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Caught in the Web: Stomaching a Lakers loss to the Celtics

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In any one-point loss, including the Lakers' 87-86 defeat Thursday to the Boston Celtics, there's always various areas that could have shifted the balance the other way. It's part of the perils in competition where the margin of defeat or victory is disproportionate to the number of factors that led to the final outcome. Or in more simpler terms, the little things start piling up.

There was of course the absence of Lakers guard Kobe Bryant (sprained left ankle), which the Lakers successfully stomached for the previous four games but could've benefitted from his clutch play down the stretch. That role should've gone to forward Pau Gasol, but he proved against Boston he's not entirely comfortable being the main man during crunch time, wrote the Orange County Register's Kevin Ding.

Instead, it was Lakers guard Derek Fisher, who attempted the final shot, but the Daily News' Vincent Bonsignore said the "shot never had a chance." It was a final shot that would not have been necessary had the Lakers made shots late in the game, including Shannon Brown going zero of four in the final quarter. The Times' Broderick Turner summed up it was a tough night for the Lakers' back court, with Fisher and Brown combining for only three of 18 from the field. And while noting the Lakers' poor shooting in the fourth quarter, Forum Blue and Gold also pointed out that "the game started out with Boston taking an early and healthy lead due to unbelievably accurate shooting and some sloppy Lakers offense."

Yet, the loss didn't really mean much to Silver Screen and Roll because "I saw enough to know that these guys are getting ready for the stretch run." As for the Celtics, Coach Doc Rivers made not the see the victory as more important than any others, but ESPN Boston's Chris Forsberg says the latest victory provides proof that the Celtics shouldn't be written off this season.

More Lakers links (after the jump)

--Bryant's absence has done more than just force the Lakers to find other options. It's also altered the MVP race, with Sports Illustrated's Paul Forrester ranking Mamba third behind Oklahoma City's Kevin Durant and Cleveland's LeBron James.

--Lakers forward Luke Walton told The Times' Mike Bresnahan that surgery is "definitely an option," regarding his pinched nerve in his lower back.

--Bryant and Walton aren't the only ones dealing with injuries. Lakers reserve guard Sasha Vujacic suffered a Grade 1- Right shoulder sprain and the team is listing him as day-to-day. Vujacic said he couldn't provide a timetable, until he sees a doctor today during the team's day off. ESPN Los Angeles' Andrew and Brian Kamenetzky wrote in part of their post-game wrap that Vujacic's struggles in the second quarter and energy in the fourth quarter epitomized his frustrating season.

--The Times' Mark Heisler takes a trip down memory lane regarding the Lakers-Celtics rivalry.

--Despite the loss, the Riverside Press Enterprises's Greg Patton says the Lakers will fare better than Boston in the postseason.

--Bryant has still felt the sting of the 2008 Finals loss, and acknowledged to The Boston Herald's Steve Bulpett that he wants to face the Celtics in the Finals again.

--It's been a long time since The Times' T.J. Simers interacted with Jackson, and it's fair to say he wished it could've stayed that way before Thursday's game against Boston.

--Celtics forward Rasheed Wallace tells The Boston Globe's Gary Washburn said he didn't deserve getting a technical foul. He suggested in not so-diplomatic-terms that his reputation got him the T, instead of Gasol.

--Lakers forward Ron Artest will make an appearance in Los Angeles today at 2 at 8238 Beverly Blvd for the unveiling of a PETA billboard to raise awareness about spaying dogs.

Tweet of the Day: "Thanks to all those positive thoughts - my dog, Princess Cujo Buss, is doing great after her cataract surgery. Thanks again Lakers family." -- jeaniEBUSS (Lakers executive vice president Jeanie Buss)

--Mark Medina

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Photo: Pau Gasol fouls Boston's Rasheed Wallace during the fourth quarter of the Lakers' 87-86 loss Thursday night. A timeout by Gasol with seconds left gave the Lakers a last attempt to win the game, but the team eventually picked up its first loss in Kobe Bryant's five-game absence. Credit: Gina Ferazzi/Los Angeles Times.

 
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And I hope this is the theme song for our PG position at the end of this year:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aKm65xLpwIM&feature=related


Wes

Tweet of the Day: "Thanks to all those positive thoughts - my dog, Princess Cujo Buss, is doing great after her cataract surgery. Thanks again Lakers family." -- jeaniEBUSS (Lakers executive vice president Jeanie Buss)

THE POWER OF MARK MEDINA AND THE LAKER BLOG IS AWESOME!!!

M/M, you're nice and a cool dude and u know how to duck on arrows thrown at you. After a fiery morning, you always dozed everyone with holy water by introducing new threads. Fire comes back and within two hours, another holy water. Well, you have new twist on the story of last night loss. I wish you can turn it into a win-win so your posters will be happy and contented.

Can you imagine if Fisher made that last shot, he's the hero, he's great, he's 0.4 man on a mission. Because he missed the shot, he's an old bum, a useless goat, a no good plantar faciitis!!! lol!

That says it all in life there is a thin red line that separates the good from the bad; the winner from the loser; the genius and the crack pot.

One thing I would love love love to see is Ilgauskas going to some other team than Cleveland. Dallas and Atlanta are reportedly interested. I would love to see Atlanta sign him and screw Cleveland out of their thinking they could get Jamison for nothing.

Posted by: LongTimeLakerFan | February 19, 2010 at 10:27 AM

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The other benefit of Big Z not returing is that Shaq will be forced to play more minutes. Last night he played 30 minutes instead of his usual 20 mpg. If this continues, Diesel will be burned out by the time the postseason starts.

I was over the loss after the final buzzer. (Mamba, post this in the Bandwagon.)
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Seemed like every Laker (with the exception of LO & Sasha) were afraid to shoot the ball from the perimeter.
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Will the Kobe Haters stop with their dumb@$$ trade proposals and rumors of post season contract opt-outs? With last night's L, we see with crystal clear vision how far we'll go without 24 leading the way!
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Shoutout to 131-92 (if he's still around). Have a round of Banner Folder jokes on me!

Jonny boy K,

Quit complaining about the refs you little baby. The refs are not against the Lakers, the refs are just bad. And many times the Lakers benefit from bad calls also. I don't see you defending Fisher any long now that 60 to 70% of the blog has negative comments regarding him !! You wanted me to meet you in an alley. I don't see you calling out the rest of these guys. Now that everyone knows you had no clue what you were talking about !!! I'm starting to see you know next to nothing about NBA basketball. Keep playing your video games
you big athlete you.

I will not watch another Laker game w/o Kobe. It's just too painful to watch Fisher destroy the team. Fisher will be the reason if we lose in the playoffs.

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I DON’T FEEL BAD ABOUT THIS LOSS AT ALL – BANDWAGON
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(01) FAITH – OWNER - Don't despair Laker fans, this team is the real deal. They got poise, they got hunger, & without their best player they still prevail to the best of their ability. With Kobe this team will be nstoppable come playoffs. They know what it takes & they're uber talented to boot. No one can stop us but ourselves.
(02) OMEGA – DRIVER - I was happy with our team so much. How much passion they were playing with & how much grit they had & never gave up all the way to the end. We did loose but you cant lie to your self and say the lakers didnt play good. They played with there heart out.
(03) RICK FRIEDMAN – RIDING SHOTGUN - OK, haters. Still wanna trade Kobe? Huh? Do you? Do you?. The Mamba had a lot of reasons to be proud of his boyz tonight. They say there's no such thing as a moral victory, but this was as close as it gets. Yes, it sucks that we lost. No doubt about it. Shannon will learn from that fatal 4th quarter shot selection. Phil will learn that as much as he loves Fish, he's no longer the guy he once was. Fish's days as Mr. Clutch are over. I like how this team responds to being tested. Come May and June when the chips are on the line, it will take Kobe to bring it all home. We saw a great effort tonight.
(04) #4 - We could have had it, but I think it was more fun watching the Celtics get really worked up, and watching out guys laugh at their silly antics. I enjoyed the game, didn't like the outcome, but I think it was more about the Celtics not living up to their own hype than any problems with the Lakers. One thing's certain....2008 was a long time ago
(05) MAMBA24 – It’s all good! Celt’s played their best and yet even without Kobe we should have and almost did win. FREAKING LA LAKERS I’M PROUD OF YOU!!
(06) VMAN - No problem. It's February. Celtics are irrelevant. They've got no shot at June rematch.
(07) MUD - there's also no need to blame any particular person for the loss. the game wsn't for the championship, as much as i hated to see the loss. now it's time to get right for the next game.
(08) LAKESHOWINPHOENIX - Tough loss for L.A. tonight. They played with a lot of heart.
(09) CALIPHILOSOPHER - Excellent defensive effort tonight. Missed a few open looks, but I really liked our defense. I'd like for use to keep the same intensity when we play next week.
(10) HILTONTOWN - Lots of things to improve, but Team is starting to come together at the right time.
(11) THE OUTLAW - I saw a lot of things I liked tonight. Obviously, some not-so-good things, too. I thought Bynum played with more fire than I've seen in a long time. Lamar was outstanding. Pissed about losing. But I'm always pissed about that. The bigger picture is that this team is poised for a strong run to the finish line. (12) APPOLO C. VERMONT - The good thing about this game was they fought the good fight...they lost the battle in this game but not the war......they are improving a lot...but we still need Kobe.......more than ever....
(13) IHEARTLA - Good game by the lakers without Kobe. They fought hard, but you need your general out there when the game is close.
(14) VCTOR - Lamar was great tonight, and Artest played tough the way we need him to. Tough loss, lots of things to improve, but this team is starting to come together at the right time.
(15) FLOYD - Sure there was some stupid lame errors, in play, in jugement, in subsitutions, and in play calling etc...but still a winnable game.
(16) AARON - If Kobe was in the game... it would have been 100-87. Of course the Lakers aren't as good with out the best player in the league in the game. They still almost beat one of the top contenders in the East. Lakers are going to repeat.
(17) AZTRONUT - This was just another exhibition game, just wait ‘til the real season starts!
(18) JOLLY RANCHER - Did nobody notice the non-calls at home? Be calm, all will be well in 26 games.
(19) CORNERJ - Our guys played with a lot of heart & a lot of energy. They could have folded & simply brushed it off later because Kobe wasn't there, but they fought back every time. They were in it till the end, & were in a position to win it at the end. The fact they didn't doesn't change a thing. They now also better appreciate what Kobe means to themI love this team. I love our chances in the playoffs. GO LAKERS!
(20) DAVE M. I’m on the Bandwagon. the 4th quarter defense was terrific.
(21) EDWIN GUECO - If there is anybody who feels bad on losing against these leprechauns, it would be those long timed Laker fans. We knew it and we have been there in the 60's, 70's and 80's. However, what I have been reading that we are a great even without Kobe is just another stretch of imagination. This team will not gain all these W's without Kobe on the line up. Kobe attracts two guards which frees up Gasol, Lamar or Bynum. - Having said that, I'm still happy with a loss by one only one point, nice effort.
(22) JOHNNYV - Love that the team played tough. I have loved these last five games. I think everyone on the team has had their moment to shine and an opportunity to be "The Man." We can now get back to Kobe Bean Bryant. You can come back now Kobe. We (the team) have now seen who we are. We can play tough, we are capable and we can win. But we aren't a juggernaut without you. It's safe to come back now Kobe. The team has proven their point as have you. We are a good team without you. But you are essential. You can come back now and hold your head up, as can we. Welcome back, now where were we.......
(23) MARK G. - They were never gonna win all the games without Kobe.
(24) LADYJEM24 - It was a hard fought game and although we lost, I take a lot of positivity from the game last night. I am proud of the guys fighting the battle w/their uber warrior in Kobe as a spectator. It's definitely a lesson learned for our guys and that will come in handy come Finals. Just believe.
(25) BOB DYLAN - Without Kobe we now know a) this is a very good team, no ifs ands butts, b) it is good for the laker franchise to have Kobe get some R&R and come back rejuvenated.
(26) DWNTWNATTY - With all these problems, it's remarkable and a credit to our team that we had a shot to win. I also think this game serves as a teachable moment to the fans in regards to the ongoing debate about the quality of Lakers play with/without Kobe. They are a good team that lack a Closer that will get them over the hump against true contenders. No way we lose that game with Kobe in control late in the 4t
(27) EDWIN GUECO - I don't know why others did not appreciate the 1 pt. loss? Why do we need a win in the first place, what are we trying to catch up? There is such thing as a psychological loss, a sacrifice in chess to impart messages on all ends that the real season starts during playoffs, that home court advantage is needed if your team is weak like the Celtics. In the end, all teams who want to be 2010 Champ have to pass through the Lakers and that will be a scary test so they all improved their team up to 3pm yesterday.
(28) CAPS-GOOGLES - I'll take that loss. It's hard to swallow, but when your team plays without it's top scorer & we are 2 botched plays away from winning it, you gotta love that when Mr. Bean gets back, all hell is gonna break loose in the NBA. Mark my words, this team is gonna be ready when the time comes....
(29) utzworld THE BANNER HOLDER –CHAPLAIN - I was over the loss after the final buzzer
(30)

COME ON NOW GUYS, PLAY NICE! PLEASE.
mAMBA24

KOBE BRYANT IN WINDY CITY NEXT SEASON:

Can you imagine if Fisher made that last shot, he's the hero, he's great, he's 0.4 man on a mission. Because he missed the shot, he's an old bum, a useless goat, a no good plantar faciitis!!! lol!

That says it all in life there is a thin red line that separates the good from the bad; the winner from the loser; the genius and the crack pot.

Posted by: Edwin Gueco

Edwin,
You need to at least get close to the rim to hit a shot. The shot missed by about 10 feet..as Fisher has no balance half the time he shoots. And his arc on the ball is ridiculous !!! And anybody who is judging Fisher by one shot going in or not knows nothing about basketball. Watch the man play...he no longer can !!!

BTW, for those who aren't aware, Hinrich wasn't the Lakers "last chance" to improve the PG position this season.

The Lakers can still sign players for another 2 months or so and have them qualify for the playoffs. They just can't trade for anybody.

But if some team cuts a veteran PG with decent defensive skills, it wouldn't surprise me to see the Lakers pick them up for the playoffs. Maybe someone like Larry Hughes. They probably won't get a lot of minutes, barring an injury to one of the Lakers current guards, but it's at least possible to still add players before the playoffs.

Good Morning Charles...Good Morning Everyone...

lots and lots of insightful analysis but I still say it came down to one thing....wait for it...

NINE MISSED FREE THROWS---NINE...HOW MANY....NINE...

make two of those nine and win...

MAKE YOUR FREE THROWS...how about a bandwagon for that Mamba24?

LTLF, making Python (Monty) references (and well used one at that)--I always knew you were amoung the twisted and hip...

"everybody's got something to hide except for me and my monkey"

"maybe I should go back and face the peril. No, it's too perilous."

AS ALWAYS, AS EVER, YET ANOTHER GREAT DAY (AND CHAMPIONSHIP SEASON) TO BE A LAKER FAN !!!

GO LAKERS !!!

Mamba add me to the bandwagon please.

We win in the real season.

Edwin Gueco @8:55 from previous posts. I totally agree with you. There is something going on in this Lakers team. My intuitions are not positive but I am deploying all my positive energy to counter it. Like they always say "winning cures all". Summer of 2010 will bring shockwaves to the entire NBA. Lakers blog will be very busy and Lakerholics will have their hands full.

BTW, a loss to the Celts is not always good, I don't care if it is a meaningless game, a backyard bball, charity event or game 7 of an NBA Finals.

Great article by Vincent Bonsignore. A must read for all Kobe haters!

Well, perhaps I can place a bit of calm on the situation, bring a little reality to our discussion? First, we do need Kobe, I mean come on now! I also agree that he hopefully will spread the passing around some more, like LBJ, but then our guys have to deliver on a consistent basis.
As far as Fisher, I have a great admiration of him, but he really is a shooting guard (although he isn't shooting well and that's what a shooting guard has to do) and we need a point guard that distributes the ball, like Rondo and Nash and Williams and Paul. It's a shame that Farmar seems to also be a shooting-type guard as well. Fish continues to the hoop a couple times a game to get his shot blocked and has little chance to defend the leagues point guards and even last night, Allen, shooting poorly his past few games just torched Fish. It's nothing against Fish, it's just mother-nature that is creeping up on him. It's really PJ that keeps throwing him out there.
I do think, however, when we get to the playoffs (healthy) we will rise to the top, but it may need to be a altered starting lineup.
I wonder about this one at the end of the season and playoffs (in the playoffs, only use 6 to 7 players):

PG-Kobe
SG-Brown
C-Bynum
PF-Artest
SF-Gasol

Reserve-Odom

Reserve with low minutes-Farmar

Reserves with lower minutes-Fish, Powell

I am not a great PJ supporter as all know pretty well. But props this year for being more involved and actually calling time outs.

This game was just PJ sliding into old habits with rotations. He stated during game he wanted to find a unit that worked. We fell behind early and PJ put in the quick lineup and we came back and even got lead.

He went back to ineffective rotation and we lost lead. This was repeated over and over but PJ put the ineffective unit on floor during the 4th.

Don't get me wrong I love Fish for what he brings but all players have off nights and Fish was having a very off night. Sasha was having a way better game both offensively and defensively.

I did not like PJ getting all over SB over missed perimeter shot when Fish was jacking up bricks all night. We relied too much on perimeter shots when LO Pau or Bynum in the post. PJ should have yelled at team to inside outside or inside and inside with penetration. Fish could not hit perimeter shots or make lay ups driving into lane. Sasha got most his points on dribble penetration.

So hopefully PJ will look in mirror and see when he made bad decision on rotations. I truly hope this is temporary setback as overall he has been doing good job this year from previous seasons.

One point, the one play that sticks out in my mind was when Celts had 1 second left and scored on the in-bounds play! We have given that up way too many times! That beats us.

BREAKING NEWS: Kobe to opt out of contract & play on PLUTO next year. Starting Center Mickey Mouse and Power Forward Donald Duck have received the news with gladness and are now the overwhelming favorites to win the NBSA Basketball Championship next year!

Mamba

Pls add me on the bandwagon.. Last nite was still refreshingly pleasant to watch esp because luke is in streetclothes

Our guys fought hard.. Lamar duly impressed and shouldve checked in waaay earlier in the 3rd.. Gasol was fighting back.. Artest shut down wheelchair paula.. Bynum was actually fighting for position in the key.. But when ur best guard is sasha u will never ever win that way

I can't wait to see kobe back in the flow.. I'm sure he's impressed watchin from the outside lookin in and we just may see more of kobe the facilitator in the future

Ps.. And kevin ding I aint done with you!! u better check yoself before you wreck yoself!!



"HEAVY IS THE HEAD THAT WEARS THE CROWN"


A thought came to me last night after I watched the Cleveland-Denver game.
LeBron James took 33 of the total 86 shots for Cleveland and made just 15 of them. LeBron took 38% of the Cavaliers shots last night and made just 45% of them. What would be the reaction and fallout if Daniel "Boobie" Gibson said "I think we need more balance because LeBron is taking too many shots......he needs to find us so we can have a more equal distribution of shots"

Along with that Shaq chimes in with "I got to get more touches out there.....when we're moving the ball and everybody is involved it's much better for us......I just hope LeBron is satisfied with his duel with Carmelo and now we can get back to winning ball games"

Followed by coach Mike Brown with this statement "Sometimes LeBron has to find that balance of when he's shooting too much and when he needs to find his teammates.....I mean 33 shots is a lot and we have to get back to team basketball"

Sounds pretty ridiculous doesn't it? Why does it sound so ridiculous in Cleveland but it's par for the course in L.A?

Phil Jackson, Derek Fisher and Pau Gasol got a taste of their world without Kobe last night as each looked horrible down the stretch last night as they resembled the keystone cops.

PHIL JACKSON:

There was no scapegoat for Phil tonight as he was exposed as a man without a plan (Jeanie please take notes). What was that play call last night for Fisher? Words are inadequate to describe how inept Phil's coaching was last night ......I know it's like beating a dead horse but it has to be said.....Phil is a horrible X and O coach and without his bail out Kobe Bryant in hand he was really exposed out there as he called the same play he's used for over nearly 20 years.......Has Phil EVER called a play to get someone an open shot? Popovich does it all the time.......Oh well


DEREK FISHER:

After 25 minutes of horrible play this is what his stats looked like......1/9 from the field........0/3 from 3 pt line..........1 assist......and 3 points!! Sadly this doesn't give a true indication of just how horrible he was last night as Ray Allen and Rondo both ordered Fillet O Fish sandwiches at will .........Why does this guy talk so much.........and why are we listening?


PAU GASOL:

There was no Kobe Bryant around this time to blame as Pau is developing similar scapegoating characteristics as his coach. Do you still need more touches after you could only muster 12 shot attempts last night? What about the shot attempt you did have but you opted to find a cutting Brown instead and threw it out of bounds? This was ANOTHER disappearing act by Gasol in clutch time against a top opponent........Maybe you'll do some introspection and heed Kobe's advice instead of throwing darts.......it's time to Man Up!!

SUGGESTED READING FOR THESE 3 JACKSON, FISHER AND BROWN?

Shakespears' Henry IV


QUOTE TO STUDY?

"Uneasy lies the head that wears a crown" (later morphed into the above quote)


Hopefully after inheriting Kobe's crown for a night........you will think twice before complaining about Kobe's shot attempts........HOPEFULLY

I'm sorry I meant Jackson, Fisher and GASOL

I've got a bandwagon for ya, it's the THANK GOD CARMELO HIT THAT SHOT bandwagon... otherwise, we would have missed the entire first half of the Laker game... I HATE that! I'd rather they do a split screen with both games on than block out local tv coverage and then not even show the game we want to see until the previous one has finished and Marv "the biter" Albert & The Tijuana Brass, reads through 20 minutes of credits nobody cares about...

DFish,

Try to consider there is a man in front of you, now start counting.... a thousand one, a thousand two...two seconds is over, how can u drive effectively? Derek was trying to foul bait but did not work bec. refs don't want to decide the outcome by free throws.

The only thing I ask, we heard your pains on Fisher. We are at the mid season, Kupchak could not drop him off from the roster just like that, he has to earn the 5.5M contract by playing. Be nice to old people, someday you will become old too, give the senior citizens the road for driving slow, it is better to wait than being run over by them. lol!

Also, in my opinion (only), you're barking at the wrong tree with ur endless war path with Jon K. Jon K just defends Fisher from your round house kicks from left and right. Address the problem to Phil Jackson by writing to their El Segundo training gym. He is the guy responsible for the rotation of players. Wish we can help Fisher retire early but while he's playing, we have to live with it.

Whatever we say here, stays here in the blog. We are lucky if the Lakers ball boy, the Lakers bus driver or Lakers pilot read our posts, therefore our anger and angst may just be an exercise in futility to fight the majority and to declare war because Fisher missed the shot! Once you made your point, it is time to look outward, give peace a chance and forget being fishy all day. It is time to bury that hatchet, instead throw some new ideas - plant a seed of wisdom to witness growth of a fruitful Spring full of confidence.

After Good Friday comes Easter Sunday, after a long evening there will always be mornings. Even our Native Americans turned off their fire from candle light in anticipation the coming dawn.

Give peace a chance lit the peace pipe with Jon K.

I must admit the Celtics played great defense; so great that the Lakers could not even make their free throws w/o any hands on their face.
It was a disgusting performance by the Lakers; they really deserved that loss; Celts did not beat them, looked like they were eager to beat themselves.

Jeanette,

"BTW, a loss to the Celts is not always good, I don't care if it is a meaningless game, a backyard bball, charity event or game 7 of an NBA Finals."

Win or loss, don't trust leprechauns. You don't get anything nice from them. That angry face of Kendrick Perkins sums up the face of the team. I don't see this kid smile, always with bloodhound stare ready for a kill. Well what do you expect from a team that was formed by jerks like the puffing smoke, smoke late Red, the sinister GM Danny Ainge. You will see, even a lovable guy like Nate Robinson will soon turn out into a jerk. It is the leprechauns way of life - to be a jerk!

jackson knew exactly what he was doing. he's trying to lose the game so that kobe can start feeling good about himself again and the team shouldn't get too big a headed on winner without their star.
why do you think fisher donated 20 plus points to allen?

That was a very disappointing loss. To work that hard just to lose in the end. I wondered why Jackson took out Pau in the 4th when they were up by four and playing really well. They proceeded to go scoreless for over four minutes during gasol's absence. When Pau came back in he wasn't agressinve and din't act like "the man" he claims he wants to be. He passes the ball to brown who is under the basket and has no place to go? If you want to be the man act like one. It takes a once in a lifetime player to do what Kobe does at the end of games so to hear Pau (as great as he is) demand the ball more is laughable since he passes it once he gets it. Do you think Mamba would have made that pass to brown? No, that's why he's Kobe and Pau is the number two, and Pau surely knows that now. Can't wait to have the man back, they certainly need him.


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I DON’T FEEL BAD ABOUT THIS LOSS AT ALL – BANDWAGON
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(01) FAITH – OWNER - Don't despair Laker fans, this team is the real deal. They got poise, they got hunger, & without their best player they still prevail to the best of their ability. With Kobe this team will be nstoppable come playoffs. They know what it takes & they're uber talented to boot. No one can stop us but ourselves.
(02) OMEGA – DRIVER - I was happy with our team so much. How much passion they were playing with & how much grit they had & never gave up all the way to the end. We did loose but you cant lie to your self and say the lakers didnt play good. They played with there heart out.
(03) RICK FRIEDMAN – RIDING SHOTGUN - OK, haters. Still wanna trade Kobe? Huh? Do you? Do you?. The Mamba had a lot of reasons to be proud of his boyz tonight. They say there's no such thing as a moral victory, but this was as close as it gets. Yes, it sucks that we lost. No doubt about it. Shannon will learn from that fatal 4th quarter shot selection. Phil will learn that as much as he loves Fish, he's no longer the guy he once was. Fish's days as Mr. Clutch are over. I like how this team responds to being tested. Come May and June when the chips are on the line, it will take Kobe to bring it all home. We saw a great effort tonight.
(04) #4 - We could have had it, but I think it was more fun watching the Celtics get really worked up, and watching out guys laugh at their silly antics. I enjoyed the game, didn't like the outcome, but I think it was more about the Celtics not living up to their own hype than any problems with the Lakers. One thing's certain....2008 was a long time ago
(05) MAMBA24 – It’s all good! Celt’s played their best and yet even without Kobe we should have and almost did win. FREAKING LA LAKERS I’M PROUD OF YOU!!
(06) VMAN - No problem. It's February. Celtics are irrelevant. They've got no shot at June rematch.
(07) MUD - there's also no need to blame any particular person for the loss. the game wsn't for the championship, as much as i hated to see the loss. now it's time to get right for the next game.
(08) LAKESHOWINPHOENIX - Tough loss for L.A. tonight. They played with a lot of heart.
(09) CALIPHILOSOPHER - Excellent defensive effort tonight. Missed a few open looks, but I really liked our defense. I'd like for use to keep the same intensity when we play next week.
(10) HILTONTOWN - Lots of things to improve, but Team is starting to come together at the right time.
(11) THE OUTLAW - I saw a lot of things I liked tonight. Obviously, some not-so-good things, too. I thought Bynum played with more fire than I've seen in a long time. Lamar was outstanding. Pissed about losing. But I'm always pissed about that. The bigger picture is that this team is poised for a strong run to the finish line. (12) APPOLO C. VERMONT - The good thing about this game was they fought the good fight...they lost the battle in this game but not the war......they are improving a lot...but we still need Kobe.......more than ever....
(13) IHEARTLA - Good game by the lakers without Kobe. They fought hard, but you need your general out there when the game is close.
(14) VCTOR - Lamar was great tonight, and Artest played tough the way we need him to. Tough loss, lots of things to improve, but this team is starting to come together at the right time.
(15) FLOYD - Sure there was some stupid lame errors, in play, in jugement, in subsitutions, and in play calling etc...but still a winnable game.
(16) AARON - If Kobe was in the game... it would have been 100-87. Of course the Lakers aren't as good with out the best player in the league in the game. They still almost beat one of the top contenders in the East. Lakers are going to repeat.
(17) AZTRONUT - This was just another exhibition game, just wait ‘til the real season starts!
(18) JOLLY RANCHER - Did nobody notice the non-calls at home? Be calm, all will be well in 26 games.
(19) CORNERJ - Our guys played with a lot of heart & a lot of energy. They could have folded & simply brushed it off later because Kobe wasn't there, but they fought back every time. They were in it till the end, & were in a position to win it at the end. The fact they didn't doesn't change a thing. They now also better appreciate what Kobe means to themI love this team. I love our chances in the playoffs. GO LAKERS!
(20) DAVE M. I’m on the Bandwagon. the 4th quarter defense was terrific.
(21) EDWIN GUECO - If there is anybody who feels bad on losing against these leprechauns, it would be those long timed Laker fans. We knew it and we have been there in the 60's, 70's and 80's. However, what I have been reading that we are a great even without Kobe is just another stretch of imagination. This team will not gain all these W's without Kobe on the line up. Kobe attracts two guards which frees up Gasol, Lamar or Bynum. - Having said that, I'm still happy with a loss by one only one point, nice effort.
(22) JOHNNYV - Love that the team played tough. I have loved these last five games. I think everyone on the team has had their moment to shine and an opportunity to be "The Man." We can now get back to Kobe Bean Bryant. You can come back now Kobe. We (the team) have now seen who we are. We can play tough, we are capable and we can win. But we aren't a juggernaut without you. It's safe to come back now Kobe. The team has proven their point as have you. We are a good team without you. But you are essential. You can come back now and hold your head up, as can we. Welcome back, now where were we.......
(23) MARK G. - They were never gonna win all the games without Kobe.
(24) LADYJEM24 - It was a hard fought game and although we lost, I take a lot of positivity from the game last night. I am proud of the guys fighting the battle w/their uber warrior in Kobe as a spectator. It's definitely a lesson learned for our guys and that will come in handy come Finals. Just believe.
(25) BOB DYLAN - Without Kobe we now know a) this is a very good team, no ifs ands butts, b) it is good for the laker franchise to have Kobe get some R&R and come back rejuvenated.
(26) DWNTWNATTY - With all these problems, it's remarkable and a credit to our team that we had a shot to win. I also think this game serves as a teachable moment to the fans in regards to the ongoing debate about the quality of Lakers play with/without Kobe. They are a good team that lack a Closer that will get them over the hump against true contenders. No way we lose that game with Kobe in control late in the 4t
(27) EDWIN GUECO - I don't know why others did not appreciate the 1 pt. loss? Why do we need a win in the first place, what are we trying to catch up? There is such thing as a psychological loss, a sacrifice in chess to impart messages on all ends that the real season starts during playoffs, that home court advantage is needed if your team is weak like the Celtics. In the end, all teams who want to be 2010 Champ have to pass through the Lakers and that will be a scary test so they all improved their team up to 3pm yesterday.
(28) CAPS-GOOGLES - I'll take that loss. It's hard to swallow, but when your team plays without it's top scorer & we are 2 botched plays away from winning it, you gotta love that when Mr. Bean gets back, all hell is gonna break loose in the NBA. Mark my words, this team is gonna be ready when the time comes....
(29) utzworld THE BANNER HOLDER –CHAPLAIN - I was over the loss after the final buzzer
(30) JUSTALAKAFAN - We win in the real season.
(31)

AZTRONUT… Very interesting post about DER. Not quite sure how meaningful the stat is. The only player defensive stat that I ever thought was meaningful was a calculation of the PER of opponents when a player was guarding them versus their overall number. Never found a site that calculated that on an ongoing basis. That was the one individual defensive stat that I thought made great sense, actually better than PER itself.
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Nice game summary but man, you have WAY too much time on your hands, AZ. LOL! Let’s see how you hold up over the entire season. It would be like Mamba24 doing the Roll Call from scratch for every game.
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PEACE… I have to agree 100% with you that DFish’s posts are rude, mean, disrespectful, and clearly show that he is NOT the kind of Lakers fan with which most of us would enjoy spending time. Regardless of how poorly Derek is playing right now (and I for one would give Farmar a chance to start the rest of the season), a good fan should always respect the players on the team, especially one who has been a mighty contributor to 4 NBA championships. Makes you wonder how the guy treats his wife and kids. One rude dude with ‘tude.
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MEB… I have to admit I was a little worried about Shannon after his great game against the Warriors. Thought the kid might get a swelled head thinking he was Kobe. Both he and Farmar had subpar games bricking 3-pointer after 3-pointer. In the end, though, it was the damn free throws that did us in.
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DKWSFO… I have to admit I have also reached the point where I think we would be better off starting Farmar and bringing Fish off the bench. We need to see what kind of performance we would get from Jordan as the starter. I think his speed would really give the starting lineup a boost and make up for the loss of Ariza.
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I am more convinced than ever that Drew has not completely recovered physically or mentally from his injuries. No way is his jumping like he did before the injuries. We may get a tease here and there but the Beast will probably not be there until next year. In the meantime, the Beastling may be enough for us to win it all again. I was impressed with Denver’s win over Cleveland, however, so we may have a tough Western Conference Finals as well as the NBA Finals. I still like us to win it all, however, even if Drew is a Beastling.
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VICTOR… Always glad to see a lurker turn into a poster. Excellent points about Pau. He showed some good signs with strong finishes at the rim early in the game but that was definitely a “weenie” pass to Shannon, who really was not open underneath the rim. We need Pau to be tougher at the end. As for Phil’s weird substitution pattern, it’s almost as if he likes to pull out anybody who is hot so that they cool off. LOL!
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FAITH… I was thinking about you when Sasha came in and played very well. Hope you haven’t let his rough season dull your love and enthusiasm for the Lakers. And you are right, we will be fine. This is just the long grind of the regular season causing the doubters and haters to overreact. The Machine looked good.
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NEMAIA… Thanks for saving me the aggravation of having to respond to another of Blitz’s myopic, illogic hater posts. You can be sure the guy never once has cheered when Bynum made a good play. We were better off when all he was obsessed with were his reminiscences about MJ and how much tougher defenses were. At least then the guy made some sense. Now he is just a remnant and embarrassment of his former self.
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Then there is the other Bynum Basher twin, hobbitmage. who always surrounds the first person singular pronoun with asterisks to emphasize how important HIS opinion is. You can count on the two of them chiming in with more vitriol and hate. At least Blitz doesn’t deliberately fabricate phony quotes like his buddy. Can you imagine actually watching a game with these two fools? That’s a double fault for sure.
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MAMBA24… Please put me on the Don’t Feel Bad Bandwagon. It’s just 1 of 82 regular season games as the 62-14 bandwagon attests. Keep up the great work, Larry. You are greatly appreciated.
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JOHNNYV… “It is unfortunate that we are burning one of the Mamba's Championship years because of it.” With great respect, I have to disagree with you on the above statement. Two points: First, I think that Jerry Buss stepping up and paying $25M more in payroll and taxes than last year is a far cry from burning one of Kobe’s championship years. The ONLY way this team makes a profit (per Jerry, the championship brought in $30-40M in profits last year) is if the team repeats. Any other finish and the Lakers lose money. Asking Buss and the team to take on another big salary for a point guard would have been a poor financial m0ve – not to mention that Hinrich or Harris would not have been much of an upgrade over Fish.
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Second, I think you are greatly underestimating Jordan Farmar, although he played terribly last night. I still contend that he will be our starting point guard by next year and will come at a much more affordable price than anybody else out there. I think his speed would really replace what our starting lineup lost with Ariza.
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MARK MEDINA… Excellent comment back to dj855. If there is anything missing from your performance as the blog moderator, it’s well timed comments like this one that tend to bring reason back into the argument. Let’s see more of the same going forward. Otherwise, you rock and the KamBros have nothing on you.
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I DON’T FEEL BAD ABOUT THIS LOSS AT ALL – BANDWAGON
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(01) FAITH – OWNER - Don't despair Laker fans, this team is the real deal. They got poise, they got hunger, & without their best player they still prevail to the best of their ability. With Kobe this team will be nstoppable come playoffs. They know what it takes & they're uber talented to boot. No one can stop us but ourselves.
(02) OMEGA – DRIVER - I was happy with our team so much. How much passion they were playing with & how much grit they had & never gave up all the way to the end. We did loose but you cant lie to your self and say the lakers didnt play good. They played with there heart out.
(03) RICK FRIEDMAN – RIDING SHOTGUN - OK, haters. Still wanna trade Kobe? Huh? Do you? Do you?. The Mamba had a lot of reasons to be proud of his boyz tonight. They say there's no such thing as a moral victory, but this was as close as it gets. Yes, it sucks that we lost. No doubt about it. Shannon will learn from that fatal 4th quarter shot selection. Phil will learn that as much as he loves Fish, he's no longer the guy he once was. Fish's days as Mr. Clutch are over. I like how this team responds to being tested. Come May and June when the chips are on the line, it will take Kobe to bring it all home. We saw a great effort tonight.
(04) #4 - We could have had it, but I think it was more fun watching the Celtics get really worked up, and watching out guys laugh at their silly antics. I enjoyed the game, didn't like the outcome, but I think it was more about the Celtics not living up to their own hype than any problems with the Lakers. One thing's certain....2008 was a long time ago
(05) MAMBA24 – It’s all good! Celt’s played their best and yet even without Kobe we should have and almost did win. FREAKING LA LAKERS I’M PROUD OF YOU!!
(06) VMAN - No problem. It's February. Celtics are irrelevant. They've got no shot at June rematch.
(07) MUD - there's also no need to blame any particular person for the loss. the game wsn't for the championship, as much as i hated to see the loss. now it's time to get right for the next game.
(08) LAKESHOWINPHOENIX - Tough loss for L.A. tonight. They played with a lot of heart.
(09) CALIPHILOSOPHER - Excellent defensive effort tonight. Missed a few open looks, but I really liked our defense. I'd like for use to keep the same intensity when we play next week.
(10) HILTONTOWN - Lots of things to improve, but Team is starting to come together at the right time.
(11) THE OUTLAW - I saw a lot of things I liked tonight. Obviously, some not-so-good things, too. I thought Bynum played with more fire than I've seen in a long time. Lamar was outstanding. Pissed about losing. But I'm always pissed about that. The bigger picture is that this team is poised for a strong run to the finish line. (12) APPOLO C. VERMONT - The good thing about this game was they fought the good fight...they lost the battle in this game but not the war......they are improving a lot...but we still need Kobe.......more than ever....
(13) IHEARTLA - Good game by the lakers without Kobe. They fought hard, but you need your general out there when the game is close.
(14) VCTOR - Lamar was great tonight, and Artest played tough the way we need him to. Tough loss, lots of things to improve, but this team is starting to come together at the right time.
(15) FLOYD - Sure there was some stupid lame errors, in play, in jugement, in subsitutions, and in play calling etc...but still a winnable game.
(16) AARON - If Kobe was in the game... it would have been 100-87. Of course the Lakers aren't as good with out the best player in the league in the game. They still almost beat one of the top contenders in the East. Lakers are going to repeat.
(17) AZTRONUT - This was just another exhibition game, just wait ‘til the real season starts!
(18) JOLLY RANCHER - Did nobody notice the non-calls at home? Be calm, all will be well in 26 games.
(19) CORNERJ - Our guys played with a lot of heart & a lot of energy. They could have folded & simply brushed it off later because Kobe wasn't there, but they fought back every time. They were in it till the end, & were in a position to win it at the end. The fact they didn't doesn't change a thing. They now also better appreciate what Kobe means to themI love this team. I love our chances in the playoffs. GO LAKERS!
(20) DAVE M. I’m on the Bandwagon. the 4th quarter defense was terrific.
(21) EDWIN GUECO - If there is anybody who feels bad on losing against these leprechauns, it would be those long timed Laker fans. We knew it and we have been there in the 60's, 70's and 80's. However, what I have been reading that we are a great even without Kobe is just another stretch of imagination. This team will not gain all these W's without Kobe on the line up. Kobe attracts two guards which frees up Gasol, Lamar or Bynum. - Having said that, I'm still happy with a loss by one only one point, nice effort.
(22) JOHNNYV - Love that the team played tough. I have loved these last five games. I think everyone on the team has had their moment to shine and an opportunity to be "The Man." We can now get back to Kobe Bean Bryant. You can come back now Kobe. We (the team) have now seen who we are. We can play tough, we are capable and we can win. But we aren't a juggernaut without you. It's safe to come back now Kobe. The team has proven their point as have you. We are a good team without you. But you are essential. You can come back now and hold your head up, as can we. Welcome back, now where were we.......
(23) MARK G. - They were never gonna win all the games without Kobe.
(24) LADYJEM24 - It was a hard fought game and although we lost, I take a lot of positivity from the game last night. I am proud of the guys fighting the battle w/their uber warrior in Kobe as a spectator. It's definitely a lesson learned for our guys and that will come in handy come Finals. Just believe.
(25) BOB DYLAN - Without Kobe we now know a) this is a very good team, no ifs ands butts, b) it is good for the laker franchise to have Kobe get some R&R and come back rejuvenated.
(26) DWNTWNATTY - With all these problems, it's remarkable and a credit to our team that we had a shot to win. I also think this game serves as a teachable moment to the fans in regards to the ongoing debate about the quality of Lakers play with/without Kobe. They are a good team that lack a Closer that will get them over the hump against true contenders. No way we lose that game with Kobe in control late in the 4t
(27) EDWIN GUECO - I don't know why others did not appreciate the 1 pt. loss? Why do we need a win in the first place, what are we trying to catch up? There is such thing as a psychological loss, a sacrifice in chess to impart messages on all ends that the real season starts during playoffs, that home court advantage is needed if your team is weak like the Celtics. In the end, all teams who want to be 2010 Champ have to pass through the Lakers and that will be a scary test so they all improved their team up to 3pm yesterday.
(28) CAPS-GOOGLES - I'll take that loss. It's hard to swallow, but when your team plays without it's top scorer & we are 2 botched plays away from winning it, you gotta love that when Mr. Bean gets back, all hell is gonna break loose in the NBA. Mark my words, this team is gonna be ready when the time comes....
(29) utzworld THE BANNER HOLDER –CHAPLAIN - I was over the loss after the final buzzer
(30) JUSTALAKAFAN - We win in the real season.
(31) YELLOW-FEVER - Last nite was still refreshingly pleasant to watch esp because luke is in streetclothes. Our guys fought hard.. Lamar duly impressed and shouldve checked in waaay earlier in the 3rd.. Gasol was fighting back.. Artest shut down wheelchair paula.. Bynum was actually fighting for position in the key.. But when ur best guard is sasha u will never ever win that way I can't wait to see kobe back in the flow.. I'm sure he's impressed watchin from the outside lookin in and we just may see more of kobe the facilitator in the future


This blog is fun, some, most of you are very clever! I know, I know, one more Fish point. I, for one, don't dislike him at all. I would like it if he could defend and make shots, but he's not capable of doing that on any type of consistent basis any longer. If you have been watching all season, you have to see that he isn't shooting well and has really never been a real point guard, racking up 10 assists a game (which is my definition of a point guard). He continues to get his shots blocked when he tries for layups. Gets torched by most all he tries to defend. He deteriorating plays is getting old (no pun intended) and costly. Someone made the point that PJ is at fault for playing him as a started and minutes. As much as it pains me to say it, Championship has to win out over loyalty (in Pro Sports). Like would I trade Derek Jeter for Hanley Ramirez? Sorry DJ! Now I really feel bad! Later guys and gals.

Edwin

Reason I don't like the Celt's. They are all ugly (pardon my language). 2008 Finals loss to them I cannot forget, I'm like Kobe, I want to see them again in the Finals with KG, RA, Pierce and Perkins. I have no mercy for them. I just hope that Pau, LO , AB and the rest will man up, I can count on Kobe and Artest.

Got into my closet this morning and pulled out both bobble heads of Derek Fisher and promptly pulled off there heads.


Done with Fish he is now in the same catagory of Lakers favorites such as Smush and Kwame. The pain I had to endure to watch Kwame and Smush play is back again with Fish. It's like PJ wants to torture us Laker Fan and not let anyone know how good they really are.


BD

Ode to Fish
Ya know, I really dont like what PJ is doing to Fish. I mean, I really like Fish, he has done so much, hit big shots, gotten the important charge, has been a steadying influence on the team, helped bring Kobe along, been a durable player, more things than I can remember. I really like Fish, but making him play past his prime, making him play when he is so obviously just not the same player he used to be, I mean Phil, what are you doing?

The thing is, I hate to have these good memories of Fish replaced with what is happening now as we all have a tendency to remember whats most recent. Cant we let Fish keep some dignity by using him less minutes in less important situations? Its not Fish's fault, the coach puts him in, the coach keeps him as a starter, and Fish is a team player, he says you got it coach. He tries, its painfully obvious Fish is trying to make something happen, its just not there anymore.

I just dont get what Phil is thinking.

Imagine if Fish was out with the sprained ankle instead of Kobe, would last nights game have even come down to requiring a last second shot? Not likely.
I just wish we could get the Fish minutes cut down so we could let him maintain the good legacy that he deserves.

LakerTom,

"Very interesting post about DER. Not quite sure how meaningful the stat is. The only player defensive stat that I ever thought was meaningful was a calculation of the PER of opponents when a player was guarding them versus their overall number. Never found a site that calculated that on an ongoing basis. That was the one individual defensive stat that I thought made great sense, actually better than PER itself."

Thanks for reading, I kind of tried to bury it where I figured only the true dumpster divers around here would see it, no offense intended. It was just something I did up on a whim and I really do think it makes sense logically, but then I guess that you can still get garbage out sometimes even when you don't put garbage in, ~GIGO.

"Nice game summary but man, you have WAY too much time on your hands, AZ. LOL! Let’s see how you hold up over the entire season. It would be like Mamba24 doing the Roll Call from scratch for every game."

Actually, I don't really have all that much free time but I haven't been sleeping too well lately so I tend to get up and write, or at least think about things to write. As I told JohnnyV in a previous reply, it will get condensed as the process evolves and I teach myself a little discipline regarding what I'm trying to accomplish. I don't intend to do one up for every game but it is kind of fun, and I haven't been missing any of the action lately at least...

Thanks again for another of your always well reasoned responses.

@LAKERTOM, As always I'm humbled by your kindness sir. Thank you!
Mamba24

JOHNNYV… “It is unfortunate that we are burning one of the Mamba's Championship years because of it.” With great respect, I have to disagree with you on the above statement. Two points: First, I think that Jerry Buss stepping up and paying $25M more in payroll and taxes than last year is a far cry from burning one of Kobe’s championship years. The ONLY way this team makes a profit (per Jerry, the championship brought in $30-40M in profits last year) is if the team repeats. Any other finish and the Lakers lose money. Asking Buss and the team to take on another big salary for a point guard would have been a poor financial m0ve – not to mention that Hinrich or Harris would not have been much of an upgrade over Fish.
Posted by LakerTom

You are 100% right in your comment about Mr Jerry Buss. He came up HUGE. As I recall, this last summer you and I both seemed to feel that if he didn't step up with the money to re-sign Lamar that we couldn't blame him. Yet that's just what he did!

We are very fortunate that he owns the Lakers and that he is so generous. In fact, he has always been that way. It was the same when Magic was playing too.

LongTimeLakerFan,

"But if some team cuts a veteran PG with decent defensive skills, it wouldn't surprise me to see the Lakers pick them up for the playoffs. Maybe someone like Larry Hughes. They probably won't get a lot of minutes, barring an injury to one of the Lakers current guards, but it's at least possible to still add players before the playoffs."

It would sure surprise me. What with all the whining and gnashing of teeth that seems to be going on over the Lakers status vis-a-vis the salary cap. Not just in the Lakers front office but also around and from atop the league's power structure. I really don't expect the Lakers to drop even a measly million or so to have someone sit on the bench as a defensive specialist, since their not gonna be able to learn to fit into the offense in time for the playoffs.

I DON’T FEEL BAD ABOUT THIS LOSS AT ALL
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Don’t feel bad about this loss at all, A Win was as close as a Referee’s call
Even with no Mamba in to play, we almost beat the Celts anyway
This was just a wake up call, That we need the Black Mamba “ya’ll”
But we don’t need him to hurry back, We need him for the Playoffs that’s a fact.
This game was good for the Lakers sake, It builds confidence when Kobe takes a break.
It is what it is & what it is is not a win, but we’ll be OK when Mambas playing again
Regular season & playoffs are different things, you can’t go out & add a star & buy a Ring
A Ring is won during close wins & loss, when you know who has your back at all cost
You can’t just bring a Jamison in, without being battle tested & think you will win.
As it was in the beginning so it is today, You got to win your title the old fashion way
To win the title you got to slay the King, The King is the Lakers & they’re keeping the Ring
Nothing in what I said is new, We’re the Freaking Champion Lakers who the hell are you
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WHY DOES FISH DRIVE TO THE BASKET?

He's done this his WHOLE career; he NEVER makes it or even comes close to making it he just wants the foul!

I love Fisher but jeez he is horrible sometimes! That isn't disrespectful it is the truth. NO ONE can argue about the driving to the basket! What he brings is leadership and direction and he usually never makes a turnover in crunch time. I cringe when he shoots but I yell when he drives to the basket!

FISHER STOP DRIVING TO THE BASKET PLEASE NOT ONE MORE TIME THIS YEAR!
How about a bandwagon for those who want to see Farmar start!

For all you ShamWoW fans, he had one good game against the worst defensive team in the league!

“No excuses, I should’ve made ‘em,” Brown said. “I just missed. It happens.”

It just happens for him a lot of the time that he jacks up shots! Not to mention the turnovers and other crucial mistakes he made in the 4th quarter! He is what he is people an ok role player who shouldn’t ever see more than 20 minutes.

Reason I don't like the Celt's. They are all ugly (pardon my language). 2008 Finals loss to them I cannot forget, I'm like Kobe, I want to see them again in the Finals with KG, RA, Pierce and Perkins. I have no mercy for them. I just hope that Pau, LO , AB and the rest will man up, I can count on Kobe and Artest.
Posted by: Jeanette | February 19, 2010 at 02:25 PM

PREACH SISTER PREACH!!
MAMBA24

Fish's game against Boston said it all.

Scorched on defense.
PJ had him guard Ray Allen because
he knew Rondo would smoke him.

Offense?

Zero.

pfunk36

I have the same observation regarding LBJ and the Cavs and how the media never criticize LBJ for this just because he got more assists? Reason why rest of Cavs, including the coaching staff never complain is because they believe that King makes no mistakes. They are at his mercy, their job security start and end with LBJ.

Personally, I did not like how Pau, Fisher, PJ conduct themselves in addressing the issue regarding shot distribution, especially Pau. I hope that by now they realize that it is not easy to wear the crown. Pau's comments "now we can focus on winning games". Kobe's comments "I won a ring because of Pau" paraphrasing here, tells more of what's going on. On that GQ interview, Kobe mentioned that he learned so much about the fued with Shaq. He sure did learn a lot.

pfunk36,

again u hit the nail on the head,I'm suprised no one commented on your post as yet.. o btw Kobe only took 28 shots..lol.. but it is sad that no one else had anything to say guess if it was a win the Kobe-haters would be out in droves..that's just the problem around here people choose to post nonsense about trading Kobe or whatever an when they have to eat their words no one shows up.
just like fishers horrible play people act as if it was just one game..but he has played badly 90 no 95% of the season.. an also about the trade la wanted to shed some sort of salery so I don't know about pickups but I guess we'll see..

On another note well not completely unrelated but who gives a rat's @55 bout tiger looking like he's all strung out or something, is he really sorry or just sorry he got caught... he didn't get accused of a crime like someone else we all know..
the only reason I brought it up was cause that's the first thing I saw on latimes he needs to put his cap back on...
then the media uses this to bring back up Kobe...first thing I saw on msn..get over that crap already....

LakerTom,

you wrote: Then there is the other Bynum Basher twin, hobbitmage. who always surrounds the first person singular pronoun with asterisks to emphasize how important HIS opinion is. You can count on the two of them chiming in with more vitriol and hate. At least Blitz doesn’t deliberately fabricate phony quotes like his buddy. Can you imagine actually watching a game with these two fools? That’s a double fault for sure.

my response: I've moved up in the world? Before I was a baiter. Now I'm a
basher? Sweetness!

Hobbit bash LakerTom. Hobbit bash Bynum kool-aid drinker. Fear &
tremble at the wrath of the diminutive hobbitmage. I'll bite your kneecap.

You have the logic skills of a busted commoder64 & the grace of a stuffed
pigeon flattened by a semi.

And that's "Fool of a Took" to you BynumTom.

This blog is fun, some, most of you are very clever! I know, I know, one more Fish point. I, for one, don't dislike him at all. I would like it if he could defend and make shots, but he's not capable of doing that on any type of consistent basis any longer. If you have been watching all season, you have to see that he isn't shooting well and has really never been a real point guard, racking up 10 assists a game (which is my definition of a point guard). He continues to get his shots blocked when he tries for layups. Gets torched by most all he tries to defend. He deteriorating plays is getting old (no pun intended) and costly. Someone made the point that PJ is at fault for playing him as a started and minutes. As much as it pains me to say it, Championship has to win out over loyalty (in Pro Sports). Like would I trade Derek Jeter for Hanley Ramirez? Sorry DJ! Now I really feel bad! Later guys and gals.

Posted by: DJ | February 19, 2010 at 02:05 PM

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The Triangle PG is a totally different species from your traditional PG (Tex even refers to the position as a 'Push Guard' -- you push the ball across the court and then make the post pass).

Look at the assists per game of the starting PG's of the ten championship teams:
90-91 Bulls - Paxson - 3.6 APG
91-92 Bulls - Paxson - 3.1 APG
92-93 Bulls - BJ Armstrong - 4.0 APG
95-96 Bulls - Harper - 2.6 APG
96-97 Bulls - Harper - 2.5 APG
97-98 Bulls - Harper - 2.9 APG
99-00 Lakers - Harper - 3.4 APG
00-01 Lakers - Harper - 2.4 APG
01-02 Lakers - L. Hunter - 1.6 APG, Dfish - 2.6 APG
08-09 Lakers - Dfish - 3.2 APG

So all of these champion Triangle PG's would fail by your definition of 10 APG, right?

The other common denominator among these PG's is that they were all veterans in their 30's except for BJ Armstrong (although he was already a 6-year veteran with two championship rings when he got the starting position).

I understand your heartbreak.

You guys all thought LA would win last night just because we didn`t have time to suit up the newly acquired Marcus Landry.

Always remember...never, ever, ever underestimate the heart of a champion!

You can hardly blame this loss of Fish. It took a team effort to play that bad on offense in the second half of the 4th. They are simply lost on offense at times without their great leader. I've been watching the Lakers for over 30 years and FISH is the one I would have wanted to take that shot too given the circumstances and no Kobe. Do you forget what he did last year in the playoffs? Fish is a role player and he's certainly not what he once was but his character, toughness, leadership, and ability to hit clutch shots make him a valuable piece of the team. Don't diss the Fish, he's a geat Laker and he may have struggled last night, and he may be struggling this year, but we (real laker fans) will all be cheering his name and saying FFFFFFFIIIIIISSSSSHHHHH at least once this playoff time after one of his patented clutch shots, and then you will realize what PJ knows and you don't. Go FISH, don't listen to the badnwagon, short memory having haters.

I HATE the Lakers losing to the Celtics. I hate Boston, all their stupid sports team. I hate leprechauns, don't eat lucky charms. My wife is Irish, but I won't let her have any 4-leaf clovers or anything that has ever been on a Celtic uniform or in that rat-infested dump 'Boston Garden' (yes, it's a new Boston Garden, same old rats though). I hate the color green, to this day I won't wear it. In short I HATE THE CELTICS!

OK, all that being said, if there was ever a 'good' loss to the Celtics, this was it! Why? I'll tell you:

* This game comes right on the start of a 4-day holiday. This surely gives the coaching staff a lot to chew out the team with, lots of reviewing and practicing on what went wrong (the whole myriad of things that did that game).

* This game would have been won if Kobe had suited up. Celtics can take no victory over a 1-pt victory based on a faulty end-of-game call over a Lakers team that was without the best player in the league in which they were shut-down the whole end of the fourth quarter.

* It shows Pau, D-Fish and others that had whined about not getting enough touches before Kobe went down, they really do need Kobe. If they really want the ball then DEMAND it, like Shaq would down in the post during his Laker days. DEMAND THE BALL, then score! It's easy! Don't whine, DEMAND THEN SCORE!

* It clears up just WHY Kobe takes all those last-second shots. It also clears up WHY OTHERS DON'T. No offense to D-Fish who has become a chip-off-Horry's-block, but some of the reasons he gets a chance to hit the clutch shots he has is because so much defensive emphasis is put upon Kobe. If there is one thing the Lakers can learn from the Celtics, it's those inbound situations with clock/shot-clock down to a second or so. They are masterful at those, Phil shouldn't put D-Fish or ANYONE NOT NAMED KOBE in a catch-and-shoot around the perimeter. Kobe - YES, everyone else - 'H' NO!

* Kobe will be welcomed back, not that he wouldn't have been but now it's more-so than had the Lakers swept with his vacancy. This creates an opportunity where Kobe can come back into a situation where he helps 'right the ship' no matter that the ship is basically fully upright.

There are a few other lesser reasons, but I'm sure you all get the gist. If there was EVER a 'tolerable' loss to the Celtics (can't believe I'm writing this...) the last game was it!

WELCOME BACK BLACK MAMBA! WE MISSED YOU AND NEED YOU BACK!!!!!!

I miss kOBE SO MUCH IN THE LAST 2 MINUTES OF THE BALL GAME.


Odom is very impressive last night, what happened to the old Odom. Is this an effect of being married to a Kardashian? Odom has just had a transformation.


Didn't Fisher told Mitch three months ago, he is planning on playing after this season. Is Fish telling Mitch I still want my Starting position?


Why can't Fish just retire. He is truly horrible last night. No disrespectr to him, but he was reallly really bad.


Anything but D'FIsh at starting PG, starting NEXT game! As in immediately!


Lakers Options:


1st Option: Start Farmar now!


2nd Option: Start Shannon now!


3rd Option: Start Sasha now!


4th Option: LTLF "BTW, for those who aren't aware, Hinrich wasn't the Lakers "last chance" to improve the PG position this season." .......... Start Smush Parker now!


5th Option: LTLF "BTW, for those who aren't aware, Hinrich wasn't the Lakers "last chance" to improve the PG position this season." .......... Start Sun Yue now!

5th Option: LTLF "BTW, for those who aren't aware, Hinrich wasn't the Lakers "last chance" to improve the PG position this season." .......... Start Odom now, now! 4th quarter don't sit any of the five,,, Bynum, Gasol, Odom, Artest and Kobe!!!


Odom and Kobe at Guards, Artest and Gasol at Forwards, Bynum needs to be at Center.


PHIL JACKSON! DO NOT BRING in FISHER who never played the whole 4th quarter until the last 3 minutes, and starts shooting cold. Are u kiddin me?


Just look and You can see in Rondo and Allen's face, like their eyes were both talking to each other, Fisher is easy, let's take him.


The only time I saw Allen got rattled was when Sasha starts guarding him. And I am on my freakin television watching. Where was Phil Jackson seating?


That was a win gamne for Jackson, how can it be not? ODOM played great, Artest played nice, Bynum played solid, Gasol against the C's did not get bullied and played well. Lakers frontline played well, this should have been an easy win for Jackson. What happened?


Jackson's 4 best players all played very well. What happened? How did the Lakers loose the game?


It was pretty obvoius in Jackson's face he wanted a W. Why can't he get it, when 4 of his best players all played very well and put a great effort.


I need an answer?




Always remember...never, ever, ever underestimate the heart of a champion!Posted by: RED`S LOVE CHILD | February 19, 2010 at 03:19 PM
WE DON'T RED! That's why we Blog on the Champions Blog Sir!

Yes, we all get old, but do we come to realize that and accept it is the question. Fisher does not seem to grasp that concept. He knows he's old. He knows he's lost a step or ten. But he doesn't accept it. He keeps driving to the basket like he's a 21 year old. He keeps shooting 3's early in the shot clock. The sad part is not that he's getting old. The sad part is that he doesn't embrace his older body and realize his limitations.

I DON’T FEEL BAD ABOUT THIS LOSS AT ALL – BANDWAGON
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(01) FAITH – OWNER - Don't despair Laker fans, this team is the real deal. They got poise, they got hunger, & without their best player they still prevail to the best of their ability. With Kobe this team will be nstoppable come playoffs. They know what it takes & they're uber talented to boot. No one can stop us but ourselves.
(02) OMEGA – DRIVER - I was happy with our team so much. How much passion they were playing with & how much grit they had & never gave up all the way to the end. We did loose but you cant lie to your self and say the lakers didnt play good. They played with there heart out.
(03) RICK FRIEDMAN – RIDING SHOTGUN - OK, haters. Still wanna trade Kobe? Huh? Do you? Do you?. The Mamba had a lot of reasons to be proud of his boyz tonight. They say there's no such thing as a moral victory, but this was as close as it gets. Yes, it sucks that we lost. No doubt about it. Shannon will learn from that fatal 4th quarter shot selection. Phil will learn that as much as he loves Fish, he's no longer the guy he once was. Fish's days as Mr. Clutch are over. I like how this team responds to being tested. Come May and June when the chips are on the line, it will take Kobe to bring it all home. We saw a great effort tonight.
(04) #4 - We could have had it, but I think it was more fun watching the Celtics get really worked up, and watching out guys laugh at their silly antics. I enjoyed the game, didn't like the outcome, but I think it was more about the Celtics not living up to their own hype than any problems with the Lakers. One thing's certain....2008 was a long time ago
(05) MAMBA24 – It’s all good! Celt’s played their best and yet even without Kobe we should have and almost did win. FREAKING LA LAKERS I’M PROUD OF YOU!!
(06) VMAN - No problem. It's February. Celtics are irrelevant. They've got no shot at June rematch.
(07) MUD - there's also no need to blame any particular person for the loss. the game wsn't for the championship, as much as i hated to see the loss. now it's time to get right for the next game.
(08) LAKESHOWINPHOENIX - Tough loss for L.A. tonight. They played with a lot of heart.
(09) CALIPHILOSOPHER - Excellent defensive effort tonight. Missed a few open looks, but I really liked our defense. I'd like for use to keep the same intensity when we play next week.
(10) HILTONTOWN - Lots of things to improve, but Team is starting to come together at the right time.
(11) THE OUTLAW - I saw a lot of things I liked tonight. Obviously, some not-so-good things, too. I thought Bynum played with more fire than I've seen in a long time. Lamar was outstanding. Pissed about losing. But I'm always pissed about that. The bigger picture is that this team is poised for a strong run to the finish line. (12) APPOLO C. VERMONT - The good thing about this game was they fought the good fight...they lost the battle in this game but not the war......they are improving a lot...but we still need Kobe.......more than ever....
(13) IHEARTLA - Good game by the lakers without Kobe. They fought hard, but you need your general out there when the game is close.
(14) VCTOR - Lamar was great tonight, and Artest played tough the way we need him to. Tough loss, lots of things to improve, but this team is starting to come together at the right time.
(15) FLOYD - Sure there was some stupid lame errors, in play, in jugement, in subsitutions, and in play calling etc...but still a winnable game.
(16) AARON - If Kobe was in the game... it would have been 100-87. Of course the Lakers aren't as good with out the best player in the league in the game. They still almost beat one of the top contenders in the East. Lakers are going to repeat.
(17) AZTRONUT - This was just another exhibition game, just wait ‘til the real season starts!
(18) JOLLY RANCHER - Did nobody notice the non-calls at home? Be calm, all will be well in 26 games.
(19) CORNERJ - Our guys played with a lot of heart & a lot of energy. They could have folded & simply brushed it off later because Kobe wasn't there, but they fought back every time. They were in it till the end, & were in a position to win it at the end. The fact they didn't doesn't change a thing. They now also better appreciate what Kobe means to themI love this team. I love our chances in the playoffs. GO LAKERS!
(20) DAVE M. I’m on the Bandwagon. the 4th quarter defense was terrific.
(21) EDWIN GUECO - If there is anybody who feels bad on losing against these leprechauns, it would be those long timed Laker fans. We knew it and we have been there in the 60's, 70's and 80's. However, what I have been reading that we are a great even without Kobe is just another stretch of imagination. This team will not gain all these W's without Kobe on the line up. Kobe attracts two guards which frees up Gasol, Lamar or Bynum. - Having said that, I'm still happy with a loss by one only one point, nice effort.
(22) JOHNNYV - Love that the team played tough. I have loved these last five games. I think everyone on the team has had their moment to shine and an opportunity to be "The Man." We can now get back to Kobe Bean Bryant. You can come back now Kobe. We (the team) have now seen who we are. We can play tough, we are capable and we can win. But we aren't a juggernaut without you. It's safe to come back now Kobe. The team has proven their point as have you. We are a good team without you. But you are essential. You can come back now and hold your head up, as can we. Welcome back, now where were we.......
(23) MARK G. - They were never gonna win all the games without Kobe.
(24) LADYJEM24 - It was a hard fought game and although we lost, I take a lot of positivity from the game last night. I am proud of the guys fighting the battle w/their uber warrior in Kobe as a spectator. It's definitely a lesson learned for our guys and that will come in handy come Finals. Just believe.
(25) BOB DYLAN - Without Kobe we now know a) this is a very good team, no ifs ands butts, b) it is good for the laker franchise to have Kobe get some R&R and come back rejuvenated.
(26) DWNTWNATTY - With all these problems, it's remarkable and a credit to our team that we had a shot to win. I also think this game serves as a teachable moment to the fans in regards to the ongoing debate about the quality of Lakers play with/without Kobe. They are a good team that lack a Closer that will get them over the hump against true contenders. No way we lose that game with Kobe in control late in the 4t
(27) EDWIN GUECO - I don't know why others did not appreciate the 1 pt. loss? Why do we need a win in the first place, what are we trying to catch up? There is such thing as a psychological loss, a sacrifice in chess to impart messages on all ends that the real season starts during playoffs, that home court advantage is needed if your team is weak like the Celtics. In the end, all teams who want to be 2010 Champ have to pass through the Lakers and that will be a scary test so they all improved their team up to 3pm yesterday.
(28) CAPS-GOOGLES - I'll take that loss. It's hard to swallow, but when your team plays without it's top scorer & we are 2 botched plays away from winning it, you gotta love that when Mr. Bean gets back, all hell is gonna break loose in the NBA. Mark my words, this team is gonna be ready when the time comes....
(29) utzworld THE BANNER HOLDER –CHAPLAIN - I was over the loss after the final buzzer
(30) JUSTALAKAFAN - We win in the real season.
(31) YELLOW-FEVER - Last nite was still refreshingly pleasant to watch esp because luke is in streetclothes. Our guys fought hard.. Lamar duly impressed and shouldve checked in waaay earlier in the 3rd.. Gasol was fighting back.. Artest shut down wheelchair paula.. Bynum was actually fighting for position in the key.. But when ur best guard is sasha u will never ever win that way I can't wait to see kobe back in the flow.. I'm sure he's impressed watchin from the outside lookin in and we just may see more of kobe the facilitator in the future
(32) LAKERTOM - I'm on the Don’t Feel Bad Bandwagon. It’s just 1 of 82 regular season games as the 62-14 bandwagon attests
(33) CYBERCOSMIX - . HATE the Lakers losing to the Celtics. I hate Boston, all their stupid sports team. I hate leprechauns, don't eat lucky charms. My wife is Irish, but I won't let her have any 4-leaf clovers or anything that has ever been on a Celtic uniform or in that rat-infested dump 'Boston Garden' (yes, it's a new Boston Garden, same old rats though). I hate the color green, to this day I won't wear it. In short I HATE THE CELTICS! OK, all that being said, if there was ever a 'good' loss to the Celtics, this was it! * This game comes right on the start of a 4-day holiday. This surely gives the coaching staff a lot to chew out the team with, lots of reviewing and practicing on what went wrong (the whole myriad of things that did that game). * This game would have been won if Kobe had suited up. Celtics can take no victory over a 1-pt victory based on a faulty end-of-game call over a Lakers team that was without the best player in the league in which they were shut-down the whole end of the fourth quarter. * It shows Pau, D-Fish and others that had whined about not getting enough touches before Kobe went down, they really do need Kobe. If they really want the ball then DEMAND it, like Shaq would down in the post during his Laker days. DEMAND THE BALL, then score! It's easy! Don't whine, DEMAND THEN SCORE! * Kobe will be welcomed back, not that he wouldn't have been but now it's more-so than had the Lakers swept with his vacancy. This creates an opportunity where Kobe can come back into a situation where he helps 'right the ship' no matter that the ship is basically fully upright. There are a few other lesser reasons, but I'm sure you all get the gist. If there was EVER a 'tolerable' loss to the Celtics (can't believe I'm writing this...) the last game was it! WELCOME BACK BLACK MAMBA! WE MISSED YOU AND NEED YOU BACK!!!!!!

Did you notice that we won easily against top-notch teams-Portland, San Antonio and Utah without Kobe & Bynum. When Bynum came back (Kobe is still out)against a not so good team Golden State we struggle mightily yet won that game. Last night Bynum play (Kobe is still out)and we lost, never had the lead except for two occasions. Which shows that we're better off without Andrew at all, chemistry wise. Can somebody step on Andrew's foot again accidentally? Just a thought.

AZTRONUT… Wait a minute. I thought DER was a stat you found somewhere. Are you telling me you created it! If so, my hat’s off to you. The concept makes perfect sense even if the results seem weighted too much for front court personnel. Speaking of creating stats, a few months back I created what I thought was a new and easy way to evaluate players relative performances in a game using easily obtained stats. To make a long story short, you add points, rebounds, assists, steals, and blocks and subtract field goals missed, free throws missed and turnovers, and shots blocked. That gives you an easy number for each player. Right after I posted my idea, I found out that NBA.com already makes the same exact calculation except for shots blocked. It is their efficiency stat which is kept for each player if you go to their NBA.com player page.
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The top 20 efficiency leaders in order are: LeBron, CP3, Bosh, Durant, David Lee, Dwight Howard, Tim Duncan, Pau Gasol, Carmelo, Dirk, Boozer, Wade, Randolph, Wallace, Bryant, Nash, DWill, Lopez, Amare, and Josh Smith. Bynum is 42 and Lamar 48.
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JOHNNYV… No doubt about it. I remember that time well and how I even waffled at keeping Lamar because of the cost. Whew, good thing that Jerry had the guts to make the right move. Lamar has been nails.
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MAMBA24… I think it is time to pull the Start Farmar Bandwagon from the mothballs of the Smush days. It would be a blast if you could find the original. I would love to see what names were on it. I may have a copy on my home computer and will check for it this weekend.
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TOM

I understand your heartbreak.
You guys all thought LA would win last night just because we didn`t have time to suit up the newly acquired Marcus Landry.
Always remember...never, ever, ever underestimate the heart of a champion!
Posted by: RED`S LOVE CHILD | February 19, 2010 at 03:19 PM

LOL, Marcus Landry, the guy who went undrafted and paid his own way to try out for the Knicks?

I think he's kidding and just razzin us a little bit there. Hey Red, you're a funny guy. You should come around more, you're fun. Don't let it keep you away since you're losing all those games and slipping into mediocrity.

In terms of my definition of a true point guard needing 10 assists or so a game, as that pertains to the Triangle. I care about winning and perhaps the Triangle isn't what we should run? Perhaps a different offense would have won the Championship in 2003 and 2008? Perhaps KB24 would have 6 Rings by now? Just thoughts. If this team would have kept running in the 4th (when we about ran them out of the arena) we probably would have run, but then Coach makes his changes to slow it down to a Celtic pace-We Lose!

Opps, I mean we would have won.

MAMBA24,

You seem to be the Guru of the Lakers and Blog, what are your thoughts on point guard play, Triangle, perhaps instituting Showtime? Sure was fun watching Magic and the Showtime bunch run and gun!

Ask yourself these questions?

- are you shortsighted? Easily overemotional?
- do you like to please the masses?
- has your bball knowledge recently been exposed?
- do you often talk before you think?
- have you been a victim of irrational exuberance?

If u answered YES to just 3 of the 5 questions then consider yourself a proud member of the loyal I LOVE DFISH BY KEVIN DING FAN CLUB!!!

@CYBER COSMIX,...I SALUTE YOU SIR! OUT FREAKIN STANDING!!
MAMBA24

Fisher will never grow old and you know why? Because every off season he comes and plays ball with me and the Lost Boys & Tinkerbell in NeverLand.

Peter Pan Esq.

Hey guys a new post is up

MM

- are you shortsighted? Easily overemotional?
- do you like to please the masses?
- has your bball knowledge recently been exposed?
- do you often talk before you think?
- have you been a victim of irrational exuberance?
If u answered YES to just 3 of the 5 questions then consider yourself a proud member of the loyal I LOVE DFISH BY KEVIN DING FAN CLUB!!! Posted by: yellofever | February 19, 2010 at 04:01 PM

Damnit yellowfever, I told you those things in strict secrecy and you promised you would never reveal my secret! WHY? WHY? WHY?
Mamba24

Hey Mamba24, love your stuff, but cannot accept the bandwagon for the loss being ok.

Not only did we fail to win a very winnable game, we failed to pick up a game on the Cavs and we let the Nugs get 1 game closer. Home court may make all the difference this year.

Another thing, do you think Kobe would agree to this loss was ok type of approach?
No way jose, Kobe always wants to win.
Always.
Thats one of the things we love about him and he would not have allowed us to lose this game.
Sorry Mamba 24 and all the other signers, no way this loss was ok.
I'm still mad about it, darn it.

@DJ, You got the wrong guy sir. I'm just the Court Jester. you might want to talk to LakerTom, EdwinGueco, FAITH, Benjamin, Taliq, LakerGurl, LakersRydeOrDie, Aztronut, Yellow Fever or several others. What little knowledge I possess I gained from them. Sorry. But as far as ShowTime, there will never ever be another ShowTime because no team will ever agin assemble such a powerful cast. Magic who can play all 5 positions and won the Title playing center for Cap. Kareem who won 6 NBA titles and 6 MVP's and holder of the Career Scoring record. James Worthy one of the most dominant players ever. COOOOOOPer possibly the greatest lockdown defender of alltime. Silk the only one smoother was Clyde Frazier. Maaaaaan, just thinking about the greatness of that team brings tears to this Clowns eyes.
Mamba24

These are the two guy's that called Kobe out Fisher and Gasoft. The pass to Brown under the basket, he should have shoot the ball but fear of failing overtakes the guy. Oh he pass so the pressure would not be on him, got to move the ball. Fisher shoot's the ball like the 12th man on a team, and passing the ball, is there a gaurd on our team who know how get the ball inside to repost the ball. Our team is mentally challenge when it comes to getting the ball inside. Kobe or Artest and Lo are the only guys who can. Brown can't that's why he shoot so many jump shots, just like throwing the ball into the black hole. They play very good but never belive they do not need Kobe to win those rings.

DON'T THINK TWICE ITS ALL RIGHT:


LakerTom,

you wrote: Then there is the other Bynum Basher twin, hobbitmage. who always surrounds the first person singular pronoun with asterisks to emphasize how important HIS opinion is. You can count on the two of them chiming in with more vitriol and hate. At least Blitz doesn’t deliberately fabricate phony quotes like his buddy. Can you imagine actually watching a game with these two fools? That’s a double fault for sure.

my response: I've moved up in the world? Before I was a baiter. Now I'm a
basher? Sweetness!

Hobbit bash LakerTom. Hobbit bash Bynum kool-aid drinker. Fear &
tremble at the wrath of the diminutive hobbitmage. I'll bite your kneecap.

You have the logic skills of a busted commoder64 & the grace of a stuffed
pigeon flattened by a semi.

And that's "Fool of a Took" to you BynumTom.

Posted by: hobbitmage | February 19, 2010 at 03:08 PM


Sorry Mamba 24 and all the other signers, no way this loss was ok.
I'm still mad about it, darn it. Posted by: Art -FL Laker Fan | February 19, 2010 at 04:27 PM

I hear you bro, but i've been folowing Phil since his assistant coaching days with the Bulls and I think even he would say this was a good loss. If I say anymore I'll get in trouble, but let's just say this loss will pay more dividends the rest of the year than a win ever would. In fact this loss may have just signed, sealed and delievered the championship to L.A. Where as a win just might have put that championship in peril. Sounds crazy but think about it and the war that has been waging on the Blog the last few weeks. That's it. I've said to much

What if that's the question? If Kobe can not bale these boy's out of harms way. We need a point guard unless Artest is going to hold Melo to about 23 points a game. Chauncy will kill our point guards and we have no one to stop JR Smith. Coming off Denver bench.That's the ? what if.

POINT GUARD

If we pick up a point guard he need's to be ready to play at least 20 good mins.
If not he want be on our team.

my response: I've moved up in the world? Before I was a baiter. Now I'm a
basher? Sweetness!

Hobbit bash LakerTom. Hobbit bash Bynum kool-aid drinker. Fear &
tremble at the wrath of the diminutive hobbitmage. I'll bite your kneecap.

You have the logic skills of a busted commoder64 & the grace of a stuffed
pigeon flattened by a semi.

And that's "Fool of a Took" to you BynumTom.
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Hobbitmage,

my response: LOL!

LakerTom,

"Wait a minute. I thought DER was a stat you found somewhere. Are you telling me you created it!"

Yup! Just putzin' around, playing with stats used to be quite a hobby of mine and I'm still deeply involved in statistics with the work I do. I was perusing some of the more obscure defensive statistics available out on the web and I thought I would try my hand at it. The whole thing just took a couple of hours and I know there must be some room to improve it but I don't know if I'll end up taking the time to try.

That reminds me, I was going to comment on your PER observations but I got distracted before. The thing that bugs me about defensive ratings and the "opponents points against" stuff, is that I'm not sure how they do it. I mean just because an opposition C scores when Bynum is out on the floor doesn't necessarily assure me that Drew was guarding him at the time. Maybe he had to rotate over to cover someone else's defensive failure and no one reciprocated and covered his man, who was then left alone under the basket for an easy layup. I just don't see how they can possibly account for all of the different permutations and nuances that are created by players dedicated to good team defense. The bottom line is that I just don't trust the defense statistics that I see around today. Hence, my little DER invention.

Not that I trust that yet either, but at least I understand how it's done...

"a few months back I created what I thought was a new and easy way to evaluate players relative performances in a game using easily obtained stats. To make a long story short, you add points, rebounds, assists, steals, and blocks and subtract field goals missed, free throws missed and turnovers, and shots blocked. That gives you an easy number for each player. Right after I posted my idea, I found out that NBA.com already makes the same exact calculation except for shots blocked. It is their efficiency stat which is kept for each player if you go to their NBA.com player page.
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The top 20 efficiency leaders in order are: LeBron, CP3, Bosh, Durant, David Lee, Dwight Howard, Tim Duncan, Pau Gasol, Carmelo, Dirk, Boozer, Wade, Randolph, Wallace, Bryant, Nash, DWill, Lopez, Amare, and Josh Smith. Bynum is 42 and Lamar 48."

This stuff always fascinates me, but there doesn't appear to be a mechanism there to equalize things for the players that don't put heavy minutes out on the floor. The description you give appears to create a bias towards the superstars, as if they needed one eh? Isn't there a division by minutes played in there somewhere?

To those arguing that this was a 'bad' loss, there is more to the game than to label every victory as good, every loss as bad. That is a pretty simplistic view, and simply isn't the case. This was a 'good' loss if there ever was one.

First of all, look at the Celtics. Boston is overplaying their 'big-three' (old-three is more like it) instead of cruising towards the playoffs as they have been claiming to be doing all year. Well, we're less than two months away, Garnett is limping, Pierce is showing he can't remotely carry them anymore, Ray Allen is sporadic as he's always been. Wallace is still doing what he does best though, picking up T's. They are desperate for wins, they've suffered more meltdowns in this calender year than any other NBA team, more come-from-ahead losses. They couldn't miss in the first half, but couldn't shoot a pea in the ocean when the game matters most, the fourth quarter. They didn't score a point in the last 3+ minutes, and still it came down to a missed call in the final seconds to squeak out a win over a Lakers team missing the best player in the game, easily the best closer in the game.

Lakers got a loss heading into a 4-day off period - which will give the coaching staff a lot of material to grind the team on. A loss in which the team self-destructed on offense in the final minutes. Where was Pau demanding touches? D-Fish? Other than choking on that last-second shot which didn't have a chance to go in, he pretty much did nothing. I didn't see him whining about his touches after the game last night.

Kobe though has been resting for almost 3 weeks, compare that for instance to the Celtics who are burning out their senior citizens. He will be coming back fresh and renewed. The Lakers too just showed the world the value of the Black Mamba (for those many people which need reminding, including on this very blog...). Kobe is the undisputed leader of the Lakers, that was so clearly demonstrated in last nights game. The Lakers are a good team without Kobe, a playoff team. Kobe makes them a CHAMPION!

More important than showing NBA fans out there what Kobe means to the Lakers, it proves to all his teammates what they are missing. I just can't imagine those 'I'd like more touches' whines have been dimmed for the rest of the year.

So, to those that have a more well-rounded view of things, that keep perspective not on just day-to-day standings but on longer-term trends and sees games not as individual wins and losses, but can see things on a wider scale, and can identify things based on long-term following of Lakers/NBA/sports - those people can identify that this loss isn't quite as bad as it seem on the surface. There are wider things at play, believe me the Celtics know better than to leave L.A. smiling and cheering, if anything their hearts are probably lower than ever because they basically choked, the Lakers though were missing their heart and soul and Celt's couldn't finish the deal, only helped by a missed call and a team without a last-second shot taker (who happens to be one of the best in the history of the NBA).

On a night that LeBron bricked his last-second shot, the Lakers can take this loss as a body-blow that shows their opponent as being pretty weak. You know, like in boxing, where a boxer stands in the ring and taunts their opponent, sticks out their chin and tells them to smack it? Then they get hit and sit back and smile and laugh, like saying 'thats the best you got'? Well, that is similar to what happened. Perhaps, the boxer loses that round, but they just KNOW that they got their opponent beat.

So, yes Mamba24 and those few others on this blog that have it RIGHT, this was a 'good loss', and it reaffirms those that REALLY know basketball that not only do the Lakers not have much to fear from Boston, but when the BLACK MAMBA returns then watch out - the Lakers are TAKING BACK THEIR THRONE!!!!!


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