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Lakers' great Jerry West works to make Northern Trust Open a winner

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Lakers great Jerry West is in a forever giving mood.

He expressed admiration for Kobe Bryant this past week as Bryant closed in on surpassing West as the Lakers' all-time leading scorer, a feat that became official Monday in the team's 95-93 loss to the Memphis Grizzlies.

West is also gearing up for the Northern Trust Open, the next stop on the PGA Tour that begins Thursday at Riviera Country Club, which he says will ultimately result in significant amounts of money going to L.A. charities.

For the last nine months, West has served as the tournament's executive director in hopes of getting "fans back in record numbers" to a tournament that's been around since 1926. That effort has included endless meetings with business leaders and golfers to spark interest in the tournament. It's resulted in 38 of the 50 top money-winners participating in the Northern Trust Open, including two-time defending champion Phil Mickelson.

"Anytime someone has won it twice, it helps," West said. "He plays the game with a flair. It kind of reminds me of an old Arnold Palmer."

West, 71, put much work in attracting other top candidates. The Daily News' Jill Painter reported in a well-detailed story that some of West's efforts in landing the top players came with a personal touch. He convinced Anthony Kim and Stewart Cink to play the event by offering his personal Lakers seats, and hosted breakfast for Y.E. Yang at Sherwood Country Club.

Having a talent-heavy field, West said, wasn't his main motivation, however. The main reason is the charitable contributions, which include allowing members of the military and their families to attend the event for free, an action that hits home with West, whose brother, David, was killed in the Korean War. 

Just recently, West took part in the Play for L.A. charity event, which involved celebrities hitting golf balls in various locations around Los Angeles. That included West chipping a shot through the Hollywood sign and into a Ferris wheel gomdola on the Santa Monica Pier.

"I'm not a horrible golfer," West said. "That didn't look very hard, to be honest with you. If I can embarrass myself out here by doing this and it'll help the people, I'm sure I'm going to do it."

After all, the West Virginia product calls Los Angeles his second home, and he said he remains forever grateful for the community support during his storied career with the Lakers (1960-74).

-- Mark Medina

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Photo: Former Lakers great Jerry West is the executive director of the Northern Trust Open, which begins Thursday. Credit: Rob Poetsch / Play for LA Campaign

 
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Fearless,
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I agree. I have no problem with calling Celtics or Cavs by even the most foul names you could imagine. But our own players? Not if you want to be considered a good fan by me.
Also, how ironic that there is so much criticism of Kobe and yet he didn’t take a shot the last few times down the court. I would have preferred him to pass more to the bigs early and then take the game winner instead of Artest.
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Tom

LakerTom,

I addressed a question to you earlier. Perhaps you missed it, so I'll ask again.

What does the lack of offensive rebounds indicate about the position of
Pau, Bynum & Odom?

note: by position, I mean physical location on the court.

this is why I hate this format, you comment on something, that board dies...

... so, Hobbit has now decided he can tell ME what I saw last night? I didn't see Kobe jacking up shots and taking his own players out of the game? I didn't? Huh? You don't think if Bynum maybe thought there was A CHANCE of him taking a few more shots he might have put in a little more effort? These guys aren't robots, if they see Kobe going into JACK mode, they aren't going to make the effort to get open in the first place, I wouldn't either.

- Again, that game was indeed Kobe's legacy, Kobe got to jack up as many shots as he wanted, take his own team out of the game, set the scoring record and WE LOST. But... I guess I didn't see that, according to Hobbit...

HAHAHAHA another example of DRIVE BY SHOOTING:

pfunk36 your response below:

LA Guy (PROTESTANT)

You have to be one of the dumbest bloggers in captivity!

PFUNK36 (CATHOLIC)

RATAT.TATATATATATA..... RATATATATATATA......

For what it's worth, teh Chicago Tribune is reporting that

"Kobe Bryant is practically demanding the Lakers upgrade their backcourt as well."

I doubt Kobe is quite that disloyal to Fish, to be honest. But if it came down to loyalty vs winning more titles, we know what Kobe would choose.

There's a few things that could be fixed.

More minutes for JF, less minutes for DF would go a long ways.

More touches for socks and gasol would be another.

Right now, I'd rather have Sasha in there than DFish... but in all honesty, Jordan and him should swap places - been saying this for 3 months now, and I'll keep saying it.

LakerTom:

You wrote: "Not if you want to be considered a good fan by me."

Do you also hand out certificates signed by you? Very envious of your status, wow!

Good Fans: Staples24, CornerJ, Phred, Jon K. and Nemaia

Bad Fans (heathens): KB Blitz, LakerTruth, Edwin Gueco (curmudgeon)

I agree with Tim-4-Show...Let's just give Jordan more minutes and Fish less...And more touches to the big guys. Then let's see what happens.

M2, Re: PG

Looks like ball is in your court. Starting PG is topic of the day. Dare we do a poll on who should start?

Rick possibly....Let's see what people think. I just got back from practice and am putting some stuff together but I can throw a poll up if you guys want that....

MM

LA Guy,

Jordan averaged 8 assists in 1988 BEFORE the triangle was implemented. Stop making up silly stats to support your argument. Without the triangle, Jordan would've had a MUCH higher assist average. Same goes for Kobe.

If you're seriously trying to claim that the Cavs do not run a Lebron centric offense, than I have nothing more to say to you. You've obviously never watched a Cavs game. Put Lebron in the triangle, and just like Jordan, his assists will plummet.

I still think it's a travesty that the organization allowed Jerry West to just walk away. He, above anyone else, yes even Magic, should have been a Laker for life. Like Magic, he should have been offered % of team ownership or at least the president title. With his contributions as a player, coach, and as the greatest basketball GM of all time, the logo ranks in my opinion as the greatest Laker of all time. There is no showtime, no Shaq/Kobe dynasty without the logo. In all his recent interviews, he makes it clear that he is completely separated from the Laker organization, which is a complete disgrace.

- and by the way, even when Jordan averaged 8 assists a game, he was considered a selfish ballhog that could not win a ring. AFTER the triangle was implemented, he was considered a team player that could win championships. The ironic thing is, the more his assists went down, the more of a team player he became. In other words, he was fully utilizing the triangle.

I wasn't crazy about Kobe's number of shot's either, though I thought it was a team loss. It seemed like every turnover came at the worst time, and the FT shooting was just awful. At the beginning of the 2nd half, I saw Kobe miss 2 easy shots, Drew miss a dunk, and Pau a 2 foot gimme. That's the kind of game it was. They all missed some easy/wide open shots at some point.

Dallas Raine's Hair,

you wrote: ... so, Hobbit has now decided he can tell ME what I saw last night? I didn't see Kobe jacking up shots and taking his own players out of the game? I didn't? Huh? You don't think if Bynum maybe thought there was A CHANCE of him taking a few more shots he might have put in a little more effort? These guys aren't robots, if they see Kobe going into JACK mode, they aren't going to make the effort to get open in the first place, I wouldn't either.

- Again, that game was indeed Kobe's legacy, Kobe got to jack up as many shots as he wanted, take his own team out of the game, set the scoring record and WE LOST. But... I guess I didn't see that, according to Hobbit...

my response: hmm ... are you a rational human being? Some are more
rational than others. I'm not making a judgement. I'm asking you for a self
evaluation.

I ask, because it has been scientifically proven that people's biases color
their judgement. Yes, this affects me as well. *THAT* is why I went back
and looked at the play-by-play. I wanted to verify what I thought I saw
vs. what actually happened.

I'm not telling you what you saw. I'm suggesting that you're memory is
colored by your bias. i.e. you believe a thing to be true and you look for
things that fit your belief. You remember these things and forget other
things which don't fit what you believe.

If you compare last night's box score with the box score Lakers vs. Chicago in
December ... You'll notice that we actually got offensive rebounds against
Chicago. Bynum didn't do jack, but Pau & Odom actually did. It's in the box
score.

Let's hypothesize that you're right. That means that our Bigs decided in the
first 60 seconds of play. To be more clear that means that our Bigs decided
not to rebound or play hard because they had determined in the first 60
seconds of play that Kobe wasn't going to give them the ball. Is 60 secs
enough time to draw that conclusion? I don't believe that is true and I see
no evidence to support that Kobe was jacking up shots in the first 60 secs.

Let's hypothesize that I'm right. I've got Bynum & Pau in foul trouble before
the end of the first quarter. Specifically, Pau plays for 2 mins and 9 secs.
Would having both of our Centers in foul trouble cause them to play passive?
I find that plausible.

Do you even know when Kobe took his first shot? 9:57 left in the 1st.
Do you know when Pau took his first shot? 10:26 left in the 1st.
Do you know what Pau's first shot was? a 20-ft jumper.
Do you know who has the assist on Pau's first shot? Kobe.

So Kobe didn't shoot in the first 60 secs. Kobe gives an assist on Pau's 1st
shot. Pau's 1st shot is a 20-footer. How has Kobe shown that he's not going
to pass the ball in 1st 2 mins of the game? Yet, you say that Kobe took his
teammates out of the game. The *facts* as recorded by ESPN don't
support your claims. The *facts* do support that our bigs were getting
outplayed.

here's the link in case you don't know how to find it: http://tinyurl.com/yfut6s4

If you can respond with anything beyond supposition, I'd love to hear/read
it.

For the record, there have been a number of times when I've thought that
Kobe has shot the ball too much. However, when I go back and look at the
game a second time, I keep seeing that people aren't cutting for the ball.
They're standing around and watching. Oddly enough, Phil has actually
mentioned this about his players. Specifically: Odom, Artest, & Pau have
all been mentioned as people who sometimes start to watch. Kobe has
specifically said, [ paraphrase ] if you want it come take it. Loose translation:
act like you want to score and I'll help you score. Play like a dead fish and
I'll try to do it by myself. [ end paraphrase ]

LAKER TRUTH

forget La Guy. he is a Cavs troll in disguise who is shaking in his pants about Kobe's legacy and Le Brick. or maybe just an old Snack lover.

yesterday he mentioned that by Kobe taking all the shots disrupted the rhythm of the other players. if i recall the only game played by 9 players is handball and lately it is played only in 7.

but i guess Kobe also disrupted the rhythm of the players worming the bench. not surprised they can come in to hit "clutch" shots. forgot, clutch is not in his vocabulary. neither is buzzer beater or go ahead winning shot. not surprised, Snack was never clutch because he was sitting on the bench: free throws anyone?

LA Guy and his "selective" statistics are a waste of bits/space.

for a guy that finds Le Brick exciting and Kobe boring, i'm surprised he spends so much energy trying to define and explain boredom when he can celebrate 23 points in a quarter by Le Brick. i'm wondering in that quarter if any other Cav player touched the ball. were they disrupted? no, it was the Clippers.

soon Kobe with his play will disrupt even the rhythm of the Cavaliers. and also he disrupted Ray Allen. and yes, yesterday he also annihilated OJ Mayo. sorry, wrong department, that was defense. maybe he should play also less defense, so every player in the NBA should leave up to their potential.


"For the record, there have been a number of times when I've thought that Kobe has shot the ball too much. However, when I go back and look at the game a second time, I keep seeing that people aren't cutting for the ball. They're standing around and watching."

- Hello?

- uh... isn't this exactly what I was saying? You aren't asking the right questions. WHY are people not cutting for the ball? They aren't cutting because they know it's wasted effort. Kobe wasn't going to pass them the ball last night FROM THE START and they knew it so they stopped making any effort to get open in the first place. Chicken and the egg...

hobbit

Play like a dead fish and
I'll try to do it by myself. [ end paraphrase ]

DEAD

was that a double-entendre or just a freudian Fish/slip

WHO CARES IF KOBE BROKE JERRY'S RECORD AND MAY BREAK KAREEM'S RECORD:

One thing for sure Kobe may be the best player but not the sharpest knife in the drawer:

Kobe is not a team player, will never be and just not in his DNA..its a pity to see his team members under utilized and undermined by none other than the selfish, self serving ball hog, the most selfish player ever to lace up in the history of NBA..

AS NOTED BY PHIL JACKSON:

At the same time, Lakers Coach Phil Jackson thought Bryant was distracted by trying to break the record.

"At halftime, I told the guys he's forcing the action and let's get him over the hump so we can start playing team ball out there," Jackson said. "But it didn't seem like we ever did. It looked like it was Kobe, and Ron [Artest] chipped in, but nobody else could really get going."

Jackson said the record was "not important."

i want a game when Kobe "bean" Bryant takes all the shots. the rest of the players will have to move to create the best situation for him, pass back the ball like AB did in the Boston game, set HARD picks and not "jellyFISH" ones, go for every rebound and loose ball. let's see if they can play without the ball.

and play 100% defense for 48 minutes so the other team won't be able to score.

i'm sure it will be more fun and spectacular to watch than all the other players missing shots.

i'm wondering in Football, do other players complain when all the plays r designed that the quarterback is throwing the ball to the same "jerry rice". no, only the TD counts. and the other players r defending the QB and set picks and distract the attention of the defense. and when on defensive situation they just all fight so the opposing team does not score. what an ingrate situation and position to be. but they r teammates. and proud of the win

only in BB we have all these DIVAS who just want to score and complain. they want touches. enough. follow your leader. and this message is for JellyFish Diva, a.k.a. Pau Gasol and the rest.

i'm eating FIRST. U Get SECONDS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

there is a frikkin' Peaking Order and is coming from the greatest Laker ever. to be continued …

i hope PJ own record as the lakers coach with most wins is "not important" either.

so much for the MAN who wore that baseball cap with the X on it. yes, i know, that was from his sons. what a douche. pfunk36 is right. Kobe was/is/will be his scapegoat for all his shortcomings and no decision making.

i hope Kobe sabotage him for 2 games and they win in Portland so the Staples won't cheer him for "his record". it's not important. it's myopic. ask CaliPhilo. wake me up when the playoffs start.

Dallas Raine's Hair,

your post was:

"For the record, there have been a number of times when I've thought that Kobe has shot the ball too much. However, when I go back and look at the game a second time, I keep seeing that people aren't cutting for the ball. They're standing around and watching."

- Hello?

- uh... isn't this exactly what I was saying? You aren't asking the right questions. WHY are people not cutting for the ball? They aren't cutting because they know it's wasted effort. Kobe wasn't going to pass them the ball last night FROM THE START and they knew it so they stopped making any effort to get open in the first place. Chicken and the egg...


my response: umm ... no. That is not what you were saying.

re: *WHY* aren't people cutting for the ball?

As I posted earlier, if you go back and look at the play-by-play you'll find
that Bynum & Pau were in foul trouble at the beginning of the game. That
means all of our Bigs were in foul trouble for the majority of the game.

I believe that Kobe took 4 shots in the 1st quarter. If he had maintained that
pace it would have given him 16 shots for the game. Is 16 shots too many?
So why did he start shooting more in the 2nd - 4th quarter? Why is Pau
shooting a 20-ft shot as his first shot? Why isn't there a single offensive
rebound in the 1st quarter?

If neither Center has an offensive rebound in the 1st quarter then they
can't be in position to get an offensive rebound or they aren't trying to
get an offensive rebound. Given the stats of Memphis it is far more plausible
that our Bigs got out-played.

Out of curiosity, what do you want Kobe to do? Should he continually pass
the ball to people who pass it back to him? 24 secs of "I don't want it, you
take it." Followed by shot clock violations because nobody is *TRYING* to
win the game. They're all just standing around looking at each other.

We saw what Pau did in Chicago, after he complained about getting touches.
How come you're not holding Pau to the Chicago stats?

While you're at it, why don't you talk about the minutes that Bynum got vs.
the minutes that Odom & Pau got. Kobe has nothing to do with why Bynum
only played for 25 minutes and only had 4 pf's. That would be a coaching
decision not a Kobe "jacking up shots" issue.

When you look at the Lakers stats, the Grizzlies stats, the shot chart & the
play-by-play it seems clear that our bigs were getting out played. Randolph
& Marc Gasol had a total of 30 rebounds. That would be 24 defensive
rebounds. That would mean that they wanted the ball more than we did.
That is not on Kobe. That's on them and it started in the first quarter when
both our C & our PF got into foul trouble and were in foul trouble for the
rest of the game.

Unless you're claiming that "THEY DECIDED BEFORE THE GAME" not to
play hard. Is that what you're saying?

15 days 21 hours 57 minutes 10 seconds: trading deadline

ARGGGGG!!!!!

I knew it!

I knew that the Cavs would destroy a tired Memphis team tonight, making us look bad.

I knew it!

ARGGGG!!!!!

I don't know if anyone has posted this, but check out what the Celtic's Sheldon Williams tweeted today at 3:20pm:

"@SheldenWilliams: Man when it rains it pours!!! Yall will find out what I mean soon!!!!"
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The Celtics' brass has been very hush hush on the subject of Pierce's foot injury(shocker!).
Sheldon's tweet may indicate what many of us are already expecting- BROKEN FOOT!

Pau Gasoft and Phil No Action Jackson sound like the old Shaq and Jack show from way back when they would double team Kobe in the media with their killer word smith jargon. Gasol needs to be more concerned about getting his soft clown a$$ under the basket and getting some rebounds instead of becoming the
incredible shrinking man in the forth qtr ! Phil needs to stop trying to side step the fact that his sick loyalty to Luke Walton is costing this team more than the 35
million it pays this no basketball playing clown ! Jeffery Osborn said it best back
in 1982 ! I really don't need no light to see through you! We are on to you Phil
you are apparently writing another book and we also know that you undermined
Jerry West and played a roll in him leaving the Lakers ! At some point the truth will come out ! And when it does your sick manipulating days will be over ! I hope the Buss Family exposes you sooner. Wake up Jeanne !!!!!

LAKER TRUTH,

I'm going say it only once. You've totally misunderstood my post in regards to Pau and Drew not getting enough shots. My emphasis was on MORE BALANCE offensively. I didn't say that we lost because Kobe shot too much, I said that we need MORE OFFENSIVE DISTRIBUTION!!! We all watched the game and interpret things differently which I can respect, but don't sit there and act like your point of view is the only one that matters because it doesn't!!! You sit there and talk about certain plays that our bigs missed or messed up on, but Kobe also made mistakes, took a lot of shots in the first half, missed early shots to start the 2nd half and then you said he became a distributor in the second half. Why not get everyone involved early and still pick your spots??? I love Kobe to death, but tell me how many of his 50-60+ scoring games did we win in a blowout??? My main beef is not just about getting our bigs more shots, but more BALANCE OFFENSIVELY.

I have a problem when our perimeter players have more shot attempts than our bigs who have the highest fg percentages on the team even with Kobe shooting over 50% last night as you mentioned. Don't get it twisted and turn this into a stupid debate about Pau and Drew, because to me it's more about offensive cohesion and balance.

I agree that Pau and Drew(especially) need to give us better defensive effort and hustle(I think they've improved on the boards). Zach Randolph abused LO without end last night as he always does whenever they match up going back to when Zach played in Portland.

This debate has been ongoing ever since Kobe emerged as a dominant player. First it was Shaq who didn't get enough "touches". Then it was Kobe who impeded Kwame's development by not passing him the ball. LOL!! Now,Pau and Drew are complaining about their lack of involvement on offense.

It never ends. Kobe should shoot the ball the most on the Lakers. He's their best, most aggressive scorer. He's there at the end of games when the going gets tough. Bynum and Gasol should realize that the best way they can help the team is by providing interior toughness and defense. When is the last time that Pau or Baby took a charge?

Everyone on the team has a special input and a way how they can best help the team. Championship teams have players that embrace and fulfill their roles as best as they can. Say what you will about Lamar, he took his demotion to the second unit with class and professionalism.

I love the Lakers. But I hate to hear the seeds of dissension coming out of Pau and Drew's mouths. The rest of the NBA is looking for signs of weakness from the Lakers. Keep the family circle closed!! Keep the spats in-house!! Win as a team and lose as a team!!

If Kobe scores 40 points or 4 points and they win, it's all good. The reason I never buy into the "Kobe shoots too much" line of thought is that in my heart of hearts, I believe that Kobe's primary goal is to win championships. I've seen too much toughness, clutchness and courage from him to believe otherwise.

What would be the easiest ways for this current Lakers roster to improve their play?

1) Stay within the offense.

2) Bynum keep his focus.

3) Lamar keep his focus.

#1 is primarily up to Kobe. He would end up with fewer shots, but they would be easier ones, so he would score close to as many points.

#2 is at least somewhat related to #1.

Probably no hope of #3 happening.

A snippet from LAT article after last night's game in Memphis:

At the same time, Lakers Coach Phil Jackson thought Bryant was distracted by trying to break the record.

"At halftime, I told the guys he's forcing the action and let's get him over the hump so we can start playing team ball out there," Jackson said. "But it didn't seem like we ever did. It looked like it was Kobe, and Ron [Artest] chipped in, but nobody else could really get going."

Jackson said the record was "not important."

"The win [would have been] important. He's going to get that record regardless. It could have come tonight, it could have come another night. But, you know, we're happy for him."

Again I think that Kobe Bryant is the G.O.A.T in my opinion and nothing can change my mind on that. PJ's statement speaks volumes about what I spoke on earlier in regards to better team ball and offensive balance.

@ exhelodrvr, I saw the Keving Ding article you linked at LOL. Very informative. Like I said before, we have little chance v. Cavs if the bigs don't touches.

It'll be interesting to see the Nugs this week. I still think we're in their heads, but well see.

Wow - you'd think we just lost the Finals or something...


GUYS - it was only 1 game, the 2nd of a back to back, 3rd of 3 back to backs on the longest road trip ever (well maybe not ever), and came after a gut check win IN Beantown - and we were still right there.

What could Kobe have done differently to make y'all happy? Make the game winner? Of course! But what if he missed it? There would still be hell to pay on here. He passed the ball at a critical point in the game to Thriller who had been shooting well, and Ron just missed it. Tough luck, but Kobe was trying to get someone else a better look than he had. If Kobe had kept the ball and jacked up a shot and missed - then what? More hell to pay on here. The guy can't win for losing with some of you. Seriously.


And I'm quite sure - given my extremely limited knowledge of basketball coaching - that no one in the game analyzes each stat and game nuance more than some of YOU LOL!!! Or puts together more trade scenarios!! Or complains with such vitriol at the team's STAR player and best player in the freaking GAME!!!

I understand doing a little picking of nits after a loss. Really I do, but this is getting ridiculous. People are insulting each other - if they could you'd probably see them literally at each other's throats. And all this for a GAME! It's a game (not practice) lol! It really doesn't even matter in the grand scheme of things. I mean - if y'all want to get your panties in a bunch over something why not make it relevant and meaningful - like what's going on in Haiti for example.... When people are starving in the streets and dying from lack of medical care, I think a Laker loss really pales in comparison - don't you?

Come on guys - be polite. If you can't do that, at least try to be civil and keep things in perspective. Most of us are here for our love of the Lakers. We all want them to win every game, but it's just not possible. Not in this reality or any other. If you can't accept that, I suggest y'all take a chill pill, or a shot of vodka, and seriously consider changing your form of entertainment. Maybe take up scrapbooking or something - I hear it's quite relaxing.


BTW - am I the only one who noticed the return of Ding How from Prattville on a previous thread?? LOL! Now all we need to hear from is Sister Mary Elephant and Otto, and the band's back together!!!

Have a great evening - and chillax.............

Am I the only person who wants to flay "the newbie" alive here?

Would any of you here actually want to spend ANY meaningful time around such a person?

{Growl}

What do we play for? RINGS!!!

Lakers Today... Lakers Tomorrow... Lakers Forever.

GO LAKERS!!!!

Edwin Gueco is a good fan.

What do we play for? RINGS!!!!

Lakers Today... Lakers Tomorrow... Lakers Forever.

GO LAKERS!!!!

DALLAS RAINES’ HAIR,
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LOL. You should know by now NOT to respond to hobbitmage’s invitation to debate. Not only does he have WAY too much time but he also always pulls tricks like intentionally misinterpreting what you say as something totally different and then innocently asking you “was that what you really meant?” Of course, considering the hit and miss aspect of the average blogger, probably half the fans end up thinking what hobbitmage was saying you said was what you said, if you get my drift.
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Yes, I do hand out bad fan certificates. Since they’re virtual, you probably didn’t realize you may already might have been given yours. JK. But, hey, no problem. If you call our players despicable or disrespectful names – and I don’t mean in the anger of the moment after a horrible play, of which I myself have been guilty – but consistently and maliciously, then no I wouldn’t consider you to be a good fan. I wouldn’t invite you into my house and wouldn’t accept an invitation to yours. NBFD. You can get together with Chuck23. You guys could be soul mates. Of course, maybe you don’t call our players bad names, in which case, you could be OK but no bad fan certificate, of course. LOL.
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Like all good prevaricators, you have mastered the art of including elements of truth to mislead. JK. But the truth is greyer than you claim. Yes, it’s up to players to move and cut but you can’t tell me that it’s not intimidating the way Kobe will post up and demonstratively demand the ball or – and I have seen this over and over to Drew as he was considering cutting into the lane in front of the rim –emphatically wave a player off. It’s clear he is telling players at times NOT to get in his way. But that is also part of what makes Kobe so great. At times he will overshoot and hog the ball. And more times than not, the Lakers will win as a result. Those fans who think Kobe will not end up shooting less and feeding the post more as we approach the playoffs are actually insulting and disrespecting Kobe’s BB intelligence, his understanding of the importance of playing as a team, and his desire to win.
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Tom

I say thank you Kobe for your latest milestone and congratulations. You are the best in the NBA.

Now condolences for your return of ball hog, Kobe the me first, which caused the loss to Memphis. He took and missed so many shots especially from perimeter and miss after miss. He was too determined to get his points aqnd took the Lakers out of playing within their offense. Sure he got a lot of points but the fact is he lost us the game.

He needs to attack wisely and also facilitate. Work the offense and don't try to do everything himself. He complained for help but now about try using that help.

For those who want to say I am a Kobe basher, remember I said he is the best player in the NBA. He does have faults and needs to be called out on those as constructive criticism.

I say critcise when necessary and praise wghen necessary. It is well known I am not a great PJ supporter in his coaching but I agree with him when he said the team was playoing as too Kobe dependent.

Kobe heal and trust your teamates especially the bigs in the block.

Greatest Lakers Ever (No particular order):

Jerry West
Magic Johnson
Kobe Bryant
Elgin Baylor
Kareem Abdul-Jabaar
George Mikan
James Worthy
Gail Goodrich
Shaquille O'Neal
Michael Cooper
Derek Fisher

The Immortals

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Pau Gasol
Andrew Bynum
Lamar Odom
Ron Artest

What do we play for? RINGS!!!!

Lakers Today... Lakers Tomorrow... Lakers Forever.

GO LAKERS!!!!

I think the problem (?) with Kobe shooting alot is that thus far, not any teammate, other than Pau, perhaps, has shown a CONSISTENT ablilty to produce. If we (Kobe) gave up on the idea of Home Court advantage, he could and would distribute the ball more. I just think he's too dedicated to win every game and have as much of an advantage (HC) as the Lakers can have. In other words, no time to take a deep breath!
I think that not having a consistent threat besides himself and not having a true point guard that passes out 10 assists a night is our (Lakers) main problem. If we could experiment and start Farmar and play him 40 minutes win or lose a few games to truly find out what he's capable of would be interesting.
And, not to always beat up on Fish, but really, love him, but we have to do better. Just can't have him not shot well or defend well, not both negatives. Oh well, just my thoughts.

@ bronxlakerfan, I love the Lakers too, and to me they're more important than Kobe, or Pau, or Drew. What I hear comming out of Drew and Pau aren't seeds of disension, but the truth. The Lakers are a much better team when the Bigs get touches early in the offense, esp Pau, since he is a much better passer than Drew is at this point. Look at usage v. PER charts for Pau and Kobe, Kobe is overused and Pau is underused, this really backs up what the bigs are saying, we play better inside out. Touches for out bigs not only gets them involved in the game, but it also puts pressure on the opposing bigs to play D. In the Boston game Perkins got 2 early fouls and had to leave the game.
Like I said earlier, I wouldn't put all of last nights loss on Kobes shot selection, a lot of things went bad last night. But, if Kobe is going to take ~30 shots a game v a team like the Cavs in the finals, we're going to lose. Does that mean Kobe shouln't take the game winner, of course not, he remains the teams most clutch shooter, but there is a lot to each game other than the last 15 seconds.

The LOGO "I'm not a horrible golfer,"

Actually he's a great golfer, or was. Mr West had the course record at Bel Air which is no small feat considering most of the best golfers played it at some point in their career.

He said, he always knew when he how and why it was flowing on a basketball court for him, but that fateful day on the course, he only knew to get out of his own way. Early zen.

Hey Laker Tom - Haven't been praising Socks a lot lately, except for his fantastic effort against the green weeners. Still - I'm seeing what he can become, and I certainly hope - like I know we all do - that he will turn into the Beast by the time we get to the Finals. This kid can be so good - it's scary!

I'm hoping I still qualify for a Good Fan Certificate. It would look really good on my virtual wall....LOL!


Jon K - would you prefer to hold while I flay, or vice versa? Either way is ok with me - all this crap is getting annoying....

I'll say it again - CHILLAX peeps - it's only January!

JUSTANOTHERMAMBAFAN,
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I’ll have my mine with the cannabis egg rolls, please. The return of Ding How from Prattville? How perfectly appropriate. Ding How can settle all these arguments and sell some Dim Sum.
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Hello everyone

It has been awhile. AK/BK no longer around. I have been checking the blog every now and then. Where is EastCoast Jessie? Not much of the oldtimers? Defected to where AK/BK are?

So many trolls, psuedo Lakers fans. Maybe they come here because it is boring on their fave team's blog.

I am not worried at all with this team. They were far worse last year but they played hard when it mattered most. Be happy for being a Laker fan, the only elite team in the NBA right now.

Manong Edwin, Mamba, justanothermamba, glad you are still around.

I am still a Lakerholic.

Nemaia,

My point is that Kobe has 4 championships, and winning rings is his main priority, AKA "Kobe is the LEAST of the Laker problems". Yet, his shot attempts always seems to be the dominant topic, whether the Lakers win or lose. In my opinion, this is a product of the media's crusade to diminish Kobe's game, ever since he lost the NBA poster boy title after Colorado. Anytime Kobe does anything great (i.e. 81 points), he is criticized for his shot attempts. He just passed one of the greatest scoring records in Laker history by scoring 44 points in only 28 shots, and instead of celebrating his 14 years of contributions as a Laker, most of the posters would rather focus on how Kobe lost us the game by shooting too much. If you were not part of that camp, I apologize for misinterpreting your post. As Bronz mentioned, his shot attempts have been a topic of criticism from the media for years. It doesn't matter if he has great teammates in Pau/Artest/Lamar, or if he's playing with Kwame/Cook/Smush/Luke. It doesn't matter that he lost in the playoffs to Phoenix or if he just won a championship and a finals MVP. He will still be criticized for shooting. People would rather focus on the ONE thing that he might be doing wrong, rather than every other facet of his game.. It would be similar to people ignoring the contributions of Magic Johnson, and instead just talked about his below average defense day after day after day. Of all people, I think the Finals MVP has earned our trust. There are going to be games where he takes 30 plus shots, and there are going to games where he's more of a distributor. It's no different than last season. Based on the past two years, I have 100% faith that he is going to find that balance between playmaker and shotmaker, and fans should be more focused on the real issues (i.e. our PG play, our habit of giving up offensive rebounds, certain players not hustling, our bench play, etc.).

Mark G,
The Nuggets still need to prove that they can handle adversity within a game before I believe that they are true contenders.

Again I like the balance discussion. The latest LAT article reveals that Pau stated that he and Drew are at fault at times for not demanding the ball more and playing more aggressively. I agree. PJ also stated that the bigs were at fault for turnovers as well which is correct and he also said that the bigs weren't given enough opportunities. Right on both accounts.

Justa,

Thanks for the being the voice of reason and reminding us that we're ALL Laker fans. I appreciate your post.

Bronx,

I agree that Kobe should take the most shots and that he's our best player period. I would just like to see us with a little more balance and not Kobe dependent as PJ put it.

LAKER TRUTH,

We may not always agree, but I do respect your posts. Just don't pontificate so much, alright??? LOL.

We are all Laker fans now and forever!!!

The thing is Kobe made 16 of 28, not bad at all, good as a matter of fact. I think going into the bigs is a good thought, but our bigs need to post lower! Did you all see when Kobe posted about 2 feet from the hoop? Easy score! And as Sir Charles says, when you post up and have your hand out for the ball, lock the defender down so he has no chance to steal or knock it away! Oh, then make that 3 foot shot!

PS-LO, please make those layups! Remember in grade school when your coach made you shoot layup drills for an hour each practice? And same for high school and college?

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I think Drew will be fine. Kobe knows how important he was to beating the Celtics. I think last night was a combination of everybody else being exhausted mentally after the time on the road and big game against Boston and Kobe probably getting a little frustrated at that and deciding to take over. Hey, that’s just Kobe. And Phil was just being Phil, gladly taking the opportunity to jab Kobe about feeding the bigs. He knew Kobe didn’t really care about setting the record last night but the Zen Master also knows that he needs Kobe to initiate the change.
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I think we will see Kobe and the team slowly increase the focus on feeding Drew and Pau inside. Kobe will still rightfully get the most shots, say 20-25 per game, but Drew and Pau combined would at least get about the same number of shots. To claim that Kobe doesn’t realize this and won’t adjust is disrespecting his intelligence. The unnoticed good thing happening is that Ron Artest is consistently hitting his 3-pointers, now shooting 40%.
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I have to say I shook my head when Phil pulled Farmar with five minutes to go in the fourth. Farmar had been playing great and had just made a beautiful cut and bounce pass to Drew. I love his speed playing with the starters and think he should be given a shot to show what he could do starting in lieu of Fish. My gut says Jordie would play superb and give an adrenalin boost to the starting lineup, giving it back the speed it lost when we traded Ariza.
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The main thing I would like to see the team do is encourage players to cut or try seal their man when Kobe is isolated. With all the attention on Kobe, the worst thing to do is let the other team know that nobody is going to cut. It actually is the perfect time to cut or for Drew to do a spin move like he does on the lobs to seal his man right under the rim. Or Lamar diving into the paint. In fact, anybody diving into the paint but Fish. Sorry, Derek
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Laker Tom - that sounds disgusting LOL!! I'll just stick with hard liquor and the game chat! Seriously though - I'm a big Socks fan like you. He's got stuff to work on, but what 22 year old doesn't?? Just cuz he's 7 feet tall and has a big contract doesn't mean he can't progress and get better. I really don't understand why people can't see how far he's come and also see the glimpses of what he will be. Curiouser and curiouser....

Nemaia - I'm the voice of reason around here???? WTH??? When did that happen??? You otta be ashamed of yourself for calling me that. You little punk. Better be happy I can't catch up to you in a back alley somewhere. I'd have to punch you in the throat and sick my cat on you. :) (C U tomorrow on the live chat my friend!) And YES - for those of you who don't understand either humor OR sarcasm, it was a soupcon of both. (Happy to please the francophiles - or the francophones - on the chat too...)

Obviously it's getting late and... what? It's only 7:30? Well - it's getting late somewhere... I really need to get my beauty sleep, cuz it's really getting fugly now. My cat's calling... gotta scat....

Laker Tom - that sounds disgusting LOL!! I'll just stick with hard liquor and the game chat! Seriously though - I'm a big Socks fan like you. He's got stuff to work on, but what 22 year old doesn't?? Just cuz he's 7 feet tall and has a big contract doesn't mean he can't progress and get better. I really don't understand why people can't see how far he's come and also see the glimpses of what he will be. Curiouser and curiouser....

Nemaia - I'm the voice of reason around here???? WTH??? When did that happen??? You otta be ashamed of yourself for calling me that. You little punk. Better be happy I can't catch up to you in a back alley somewhere. I'd have to punch you in the throat and sick my cat on you. :) (C U tomorrow on the live chat my friend!) And YES - for those of you who don't understand either humor OR sarcasm, it was a soupcon of both. (Happy to please the francophiles - or the francophones - on the chat too...)

Obviously it's getting late and... what? It's only 7:30? Well - it's getting late somewhere... I really need to get my beauty sleep, cuz it's really getting fugly now. My cat's calling... gotta scat....

This thing is going to explode sooner or later.

Kobe's version of the triangle in effect. What else is new.

justanothermambafan,

I'd prefer that you hold the guy down as I flay.

What do we play for? RINGS!!!!

Lakers Today... Lakers Tomorrow... Lakers Forever.

GO LAKERS!!!!

Say what you want to say about Kobe; but to my recollection, either last night or during the course of this year, I know for a fact that Stu Lance, Phil Jackson, Pau Gasol, and Andrew Bynum have all said, indirectly, that Kobe's bouts of overshooting (the Kobe Triangle) is disrupting the offensive flow of the team, and compromising the effectiveness of key players.

I'm not at all a Kobe hater. Those on this blog should remember how I defended him so passionately during the Denver rape fiasco and the summer he demanded to be traded. But even I, as a Kobe fan, can clearly see that Kobe's version of the triangle debilitates the offensive power of this Laker team.

Derek Fisher was brought in to re-direct the offense when Kobe gets a bit overzealous, but Derek is struggling, and his leadership is faltering on the team. There's no one else that can stand eye to eye with Kobe and tell him that he's overshooting. Pau is hinting at it, and at some point, he'll come out and say it directly. Bynum won't say anthing...yet. Lamar doesn't care about touches, and Artest is still trying to just fit it. Phil has given up on trying to abate Kobe's Triangle.

This is why I've said for 2 years now that we MUST get a strong willed PG that can score 17 ppg, and control the offensive movement of the ball so that Kobe doesn't always have it in his hands. Fish can no longer play this role, but who else can?

I remember a year or two ago, Farmar was making overtures about freezing Kobe out and moving the ball to other players. People on this blog destroyed Farmar for that. You can imagine what King Kobe had to say behind closed doors. What's to do?

At this point, nobody can stop Kobe when he's wild-eyed and willful. A good PG could, but we don't have one. So, until key trades are made, we can only fall back on Troy's oft written adage; Kobe giveth, Kobe taketh away...

Justa - I agree, the spew factor seems to be on the rise again. People should relax a little. What thread was Ding How on? I gotta check it out. One of my all-time faves.

Hey guys a new post is up. Topic is what all you guys have been talking about so I'll approve any comments you want to carry over.

MM

Jeannie, welcome back hija Raftors are doing great too and beat the Lakers.

Well, this is just a round robin of 82 game season, the same here in the blog. We have good fans, bad fans and electric fans too. LT is our Chancellor here handing down certificates with the signature of Bynum. I hope I could change my curmudgeon grade and improve my standing with the Great One, I think I am a medium-rare fan. We all have high fallutin' names in our certificates, Hobbit is a prevaricator and Blitz is a baiter and I am the incorrigible. hahaha!

Jon K, thanks bro for believing your co-blog conspirator. I think the Lakers need your martial arts forte also hobbitmage and Charles. If you can just teach sweeping or shin kick to Gasol that will a huge edge, nobody could come closer to him, Randolf's right knee was sharp last night and got Fisher windpipe.

I also Artest plantar faciitis are still aching, it takes time before they heal. I had those in '02 and I was run over by NuYorkers at the Central Station because I could not walk fast or even press my foot on the ground. I've to wear those donut soles to isolate the heel inflammation. Therefore, if you see Artest and Kobe playing with those nagging injuries be thankful, other players would opt for disability if they have those kind of injuries.

Aztronaut is back. Good we're roaring in orbit again.

Do you want to annoy Phil Jackson? Ask the logo to intervene and get his opinion on the coaching style of the Zen Master. It will bring back those Knicks-Lakers rivalry in the early 70's. PJ might quit at the middle of the season. lol!

Jon K - done.

dave m - I think it was the one before this (or the one before that). Just recent....

Troy - when you say Kobe is "wild eyed" what exactly do you mean? Cuz that phrase conjurs up images of a crazy son of a gun.... Do you mean when he goes Black Mamba? With the face (snarl)? Cuz that's exactly when I love Kobe the most as he's cutting the heart out of our opponent. So - if that's what you mean - I'll take that Kobe every day and twice on Sunday. Also - when you said "Kobe giveth and Kobe taketh away" I have to ask again to what are you referring? Playing great but not coming through at the buzzer? Cuz there's been a LOT more giving than taking - not just recently but over the course of his career. This man has "given" the city of LA and all of us fans 4 rings. FOUR rings. And he's not done yet. So - yeah - if that's what you mean then I say GIVE, KOBE, GIVE!!! Take whatever you want. My bottle of vodka? My keyboard? My defibrillator? YOURS. I LOVE YOU MAN!

@ exhelodrvr, I don't think I posted anything about the Nuggets, ex, I'm talking about the Cavs. That's who were seeing in the finals.

I see the thread has been slightly overlooked...
Let me just say:
I love you, Jerry West!

Laker Truth: Tex Winter was already teaching the principles of the triangle offense to Jordan and other Bulls as early as 1985. And Jordan had many 5.5 assist seasons or higher after the triangle was implemented despite never having a dominant post player, whereas Kobe has never averaged 5.5 assists without Shaq on the team.

mark G,
That was in agreement to your comment of:

"It'll be interesting to see the Nugs this week. I still think we're in their heads, but well see."


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