simply wasn't ready. Fish keeps attempting shots he can't make. Lamar keeps looking for anybody he can pass the ball to, rather than take the shot.

The number of assists is down. The number of rebounds is down. The number of turnovers is up. The team keeps getting out-hustled. Mental mistakes keep accumulating.

Live in the real world. The team has lost its mojo. The clock is ticking towards the playoffs and the Lakers kid themselves that they can turn it on when they need to.

I'm not saying that we fans should panic. None of us wear a purple & gold uniform. Only the guys on the active roster can change the dynamic. What are they waiting for?

LA Guy,

you wrote this to BD: no Laker fan could possibly be rooting for one of their players to tank a game. Do your loyalties lie with Kobe or the team?

my response: Kobe & "the team" seem to see things from two different point
of views.

"The team" [ pau & D-Fish & staples24 & other bloggers ] says - Kobe hasn't
been passing the ball enough and he's killing the offense. My issue with this
pt. of view is that when I go and look at their stats I see Bynum 1-5, Artest 2-9,
D-Fish 3-10 etc. I would be much more inclined to agree with them if they
said either of these two things.

A. We haven't hit our shots, but we will.
B. We know that we've been slackers, but we're ready to stop.

Kobe [ & some fans ] say: Kobe's teammates haven't been able to buy a shot
at 7-11 & They've been coasting the entire year while Kobe has played hurt.

Watching Kobe not shoot while Artest is 2-9, D-Fish is 3-10 & Bynum is 1-5
would highlight this point that gets lost by those who "hate" on Kobe.

After listening to Pau & D-Fish throw Kobe under the bus, it would be nice
to watch Kobe return the favor. My feeling is: you don't piss on the hardest
worker on the court.

Jeanette WROTE:

"TRUST just like RESPECT is earned and not given. STOP this CRAP."

Posted by: Jeanette | March 09, 2010 at 12:11 PM
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bronxlakerfan WROTE:

"I'm tired of hearing about Kobe trusting his teammates. How about his teammates trusting themselves? How about some of those teammates concentrating and burying a wide open shot? PJ alluded to the fact that teams are slacking off Artest. As a ballplayer, you have got to feel INSULTED when a team decides you are a weak link and that they can afford to leave you open. You've got to step and bury those open shots. That's the way the game is played."

Posted by: bronxlakerfan | March 09, 2010 at 12:24 PM
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I'll guarantee you this: if any other Laker player starts to become selfish and vocal and stubborn and more assertive than Kobe, and starts jacking up 20 to 30 shots a game...

...do you know what's going to happen?

There are alot of posts by the same one or two users posting under 4-5 names.

These individuals represent the clowns of our society, percentage point to percentage point.

It is possible that they are Cleveland fans or folks who fear and hate Kobe because of his sexual assault case. There may indeed also be many racists posting these comments trying to appease their inner primitive, divisive nature on this blog because they're capacity to do so in our greater society is stifled.

Coming on this blog and seeing this children posting these insane remarks, over and over, again and again has chased away the greatest and best contributers this blog has seen. Even normal posters have been posting at a much lower clip due to these low-frequency spiritual beings.

What should we do?

Nothing.

They are making their beds.

They will sleep in them soon.

The Lakers reeling has much more to do with bookies in Vegas than coaching or player personnel. Let me explain to my fellow Laker souls of higher frequencies:

1. - The Lakers came into this season with a 6/5 opening season spread to win the Championships. An unbelievable amount of money was placed on that line by Vegas big shots and the real money movers in the industry, and almost all the money was placed on LA. Many folks have bet in excess of 10, 50, and in some cases, 100 grand in their belief that LA will take the crown. Their payout when the Lakers win will essentially pay them a dollar on the dollar.

The bookies had to respond.

2. - As such, the regular season had become the battle ground for public perception. Anything you hear from most columnists, major outlets like ESPN, NBA.com, etc,.. can all be contributed to major influence by the Gambling wing in our society.

Essentially, the objective this season was to make as much money off the Laker action as possible. You can see that in most, to every big, nationally televised game, the Lakers have absolutely and unequivocally lost against the spread. Almost every single time.

It's almost child's play to the trained observer.

Essentially, the bookies are trying to scorn the Lakers chances of winning the championship in public perception in order to create higher and more bets for opposing teams come playoff time. You can see the Nuggets early wins and the way those games were officiated as a indicator. The initial Christmas game against Cleveland was a big-win for the booksters, as was the later battle between the two teams.

What is the real reason the Lakers went 4-1 in Kobe's absence? And also went at an unbelievable 5-0 against the spread at that time? Was it really because the team played harder without Kobe? Because Pau is a better leader and everyone rallied around him? Because everyone hates Kobe and...?

Absolutely not. The answer is much simpler. The games were quintessentially officiated differently. And that was the unequivocal difference maker.

3. - When folks question Phil Jackson and his rotations during the regular season, it makes folks like myself, KAJ, Magic, Michael, Scottie, Jerry Buss, every bookie and Vegas and every other informed observer chuckle.

It is amazing how much conviction the ignorant masses have when speaking on a topic they live in a fantasy realm regarding.

Phil is one of the few coaches who knows what the system is, how the refereeing functions, and the 'ebbs and flows' of the regular season works. He never gets up, never gets down, never breaks a sweat. He let's the chips fall where they may, and enacts his vicious and shrewd tactics when it matters the most -- playoff time. Essentially doing the only thing a savvy championship coach can possible do under the circumstances.

4. - Kobe's shot selection is really an issue for the children on this blog. The debate is intriguing. Yet it is easily one deconstructed and ripped apart with one simple truism: if he got to the free-throw line more, he would, instead of shooting 12-30 for 37 points, be 12-25 with 49 points. Sound familiar? Yes, that former is a consistent regular season line for Kobe. The latter being a consistent line in a playoff game. What's the difference? In the playoffs, if the zebra's don't blow that whistle, the behind the scenes war begins almost immediately.

There are few better than Jerry, Jeannie, Mitch and Phil and handling the Stern, the Zebras, and the bookies come playoff time.

There are few front offices more deadly in the NBA front office war than the above mentioned.

That's why come playoff time Kobe will consistently have stellar games with 10 - 14 free throws compared to 2-4 in a prime time ABC game. The first and second game against the Cavaliers being prime examples.

Are you kidding me?

Not really.

The bookies have infiltrated every aspect of this game, essentially, and basketball is in between a rock and a hard place. In between the WWF and the Olympic Skating Committee.

I'd go on but don't have time.

I would like a response from the following as I respect the mentioned and am interested in their responses:

Jon K.
Edwin Gueco
Hobbit
Ouch
Phred
LakerTom
Zaira
JustAnotherLakerFan
Mamba24
Mark Medina

Thank you all.

Love and respect.


Spell check omitted,

The Moderator

LA Guy,

you wrote: Kobe's fg% has been lower than his teammates' fg% for six consecutive years. So are you really sure that it's his teammates who aren't knocking shots down?

my response: 2006-2007 Smush Parker shot .436 2006-2007 Kobe shot .463.

So. Yes, I'm sure that his teammates aren't knocking down shots.

Btw, I found this an interesting stat. I did check on some others. Do you
*REALLY* want to compare Kobe to Aaron McKie, Kwame Brown,
Stanislav Medevenko & Chris Mihm?

You should really look at that quote by Mark Twain again.

Moderator - Regarding people who supposedly sign in using different names isn't possible. The system we have tracks IP addresses so it'll notice duplicate posts or multiple screen names in hopes that the integrity of the blog is maintained. I will no doubt acknowledge that media companies want to profit as much as possible off the sports they cover, but that doesn't mean that ABC is entrenched in ensuring the Lakers win the title. The media is interested in intriguing stories so that can involve big market teams, interesting storylines, etc. That being said, no network is working behind the scenes to ensure a team's success.

MM

Why do you Laker fans focus so much on the closer statistic?

This stat didn't even exist years ago and certain players around the league still found ways to close games and win.

The only thing the closer statistic does is give players like KOBE and DWAYNE and LEBRON a reason to deliberately practice this part of their game in order to improve their percentage on it.

Otherwise, these kinds of players would never focus on improving this statistic, because their focus would only be to win close games that come down to the last few seconds.

Here's another thing:

When you create a new statistic, like the closer statistic, players become aware OF IT, and deliberately work on improving that statistic when it comes to that point in the game.

The end of game attitude then shifts from winning the game IN WHATEVER WAY POSSIBLE to winning the game AND IMPROVING MY CLOSER STATISTIC IN THE PROCESS.

It's a biased statistic. Because this is where the players who think of themselves better than their teammates --- this is where they hog possession.

The Moderator --- Are you Tim Donaghy

L.A Guy,

Do you really focus just on statistics? Do you ever consider the system a team plays, the style and position of a player? Bynum shoots at a 57% clip and is clearly a better shooter then Labron or Kobe....from 3 feet in.

You can not compare the two just with statistics. Labron is the focus of the Cav's offense. He is basically their point guard and the offense runs through him. The triangle offense is a motion offense and the assists come from all 5 players. Kobe handles the ball more then the others but he does not have the ball in his hands nearly as much as Labron.

As far as shooting is concerned a big part of Labrons game is taking smaller players into the paint and muscling them for easy baskets. Kobe scores a lot in the paint as well but his is still jump shots , that revolves around his foot work. So again it is no surprise that Labron has a higher %.

The problem with this team is not shooting % We score a lot of points with our bigs and others inside. Our problem is shooting the long ball. We are not stretching the floor and other teams are collapsing the paint and making it difficult for our bigs to score. It is just impossible to look at a stat sheet and draw conclusions with considering the other variables.

MH

playing toronto. unavoidable memory 81,81, 81.

and a few weeks ago, during the game in TOROTO i decided to take notes regarding Kobe's plays and all the TOUCHES the team had but never turned them in points. i will never do this again. i'm not interested to validate Kobe's play because i KNOW that is the best ever. call me a kobe homer. i will wear it with pride.

after the cleveland loss it was NY and regardless of the win, many kobe haters started to penetrate the blog. blocked. take the weak "thing" out of here. :-)

at the beginning of the 1st quarter i had the idea to take notes on every play ONLY when kobe touched the ball. after a few minutes (i do not have a DVR so i did it during the game) i decided that it will be more objective IF i mark also the time of the game. i do type with a few fingers so maybe it is 10th or 100 off not looking instantaneously at the screen. i believe also i covered 95-98% of the action.

i will title this:

HOW PAU GASOL AND THE team ROBBED KOBE OF A TRIPLE DOUBLE

4 different post for each qt. to make it easier for you to read. please add "Kobe" or "Kobe to" in front of each line. when there r 2-3 names, means kobe to gasol to artest and so on . if it is not clear i will be happy to clarify it.

so lets see how the selfish ball hog stops the development and the FLOW of the TEAM. :-)

here we go:

1st Q. (started taking notes @ 10:00 mark)

kobe to:

fisher-missed 3
bynum-blocked by Turk
artest-missed 3
7:36 gasol - missed jump
7:16 gasol-artest-missed jump
6:49-fish missed layup
6:08 gasol-mayed layup
TimeOut / kobe 6 rebounds already/1 off. put back - 2 points
5:41 fouled
5:37 gasol-missed layup
4:39-gasol-artest-missed 3
3:33 missed ball in the paint - TO
2:39 made jump
jordan pass artest missed fade away
1:05 penetrates-pass to odom-missed jump
0:02 - shoots from mid-court for a prayer (obviously a shot that brings down his percentage but he will take it)

Laker Tom - AWESOME post. I find myself posting less because of the rabid idiot trolls on here. It gets boring saying the same things over & over - they just don't get it. Still - you're right. It's important to keep scourging the trolls and having each other's back when they go with the frontal attacks. Thanks for the reminder!


PS - come on the live chat at halftime!!!!!! You'll be glad you did!!!

after 1st Q. lakers shooting 42.9 % with 23 points in the paint!!!!!!!!!!! atrocious shooting by the TEAM - 1 assists for Kobe

2nd Q.

kobe to:

11:50 pass, starts the offense. miss by bynum
10:57 alley up Bynum /made
10:28 3 shot/missed
9:31 made fade-away
8:50 post up - pass to farmar -made 3
TOut - Kobe out, LA33-T32

missed a few minutes made coffee/ can't watch w/Farmar on the floor. i became allergic. anyway, kobe was on the bench so he did not touch the ball. irrelevant for this stat.

3:31 alley-up to bynum / and 1
3:08 missed 3
2:47 odom -missed 3
2:05 penetration /missed

50-50 score
52.9 made fade away
31.3 made fade away
0.01 made fade away @ the BUZZER / 56-54 Lakers

14pt (7-12) 8 reb. 5 ass. in the first half

Mr. Moderator,

I'll take the cue from my good friend LakerTom. There is a time for reading and scroll and a time for responding. Can't win them all nor keep banging our heads against a wall.

We have gone through Stephen & Tarugo, I think these twisters will also pass by.

Q3

kobe to:

11:29 gasol / made 6 ass.
10:46 gasol-bynum made
10:00 missed dunk left hand
9:46 made 3 in bargnani's face (after being denied in the dunk)
TOut / 63-54
9:00 gasol-artest / 3 made
8:12 fisher-artest-made
7:56 kobe block on Bargnani
kobe 10 reb
7:39 fouled
7:29 / penetration-artest / missed 3
7:20 bynum- traveled
5:50 dunk on derozen / schooling the rookie
4:50 TO (3rd one on dribble - can't handle the ball - index finger broken)
jared jack 2 layups in Bynum's face
TOut
3:57 steal / fouled
3:50 bynum ' alley up / made
2:51 gasol/P&R fouled by bosh
2:03 TO stepped out dribbling with left hand / lost balance
1:42 penetrates- blocked/missed
0:42 pen-farmar / 3 made / 8ass.
0:04 stripped - 4TO

84-82 lakers


Q4

on the bench
8:37 TOut
6:42 gets to the line/ foul on belinelli / as soon as he enters the game
6:03 gasol made baby hook
5:52 TOut - 97-98
5:41 missed jump under basket
5:00 penetrates pass to Gasol under basket missed
4:56 off reb. put it in
4:11 assist #9 falling out of bounds
3:23 farmar / made
2:48 gasol-brown missed 3
2:24 TOut 103-100

2:17 farmar / missed jump
1:48 jump over turk
1:26 fast brake to farmar missed
1:01 missed jump

0:15 gasol / bad pass to farmar / 3 on the clock

THIS IS THE MOMENT WHEN KOBE TOLD GASOL: SHOOT THE &(^*%&^. BALL

IN BOTH OCCASIONS AT 2:48 AND 0:15, GASOL WAS BY HIMSELF UNDER THE BASKET AND PASSED OUT THE BALL FOR A 3 POINT SHOT. ONE MISSED, ONE DEFLECTED.

missed 3
0:11.4 TOut
0012 105-106
MISSED 3 with a bad inbound pass by LUKE

i will let any of you to make/have your own conclusion

thanks to MM for posting and thanks all for your patience.

Curry - why are you even here you idiot troll? If you need help finding your team's blog, why don't you just say so?

LA Guy,

Though we disagreed initially, our points of view have converged.

Strange.

Like I said, every great player has that one season where he is unconscious in some stat for a whole season. The scary part is that Kobe has 18 games to go and could possibly put himself WAY ahead of the rest. Though he would need a lot of luck to keep this up. I'll take your 5 of 9. That is still an insane 55.5% That still makes that "everyone-in-the-world-knows-what-is-going-to-happen-next" play the Lakers best offensive option so far.

That is also insane.

It also make Pau look pretty dumb for complaining. Especially since Gasol is personally responsible for Kobe loosing a bunch of 4th quarter assists due to inept, ineffective, or un-tough play at the end of games.

BTW, I remember Outlaw's year. That was absolutely insane as well.

Also, I think it was Mark Price who said he had 5 total for his whole career. And he's remembered as being both clutch and a good shooter.

Also, note that you only have to hit four of them to be in the running as the best of the season. That is just how hard it must be.

Robert Horry is known as Big Shot, but I think he only had maybe 10 his whole career. Fish has had at least two for three different teams, and may in fact have many more than Horry.

The Lakers have had many guys who have done at least respectably in that category. It is a thing a championship franchise critically needs, even though you rarely actually use it.

Think Big Game James. Think Mr. Clutch West. Think Byron Scott. Think Nick the Quick. Think Magic. Kareem. A bunch for Cooper. Bryon Shaw and Rick Fox hit a few.

What if Kobe binges on these things during this playoff push? Can he steal the MVP from LeBronze? Especially if they seem to be critical to a playoff push that winds the Lakers up with the best record in the league.

You have access to some good info.

Good post.

--FEARless

The Moderator,

MM *actually* knows who I am. He's received email from me.

So have the K bros. I have only used one name and have notified the
world when someone usurped it during the live chats.

Unfortunately, I cannot participate in the live chats due to no social networking
logins. [ nope. not going to get one either. ]

However, I like the thought of bookies shaving pts in the NBA. it seems so ...
historically accurate.

LA Guy,

If LeBronze was so good in the clutch in actuality, and not in a fantasy NBA way, would have won a ring by now. What you stats really show is that LeBronze can pull out games in the clutch WAY more often than Kobe can, but simply cannot do it in the playoffs.

BTW, the playoffs are situations that are much more clutch than any regular season game.

LeBronze has been in the playoffs a LOT. Why isn't he stringing Larry O'Brian's together with his supposed clutch shooting ability?

That is because Kobe is able to do it in the super-clutch. In the playoffs. In close-out games. In elimination games. In OT. In a double-OT-elimination-road-games, with three guys bigger than him draped all over him.

LeBronze can't even be in that situation. Other teams don't even HAVE three guys bigger than him.

--FEARless

Curry,

Kobe talked about practicing the last shot seven years before their was a closer statistic. Byron Scott talked about practicing that shot decades before the stat was invented. Maybe you are correct for some players, but certainly you cannot generalize. Some players have thought this way for a LONG time.

It is Jerry West who made it popular. That is how he got his nick name. That is how he's the only player to win series MVP in a loosing effort. Twice. In college and in the NBA.

Generalizations are generally bad, anyway. You should stay away from them.

--FEARless

Is it game time yet? Is this still LA Times Lakers Blog or it has become LA Guy blog? I am confused, if Kobe is a ballhog, this LA Guy is a blog hog.

the bucks commentators had this line about nate robinson: i guy dribbling for 20 seconds and can't find a teammate OPEN?

maybe Farmar should answer the question. and his fans

----------

u thought that Rose is the player for chicago? obviously Joaquim noah is the MVP. they r out of the playoffs on the 9th place

Laker Tom,

Loved your post.

What do we play for? RINGS!!!

Lakers Today... Lakers Tomorrow... Lakers Forever.

GO LAKERS!!!

"LA Guy is a blog hog."

Jeanette / brilliant

actually he impersonates Lebrick as a blogger. the ball is in his hands. padding stats even when the team is up 30 in the 4th.

The Moderator,

I found your post to be intriguing and rational, even if it is lacking objective evidence to support your conclusion.

I must say that in Ohio I am utterly surprised by how much sports betting has infiltrated so many aspects of society here. People are REALLY into betting on sports. It is a major topic of conversation, which I find to be addictionally interesting because there are no casinos in Ohio. I actually wonder if there were more legalized betting in Ohio if there would be overall LESS betting done.

Anyhow, it is clearly a major underground economy and, as a result, has a lot of power.

So, in conclusion Mr. Moderator, you may very well be right, but I'm not entirely sure you are.

What do we play for? RINGS!!!

Lakers Today... Lakers Tomorrow... Lakers Forever.

GO LAKERS!!!!

Mark Medina/The Moderator,

Regarding bloggers posting under multiple names, it does seem to be a problem and has been a problem since well into the Kamenetzky Administration.

What do we play for? RINGS!!!

Lakers Today... Lakers Tomorrow... Lakers Forever.

GO LAKERS!!!

justanothermambafan,

First, a differing opinion doesn't make one a troll.

Second, how many years have you guys spend patrolling the blogs and posting comments? You've all gotten so clever at it.

Third, if you go to the New York Times, Boston Globe, Cleveland's paper, the paper in the Bay Area, and those in Texas and Chicago...

...you never find the same fanaticism in the kind of dedicated and devoted posts that you posters post.

What is it with you people?

Has this become a lifestyle?

How many of you are 5'9" and under?

Curry...

You used one of my comments to try to make a point, but I can't figure out what your point is. I'm wasn't talking about the number of shots anyone on the team takes. All I was trying to say is that the team needs to make open shots. Kobe creates a lot of open shots for his teammates and they need to take advantage of it.

A so called GUY FROM LA/ curry/ staples24/ sociopath24 simply hates KOBE BRYANT. Its the kind of hatred that is simply personal.

Kobe Bryant = The Guy who brought LA to 6 FINALS APPEARANCES and has given LA, 4 (FOUR) CHAMPIONSHIPS.

and It's sad to see that these guys don't even recognize the fact that KOBE IS A PROVEN WINNER. After winning multiple championships, they still question Kobe's leadership.

Worse, they try to compare Kobe against LeBronze.

Kobe Bryant led USA to the Gold Medal.

Kobe's got 4 rings .

and now you guy's question Kobe's leadership????

If Pau doesn't shut up, I might include him on the list of people who hates Kobe.


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