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Caught in the Web: More Gilbert Arenas follow-ups, Lakers links and Portland drama

This Gilbert Arenas story probably won't go away soon, the episode already seeing the immediate effect of his indefinite suspension. Aside from Arenas deleting his Twitter account, Verizon Center removing an Arenas banner and the story evolving into punch lines for late-night TV, there are other ways the gun incident is affecting the NBA.

The league initially removed the image of Arenas and his teammates participating Tuesday in a pregame skit where they pretended to shoot one another, but then made it available again after news outlets were looking for the photo. It's the latest example on how sports leagues, in particular the NBA, are continuously embracing the information age while trying to protect their image

Meanwhile, the New Jersey Nets are the first team to outlaw gambling on team flights, which was reported to be the root of the conflict between Arenas and teammate Javaris Crittenton. For one, Lakers guard Kobe Bryant told ESPN's Colin Cowherd that the Arenas incident wouldn't happen with the Lakers. After all, Mamba and his teammates have other things on their mind, such as how to end this eight-game losing streak tonight against Portland at the Rose Garden.

Lakers & Trail Blazers links:

-- Pau Gasol's return could be as early as Sunday when the Lakers host Milwaukee, and Luke Walton played in his first full practice Thursday since suffering a pinched nerve three months ago.

-- Lakers Coach Phil Jackson simply says the key to end this losing streak at Portland is to "play hard." I'm sure he's assembled among his coaching staff a more detailed approach.

-- The Lakers may face a challenge tonight, but it's just the beginning. Silver Screen and Roll dutifully notes that the Lakers will play 13 games in 23 days. Luckily for Lakers fans, it thinks most of those games will end in wins.

-- Portland has issues beyond fielding only seven players in Thursday's practice. That practice also featured a 30-minute shouting match between Trail Blazers Coach Nate McMillan and Andre Miller. And The Oregonian's John Canzano says this is just the latest example on why Miller is not a good fit.

Tweet of the Day: "No Pau Gasol again tonight for the Lakers, and Walton is not ready yet. I'd complain, but then I look at the Blazers injuries...." -- Forum Blue & Gold

-- Mark Medina

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Mamba et al,
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Is there any question now that it’s the bloggers within the blog who make this sports blog rock and roll?
Does anyone doubt that it’s the Roll Call, the Game Day prayer, the Bandwagons, and the hundreds of smart die hard Lakers fans posting and thousands of eager Lakers followers reading that make this blog what it is?
The KamBros may have pulled a Trevor Ariza with the LA Times as Double-M has smoothly taken over.
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Tom

It does seem that gambling could become (has already?) a serious issue among NBA players. They are stuck together on long flights, they are stuck together on long road trips and they make LOTS of money. It's not much of a stretch to see that this has the earmark of trouble ahead IN SOME CASES.

The TRUTH HURTS bandwagon:

01) PHRED- OWNER - oh yeah, d fish. No, i wouldn't bench him. He is definitely contributing to this team.
--FISH DOES NOT HAVE TO BE BENCHED, BUT THERE'S NO REASON HE SHOULD BE PLAYING MORE THAN 15-20 MINUTES A GAME, ESPECIALLY WITH THE IMPROVED PLAY OF SHANNON, SASHA AND FARMAR.

(02) JON K – DRIVER - Does anyone know that Derek Fisher has the highest cumulative three-point percentage in NBA Finals history? Cause he does. 52.2%. When it really matters, Derek Fisher has always shown up. This guy is a fricken warrior and has ALWAYS (ALWAYS!!!!) come through when the chips are down. He's a leader who makes his teammates better and represents the absolute best in Laker heritage.
--LOOK, NOBODY IS QUESTIONING FISH'S ABILITY TO MAKE WIDE OPEN SHOTS. THE 52% IS A RESULT OF SHAQ AND KOBE'S ABILITY TO DRAW ATTENTION AND CREATE OPEN OPPORTUNITIES FOR FISH. IT'S EVERYTHING ELSE IN HIS GAME THAT IS THE PROBLEM. IT'S FISH'S INABILITY TO STAY WITHIN HIMSELF AND CONTINUALLY FORCE THE ISSUE. HOW DOES MESSING UP FAST BREAKS, FORCING SHOTS, MAKING BENO UDRIH LOOK LIKE CHRIS PAUL, AND MAKING POOR DECISIONS MAKE HIS TEAMMATES BETTER?

(03) EDWIN GUECO - D' Fish is OK, a good man and has been a good Laker that delivered Championship from '00 to '08.
--AGREED

(05) MAMBA24 – Dfish is the man
(06) TOM - Derek is undoubtedly one of the leaders on the team.
--DFISH IS THE MAN AS ONE OF THE LEADERS OF THE TEAM, BUT HE IS NOT THE MAN WHEN HE IS ON THE COURT.

(07) DAVE M. - Fish will come out of his shooting slump in due time and he'll make a difference in big-time games. He has the confidence of the best player in the league and the winningest coach.
--FISH HAS BEEN IN A SLUMP FOR A YEAR AND A HALF. I ADMIRE YOUR PATIENCE DAVE M.

(08) LIVE RUGBY - He may not be the most consistent player during the regular season, but he has alway's stepped up big time in the playoffs and knocked down crucial shots I say continue things as is
(09) HECTORARTM - Everyone relax! Derek is fine and he will contribute big in a play off series.
--FISH'S 2 CLUTCH PLAYS AGAINST ORLANDO DOES NOT MAKE UP FOR THE OTHER 2,000 UNCLUTCH PLAYS. IF FISH DID NOT CONTRIBUTE SO HEAVILY IN GETTING BEHIND TO ORLANDO, WE WOULD NEVER HAVE NEEDED HIS CLUTCH SHOTS TO BEGIN WITH.

(10) BOB - All you need from fish is his leadership and for him to handle the ball and take clutch shots, which he is still doing. You don't need numbers from him. You just need his glue.
--YES, WE DO NEED HIS LEADERSHIP, GLUE AND CLUTCH SHOTS, BUT WE DO NOT NEED HIS BALL-HANDLING IN ANY WAY SHAPE OR FORM.

(11) ZairaAmaterasu - His heart and mind are totally devoted to the cause and whomever attacks him on the personal side should always think twice. This man is a Laker Great. Respect to him (not blind devotion, just respect) is something this guy has gained MAJORLY from us all.
--ANY CRITICISM OF FISH IS BASED 100% ON HIS PERFORMANCE ON THE COURT, IT'S NOT PERSONAL IN ANY WAY.

(12)HOBBITMAGE - The time to re-consider the pg situation will be after the playoffs not in the middle of a championship run.
--GOOD THING MANAGEMENT DIDN'T HAVE THIS SILLY PHILOSOPHY WHEN THEY MADE A TRADE FOR PAU. CAN YOU IMAGINE KUPCHACK SAYING, "LET'S NOT TRADE KWAME FOR PAU GASOL MIDSEASON, LET'S ADDRESS OUR CENTER SITUATION AFTER THE PLAYOFFS". GREAT LOGIC.

(12)HOBBITMAGE - Why? Because the game slows down in the playoffs! [Y'all should know this by now. What's the matter with y'all? Act like you've got some sense! And if you don't, FAKE IT!!!
--JUST BECAUSE THE GAME SLOWS DOWN IN THE PLAYOFFS DOES NOT MEAN SPEED DOES NOT MATTER. ASIDE FROM FISH'S 2 CLUTCH SHOTS, HE WAS ABSOLUTELY AWFUL IN THE PLAYOFFS WHEN THE GAME SLOWED DOWN.


I really need a Laker win tonight.

In fact, I need a dose of my Laker blog family. (please indulge me)

The New Year at work has not started off well, I’ve got a bunch of unruly curators going rogue and not taking the budget meetings seriously. Our Development department demanded three grant budgets this week because they forgot to tell me about this before the holidays and now I find out that I have to submit a five-year exhibitions projections budget by next Thursday to the Executive Group.

And to top it all off, there are very few sports fans, let alone Laker fans at this institution.

Nothing dire, I guess, just frustrating. pffffffftttttttttttttfffffffftt

Mamba24, can I get a blog hug? (Is there even such thing as a blog hug?)

So, here’s hoping that LO is over his tummy bug, RonRon’s head has cleared, Drew gets his mojo on, Fish will be raining three’s, and Kobe…well, Kobe, you know Kobe.

Lass

-- Lakers Coach Phil Jackson simply says the key to end this losing streak at Portland is to "play hard." I'm sure he's assembled among his coaching staff a more detailed approach. -- Mark Medina

MM, nice little touch of humor on that one.

Smiling Lass

Laker Tom & Smiling Lass - Thanks for the love

Yellofever,

you wrote: - at almost 30 min a game he is being severely overplayed
- he is a horrible man to man defender (way below standards) and as a result is also killing our team D
- his outside shooting (though clutch when it has to be) in still inconsistent and also way below par but then again his well documented offensive woes is the least of his problems.. Its his porous defense that deserves more scrutiny

my response: D-Fish is *NOT* a horrible man-to-man defender. You need to
go back and look at the rules of the NBA. This has been documented on the
blog many times. Specifically, last year I commented (& quoted) the Lakers
coaches/D-Fish on how the defense was supposed to work. Another blogger
thought that someone was confused. We both posted links. Due to the
rules of the NBA the pg is supposed to funnel the enemy to the inside. Our
interior defense has been porous. ref. pts. in the paint scored. ref. bad play
by Bynum during the month of Dec. ref. Pau being injured.

you also wrote: I also dare to question phil but if he would utilize dfish correctly and know when to pull the plug then we wouldn't be sitting here having this conversation...

my response: hmm ... If you're such a good coach shouldn't you be coaching
in the NBA? Let me not be so aggressive and put it this way: Phil has made it
a point of letting his players figure it out for themselves. Why? Because
unless they do, they will continue to make the same stupid mistakes. The
seaons is 82 games long and the championship is won in June not January.
The team needs to peak as the playoffs start not in January. We have lost
7 games while missing our best C/PF & one of our veteran bench players
and our best SF & our best player is playing with a fractured finger on his
shooting hand. Playing D-Fish is not the problem. The problem is with our
defense. The problem with our defense is that our best C/PF isn't playing the
way he played last year & Bynum is trying to make the all-star team. I
repeat, go back and look at the playoff games. The difference b/n Pau/Bynum's
play this year and last is "noticeble".

you wrote: It was probably at this same exact time last year where everyone was questioning ariza and his inexperience that he shoudnt start over luke... Luke was the glue guy afterall who understood the triangle better than anybody so no there was no way ariza deserved more playing time... How is our pg position that much different than our sf position? Y

my response:

1. Actually, I believe it was after the all-star game.
2. Are you *really* comparing Luke to D-Fish?

Ways in which the pg position is different than the SF position.

1. D-Fish has 4-rings with 2 or 3 as a starter. None of the D-Fish subs have
that resume.
2. D-Fish does *ALL* of the little things. He is *THE* professional of
professionals. neither j-farmar nor s-brown can say this. D-Fish mentored
D-Will. This is not true of anybody off our bench.
3. D-Fish is capable of pulling a "Scola". Neither j-farmar nor s-brown have
the mentality to do that.

You wrote: Well ariza did finally start (much to phils chagrin) and the rest was history

My response: Your history is off. To recap: L-Walton went to PJ and indicated
that he'd like to switch with Ariza. He thought that he could stablize the
bench. [ doesn't that sound familiar? our bench needing to be stabalized/play
better? ] PJ indicated that he agreed and he had been considering it. Oddly
enough, this went along with what Mitch said about trading for Ariza in the
first place. i.e. We needed a defensive minded SF and Odom couldn't do that.
Feel free to go back to last year and look at the ridiculously long posts/
conversations b/n me and KB Blitz.

Finally you wrote: So again maybe if we can detach ourselves a little emotionally from all of dfish great past heroics and give shannon a chance then maybe we can begin to utilize the HUGE UPSIDE that shannon can bring with more minutes.

Say what you will but in the end defense wins championships.... Kobe gasol and company have been doing a great job in covering up for dfish inefficiencies but at some point somethings gotta give.

my response:

1. Forgive the emotional response, but without emotion we suck. W/o
emotion Kobe wouldn't have played hurt for the last 3 years! W/o
emotion D-Howard would have punked Gasol. Emotion is what lifts us.
YOU HAVE TO WANT IT TO WIN IT! The championship is not given to
the best team on paper. It is TAKEN by the team that plays the hardest/
smartest at the right moment.

2. re: huge upside that ShanWow brings. So, if you start S-Brown who comes
off the bench? D-Fish? Generally, bench players tend to be younger than
veterans. So ... Instead of putting D-Fish on someone closer to his age you
want to play him against some *kid* fresh out of college? That sounds like
a great match up for a not so quick pg. (end sarcasm) So maybe you're
thinking do a tag team of j-farmar/s-brown at pg? How long have people
been complaining about j-farmar's decision making process? You're
wanting to give the poor shooting Sasha more playing time instead of D-Fish?
[ I heart Sasha ]

I agree that defense wins championships. I think your focus is on the wrong
part of the team. *REGARDLESS* of our pg play, if Bynum & Pau keep
playing like they've been playing we will *NOT* win. We are giving up far
too many points in the paint and our C is getting out rebounded by 5th
graders and neaderthal lookalikes.

Address the defensive play of our bigs and everything will work out. Fail
to address it and the Lakers will be watching someone else hoist our trophy!

yellofever,

this sentence: Due to the
rules of the NBA the pg is supposed to funnel the enemy to the inside.

means that our defensive scheme funnels the pg to the inside, and also
references how defense can be played. not that the NBA forces us to
funnel the pg to the inside.

It does seem that gambling could become (has already?) a serious issue among NBA players. They are stuck together on long flights, they are stuck together on long road trips and they make LOTS of money. It's not much of a stretch to see that this has the earmark of trouble ahead IN SOME CASES. Posted by: JohnnyV | January 08, 2010 at 11:13 AM
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You got that right JohnnyV. We are not talking about penny poker here. Some of the sums bet by MJ, Barkley, etc. on their teams flights are lengendary. this can only lead to trouble. Good post JohnnyV.
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Mamba24, can I get a blog hug? (Is there even such thing as a blog hug?)Posted by: LakerLass | January 08, 2010 at 11:25 AM

If theres not they better hurry up an invent one. Lol!


The KamBros may have pulled a Trevor Ariza with the LA Times as Double-M has smoothly taken over.
Posted by: LakerTom | January 08, 2010 at 11:05 AM
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The new catch phrase for 2010 'Pulling A Trevor Ariza'.
The old catch phrase for LakerTom...OUT FREAKIN STANDING!

MM-

some bloggers may have asked for humor, wit, etc. I say, thanks for NOT trying to hard to be funny. sometimes, that can be just as damning as being humorless.

Mamba24, DEFINITELY throw me on that Derek Fisher Bandwagon.

Just to fill in my spot, I'll say that I am a 100% supporter of Fish. Not for the typical Fisher "makes it when it counts" reasons, but because I think the team, psychologically, needs him there.

Truly, the biggest reason he's in though? Kobe need him there. He is stability, or as they say, the Little Rock. Jordan follows his example, Pau trust him, etc, etc. He's as steady an influence on the entire organization as anyone, and he sets the tone. Everyone just knows what to expect from him, and that's just as important as anything else.

I'll agree that he's had a shooting slump for a year and a half, but he hasn't had a leadership slump in all his years.

Aaron Brooks? Aaron Brooks couldn't stay in front of Aaron Brooks, not with the rules today.

Until we find a Ron Harper or Brian Shaw type, Fish is it.

Following the Trevor Ariza analogy does that make Double-M the Ron Artest of the Lakers blog? Let's hope not:) Actually I have been pleased with Ron Ron so far this season. I still want to see a signature shut down of Carmelo, Pierce or LBJ sometime this season.
I think the key to tonight is to keep the lid on Lamarcus Aldredge or BRoy. We can't let them both go off on us.
Defense wins rings!
End the streak in Rip City!

I think Mark Medina is making a good effort to keep the Lakers Blog useful and enticing to us Lakers fans. Good job Mark!!

Gilbert Arenas is a fool for risking his NBA career by keeping guns in is locker at work. Nothing cool about being stupid and playing gangsta games. Looser!

I hope Ron Artest can get his basketball mojo back after his recent head injury. He really seems off his game this week. Overall, this season, he has been performing near his career averages, as well as adjusting to a new team. Career wise: 16 points per game, 5 rebounds, 3 assists, and 34 minutes a game. Laker stats: 12 points, 5 rebounds, 3 assists, and 35 minutes a game. I'm cheering for Ron to really show his strong game against Portland tonight.

Some of the great fast point guards in the league do rip the Lakers up at times. However, they rip up other teams with good point guards as well. I think Derek, Jordan, and Shannon have a good attitude and work ethic. We don't have people like Andre Miller, Gilbert Arenas, or Allen Iverson on our team to poison the waters. Yes, in future years, we will need new players and improvements in our point guard position; but, for now, we will just need better team defense to counter the best point guards we will face.


rlee - hah wow i think i can say that's the first time i've ever been compared to Ron Ron. Just my luck, next week I'm going to appear in just boxer briefs on Jimmy Kimmel and then suffer a concussion outside my home.....

"The KamBros may have pulled a Trevor Ariza with the LA Times as Double-M has smoothly taken over."
- Laker Tom

LT, my bro, I submit that MM, Mamba24, and all of us who post here are now and forever the MamBros.

"Mamba24, can I get a blog hug? (Is there even such thing as a blog hug?)"
- Laker Lass

LL, we could (virtually) do better than that, but MM is chaperoning...so yes, a big group hug from all the MamBros coming your way. Stat!

Lastly, hobbitimage, my brutha from anutha Lakuh, FYI, we don't get paid by the word to blog here. Curb your enthusiasm. You friggin broke my scroll bar.

week I'm going to appear in just boxer briefs on Jimmy Kimmel and then suffer a concussion outside my home.....Posted by: Mark Medina | January 08, 2010 at 12:13 PM
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THIS MARK MEDINA IS GOOD, I THINK WE SHOULD KEEP HIM!
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GREAT POST RED BLUFF PETE
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DFISH I BELEIVE
Down with Fish, Fish must go, I hear this crap and I say HELL NO!
You say he’s old, you say he’s slow, he wears 4 Rings that’s what I know
By saying replace him it would seem, You think a bunch of fools are on the team
Do you think Phil would risk History, Do you think he’s blind & cannot see
Do you think Kobe would give him a pass, and not say “Ship his @zz
If they didn’t know Dfishs value, I’m kinda surprised you don’t know that too.
I won’t mention the .04 second shot, I won’t mention the 4 Rings Dfish got
I won’t mention the moral fiber of the man, Moralities not too popular I understand
When the team is shaky & falling apart, it’s Dfish & Kobe that give them the heart
When Kobe dosen’t know when enough is enough, Only Dfish can say stop that stuff
Sure there are point guards with flash, but do they play for Rings, no they play for Cash
If Dfish had not come back here to play, I believe Kobe would not be here today.
Fishers no fool and Fisher has Class, when it’s time he’ll gladly sit his@zz
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I BELIEVE IN DFISH – BANDWAGON
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(01) PHRED- OWNER - oh yeah, d fish. No, i wouldn't bench him. He is definitely contributing to this team.
(02) JON K – DRIVER - Does anyone know that Derek Fisher has the highest cumulative three-point percentage in NBA Finals history? Cause he does. 52.2%. When it really matters, Derek Fisher has always shown up. This guy is a fricken warrior and has ALWAYS (ALWAYS!!!!) come through when the chips are down. He's a leader who makes his teammates better and represents the absolute best in Laker heritage.
(03) EDWIN GUECO - D' Fish is OK, a good man and has been a good Laker that delivered Championship from '00 to '08.
(04) #4 - Until we find a Ron Harper or Brian Shaw type, Fish is it.
(05) MAMBA24 – Dfish is the man
(06) TOM - Derek is undoubtedly one of the leaders on the team.
(07) DAVE M. - Fish will come out of his shooting slump in due time and he'll make a difference in big-time games. He has the confidence of the best player in the league and the winningest coach.
(08) LIVE RUGBY - He may not be the most consistent player during the regular season, but he has alway's stepped up big time in the playoffs and knocked down crucial shots I say continue things as is
(09) HECTORARTM - Everyone relax! Derek is fine and he will contribute big in a play off series.
(10) BOB - All you need from fish is his leadership and for him to handle the ball and take clutch shots, which he is still doing. You don't need numbers from him. You just need his glue.
(11) ZairaAmaterasu - His heart and mind are totally devoted to the cause and whomever attacks him on the personal side should always think twice. This man is a Laker Great. Respect to him (not blind devotion, just respect) is something this guy has gained MAJORLY from us all.
(12)HOBBITMAGE - The time to re-consider the pg situation will be after the playoffs not in the middle of a championship run. Why? Because the game slows down in the playoffs! [Y'all should know this by now. What's the matter with y'all? Act like you've got some sense! And if you don't, FAKE IT!!!
(13) JOHNNYV - It's on us guys, not Fish. You can be disappointed in our options at PG (I know we are) but Fish is just trying to play a bigger role than he should be doing at this point in his career.
(14) CALIPHILOSOPHER - you have to be willing to sacrifice maybe some of your individual shine to make sure the team is accomplishing the team goals. Now, I know he's not shooting too well lately, but I think this is exactly why our team needs him. He understands the big picture.
(15) JEPHTE - as far as Derek, get used to seeing him in the starting until he retires. As long as we have Kobe in our team, he will always be alongside him. Kobe has that much trust and respect for him.
(16) EXHELODRVR - Fisher's calmness solidifies this team. Probably made the difference in two of the four title teams. To this point, relative to the other options on the team, he is still the best choice.
(17) CORNERJ - Phil continues to play Fisher because he still thinks Fish will deliver in those moments in the playoffs when he needs to deliver. So he keeps Fish in there now, and he keeps letting Fish know that he believes in Fish, precisely because he wants Fish to be ready to give him that 0.4 moment that will earn him Ring #11. So, go Fish go. Go Lakers go!
(18) DOUG - Leadership, total respect by the locker room, a warrior, and a PROVEN winner. give it a rest on dFish
(19) LAKERTOM - Who would you rather have on the floor in a clutch situation on offense and defense? Fish, Farmar, or Brown. Seriously, I agree with Hobbitmage that the time to address the point guard situation will be after the season is over. Fish is the point guard I want with the ball in the playoffs this year. Then I want him to retire and become an assistant coach.
(20) JUSTANOTHERMAMBAFAN - Ok - enough Fish-bashing. Have you all forgotten what this man has meant to this team - not only in times past but even today??. Fish is a wily veteran who sees the bigger picture and ALWAYS comes through when it matters most. give the man the respect he deserves.
(21) LAKERLASS - I’ll take a seat on the “I believe in Fish” bandwagon. I can’t add much more to what so many other believers have stated; just reiterate. He’s our glue. He contributes so much to the team off the court. Kobe needs his presence. Kobe trusts him. Done.
(22) JEFE01 - Derek Fisher's contributions to this team totally transcend measurable statistical output. Quite simply, his body and soul are a wholly integral and key component to the competitiveness and heart of our championship team - he is a Laker for life. Please feel free to add me to the "I believe in Fish" bandwagon.
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*providing LakerLass the hugest hug I can give*

sweet you... *smoochies the warm way females are used to among themselves*

:)

I am always confident when ir's about making statements in the LakerLand, so that should indicate we have fair chances tonight.

However, being true to' beat Portland we should play with energy... And I don't think we're particularly energic as of late, gotta admit pros and cons about incoming battle kind of stay fairly balanced in my eyes.

I expect something interesting to see. Whatever result willcspring off from tonight, I hope to see improvement on the *team play* factor. I wanna see the Timing Clocked Lakers start to manifest under my eyes, at least a bit.

About the Arenas Saga, this is so huge even in Italy media talk about it. The missing point in our analysis is the surrounding environment acknowledging, that whole Thug Factor that plagues too much pro sport at this time.

I think Arenas deserves a huge punishment. But so does NBA for playing it coy about players bad manners - known- and off the chain, out of law privileges.

I don't buy Stern's shock.
I don't think Arenas is the only one carrying guns in the lockeroom.

Btw Mark, I already wrote this to you through Twitter: luckely Lakers are Thug-free and complete class. I am sure no gun is or would ever be' allowed round here. We let Lamar school Ron Ron well about it prior to' his coming around. Lamar intensively bottled ( with Hennessy bottles, obviously...) Artest on his head till he agreed to' leave out all of his guns in Houston.

Now his former locker closet is under FBI investigation.
Luckely in a very creative moment of his, Ron Ron left a Tiger Woods signature he had over it. In all Tiger mess fortunately, guns are taken as soft trouble for him. Now if they would have been property of Elin, instead...

Great move Ron Ron: now hush it and forget it all. Oh, you have already.

The good side of concussion, I believe...

Have a great game, blog crew. See you at the end of it ;)

rdlee,
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LOL. Good to see another original blogger posting. Yes, MM is our Ron Artest, defending our empire against those would see it fail and fall. And yes, the KamBros pulled a Trevor Ariza, thinking that they worth more than they were, that they were the main reason that the LA Times Lakers Blog was so successful, and that they could duplicate that success with the Houston Rockets, also known as ESPN Los Angeles. It makes you wonder if David Lee negotiated their new contract with the Evil Empire, who recently gave us double overtime in the meaningless GMAC Bowl rather than the first quarter of the Lakers game against the Clippers.
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Meanwhile, other than an occasional orphan post or two by ex or dave m (with two periods), ESPN LA is like Stephen King’s DEAD ZONE while Double-M is posting new threads and updates in the middle of the night and the greatest blog community in sports is rocking and rolling every hour with 50 times as many posts per thread and probably 5000 times as many readers. Like Trevor, the KamBros are quickly learning that sometimes there are other things that are worth more than a little extra bling. That’s pulling a Trevor Ariza.
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Mamba - put me on that DFish bandwagon. He is all heart, hustle, and does all the little things that make him a great player. He may have lost a step, but he does everything he can to prepare for games and takes them seriously, unlike some NBA players. He is a player to be respected and supported.

And #4, I couldn't agree with your above post more.

GO LAKERS!!!!

Mamba24, can I get a blog hug? (Is there even such thing as a blog hug?)" Laker Lass

LL, we could (virtually) do better than that, but MM is chaperoning...Posted by: CornerJ | January 08,12:20
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Smooth CornerJ. Lol!

To the newest member of the blog community, Mr. Mark Medina, a heartfelt, rousing welcome. You will, by the end of this glorious season, be a die-hard Lakers fan. Of that, I have no doubt.

For those of you talking about benching D. Fish, I submit to you two things:

1. Hobbit's posts. (Thanks, Hobbit)
2. You can't replace veteran leadership when it matters most. Give the guy a break.

Looking forward to breaking the streak tonight. Please, oh please, my beloved Lakers, get up for this one.

Go Lake Show!

new thread re-post alert:

Good Morning Charles...Good Morning Everyone...

game day in the I never promised you a Rose Garden...all I can say is....wait for it...steady...GOT STREAK?

as far as Gibert Arenas and his ban--what a joke--it probably will indeed be temporary, as others have said, the NBA has never had a lifetime ban--everybody gets a second or third or fourth chance seemingly---

can you say Roy Tarpley? Can you say Shawn Kemp? Can you say Kermit Washington? Can you say Ron Artest? Can you say Latrell Spreewell?---and the list is somewhat endless (i.e. Portland Jailblazers of old) indeed, as it were...

and Spreewell (was a cast memeber in the Preditor movies) especially--the dude chokes (!) his boss not once, but twice (once wasn't enough apparently--had to go back fer more) and all is forgiven and is happily reinstated---how many of us would get rehired if we choked our boss (twice)?

And the same can be said about Artest as well and Kermit Washington... so Arenas will be back sooner than later...even if he would have actually shot someone he would get another go round I suspect...

and that's a telling and sad comment on our society today...we have to be so PC that nobody really is accountable or gets punished for anything, it's always someone else's fault---in this case Arenas' kid who can apparently handle guns at an early age...

but enough soapboxin'---I actually couldn't care less if Agent zero brains plays again or not, just hoping there's no more shanagins ("next guy that says shanagins gets pistol whipped") by dudes wearing Purple and Gold...

"I'm coming down fast but i'm miles above you.."

"and it went wherever I did go"

AS ALWAYS, AS EVER, YET ANOTHER GREAT DAY (AND CHAMPIONSHIP SEASON) TO BE A LAKER FAN !!!

GO LAKERS !!!

Just in case it's not clear, I would like to be on the I BELIEVE IN DFISH – BANDWAGON, also please send me a "Save the Fish" T-Shirt, bumper sticker, and coffee mug if at all possible.

Lakertruth

LOL... I was spitting food all over my screen while I was reading.. Hilarious! The truth hurts bandwagon by lakertruth himself.. What an ironic twist of fate.


LOL ABOUT THE MISINFORMATION ABOUT "ZONE DEFENSE":

Attacking Derek Fisher's defense is one thing (since he is just doing a horrendous job as Farmar is and Shannon isn't locking the defense either). Putting misinformation? That's another.

(specifically about PFRAUD's blasting of Phil about not using zone when um VERY FEW of the NBA's successful teams USE Zone defense).

(Sorry Hobbitmage this is the place where you are wrong about the "funneling into the pain")

Especially in the NBA, zones are comparatively easy to combat. An uptempo pace will get the ball into the attack area before zones can set up. Quick ball reversals will inevitably generate open shots — mostly from beyond the 3-point line — simply because a passed ball can cover more ground in a shorter period of time than even the fastest NBA player can run. Also, any team that can eventually get the ball to a player in the high post will easily dissect any kind of zone since open wing players and baseline-cutters are easily seen.

It's interesting to note that zones were first instituted in the 2001-02 season, and the NBA's overall shooting percentage increased from 42.4 the previous season to 44.5 percent. Also, the league's overall point-per-game average was 94.8 in 2000-01 and jumped to 96.5 in the zone's debut season.

In fact, zone defenses regularly aid offenses in that quick ball movement is a must to counter these positional tactics. Nor can poor defenders be hidden by zones. As Red Holzman used to say, "Zone, schmone. Sooner or later somebody's got to play defense."

That's why NBA teams use zones sparingly — mostly just to give their opponents a different look for a few possessions. Only inexperienced teams, particularly inexperienced guards, are routinely rattled when facing NBA zones. That's because NBA zoners are quicker, longer and more athletic than any of the zoners these young players might have gotten used to confronting in college.


Why?

Because hand-checkers could keep physical pressure on opponents with their arms extended.

In so doing, the defenders' bodies could be as much as a step away from the body of the ball-handler.

This space is enough for the defender to be able to react and recover when the handler made his irrevocable move to the hoop.

Also, even the slightest increase in the hand pressure at the appropriate spot — usually the lead hip — was sufficient to further delay the attack-move.

This is for you Hobbitmage about the "funneling into the inside) thing and WHY it is a bad idea:

from NBA.com:

"As we've noted before, when the NBA started re-enforcing the hand-checking rule more stringently before the 2004-05, it may have been the most significant rules decision since the three-point line was added before the 1979-80 season. Instead of opposing guards being able to sink a meat-hook into a guy's side and direct him all over the court, the keep-your-hands-to-yourself edict has allowed basketball to be played closer to the way the good Dr. James Naismith intended when he wrote up the original 13 rules in 1891.

One of the interesting things about the rule is it also allows guards to go where most guards haven't been able to go before -- close to the hoop."

Another myth busted about the Celtics supposed "zone defense":

"Thibodeau's (Boston assistant coach/defensive schemer) defensive scheme is a bug-free marriage of hardware and software. The programming is straight out of the Van Gundy manual: Keep the ball out of the paint, shrink the floor by overloading defenders to one side and try to contest every shot. Rarely does Thibodeau tweak the game plan by calling a variety of sets from the sideline. The Celtics are committed to their basic man-to-man principles , and when a certain approach isn't working, the staff's first adjustment is to demand greater effort."

So stop BLASTING Fish so much. Yes he hasn't been the best defender against PG's but which Point guard has? The only one is Kobe and you don't want him putting extra pressure at the Age of 31! Farmar is terrible and Shannon hasn't been the best against Deron Williams or Chauncey Billups either! If you want a real legitimate reason to gripe about the PG defense ask BYNUM to play his screen and roll defense better! We are having so much quick guards torch is when teams play pick and roll against Bynum that forces either Fisher/Bryant/Farmar/Brown or even Odom to be keep making flip flop decisions about whether to go UNDER or OVER screens since Bynum either 1) doesn't hedge screens) or 2) over commits forcing a 3rd defender to commit leaving a OPEN SHOT. That's why the BEST lineup was Fisher-Bryant-Ariza/Artest-Odom-Gasol since almost everything was contested and you did not have individual defense to see get picked off. Sure Aaron Brooks did damage against Fish and had that 34 point game in Game 4.

But what about Game 2 when he shot 33% and "only" had 13 points? Or in Game 5 where he shot 36% and 14 points or even 31% and 13 points? People ALWAYS point to the Game 4 and Farmar's defense in Game 3......hmm do you guys forget about this what Brooks did to Farmar:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HHWgOdgsdgo

Yes Fisher has been struggling and neither PG's back ups are capable long term starters. but don't make up MYTHS when the rules is geared to allow dribble penetration. It's the way the NBA is!

Yes thanks to Stern and him wanting to open up the game. (which is why I say Kobe's 02-03 season by far exceeded even his 07-08 MVP year) since he had much tougher crap to deal with.

Floyd,

"Oh fishie, fishie, fishie, fish"

The TRUTH HURTS bandwagon:

01) PHRED- OWNER - oh yeah, d fish. No, i wouldn't bench him. He is definitely contributing to this team.
--FISH DOES NOT HAVE TO BE BENCHED, BUT THERE'S NO REASON HE SHOULD BE PLAYING MORE THAN 15-20 MINUTES A GAME, ESPECIALLY WITH THE IMPROVED PLAY OF SHANNON, SASHA AND FARMAR.

(02) JON K – DRIVER - Does anyone know that Derek Fisher has the highest cumulative three-point percentage in NBA Finals history? Cause he does. 52.2%. When it really matters, Derek Fisher has always shown up. This guy is a fricken warrior and has ALWAYS (ALWAYS!!!!) come through when the chips are down. He's a leader who makes his teammates better and represents the absolute best in Laker heritage.
--LOOK, NOBODY IS QUESTIONING FISH'S ABILITY TO MAKE WIDE OPEN SHOTS. THE 52% IS A RESULT OF SHAQ AND KOBE'S ABILITY TO DRAW ATTENTION AND CREATE OPEN OPPORTUNITIES FOR FISH. IT'S EVERYTHING ELSE IN HIS GAME THAT IS THE PROBLEM. IT'S FISH'S INABILITY TO STAY WITHIN HIMSELF AND CONTINUALLY FORCE THE ISSUE. HOW DOES MESSING UP FAST BREAKS, FORCING SHOTS, MAKING BENO UDRIH LOOK LIKE CHRIS PAUL, AND MAKING POOR DECISIONS MAKE HIS TEAMMATES BETTER?

(03) EDWIN GUECO - D' Fish is OK, a good man and has been a good Laker that delivered Championship from '00 to '08.
--AGREED

(05) MAMBA24 – Dfish is the man
(06) TOM - Derek is undoubtedly one of the leaders on the team.
--DFISH IS THE MAN AS ONE OF THE LEADERS OF THE TEAM, BUT HE IS NOT THE MAN WHEN HE IS ON THE COURT.

(07) DAVE M. - Fish will come out of his shooting slump in due time and he'll make a difference in big-time games. He has the confidence of the best player in the league and the winningest coach.
--FISH HAS BEEN IN A SLUMP FOR A YEAR AND A HALF. I ADMIRE YOUR PATIENCE DAVE M.

(08) LIVE RUGBY - He may not be the most consistent player during the regular season, but he has alway's stepped up big time in the playoffs and knocked down crucial shots I say continue things as is
(09) HECTORARTM - Everyone relax! Derek is fine and he will contribute big in a play off series.
--FISH'S 2 CLUTCH PLAYS AGAINST ORLANDO DOES NOT MAKE UP FOR THE OTHER 2,000 UNCLUTCH PLAYS. IF FISH DID NOT CONTRIBUTE SO HEAVILY IN GETTING BEHIND TO ORLANDO, WE WOULD NEVER HAVE NEEDED HIS CLUTCH SHOTS TO BEGIN WITH.

(10) BOB - All you need from fish is his leadership and for him to handle the ball and take clutch shots, which he is still doing. You don't need numbers from him. You just need his glue.
--YES, WE DO NEED HIS LEADERSHIP, GLUE AND CLUTCH SHOTS, BUT WE DO NOT NEED HIS BALL-HANDLING IN ANY WAY SHAPE OR FORM.

(11) ZairaAmaterasu - His heart and mind are totally devoted to the cause and whomever attacks him on the personal side should always think twice. This man is a Laker Great. Respect to him (not blind devotion, just respect) is something this guy has gained MAJORLY from us all.
--ANY CRITICISM OF FISH IS BASED 100% ON HIS PERFORMANCE ON THE COURT, IT'S NOT PERSONAL IN ANY WAY.

(12)HOBBITMAGE - The time to re-consider the pg situation will be after the playoffs not in the middle of a championship run.
--GOOD THING MANAGEMENT DIDN'T HAVE THIS SILLY PHILOSOPHY WHEN THEY MADE A TRADE FOR PAU. CAN YOU IMAGINE KUPCHACK SAYING, "LET'S NOT TRADE KWAME FOR PAU GASOL MIDSEASON, LET'S ADDRESS OUR CENTER SITUATION AFTER THE PLAYOFFS"? GREAT LOGIC.

(12)HOBBITMAGE - Why? Because the game slows down in the playoffs! [Y'all should know this by now. What's the matter with y'all? Act like you've got some sense! And if you don't, FAKE IT!!!
--JUST BECAUSE THE GAME SLOWS DOWN IN THE PLAYOFFS DOES NOT MEAN SPEED DOES NOT MATTER. ASIDE FROM FISH'S 2 CLUTCH SHOTS, HE WAS ABSOLUTELY AWFUL IN THE PLAYOFFS WHEN THE GAME SLOWED DOWN.

(13) JOHNNYV - It's on us guys, not Fish. You can be disappointed in our options at PG (I know we are) but Fish is just trying to play a bigger role than he should be doing at this point in his career.
--AGREED

(14) CALIPHILOSOPHER - you have to be willing to sacrifice maybe some of your individual shine to make sure the team is accomplishing the team goals. Now, I know he's not shooting too well lately, but I think this is exactly why our team needs him. He understands the big picture.
--HOW DOES FORCING SHOTS AND MAKING POOR DECISIONS EQUATE TO ACCOMPLISHING TEAM GOALS?

(15) JEPHTE - as far as Derek, get used to seeing him in the starting until he retires. As long as we have Kobe in our team, he will always be alongside him. Kobe has that much trust and respect for him.
--YOU ARE MOST LIKELY CORRECT, BUT BEFORE THE SEASON STARTED, I WOULD HAVE NEVER GUESSED THAT PHIL WOULD BENCH FISH IN 4TH QUARTERS DESPITE HIS STRUGGLES. IF PHIL IS WILLING TO BENCH A STRUGGLING FISH IN THE 4TH QUARTER, IT SEEMS POSSIBLE NOW THAT PHIL COULD BENCH HIM WHEN THE GAME STARTS AS WELL (ALTHOUGH UNLIKELY).

(16) EXHELODRVR - Fisher's calmness solidifies this team. Probably made the difference in two of the four title teams. To this point, relative to the other options on the team, he is still the best choice.
--SHANNON HAS BEEN PLAYING BETTER THAN FISH, AND IS ONLY GOING TO GET BETTER WITH INCREASED MINUTES WITH THE STARTING UNIT. I'M NOT SUGGESTING THAT FISH BE BENCHED ENTIRELY, BUT SHANNON HAS EARNED AT LEAST 20 MINUTES A GAME.

(17) CORNERJ - Phil continues to play Fisher because he still thinks Fish will deliver in those moments in the playoffs when he needs to deliver. So he keeps Fish in there now, and he keeps letting Fish know that he believes in Fish, precisely because he wants Fish to be ready to give him that 0.4 moment that will earn him Ring #11. So, go Fish go. Go Lakers go!
--AGREED. BUT AGAIN, THAT DOES NOT MEAN FISH SHOULD BE PLAYING MORE THAN 15-20 MINUTES A GAME.

(18) DOUG - Leadership, total respect by the locker room, a warrior, and a PROVEN winner. give it a rest on dFish
--AGREED, BUT HE CAN DISPLAY THE SAME LEADERSHIP QUALITIES DURING PRACTICE, IN THE LOCKERROOM AND FROM THE SIDELINES. WHEN HE IS ON THE COURT, HE HAS BEEN A COMPLETE LIABILITY ON BOTH ENDS OF THE FLOOR.

(19) LAKERTOM - Who would you rather have on the floor in a clutch situation on offense and defense? Fish, Farmar, or Brown. Seriously, I agree with Hobbitmage that the time to address the point guard situation will be after the season is over. Fish is the point guard I want with the ball in the playoffs this year. Then I want him to retire and become an assistant coach.
--FISH WANTS A NEW CONTRACT. HE IS NOT GOING TO RETIRE.

(20) JUSTANOTHERMAMBAFAN - Ok - enough Fish-bashing. Have you all forgotten what this man has meant to this team - not only in times past but even today??. Fish is a wily veteran who sees the bigger picture and ALWAYS comes through when it matters most. give the man the respect he deserves.
--POINTING OUT THAT FISH IS HAVING PROBLEMS MAKING A SIMPLE ENTRY PASS, OR LEADING A 3 ON 1 FAST BREAK, OR PLAYING POOR DEFENSE, OR FORCING SHOTS, OR MAKING ROOKIE MISTAKES IS NOT FISH BASHING, IT IS SIMPLY THE TRUTH.

(21) LAKERLASS - I’ll take a seat on the “I believe in Fish” bandwagon. I can’t add much more to what so many other believers have stated; just reiterate. He’s our glue. He contributes so much to the team off the court. Kobe needs his presence. Kobe trusts him. Done.
--HE CONTRIBUTES FOR OUR TEAM OFF THE COURT, BUT HE HAS BEEN CONTRIBUTING FOR THE OTHER TEAM WHEN HE IS ON THE COURT.

Laker Tom..
You can be angry with the Kbrothers if you like, but I think the gig they took on has as much to do with their radio appearances and a chance to take things in a new direction. I doubt if they are in a position of "Need" that their new blog has to be a bonanza. But maybe they are. Truth is, I couldn't tell you.

I post there sometimes when I get tired of waiting for a new post here or if it's taking too long to see the member posts refreshed/uploaded. I get up early and it's asking alot from our MM to stay up late with team coverage and then get up early to refresh our posts to keep things going 24/7.

I have no hard feelings against the KBros and I wish them the best. It's not an either or situation for me. Here is where the energy is and I'm glad the times stepped up and got us a guy who's capable and "into it". Nice show Mark Medina!

I'm comfortable here and I like it here. But that doesn't mean I won't check in the on KBrothers. CLEARLY though, the energy and "The Magic" is here. The Kbrothers won't duplicate that.

While it's true that Trevor Ariza pulled an "Ariza" on us, then it's also true that when we see Ariza, we still love him and want him to do well (as long as we win! LOL). Some of us (me included) hope that one day Ariza will do a DFish and come back to us to finish his career.

GREAT POST BLITZ

Ex,

I wonder where it is?

glad to see I have a soul brother about (my nipples explode with delight---do you wwwwant to come to my house bouncy bouncy?)

and no I will not buy this record, it is scratched...

GO LAKERS !!!

KB Blitz, MAN! Now THAT was a post my friends. Rack em! lol

Some of us (me included) hope that one day Ariza will do a DFish and come back to us to finish his career. Posted by: JohnnyV | January 08, 2010 at 01:12 PM

NOW THAT'S WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT!!!
*
Floyd,

"Oh fishie, fishie, fishie, fish"Posted by: exhelodrvr | January 08, 2010 at 12:58 PM
*
Huh?

Hey Kobeblitz! i rarely see you post anymore. I enjoy your post because you tell it like it is. I completely agree to what you just wrote. Team defense like how the Lakers played last year made them a respectable defensive team. Gasol's pick and roll defense is the best i've seen recently from a big man in a Laker uniform. He worked on it and tries to play like that every game, not so much this year maybe due to his injuries. I hope he'll get back to form later on the season. I really hope Bynum can play defense the same way and more, like blocking shots and intimidating opponents. And what's with the Fisher bashing? Ridiculous!! I don't even want to express my disgusts. Farmar as a starter? Hell no! Shannon? Maybe in the future but not now. He's still indecisive with the ball most of the time. But i'm sure he'll developed his mental game as the season progress. I hope we beat the Blazers tonight, i hate that team just as much as i hate the Celtics! Go Lakers!!

Mamba,

If you have to ask, you won't understand.

It's a Monty Python reference, in response to Floyd's earlier "and it went wherever I did go" - appropriate because of the thread subject of Fisher.

Of course, another appropriate option for him would have been the Norwegian Fish Dance.

Oh no! Competing bandwagons. I've seen this before:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lZ9g_lOB4RE


Wes


Or maybe the same bandwagon posted over and over.


Wes

JohnnyV,
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I’m not at all angry with the KamBros. Personally, I think they just thought it was time to move on. I have no idea whether they really thought they we would all follow or that they would be able to re-create what they created here for ESPN Los Angeles. I was just having fun with the Trevor Ariza thing.
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By the way, if you recall, I never thought that Ariza or his agent had anything to do with the “trade.” In my mind, the minute the Lakers had a chance to get Artest, Ariza was cooked. As for loving the guy, I appreciate what he did for us as a Laker but think he is greatly overrated as a player. He is and will always be a role player. Artest makes the Laker better.
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So in reality, I don’t believe that in the concept behind the phrase as I used it but did so just for fun. I also check out what is happening with the KamBros, too, because I have always respected how important they were in building this blog. Like I tell young people who work with me, never believe you are indispensible because you will be sorely disappointed at how life can go on and even improve without you. That’s just life.
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Meanwhile, the Land O’Lakers is a DEAD ZONE while MM has this blog hopping like the old days.
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Tom

The Clips loss was bad, but it did come on the second night of a back to back. There are no back to back games in the playoffs, so I don't think Laker fans should stress about the loss too much. B2B games are tough, especially for the older players like Fish. No need to change the PG rotation this year IMO, but I do think that Brown will take over Fish's spot, Farmar will be traded and Sasha will go back to the primary SG back up by next season. Why will sasha be kobe's primary back up? Well, he has a big contract that no one will take off of our hands and Farmar will either walk or be traded for picks and/or another SB-like projects.

Farmar's dribble dribble dribble- then launch a 3 antics do not fit with the triangle. He would do well with a run and gun team that does not have a structured offense.

Is Mitch the best or what? He takes other team's Scrubs (Trevor and SB) and turns them into Studs!

21) LAKERLASS - I’ll take a seat on the “I believe in Fish” bandwagon. I can’t add much more to what so many other believers have stated; just reiterate. He’s our glue. He contributes so much to the team off the court. Kobe needs his presence. Kobe trusts him. Done.
--HE CONTRIBUTES FOR OUR TEAM OFF THE COURT, BUT HE HAS BEEN CONTRIBUTING FOR THE OTHER TEAM WHEN HE IS ON THE COURT.
Posted by: LAKER TRUTH | January 08, 2010 at 01:05 PM

Yeah, and it was really touching to see how D-Wade and the Heat thanked us by missing one of their free throws. (Without Fish, Kobe’s buzzer-beater would have mattered not.)

From 12/4/09: The Heat took a four-point lead with 9.3 seconds remaining, but Derek Fisher quickly cut the lead to one with a 3-pointer at 4.3 seconds.

Lass

I AGREE re: Ariza,

"He is and will always be a role player. Artest makes the Laker better. "

GREAT POST MAMBA24, BY GOLLY YOU HAVE DONE IT AGAIN:

mamba24 wrote:

GREAT POST BLITZ

Posted by: MAMBA24

TO LAKER TEAM Dfish means:

1. Dfish is the true leader of the team and not Kobe
2. Dfish is the only player who has the balls to not defer to Kobe all the time
3. Dfish is the stabilizing force
4. Dfish brings all the intangibles to the team
5. Dfish is Mr. Clutch as he has proven over the past championship runs
6. Laker coaches and the brass know Dfish's value and thank god for that
7. Kobe maybe the best player but at best a mediocre leader
8. Dfish is the glue no ifs ands and butts!!

lakerfan,

Exactly.

I'm so tired of "fans" thinking that every player needs to be a fantasy sports machine. It doesn't work that way.

Bill Simmons (cursed troll that he is) in his book "The Book Of Basketball" laid out a clear path of what it takes to build a Championship team. I encourage you to check it out.

Hint: It's not a team composed of 13 fantasy sports statistic machines.

What do we play for? RINGS!!!

Lakers Today... Lakers Tomorrow... Lakers Forever.

GO LAKERS!!!!


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