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Caught in the Web: Debating the NBA All-Star snubs, Lakers links

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If it makes Lakers forward Andrew Bynum feel any better, he can take comfort in knowing he's not the only one -- other players also thought they were snubbed by NBA All-Star game selectors.

There was Clippers center Chris Kaman, who leads all centers in the league in scoring but who anticipated well ahead of time that the team's losing record doesn't really impress coaches. There was a deserving player (Cleveland guard Mo Williams) and an undeserving player  (Cavs center Shaquille O'Neal) who didn't make the cut, something Coach Mike Brown says is his fault since he doesn't exactly want players to just pad stats (except for LeBron). And then there are guys like New York's David Lee,  who says he'll just use the rejection as motivation.

Denver guard Chauncey Billups won't complain. He knows he has all-star numbers, but he promised he wouldn't get upset if he was left off the roster (he was). There's no use complaining when you have every media outlet telling you that you were wronged. When you go  through all the lists (here, here, here and there, and over there) and compile all the names, you have enough for multiple All-Snub teams, which the league should announce as a consolation prize. 

Lakers links (after the jump)

-- Sports Illustrated debates whether the Lakers' two regular-season losses to Cleveland are an indicator on how the postseason will play out. SI's Paul Forrester quotes a few scouts who say the Denver Nuggets and Oklahoma City Thunder have the best shot to beat the Lakers.

-- ESPN's John Hollinger breaks down his list of the best Lakers players, and ESPN's J.A. Adande shares his top five faces of the Lakers' franchise .

-- Lakers guard Derek Fisher discusses a multitude of topics with Dan Patrick, including the season-long suspensions of Gilbert Arenas and Javaris Crittenton; the Lakers' White House visit; and Kobe Bryant's injury.

-- The one man who is most familiar with Kobe's injuries (or any injury, for that matter) is Lakers trainer Gary Vitti. In a very interesting interview with Lakers.com's Mike Trudell, Vitti offers the money quote summing up Bryant's ability to play through pain: "He is absolutely the toughest, mentally and physically, the toughest athlete that I've ever worked with."

-- 76ers guard Andre Iguodala has a different take on Bryant. And even if this comes across the wrong way, he means it as a compliment: "He's mentally insane, to be honest with you."

-- Even though Bryant has returned today to his hometown, the City of Brotherly Love, Mamba says he considers L.A. his main home.

-- Perhaps this will simmer down the trade talk in Lakerland. The Toronto Star's Doug Smith says in a game chat that the Raptors aren't shopping forward Chris Bosh, and that includes to the Lakers. In a chat, ESPN's John Hollinger said a Lakers trade for Bulls guard Kirk Hinrich is financially unrealistic. Maybe, just maybe, that will cure Silver Screen and Roll's headache.

-- Lakers Coach Phil Jackson may say the grind of the eight-game trip is wearing on him, but he's still energetic enough to speak with ESPN's Colin Cowherd and former Lakers great and minority owner Magic Johnson.

-- The Lakers shouldn't look past their upcoming opponent, even if it is the Philadelphia 76ers. But Forum Blue & Gold gives fans a good reason that it's not so bad to look ahead to Sunday's game against the Boston Celtics.

-- Lakers forward Adam Morrison has joined the advisory board of the Joe Toucan Diabetes Project.

Tweet of the Day: "SOOOOO cold in Philly!!!!!!!" -- KhloeKardashian (Khloe Kardashian, wife of Lakers forward Lamar Odom and star on "Keeping Up With the Kardashians."

-- Mark Medina

Follow the L.A. Times Lakers blog on Twitter. E-mail the Lakers blog at mgmedin@gmail.com.

Photo: Pau Gasol gets a high-five from Kobe Bryant after making a basket during the fourth quarter of the Lakers' 118-96 victory over the Pacers on Wednesday.  Credit: Darron Cummings / Associated Press

 
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WELCOME TO BENIHANA FOR A SLICE AND DICE ACTION:

LakerTruth:

YOU WROTE: “Jon K thinks Bynum should be a higher option on offense over Kobe. He also thinks Kayman should be an all star. That would suggest that he thinks Kayman is a better option than Kobe. Please stick to your entertaining non-basketball related posts about dit dat jow, the super models that you've dated, and palm readings. With all due respect, basketball analysis is just not your forte.”

And let us not forget, the bio chrono reading, the lucky bar stool that Jon K. uses to perform game analytics, last but not least he belongs to Edwin’s Gueco’s club of “elders” the old herd.

OUT FREAKING STANDING, STOP, STOP ALREADY!! HAHAHA

- Rose over josh smith?!? SNUB

- Kayman quit your whining.. U play for the la clippers!

- tmac voted as starter?? Any word on whether he's even thinkin about playing? That would be the biggest joke in the history of the all star game. If he had any respect for the game he would not show his face

On a non-Laker note, I have to say I'm glad to see Deron Williams make the team. You can make a good argument he's the best PG in the league, at the very least he deserved this selection.

lakerfan,

We were referred elders because we got ahead of you, not necessarily old herds as you have referred us. I wonder how old are you based on your animo and ego? You love to attack LakerTom, then Jon K, Mamba 24 afterwards me - what's your beef? Are you jealous that we were here on this blog ahead of you? What is the difference? Why not concentrate on the Lakers rather tearing up a community of fans that is already been established?

No need of going to personalities on the posters, it doesn't help to attract more enemies in the blog.

Jamie,
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Outstanding post. I completely agree with your points about shot selection, especially early jumpers, which both Jordan and Shannon love to throw up without going inside. It’s frustrating that Phil just doesn’t order the team to pass the ball into the post because sometimes I wonder if the players will ever figure this out for themselves – or be unselfish enough to stop thinking of their points.
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If Jordan continues to play as well as he has been – his stats the last few weeks are better than Fisher and Brown – then he will be given a qualifying offer and will have a chance to succeed Fish next year or whenever Phil decides it’s time. LOL!
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Zaira,
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Thanks for the props. Reading your posts every day is like taking a quick trip to lovely Italy.
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JohnnyV,
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Do you really think that Jerry Buss is going to trade two $10M chips for backup point guard with a $28M contract that would end up costing the Lakers $76M? No way we make that trade.
($20M in lost expiring contracts + $28M in Heinrich’s salary, + $28M in luxury taxes.
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Rick,
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I think what Drew was referring to as political was the fact that the fans and the coaches have fielded a team without any centers. Can you imagine an All-Star game without a catcher or first baseman. The fans are forced to vote by position so why shouldn’t the coaches be held to the same principle.
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Tom

Ok, it took a day off and about six cups of coffee, but I’m finally caught up on the last two days worth of comments. And I hate to think how long it would have taken me if I didn’t ignore all Jon K’s posts (not serious, Jon K, much love)

My long and mostly reactionary comments, cause I know y’all were waiting quite anxiously.

FCM- Keep up the good work!

Of course, this is the best part;

“Tweet of the Day: "Sorry greg oden for that girl releasing those nekkid pictures of you in america!! I feel bad that this had to happen to a great BallPlayer." --RONARTESTCOM (Lakers forward Ron Artest on nude pictures of Portland center Greg Oden being posted online.
--Mark Medina”

I think Ron Ron is getting back into post season form. The triangle will follow, he’s already learned more than Vlad Radmonivic ever did.

Another great quote;
‘-- 76ers guard Andre Iguodala has a different take on Bryant. And even if this comes across the wrong way, he means it as a compliment: ‘He's mentally insane, to be honest with you.’”

Another notch for the mental illness leading to greatness argument to go along with Hemingway, Faulkner, Van Gogh and of course, pfunk.

uh, forward?

Truth,

Don't forget jonk also served as a monk, won a nobel peace prize and was awarded the medal of honor. I think he also once won an olympic gold medal or was it the winter olympics? I lose track...

Puddle- Thanks for that, I don’t do insider, so I appreciate it. No offense though, I’m going to go back and read all of that when waiting for the sleeping pills to kick in tonight.

Wesjoe- Ditto.

LakerTom- It’s been lost too much in the whole Bynum foofoorall, but you still have great writing chops. If there is a single silver lining to Bynum not destroying everybody, it’s that you are writing about somebody else. Nothing against your epic running disagreements over slight nuances with mage and Blitz, but you have too much writing talent to focus on a single issue so often.

Or if you want a nicer and better written comment, I agree with what Zaira said. Except, of course, that I don’t think we all have our ‘babies’ on the team. I think way too many people have kind of the opposite tendency when it comes to evaluating players, and focus on the negative. Of course, this isn’t exactly news to anybody, is it?

So, are there any other differences between the first time Pau came back and the second time Pau came back? Maybe another player has returned from injury, a player who facilitates more offense and has shown a willingness and some ability to pass to an open player inside, more often than not leading to a basket? Nah, can’t think of anybody like that. Besides, the way this blog goes, I’m sure many of the more reactionary and less sophisticated fans would just make the guy a scapegoat for not putting up more obvious stats. Heck, it would probably even become a running joke on the blog.


“First ad hominem then straw man: good job fitting two fallacious arguments into just five sentences.
Posted by: Sean P. | January 28, 2010 at 03:41 PM”

Yes! Somebody who understands logic! Actually, I don’t agree with what you said about Kobe, as I think that for his entire career he has shown that when it counts, he knows how to change his game to pass more when it counts, but that’s another argument for another day, I appreciate your comments.

“…Well, in my conflicting essence... I still believe his qualities outshine his defects. In potential, but also in reality.
I hope he will not drive me crazy, though.
Posted by: ZairaAmaterasu | January 28, 2010 at 11:40 AM”

Zaira- shhhh. With that kind of reasonable and well adjusted attitude, you are never going to get invited into mage’, blitz’s and LakerTom’s ‘cool’ group.
Well said, actually. I couldn’t agree more.

RE Hinrich trade discusiion- ok, for Sasha and Ammo it’s a no brainer. Popawhine would hate that one. This might be the first or possibly second time my opinion of something has actually been changed just by reading the comments here. Not sure if that says something about me or the comments, but I am almost convinced that if Buss is willing, Hinrich is worth the extra change.

Of course, that is a big if.


“Mamba24?? what's good with you? I am well, thanks for the love tap. But guess what?? I am not a bro??? I am all girl..yep sirree. That, be me in all my sexy Laker splendor!! :o) surprised???
Posted by: lakersrydeordie | January 28, 2010 at 11:28 AM”

Heh. LOL. Around here, hey, unless somebody has a name like ‘princess pooka’ or something, they are a dude. On most chat sites, even then…

Usually if you are an obvious female around here you can write great basketball commentary all day, and the first thing guys will post is a question about ‘ipads’ or something. I'm not saying this is a good thing, no.

Of course, if somebody calls me ‘phredikins,’ it does sort of prejudice me in favor of agreeing with whatever they say. (joking, joking. I judge everybody on the extant of their love, not the content of their pants)

LTLF- nice to see you posting again. One comparison you missed, however- number of ring wearing, future HOF players playing next to you…
I am actually a bit torn on whether this is a good trade or not, especially if Calderon could be thrown in at all. But hey, that’s why Mitch gets paid and phred doesn’t.

“’Trade Artest for anyone. That kook is holding us back.
Posted by: Mike Tyson | January 28, 2010 at 10:26 AM’

So, I hope you mean "anyone" in the individual sense, and not the universally quantified sense (i.e. Anyone over 4'5" is allowed to ride this attraction).
Because if you mean the universal form, there's no way we can trade Ron Artest for EVERYONE IN THE WORLD (Including Ron himself).
And if you mean the individual sense, your domain is not restricted enough; they couldn't trade Ron Artest for me, since I'm not employed in the NBA and (as such) part of the people covered by the collective bargaining agreement.
Perhaps you should try something more constructive; ESPN has a trade machine where you could see if your fantasies are in fact valid possibilities (as deemed by the SOME of the rules of the league; Commissioner Stern has final say over trades, and ESPN doesn't have a machine that can tell you what's in his head).
Thanks for trolling!
Posted by: Caliphilosopher | January 28, 2010 at 10:48 AM”


This is what happens when sarcastic people get advanced degrees.

“I hope that by season's end I'm sitting at home, doob and beer (or scotch) in hand looking at the TV saying, "Man, Farmar grew up and Kobe is back to playing like his Olypmic self when he was a stalwart on D, a fascilitator on O and a winner at the end." If those two things happen then I won't be worrying about how many shots Gasol, Bynum and Artest get, it'll have happened as a result of plain old smart basketball.

Here's to hope.
Posted by: Jamie Sweet | January 28, 2010 at 08:19 PM”

I’m a big fan of hope. Also Faith, for that matter. The greatest of all these, however (no offense to Faith), well…

IT IS ALL ABOUT THE LOVE

GO LAKERS!

How cute cute cute the pic pof Pau&Kobe's high five is????
Awww.
How I love them is impossible to be written down.

Okay, enough for the *baby fan in me go nuts for unmattering thing* and back to the subjecyt of the links.

Gotta be quick cos I am about to leave for my best friend's bachelorette party (*sigh*.. she will marry and she won't even be 25... But if she's happy...) and I still wanna take part at boarding duties/pleasures today as well. (Dunno if I will be able to say "Hi" in chat: first cos I don't know if my iPhone will allow me that, and then because of course to find time for a hello during a bachelorette party around 1 am isn't easy... but good news is that the game is broadcasted on Italian SkySport tv and where we will be at there are giant flat screen if we want, so I will definitely see how it goes... sneaking off from the dancefloor... :P).

I am quite agreeing with all the choices for the All Star Game.
I actually decoded it in me as I read all names. I'm not that familiar with some, but for instance I am agreeing with all the exclusions enlightened in MM's post. I wouldn't have called any of those.

Andrew will be a definite candidate next year.
But this year, he's not fit yet.

I see that I am not the only one fearing the Thuggets as our main obstacle to the Final this year.
They have a way to play that is similar to the one Cavs have and plus they - when in shape - are faster, and more creative than Cavs. They have the clear advantage of the altitude at home and they have - most importantly - the past experiences against us to be fruitful and motivational even more this time around. Last year I lost years of life in the semi-final. They are a treath. I will always hate them and at the same time hugely respect them.
They play not really my type of bball... but I can clearly see what they play like can hurt especially us.

I smiled reading Igoudala's opinion about Kobe's mental sanity.
In fact, I can see what he means.
He sees the extraordinary with the ordinary eyes and his rationality cannot tip anything but "crazy" what he isn't fit to experience.

We call Kobe alien at times. I guess the two ideas can be synonimic in many ways.

I long to catch a glimpse of Kobe's greatness also tonight. But don't tell my best friend that *casually* all the screen in the Vip section will be tuning in to make us see Lakers ;)
I'll take care that she will be so occupied she won't even take notice of surroundings...

Have a great day LakerLand :)

Awww phred.
I love when you post.
Love it completely.
I had to tell it before going out.

Now... debauchery's in.

Well, I mean.. out.

*Zaira goes all decadent in honour of her friend*

Later ;)

LakerTruth,

"Jon K thinks Bynum should be a higher option on offense over Kobe"

I've NEVER stated that. What I did say is that the combined duo of Pau Gasol AND Andrew Bynum should collectively carry a greater offensive load than the singular player of Kobe Bryant. I feel we should emphasize our high percentage inside game over outside shots.

Once again, LakerTruth, your "truth" turns out to be a load of bullcrap.

What do we play for? RINGS!!!!

Lakers Today... Lakers Tomorrow... Lakers Forever.

GO LAKERS!!!!

yellofever,

"Don't forget jonk also served as a monk, won a nobel peace prize and was awarded the medal of honor. I think he also once won an olympic gold medal or was it the winter olympics? I lose track..."

I was a monk.

Hey, making fun of me and the fact that I've lead a storied life, just makes you look jealous of the fact that you've had a very bland life.

I'll take the diverse intensity of my life experience over whatever lead you to become a whiney, spoiled fan any day of the week.

What do we play for? RINGS!!!!

Lakers Today... Lakers Tomorrow... Lakers Forever.

GO LAKERS!!!

yeah, ok, i'm a hypocrite. i comment trying to lightly chide the crowd for sexisim, and the first thought I had from reading that there is a bachelorette party of italian women going on tonight is 'hey, try to have some of them stop by the game chat.'

But i can't bring myself to apologize. After all, shouldn't everbody stop by for the game chat?

>>>John Hollinger said a Lakers trade for Bulls guard Kirk Hinrich is financially
>>> unrealistic.

But his comment seems to assume the deal doesn't include Sasha. Hollinger's quote was:

"I don't think Dr. Buss is anxious to spend an extra $18 million in 2010-11 money when his team is good enough to win the West as it is."

If Sasha is included in the trade, then it would only cost the Lakers an additional 7 million next season, not 18 million. (Hinrich makes 9, Sasha makes 5.5 next season).

But there is some merit to his argument. The Lakers are still considered the favorites, though their two losses to Cleveland may have narrowed the gap a bit. Barring a losing streak between now and the trade deadline, I think the Lakers will stand pat and bring the current squad back to the finals and leave any re-tooling to the off-season.

Question: Other than Kobe, who on this team would you want to shoot a game winning last second 3? Exactly! But that being said....

...Fish stinks. Phil stinks for starting him. Give him Brian Shaw/Ron Harper off the bench minutes now. 15 min tops. May also improve bench play.

I don't have 10 rings, but doesn't it seem so obvious?

I think the blog is kind of getting over-run by spoiled fans.

It used to be that we were infested with trolls, but we fought them off.

Now the tone is shifting a bit towards spoiled, whining fans and the diehards aren't posting as much.

It does have me concerned.

Mark Medina, you understand that your role here is more than to just post seven threads a day and occasionally politely thank a blogger for their praise, right?

It's your responsibility to occasionally confront bloggers when they say stupid things. You're the one with the inside access. You know more than we do. So, you really need to do that occasionally.

It's necessary.

Otherwise the tone of the blog will continue to decline.

That "setting the record straight" component of being the bloglord is essential to the development of blog-think-sync.

So, I hope you'll consider taking up that role more often, because you're the only person with the authority to do it.

What do we play for? RINGS!!!!

Lakers Today... Lakers Tomorrow... Lakers Forever.

GO LAKERS!!!!

Edwin Gueco:

Of course no beef here, where is the beef LOL? I am simply amused at references made by you on a consistent basis as being the first to partake in laker blog forum and being delusional enough to accept the “elder” status. Emperors new clothes

You wrote: "We were referred elders because we got ahead of you, not necessarily old herds as you have referred us."

I was not aware that we are in a race as to who got here first and in bigger scheme of things does it really matter?

By the way attack is a harsh term to use unless you are not open to others point of view without the use of profanity. On contrary I have seen many threatening (#$!*) posts by people who I am not going to mention, a mute point.
Chill your jets old timer. I say enjoy, enjoy and enjoy!!
Peace Out “elder” brother

Laker Tom,

>>Do you really think that Jerry Buss is going to trade two $10M chips for
>>>backup point guard with a $28M contract that would end up costing the
>>>Lakers $76M? No way we make that trade. ($20M in lost expiring contracts
>>>+ $28M in Heinrich’s salary, + $28M in luxury taxes.

Uh, your math is a little off. And a little unusual as well (including expiring contracts as value).

The imaginary trade being discussed by the media is Hinrich for AmMo and Sasha. Let's consider the math for that deal for a second, shall we?

This year Hinrich makes 9.5 million, while Sasha and Morrison combined make 10.2 million. So for this season, the Lakers would SAVE .7 milion (plus another .7 million in luxury tax).

Next year, Hinrich will make 9 million, while Sasha will make 5.5 million.
The difference there is 3.5 million. (double it for 7 million if you'd like).

And the last year of Hinrich's contract, 2011-12, he'll make 8 million.
But you can't really compare that number to ZERO, as you are doing. The Lakers will have to have a starting point guard in 2011-12, right? It might still be Fisher, it might be Farmar, it might be Brown, but the Lakers will have to pay SOMEONE some amount of money to be their starting PG.

And starting PGs don't come cheap. Fish is toward the low end of the scale at 5 million. Here is what some other teams will be paying their starting PGs in 2011-12:

Atlanta - Mike Bibby - 6.2 million
Boston - Rajon Rondo - 10 million
Chicago - Derrick Rose - 7 million (on his rookie contract)
Cleveland - Mo Williams - 8.5 million
Dallas - Jason Kidd - 8.5 million
Denver - Chauncey Billups - 14.2 million
Golden State - Monta Ellis - 11 million

I could go on, but I think you get the point. There is no such thing as a starting PG that makes zero, which your 28 million figure assumes. At the very LEAST, the Lakers would have to spend 5 million plus for a starting quality PG. Hinrich's 8 million would be about average for a starting PG.

So if we assume the Lakers could get someone reasonable (maybe Farmar) for 5 million per, then the difference between that and what they would pay Hinrich (8 million) is only 3 million.

So let's add that all up.

2009 - save 1.4 million (including luxury tax)
2010 - spend 7 million more (including luxury tax)
2011 - spend 6 million more (including luxury tax)

When you put it all together, trading AmMo and Sasha for Hinrich and using him as the starting PG for the next 2 and a half years would cost the Lakers in the ballpark of 11.6 million over what they are already spending.

Not 76 million. 11.6 million. And that's over 3 years.

It is more money, but not nearly as much as some people want to make it out to be.

Good Morning Charles...Good Morning Everyone...

the All Star Game is really a glorified joke of sorts, pretty much meaningless, but is often fairly entertaining...

the biggest factor in delegating it to joke status is of course fans getting to vote for the starters---nothing but a popularity contest of sorts and a lame one at that...i.e. look at the debachery of this year's fan selection and voting---McGrady, Iverson etc.

it's time they took the fans out of it completely... but that probably means less money for some sponser or another...

then you have the coaches voting which is better, albeit only slightly, mainly because everybody has their own criteria and agenda for their voting...

player voting? maybe, but even then there will always be players who feel snubbed, some viewed as undeserving etc. etc. etc.

so the All Star Game is just an excuse for a mid season break and with it an entertaining celebration of the league, some of it's players, and basketball in general that really shouldn't be taken with any seriousness at all, so I guess it doesn't matter (obviously...again, just look at the way they are picked) how the players are picked or whom is picked...

I actually wish that no Lakers were (or are ever) picked---just think of the motivation that Kobe and the team would have to shove that snubbing down someone's throat---not to mention giving all of our players a nice needed break...

bet Phil agrees with me on that one, as it were...

EX, thanks for your responses on the Python (Monty) quotes---sorry I don't always acknowledge them, but I do appreciate them and you always make me laugh with your clever and highly approriate responses, can you move my jacket up to the higher peg please, I am getting my haircut and then I have to write a letter home and I don't want to miss the student faculty rugby game today...

"climb in the back with your head in the clouds and you're gone"

"it's not a balloon...here go take a look for yourself. No thank you, I ahhhhh...."

AS ALWAYS, AS EVER, YET ANOTHER GREAT DAY (AND CHAMPIONSHIP SEASON) TO BE A LAKER FAN !!!

GO LAKERS !!!

Jon K,

"It's your responsibility to occasionally confront bloggers when they say stupid things. You're the one with the inside access. You know more than we do. So, you really need to do that occasionally."

Your wish is my command:
Stop acting like a raving lunatic, and let's talk some Lakers.
Happy now?

Jon K.

With due respect, usually, people who accept monk hood remain a monk for rest of their lives. It is not something people do as a passing phase or fancy. It takes a great deal of commitment to follow through on promises. Personally monk hood is over rated.

Just curious and no offense intended.

Mr. Phredington,
You are on a roll sir!

Jon K,
Can we just get along?

LTLF,
Yes, we are good enough to win it with this roster. The team is only going to get better once Artest gets his feet healthy, and Bynum starts to develop better chemistry with Pau, but I am very concerned that the other contenders will make a big trade. This is not a time for the front office to be complacent. A dynasty is at stake.

Get ready for that Boston game. This is going to be the defining moment of the 2009-2010 regular season. Even though they are hobbled, the Celtics have 3 All Stars versus the defending champs' 2. I call that an insult.

It's Friday, why is everyone so cranky?

Jon K - couldn't have said it better. It's getting annoying coming on here & having to sort through the whiny, spoiled idiot postings about nothing, just for the sake of bashing someone or getting a rise out of someone else.

MM - GET ON IT! You really need to sort out this mess. Our love for the Lakers along with the intelligent conversation that should ensue is being buried in crap. And really, no one likes crap but dung beetles....

Edwin Gueco,

Regarding your comments to lakerfan.

I think we have to accept that some people are just doucebags who out of jealousy will attack people who have interesting things to say because they, themselves, have nothing interesting to say.

What I have treasured about this blogmunity for years are the personalities who debate and support each other, people like yourself, Laker Tom, Caliphilosopher, floyd, phred, LongTimeLakerFan, justanothermambafan, Mamba24, utzworld, ZairaAmaterasu, Charles, et al.

This place wouldn't be as successful and enjoyable were it not for these people.

Some people just don't get that and out of insecurity walk into a party and just start insulting people to over-compensate for their own internal weakness. They think they're being bold and clever when they're just being jerks.

It's a sad fact of life that these types of people are legion on this Earth, but I think it is the responsibility of people, like ourselves, to acknowledge what's really going on internally with these people and then just walk away.

What do we play for? RINGS!!!

Lakers Today... Lakers Tomorrow... Lakers Forever.

GO LAKERS!!!!

Jon K,

"The Two Towers need to be our first option and Kobe our second option.

I love Kobe Bryant, but he needs to start channeling his inner Jerry West and look to distribute first and, when the opponents' defense collapses inside, look to make the big outside shot second.

We need to stop thinking about an offense where Kobe Bryant can take over the game when we need it and move onto an offense where The Two Towers can take over the game when we need it."

I agree with you 100% !


Bynum and Gasol will give Higher percentage field goals. It will dominate the paint to free up the perimeter, it will create foul troubles for the opposing teams. This will be the ultimate nightmare for all of NBA.

Kobe is a great 3 pt shooter when he is open, this has also not been utilize a lot.

Lakers need to start MAXIMIZING their strength inside and outside.

Jon K


LakerTruth,

"Jon K thinks Bynum should be a higher option on offense over Kobe"

I've NEVER stated that. What I did say is that the combined duo of Pau Gasol AND Andrew Bynum should collectively carry a greater offensive load than the singular player of Kobe Bryant. I feel we should emphasize our high percentage inside game over outside shots.

Once again, LakerTruth, your "truth" turns out to be a load of bullcrap.

What do we play for? RINGS!!!!

Lakers Today... Lakers Tomorrow... Lakers Forever.

GO LAKERS!!!!

Posted by: Jon K. | January 29, 2010 at 11:19 AM

Jon K .... Look in the mirror (bullcrap)


Imagine Garnett getting in early foul troubles.


BRING THE BALL INSIDE. TWO SEVEN FOOT 1 INCH. BOTH WITH GREAT POST MOVES.


IT IS TIME FOR LAKERS TO DOMINATE.


LongTimeLakerFan,

While I'm all for the Hinrich trade, what I don't understand is why the Bulls would commit to it?

Chicago is a tough market. Like Lakers fans, they're not particularly patient. They want to win now.

Hinrich is a good player. I don't intellectually understand why they'd make the trade.

And so after the trade we'd have four point guards and one shooting guard (I know... I know... I know... Shannon Brown can also play shooting guard)? That kind of doesn't make sense.

What do we play for? RINGS!!!

Lakers Today... Lakers Tomorrow... Lakers Forever.

GO LAKERS!!!!

"If it makes Lakers forward Andrew Bynum feel any better, he can take comfort in knowing he's not the only one -- other players also thought they were snubbed by NBA All-Star game selectors."

Bynum primarily plays center last time I checked; unacceptable typo.

EXCELLENT ANALYSIS BY Staples 24:

Learn something new every time I read the comments by well informed and knowledgeable fans:

You wrote: "Bynum and Gasol will give Higher percentage field goals. It will dominate the paint to free up the perimeter, it will create foul troubles for the opposing teams. This will be the ultimate nightmare for all of NBA. "

LongTimeLakerFan,
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Jordan Farmar will start next year at $2.8M salary. You also forget that you are giving away two very valuable expiring contracts, which will save the Lakers $10M in salary and tax. The deal does not make basketball or financial sense in my opinion. The final proof will be that the deal will never be made.
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Tom

tonight will show how bynum has reacted to being snubbed. if he is a true competitor he will rebounce with revenge. this is the time to show coaches he is a consistent player and a real all star by letting his game come to him. show some heart everytime you get on the court. finish your assignment in defending. crash the glass, show some positive attitude and ugency. above all, play above the rim!!!

lakerfan,

"With due respect, usually, people who accept monk hood remain a monk for rest of their lives"

Why do you say that? That's often not true.

I was a monk for three years.

I don't see why you have a problem with that.

What do we play for? RINGS!!!

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