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Just as the force was passed along from Yoda to Obi-Wan to Luke...

.... so goes the triangle from Tex Winter to Phil Jackson to Kurt Rambis.

Tonight welcomes the Clark Kent-guided Minnesota Timberwolves into town, and with that arrival comes theYoda-luke unbroken chain of learning a successful system from a successful teacher. Rambis runs Minny's show, and considering his roots as a PJ protege, it's no surprise to learn he's running a triangular game plan, especially while gifted with the rare luxury of "time" while reviving a struggling franchise. Why not run with what's worked? Besides, as we learned in Star Wars, shining tried and true lessons from learned ones can lead to epically disastrous results. (Darth Vader, I'm looking in your direction, pal!)

Beyond the systems in use, there are other similarities between the squads. Rambis' team features a center straight out of high school, booming with potential but plagued by injuries and accusations of defensive indifference. A power forward who's dealt with the "soft" tag.  From there, however, the immediate similarities cease, particularly in the "overall talent" and "experience" departments. The latter becomes a particular issue when it comes to the Lakers and Wolves' system, famous for its difficulty to grasp.

But don't cry too much for Rambis (or at the very least, shed tears without expecting Phil to ease up on his protege). He's relating well with his players, wardrobe malfunctions aside. He's also gotten used to the NBA All-Star logo culture shock of trading in flip flops for galoshes.  And while the Wolves may struggle to win twenty games this season, but the foundation for the future is solid. Even the uber-critical Charley Rosen would agree.  Dude could be in situations considerably worse (like, say, Chicago).

In other Laker news, with the first wave of ballots now accounted for, Kobe Bryant stands tops amongst all ballers with 692,518. The honor is well-earned (KB24 is, after all, Randy Hill's quarter pole MVP), but unfortunately diluted a touch by Tracy McGrady managing 281,545 as the next runner up. Sure, T-Mac has gone 21 games without a single turnover, which is very impressive. But I imagine that's due in part to roughly zero minutes played over those same games. Well done, Houston residents and Adidas loyalists. Well Done. (A "we're not worthy" is in order to Canis Hoopus for a brilliant zing on the matter.)

NBA NEWS

    -More often than not, Knicks fans get punked every time they show up to watch their team. But an improv troupe made that experience much more fun. Maybe those wacky thespians can put a smile on the face of Donnie Walsh, who's miffed over the NY scouts not zeroing in on Brandon Jennings.
    -I'm pretty sure we've seen this movie before, but for the time being, Stephen Jackson is fitting in nicley with his new squad.
    -Hardwood Paroxysm takes a look at... and it's hard to believe I'm typing this... San Antonio's declining defensive prowess.
    -Learn what Yao Ming has learned via one of my fave conceits from Esquire mag.
    -Corey Maggette is getting booed in the Bay Area.
    -Jarrett Jack is flexible like a (cooperative) gymnast.
    -ESPN's Daily Dime examines players soon eligible (and likely?) to be moved.
    -Is Von Wafer about to reenter the league? OH, GLORIOUS DAY!!!

AWESOME VIDEOS


    - A terrific sit-down (then accompanying article) between disgraced Tim Donaghy and TrueHoop's Henry Abbott, who's wielded a shovel like a methed-out gravedigger in an effort to get to the bottom of the rogue official's claims.
    -The Basketball Jones geniuses Skeets and Tas are out to prove they love all 30 NBA teams and don't play favorites.
   
AK

 
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.... so goes the triangle from Tex Winter to Phil Jackson to Kurt Rambis. A.K.

Damn it AK, I think I'm going to cry...OUT FREAKIN STANDING!!!

Repost

Kevin McHale on LBJ's dancing. Hoops World

May I have this dancer?

That’s how LeBron James and his Michael Flatley routine would have been adjudicated in the old-school NBA.

“If a guy was doing the Riverdance like that, coach would come over and say, ’Who’s got the fewest amount of fouls of my big fellas?’ " said ex-Celtic and TNT analyst Kevin McHale. "If you raised your hand, he would say, ‘We will let him drive and then we will throw him on the ground.’

“When he is laying there we would say, ‘Do you feel like dancing now?’

“And that pretty much solved the dancing problem.”

Speaking about the passing of the torch. I don't know if anyone has seen this side-by-side comparison of Jordan and Kobe's fadeaway.

http://tinyurl.com/ybwg9p4

"...Unbroken chain..."


More Grateful Dead references, AK? You've forced my hand, I'm throwing on Reckoning.


These Wolves will be scary good if all of their upward trends keep creeping...up. I'm not entirely sold on their back court or their bench, yet, but they play pretty well together and if they just keep running the triangle, they'll settle in about 2/3 of the way through the season. They're my sleeper pick to make the playoffs...next year.


There is no way Tracy McGrady should play in the All-Star game. Zero minutes + Silly Fan Voting = Bad PR move by the NBA. Yao should be voted on two, then the two of them could play each other on crutches or in wheel chairs (hey, those dudes can BALL). I just hope he doesn't get picked as a reserve.


I'd rather be in some Dark Hollow...

TRUST THE FORCE KURT
Many have claimed to have Laker Pride, but then were lured by the Dark Side
They didn’t let the Force be their guide, So now in victory they run in hide
Remember Mike T. and his Kwame Obsession, to all of you let that be a Lesson
Let them eat cake, well maybe so, But throwing the whole cake, No, No, No
Smush Parker had the Force behind him, But he let the lure of darkness Blind him
He didn’t realize the Force gave him his power, Now he’s working for $5.50 an hour
I don’t mean to make fun of the guy, just trying to give you the reason’s why.
The reason why the Lakers are so blessed a team, with 15 titles & counting, know what I mean
Yes we’ve been led by most of the best, from Pat Riley to the Icon Jerry West.
To a man they will all say, they were blessed when they became a Laker in the NBA.
An unseen hand guided their way and even Darth David Stern couldn’t make them stray
Now we have a new Yoda pupil, who’s that why of course Zen Master Phil
You think the Triangle Helps him to win, But no it’s the Force, another name for Zen
Now we have the return of the Prodigal son Rambis, The Dark Side is strong in Minneapolis
So tonight when he enters let this former Laker Know, he’ll always be a Laker wherever he goes
And if his dream with the Timberwolves should fail, Then let him know he should leave that Hell
Give Kurt a STANDING OVATION he served his time, And for us even got a Clothes Lined
Your Ovation will infuse his being with The Force, and one day he will return to The Lakers of Course
So that’s my poem from me to you, Kurt is a Freaking Laker for Life, May the Force be with you

“If a guy was doing the Riverdance like that, coach would come over and say, ’Who’s got the fewest amount of fouls of my big fellas?’ " said ex-Celtic and TNT analyst Kevin McHale. "If you raised your hand, he would say, ‘We will let him drive and then we will throw him on the ground.’“When he is laying there we would say, ‘Do you feel like dancing now?’
“And that pretty much solved the dancing problem.”Posted by: Charles | December 11, 2009 at 09:57 AM

Sir Charles is an Old School Enforcer...NOW THAT'S WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT!!

Obi-wa to Luke....you don't mean Luke Walton! How about Lando who will have his first broadcasting stint tonight.

I can't stand Kevin McHale, but I LOVE THAT COMMENT!

ex,

>>> Don't see how abstinence is BS - it limits a lot of problems, both physical and emotional,
>>> that sex at a young age can lead to.

I don’t disagree with the basic premise of your comment that many young people would definitely be better off postponing sex until they’re more mature and better able to deal with the complex feelings and emotions involved.

What I find to be politically, religiously, socially, and intellectually naïve and reprehensible however, is thinking that abstinence is some form of legitimate substitute for or alternative to properly teaching and educating young people about their sexuality, its relationship to love, and the need to protect themselves against unwanted pregnancies or sexually transmitted diseases.

I have no problem with teaching young kids abstinence. But as we saw with the Palins, it needs to be presented along with the basic sex education and social instruction young people need to function in today’s laissez faire society rather than in an atmosphere of naïve ignorance and religious bliss.

Tom

@ Mamba24
The Big Triangle will meet the "Minny" Triangle

@ justanothermambafan
Thanks for the reply. LBJ wouldn't dare that in our house. Besides the pictures he takes are cheap disposable shots while we are the digital Lakers...

"Kevin McHale on LBJ's dancing. Hoops World

May I have this dancer?

That’s how LeBron James and his Michael Flatley routine would have been adjudicated in the old-school NBA.

'If a guy was doing the Riverdance like that, coach would come over and say, ’Who’s got the fewest amount of fouls of my big fellas?’ ' said ex-Celtic and TNT analyst Kevin McHale. "If you raised your hand, he would say, ‘We will let him drive and then we will throw him on the ground.’

'When he is laying there we would say, ‘Do you feel like dancing now?’

'And that pretty much solved the dancing problem.'

Posted by: Charles | December 11, 2009 at 09:41 AM

Ah, come on, Charles. Are you actually citing an opinion by Kevin McHale just because you dislike Lebron's dancing? Kevin McHale? Ain't nothin right about that. I mean, if Lebron and Kevin McHale got in a fight, i'd be handing Lebron a folding chair and trying to distract the ref.

Also, where you this upset when Ronny Turiaf was dancing?

Zaira, nic cage- I think we ended up going on a pretty weird tangent for a basketball blog, but I think that while I don't agree with everything y'all said, you at least said it pretty well in the end. Props.

Triangle depends on the players implementing it not the Coach instructing how to do it. If you have scrubs doing it like Smush, Cookie, Kwame and the rest of the crew in '06 & '07, they can't do the triangle because they don't know how to measure, add and multiply, tho' they know how to subtract and divide the laker fans. Therefore, triangle makes life easier if you have the ability to score and defend.

I'm going to start a campaign to get Pau and Drew in the All-Star game as starters. Is that too greedy?

I think the puppet Yoda was a lot more convincing than the CGI Yoda. Does this sum up everything that was wrong with the prequel?

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"If it's man-to-man, I can be pretty effective," he said. "If they're double-teaming, I'm a pretty good passer off the post. It's just a matter of guys hitting open jumpers. Then they're going to have to change it up because we're hurting them that way. …

"I don't care either way. I'm going to try to read the defense and try to hurt them the way they decide to get hurt."

--Pau Gasol
-------------------------

Did someone call him Gasoft? Man, that quote there is cold. Black Mamba cold.

Pau, don't hurt them that way! It's inhuman!

ROTFLMAO!

--Fearless

I just looked that that trade list on ESPN. You know you're pretty well stacked when you wouldn't trade any of your players for the players on other teams that are available. You might be able to improve your talent at the end of your bench, but at what cost in terms of chemistry? I think we're set.

A better way to handle the dancing would be for all the Cavs opponents to start doing it. LeBron would quickly get the message.

@ Bruzer
Ditto home biscuit!

Gotta post this as teaser pre-game.

One of my girlfriends in the car bringing us to Courmayeur, on the Lakers legacy and the fact I will force them to wake up at 4.30 am tonight:

"Darn you, Miss Z.: is there anyone at least decently cute on the OTHER team to watch? Cos your Lakers might be the super best of the very best in the NBA, but not a single one of them looks half decent..."

OUCH.

I consider myself a fine esthete and in fact I dig beauty a lot (yeah, I know, I'm shallow and airheaded... NO. Just honest I guess...), but so far I never really considered the ONLY minus in Laker Land is the overhall *hot* factor.

I'm watching the players.
Okay.
Gotta admit it.
How my eyes could be blinded from reality?
We're not hot. (My eyes gaze at the beauty of the game we play: that explains why I never cared about other kind of beauty in our players... I actually think Trevor A. was the only cute guy in our team back in past years...)

Now ESPN can build a tirade based on real factors: they can't bash us for game related thing, but they could prevent us from getting the crown of hottest squad in the game regarding beauty.

I'm sure LeBronze "I so love myself" James is gonna be happy at least about it.

He's cuter than Kobe. Forever his only plus confronted against THE GOD.

Happy, Lebron? I'm sure you are.

Seriously... as a female (or a gay male, it's equal to me) do you think my friend is right and that we are among the ugliest looking team in the NBA? I am surprised at the way I CANNOT JUDGE IT.

It's like... I can't.

Gotta think we are just a DIFFERENT kind of beauty. Our perfect game deserves that at least.

*sigh*... Now I will use the game tonight to analyze if we are really ugly. I know I will. Not fair. NOT fair. NOT FAIR...

Give Kurt his ring and also our blessings for happy holidays in a freezer.

No bandwagons, no fraternizing with the enemy, Lakers should carry the mantra of not giving up the winning record just to please an ex asst. coach. Before thinking of 79-3 record which is far fetched and too ideal, how about go with what is achievable. Beat the 33 wins consecutively by the '73 Lakers, we're now 10 wins and and 24 more wins to go. Next record is 72 wins by Chicago Bulls and finally repeat on our own home court.

Mamba- you are in top form today. good work.

You know the problem of Tiger, not his sexual transgressions, not abstinence...his tiger got caught in the rough and could'nt extricate his balls or put it back in the fairway. If you were not aware of what Tiger was doing, was there any problem?

I think Jack Niclaus got it right, it no one's business to tell Tiger what to do and what to be? We got hooked with his golf prowess now we wanted his sexual peccadilloes too.

@ phred
You're looking way too much into it.

Morning....

Ummm....Last night i witnessed a master class...The person running that class was DERON WILLIAMS....I want this guy to be a Laker......

What a Performance...They had the Jazz down by 12 and then the show started..

As for the Wolves..Sessions should be starting instead of Flyn...His body moves quicker than his mind and they need a guard who can control that..Flyn cant..

Jamie Sweet...I agree man,this team with Love Jefferson,Brewer and Sessions can be very good....They need a 2 guard....Trade the rights to Rubio or let him come over and move Sessions or Flyn and let Rubio start running....

They made 1 mistake in the draft...TYREKE EVANS would have made this team very good already...

You know the problem of Tiger, not his sexual transgressions, not abstinence...his tiger got caught in the rough and could'nt extricate his balls or put it back in the fairway. If you were not aware of what Tiger was doing, was there any problem?Posted by: Edwin Gueco | December 11, 2009 at 10:
Stop IT, Stop It Now! hahahahahhaah!

Phred,
Yoda was a puppet?

Mamba- you are in top form today. good work.
Posted by: phred | December 11, 2009 at 10:46 AM

Thank you phred, sniff, sniff. For the second time today I think I'm going to cry.
Mamba24

Thirty two,

I hear ye...I hear Rubio. That's the missing angle of the Lakers triangle for dynasty. If you have Rubio at point, Kobe on 2 and Bynum or Pau on 5 pheww step aside and just watch the triangulation for many many years.

We got the legacy of Jerry West in giving us Pau after he left the Grizz' by just telling Mr. Hershey what is good for his franchise. Can Kurt deliver that legacy to his mother ship? Rubio man, package Fisher, Farmar, Luke, Sasha, Ammo, Powell and Mbenga. We just need one player who is not even in Wolves uniform.

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MAKE PAU & DREW STARTERS IN THE ALL-STAR GAME – BANDWAGON
*
(01) OPHELIA – OWNER - I'm going to start a campaign to get Pau and Drew in the All-Star game as starters. Is that too greedy?
(02) MAMBA24 – DRIVER – No it is not to greedy. Make it so Darth Stern.
(03) FEARLESS - Did someone call him Gasoft? Man, that quote there is cold. Black Mamba cold.
Pau, don't hurt them that way! It's inhuman!
*
WELCOME BACK KURT RAMBIS – BANDWAGON
*
(01) JOHNNYP – OWNER - When PJ steps down Rambis' experience with the triangle and coaching will serve us well.
(02) ZAIRA AMATERASU – DRIVER - Kurt is a Laker Forever, ain't he? :))
(03) FEARLESS – Welcome Back Rambis
(04) #4 - I'd rather see Phil leave after about 3 championships, & let Rambis take over after Minnesota.
(05) JAMIE SWEET - Put me on the Welcome Back Cotter, er Kurt bandwagon, please, as 'Wear some funky glasses.'
(06) MAMBA24 – Good to have you back Kurt!
(07) JUSTANOTHERMAMBAFAN - Tell him to run that funky offense (white boy) while wearing them funky glasses!! It sure will be good to see him get his ring tonight - hoping they air it on the telly of course...
(08)

Phred,Yoda was a puppet? Posted by: exhelodrvr | December 11, 2009 at 11:14 AM

Yes he was a Puppet to the ambitions of a fiendish man named Darth G. Lucas. But thanks to The Force & Bernie Madoff he's now living on easy street.
Mamba24

@ exhelodrvr

It must have been Jim Henson's finest work.

Zaira- true beauty lies within. Especially within Kobe’s fadeaway jump shot. Also ask your friends if they watch Jimmy Kimmel live at all.

Charles- nah, man, would I do that?

Ex- um, nah man, he’s a little green jedi dude. He’s real and everything. And Darth Vader isn’t really related to Luke, Santa Claus really does come the houses of millions of good boys and girls, and Bambi’s mom is fine.

Old Yeller? Yeah, the kid shot that dog. Sorry.

I don’t know, I feel as if I’ve been off my game for the last few days. This sort of crisis occurs to me every couple of decades. You guys would tell me if I was losing my rapier sharp wit and everything, right?

“phred has rapier sharp wit?’

‘Um, I don’t know man, I always thought he was sort of confused… wait, does this mean he’s been trying to be funny for all these years? Whoooah.

[Keanu style] “whhooooah indeed, dude. Whoooah.

[Pauly Shore] ‘that’s like, whoooah, man.

[Joey Lawrence]; ‘Man, we suck. Oh wait, I mean whooooah.’

THE LOVE BLAMES LUKE, BUT IS TRYING TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO WATCH THE GAME AND LISTEN TO THE GAME ON THE RADIO TONIGHT, SOMETHING WHICH IT HAS NOT SERIOUSLY TRIED TO DO SINCE CHICK WAS AROUND.

IT IS ALL ABOUT THE LOVE

GO LAKERS!

Yes you would phred.

outro

*come to. right. sorry for the c... i mean, mix up.

IT IS ALL ABOUT THE LOVE
Posted by: phred | December 11, 2009 at 11:47 AM

Yes, Much Love in that phred one. KobeWan taught him well he did. But he must come back and complete his training.

The song by the Basketball Jones people omit one team.

The Clippers.

Wow, no respect is right. LOL

LA Lakers 2009 NBA Champions

@ charles : - P

TO K BROS OR ANYBODY ELSE

It actually has been a while since I tried to get a lakers radio broadcast online. Assuming league pass works for anything tonight i can get either the tv or the radio coverage of the game but not both, and i wanted to listen to luke's commentary.

Does 710 do online streams of their broadcast, and if not, who does?


Who's hot or not and Yoda jokes.... that's how good these Lakers are.

Personally, I never understood why a wise 900 year old, who's hard wired to the force never took the time to figure out where the verb goes in a sentence.


It seems kind of wrong to mention McHale on the day Rambis comes back to town.
Hopefully, his ring ceremony ends up better than the last one.
I haven't really seen K Love since he left UCLA. It should be interesting to see him v. Pau.

Edwin I agree man...not sure what it would take for pick five...

Zaira- I think Kobe is good looking. Have you ever seen him on the cover of Italian men's vogue it was this past November or in GQ magazine this year. He looks really good. I forgot what designer said Kobe has amazing cheek bones which he does. Also he looks really good on cover of complex magazine. Sasha is good looking and I guess Luke could be considered good looking. Jordan faar is cute. I know a lot of people make fun of his ears but he has a nice face. I know girls that have crushes on Shannon brown. Trevor was a crush of mine too.

Lebron is not cute; lebron puppet is really cute though.

mamba24 says:
"Smush Parker had the Force behind him, But he let the lure of darkness Blind him
He didn’t realize the Force gave him his power, Now he’s working for $5.50 an hour"

Smush had the Force behind him? I thought he was the JarJar Binks of the NBA.

Lakers are not the ugliest team by far in the NBA. Shannon brown, kobe, luke, jordan, sasha are pretty cute. While Trevor was the cutest to me as well, the lakers have a bunch of guys who girls throw themselves on to lol.

LeBron's dancing and photo gimmick thing is beyond annoying.

The only problem is that if a scrub player leveled him after one of his stupid dance routines is that David Stern would suspend the guy for a couple months.

What do we play for? RINGS!!!!

Lakers Today... Lakers Tomorrow... Lakers Forever.

GO LAKERS!!!!

Mamba24,

Please put me on the Welcome Back Kurt Bandwagon (which should have the theme music from "Welcome Back Kotter.") I wish Kurt luck, just not against us.

What do we play for? RINGS!!!!

Lakers Today... Lakers Tomorrow... Lakers Forever.

GO LAKERS!!!!

Zaira- I think Kobe is good looking. Have you ever seen him on the cover of Italian men's vogue it was this past November or in GQ magazine this year. He looks really good. I forgot what designer said Kobe has amazing cheek bones which he does. Also he looks really good on cover of complex magazine. Sasha is good looking and I guess Luke could be considered good looking. Jordan faar is cute. I know a lot of people make fun of his ears but he has a nice face. I know girls that have crushes on Shannon brown. Trevor was a crush of mine too.

Lebron is not cute; lebron puppet is really cute though.

Posted by: Laila | December 11, 2009 at 12:25 PM

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I heard of chick flicks but chick blogs???

JK have fun ;-))

Glad to see some agree on statement I made a few days back about Laker pg of the future should be Rubio.

I bet Corey wishes he would have stayed a Clipper. He wouldn't be booed there.

Go Clippers!!!

GO LAKERS!!!!

You can't discuss the relative attractiveness of NBA players without bringing up the fact that the all-time ugliest team was the Celtics of the mid-late 80s.

Just to cleanse your palate/use as a reference point.

Beat Kurt and his triangle! Don't forget Celtics is on our tail with 9 straight wins. No time to be soft with a friend or an enemy.

I want 11-0 streak alive and kickin.

It was actually the 71-72 Lakers that won 33 games in a row. That was mythical, longest winning streak in professional sports history.
IMHO that is one of the most untouchable records in pro sports. I don't think you can even talk about that though until they get to 20. Twenty seems doable if they get past Utah on Saturday. I think Utah plays a lot harder Saturday, and we'll be coming off of a back to back. When is the last time we got close to twenty? It seems like the Kobe/Shaq/Payton/Malone team got close, but I can't remember.

Smush had the Force behind him? I thought he was the JarJar Binks of the NBA. Posted by: Scott | December 11, 2009 at 12:28 PM

Stop it Scott, Stop it. hahaha, You see that is what happened to that one when he deserted The Force. It did. let that be a lesson to you young -ling. lOL!
mAMBA24

Just the other day the Lad and I decided that we have the answer to Kobe’s unbelievable abilities. He has an off-the-charts b-ball midi-chlorian count. See, now it makes perfect sense.

Mamba24,
Please add me to both bandwagons. Oh and “KobeWan” – NICE.

Laila to Zaira: “Sasha is good looking…”
Oh Laila, don’t even go there with Zaira. Sasha is dead to Zaira.

Zaira,
Who cares if they are eye-candy or not? The beauty is in the game they play as a team. Imagine a team of GQ models: it would be like a bunch of Homer Simpsons. D’oh, d’oh, d’oh.

A dopo,
Lass

Odd Question: Anyone knows why Portland is called "Rip City?"

What do we play for? RINGS!!!!

Lakers Today... Lakers Tomorrow... Lakers Forever.

GO LAKERS!!!!

@ phred :)

phred,

Lakers radio casts are always free via Audio League Pass. Just open scoreboard on ESPN or NBA.com and click Listen for any game that is currently playing. That will take you to a list of all the games where you can choose home or away broadcast.

Tom

AK,

So, with Von Wafer being signed by Memphis, should we now consider the Grizzlies our number one challenge to winning the Western Conference?

What do we play for? RINGS!!!

Lakers Today... Lakers Tomorrow... Lakers Forever.

GO LAKERS!!!!

phred

nba.com has all the radio/audio games for free live. or it did. u have to sign up and click and enjoy!!!!!!!!

exhelodrvr is totally right.

Eighties Celtics are clearly known for being the ugliest team of all time. I'd also argue they were one of the whiniest teams of all time.

I think Ron was just being Ron when he made the statement about the Lakers being ugly.

Zaira,

I find your discussion about the attractiveness of the Lakers to be kind of strange.

I think there is a weird urge in our society to expect successful people to also be better looking. Personally I find it difficult to watch shows like "CSI" and "Boston Legal" where a bunch of cops and lawyers (respectively) all look like super-models.

How is that believeable?

Why does the greater public find such representations to be desireable? I don't get it.

What do we play for? RINGS!!!

Lakers Today... Lakers Tomorrow... Lakers Forever.

GO LAKERS!!!!

Laila, I would have to absolutely concur that Kobe is a def cutie. To me, he looks quite exotic.. def model material if he ever wanted to go that route!


LeBron cannot touch Kobe as far as looks are concerned..If LeBron didn't have deep pockets he would be considered busted!

Jon K

"Personally I find it difficult to watch shows like "CSI" and "Boston Legal" where a bunch of cops and lawyers (respectively) all look like super-models.

How is that believeable?"

I agree. This is one of my pet peeves about TV, movies to some extent also. Every street hooker portrayed on TV tends to look like a super model. Hard to believe they all look that good.

Okay, all this "who's cute on the Lakers" thing is getting kind of funny.

I know Zaira doesn't actually care; she has too much appreciation for the game. And I was really agreeing that she shouldn't care.

But she's definitely got a bunch of us going. lol.

(Gads, I really should be working, but I'm enjoying the end of the week silliness.)

Lass

Re: tonight's game - has there ever been an NBA game where both teams use the triangle? I guess it would have had to have been the Bulls coached by Tim Floyd against the Lakers coached by Phil?

Haha, I just read my own sentence "would have had to have been".. CLUNK!

ex - today's Thuggets are giving that Celtic team a fun for their money.

oops - a RUN for their money! (It's too cold in here - can't type straight.)

As a tribute to the upcoming all-star game, I present the 2009-2010 all ugly team:

PG - Delonte West
SG - Hedo Turkolu
PF - Al Jefferson
SF - Lebron James
C - Chris Kayman

Coach - Mike Dunleavy Sr.
Asst. Coach - Patrick Ewing

thanks, ouch, Tom. I'll give it a shot.

Jon K- yes, I do, or at least one version of the story. why?

In opinion, the all time ugliest team is a tie between the 2001-2002 sacremento kings and whatever team sam cassell is on at any given moment.

And it's not entirely related, but how come the Lebron puppet looks more like lebron than lebron, but the kobe puppet looks nothing like kobe? I don't get it, but I suppose it's too late to change now.

"And it's not entirely related, but how come the Lebron puppet looks more like lebron than lebron, but the kobe puppet looks nothing like kobe?"

Phred, that's not what gets me, it's their voices: Kobe's puppet voice sounds nothing like his real voice, but LBJ's is fairly close. Makes you wonder doesn't it?

Haha, I just read my own sentence "would have had to have been".. CLUNK!

Posted by: dave m | December 11, 2009 at 02:13 PM

the funny thing is, i never even noticed, but i understood exactly what you meant. English has a beautiful ugliness to it sometimes, unlike sam cassell.

tonight 2 teams r playing the triangle offense. each triangle will be oriented in a different diraction.

will this be the Jewish Star game?

or the Star of David (Stern)?

maybe his absolute favorite "Game".

on this note i'm running out to get my kosher wine to celebrate.

i never make lists, but;

PG- Sam Cassell, backup Mike Bibby
SG- Doug Christie, backup Sam Cassell
SF- Scottie Pippen, backup Hedo Turkoglu
PF- Dennis Rodman, backup Charles Barkley, just to piss him off
C- Chris Andersen, backup Chris Kaman.

'You have Sam Cassell on there twice.'

'Yeah, he's really ugly.'

And in a special recognition, i will yell 'Candygram for Mongo!' every time Al Jefferson or Kevin Love is dunked on tonight, just to hit my 'two blazing saddles reference is one post' obligation.

Oh yeah, coach Greg Popovich.

OK, gang. Enough levity. I'm anxious about tonight. (1) It's a trap game. (2) I don't want the Lakers throwing Clark Kent a bone for sentimentality's sake.

We've won ten in a row against good teams and bad. The T-Wolves are among the latter. A solid spanking is in order. Nothing less will do.

A 30 point Lakers victory is in order tonight. Bring on the beat-down. Go Lakers!

Phred, Ex:

You could tell Yoda was a puppet by the way he rode on Luke's back, which is why I have a theory that Kristen Stewart in Twilight was also a puppet. And it was kind've a dead giveaway when she said, "Sparkly skin he has." Sounded just like Frank Oz...

justanothermambafan,
"ex - today's Thuggets are giving that Celtic team a fun for their money."

It's always dangerous to compare ugliness across eras. You hsould really only compare the separation in ugly quotient the great teams had over their contemporaries.

But I think it's safe to say that Kenyon Martin could hold his own at any point in the NBA's history.

phred - yes, but 'sam i am' is a cartoon figure and transcends ugly. btw, he's an asst. coach for the wizards now... earplugs in high demand during timeouts.

Not trying to be chauvinist but usually when women watch any sports game and start talking about who is ugly, good looking or whatsoever means that they don't care about the game itself at all and are trying find alternatives not to get bored while husbands, friends or boyfriends are instensively watching the game. Props to Zaira for being 100% focus on the game. Don't lose your mind tonight watching our guys!!


Mamba if its not too late... please add me to the Twin Towers All Star Bandwagon and also welcome Kurt Rambis bandwangon (We want his stylish glasses back!)


Jon K, This is what I found on the net...

QUOTE
"The nickname Rip City is usually used in the context of the city's NBA team, the Portland Trail Blazers.
The term was coined by the team's legendary play-by-play announcer Bill Schonely.
Bill Schonely was the first play-by-play announcer for the Portland Trail Blazers of the NBA.
He began in the team's inaugural season in 1970.
Schonely coined several phrases that became synonymous with the Blazermania phenomenon in Oregon, including "Rip City", "Bingo Bango Bongo", "Climb the golden ladder", "Lickety brindle up the middle", and "You've got to make your free throws."

UNQUOTE


Marty- well yeah, that is one way to tell. It's not as fun as believing that there are little green wizened dudes with magical powers wandering around, but it is one way.

ganapia- nope, that's pretty chauvinist. I mean, i'm sure the laker girls are just around cause guys won't watch basketball otherwise, right?

Rick- if we lose tonight, it's not a trap game, it's a suspension of the physical laws by which the universe itself is governed. That, or the whole team just got cheeseburgers shipped in from a hotel in sacremento.

my other thought was in reference to the fleeting reference to how our society might falsely correlate attractiveness with talent in other areas (Susan Boyle being the exception that proves the rule, yes?), I think the NBA offers an interesting counterexample. As opposed to the news and entertainment media, popular music, politics et al, the NBA has a nice, more representative population of either 'normal' looking or flat out ugly people.

Arguably, this means that when that much competition and money is involved people will make physical attractiveness much less of a factor in their decisions.

The really odd thing about this is that people actually seem to consider looks more of a factor when they choose their political leaders, at least in my observation, which may or may not correspond to anybody else's. Does this imply that we care less about the laws that actually control our lives than we do about the guys on our favorite sports team?

This seems odd. On the other hand, nobody can argue that we are shallow when it comes to selecting our Jedi masters. Now that is a group with some serious fugliness going on.

AK- thanks for abstaining (ha!) from trying to find an nba coach who is analogous to Liam Neeson.

Phred,

I refuse to acknowledge that the second trilogy even happened. haha

AK

I just looked that that trade list on ESPN. You know you're pretty well stacked when you wouldn't trade any of your players for the players on other teams that are available. You might be able to improve your talent at the end of your bench, but at what cost in terms of chemistry? I think we're set.

Posted by: BRUZER | December 11, 2009 at 10:31 AM

And you know you are super stacked when you wouldnt trade any of your players for the available players on the Lakers!

AK- what second trilogy?

I'm loving this thread. Vey funny stuff. And Rick, you got it wrong. More levity, not less.


The problem I have with the final 3 produced Star Wars films is two fold. Yes, I lament the move from miniatures and bigatures to almost exclusively CGI effects, but I'm really dismayed by the old man hairdos all the characters sport starting with the Phantom Menace. Am I the only one to notice this? It's a terrible, JC Pennies catalog look. What's worse is when I saw George Lucas on some talk show, I realized that the haircuts aren't just old man hairdos, they're George Lucas hairdos. The lot of them.


Now that is an egregious abuse of power.


Wes

And let me say this. The early Lucas film THX 1138 really a quality film. I just saw it and loved it. I bought in to the ending big time, and found it profoundly moving. What kind of world are they living in, tunnels? Some people don't like the newly added special effects, but having never see the film without them, I loved it all.


(spoiler alert...deep question about the end of THX...WARNING!)

What I want to know, is what kind of future are they living in that forbids them from going to the surface? When Robert Duvall finally approaches the opening, the robot police turn away in fear. What are they scared of? Notice, next to Duval's silhouette in that giant sun, we also see a bird fly by. So we know the outside world sustains life. Hmmm.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4RTRKQkoQHg&feature=related


Wes

Wes - "they're George Lucas hairdos" - hi-larious!

Rick - I know what you mean about tonight... I think (and hope)this edition of the Lakers has turned a corner when it comes to the bad team letdowns of the past. It'll be interesting watching two opposing triangles.

Marty - special kudos for breaking the Kristen Stewart puppet story.

"Phred,

I refuse to acknowledge that the second trilogy even happened. haha

AK"

And everyone knows Han.Shot.First!

Tiger is getting a rest from all the hoopla, there goes golf ratings out of the window and so with the South land courses. In the last 10 years, golf became a byword sport because of Tiger's consecutive winnings. Last year, when he got injured couple by the recession, there were plenty of tee time available and also cheaper. I wonder what will happen to golf when the No. 1 draw takes a bow. He can be replaced by Michelson and other young up and coming golfers but the euphoria of Tiger during Sundays Pro Golf is just irreplaceable.

VW is coming back to NBA, the favorite of Andy K, Van Wafer. Chances are, he would land in Memphis. Now, there are decent players who are available by next week for trade. What do you think of this list, Mitch?

• Atlanta Hawks: Mike Bibby, Jason Collins, Zaza Pachulia, Joe Smith and Marvin Williams

• Boston Celtics: Marquis Daniels, Glen Davis, Rasheed Wallace and Shelden Williams

• Charlotte Bobcats: None

• Chicago Bulls: Lindsey Hunter and Jannero Pargo

• Cleveland Cavaliers: Jamario Moon, Anthony Parker, Leon Powe and Anderson Varejao

• Dallas Mavericks: Drew Gooden, Jason Kidd, Shawn Marion, Quinton Ross, James Singleton and Tim Thomas

• Denver Nuggets: Chris Andersen, Anthony Carter and Johan Petro

• Detroit Pistons: Ben Gordon, Charlie Villanueva, Ben Wallace and Chris Wilcox

• Golden State Warriors: Mikki Moore and C.J. Watson

•Houston Rockets: Trevor Ariza

• Indiana Pacers: Dahntay Jones, Solomon Jones, Josh McRoberts and Earl Watson

• Los Angeles Clippers: Steve Novak

• Los Angeles Lakers: Ron Artest, Shannon Brown and Lamar Odom (untouchables)

• Memphis Grizzlies: Marcus Williams

• Miami Heat: Joel Anthony and Jamaal Magloire

• Milwaukee Bucks: Carlos Delfino, Ersan Ilyasova and Hakim Warrick

• Minnesota Timberwolves: Ryan Hollins and Ramon Sessions

• New Jersey Nets: None

• New Orleans Hornets: Ike Diogu and Sean Marks

• New York Knicks: None

• Oklahoma City Thunder: Kevin Ollie

• Orlando Magic: Matt Barnes, Brandon Bass, Adonal Foyle, Marcin Gortat and Jason Williams

• Philadelphia 76ers: Primoz Brezec, Rodney Carney and Royal Ivey

• Phoenix Suns: Channing Frye, Grant Hill

• Portland Trail Blazers: Andre Miller

• Sacramento Kings: Sean May

• San Antonio Spurs: Malik Hairston, Marcus Haislip, Antonio McDyess and Theo Ratliff

• Toronto Raptors: Jarrett Jack, Rasho Nesterovic and Hedo Turkoglu

• Utah Jazz: Paul Millsap and Ronnie Price

• Washington Wizards: Fabricio Oberto
9. Two Exceptions To (Above) Rule


Iverson
There are a further 26 players who were signed as free agents after Sept. 15, meaning that Dec. 15 comes too soon and that they are not eligible to be traded until three months from the day they signed have elapsed. They are:

• Hawks: Othello Hunter (Dec. 28)

• Bobcats: Raymond Felton (Dec. 22), Flip Murray (Dec. 25) and Stephen Graham (Dec. 28)

• Bulls: Aaron Gray (Dec. 22)

• Cavaliers: Coby Karl (Dec. 28)

• Nuggets: Joey Graham (Dec. 26)

• Pistons: Chucky Atkins (Dec. 28)

• Pacers: Luther Head (Dec. 17)

• Clippers: Brian Skinner (Dec. 16) and Kareem Rush (Dec. 25)

• Grizzlies: Jamaal Tinsley (Feb. 14)

• Heat: Shavlik Randolph (Dec. 28) and Carlos Arroyo (Jan. 12)

• Timberwolves: Sasha Pavlovic (Dec. 17) and Jason Hart (Dec. 28)

• Knicks: Nate Robinson (Dec. 22), Marcus Landry (Dec. 25) and David Lee (Dec. 22)

• Suns: Jarron Collins (Dec. 28)

• Trail Blazers: Juwan Howard (Dec. 17)

• Kings: Ime Udoka (Feb. 4)

• Spurs: Keith Bogans (Dec. 23)

• Raptors: Pops Mensah-Bonsu (Dec. 17 after Toronto claimed him on waivers from Houston)

• Jazz: Wesley Matthews(Dec. 28)

• Wizards: Earl Boykins (Feb. 11)

Marty- what is ‘twilight?’ Does that have something to do with this Tiger Woods guy? Man, I can’t keep track of you young people and your hoppin and your boppin and your whahain and your whasapin for schizzle. Somebody get me my warm sweater and a big bowl of jello, I’m going to bed.

I’m watching me the philly-houston game. It’s actually the right game on league pass, hope that’s a good sign. Thoughts on the game- I haven’t watched much sixers before iverson got there, but he seems to have a bit left, it looks like he’s helping a lot on offense, giving them another threat. On defense, he doesn’t seem to be doing much of anything, but he’s there. Elton Brand is not looking like the old Elton Brand, he’s looking like an old Elton Brand. Carl Landry is very underrated, Scola is good, Trevor Ariza is not worth more than he’s making, and Aaron Brooks is still awesome.

Oh yeah, the philly home commentators are complete tools.

Wait- the people on Boston Legal are unconvincingly good looking? Who, Shatner or James Spader?

Boston had a winning streak of 19 games last year and Houston had a 21/22(???)game winning streak the year before. The Lakers just need to continue to play tough defense on the road, execute their offense and utilize their size advantage. A little luck along the way helps as well because every streak involves a little bit of luck.

West & Dave,

Speaking of George Lucas and haircuts, one of my best friends is an 87-year old Marin Country bass player and barber extraordinaire named Thorneycroft, who has cut my hair for over 30 years. Back in the early 70’s when George was first starting out, Tommy ran Thorneycroft’s Tonsorium in an alley across from El Paseo in downtown Mill Valley, with live jazz and 2 young hot chicks also cutting hair. For over 20 years, we shared a joint above the shop before Tommy would cut my hair. And of course, one of his long-time customers was George, who was an extremely quiet and nerdy guy who loved his mullet. I remember him telling me to be sure to watch his new sci-fi flick. Rest is history. So Marin!

P.S. George still gets his hair cut by 1 of those 2 hot chicks from Thorneycroft’s Tonsorium. She goes to him now though. And Tommy just cut my hair this afternoon – after a smoke around the corner. Life changes and life doesn’t. Be good to see Kurt and Kevin Love tonight. Time for Drew to put on a real campaign to make sure he makes the All-Star team 25-15-5 would be great. Notice that when you look at Amare’s stats or Kaman’s stats that none of these guys has to share points and boards with the best shooting guard and power forward in basketball. Drew’s numbers mean more because they came on the Lakers = not the Suns or Clippers. No way the coaches could leave Drew OR Pau off that team.

Tom


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