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Caught in the Web: Lakers gearing up for All-Star weekend

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Without the esteemed duty to coach the Western Conference All-Star team this season, Lakers Coach Phil Jackson acknowledged he prefers it that way.

"That will be my personal time," Jackson said regarding All-Star weekend, which begins today with the celebrity game and rookie challenge. "Jeanie [Buss] has to go to Dallas, so I probably will be doing laundry and feeding the dog."

It certainly beats the alternative in his mind: repeating how he spent the 2008-09 season, when he found himself coaching Shaquille O'Neal and Kobe Bryant again. The picture at left shows this time they got along.

Other Lakers will probably have a more eventful weekend than what Jackson has in store. Though Kobe Bryant won't make what would be his 12th All-Star appearance because of a sprained left ankle. forward Pau Gasol will play as a reserve, one of those reasons being that he has many skills that the Riverside Press-Enterprise's Jim Alexander says are hard to match. On Saturday, Lakers backup guard Shannon Brown will compete in the dunk contest, making LetShannonDunk.com no longer a plea but more of a statement that no one will get in the way of Brown slamming it home.

As for everyone else on the Lakers? ESPN Los Angeles' Dave McMenamin provides a pretty thorough rundown on all the different plans. Lakers guard Derek Fisher will be in meetings as president of the National Basketball Player's Assn. Lakers guard Jordan Farmar will be there too as the team rep. Lakers forward D.J. Mbenga will be in Dallas trying to sell his house. Lakers forward Ron Artest may or may not be there. Lakers forwards Luke Walton and Josh Powell are visiting family. Lamar Odom is staying at home, and Adam Morrison, Sasha Vujacic and Andrew Bynum are taking it easy.

The Lakers may all have different plans for All-Star weekend, but they all agree it couldn't come at a more perfect time.

More Lakers links (after the jump)

-- For those in need of a Brown fix before the slam dunk contest, ESPN Los Angeles' Andrew Kamanetzky has a must-read piece on UPS. Lots of sourcing, lots of reporting, lots of writing. AK tops it off with a highlight video.

-- Meanwhile, Silver Screen and Roll has a detailed scouting report on one of Brown's competitors, Charlotte forward Gerald Wallace.

-- Not only is New York Knicks guard Nate Robinson definitely competing in the dunk contest, he is guaranteeing that he will defend his title. Don't worry, UPS. With Dwight Howard's prediction that you'll win it, it's likely he won't be Robinson's prop this year.

-- Brown may be in strong contention for the dunk contest, but Sports Illustrated's Chris Mannix reports that Brown and Morrison are possible trade assets for Bulls guard Kirk Hinrich.

-- No need for detailed power rankings. Here's the Twitterized rundown of the league's top teams, according to Ball Don't Lie.

--Some sad news to pass along. Fred Schaus, who coached the Lakers for their first seven seasons in L.A., died Wednesday at age 84. The Times' Barry Stavro mentions that Schaus was Jerry West's mentor when Schaus coached the West Virginia Mountaineers and the Lakers. The Pittsburgh Post-Gazette's Colin Dunlap quoted WVU Coach Bob Huggins as saying, "From a great college coach to a great pro coach to a great pro front office guy, then coming back to college and winning at Purdue and then coming back to be a great athletic director here at WVU, he excelled in every area of athletics."

Tweet of the Day: "David Lee in, AI out. J-Kidd in, Kobe out. The All-Star game has officially become the Pro Bowl." -- ChrisMannixSI (Sports Illustrated's NBA writer Chris Mannix)

-- Mark Medina

Follow the L.A. Times Lakers blog on Twitter. E-mail the Lakers blog at mgmedin@gmail.com.

Photo: When Shaquille O'Neal and Kobe Bryant were selected co-MVPs of the 2009 NBA All-Star Game, the former Lakers center referred to the pair as "The Big Legendaries." Credit: Ross D. Franklin / Associated Press

 
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Right on, Mamba24.

Right on.

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Shannon Brown is one of my favorite Lakers.

A good story.

It's funny. Whenever I watch a Lakers game here in Ohio and Shannon Brown is on, I verbally poke someone with the falsely innocent question, "Didn't he used to be a Cav?"

The response is without fail a one-word, disappointed growl before they return to their beer, "Yeah..."

{Chuckle}

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MAMBA... Please put me on the I SUPPORT KOBE BRYANT BANDWAGON. Anybody who thinks that Kobe does not understand the importance of sharing the ball and playing a team game is dead wrong and disrespecting Kobe’s intelligence and his desire and understanding of what it takes to win.
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astronut,

a search pulled up this: Eric Pincus:

For Bynum to reach the same level - to reach his prime - he needs a lot more experience. I'm not sure the current
environment will ever give him that.

I see Andrew as a capable scoring big who can dominate smaller, lesser skilled opponents but he doesn't impress me
against true size/strength.
Against the Cavaliers, Magic and Pacers, etc. - I'm not sure I like his game.

Bynum doesn't do enough of the little things - rebound, block shots, rotate defensively - well enough to offset when his
offensive game isn't there.
What Bosh does is far more versatile and with the Lakers I think he'd fit in well defensively.

You can also go back and look at some of the other things I've posted.
You may want to focus on the december time frame. When the Bosh for
Bynum rumor started.

MAMBA24,

My compliments to the Chef! I'm on board the Title Train heading for TWO in a row!!

dreaded semi-repost
I seldom delve furthermore to prove my point that the other guy is wrong. We have other best use of our time than massaging our own egos. Everyone is entitled to his own opinion so let us live it there and live happily ever after as Laker fans.

Posted by: Edwin Gueco | February 12, 2010 at 11:12 AM

I liked you're sentiment there. I'm not sure if this what you're getting at, but it sent my thoughts in this direction. This is the thing that disappoints me about blogs/boards in general. So much of commenting is really about ego: "look at me, I just said something brilliant," or "I pwned the board." Then you can get the back and forth, pwn and repwn. It seems like a lot of the dialogue is a waste of cyberspace. Pity.

MAMBA24, I have no idea why, but it just cheers me up to see the roll call. I swear brother, this is not a knock on you, but I used to see it as kind of silly. Now, I miss it if it's not there. Go figure. Please never take me off.

Do we add Mike Bresnahan to our list of loathful Kobe haters? Here's the headline to his LAT website article:

LAKERS / Q & A
No Kobe Bryant? No problem, say fans
Some see a real team developing, some see a championship in the future and some just want to meet for drinks.

http://bit.ly/bgrtvl

I know he doesn't write the headline, but his column certainly validates it.

Mike: Say it isn't so.

hobbitmage,

"You may want to focus on the december time frame. When the Bosh for
Bynum rumor started."

That rumor's always been just that, a rumor. As time goes by and rumors still sit there like a stale turd, they are transformed into what they, in reality, were to begin with...lies!

I know that you didn't create the rumor but I'm done listening to it, with all due respect to you. It's not only not going to happen, it was never going to happen.

So no, I won't be looking back for those types of posts. I think I understand your take on Bynum pretty well at this point, as you should understand mine. I just don't happen to agree with most of it.

MAMBA24,

Thank you for the shout out good sir. I am honored as usual.

For everyone who wrote to me a few posts ago, I will have more to say later today (Incl. Jon K., aztronut, LongTimeLakerFan, Justa, JohnnyP). I just got done with my school stuff, and I have to head to my second job mixing some drinks.

Hope everyone is having a good Friday!

One other thing for DFish -

You never answered my question (regarding [A] naming the 4 games that Derek didn't suck, [B] naming the 996 that Derek did suck, and [C] defining the technical term "suck"). If you can't do that, then you're pretty much putting an emotive stance out there, which isn't helpful for comparison's sake at all.

I cringe to say it, but I like the idea of an AmMo and Shannon for Hinrich trade better than an AmMo and Farmar deal.

It's sounding like Chicago wouldn't consider taking back Sasha's contract, even though it does get them 4 million in savings next year.

But here's the thing. Sasha at least comes close to replacing what Shannon Brown does for the team. In the 2008-09 playoffs, Sasha was a designated shooter and tenacious defender. In the 2009-2010 playoffs (or part of them at least), Shannon filled that role.

But there's no other Laker who could replace what Jordan gives them. The last couple of months, he's given them high energy (but controlled) and consistent scoring. Instead of talking about how quick opposing PGs blow by any Laker PG and get into the lane to score or dish, we can talk about how JORDAN has been consistently getting by his man and scoring or dishing. Ask Tony Parker. Ask Deron Williams.

I think a set of backup guards including Farmar, Fisher, and Vujacic has more flexibility than Brown, Fisher, and Vujacic.

But I still don't believe the Lakers will do any deals. I think the only way this team will change before the playoffs is if some veteran gets waived and the Lakers pick them up on the cheap as an insurance player.

Rick - I think Mike Bresnahan is being an objective reporter. I can't speak on everyone, but I know that most beat reporters don't operate in the mindset of "I like this person," or "I don't like that person." Sure all media types to some degree like it when a player is engaging, provides good quotes and is generally cooperative with the media. But don't label Mike as a Kobe hater....it's indisputable that he took more shots when his finger was hurt and he takes the majority of the shots on the team. As Mike said in our postgame video after the Spurs game, he says Kobe takes the majority of the shots on the team, and 85% of the time it is warranted. I think that's a fair assessment, don't you?

MM

One problem with including Shannon Brown in a trade... he has a 1-year bird exemption. He has to agree to any trade. So he could effectively veto a trade to Chicago, like Devean George vetoed being traded off of Dallas a couple years ago.

You know, I'm not sure I am interested in Hinrich, IF, Farmar and Brown keep playing the way they are playing. Of course I think they are playing better because of more time on the court. I'm not so sure I wouldn't start Farmar and have Fish off the bench with Bynum.

Bryant-Brown
Farmar-Fish
Gasol-Bynum
Odom-Bynum
Artest-Bynum

Not sure I would play anyone else unless really needed.

As for the Bynum trade, well, I just don't know. Didn't really need him the last two runs 2008 and 2009), but if Odom or Gasol went down, kind of a NICE backup plan. If you ask today a Bosh for Bynum trade, I might just do it. Might be a better fit. Of course it all depends on which Bynum we are talking about? If it's going to be the Boston Beast, I want him! If not, well, might look seriously at a trade.

Don't under stand the media reports of a Lakers trade for Kirk Hinrich.

What Lakers problem does Hinrich solve?

Is Hinrich going to guard LeBron James?
Guard Aaron Brooks, Deron Williams , Ty Lawson, Darren Collison?
Limited Kobe shots?

Lakers biggest problem is ball movement (i.e. Kobe shot attempts) and defense.

A trade is not necessary, especially for Hinrich.

The issue is will Kobe play team ball?

MAMBA..Put me on the Kobe Bandwagon

Anyone who says we should trade Kobe, I can’t even take seriously as a NBA fan let alone a Laker’s fan. Trade him for whom? Lebron or D. Wade? And I would only trade for one of them because they are younger. Other than those two for that reason what are you talking about?

I get angry more than anyone with some of Kobe’s play from time to time. As a Laker’s fan though I know that he wants to win more than anything and know that he knows that is the most important part for his legacy. I may not like him personally (if I really knew him), but I know in the end it’s all about winning for Kobe. I can go on and on, but it’s not even worth my time or intelligence to argue with someone that is ridiculously ignorant and naive! So Kobe supporters you’re just as dumb to argue and waste your time with these fools. It’s just preposterous to even suggest trading Kobe!

Jon K:
Why is Brown one of your favorite Lakers? As a person or a player? If I was a Cav’s fan I would laugh at your “verbally poke” that he used to be a Cav! It’s not like he’s a difference maker or that he is even better than Gibson or West. If you think Brown is good then you must of thought Vince Carter was a superstar because he could jump over seven foot French men! Brown is all hype and no game!

Why isn’t Jordan Farmar starting? Or at least playing more minutes than Fisher?

From Mike B's piece today: "I don't know what Bryant thought of it all. He didn't come out of the locker room in Utah during the game and didn't stick around to talk to reporters afterward."

Gotta love that leadership style!!

Hobbitmage:

“I see Andrew as a capable scoring big who can dominate smaller, lesser skilled opponents but he doesn't impress me
against true size/strength.”

Exactly, I’ve been saying that all year. He is great against smaller less skilled opponents, but horrible and a non-factor against size/strength and skill.

I wouldn’t trade him because I do think he can learn and be a future building piece.

>>>As for the Bynum trade, well, I just don't know. Didn't really need him the
>>>last two runs 2008 and 2009), but if Odom or Gasol went down, kind of a
>>>NICE backup plan.

My thoughts exactly. I wish Drew played every night like he played that game in Boston, but he has Lamar's fade-in-and-out tendencies.

The problem is, I'm not positive they could really make the team better by trading Drew. It depends on what teams would be willing to give up to get him. Do their coaches/GMs view him as a franchise player, as LakerTom does? Or do they see the inconsistency, or fear that he's just had another season ending injury before the All-Star break?

I think I'll do a series of posts of what I think the Lakers could get for Bynum, just to rile some people up.


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Three wins a season does not make, But three wins separates real fans from Fake
Were you ever real fans at all, or just bandwagon followers of basketball
You say flow is better without Kobe in the game, I say come on, you know that’s lame
Just say what you mean no need to hide, So 3 games have made you justified
Justified to show the real you, You’ve always been a kobe hater you know it’s true
I can respect NO MANS bigger than the game, but if there was one Kobe would be his name
Just go back a couple of years, when a lot of you sobbed your crocodile tears.
Only kobe Bryant had the guts to say, this crap cannot go on that way.
And at that time a blog war broke out, kobe lovers vs. haters it was a helluva bout.
But mitch stayed cool and Kobe didn’t walk, And now we have a ring to back up the talk
When that glorius day of Title 5 arrived, The Blog was united, man we all felt so alive
I loved this blog family so much that day, and now you gone thrown it all away.
I don’t know who’s right or who’s wrong, but Laker Nation divided is a nation not strong
I’m a Kobe fan you all know’s it’s true, But I never tore anyone down for their point of view
Can’t we all just get along, If this crap keeps up that something special will be gone
If you can’t root for Kobe, root for the team, In the end it’s all the same it would seem
You can’t have one with out the other, The eggs are no good without the butter
Some of you kobe haters make me sore, But I’ll always have your back, that’s what families for
So we hooted and hoolered and said our peace, Now let us reunite and let disunity cease
I’m mamba24 trying to heal the rift with you, We are ONE LAKER NATION AND TO ALL I RESPECT YOU!!
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aztronut, WTF, I was responding to Edwins post because it struck a chord with me. I wasn't following the back and forth between you and Edwin, if there was one. My post wasn't aimed at you, and I really didn't think we had a problem. Anyone who loves Jerry West is alright with me normally.

It's just that at times, people just seem to blast away at each other, and the fighting becomes the main issue. I wasn't talking about just here, but blogs in general. I guess I feel sometimes it, the blogs, should more than that.

Why do I post here, because I'm a social animal, like everybody else. You're right, at some point I may just say screw it, and not post. I'm not there yet.

Having said that I still think my critique of blog squabbling is valid. Sorry if you don't agree.

Posted by: Mark G | February 12, 2010 at 01:12 PM

Bynum trade value, part I.

I've already mentioned these ideas, so I'll just recap them:

Minnesota has issues with Kevin Love & Al Jefferson not playing well together, and neither has the real size or shot blocking skills to be a true center. Bynum is closer to All-Star level than either one and would fit better with either one than with Pau.

Minne also has a potentially special PG waiting in the wings in Ricky Rubio.

Bynum plus a future first round pick for either Love or Jefferson + the rights to Rubio potentially improves both teams.

Either Jefferson or Love could come off the bench behind Pau and Lamar and provide a lot to the team (more than Bynum? not sure). Rubio would be insurance in case Farmar can't continue this upswing in play.

There would need to be some other contracts in there to balance salary, but I think the Lakers could do it without giving up any other main rotation players.

NBA4ever,

Would you like to see a difference making, momentum swinging, game/series changing video of Shannon brown?

Enjoy! http://tinyurl.com/ykwapwy

hobbitmage,

I could only find one quote from PJ in that entire article that you linked me to...

“My coaches are kind of pushing me in that direction, but I’m not ready yet to do that,” Jackson said. “We won last year with Andrew when he came back at the end of the season, going out there and playing the first quarter and starting the games. Even though he wasn’t 100 percent when came back off his injury last year, he still gave us a lot; he gives us a big front. So I have to measure that and see what’s going to happen with this team in the next couple weeks.”

It sounds mostly complimentary to me, am I missing something here? Of course the OCR writer mostly presents your slant on things but I really don’t believe that the PJ quote he includes supports his premise and neither does LO, no matter how hard he tries to squeeze him.

There is distinct contrast here with what you originally claimed, which was...

“Nor would Phil have made the
comment: If we don't start Bynum he won't play defense [ paraphrase ].
Bynum's play has made it *VERY* clear/noticeable that if he's not the
focus of the offense he won't play defense. That's not Kobe's fault.”

This is the supposed PJ comment that I was requesting a reference for and I just don’t see how the two equate, or how one can be “paraphrased” as the other. Got anything else, ‘cause I ain’t buying into this one, thanks anyway.

Bynum trade value, part II.

If the Lakers keep him until the summer, there's a potential for a really big improvement at the point guard position.

Both New Orleans and Utah might potentially be in the draft lottery (Utah with New York's pick). If either of them wins the lottery (and the rights to John Wall), then that gives them two exceptional point guards. Fortunately, neither of them has anything close to Bynum's talent at center.

If the Lakers could Parlay Bynum into any one of the three of Deron Williams, Chris Paul, or John Wall, they would be set at PG until Kobe retires and beyond. And getting Bynum would definitely be a huge front court improvement for either New Orleans or Utah.

That might be the best Bynum-swap I can imagine. Chris Paul, Deron Williams, or John Wall. The Lakers would have to scrounge around for some more front court depth, but their starting lineup would be insanely good.

- - -

Of course, the most likely team to win the lottery (and thus Wall) would be New Jersey. But that wouldn't really work for the Lakers, since it's not worth giving up Bynum for Devin Harris, and they already have a quality Center in Brook Lopez.

The other teams most likely to be in the lottery are:

Minnesota - If they draft wall, then Rubio becomes expendable and a Bynum for Rubio+Love or Jefferson would look more appealing to them.

Golden State - Think they wouldn't like to upgrade from Biedrins to Bynum? HELL, Yeah. I don't think the Lakers would be willing to take back Biedrins and his long contract back in a deal for Bynum, but maybe something could be worked out for Stephen Curry and some combination of Turiaf, Azubuike, Brandan Wright, Anthony Randolph, and Anthony Morrow. Curry's not at the level of DWill and CP3, but he looks like he might be a top-10 PG some day.

Sacramento - They could certainly use him, but what would they be willing to give back. Kevin Martin's not really a PG, and neither is Tyreke Evans. Beyond that, Sacto just doesn't have the assets to make it worth trading off Bynum.

Washington - How about Caron Butler and Andray Blatche? Or maybe Butler and sign & trade Brendan Haywood. If you could get both Butler and one of those two big men for the same price as Bynum, then it might be an upgrade.

Detroit - Forget it. Their players are all either bad or overpaid or both.

Indiana - In the unlikely event that they won the lottery and got Wall (and they NEED a pg badly), how about Troy Murphy and Roy Hibbert. Two bigs for one. Neither is as good as Bynum, but Hibbert is a true C, and they'd have him for cheap until 2013, while Murphy would expire after next season. It would be a financial move that might actually make them deeper for the 2010-2011 season.

Philadelphia - Dalembert and Speights. Very similar to the Indiana deal. Lakers get two bigs for one, with the high salary guy (Dal in this case) expiring in 2011. It gives them a big rotation of Pau-Lamar-Speights for several seasons without costing nearly as much as Pau-Lamar-Bynum.

Clippers - Baron Davis? Think he could stay focused enough? He certainly has the talent to be a championship caliber point guard, but I'm not sure he has what it takes. Besides, they have Kaman, so they probably wouldn't be looking for another C.

Milwaukee - They've got Bogut, so they don't really need another high-salaried C.

Memphis - Not very likely to win lottery (might even make playoffs). But if they did, then I think they'd want to keep Wall, and they already have a pretty good center in Marc Gasol (he's been nearly as good as Bynum this season at about 1/5 of the cost).

Houston - They're not likely to win the lottery, and Yao should be back next year, so they'd probably not be inclined to trade for Bynum.

Bynum trade value, part III

I also mentioned this one before:

Kirk Hinrich + Joakim Noah for Bynum (plus pieces on both sides to match salary).

Noah is as good a defender as Bynum, and a better rebounder. Lakers could get both Hinrich and Noah and decrease their future salary instead of increasing it.

Chicago gets a player almost as good as some of the guys that people are hoping to lure this summer, but they don't have to risk dumping players and then getting NObody this summer. If Salmons is included coming back to the Lakers, it could free up enough space for them still to make one max offer this summer. Don'tcha think Dwyane or Joe Johnson might be more inclined to join Rose, Deng, and Bynum rather than Rose, Deng, and Noah?

ChicNstu:

Please!!!!!!!!!!

Thanks for that ONE play. That sums it up, Brown is the difference between us winning the championship and not!
That's what a difference maker is! I've been showed, now I know!

Trade Kobe NOW because we have the difference maker.........AKA Shannon Brown!

Don't watch the games, just the highlights!
Thats all you need to know!


Just a heads up. There should be a new post fairly soon.

MM

Bynum trade value, part IV

Bynum for Bosh has already been mentioned. And if Bosh wasn't willing to re-sign with Toronto, I'm sure they'd at least consider a deal that brought them back Andrew.

Or it could go the other way. If they want to keep Bosh, they might be willing to trade Bargnani to upgrade to a true center. Bargnani and Calderon for Bynum and Luke would be a salary reduction for the Lakers and give them the PG upgrade and still a pretty good third big man.

Mark G,

Please see the end of the previous post for my reply. G'day!

Bynum Trade Value, Part V

Phoenix - They're looking to dump Amare. He might be willing to sign an extension with the Lakers for about the same as they'd be paying Bynum. This trade would make the Lakers slightly worse defensively and slightly better offensively.

New York - It depends on how confident they are that they can lure two big salary players this summer. If they don't think they can do it, then a trade that gives them a top quality center for less than max money and still leaves enough cap space to chase ONE big ticket player, maybe they'd go for it.

So how about Bynum for David Lee and Jared Jeffries and some other sweetener. Lakers would be doing the Knicks the favor of giving them a top 10 center and taking back Jeffries bad contract, so there would have to be some other benefit going back to the Lakers. Gallinari might be too steep. Wilson Chandler? Jordan Hill? A future First Round pick?

That deal makes David Lee the third big for the Lakers going forward, and I think he'll make less than Bynum does going forward. He doesn't have Bynum's size or shot blocking, but he always plays hard and he's a better rebounder than Drew.

Jeffries is actually a good wing defender, so he'd be a decent injury insurance in case Ron-Ron or Luke gets injured.

And the third sweetener would be inexpensive bench depth for a few years.

And when the Knicks went out recruiting this summer, Bynum would be their biggest selling point by far.

Good to see you back, LTLF.

Any sign-and-trade scenarios involving LBJ and Drew?

I'm generally against trading Drew unless we get a bona fide star in return. That means "no" to the Kirk Hinrichs of the league...overpaid role players who wouldn't provide much of an upgrade over what we have.

I think Sasha can provide much of what Hinrich would provide if he got consistent minutes on the floor at half the cost. Besides, Sasha is bound to get JR Smith or Melo tossed out of a game in the playoffs...how valuable would that be?

Bynum Trade Value, Part V

Portland. What they really want is an expiring deal to fill in at Center until their two bigs recover for next season.

But if Bynum was up and around and on his feet while Oden and Przybilla were out injured for another season, might they be willing to look more to the future?

How about Bynum and filer for Joel Przybilla, Rudy Fernandez, Travis Outlaw, Joel Przybilla and Portland's 2010 first round pick.

That hurts the Lakers' front court depth for this season, but gives them a much more reasonably priced backup C for next season, some very good bench depth for this season, Rudy to add to the Spanish Inquisition, and a mid first round pick.

If Portland was willing to make it Oden instead of Przybilla, then you can leave out the first round pick, and the Lakers would be sitting on the gamble that Oden could get healthy and stay healthy.

LongTimeLakerFan,

Looks like you've got a bunch of dead turds there dude! Good luck with the whole "riled up" thingy...

Bynum trade value, part VI

Utah - Think they might be willing to give up Boozer and that New York lottery pick for Bynum? I think so. I'm sure Boozer would be willing to extend with the Lakers, and probably for less than they were paying Bynum.

So you'd get a Gasol-Odom-Boozer front court going forward and a slight chance of winning the lottery and drafting John Wall. How loud do you think Popovich would howl if the Lakers pulled that off?

Bynum trade value, part whatever...

New Orleans - trade Bynum for Emeka Okafor, filler, and their 2010 draft pick.

Okafor would be a pretty good (not great) replacement for Bynum in the front court. Bynum would be on Sports Center EVERY NIGHT getting 3 or 4 alley oop passes from Chris Paul.

The question here is "what filler?"

Posey is a little too expensive and is in an area of not great need for the Lakers.

Aaron Gray would be another decent backup big, but he doesn't make enough to make the contracts match.

Darren Collison would be ideal - a point guard on his rookie contract who has filled in admirably for Paul while he's been out. He'd be great insurance in case one of Fisher, Farmar, or Brown doesn't come back next season. And he is an excellent defender of small fast PGs.

The problem is, I don't think they'd give Collison up without getting back either Farmar or Brown. Not unless CP3's injury turned out to be so bad that he was going to be out for the whole season.

And the risk here is that New Orleans is good enough that if you add Bynum to them, they'd probably make the playoffs, and thus make that lottery pick into a mid-first-round pick.

mamba24,
Thanks a lot for remembering to include my name in your now famous Lakers roll call.
Let the Nuggets, Spurs, Cavs, Magic, Celtics and the other "Pretenders" to our title know that the real Lakers will show their real identity in the second half of the season. Let the three victories against 3 play-off bound teams without Kobe and Bynum be the showcase of how good this team can be. Be afraid of the soon back to back champion....THE LOS ANGELES LAKERS.

>>>Any sign-and-trade scenarios involving LBJ and Drew?

Never happen. Bynum is a near-All-Star who will probably make the All-Stars once or twice, but by now has pretty low potential of being a game changer like LeBron or Kobe.

The only way it could possibly happen is if Kobe and LeBron talked and decided that LeBron would tell Cleveland that there was no way in hell that he'd re-sign with them, but if they were willing to sign-and-trade with the Lakers, then he'd do that. In that scenario, Bynum would be one of the best rebuilding blocks that the Lakers could offer to the Cavs (probably have to throw in Farmar, Brown, and draft picks as well).

Can you imagine LeBron spiting his hometown team to insist on joining Kobe?

Me neither.

nba4ever,

"Trade Kobe NOW because we have the difference maker.........AKA Shannon Brown!"

Dont start fabricating sentences.

That vid shows he has made a difference.. you are the one who stated he isnt a difference maker.

The proof is in the Vid. are you blind?

EJK,

>>>I'm generally against trading Drew unless we get a bona fide star in return.
>>>That means "no" to the Kirk Hinrichs of the league...overpaid role players
>>>who wouldn't provide much of an upgrade over what we have.

Ah, but the Hinrich deal I proposed, Hinrich was just the third best player in the deal. Noah was the key piece coming back from Chicago. If you did that trade and gave Noah Bynum's minutes, I guarantee you the Lakers defense would be just as good and their rebounding would be better. There would be no "jogging back on defense while the other team fast breaks". Noah always hustles.

So I assume you'd buy into a deal that brought back Deron Williams or Chris Paul.

Mitch, please DO NOT trade Jordan Farmar to get an overrated Kirk Heinrich. JF is playing great and adds a real defensive and offensive spark. Ideally you'll sign him in the off season too. He should do fine as DFish's replacement when the time comes.

>>> think Sasha can provide much of what Hinrich would provide if he got
>>>consistent minutes on the floor at half the cost.

Hinrich guarded Paul Pierce in last season's Boston-Chicago series, and really frustrated him. Do you think Sasha could do that? I'm not so certain. Sasha certainly tries hard, and he occasionally frustrates someone into doing something stupid, but Hinrich just has very good defensive tendencies.

Bynum trade value, part IX

Do not trade Bynum. He is big and only 22 years old. Trade instead Kobe who is 35 in basketball age playing 31.

What can yo get for Kobe? That is the question.


Play with me on this one LTLF. If the Lakers let's say are willing to trade Kobe, what can we get for KB?

LTLF,

"The only way it could possibly happen is if Kobe and LeBron talked and decided that LeBron would tell Cleveland that there was no way in hell that he'd re-sign with them, but if they were willing to sign-and-trade with the Lakers, then he'd do that."

That's the scenario I'm thinking about. If LeBron really wants to go to a bigger market, yet doesn't want to be on a horrible NY team, what better place is there for him than LA? He'd be guaranteed championships for many years to come, and would become the top dog on the team once Kobe's game declines. Plus, Cleveland would have the incentive to get LeBron out of the East and get a young, star center in return.

Of course, this all hinges on LeBron wanting to get out of Cleveland, which doesn't appear likely at this point.

Astronut,

All right. I'll give you that Kevin Ding made the quote instead of Phil
Jackson. You would then say that it's Kevin Ding and his observation
doesn't mean "jack poop".

Let me build a circumstantial case for you to toss out because you wish to
disbelieve.

hypothesis: This year, A. Bynum wanted to be a star. Dare I say it, a super-
star.

pt. 1. Andrew wanted to be an all-star. [ Do I really have to go get a link? ]

pt. 2. When Pau was out Bynum did great at the beginning of the season.
[ Do I really have to go get a link? ]

pt. 3. When Pau came back & Kobe started feeding Pau vs. feeding Bynum
Bynum's effort on offense & defense deteriorated. [ Month of Dec. ]

pt. 4. As soon as Pau injured his right hamstring Bynum's effort went up.

pt. 5. Is there a game you can think of, where Bynum had a great game
defensively, but did not have a great game offensively.

pt. 6. Finally, can we use Bynum's own words: It's no secret that Bynum plays better when Gasol is out of the lineup; he admitted as much after Sunday's game.

"Obviously it's easier without him and my focus goes up a little," Bynum said.

LTLF,

"Noah was the key piece coming back from Chicago."

I see Noah as a skinnier version of Anderson Varejao. A good, solid role player who could improve our defense somewhat with his hustle and rebounding, but really doesn't have an offensive game. I'm not sure he can even hit midrange jumpers like Varejao. And he doesn't have the kind of bulk that I'd like to see our frontcourt add...Pau, LO, and Noah would be one of the skinniest frontcourts in the league.

astronut,

your link for Bynum's words are: http://tinyurl.com/yhsfv8m

ChicNstu:

That was one play, who cares.

My point is he's not that good and he's not a difference maker for the "big picture". It wouldn't matter if we had him or D. Gibson or any other mediocre 2 gaurd that this league has to offer. I don't dislike him I just think he is over hyped because he has a spectacular dunk every now and then!

Are you blind?

The proof is in his play ALL season long not just a highlight here or there that he usually gets off of someone else's great feed or a break-away! Watch the games, every single play like I do then talk.

Read LakerToms post on the next thread, it breaks it down nicely!

Let's say the Lakers are willing to trade Kobe now, What can we get for Kobe? Are there any teams willing to give up their premier Stars for Kobe? What is Kobe's value in the league? Seriously.

We all bleed purple and gold! There will always be another Superstar who will wear a Lakers jersey, but there is only ONE LOS ANGELES LAKERS!

"So I assume you'd buy into a deal that brought back Deron Williams or Chris Paul."

Absolutely. Of the two, I'd rather have Deron Williams, at least for as long as we play the Triangle. Deron isn't as quick as CP3, but he's bigger and stronger, and seems to be a better shooter. And I don't think he needs to dominate the ball like CP3 does to be effective.

I think a guy like Joe Johnson or Brandon Roy would be a better backcourt mate to Kobe than either Deron or CP3. Big, combo guards who can both handle the ball, shoot, and slash would perfectly complement Kobe's game. Maybe Manu would be worth taking a look at if he came at a reasonable price.

The last three games showed the Lakers are dominant without Kobe, trade Kobe for the right pieces as Kobe's leadership no longer fits with the team concept. This Laker team could further improve.


We all bleed purple and gold! There will always be another Superstar who will wear a Lakers jersey, but there is only ONE LOS ANGELES LAKERS!

What is Kobe's value in this league? Which team would be willing to trade their premier younger stars. Seriuosly.


We all bleed purple and gold! There will always be another Superstar who will wear a Lakers jersey, but there is only ONE LOS ANGELES LAKERS!

aztronut,

>>>Looks like you've got a bunch of dead turds there dude! Good luck with the
>>>whole "riled up" thingy...

Really? You wouldn't trade Bynum for Chris Paul if the opportunity came up?

Guaranteed every year an all-star, best point guard in the league for a Center with potential.

You would call that a turd?

>>>Play with me on this one LTLF. If the Lakers let's say are willing to trade
>>>Kobe, what can we get for KB?

Not much. Not only does Kobe have a no-trade clause (meaning he can veto any trade the Lakers try to make involving him), but he also has an opt-out on next season.

So even if there was a team willing to give up an all-star, 2 or 3 good role players, and a good draft pick or two, there's no way Kobe would allow that trade to happen. He'd veto it.

We really saw that played out when Kobe demanded to be traded two summers ago. There were a couple of teams that would gladly have stripped their rosters to get Kobe.

Kobe stated a preference for New York, so I'm sure they'd have gladly given up David Lee, Nate Robinson, Wilson Chandler, and 2 or 3 first round picks to get Kobe.

He also stated a preference for Chicago, and that was probably the only team where any serious talk took place. If the Lakers could have gotten back Deng, Hinrich, Tyrus Thomas, and the #9 draft pick, then they might have at least thought about making the trade. But not only did Chicago balk at trading off that much talent, but Kobe said he'd veto the trade if Deng were included.

So Kobe is basically untradeable.

Staples,

"Are there any teams willing to give up their premier Stars for Kobe?"

The better question is, how many younger premier stars are there in the league that would be worth trading for? I see only 5: LeBron, D-Wade, Melo, Roy, and Durant. And none of their teams would be willing to part with them unless they really wanted to leave.

EJK,

Your assessment of Noah is correct.

I see Noah as 12 rebounds a game (3rd best in the league). And I see him as 1.5 blocks per game (also higher than Bynum). And I see him as someone who always plays hard, night in and night out.

And yes, you are correct, his offense isn't up to Bynum's level. He's an okay shooter and a decent free throw shooter for a big, but he's not someone you can post up much. But with all the offensive weapons the Lakers have, who cares?

And BTW, don't underestimate Anderson Varejao. He outplayed Bynum in BOTH games between the Cavs & the Lakers this season. What good is Bynum's greater size if he's unwilling to try hard enough to use that advantage?

>>>The better question is, how many younger premier stars are there in the
>>>league that would be worth trading for? I see only 5: LeBron, D-Wade, Melo,
>>>Roy, and Durant.

You don't consider Chris Paul a premier star?

Derrick Rose?

Deron Williams?

Dwight Howart?

(Howard... not Howart)

And none of those teams would trade their premiere star for Kobe either.

LOL @ the Trade Kobe Brigade! Y'all are crazy!

Now the Trade Bynum Brigade may very well be on to something. Dude wants to play in a system that's ALL ABOUT HIM - not take his turn and wait in line.

Not co-signing on his mindset...in fact, it shows just how immature today's NBA is. Heh...send him to the Nets! We'll take their best 2 players for him! LOL!

LTLF,

The guys you mentioned above are stars, but not in Kobe's league. They wouldn't bring what Kobe brings to this team either...the 5 guys I mentioned would.

Mamba24:

A nice job with the bandwagon. I bet it must take a lot of your WORK TIME to search then cut and past and keep track of your bandwagon.

Keep up the good work.

You hear that Elizabeth? I am coming to see you..

Mark G:

re: blog squabbles, here is my point of view.

I enjoy reading your post and welcome to cuckoo's nest. As you have witnessed we have global fans from all walks of life. This blog is a window to the state of humanity. It reminds me of little UN. It is a virtual world without borders. When you you put people in a room they first are reserved, then they get brave, pretty soon likes and dislikes surfaces, next thing you know it is like sharks in feeding frenzy. Fighting will never stop until each and every being is at peace for themselves. It is like if you are thirsty then the guy next to you drinking the water is not going to quench your thirst. So peace have to be felt in every single human being's heart and not the guy next to you.

So if you are looking for harmony then look inside and feel it inside and not in this blog, hahaha!!


the beating shall continue until the moral gets better


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