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Lakers' Phil Jackson, Pau Gasol and Derek Fisher debate Kobe Bryant's scoring mentality, team's lack of inside game against Memphis

51982406Well, that nostalgic feeling regarding Kobe Bryant surpassing Jerry West as the Lakers' all-time leading scorer certainly didn't last long. Most of the questions surrounding Tuesday's practice focused on Bryant's high percentage of shots versus the lacking inside game the Lakers presented in a 95-93 loss Monday to the Memphis Grizzlies. The issue first reared its ugly head when Lakers forward Pau Gasol lamented to several reporters immediately after the game about he and Andrew Bynum combining for only 15 points on five of 10 shots.

"Obviously, we were not making a conscious effort to pound the ball inside," Gasol told the Daily News' Elliott Teaford. "So, we settled a little bit too much. It's not like they were double-teaming us a lot. It happens."

"I’m proud of him; I congratulate him," Gasol told the Orange County Register's Kevin Ding about Bryant becoming the franchise's all-time scoring leader. "Now we can focus on winning games again."

Given Gasol's nature, this isn't going to turn into Kobe-Shaq. But it at least got the conversation out in the open, something the media was only happy to facilitate, but without Bryant, who wasn't present during post-practice interviews.

Of course, Bryant's high volume of shots is nothing new. Heck, I've only been here for four weeks and I devoted at least five different posts here, here, here here and here on topics involving Bryant's shot selection. It's become a never-ending point of conversation as Bryant has shot below .500 in 10 of the 14 games since Jan. 5 when he aggravated his right-index finger.

A firmer splint has appeared to correct the issue involving his finger, and Bryant's 44 points on 57.1% shooting (16 of 28) against Memphis is something most teams would take any day. But as Bryant closed out with the team's final 13 points in the second quarter, Lakers Coach Phil Jackson could tell he was seeking to surpass West's record that night, and nothing would get in his way.

Said Jackson: "At halftime, we said, 'Get Kobe the ball quickly so we can get over that record and we can move ahead.' "

Bryant broke the record in the third quarter, but the Lakers didn't move ahead. The Lakers didn't have anyone else posting double-digit shots, and they were outscored inside, 42-26. That's why Jackson said Gasol's complaint was warranted.

Some interesting stuff there.

In some instances Jackson highlights Game 5 of the 1991 NBA Finals where he told Michael Jordan to allow John Paxson some scoring opportunities, the result being Paxson scoring 10 points in the final half of the fourth quarter. Jordan may have preferred leading the comeback charge, but the end result was still there: a 1991 title. Jackson recounts team meetings he's had with the Lakers discussing Bryant's shooting tendencies. Jackson also predicts that'll remain an issue whenever he decides to step down from coaching the team.

Yet, when asked if Bryant has shown that "fine line" Jackson describes between scorers being aggressive and selfish, Jackson says of Bryant, "He certainly has."

Though he agreed with Gasol's assertion that the bigs weren't getting looks inside, Jackson placed the blame on both post players and guards for not working together. Jackson didn't specify to what degree each party was at fault, but Gasol accepted some responsibility for the nonexistent inside game against Memphis.

Even through Bryant's poor shooting performances, the Lakers have shown an effective inside game that can heal most wounds.

Though Bryant certainly shouldn't be immune from criticism for his 31 points on 12 of 31 shooting in last week's loss to the Cleveland Cavaliers, he rightfully lit into his teammates for their lack of toughness (mainly Gasol and Bynum) for allowing the Cavs' front line of Shaquille O'Neal, Anderson Varejao and J.J. Hickson to muscle them inside.

The next day, against New York, Bryant and Gasol led a fourth-quarter charge, scoring 23 of the team's 31 fourth-quarter points. Bryant's 27 points on eight of 24 shooting showed he still took some unnecessary shots, but his six assists were instrumental in sparking Gasol's 20 points, including 10 in the fourth quarter. That was also the case in other road games against Washington and Indiana where Bryant, Gasol and Bynum each posted double figures. 

Though the inside game is an area that can be most corrected, as evidenced by the Memphis loss, it doesn't immediately lead to success. Case in point, Bryant recorded a near triple-double with a team-leading 27 points, a career-high 16 rebounds and nine assists last week against Toronto. He was also instrumental in the Lakers posting 56 points in the paint. Bryant continued to push for more aggressive play from Gasol, who finished with 22 points. Bryant had an uncanny feel for setting up Bynum inside with well-timed passes, resulting in 21 points.Yet, the Lakers still lost to Toronto, 106-105, with the Lakers showing an inability to protect seven- and eight-point leads throughout the game. 

Lakers guard Derek Fisher made two things pretty clear. On one hand he said, "we all respect who he is, what he does for us and the fact we wouldn't be successful as we've been without his presence for us." On the other hand, Fisher added Bryant shouldn't be taking 28 of 73 shots in a game, like he did against Memphis. And though Fisher cited other areas that contributed to last night's loss (such as the lacking inside game), he also argued Bryant's shooting tendencies hindered team chemistry and balance. That's something that would've come in handy on the final play where a double-teamed Bryant found Ron Artest, who missed a corner three-pointer as time expired. Nonetheless, Fisher said the team needs to work better with Bryant. 

Fisher's assertion that Bryant's shooting wouldn't have been a topic of discussion had the Lakers won the game is certainly valid. And as a media member myself, it's totally accurate that we tend to have knee-jerk reactions and opinions on all topics covered.

Bryant's game-winning shot against Boston came against a heavily guarded Ray Allen, and capped off an eight-of-20 shooting performance. Yet, most of the focus was on Bryant making his fifth game-winner of the season and how the victory served as a signature road win. Bryant's one-on-one duel with Allen Iverson in last week's win against Philadelphia wasn't the prettiest game to watch, yet it brought back memories of the 2001 NBA Finals. Though the media may not have asked the questions that we did Tuesday, that doesn't mean the issue still wasn't serious enough to be addressed. It's a conversation Gasol and Fisher both acknowledged they haven't had face-to-face with Bryant.

Here's some statistics they could bring up that Bryant couldn't really argue. The team was 7-5 in January any time Bryant shot below .500. He ended January with a season-low 23.7 points per game and shot only 41%. And of the six games the Lakers lost in the last 18 games, Bryant's total shots represented at least 34% of the team's total shots in five of those losses. 

Here's some statistics Bryant could then present to the team showcasing his worth, courtesy of Statsheet.com

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Lastly, the team can cite these games as examples showing the Lakers' ability to win when Bryant isn't shooting well:

Despite Bryant's 12 points on four of 21 shooting Jan. 10 against Milwaukee, the Lakers won easily because of Bynum (17 points, career-high 18 rebounds), Shannon Brown (19 points) and Jordan Farmar (17 points). Though Bryant had the game winner against Dallas, it was a team effort that ensured the victory, including Bynum's fourth double double in five games, Lamar Odom's 18 points and 14 boards and Artest's (16 points) and Farmar's 11 bench points. And against Orlando on Jan. 18, Brown and Farmar bailed out Bryant's 11 points on four of 19 shooting.

Unfortunately for the Lakers, the aforementioned performances don't always happen. Jackson's decision to sit Bryant until the middle of the fourth quarter against Cleveland and Toronto, for example, resulted in the team proving its inability to consistently fill Bryant's void and resulted in eventual losses.

This issue returning to the forefront may not be perfect in its timing, since it coincided with Bryant's record-breaking milestone. But now that the conversation is out there for public consumption, it's up to the Lakers, including Bryant, his teammates and Jackson to resolve the issue.

-- Mark Medina

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Photo: Lakers guard Kobe Bryant waits to shoot after drawing contact from Grizzlies guard O.J. Mayo in the first half Monday night. Credit: Mike Brown/EPA.

 
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Fisher should not be criticizing Kobe. Fisher has been an absolute piece of garbage this year with his play. He wants Kobe to share shots with him so he can shoot 35%?

Gasol wants the ball more in the post? Late in games against physical defenders, Gasol takes a few dribbles and has to pass it back out, most of the time to Kobe to bail his soft *** out.

Excellent stuff, Mark. Excellent.

Let's remind readers of who this media "tough" guy is:

http://www.ocregister.com/articles/takes-230451-backward-cleveland.html

Shot selection by Kobe is not the Lakers greatest problem on the team. Addressing our physicalness, especially that of the Lakers' second best player is key-

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/196771-why-gasol-will-always-be-deemed-soft

Jon K - done.


dave m - I think it was the one before this (or the one before that). Just recent....


Troy - when you say Kobe is "wild eyed" what exactly do you mean? Cuz that phrase conjurs up images of a crazy son of a gun.... Do you mean when he goes Black Mamba? With the face (snarl)? Cuz that's exactly when I love Kobe the most as he's cutting the heart out of our opponent. So - if that's what you mean - I'll take that Kobe every day and twice on Sunday. Also - when you said "Kobe giveth and Kobe taketh away" I have to ask again to what are you referring? Playing great but not coming through at the buzzer? Cuz there's been a LOT more giving than taking - not just recently but over the course of his career. This man has "given" the city of LA and all of us fans 4 rings. FOUR rings. And he's not done yet. So - yeah - if that's what you mean then I say GIVE, KOBE, GIVE!!! Take whatever you want. My bottle of vodka? My keyboard? My defibrillator? YOURS. I LOVE YOU MAN!

The Lakers won't make it past Denver in the West. It's a crying shame that Kobe won't go inside out and that Phil ain't man enough to demand that as a coach.

Ammo can shoot. Sasha can shoot. If Kobe won't play team ball, put those guys in.

TOM,


I agree completely in how FISH should not have the rights to complain...he jacks up layups and shots like no other...and you're right about his play this season.

Wow, that long road-trip really brought everyone together huh? They're bickering just like family now!

Tom: AGREED!
Read my other posts for more detail about what's wrong and how it is on Pau and AB to assert themselves and break down the lane when Kobe is doubled/tripled!

D. Fish's game is terrible. Beat off the dribble even though he is in good defensive position. He was slow as rookie and is slower now. Remember the difference between D. Fish and Nick Van Exel?

D. Fish's game is perimeter passes that don't lead to baskets. Even though he's Kobe's stooge he couldn't get an assist against memphis with Kobe jacking shots , what gives?

Yes, Kobe overshoots. The real question is why is this happening? Lets speculate...

1. kareen Abdul Jabbar. Kobe has his eye on the end-game, meaning how will he truly leave his impact on the game when he retires. The top prize, no doubt, would be Kareem's all time scoring record, but in order to do this, Kobe needs to execute the Kobe Triangle and garner so many points per game. Every player desires immortality. Will Kobe's ultimate pursuit of Kareem's scoring record destroy his relationship with the Lakers?

2. Kobe wants to prove how tough he is. We all remember the infamous game when a painfully exhausted and thoroughly flu-sickened Michael Jordon, after scoring a bunch of points to beat some team I can't remember, leaned physically spent onto the shoulders of Scotty Pippen as he was led off the court. This image has stuck in the mind of Kobe. Kobe, who at one point was always directly compared to Michael (before Lebron came onto the scene), has never allowed this image to fade from his psyche. So Kobe wears a toughness chip on his shoulder like it's nobody's business. For this, he wants to be remembered, years from now, when he's old and fat. He wants sports commentators to remember him as the toughest player during his era. So when he broke his finger, Kobe started salivating.

Forget about taking a few days off to get his body right. Oh no, not Kobe. Not this tough guy. Not someone who wants to be remembered for playing through injuries. And not only does he play through injuries, he scores alot of points. If you've noticed, whenever Kobe is sick of newly injured, the first few games after he shoots a ton of shots. Whether he makes them or not, or whether the team wins or not, is not important. What is important? Well, that he's tough, of course.

3. Stu's adage of shooting yourself out of a slump. Kobe's a confidant guy, so when he misses a shot, he refuses to let it bother him. Problem is...this is the problem. Another shot will follow very shortly, and if he misses that one, another will follow. Now, when Kobe is on, he's a thing of pure beauty. But when he's off, he's not unlike me gambling at the dollar machines at Pala Casino, confident that things will eventually start falling for me, but usually leaving with a very empty wallet. To Kobe, this is just a part of the deal; you win with me, or you lose with me- but I bet you win with me more often.

4. Kobe the Savior. Kobe isn't shy to admit that when the chips are down, he's the guy to bring the team back to the light. And to an extent, I don't blame him for this. All superstars think this way. It's just that with Kobe, he becomes totally blind when his savior button gets pushed. To Kobe, he and only he can hit the shot. He has the greatest offensive skills, he's the leader of the team, and he's the highest paid guy out there. So naturally, yes, he has to take over games. Besides, isn't this what Michael would do?

5. Kobe's not confident in his teammates. Back in the days of Shaq, Kobe was young, not the leader, and could be contained by the team's vets. When the championships started rolling in, Kobe started to become more assertive, and this caused the team to blow up. Still, you had another superstar in the middle and you had competent veteran role players to fill in the gaps, so it didn't have to be all about Kobe. Nowadays, there's Kobe, and then there's Kobe, and then you have a bit more Kobe. Yes, you have Pau Gasol, but Pau is universally known for hiding in his happy place when the going gets rough. You have Andrew Bynum who's about as consistent as gas prices, and you have Lamar Odom who could easily star in a modern day version of the Invisible Man. Ball goes into Fish, Fish misses the shot. Ball goes into Pau, Pau fumbles it. Ball goes into Bynum, Bynum gets an offensive foul. Ball goes into Artest, and Artest throws it back to Kobe. So, what's Kobe to do? He's won several games at the last second...can any other Lakers say that? He's brought the team back from the brink several times in the 4th quarter...can any other Laker say that? He's dominated opposing teams offensively...can any other Laker say that? Pau may hint it, but until he proves he can play in the big moments, Kobe won't trust him. Maybe one day Artest can be the guy. Until then, Kobe only trusts one guy, and that's Kobe.

Kobe is great. The rest need to pick up their game.
Trade Artest for Ariza.
Don't let Kobe rest 6 minutes into the 4th.
Make Free Throws....
Get the ball inside. At least once per possession.
Sit Fisher the F.... down! Off the bench for him.
Get a shooting point guard, but not Gary Payton this time.
Contest 3's, please.
Lamar, are you eating enough candy?
Sasha, sleep more.
Jordan, it is too bad you're a Bruin.
Luke, you are okay.
DJ, no way.
AM, can't stand the Gonzaga crybaby.
Shannon, needs to start and get a chance for a month, but dude, the game is 48 minutes, concentrate.
You guys make at least $50,000 per game, and most of you, lots more.
I sell your basketball cards, earn it.
Mike

Forgot about Hot and Cold Powell.
Love him when he makes a shot, hate him when he turns the ball over, bricks a shot and doesn't contest drives.

P.J. Good, but needs to call more timeouts. He is the Alfred E. Nueman of coaches, "What me worry". Worry Phil, we need home court advantage.

RE: Mike Dills 'Don't let Kobe rest 6 minutes into the 4th.'
Add: PJ!!! Call one of your 2 remaining timeouts when you get the last possession and setup some picks and a play or set to get that last 2 to tie or 3 to win!!!

PS. A completely disorganized waste of a last possession last night..........but Kobe made the correct play to an open Artest!

Let's see, now. Derek Fisher blames Kobe. Phil Jackson placed the blame on both post players and guards for not working together. Whose opinion to you believe? In Phil, I trust. Same with Kobe.

Season after season, the Lakers take to the floor like paying ticket holders, standing around leaving everything to Kobe. It's been like this for as long as I can remember. During most games, Fish is so uninvolved it seems like the broadcast announcers go all 48 minutes without even mentioning his name.

Yes, I know, every now and then Fish will make an important shot in the 4th quarter and we all go, "Ooooooooooooh! Guess he still has something to contribute."

Excuses, gripes, and more excuses after a road trip with three losses. Great! Pau blames Kobe, saying "I guess we can now get back to the business of winning." Fish whining. Coach grumbling. Sounds like they should just start their own blog, LOL.

Demand the ball! Kobe seems like a willing distributor when his team mates are active.

I've said it before and I'll say it again. The rotations need a shakeup. Put Farmar in the starting lineup. He doesn't stand around like a spectator. And he's shown he knows how to get the ball to Pau and to Bynum. Now that Phil is speaking out and holding everyone accountable, maybe he'll follow up and make some changes. Maybe this "so-so" road trip is a wakeup call. I hope so.

Everyone.

Just pay attention to the GAME. Not the stats! Gasol can't complain about Kobe shooting too much... Not when the ball goes in the post and he can't score! Sure he can score against some of the weak teams out there with no center. But when he plays a big physical team.. he evaporates! Bynum, same thing. Hell, Kobe shot 57% scored 44 pts and we LOST!.... Not KOBE'S fault! Blame everyone else, not Kobe!

Blame the defense, which by the way is the reason the Lakers are losing theses games. Period... Tougher inside play from Gasol, Bynum, and Odumb, and we would only have 4-5 loses all year!

DJ

So I hope I'm getting this right. Loyal bloggers act like I'm an idiot for suggesting that Kobe is shooting too much, yet the Laker's HOF 10-title coach and veteran 4-title point guard say the same thing?

Are we really going to keep making excuses and claiming that no one knows what they're talking about and nothing is ever Kobe's fault?

well how about that? Cleveland WHOMPS Memphis tonight and Lebron took 14 shots in 37 minutes and had FIFTEEN assists. Hello? I hate the Kobe/Lebron comparison as much as the next guy but... give Lebron credit, HE GETS IT. You can't leave all of your teammates standing around figuring the ball will never come their way and then expect them to suddenly turn it on if, by some miracle, they do touch the ball.

aztronut - yeah, kinda feels like the big bang theory around here lately.

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Troy - I haven't always agreed with your posts but that was awesome. I thought the guy deserved to go off last night. I mean c'mon, he's done everything so far this season, started off with this outrageous post-up trend and when he busted his finger he just "adjusted" his game. Adjusted? Seriously? He's played with a bad back, rolled his ankle, played through the flu and intravenous fluids at halftime (old hat to him). He's boarded like crazy, been tossing in plenty of assists. Routinely asks to defend the toughest assignments. Hyper-extends his knee and then just "works through it". Hyper-extends his elbow, works through it. Hits crazy buzzer beaters to win games because he CAN and we NEED him to. And then he shoots 57% to pass the Logo for the record and people start complaining, his teammates, the press, bloggers, even Phil. Here's the REAL truth - if he took the last shot and made it last night, everybody would be saying how brilliant the whole thing was and patting themselves on their backs. Personally, I think he should have dropped 100 on Memphis.

D Fish

This guy has the nerve to say Kobe should not be taking a certain amount of the teams shot's what a nut ! Fish has been next to Luke Walton one of the teams most painful player to watch this year and this Napoleon opens his little traitor
mouth when he has not been able to hit the back of the barnyard door ! Gasol
needs to shut his pie hole and get a rebound ! Phil is the guru of do do his time is
up.

Without Kobe, this team will not make it past the first round of the playoff. This team's toughness is not existence. Pau & AB have no right to question Kobe's shot selections when they, repeated, they have not demonstrated that they can assert themselves and win the game.

And for DFish, the guy who never could make a simple layup and open shots! Look at the mirror, you're the primary cause of the team breakdown since almost every PGs know that they can run pass you for an easy layups.

Don't blame Artest & Kobe, they bring 110% every night.

By the way Pau, your little brother outplayed you last night. He's playing like an all stars player, you are playing like an averaged big men in the NBA.

Yes, Kobe generally takes too many ill-advised shots, but in this particular game most of them (57%) happened to go in. Should he have instead passed more to Fisher, who went 1-for-6 (I’m about ready to give Fish a new nickname – “One-For” – because that’s been such a common statistic in his game this season) and had zero assists?

I agree with those that say Kobe is shooting a bit too much.So what if Kobe was shooting 60%.Kobe was shooting lights out for three years post-Shaq and the team got nowhere.

The difference during those post-shaq years to these days is that Kobe has much better supporting cast.He should use all the weapons he has.This team was nothing before Pau.Without Pau,no one would consider us title favorites.

Having said Pau is not above blame.Even Bynum.No team having two 7 footers in their lineup should give up 12 offensive rebounds like they did yesterday.Both of them should learn to assert themselves(as others have said) and stamp their mark on the game.You guys have talked the talk.Now you need to walk the walk.Disappearing in big games,missing clutch free-throws,lazy rebounding is not going to do it...

Do Lakers have a Coach?

All of these players have egos to protect as well as their contracts. Don't we notice when they are interviewed, nobody is wrong, nobody is willing to admit mistakes like some people here on the blog. They all know the solutions why the team is losing or winning or coming around. Someone talk of cockiness that they can just turn it ON or turn it OFF in the 4th Q.

Well, the good Lord giveth and also taketh it away.

I wish everyone should keep their mouth shut and let the Coach implement a little discipline to an All Star cast. PJ knows what Kobe can do and his other bigs, it's about time the Zen Master earn his dough and start coaching and directing rather than being distracted by small backstabbing and mutiny. It is good that the bench players are not even complaining for playing time like Adam who used to be a franchise player in College.

C'mon Kobe, let's work for the team, this is your team and being a great player you know that you cannot do it alone. You need your teammates in order to win games.

C'mon Pau, Drew you guys have some limitations as well, got to admit your shortcomings and start learning new tricks. Get a personal tutor.

C'mon Fish, Farm you two guys are pathetic as PG's. You are supposedly the team organizers when the ball is in play, the court general out there, what have you done with this team lately? Get a personal Coach to handle your own deficiencies. If Tiger Woods is willing to go to a Pro whether on his golf game or his dalliances, everyone in the team should make amends and improve your game.

It's a team play and nobody should be above the team. This is Coach K formula in getting back the gold medal to USA.

I love the Lakers too, and to me they're more important than Kobe, or Pau, or Drew. What I hear comming out of Drew and Pau aren't seeds of disension, but the truth. The Lakers are a much better team when the Bigs get touches early in the offense, esp Pau, since he is a much better passer than Drew is at this point. Look at usage v. PER charts for Pau and Kobe, Kobe is overused and Pau is underused, this really backs up what the bigs are saying, we play better inside out. Touches for out bigs not only gets them involved in the game, but it also puts pressure on the opposing bigs to play D. In the Boston game Perkins got 2 early fouls and had to leave the game.
Like I said earlier, I wouldn't put all of last nights loss on Kobes shot selection, a lot of things went bad last night. But, if Kobe is going to take ~30 shots a game v a team like the Cavs in the finals, we're going to lose. Does that mean Kobe shouln't take the game winner, of course not, he remains the teams most clutch shooter, but there is a lot to each game other than the last 15 seconds.

When the team loses, there are many factors that come into play, from giving up offensive boards, bench play, health, fatigue, coaching, foul trouble, etc., you name it, there's always a reason for a loss. The difference is the media continues to focus on the same questions over and over again - is Kobe taking too many shots? Hence, we as fans continue to make his shot selection the dominant topic, when in actuality, Kobe's play "is the LEAST of the Laker problems" when it comes to winning championships. Listen to the continual barrage of questions being asked in the videos, they are basically begging and baiting Phil, Fish and Pau to criticize Kobe. There's a reason that Mark Medina, who is doing a fine job, continues to bring up this topic over and over again, as if Kobe's play will prevent the team from getting to the finals. Wait a second, didn't we get to the finals two years running? I almost forgot that Kobe won a ring and is the finals MVP for a second. One would think he is a detriment to the team, and is becoming a liability. Don't be swayed by the media's dirty tactics to marginalize Kobe's contributions.

For example, any fan that watches most of the Laker games knows that Fish has been struggling. He's struggling with his shot, he can't run a fast break, can't play defense, and worse of all, makes rookie type decisions, but why doesn't the media question Fish about his play, why doesn't the media make a big deal about the biggest liability on the team, why do they only ask questions about Kobe? Hasn't Fish's play been at least a little worse than Kobe's play this season? Because Fish is an awesome class guy, everyone loves him, who cares about the integrity of the game and the real issues surrounding the losses? It's easier to pick on Kobe because he is such a polarizing figure, he's a superstar, and he generates hits for anyone that writes about him, especially for those who criticize him.

In our quest to repeat, I assure you that Kobe's play is the LAST thing we as fans need to be concerned about. He has brought us SIX finals apprearances and four championships, and if not for his INJURIES this year, he has added new weapons to his arsenal. Don't buy into the media's obsession to marginalize Kobe's contributions, his achievements, and his ability to do what's right to win another championship. Kobe will be fine.

blaming kobe for this loss? that man do everything he can to bail their sloppy butts out. who is outrebounded? who shots poorly? fisher has the nerve to complain? he usually shoots 1 for whatever number of shoots he takes. pau whine, oh yeah he is -7 and is outrebounded by his brother. it's not bad to complain, to whine or whatever if you are doing your part, but if not, man you better shut the eff up! yeah, kobe should pass, see what happens in the end game, that's what happen if kobe passes. that's what fisher and pau wants.

woahhh what is all this huge commotion, I dont get why the media and fans got into this, just making it all worse. Everyone shutup, you guys are supposed to back up your team no matter what and be "LOYAL" fans.

"I'm proud of him, I congratulate him," Pau Gasol said. "Now we can focus on winning games again."

Hey, 0-12 playoff player (Pau Gasol for those who do not know who holds such a atrocious playoff record before joining the Lakers). You have been part of two championship teams but please please do not say "focus on winning games again". NO ONE in the NBA wants to win more than Kobe. For you to say something like that is plain ignorant. When you truly want to focus on winning games (against elite teams) again, please Gasol play like a man and stop playing with so much fear at the end of close games.

This is Gasol's payback for Kobe calling him out for his softness earlier in the road trip. Kobe shot well over 50 percent last night; I do not see what the problem was with his shot selection. All I know is that Gasol did not guard Randolph at all last game... foul trouble? or Randolph too physical for this soft Euro? Do we really want Gasol with the ball at the end of the game? The ONLY big game Gasol did well in at the end of the game was LAkers vs Denver game 3 last year. THE ONLY GAME. So shut your mouth Gasol and TRY not being scared at the end of close games.

Without Kobe on this team, the Lakers might not make the playoffs in the West. Deep in my heart, I want to see Kobe not shoot the next game, just like back in the day against the Kings. I hate how people do not appreciate this GREAT GREAT player playing in front of us and finds all these criticisms. I want to see how Gasol handles the bigs in the Denver game. Just look at his playoff averages. Enough said.

TRADE THE SELFISH, OVER RATED LEADER, OVER RATED TEAM MATE TO Cleveland for ultimate team player LBJ:

WONDER WHY IT TOOK KOBE 10 YEARS TO WIN ONLY ONE MVP AWARD?

THIS CURRENT ROSTER COULD WIN WITH DWAde OR LBJ MANY TITLES.

ABOUT TIME SOMEONE STOOD UP AND CALLED OUT THE SELFISH BALL HOG

KOBE IS CLUELESS WHEN IT COMES TO TEAM CONCEPT! FOR SOME REASON HE THINKS BASKETBALL IS SOLITARY GAME..

SO WHAT IF HE PLAYS WITH A BROKEN FINGER, IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH LEADERSHIP BUT MORE TO DO WITH HIM WANTING TO BREAK RECORDS AND PROVE HIS STUPIDITY.

THIS TEAM WILL NOT WIN THIS YEAR, I AM PICKING CLEVELAND

ABND LET HIM KNOW HIS SHOT SELECTIONS AND GLAD DFISH IS THE MAN:

For his team mates Pau and Bynum to constantly say they need more touches is a polite way of telling Kobe to STOP being a SELFISH BALL HOG.

Kobe is the most over rated team player and the most selfish.

has the balls to speak up an

KOBE never understood a team concept nor does he comprehend leadership, it is just not in his systems. He may be the 3rd best Laker but certainly THE MOST SELFISH team ever to lace up..

LakerTom,

you wrote this: Like all good prevaricators, you have mastered the art of including elements of truth to mislead. JK. But the truth is greyer than you claim. Yes, it’s up to players to move and cut but you can’t tell me that it’s not intimidating the way Kobe will post up and demonstratively demand the ball or – and I have seen this over and over to Drew as he was considering cutting into the lane in front of the rim –emphatically wave a player off. It’s clear he is telling players at times NOT to get in his way. But that is also part of what makes Kobe so great. At times he will overshoot and hog the ball. And more times than not, the Lakers will win as a result. Those fans who think Kobe will not end up shooting less and feeding the post more as we approach the playoffs are actually insulting and disrespecting Kobe’s BB intelligence, his understanding of the importance of playing as a team, and his desire to win.

my response:

1. thank you for responding.

2. Do you purposefully try to be a tool or is it a God given gift?

To clarify: In our last conversation, I asked you to respond not hide.
Thanks fore responding. Again. The meat of your response to my question is:

But the truth is greyer than you claim. Yes, it’s up to players to move and cut but you can’t tell me that it’s not intimidating the way Kobe will post up and demonstratively demand the ball or – and I have seen this over and over to Drew as he was considering cutting into the lane in front of the rim –emphatically wave a player off. It’s clear he is telling players at times NOT to get in his way.

The rest of it is just taking shots at me. Sorry you feel the need to be a tool.
Thanks for answering my question. have a nice day.

I think everyone's at fault. The Lakers definitely need to turn up a few notches to reach championship form. They're not playing bad, just not as good as they can.
Throughout a season, these internal bickerings happen on every team and it's really a good thing.
They'll figure it out.

Fisher argued Bryant's selfish tendencies hindered team chemistry:

NO DOUBTS..NO DOUBTS..


Anyway, an excellent post MM. I think this is an issue that will continue to be talked about.

KOBE Little flying selfish warrior, words of ancient wisdom from far east for you:

1. Man with one chopstick go hungry

2. Man who play 5 alone lose easy

3. Man cannot clap with one hand

4. Man with one finger difficult to hold the ball

5. One famous blogger lakerTom once say "It is all about respect". So I say respect your team mates

just caught up late on some blog reading.. (damn this blog was crackin today.. dont you people have day jobs? at least MM gets paid for this)

i have to say i am just sick to my stomach at all this absurd level of criticism, vitriol and just outright hate directed at kobe even today.. if we learned one thing is kobe will never ever be vindicated from colorado. its just truly amazing at how fans can keep backlashing and keep putting the onus every single time squarely on his shoulders... JUST DESPICABLE.

AND YOU WANNA KNOW THE REAL IRONY HERE??

whats even more mind boggling is that the very two guys on his own team.. the two real culprits themselves who deserve the lions share of the blame here... (ONE INCOMPETENT POINT GUARD AND ONE SMUG HARDHEADED ARROGANT PRICK OF A COACH.. PHILLIP AND DFISH THEMSELVES) actually went to the media today and just completely threw kobe under a bus.. they both took absolutely no responsibility for anything here and just put it all on kobe.. at least gasol had the decency to blame some of the team's misfortunes on his own lack of agressiveness.... WOW.. i still cant believe what i just watched.

WALLACE:

You wrote: "Without Kobe, this team will not make it past the first round of the playoff. "

Response: "Without his team mates Kobe would never be able to win period, mutually inclusive."


CURRENT LAKER ROSTER IS TALENTED ENOUGH TO WIN MANY TITLES WITH EITHER DWade and Lebron. I would even venture out to say they could break Chicago's best regular season record..

NO Doubts.. I say get rid of selfish ball hog!!

AND YOU WANNA KNOW THE REAL IRONY HERE??

Not really!!

@chuck23.........Phil Jackson "the guru of do do"..........I love it!!

I've never seen so much shhhhhhh come out of someone's mouth than when Phil Jackson begins to talk. When you sum up everything he has to say you get nothing. It's like taking a rocket up and chasing the blue in the sky......only to realize that the sky isn't really blue......it just appears blue. When you follow Phil Jackson looking for truth, definition. or direction.....you come out holding a fist full of nothing.

I do have to give it to Phil however because his diversion tactics were excellent as he held court with reporters who resembled frat bros/Lakerfans from some local college. I mean think about the video.........not one question about anything relevant to the Laker problems or analysis of his coaching and decision making.

Not one time did you hear....."Hey Phil, why didn't you call a timeout on that last possession? Were you even awake over there?

"Hey Phil, Should Gasol be on the Staples Center flo.........or the streets of San Francisco"?


Hey Phil, Derek Fisher can't throw a pebble in the ocean while standing on the beach..........he can't defend any pt in the league, he can't finish at the basket, his decisions are beyond horrible and yet he is still playing 30+ minutes.......why?

Speaking of Derek Fisher what makes him think he can assess Kobe's shooting? That would be like Tito Jackson complaining that Michael sang to much lead with the Jacksons........Can you imagine Tito saying......."hey, I think everyone should sing lead equally........It's Tito time"!

I guess that's why Michael said in "Wanna be startin' something"........."you're a buffet........they eat off of you"..............because all of the Lakers are eating off of Kobe's greatness but at the same time envious that they have to.


The seeds of dissension are again being sown by Phil Jackson as he creates an environment for the mediocre to complain about the hand that feeds them.......without repercussion.

What a difference one game makes. After the win over the Celtics on Sunday, Kobe was God, then a loss to Memphis, everyone's pointing fingers. Kobe didn't take too many shots, the Lakers defense sucked against the Grizzlies, no one boxed out on rebounds. The whole night the Lakers had mostly one shot opportunity, no one fought for offensive rebounds on missed shots, there was no rotation on low post defense against Zach Randolph. Blame Phillip for the loss, old man never made any adjustment on defense - it was Phillip's great coaching that got them the loss at Memphis.

WHAT IS WRONG WITH THIS PICTURE????

Are all these people wrong or is it true?

WHY did it take Kobe so long to win his one and only MVP award?

Why did KG not want to play with Kobe?

Why did Fish make such a statement? "Fisher argued Bryant's selfish tendencies hindered team chemistry.”

Why did Gasol make such a statement? "I’m proud of him; I congratulate him," Gasol told the Orange County Register's Kevin Ding and "Now we can focus on winning games again."

Why did Phil make such a statement? "At halftime, I told the guys he's forcing the action and let's get him over the hump so we can start playing team ball out there," Jackson said.
Phil you mean let Kobe get his record?

All you Kobe fans get upset at LakerTom for showing his bias towards Bynum but did it occur to you that you may be on the same boat with your bias for Kobe?

hey jonk

no disrespect but if ur so quick to judge all the luke and dfish bashing where are you now during this kobe crisis? kobe is being bashed here cant you see?? where's our moral compass now in our greatest moment of need?

Excellent post MM. Thanks for the good work. Had been looking for this issue ( of Kobe imposing his will on the Lakers offense ) being brought out and discussed on the blog. It isn't easy since his enormous talent makes up for the detriment to "team ball" more often than not and it ends up being invisible/ignored.Also, there aren't too many fans of KB24 who are tolerant of his criticism :) We owe much of our success to his great skills but the problems he presents are chronic and not of the regular kind. Some inveterate tendencies of Kobe need to change if the Lakers are to realize their true potential and win as many championships as they are capable of.

pFUNK36:

You wrote: "I've never seen so much shhhhhhh come out of someone's mouth than when Phil Jackson begins to talk. When you sum up everything he has to say you get nothing. "

response: Only folks who practice Zen understand Phil and it is apparent that you do not. In nothing lies the answer but you are indeed too dense

Nice work on this.

Pau started talking about this in December, so I asked him about it. He backed off immediately, which left me wondering, "When is this going to become a burr under the saddle?"
In December, he didn't mention Kobe. Pau just mentioned his own lack of shots.

But if there's a shortage of shots with the Lakers, there's really only one place to look.

Roland Lazenby

We have 0-12 in the playoffs Pau Gasol assessing the best way to win games.

We have I cannot defend, make layups, or make jump shots, Fisher talking about shot selection.

Fisher makes me sick.
This coat-tail riding pile of excrement doesn't deserve to wear the Laker colors. 1 for 6 shooting for 2 points, 0 assists, and 0 rebounds and you have the guts to point fingers? Pathetic!
He nearly killed the Lakers title hopes in '02 when Mike Bibby abused his pathetic defense over and over. Troy Hudson? Fried fish. He's been a massive liability to this team for years.

Smart player? When your opponent is red hot from outside you don't continually go under the screen. He's so slow that he can't stop penetration even when he DOES go under. What's the point?
I remember one game against Houston with the Lakers leading by 3 with a few seconds left. The only thing that can hurt you is a 3 pointer. What does this "smart player" do? He pathologically goes under the screen leaving a wide open 3 to tie the game.

He's killing this team. It's 4 on 5 on both ends of the court. The bigs don't bring energy every game but at least they are NBA caliber players. Fish is a joke, propped up by people who should know better.

Gasol getting the bulk of the shots = 0-12 in the playoffs.
Kobe shooting = 4 Finals appearances and 3 titles.

Enough said. Shaq had a right to demand the the ball. He was a physical beast down low. Princess GASOL? pleaseeee

It is time for Derek Fisher to retire. We knew his physical health was deteriorating with his atrocious play, but now his mental health is getting worse. 1-6 shooting from Fisher last night. Kobe should have had 33 of the 73 shots; it is better than having useless Fisher shooting less than twenty percent from the field.

Don't give me this bull crap about how he made those huge shots in the Finals. If he wasn't shooting 0-5 from three or getting torn apart on defense, the Lakers wouldn't have needed his shots.

Yes, Kobe does overshoot at times. But yes, this has been going on since Shaq left. This is especially evident going down the stretch in ballgames - not in the last minute but over the last few minutes of most games that is remotely close. It is a bit similar to what LeBron does at the end of games, he almost plays 1-on-5.

I say this also admitting that,
1) Kobe is clearly the best shooter on the Lakers,
2) He is the only Laker that can create his own shot anywhere on the court,
3) Pau and Andrew should be more demanding of the ball in the post,
4) Fisher has hit some clutch shots, but generally has struggled this year with his shooting stroke,
5) Artest clearly is struggling to grasp the Laker offense, fit-in and find his rhythm.

Kobe is doing similar to what Jordan did, he takes over games because his will to win is so great. He has had success and triumphs, this is why Kobe continues to take over end of game situations. Kobe does have to be more conscience though to incorporate his teammates, he was great at it last year and the year before that, and very good at it earlier this year.

It seems that only since his -latest- finger injury has this became a problem since his shooting has gone down to 43% (from a career-best 49% pre-injury). I must admit I do start to squirm the last couple weeks a little bit when Kobe comes down the court for the third or fourth consecutive time at the end of a close game and stops running the offense, instead dribbles for a time and ends up taking a contested, bad shot. Kobe has got to realize that his finger is causing him to miss more often, and try instead to incorporate his teammates more.

I really hope this boils over, we don't need another Shaq-Kobe type feud. Pau and D-Fish are only echoing what Phil Jackson said, as vets they do deserve to be heard. I believe that Kobe is mature enough at this point to not let this affect his play, hopefully this doesn't start to creep into team unity...

I am glad these issues are being worked out now instead of near playoff time. The first road trip and we get alot of adversity and questions with time to fix them. They should be tougher. Gasol has shown he can play great defense. Bynum should be a brick wall in there. At the same time Kobe has another broken finger he is playing with. Knowing he can't shoot the ball well its the perfect time to distribute and build team chemistry. It's a no brainer but why won't he do it? They are champions so I am confident it will be worked out. In that Memphis game, psychologically it was in the front of Bynum's mind about another season ending injury and in the back of everyone elses.

kb24 best in the world.
the rest is just jealous talk.
all stfu and ride kb24's coat tail to another title.
kb24 soon to have 5th ring in coming months.
finit.

This post is awesome, MM.
I woke up this morning and found all the Twitters about it and then came in to read it.
It's probably your most complete post to date, and also on one VERY important matter.

Before I drift into it, let me repost briefly something that otherwise will get lost (a repost from previous thread)

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LA Guy... erm... try and make LeBronze play with the injuries Kobe has right now, and had ALL SEASON LONG, and all of his supposed stats will DISAPPEAR faster than oxygen around a candle that burns under a glass.
Guy is a crybaby.
PLEASE.
You'ere clearly LeBroniac.
At least be sincere. Nothing wrong with it. But maybe this isn't really your forum or your team. Don't hide behind a finger.

To all of you who wants Gasol traded: you're clearly under the influence of something.

Pau is here to stay.

Marc is a good player, but I fear he costs way too much.

I'd like to see the bros together HERE though. BUt NOT at the esxpense of Bynum. Just my two cents.

About the debate on Kobe... I am ready with a longer post soon.

Gotta gather thoughts.

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I gathered thoughts.

Well, I was expecting the tensions to surface. I ma assuming all of our players, and especially Fish and Pau are the dearest and the closest to Kobe, so if I see and hear them vocalizing these kind of critics OPENLY at the disposal of press I guess there's something that was going on for a while.

PJ is being PJ: he addresses stuff this way and I am not gonna stand against him EVER. He knows what he's talkin about, and he knows, most importantly, how to talk about to achieve the best outcome. Especially when it's about team balancing (I mean.. GREAT teams balancing) and when it's about big ego players, like Kobe is.

All that said preventively, I can't deny I am a bit surprised for the timing of the pouring off.

I have also to say I genuinely not fully agree.

Yes, Kobe is a bit overshooting. I keep not worry that much cos I know when he feels he has (for the sake of the team) to be less selfish he will do it. He has been showin that ALSO in this road trip, in games when he has been a facilitator mostly. Just recall it guys.. it has not happened like ages ago.

What happened yesterday had to do with his milestone.
He shouldn't have?
Maybe.
But heck... I won't gear in and pontificate about it: he friggin DESERVED that moment, especially in his difficult state right now: guy is injuried from the start of the season. This mounts frustration in even into him.

What Pau and Derek are asking (I don't see them disrespecteful, anyway, AT ALL. This is normal teammate talk and only a bad kind of mum&dirt journalism (i.e. BSPN) will dig too much into it to create out from a good teammate tension a twistingly bad teammate tension, right?) is that Kobe has to feel he's not alone.

When Kobe feels alone he drives all through himself.

He hasn't, and what I am saying (and I take the words of our players and coach also with that well disposed sense of mind and heart) is that he is in fact NOT alone.

They are not bashing Kobe.

They are telling Kobe "Look, man... we still here. Backin you. Don't feel lonely. You aren't."

This is what they say in sport terms.

That is good and will surely be usefl and will surely be taken by Kobe in the right way cos he knows and trusts and respects all these three who have spoken out.

Now though, let me explain why I am not completely agreeing with these speeches by Pau and Derek.

I don't think there's any evidence needed that I LOVE to death both of them.
They're my second and third favourite Laker (Derek tied with Lamar) so, no will of bashing again.

BUT.

Pau, honey... you have to make yourself VISIBLE and moreover visible to Kobe's eyes for claiming you want more ball. I haevn't seen you bad last game actually; underperforming a bit, but you fought fine for me and you fought decently fine also with Celtics. The only game whenn you haven't been there, dear, has been the one against the Cavemen. There Shaq and Varejao OWNED you. I ma sure they won't again (I am REALLY sure actually) but still, the way you have been played lately doesn't allow Kobe to land all the ball you ask for unless you won't openly ask him.

I followed last two games closely and as usual I love to dig into players gestures on court, without the bal and especially when you, my lakers, interact on court. Dear... Pau... apple of my eye... You never really suggested more ball to Kobe. Not yesterday. Nor the game before.

Blaming Kobe then (though again, I don't read those words as "blaming") is a bit out of focus.

Be there more. And interact more. And he will lean on you. He doesn't expect anything less, I am sure. Whatever people here may think on that, Kobe knows that he won't win again alone. Especially this year, when he's totally torn out by several and impacting injuries (and still, he's our light... again.. LeBron would be a crybaby in his bed by months with half of Kobe's flaws physically now... ).

Kobe knows he has enormous need of his teammates if he wants to replicate.

But yesterday had to be his day.
I am not gonna discuss that.
It would feel like I am disrespecting the greatest player I have ever seen play with my own eyes. Sometimes... even Kobe needs his candy. Leave him alone, for once. He knows what he needs to do after. He will.

About Derek... well what he said isn't wrong. But it's a team duty to build up a kind of gluing and bond that eases the momentarily unperfect situations on court.

We are far from perfect this season.
But we have all the talent and the skill needed to repeat.
Unless injuries strike and take a further toll on us. Then we couldn't do anything. Even miracles at a certain point fall short on the plan.

Games prior to the All Star Game are really a question mark. I fear Denver a lot. BUt not now. I fear them in the playoffs. I have always pointed this out, even before any game started this season.

But if we are fine physically (or at least fine enough) they will be beated again.

To be honest, my only concern still the healthy department. It's my one and only concern.

These supposed beef (they are not) among our playesr are just chess gaming and teases. It's not serious. It's lockeroom talk.

There are issues addressed but I have always been aware that when we hear the actual issues spoken off clearly and loud for the press, in fact our players have already fronted one another in the secrete space of the lockers and sorted things out OFF from our eyes. The way it has to be.

Don't read too deep in these interviews. It's just a shout out to a teammate (the most important of them all) to make him feel less lonely.

Now our players just need to ACT to make him feel less lonely.

And everythng will be fine.

Everything.

Great Quote by Bill Plaschke:

"We've heard this before. I've spouted it before. But enough already. Bryant's ball hogging has become four-time championship hogging. For now, his teammates should stop moaning and count their money.

You want the ring? You accept Bryant's need for the bling. You want him to have the energy and attention required to make those last-second shots? Then you put up with all the earlier ones.........................He(KB24) was very good Monday night. What Gasol failed to mention was that, by not pounding the ball inside, Bryant made 57% of his shots and scored 44 points and could have won the game if he didn't actually pass up a final shot.

What Gasol also failed to mention is that despite the loss, the Lakers remain the best team in basketball and the favorite to defend their championship.

I can think of 25,208 reasons why."


enough said............Gasol should stop moaning. Fisher knows better, he should shut the **** up!

It will be another ten years before Kobe wins another MVP, The fact is LJ is at the top of his game, team player. Kobe will show all you critics, He may not take a shot the first half. We all remember that against Sac town, and Rick Fox and the other players criticized his motive. But saying all this, the Lakers in 6 against the Cavs.

trade LEBRON for KOBE?

Well, well. Plaschke finally got something right: "But enough already. Bryant's ball hogging has become four-time championship hogging. For now, his teammates should stop moaning and count their money."

Justa-

See my long post. It should answer your questions. When I say wild-eyed, it's that expression Kobe gets, where as he feels he can do whatever he wants on the court. I'm sure his teammates see it, and they get sick to their stomach, UNLESS there's only a few seconds left in the game...

I haven't posted here in a long time, but this issue caused me to want to get my thoughts out.

First of all, everyone, including the players, need to calm down a bit and remember a couple of things: (1) they're still 37-12, which is the 2nd best record in the NBA and #1 in the West; (2) the loss at Memphis was the 8th game of an 8 game, 12 day road trip with 3 back to backs; (3) the Memphis game was after a dramatic, draining Celtics game; (4) Memphis has improved quite a bit; and (5) the debate is over a game where Kobe shot, what, 18-26? That's 69%. If he's that hot, I'll take it every time. That's way, way, way better than anyone else was shooting during that game. If there was ever a game the Lakers probably should have lost, it was this one. Despite all this, they still would have won it if Ron-Ron's shot had gone in. I'm disappointed, of course, but frankly not surprised.

That having been said, the offense just doesn't have the same flow this year. The cause of Kobe's January shooting problems is obvious - no one is going to shoot very well with a huge splint on the middle finger of the shooting hand. But, very often, I see the sharp, crisp passing of the triangle die, and it's not Kobe's fault. Bynum is a black hole - many times, he's good enough to put in in the hole, which is good, but the ball stops with him. Odom has pretty much disappeared for good stretches of this season. Even Pau has had his games where he's not been effectively offensively. I'm not enough of an expert in NBA offenses, especially the triangle, to diagnose what's going on from a technical basketball standpoint, but the offense hasn't really been in sync most of the season, and has been getting many nights because of Kobe. I think the problem isn't Kobe's shot selection, but rather complacency. The players just aren't in tune with each other like they were last year. I think getting those rings caused a major attitude shift and let down in everyone but Kobe and Ron-Ron. And I'm sorry, but Pau and Bynum both got abused by the Cavs inside guys, and in some other games, which is inexcusable considering their talent level.

Fisher: I love him as we all do, and I've been watching him for years like everyone has. Unfortunately, though, I think his time has past. I think it would be way too disrespectful to trade him, and I can't see him leaving LA at this point, so I think the only answer for this year is to keep him as the starter but slowly reduce his minutes, then convince him to retire after the season. Send him out with a "Viking Funeral", as I read on here somewhere. The simple fact is that the Lakers get almost zero production on either side of the ball from him nowdays. Sad to say, and maybe a tad sacreligious, but true. We love you Fish, but your time has probably come. Unfortunately, Farmer isn't the answer.

In conclusion, I really think that all this will be sorted out and the team will be peaking again come playoff time. We saw these kind of let downs time and time again from 99-02, and even with the showtime teams. The Spurs had the same problem during their runs. All is not lost. We're still the most talented team in the league. Sorry for rambling.

Are you kidding me? Notice the guys complaining about lack of shots are the guys not making their shots? Pau has been weaker than my grandmother. Drew has always thought he's way better than he actually is. When he starts playing with some consistency then he can crow. And Fish has always been one of my favorite players but should Kobe feel comfortable giving up the ball to guys who are not making their shots? You never doubt, no matter how many shots he's taking, that Kobe is giving 100%. There are nights I watch Pau and Drew and I swear they take fouls just to get off the floor!! And Phil? His coaching decisions have lost us more games this year than any questionable shot selection by Kobe. Maybe Phil's just trying to deflect the blame.

don't worry. they'll get the ball. we'll see what they are made of. jeff van gundy knows whats up. listen to his opinion on the team.

Gasol and Bynum are crying about scoring when the Lakers are losing because of lack of consistent defense..The Lakers are always losing big leads and seem nonchalant and no energy...Gasol and Bynum need to toughen up and defend the middle. I know they are two seven footers without the quickness, but damn, knock down some of those little guards that are always penetrating and hurting the team...Lakers weakness are lack of toughness and defense....NOT SCORING>>

Tom, I also agree with you about FISH -- he stays in attack mode and when was the last time he actually converted a layup, or made a play for a teammate that didn't result in a turnover! Hell, he cannot even make a good entry pass to the post..Its easy to blame Kobe..Its convenient cuz you know what, Kobe of all players, can't take the ISH! He just comes back harder and better. Other players simply WILT!

Wow. Nice to see "The Master" Roland Lazenby pop his head in here.

Always a treat.

What do we play for? RINGS!!!!

Lakers Today... Lakers Tomorrow... Lakers Forever.

GO LAKERS!!!!

As for Pau, he doesn't even attempt to attack more physical teams..he immediately goes into a shell and blames Kobe after a game in which he never really got into the game in the first place!

But to me is very BEYOTCH like to go and complain to the media for something you cannot or have not said to that man's face (KOBE) beforehand..Very disappointed in Pau for that punk ass display!

Phil Jackson, Pau Gasol, and Derek Fisher see what I see.

Our inside game needs to be our first option.

Kobe is the best player on the planet, but we win playing team ball.

What do we play for? RINGS!!!!

Lakers Today... Lakers Tomorrow... Lakers Forever.

GO LAKERS!!!!

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DON’T BLAME KOBE – BANDWAGON
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(01) LAKER TRUTH – OWNER - In our quest to repeat, I assure you that Kobe's play is the LAST thing we as fans need to be concerned about. He has brought us SIX finals apprearances and four championships, and if not for his INJURIES this year, he has added new weapons to his arsenal. Don't buy into the media's obsession to marginalize Kobe's contributions, his achievements, and his ability to do what's right to win another championship. Kobe will be fine.
(02) MAEVE08 – DRIVER - blaming kobe for this loss? that man do everything he can to bail their sloppy butts out.
(03) TOM - NO ONE in the NBA wants to win more than Kobe.
(04) LAWRENCE - What a difference one game makes. After the win over the Celtics on Sunday, Kobe was God, then a loss to Memphis, everyone's pointing fingers. Kobe didn't take too many shots, the Lakers defense sucked against the Grizzlies, no one boxed out on rebounds. KOBE IS THE BEST - Gasol getting the bulk of the shots = 0-12 in the playoffs.
Kobe shooting = 4 Finals appearances and 3 titles.
(05) FU - kb24 best in the world. The rest is just jealous talk. All stfu and ride kb24's coat tail to another title. kb24 soon to have 5th ring in coming months. finit.
(06) JUSTANOHERMAMBAFAN - when you say Kobe is "wild eyed" what exactly do you mean. Do you mean when he goes Black Mamba? With the face (snarl)? Cuz that's exactly when I love Kobe the most as he's cutting the heart out of our opponent. So - if that's what you mean - I'll take that Kobe every day and twice on Sunday. This man has "given" the city of LA and all of us fans 4 rings. FOUR rings. And he's not done yet. So - yeah - if that's what you mean then I say GIVE, KOBE, GIVE!!! Take whatever you want. My bottle of vodka? My keyboard? My defibrillator? YOURS. I LOVE YOU MAN!
(07) MIKE DILLS - Kobe is great. The rest need to pick up their game.
(08) DAVE M. Here's the REAL truth - if he took the last shot and made it last night, everybody would be saying how brilliant the whole thing was and patting themselves on their backs. Personally, I think he should have dropped 100 on Memphis.
(09) WALLACE - Without Kobe, this team will not make it past the first round of the playoff. This team's toughness is not existence. Pau & AB have no right to question Kobe's shot selections when they, repeated, they have not demonstrated that they can assert themselves and win the game. Don't blame Artest & Kobe, they bring 110% every night.
(10) YELLOW FEVER - its just truly amazing at how fans can keep backlashing and keep putting the onus every single time squarely on his shoulders... JUST DESPICABLE.
(11) NEWBIE - i hope PJ own record as the lakers coach with most wins is "not important" either. so much for the MAN who wore that baseball cap with the X on it. yes, i know, that was from his sons. what a douche. pfunk36 is right. Kobe was/is/will be his scapegoat for all his shortcomings and no decision making. i hope Kobe sabotage him for 2 games and they win in Portland so the Staples won't cheer him for "his record". it's not important. it's myopic.
(12) HOBBITMAGE - Out of curiosity, what do you want Kobe to do? Should he continually pass the ball to people who pass it back to him? 24 secs of "I don't want it, you take it." Followed by shot clock violations because nobody is *TRYING* to win the game. They're all just standing around looking at each other.
(13) BRONXLAKERFAN - It never ends. Kobe should shoot the ball the most on the Lakers. He's their best, most aggressive scorer. He's there at the end of games when the going gets tough. Bynum and Gasol should realize that the best way they can help the team is by providing interior toughness and defense. When is the last time that Pau or Baby took a charge? If Kobe scores 40 points or 4 points and they win, it's all good. The reason I never buy into the "Kobe shoots too much" line of thought is that in my heart of hearts, I believe that Kobe's primary goal is to win pay on here. The guy can't win for losing with some of you. Seriously.
(14) DJ - think the problem (?) with Kobe shooting alot is that thus far, not any teammate, other than Pau, perhaps, has shown a CONSISTENT ablilty to produce. If we (Kobe) gave up on the idea of Home Court advantage, he could and ould distribute the ball more. I just think he's too dedicated to win every game and have as much of an advantage (HC) as the Lakers can have. In other words, no time to take a deep breath!

Yep this is how Dissention starts in a group when everyone starts pointing fingers. I was hoping we never returned to the Shaq & Kobe feud days but here we are. Maybe it will fire the team up and we can run of two more Ships just like in the Shaq & Kobe Feud days. The one thing i agree with is a few magic moments from Fish in the Playoffs do not make up for the year long inconsistencies he brings.

People who hate on our players simply are not true fans.

What do we play for? RINGS!!!!

Lakers Today... Lakers Tomorrow... Lakers Forever.

GO LAKERS!!!!

"Without Kobe, this team will not make it past the first round of the playoff. "

You may have noticed that without Pau, this team would not make it past the first round of the playoffs either. And there is three solid years of evidence to back that up.

Pau is jealous of Kobe..Its plainly obvious..He helps him to a chip, encourages him to play from within and dig deep and find the inner man to play through a grueling Playoff and now he has a chip and he is putting Kobe on front street and making little sly remarks. Why doesn't he go into the weight room and get stronger?? Watch some game film and add some additional arsenal to his game?? But its all good. Kobe can take the weight..Quickly how mofos forget from where they came from.

Zaira, if you're going to go down to the level of the others and just use name-calling as your argument, then so be it. I'm sorry, but Kobe is shooting too much. Phil Jackson agrees with me, Derek Fisher agree with me, Pau Gasol agrees with me, Andrew Bynum agrees with me, and quite a few bloggers look like they agree with me too. I noticed from the comments on this thread and previous ones that anyone who says anything critical about Kobe gets attacked and degraded, but I'm sorry - sometimes you should try being a Laker fan and not just a Kobe fan.

BTW, I think that it was quite fortuitous that LA and Cleveland played Memphis in back-to-back games.

Lebron: 14 shots, 15 assists, defeat Memphis by 16
Kobe: 28 shots, 3 assists, lose to Memphis by 1

Yes, there are all sorts of other factors involved, but even considering those its still clear that Lebron's strategy paid off better than Kobe's did. People keep saying "Kobe doesn't pass because he can't trust his teammate to score". Please, look at who Lebron is passing to. If Lebron can trust Jawad and Hickson, then Kobe can trust Pau and Artest.

BAD FAN CERTIFICIATES TO…
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filet-o-fish: “This coat-tail riding pile of excrement doesn't deserve to wear the Laker colors.”
This is exactly the kind of fan I have been railing about. THIS is a Lakers fan? Not in my book.
And we all know filet-o-fish is not the handle he usually posts under. Maybe Edwin will invite him to watch the next game together. Like I said, it’s all about respect. R*E*S*P*E*C*T!!!
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ZAIRA
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Excellent read of the situation, especially Phil’s intervention and the fact that Kobe’s becoming the single greatest scorer in Lakers history is a monumental stat. Think about it. More points than the Logo, Elgin, Kareem, and Magic. WOW is all I can say. This will all blow over and Kobe will reduce his shots and lead the team in feeding the post. To think otherwise is an insult to KB’s intelligence, love of team, and desire to win. He knows he needs Pau and Drew to win. As does Phil. All will be fine with the players. It’s really the bloggers who have overreacted and gone crazy. LOL.
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Tom

Mutually Exclusive:

Welcome to the Lakers Blog. It must be tough being a Celtics' fan.

I'm standing behind my statement made earlier, "Without Kobe, this team will not get past the first round of the playoff."

May be Kobe would do Pau and DFish a favor and sit out a few games to rest his body, knee, finger, back and ankle and see if Pau's Inside Out Theory" would work. I doubt it! Who gonna burden the absence of Kobe's 28.7 pts/game? DFish? 1 for whatever, Pau's weenie shots or AB, Me? play defense? Our bench are one of the worst in the league. We have three useless players in Ammo, Luke and Powell.

This is Kobe's team, he's the best player in the NBA. Lebron is playing at the hihg level right now because he has a better supporting cast than Kobe.


Kobe can't do it on his own was established 5 years ago. Nice to review every once in a while.

Back to our regular program, Nuggets night would be a good time to get back on track. They're going to want this one more than usual.

The defense of Kobe is in full force today.

I can understand a quick response to critisism of Kobe's shot selection as this has been an issue for years, but the venom spewed towards Fish and Pau seems a tad misguided.

I love Kobe and defend him too, but it seems that one too many bloogers have been infected with a bad case of sack-chin.

I admit that Kobe has brought me lots of happiness by what he has done on the court to help the Lakers win games and championships, but I'm not delusional.

My favorite player of all time is Magic. In an interview I just saw on TV recently, he listed his all time Laker starting five...

He exluded himself.


Go Lakers!!!

I was at the Boston game which was just an amazing experience for a longtime Laker fan with an unbelievable ending after a mostly struggling second half (at least offensively).

A couple of observations that are clearer seeing the game in front of you instead of just what the camera is isolating (also helpful to not have the tv commentators ranting on their own ego trips)

Pau is really light in the legs. This gives him great mobility, but it is also clear how easily some of the Boston bigs could out muscle him. It is to his credit that he plays to his strengths (more times than not) and uses his skills effectively within the offense.

Lamar is very effective, often this happens off of the ball where you don't see it, but there was never a question of his lack of hustle throughout the game. Note that his run out on Allen's last shot arguably won the game for us as much as Kobe's shot did. Remember that Lamar was shutting the KG option down first on that play then switched over to Allen as needed.

Andrew was really effective, KG looked good for a few plays but could not sustain.

The Pierce push off happened right in front of my eyeballs. Yes, Artest's exaggeration of the degree of the push is comical even to a Laker fan but PP did push off. To Doc and all of the other green excuse-makers who claimed that Kobe does the same, you should remember that Kobe did get called for the same offhand push off in the first half.

As far as the Grizzlies game went (when I was relegated back to the dismal electronic screen version) give credit to Randolph and Roy for two tremendous shots, credit to Kobe for his 5 points in response and for his pass to Artest. This game should have been put away before the last two minutes with the usual suspects (free throw percentage, too few inside touches) as the result of lack of focus. For example, Fisher's shots at the end of the game were at least two attempts too many.

Finally, look at the yearlong stats. Anyone notice that Kobe leads the team in assists as well as scoring and steals? Anyone notice that Lamar is second in assists and offensive rebounds? More focus/better execution is definitely needed, but laying blame at the feet of either Bryant or Lamar is not warranted.

Put me on the Don't Blame Kobe bandwagon. His shot on Sunday against Ray Allen was unbelievable to see unfold, watching him sort through the options until one seemed makeable (to him, not to me) then effin owning the one-legged fallaway at a time when most of use would run from the demands of the spotlight. A hero moment.

Academy Awards:

THE BEST LAKER PLAYER TO DATE: Magic Johnson

UNSELFISH LAKER PLAYER TO DATE: Magic Johnson

BEST LEADER: Magic Johnson & DFish

BEST TEAM MATE: Pau Gasol

BEST SUPPORTING CAST: laker team minus Kobe

MOST MVP AWARDS HANDED TO A LAKER: Kareem A. Jabbar

MOST SELFISH LAKER PLAYER: Kobe Bryant

OVER RATED LAKER LEADER: Kobe Bryant

LAKER PLAYER WHO NEVER UNDERSTOOD TEAM CONCEPT: Kobe

LAKER PLAYER MOSTLY CONCERNED WITH PERSONAL ACCOLADES: Kobe

MOST DISLIKED PLAYER AMONGST NBA PLAYER COMMUNITY: Kobe

GIVE AWAY MVP AWARD: Kobe

BEST Laker coach: Zen & Riley

Lastly, this laker team with Dwade or LBJ can win many titles because the supporting cast is “THE BEST”

Did I just enter a time warp? Is it Summer 2007 all over again? Sheesh!

My $0.02: We ain't winning nothing this year as long as we're playing Kobe Ball. We won a championship last year because Kobe finally learned to trust in his players. I think the injuries have screwed his head up a bit. Lately he's playing as if he's trying to prove to himself/his team/us/the trolls that he can press on despite his physical setbacks. And that's hurting the team more than anything.

To me, all Fish/Gasol/Phil are saying to him is, "Don't stress yourself, dude. We are a TEAM. Let us help you carry the load. We will do our part. It's no longer your responsibility to carry us. We can carry this team together."

Whether Kobe receives that or not is the difference between continuing The 4th Dynasty & 1 And Done.

I'll be addressing the subject in today's prayer around 11:00 today!

ron ron hits that 3 at the end, which he was hitting all game long, and there wouldn't even be a discussion about the bigs not getting shots..... if the bigs are even half as aggressive like mamba then there wouldn't be a problem.... aggressive as in rebound the ball and defend the post.... bynum and gasol are main ones that let the opposition get 2nd and 3rd opportunities all the time..... yes mamba shoots a lot, but it's up to the bigs to man up and demand the ball while in the game..... don't demand the ball through the press.... that's weak..... mamba gets doubled, passes the ball to pau who let's it slip out of his hands.... this has happened often in plenty of games.... drew gets position in the post, gets the ball, then kicks it out.... why not re-establish a better post position and DEMAND the ball.... complaining about it the press doesn't do the team any good.... complain about it in the huddle, during a timeout, during halftime..... next thing you know they're going to say, "if the big dog doesn't get fed, then he won't protect the house!"..... sound familiar??.....

BLAME WHO?
OK it’s time for another game, let’s try not to find a scapegoat to blame.
If lord forbid we should loose, let’s suck it up & not sing the Blues
Win as a team and lose as one too, Unity is what will get us thru.
It’s not about Kobe, Dfish or Phil, It’s about if the team has the will.
To demand the ball and take the shot, To get out & give all they got.
Leave all you got out on the floor, Who gives a damn who hit’s the winning score
But if you’re afraid to take the shot, Don’t blame Kobe he’s giving all he got.
Some don’t play cause they have the Flu, Kobe was playing & he had it too.
Some take weeks to heal a sprain, Pop Kobe’s finger back and he’s playing again
You didn’t complain when you got a Ring, but you put any loss on Kobe Bean.
Do your job and maybe then, you’ll get more touches in the game again
Kobe’s doing all he can do, He’s the Black Mamba Who the Hell are You?

hey guys. lots of great discussion here and debate. Here's my two cents. I gathered that when you look at the totality of Phil's, Pau's and Derek's discussion - they all make it pretty clear that it's a team-wide problem, including Kobe. Although there are varying perspectives on this, if nothing else it's out in the open and could lead to constructive problem solving, or maybe not. We'll just have to wait and see.

A new post should be up soon.

MM

Float like a butterfly sting like a bee . How dare they question the G.O.A.T

Mamba24,

How can you NOT have me on the "Don't Blame Kobe" band wagon? Have you not been reading my posts for the past 24 hours? When I write "In Kobe I trust" what more can I say (although I must have said it in lengthier form in at least three posts).

I'm not only in, I'm outraged at Fish and Pau for not spending enough time looking in the mirror and questioning their own play.

PHIL JACKSON IS A MASTER

Amusing how zen master always find a way to bring to the table.

Things that Phil has adressed just before the ASG break in order to adjust to win this year's championship:

Fish- Be more vocal/captain addressing common sense
Kobe- Remember not be such a ballhog. You are chasing Michael Jordan's legacy not George Gervin's.
Ron- Stop making excuses, ¿is ariza better than you?. You have to adapt to the team and not the other way around.
Pau- Demand your role, Don't hide when you're needed the most, embrace your load.
Drew- Be aggressive, be consistent

Last year he did the same (by collateral ways, as always) and you know the results.

Ladies and gentlemen, we're starting this year's season !!!!!

ZAIRA:

Just a reminder Brazil is the #1 in soccer, Italy 3rd best after Argentina.


Dunga

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DON’T BLAME KOBE – BANDWAGON
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(01) LAKER TRUTH – OWNER - In our quest to repeat, I assure you that Kobe's play is the LAST thing we as fans need to be concerned about. He has brought us SIX finals apprearances and four championships, and if not for his INJURIES this year, he has added new weapons to his arsenal. Don't buy into the media's obsession to marginalize Kobe's contributions, his achievements, and his ability to do what's right to win another championship. Kobe will be fine.
(02) MAEVE08 – DRIVER - blaming kobe for this loss? That man does everything he can to bail their sloppy butts out.
(03) TOM - NO ONE in the NBA wants to win more than Kobe.
(04) LAWRENCE - What a difference one game makes. After the win over the Celtics on Sunday, Kobe was God, then a loss to Memphis, everyone's pointing fingers. Kobe didn't take too many shots, the Lakers defense sucked against the Grizzlies, no one boxed out on rebounds. KOBE IS THE BEST - Gasol getting the bulk of the shots = 0-12 in the playoffs. Kobe shooting = 4 Finals appearances and 3 titles.
(05) FU - kb24 best in the world. The rest is just jealous talk. All stfu and ride kb24's coat tail to another title. kb24 soon to have 5th ring in coming months. finit.
(06) JUSTANOHERMAMBAFAN - when you say Kobe is "wild eyed" what exactly do you mean. Do you mean when he goes Black Mamba? With the face (snarl)? Cuz that's exactly when I love Kobe the most as he's cutting the heart out of our opponent. So - if that's what you mean - I'll take that Kobe every day and twice on Sunday. This man has "given" the city of LA and all of us fans 4 rings. FOUR rings. And he's not done yet. So - yeah - if that's what you mean then I say GIVE, KOBE, GIVE!!! Take whatever you want. My bottle of vodka? My keyboard? My defibrillator? YOURS. I LOVE YOU MAN!
(07) MIKE DILLS - Kobe is great. The rest need to pick up their game.
(08) DAVE M. Here's the REAL truth - if he took the last shot and made it last night, everybody would be saying how brilliant the whole thing was and patting themselves on their backs. Personally, I think he should have dropped 100 on Memphis.
(09) WALLACE - Without Kobe, this team will not make it past the first round of the playoff. This team's toughness is not existence. Pau & AB have no right to question Kobe's shot selections when they, repeated, they have not demonstrated that they can assert themselves and win the game. Don't blame Artest & Kobe, they bring 110% every night.
(10) YELLOW FEVER - its just truly amazing at how fans can keep backlashing and keep putting the onus every single time squarely on his shoulders... JUST DESPICABLE.
(11) NEWBIE - i hope PJ own record as the lakers coach with most wins is "not important" either. so much for the MAN who wore that baseball cap with the X on it. yes, i know, that was from his sons. what a douche. Kobe was/is/will be his scapegoat for all his shortcomings & no decision making.
(12) HOBBITMAGE - Out of curiosity, what do you want Kobe to do? Should he continually pass the ball to people who pass it back to him? 24 secs of "I don't want it, you take it." Followed by shot clock violations because nobody is *TRYING* to win the game. They're all just standing around looking at each other.
(13) BRONXLAKERFAN - It never ends. Kobe should shoot the ball the most on the Lakers. He's their best, most aggressive scorer. He's there at the end of games when the going gets tough. Bynum and Gasol should realize that the best way they can help the team is by providing interior toughness and defense. If Kobe scores 40 points or 4 points and they win, it's all good. The reason I never buy into the "Kobe shoots too much" line of thought is that in my heart of hearts, I believe that Kobe's primary goal is to win pay on here. The guy can't win for losing with some of you. Seriously.
(14) DJ - think the problem (?) with Kobe shooting alot is that thus far, not any teammate, other than Pau, perhaps, has shown a CONSISTENT ablilty to produce. If we (Kobe) gave up on the idea of Home Court advantage, he could and ould distribute the ball more. I just think he's too dedicated to win every game and have as much of an advantage (HC) as the Lakers can have. In other words, no time to take a deep breath!
(15) LAKERSRYDEORDIE - But its all good. Kobe can take the weight..Quickly how mofos forget from where they came from.Its easy to blame Kobe..Its convenient cuz you know what, Kobe of all players, can take the ISH! He just comes back harder and better. Other players simply WILT!
(16) JON K - People who hate on our players simply are not true fans.
(17) DEBBIE - And Phil? His coaching decisions have lost us more games this year than any questionable shot selection by Kobe. Maybe Phil's just trying to deflect the blame.
(18)STEVE - Getting those rings caused a major attitude shift & let down in everyone but Kobe & Ron-Ron.
(19) BILL PLASHKE - Bryant's ball hogging has become four-time championship hogging. For now, his teammates should stop moaning and count their money.
(20) VTLAKER - Put me on the Don't Blame Kobe bandwagon. His shot on Sunday against Ray Allen was unbelievable to see unfold, watching him sort through the options until one seemed makeable (to him, not to me) then effin owning the one-legged fallaway at a time when most of use would run from the demands of the spotlight. A hero moment.
(21) GUEST - Float like a butterfly sting like a bee . How dare they question the G.O.A.T.
(22)

"hey guys. lots of great discussion here and debate. Here's my two cents. I gathered that when you look at the totality of Phil's, Pau's and Derek's discussion - they all make it pretty clear that it's a team-wide problem, including Kobe. Although there are varying perspectives on this, if nothing else it's out in the open and could lead to constructive problem solving, or maybe not. We'll just have to wait and see.

Mark Medina


I was hoping you'd say something......sigh.......but you said nothing

Funny thing.......when Kobe was away from Phil last summer and played with Coach K.....Nobody complained of Kobe's shot selection.....but when it came down to winning the gold in the clutch Coach K asked Kobe to take over on a team that featured LeBron, Dwade, and a host of all-stars........AND NOBODY COMPLAINED!

But now we have Phil, Fish and Gasoft complaining.........now that's something that should make you say...hmmmmmmmm?

How can you NOT have me on the "Don't Blame Kobe" band wagon? Have you not been reading my posts for the past 24 hours? When I write "In Kobe I trust" what more can I say (although I must have said it in lengthier form in at least three posts). Posted by: Rick Friedman | February 03, 2010 at 09:30 AM
Just my stupid mistake, I should know better! Sorry Rick is being put on now


Thanks Mang Edwin, my cabalen. I just came back from holiday back home. Spend the holidays there.

Raptors beat the Lakers, not happy about that. Toronto maybe my hometown team but when they face Lakers, I cheer for my beloved Lakers.

Too much on this Kobe discussions. Gasol, Fisher and who else calling out Kobe? Guess what, you choked on big games esp. Gasol . Shut up and just play the game. Prove to Kobe that you deserve to be first on the pecking order. BTW, practicing making free throws should be a good start.

Guess what, Kobe is now looking at Artest to help him win games. He knows that Ron is not afraid of big plays, ready to take responsibilty no matter what the outcome may be. To all of you who criticize Kobe, think of the 5 wins that would have 5 losses if not for him. I do not want any of Fisher, Gasol, Bynum to celebrate with Kobe when he makes another game winning shot.

Just like what happen to Manny Pacquiao, people did not celebrate his greatness and victory in his last fight. People focus on things that are not related to boxing. Kobe may have added milestone in his career but his teammates tainted it by calling him out. I wonder what Kobe maybe feeling now. If I were Kobe I will rest due to injuries.

Zaira -

Just wanted to say thanks for the high five a couple of threads earlier. I appreciate it. :-)

Why is everyone so focused on this? Don't we have a game against Denver soon? That would seem to warrant more attention.

Sorry again Rick Friedman, The Bandwagon got released before I was finished with the changes. Check the next thread when it's out. Sorry again Bro!

Funny thing.......when Kobe was away from Phil last summer and played with Coach K.....Nobody complained of Kobe's shot selection.....but when it came down to winning the gold in the clutch Coach K asked Kobe to take over on a team that featured LeBron, Dwade, and a host of all-stars........AND NOBODY COMPLAINED! But now we have Phil, Fish and Gasoft complaining.........now that's something that should make you say...hmmmmmmmm? Posted by: pfunk36 | February 03, 2010 at 09:44 AM

DAMMMMMMNNNNN!!!! All I can say is....OUT FREAKIN STANDING!!!

Let us establish order and pointing fingers blaming players who did that and who is not doing the job will not accomplish anything.

Let us bury the hatchet and go back to square ONE.

The square ONE should come from the Coach on the new world order of the Lakers. It is good that these problems are solved now during the season than doing it later during the playoffs. Square ONE means identifying the responsibilities of the players and tasks needed from them.

The next is square TWO. This is the responsibility of the F/O in conjunction to the wishes of the owners, older Buss and younger Buss. Will there be changes on the personnel thru trade? If not, they will pay for the luxury taxes. Decision should be based on past performances akin to the objective of "Repeat". Review every player and match it with competition. Celtics, Cavaliers, Hawks in the East are making some adjustments. In the West, Suns, Spurs, Mavericks and the young teams are also entertaining some changes. Are we happy with what we have? Based on the survey, not everyone here is happy with our players.

Finally, Square THREE, it the medical state of our players from Kobe, Artest, Gasol, Odom and Walton. What is the real prognosis of their health at this time? Three months from now, Lakers will be entering the playoffs. It is best to prepare now and make some playing adjustments than addressing these issues in April.

Ehy Mamba... of course my dear you gotta put me up too in the Don'T Blame Kobe bandwagon. ;) The day I will blame Kobe may my entire body and soul die of auto-combustion, indeed.

Tom... thank you ;) Always an honour to have you agree with me.

Dunga. I know. And for what I care, I hope my National Team goes off from the South African World Cup as fast and quick as a blink of an eye. I can't stand Marcello Lippi. He dopes his players. He doesn't understand a thing in the game. And he's nasty. I ma not rooting at all for my team until he's involved with it at ANY level.
Brazil has a great team: but look out for England: if they don't win this time around with Capello, they won't EVER again (though the Terry situation might take its toll there... ah, men.. you can't ever keep it in your pants can you? ;))

 
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