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Andrew Bynum, Pau Gasol A pair of quickie items regarding Pau Gasol and Andrew Bynum:

    -First, El Spaniard, who's reported by HoopsWorld as close to an extension with the Lakers. I must admit, this took me by surprise. Not that the purple and gold would want to remain in "the Gasol Business." That goes without saying. I actually wasn't even aware an extension could be formally worked out at this point during a season. The CBA, she is a lady often confusing and unpredictable, which is why the exact dollars Gasol would receive remain unknown to our buddy Eric Pincus, the HW scribe reporting the news.

    Obviously, I would NOT treat this item as a deal set in stone, because anything can and often does happen during such talks, the first I've heard of between these parties. But assuming conversations are underway and no hiccups emerge, that's clearly a fantastic development for the Lakers. No ETA on Kobe Bryant's theoretical extension, but it's damn near impossible to picture 24 picturing greener pastures. He'll get locked up sooner or later, meaning the Kobe-Gasol-Ron Artest-Andrew Bynum-Lamar Odom core will be intact for the near future.

    -Speaking of the near future, one hopes it includes a rebounding bump for Andrew Bynum. Drew's rapidly dwindling work on the boards has a source of contention for many fans and media alike, including BK and me- having discussed it on last week's podcast and (SPOILER ALERT!!!) the one hitting shelves tomorrow- and our other buddy Kurt Helin over at Forum Blue and Gold. Helin took a detailed look at the issue, breaking down various second half/OT possessions of last night's LAL-MIL contest. His conclusion: The issue is a combination of legitimately mitigating circumstances (including illness) and attempts mistimed or simply lacking in oomph.

    It's a conclusion similar to the one BK and I arrived at in the studio this afternoon (SECOND SPOILER ALERT!!!) To some degree, we both feel Drew doesn't yet have an instinctive feel for a ball's flight, the ability to anticipate where the rock is rock is heading. He may also be adjusting to Gasol's presence on the court, as his glass stats began dropping the minute Pau returned to action. On the flip side, Pau's certainly adjusted PDQ to Drew sharing the lane. And whatever lack of understanding exists could be offset by a willingness to rip a rebound out of a teammates' hands if that's what it takes to make it yours. Drew doesn't have that mentality, in our estimation. It would nice to see that agenda emerge. Obviously, Drew is a young kid still learning to take his game to better-rounded level, so expectations must remain accordingly realistic. But at the Lakers are among the weaker defensive rebounding teams, so it's actually imperative that Bynum do his part. Generally speaking, teams that don't get it done on the glass don't take home a title.

AK

Photo: Andrew Bynum raising the O'Brien trophy as Pau Gasol smiles. Credit: Chris Graythen/Getty Images
 
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LOL on TNT the skit was on for best individual performance, and the Paul Pierce NBA Finals game was one of the nominations. Charlie and Kenny were dying of laughter saying how Pierce faked that injury and he didn't deserve to be in the category. Kobe is in two of those nominations, and so is Fisher, so everyone go and vote!

Nemaia,

Just to point out, Bynum is not JUST coming into the league, this is his 5th year. He has had his 4 years equivalent of College ball.

But you're right, I shouldn't compare him to the greats. Apple and Oranges.

http://www.cbssports.com/nba/story/12674168/state-of-the-artest-lakers-enjoying-added-defensive-dimension

Read this article on cbssports. It just shows how some writers do not put due diligence and research into their work.

#1 Lakers lost to Utah on the road. I'm sure he means the game against the Jazz at home.
#2 He mentions how Artest held Wade to 7-21 shooting. Did he watch the game? Kobe guarded Wade that game I believe for the most part.

finished watching the replay. Boguts feet were maybe done moving, maybe not. Kobe got the same allowance for continuation that just about anybody else would get.

And I noticed at the end what I believe to me Kobe talking off his shoes and bestowing them to some fortunate soul in the stands. Very classy. On the court, Kobe could give lessons to future wannabe stars about how to act.

phred

because you changed your mantra from

LOVE, love, Love, to

appreciate, appreciate, appreciate,

i have to tell you/and the Lakers family what was the question that popped up in the NBA/ESPN news room after Kobe's shot last night and the 7 points he scored in the last minute of the overtime (transcription):

"Do we almost underrate this guy (Kobe)?
Not APPRECIATE enough how NASTY he is when it matters most?"

i'm happy that even ESPN is getting on with the program/reality besides their own allegiances to other players

APPRECIATE, APPRECIATE, APPRECIATE, Kobe is still playing in the NBA!

AK,

"He'll get locked up sooner or later, meaning the Kobe-Gasol-Ron Artest-Andrew Bynum-Lamar Odom core will be intact for the near future."

Which is something beyond awesome.

The MAGIC question which I don't recall anyone ever asking is WHO would be the ultimate point guard for The Triangle?

Seriously, of all the point guards in the NBA (or college) who would best suit The Triangle?

I am not certain, but I wonder if that guy is Derek Fisher.

What do we play for? RINGS!!!

Lakers Today... Lakers Tomorrow... Lakers Forever.

GO LAKERS!!!!

What do you think of this trade proposal ? Lakers send Luke Walton, Shasha V, D.J. Mbenga and # 1 pick 2010 to the Bobcats for Tyson Chandler. I hate losing Luke but Artest makes the the deal less painful. Chandler is another big body that can play center or powerforward. Tyson is quick enough to get easy lobs . He would be a good insurance policy for Bynum or Gasol. Great combo off the bench with Odom . Contract is up in time for the Lebron sweepstakes.

Lebron a Laker movement day 23. Believe my fellow Laker fans. Believe in the karma of a winner. Wilt could have said no. Kareem could have said no . Shaq could have told Jerry West I love Orlando. Kobe could have refused the trade and stayed in Charlotte but no, they saw greatness, they saw glory, they saw teammates with talent. Chemistry is here Lebron. Like Katt Williams said " go ahead look around i'll wait.

I think part of why Bynum hasn't been getting as many boards is just his improvement on defense. I've seen several occasions when he's left defending a midrange center (i.e. Okur), which takes him out near the top of the key. He's so concentrated on covering his man that he doesn't have the second thought to turn around and grab the ball.

In past years we'd all be clamoring for him to clamp down and "show some D". I haven't seen him whiff on defensive assignments as much as he used to (maybe Hollinger is right). But his progression on defense has come at the cost of his stubborn focus on his defender, and not what happens after the ball has been tossed up. Pau or Lamar usually come in around now, and hang near the low post for the rebound.

And other times Bynum seems a little timid around his own guys. Lamar, Kobe, Pau, or even Shannon can come in and grab the rebound with force in front of Bynum. Andrew doesn't care, cuz his team has the ball. IMO it's no coincidence that Gasol's rebounding streak has come at the expense of Bynum's rebounding drought.

I may be going too far off on a tangent, but I think this sort of mimics Lamar's lack of intensity on the scoring end. On the Kam Broz last Podkast, they talked about how Lamar preaches the all-around game. That's fine and all, (and who am I to say otherwise), but I'd like to see Lamar drive to the lane more often, like Artest or Kobe would naturally do. "Making the extra pass" or "spacing out the key" has its detriments when you take it to its extreme.

Hi! I just have to make you notice that Bill Plaschke's finally seen THE LIGHT OF THE GOD.
Which quite scares me cos I get freaky when historically doubtful people start to jump on Kobe's bandwagon.
I like Kobe to keep feeling the challenge. I like a lot when he proves all of his detractors or unbelievers PAINFULLY WRONG.

So the man can do pretty much all he wants to.
*Big News* everybody?
SURE he can!
Never had a single doubt in my entire life. NEVER. EVER.

I still have to pinch myself when even around here people question Kobe. Are you for real? The moment when he will stop playing we should MOURN and I am not meaning this just merely "us" Lakers fans... I meant the entire universe of basketball.

Think Twice before attacking Kobe. Should be a valid mantra. Am I wrong? (rethorical question: don't answer. If you would, it means you are not part of the Kobe Believers, then to me there's something wrong in your appreciative mindset of the basketball game. As simple as that).

The only minus in Plaschke's article is the obnoxious mention of LeBronze.
LeBron will never ever be dignified to be mentioned in anything related to Kobe's range of class. Know why? He lacks BRAIN. Brain as IQ bball skill, and BRAIN as respect and humility in this game. Those things that makes you better, even when you realize you are of an above class. Kobe has always got it. LeBron is already old enough to show he ain't got that inside him.
So much physical skill, so much game attitude, wasted on this simple fundamental lack.

No Bill: I appreciated your article, but you still a step behind a true Kobe Believer status. True Kobe Believers simply don't consider LeBron fully worthy. That's it.

I am DELIGHTED if Pau gets already resigned.
He's my other baby.
The one whom I follow in everything he does on court, so I am the last one in being impressed with his current stats: That's Pau for you. Why being jaw-dropping? Kobe isn't. He knows where Pau's at as player. He knows he's dignified to speak with him at a leel only PJ can.
(talkin about that: how ADORABLE were them while Pau was almost strangling Kobe after the victory? The punch on the back Kobe gave back to Pau as appreciative gesture of such enthusiasm would have probably sent to hospital many of us... I love camaraderies in sports. Couldn't stop going "awww" at all that...)

I would also love to see less drama around our current games.
First of all it's freakin DECEMBER.
I surely don't want to be in perfect shape now. Cos being in perfect shape now means to have not the best peak and experience when it counts, namely APR/MAY/JUN.

To all claiming we struggle with poor teams, I'd like to point out just the obvious: against Lakers everybody doubles their efforts, when we are NOT champions holders. When we are, they generally QUADRUPLE that. Not against others: there you go your way to erroneously put games in comparison.

Furthermore, Lakers have an history of not completely focusing against teams that are clearly inferior, maximizing the hurt they can reach us with, cos we play less when they play more than their best.

BUT... last year we would have lost games that this year we are WINNING.

BUT... seems that the players see they can do more and they WANT to do more (read: Ron Ron's latest after game speech, which I completely LOVED).

We are the best team. As long as injuries don't destroy this evidence (and it seems even injuries can't really stop us at the moment) we are gonna win but it's not like we can expect a 20 points lead every game.

I don't even want it. I love the way Lakers twist with my mental sanity and heart power.

Last game for me was really entertaining and really in the Lakers' style. If you are a Laker fan from a longtime, there's no way you don't see how history repeats, but in the shirling, ascending way.

To say it with Kant, or Hegel: history repeats to the same patterns, but evolving from them to a more perfected reality, round after round.

So we are the same: just better than last time.
And we are getting better with every step more we take within the future.

Enjoy the ride.
Be faithful.
Be confident.

Others will challenge us: but it won't e enough, as long as we are the ones challenging ourselves to reach our very best. There's nobody who can get there along us. NOBODY.

PS: Hey, I'm born in 1985 but EVERY music lover, no matter which genre, gotta know and love the Beatles. They are MUSIC. All people currently out, no matter their style, genre field, attenpt at being different owe to the Fab Four part of their background. There's no music love or educated appreciation of it where there is no Beatles acknowledge and experience.
As simple as that. I'm just listening to Revolver, in my laboratory.
And I don't feel listening to oldies: I feel listening to timeless greatness.

Compare to shooting, rebounding needs a presence of mind and a will to get the ball before the other man gets the ball. In simple words: HUSTLE!! That is absent in Drew!

Nemaia,

it was just another b ang from p ang.

and now 4 some p ing p ong: after the game, i collected some quotes from Lakers fans regarding Bynum. (if you really search, i'm "light" with my collection) enjoy!

C: if he plays like this i will never vote for him again to be an ALL Star

R: wowww, Bynum got a board. kind of.

R2: Andre Bynum has 3 rebounds to Michael Redd's 6?

R3: does anyone else think he is just sitting there on the bench with that smile on his face thinking, "they are paying me 12mil? i don't even have to show up... oh, kobe hit the shot, ok, ok, be cool, pretend like i care..."

R4: Of course. Bynum has a ring and all he was last season in the NBA Finals was a foul dummy. He is 7 foot and has grabbed 6 rebounds the last two games against teams with no frontline.

R5: how long before we call Bynum a huge bust?

so maybe Bynum should read why he does not have enough votes even with Yao and Oden out.

and because hobbitmage added the word character next to talent, i want to tell you 2 personal impressions regarding Bynum and his "merit" on the all star team.

during the last part of the season or playoffs, after one game, he had a laconic time with the press during the post game interview sessions. he acted like he has an emergency and has to leave quickly, rushing out from the locker room. but the same thing happened for many games in a row. do u think fans appreciate that? or journalist? that's their bread and butter. an interview that will fill up the space on the blog in the next morning as video/audio/quotes.

before the season was over, he became very excited and announced his interest in the US team summer camp. and yes, he did not show up because, Italy.

so what does Bynum give back to fans to request and to expect their vote? NOTHING. and as you know, fans have good memory: oh, Bynum, the guy who wanted his contract in advance and the opportunist who wanted to pat his resume with a place on the US team roster. NO VOTE 4 U.

PJ came up with a slick excuse that Bynum has "some" health issues. how come it was not an issue before the road trip. maybe to keep him in contention 4 his all star bid. till then, as other blogs nicknamed him, just a "black hole". sunspots?

The rebounding would be more of a concern if the Lakers weren't far and away the most effective team at contesting shots in the NBA while not fouling opposing players (lead league in Opposition Free Throw Rate, and in defensive ratio (oXeFG/oeFG). So the low Defensive rebound rate could be due to excellent shot contesting which leaves the play contesting the shot not in a position to rebound while other teams might give a more open look because their defensive ability is not on par with the Lakers.

AK:

Good observation of AB's OT performance on Tuesday. I watched the replay of that first 2 minutes in the OT again after reading your article and still not convince that AB had miscalculated the trajectory of the rocks coming his way. To me, he's just being lazy and not giving the full efforts during the game. Rebounds usually related with hustle and effort. Pau has exceeded in that area in the last 4 games that could be the culprit why AB seems lackadaisical when comes to defense & rebound. But after 4-5 years of seeing Bynum as a Lakers, sometimes he could be so brilliant on both ends, sometimes he's just a dud standing around like a stiff allowing opposing player to snatch an offensive rebound. I came to realization that Andrew will never be the "Beast" we hope him to be. At this rate, he would never start as a center in an all star games or making a first team all NBA. AB, however, has a potential to become a "Benoit Benjamin" , a whadda, coulda, shouda inigmatic player that made everyone shook their heads, unless he changes his attitude and start taking care of the rocks coming his way before it's too late.


phred,

you wrote: mage- drew has done ok against some quality centers in the past. He went blow for blow against Shaq on several occasions and he made Yao Ming work enough to disrupt Houston's offense. I really am thinking that if Drew was a role player he would be excelling. And if Drew wants to be a star, he is doing the right things, putting one foot in front of the other on the court. I won't waste time arguing that Drew is the future of the franchise, but I will argue that I would rather have drew than any of the 'old man's idea of centers' that are being mentioned in trades. We are not having much of a problem keeping the other teams bigs from being an impact offensively. We are even getting enough rotation from our bigs to limit what the other teams guards can do.

my response:

I don't think that Drew has played Shaq or Yao this year. The last two years
he has been injured. Shaq is a *HUGE* shell of himself and according to the
numbers, he doesn't look better than moderately good. i.e. I no longer think
highly of Shaq.

Last year, Pau did the majority of work against the good centers because
Drew was injured for most of the year, and when he came back he was
hampered. Nene and Lopez [nets] are the only centers of quality Drew
has played against before Chicago. We know how he did in that one.

Perhaps we have a difference of opinion about the quality bigs that we have
played this season. Enlighten me. Who are the quality bigs we have faced?
Are you going to look at Amare & Channing Frye? Bierdini ? Chuck
Hayes???

re: limiting the other guards. We have two of the premier defensive players
in the league in Artest & Kobe. Our defense is *significantly* better than
last year and is because of Artest taking the load off of Kobe. We had an easy
home schedule and I do acknowledge that Drew & Lamar are better than
most 4/5 combinations that we have faced so far. I would tell you that we
haven't faced in *good* 4/5 combinations except for Denver & Chicago.
Do you disagree?

re: Drew being a star. Actually, I disagree. Let me be clear. Offensively,
Bynum has done reasonably well. *EVERYBODY* wants to do well offensively.
That's where average joe, who votes for the all-star game, sees them. To win
in June, we *NEED* defense & rebounds. Gasol played good/great defense
against Howard in the finals. Defense wins championships and almost every
champion says that. If a "relative" midget like Hayes is getting double
digits against our 7 footer, something is wrong! 3 rebounds! THREE REBOUNDS!!

My dead grandmother can do better! No, you don't get to see that unless you
have serious coin to spend.

You talk about Drew being the future of the franchise. Ok. Let's run with that
for a second. If Bynum continues to play mediocre defense, as he's done for
the last 3 years, and #24 is no longer on the Lakers, how will the Lakers win?
Who's our pg? Who's our sg? Who's our sf & who's our PF? Since, we're not
having a face to face, I'll run with my next thought and you can catch up.

The C is the last line of defense. He anchors the team defense. He *MUST*
get better or we will be in trouble. Kobe & Pau our highly skilled on offense
& defense. Drew is not. It is clear that he wants to be highly skilled on offense.
It is not clear that he wants to be highly skilled on defense. Defense is about
effort & that's what he hasn't shown.

re: "We're winning". Yes! Why? #24! Mr. "I'll run through a wall to win".
Sir "Are there any snipers in the auditorium?". Senior "let me go study with
Hakeem".

You also said this: Probably not, but if I was to ask a GOAT post player they would probably explain that the NBA is an offensive league, and just staying on top of penetrating guards is a pretty good way to win.

Lets back up a bit, try to be grateful that we have 3 great post players and we are the favorites for the title instead of being grateful that you are right and you want to make sure everybody hears your complaint and thinks 'yeah, that guy was right. Heck, i'm not even going to watch the games anymore, I'm just gonna let the complainers on the blog tell me how everything is going.

My response: Feel free to go ask *ANY* great player why the Lakers are
winning. They're 1st response will be: KOBE! They're 2nd response will be:
Phil Jackson. They're 3rd response will be: Pau Gasol! Please note that
a GOAT post player will address the whole game, and not the subset of which
you speak. How do I come to this conclusion? I read about Hakeem & Kobe.
I listened to Barkley, Reggie, & Kenny. I read what Bird said. I read what
Popovich said.Twice! I heard what Doc Rivers said. Have I made my point?

Actually, we have 5 post players don't we? Pau, Bynum, Artest, Lamar &
KOBE!!!

re: being grateful. It seems to me that earlier I said: "I'll take the win". Am I
mis-remembering or are your boxers twisted and you decided to put me in my
place?

re: being favorites for the title. Hmm ... We've been the favorites since we
got Pau Gasol, not since we signed Andrew Bynum. But help me understand
your point better. You're upset that *I* am upset because our 1st string 22 yr. old,
un-injured 7 footer got less rebounds than our 2nd string Pg & 2nd string sg?
[ Bynum 3. Farmar & Brown 4 combined ]

You're upset that *I* am upset that our starting PF publicly complained about
not getting touches, but has averged 17+ rebounds over the last 5 or 6 games
while our C's rebounds and points have dropped through the floor since Pau
returned?

You're upset that I still remember he went to Italy instead of working with
Kareem?

BTW, anyone who doesn't watch the games because of my posts is hardly
a true lakers fan are they? Also, I would consider them to be mentally
challenged. Why? KOBE BRYANT!!! I am a Lakers fan and I am proud
of all that they have achieved as a team. I like our players. Superstars
and pine riders alike. Love Mbenga & Sasha even though they rarely play.
Give props to the Spaniard! Artest. Nutty as a fruitcake!
C'mon now! Kobe! buzzer beater! broken finger! 1-legged 3-ptr!
Rippin' out hearts and crushin' spirits in primetime TV. Dude! People
in China and Italy are watching. THE ENTIRE UNIVERSE knows it's
coming and still it happens like the Sun rising in the East. If you're not
watching Kobe Bryant, do you really have a soul???

The MAGIC question which I don't recall anyone ever asking is WHO would be the ultimate point guard for The Triangle?


I will tell you who would be the topping on this cake: Ricky Rubio. Add this guy to the Lakers play and their offense would become (even more) a huge knife cutting through butter, on the other teams defense

considering that Minney has the rights for him and also John Flynn...an interesting trade could be achieved. that would also be like a smack in the face of the rest of the NBA teams. it would be laughable! (Im sure Minnesota can be "generous" as Memphis was 2 years ago....hehee)

Jon K, Great question! I'm not sure you would be wrong by saying our best option is Derrick Fischer. But if I had to choose someone other than Derrick, I would go with Chauncy Billups. A little taller, a little younger, a little better shooter, rebounder, a little more accurate 3 point shooter (average, not BIG SHOT). Can be a scorer when necessary. Plays 30 plus minutes.

Now granted, that's not taking into account the team chemistry we have with Fisher already. Secondly, how long would it take to learn the triangle? I remember we tried to incorporate Gary Payton and that didn't work very well. I guess what I'm saying is, who would we want as an "Ideal" if not Fisher. My choice then would be Chauncey.

A couple of observations about Bynum.

First, although I like the kid and think he will continue to improve, I don't believe he will ever be a great rebounder or defender. Alter shots? Yes. Scoop or snatch rebounds from a crowd? Never. The fact is he lacks several of the key abilities needed to be a great rebounder and defender, including: mental toughness, nose for the ball (think Kevin Love), foot quickness and leg strength/UPS (think UPS/Shannon), and the Kam Bros observation about positioning for flight of the ball. It ain't gonna happen. So let's appreciate his greatly improving offensive skills.

Second, he appears to need to be the Alpha Dog in our front line and recognizes that he ain't. When Pau is in there, he definitely becomes less aggressive. Beta dog, maybe even butt sniffer dog. Before Pau returned, Bynum was really starting to turn into a real force, both on offense and defense. After Pau returned, he has completely disappeared. Phil needs to take him aside and both stroke him and challenge him to become a force out there.

On a separate topic, Jon K's question of who would be the best point guard for the triangle is an intriguing one. Actually there are two separate questions here: (1) who is the best PG for THE triangle, and (2) who is the best PG for THIS triangle (i.e., Kobe, Pau, Bynum, Artest, Lamar). For the latter, I agree that it would be tough to find a better fit than Fish. Mature, unselfish, not intimidated by Kobe, understands his limited role. Yeah, "Fish and Dish" is definitely the best fit.

But now let's talk about THE triangle, say without a Kobe around. My choice in the current crop of guards out there would be Russell Westbrook. Sure you could make a case for a lot of other great guards (Kidd, Paul, Nash, etc.), but my choice would be someone who, in addition to passing and positioning his teammates, could seriously slash, attack the rim, and defend. I love Westbrook. In fact, he would be the ideal replacement for Fish, if there was any way Mitch could maneuver a package deal for him. Mitch, just do it.

Jon K,
" of all the point guards in the NBA (or college) who would best suit The Triangle?"

I don't think Fisher best suits The Triangle, per se, but I think that Fisher fits this particular roster about as well as anyone else could. To this point, his strengths have more than offset his weaknesses - I do think, though, that it is close to the time where his physical limitations are close to offsetting his strengths..

Salary cap question. The Lakers do not hold Shannon Brown's Bird Rights, correct? So, if Brown elects to try the free agent market, we would have to use a large chunk of our MLE to sign him? If that's the case, how in the world will the Lakers have enough $$$ to find a suitable PG upgrade in the summer? Doesn't it mean that the Lakers will inevitably have to re-sign Fisher and Farmar since we won't have any cap space (if we intend to re-sign Brown, which seems to be a no brainer)?

No doubt Bynum could use to hustle more, and just decide that he WANTS the rebounds more than anyone.

That said, his defensive responsibility as primary rim protector and rotator to protect against pick and rolls, and his responsibility to beat his man down on offense to establish good post position, do make rebounding a little tougher because he is moved away from the basket.

His defense is getting pretty good, with some lapses, and rebounding he needs to work on most. But he'll get there. In the meantime, the Lakers would be by no means the first team to leave primary rebounding responsibility to the guys at the 4, and let the center do other things (like rotate to block shots).

The best way to learn the trajectory of the ball for rebounding purposes that I've found is to just have a shooter or more than one shooter shooting shots while the rebounder anticipates two things: where the ball will hit the rim, and how the ball will react once it hits the rim.

Constantly watching, predicting, adjusting and doing it thousands of times a day, day after day, is a recipe for learning how to read shots coming in and accurately anticipating where the rebound can be had.

Once you get this far, then you have to add in the other variables - such as opposing players and gaining position on them; it's as much keep the opposition away as it is putting yourself where the ball will go.

The best anticpator in modern times, not surprisingly, was Dennis Rodman.

Rodman wasn't always such a rebounder - it was something he developed mid way through his pro career.

Could Andrew do something similar? Yes; he has to give himself a good 1 to 2 months of just working rebounding but do it heavily - he doesn't have the quickness to consistently grab 20 a game, BUT he makes up some of that with his size - put it together and I think the guy COULD (in theory) average 14 a game.

If you're not watching Kobe Bryant, do you really have a soul??? Posted by: hobbitmage | December 18, 2009 at 04:56 AM

OUT FREAKIN STANDING!!!

To say it with Kant, or Hegel: history repeats to the same patterns, but evolving from them to a more perfected reality, round after round. So we are the same: just better than last time. And we are getting better with every step more we take within the future.
And I don't feel listening to oldies: I feel listening to timeless greatness. Posted by: ZairaAmaterasu | December 18, 2009 at 02:15 AM

GOD WHAT A MAGNIFICENT POST!!! TRULY FAR BEYOND...OUT FREAKIN STANDING!!!

"We are the best team. As long as injuries don't destroy this evidence (and it seems even injuries can't really stop us at the moment) we are gonna win but it's not like we can expect a 20 points lead every game.

I don't even want it. I love the way Lakers twist with my mental sanity and heart power."

ZairaAmaterasu,

WOW! WOW! NONE on this blog have made as eloquent and true a statement as this. You are a poet! I am with you. Call me a disciple. I don't even want those 20 point blowouts either. I love how the Lakers twist with my mental sanity and hear power as well!

Then you said:

"Last game for me was really entertaining and really in the Lakers' style. If you are a Laker fan from a longtime, there's no way you don't see how history repeats, but in the shirling, ascending way."

SUBLIME! Bloggers take heed! It has been written. It has been said. History is repeating itself. Let's just sit back and enjoy!

--FEARless

ZairaAmaterasu, You got some serious man love here, I believe most of the Bball world appreciate what Kobe brings to the game.

ZairaAmaterasu,

"Enjoy the ride.
Be faithful.
Be confident."

Nice.

By the way, I love the ethics of Emmanuel Kant.

Anytime someone references Kant or Hegel on a sports blog, I know I'm in Laker Nation.

What do we play for? RINGS!!!

Lakers Today... Lakers Tomorrow... Lakers Forever.

GO LAKERS!!!!

Bynum's personal coach was the NBA's all-time leading scorer, not the all-time leading rebounder. Let's pony up some money and bring in personal coach Moses Malone...or Dennis Rodman.

I know it has already been said by many on this blog with level heads (and honestly, I didn't know there were so many sane people here), but the triangle offense naturally sends most rebounds to the 4 position.

Couple that with our defense's "show and recover" style, which means the 5 is often out of primary rebounding position when a shot goes up.

Sprinkle in the after affects of the two major knee injuries, which have robbed him of real, tangible explosion. Do we remember that when Drew first came in the league he used to jump high enough to put his elbow over the rim? Youtube it and you'll see. Andrew hasn't been that high off the ground in almost three years.

Plug all these factors into your calculating devices and it would seem that Drew is missing maybe 2 to 4 rebounds a night that should be rightfully his. Plus an additional 1 or 2 that he could "steal" from someone.

When taken into proper context, his rebound numbers aren't what the should be, but not by much. We should lay off of him and allow the game to come to him.

BTW, that is the same advice had to given to Kobe, remember?

--FEARless

CornerJ,

" My choice in the current crop of guards out there would be Russell Westbrook."

Hmmm... perhaps it is time to begin a Famar or Morrison trade for Westbrook bandwagon.

What do you think of a healthy Shaun Livingston?

That kid was amazing before he got hurt. Not really a scorer, but the way he sees the floor was astounding.

What do we play for? RINGS!!!

Lakers Today... Lakers Tomorrow... Lakers Forever.

GO LAKERS!!!!

Yinoma,

Let us put it this way, Shannon Brown is the least problem of the Lakers because he wants to play with the team, similar to Artest. Because of the Lakers, their personal stock or resume has increased by ten fold. Shannon alone can command a lot of endorsement with his exposures on You Tube. Artest became a better player or person eversince he signed with the Lakers. That's what Lakers can do for you. Eventually, the contract of Shannon will rise when all F/A have been solved.

We have three free agents at the end of the year namely: Fisher, Farmar and Morrisson. As usual, Mbenga and Powell are on yearly renewable contracts. Without any trade or any kind of moves, rest assured those contracts are on the way out. Now if you are a betting man, who would you retain for a lower contract and/or let go due to high salary demand & double in a luxury scenario? Among the 2nd unit of players, who are attractive for trades in 2010? Or perhaps, apply Mihm or Grant strategies in saving future $$$'s by renegotiating for a buy out and replaced them with an athletic draft pick or a Euro sharp shooter. Whatever moves that Mitch will undertake, it will be focused on cost savings in order to pay or re-sign our best players Kobe, Gasol for maximum years and possibly stay within the salary cap.

Are we in the market for mega players like Lebron, D'Wade, Bosh, Johnson, Amare, Boozer, TMac, etc. ? Hard to tell but I don't think the Lakers can afford the asking price of these guys. They should be the one willing to sacrifice (like Artest) by accepting an MLE and focus on getting a ring. Work out the lost difference from contracts of the mega market endorsements. It could be the Malone/Payton scenario.

Why will other teams be attracted to the Lakers bench players? Because the spoils that they may cut/trade are products of the Champs.

Apparently, Bill Plaschke got some good old-fashioned sense for Christmas. Don't use it all in one place, Bill!

http://www.latimes.com/sports/la-sp-plaschke18-2009dec18,0,6608868,full.column

hobbitmage,

"If you're not watching Kobe Bryant, do you really have a soul???"

Actually, it has been objectively proven that if you are not watching Kobe Bryant that you DO NOT have a soul.

Ergo, the eternal war between Laker Nation and the soulless masses continues: Mankind against the soulless automatrons who exist, but who do not truly live.

Salient point, my brother.

What do we play for? RINGS!!!!

Lakers Today... Lakers Tomorrow... Lakers Forever.

GO LAKERS!!!!

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JUST SAY NO TO PRINCESS JIMMY AS A LAKER - BANDWAGON
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(01) MAMBA24 - OWNER - NO, NO, A THOUSAND TIMES NO!!!!

CONSIDERING HOW LITTLE ORGANIZED BBALL BYNUM HAS PLAYED, give him time..

Blackbird singing in the dead of night
Take these broken wings and learn to fly
All your life
You were only waiting for this moment to arise

Black bird singing in the dead of night
Take these sunken eyes and learn to see
all your life
you were only waiting for this moment to be free

Blackbird fly, Blackbird fly
Into the light of the dark black night.

Blackbird fly, Blackbird fly
Into the light of the dark black night.

Blackbird singing in the dead of night
Take these broken wings and learn to fly
All your life
You were only waiting for this moment to arise,
You were only waiting for this moment to arise,
You were only waiting for this moment to arise

LOL on TNT the skit was on for best individual performance, and the Paul Pierce NBA Finals game was one of the nominations. Charlie and Kenny were dying of laughter saying how Pierce faked that injury and he didn't deserve to be in the category. Kobe is in two of those nominations, and so is Fisher, so everyone go and vote!

Posted by: jacqueline | December 17, 2009 at 10:53 PM

You take all of Fishers Finals performences and you add them together and you multiply by 30 and it doesnt equal Paul Pierce.

Actually, it has been objectively proven that if you are not watching Kobe Bryant that you DO NOT have a soul. Ergo, the eternal war between Laker Nation and the soulless masses continues: Mankind against the soulless automatrons who exist, but who do not truly live. Posted by: Jon K. | December 18, 2009 at 08:24 AM

DAMN JON K! OUT FREAKIN STANDING ALSO!!

Zaira,

"Hey, I'm born in 1985 but EVERY music lover, no matter which genre, gotta know and love the Beatles."

You are absolutely right, good music is universal attraction for all ages. I apologize.Perhaps, I was referring to teen age hysteria of the Beatles during the 60's and its influence to the succeeding rock bands all over the world. Today, when we listen to the Beatles, it brings up 45 years of memories of twist and shout, we were all standing there. Come to think of it, the Beatle age can be described by this line:

"Doing the garden, digging the weeds,
Who could ask for more?
Will you still need me, will you still feed me,
When I'm sixty-four?"

I don't think any of us, lakerfan, floyd, phred, wesjoe and including lakertom will ever admit we are there or nearing 64!!!! LMAO!

AK/BK,

I think it would be interesting if you could interview Hot Rod and get his take on who is the GLOAT. After all, he has seen everything up close and personal having been a frmer MN Laker, an LA Laker, a Laker announcer, and a 30-year Jazz announcer. Many of us have never seen Mikan, Baylor or West actually play except for a few Youtube highlights.

LAKERFAN HERES TO YOU:http://tinyurl.com/cxq24l


You take all of Fishers Finals performences and you add them together and you multiply by 30 and it doesnt equal Paul Pierce. Posted by: 131-92 | December 18, 2009 at 08:34 AM

Thats because Fisher is a MAN and it's hard for a man to act like a BIATCH!!

P. Atreides? The Paul Atreides?

Aren't you suppose to be precognitive? If you say Ricky Rubio, it must be true. Always thought DWilliams or DHarris would fit perfectly but hey, you're the God Emperor of the Universe. Can't argue with that.

Bynum's personal coach was the NBA's all-time leading scorer, not the all-time leading rebounder. Let's pony up some money and bring in personal coach Moses Malone...or Dennis Rodman.

Posted by: Marty | December 18, 2009 at 08:18 AM

Ive got a better idea ... Put a picture of a Playmate on the ball and I bet he will grab every rebound.

Edwin Gueco:

You wrote: "I don't think any of us, lakerfan, floyd, phred, wesjoe and including lakertom will ever admit we are there or nearing 64!!!! LMAO!"

Lets not rush to # 64, although it is imminent :)..

K Bros, Helin's look a Drew's rebounding woes in the Mil game was timely. Nice to see a real look at the issue as opposed to the long winded rants we get in the comment section.
If your posts are tedious beyond belief, do you really have a soul?

Good Morning Fam. I got into a short exchange with a VERY good friend of mine in regards to this statement: Kobe is better than Michael at this point.

Thoughts? I'd like to see everyone's input to this.

Regards,

Ive got a better idea ... Put a picture of a Playmate on the ball and I bet he will grab every rebound. Posted by: 131-92 | December 18, 2009 at 08:51 AM

ROFLMFAO!!! Now that was a good one 131!

you're the God Emperor of the Universe. Can't argue with that. Posted by: p ang | December 18, 2009 at 08:50 AM

You keep this up and neither of you will have another drop of The Spice.!!

Mamba24,

You KNOW I do not want Princess Jimmy in Purple and Gold.

Get me on that bandwagon, brother!

What do we play for? RINGS!!!!

Lakers Today... Lakers Tomorrow... Lakers Forever.

GO LAKERS!!!!

"You take all of Fishers Finals performences and you add them together and you multiply by 30 and it doesnt equal Paul Pierce."

That's right, we will take Fisher's contribution for 4 championships and relevance.

131-92,

"You take all of Fishers Finals performences and you add them together and you multiply by 30 and it doesnt equal Paul Pierce."

Wrong.

Paul Pierce gets scared and cries before the world when he really isn't hurt.

Derek Fisher's daughter undergoes cancer treatment, Derek has to experience that, gets on a plane, shows up DURING the game, and helps win the game.

Derek Fisher is THE MAN!!!!

Paula Pierce is a talented embarassment.

Derek Fisher = Four Rings.

Paula Pierce = One Ring.

Over.

What do we play for? RINGS!!!!

Lakers Today... Lakers Tomorrow... Lakers Forever.

GO LAKERS!!!!

AK/BK/The Snake,

"I think it would be interesting if you could interview Hot Rod and get his take on who is the GLOAT."

I agree. An interview with Hot Rod would be extremely enlightening.

The present is amazing, but we need to be constantly reminded of the importance of our history.

What do we play for? RINGS!!!!

Lakers Today... Lakers Tomorrow... Lakers Forever.

GO LAKERS!!!

Thats because Fisher is a MAN and it's hard for a man to act like a BIATCH!!

Posted by: MAMBA24 | December 18, 2009 at 08:47 AM

Fisher is a Man but Pierce is THE MAN.

131-92:

One minor correction, you wrote: "Bynum's personal coach was the NBA's all-time leading scorer"

FYI, Kareem is "still" the leading scorer :) for now!

P. Atreides, P Ang,

Ricky Rubio, you get me excited when I hear the name RR, it is synonymous to Rolls-Royce of point guards.

Now give me a low down, just how can we get Ricky Rubio without really trying or without any decent 1st round draft pick to trade? Como? Como esta Senor Atreides?

I can only think of one strategy through his 'paisano' Pau that Ricky will INSIST to T'Wolves or David Strearns that he will play in the NBA if he's given the freedom to choose which team to join. Don't mention the Lakers in order other teams will not protest to Congress and then, work it out silently for the trade of all 2nd unit up to Mbenga plus future draft picks except.... Shannon for RR. haha, what a beautiful dream.

If Rubio is here, Bynum does not have to rebound because it is swish not bricks. With Rubio and Kobe in the back court, Bynum does not have to defend in the low post because the opposing point guards will never reach the low post and ball is stolen from Kobe, Rubio and Artest. Bynum becomes a free man from all other troubles and concerns of Laker fans. He will just score, score and score like an uncontrollable beast & will no longer frown and smirk for every foul.

And the Lakers and its fans will live happily ever after.....by Disney Christmas Wish.

God ! I love this blog.

That's right, we will take Fisher's contribution for 4 championships and relevance. Posted by: Charles | December 18, 2009 at 09:01 AM

Sir Charles do I have to say it?...OUT FREAKIN STANDING!!!!

131-92:

One minor correction, you wrote: "Bynum's personal coach was the NBA's all-time leading scorer"

FYI, Kareem is "still" the leading scorer :) for now!

Posted by: lakerfan | December 18, 2009 at 09:10 AM

Lakerfan-

One MAJOR correction ... I DIDNT WRITE THAT!

FYI, I know that!

Fisher is a Man but Pierce is THE MAN. Posted by: 131-92 | December 18, 2009 at 09:06 AM

You're getting good there 131. But by "THE MAN" do you mean "The man" on the celtics among a bunch of Green Giant Lunatics, some of them bald?

JON K. YOU ARE ON FIRE TODAY!!!!!!

Welcome GUEST, I can see you are a very discerning individual and I applaud your taste in Blogs. The home of Two time Blog award winning Blog Gods Andrew and Brian Kamenetsky.

EDWIN GUECO don't think you will be left out my post you sir, are at one time inciteful, funny and educational. Kudos to you sir and keep on teaching these young Pups. LOl!

Mamba24

One MAJOR correction ... I DIDNT WRITE THAT! FYI, I know that! Posted by: 131-92 | December 18, 2009 at 09:33 AM

Good for you 131. I like your style sir. The name, not so much, but if you like it that's all that matters.
Mamba24

JUST SAY NO TO PRINCESS JIMMY AS A LAKER - BANDWAGON
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(01) MAMBA24 - OWNER - NO, NO, A THOUSAND TIMES NO!!!!

Ummmmmmmm - Mamba24??? You stole my bandwagon??? I posted that awhile back.....


But - you know what? I happily will co-own and co-drive that bad boy all over town with you. In fact - I would be honored to do so. Just don't wear your thong - it's cold outside.

A visitor doesn't like D-Fish? What's new? The guys probably known as one of the most annoying NBA players outside of LA. Its good to have him.

He's been integral part of Laker lore and order to the chaos that always surrounds the Lakers on and off the court. One of Phil Jackson's most trusted guards other than Kobe, Michael, Ron Harper, or Brian Shaw.

Don't like him? Good, that's his exact purpose.

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JUST SAY NO TO PRINCESS JIMMY AS A LAKER - BANDWAGON
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(01) JUSTANOTHERMAMBAFAN – OWNER - Ummmmmmmm - Mamba24??? You stole my bandwagon??? I posted that awhile back.....
(02) JON K. – DRIVER - You KNOW I do not want Princess Jimmy in Purple and Gold.
Get me on that bandwagon, brother!
(03) ZairaAmaterasu - True Kobe Believers simply don't consider LeBron fully worthy. That's it.
(05) MAMBA24 - - NO, NO, A THOUSAND TIMES NO!!!!

Don't like him? Good, that's his exact purpose. Posted by: #4 | December 18, 2009 at 10:14 AM
NOW THAT'S WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT!!!!

Don't like him? Good, that's his exact purpose. Posted by: #4 | December 18, 2009 at 10:14 AM
NOW THAT'S WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT!!!!

Charles- I say this as an admitted MJ hater when he played, MJ is GOAT. He just didn't have any holes in his game. Jerry West paid MJ what I think is the greatest complement I every heard someone give a player. West said, as good as people think he is, he is still underrated. That tells you how good West thought he was.

#4-

If Im the "visitor" you are referring to then you are mistaken. I dont care about Fisher one way or the other. All Im saying is that Paul Pierce is a much better NBA player.

If you dont agree with me then thats fine too. I will gladly listen to your argument. Please show me some stats or whatever you have that would possibly change my mind.

Please do not tell me Fisher has 4 rings. That is a lame reason. Its mainly used by people when nothing else is available. Its a great career accomplishment but isnt the only factor that determines who is better. It might be used as the tie breaker at times but I dont think there is a tie to be broken between Fisher and Pierce.

Adam Morrison has more rings then Karl Malone and Charles Barkley combined. Sasha has more rings then John Stockton. Any stat that you can say that about ... has serious flaws.

Derrick Fisher has made some of the most clutch shots of the last decade...

That includes in Utah as well...Paul Pierce is a very good player that was placed on a very bad team from the start..Every good player needs help and his arrived a couple of years ago.....Paul Pierce is more athletic and mobile than Fisher but for all of Fisher's short comings he makes up for them with know how and the ability to stay focused even if he has shot badly for the entire game...You cant teach that...

131-92, I wasn't calling you out; you are mistaken. You are one of the many visitors in many, many years that don't like Fish. I never brought up Paul Pierce, Chris Paul, or RuPaul. I don't know what any has to do with Fisher.

Sounds to me like you read too much into my statement. Its no biggie. If you don't respect Fisher's accomplishments, I hope you get to watch more basketball with an unbiased eye.

And honestly, since you are referencing Paul Pierce, I hope you understand how much respect I have for him as an LA kid and a guy that hasn't changed teams despite what the Celtics have gone through in his career. If I outlined that, you'd think I was a 'Celtic Hater'. I know we're rivals, but at this point, I feel nothing for them.

Thank you. I don't deserve any of your gently sweet praise. But I am happy if you see how true my passion for this game and this team is. That really matters a lot to' me. Thank you very much. Being here is inspiring.

Thank you. I don't deserve any of your gently sweet praise. But I am happy if you see how true my passion for this game and this team is. That really matters a lot to' me. Thank you very much. Being here is inspiring. - geez You Made me blush so much I even typed my nickname Wrong... Apologies. I can be such a dork ;)

ZairaAmaterasu,

No need to thank us. Does the Sun thank us for basking in its glow? Does a rose thank us for enjoying its sweet, sweet aroma?

No.

In is in their nature to be so great. As it apparently is in yours. You keep writing, I'll keep reading.

--FEARless

Its getting about time for the Lakers to tear the heart of another team right through their chest! I can't wait 'till game time.


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