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Andrew Bynum keeps fading

Bynum After last night's loss in Phoenix, the Lakers have now played 19 games this season with both Andrew Bynum and Pau Gasol in the lineup, and Bynum's numbers have steadily declined since Gasol's return.

Granted, with two seven-footers on the floor, the number of touches Bynum would get and his rebounding figured to dip--but it's been more dramatic than expected.

Consider that in Bynum's first nine games this season, all without Gasol, the young center averaged 20.3 points and 11.8 boards a game--clearly All-Star numbers--and he had eight double-doubles.

Since Gasol's return, Bynum is still looking for his first double-double and his output has dwindled to 12.4 points and 6.4 boards per game. This month Bynum has also suffered through games where he's scored 8, 4, 4 and 3 points. Phil Jackson pointed out that Bynum has been playing while ill for part of the month, but his rebounding has often been passive and in five games in December Bynum has failed to get at least five rebounds.

Last night, of course, the Lakers got pasted by the Suns and Amare Stoudemire showed why he's the leading vote getter among centers in the West as Stoudemire had 26 points and six rebounds.

At this point, the most deserving center in the West to get picked as a backup for the All-Star game might be Bynum's neighbor at Staples Center, Chris Kaman. The Clippers center is having a career season and has made a simple change to try and get his shot off quicker before he has to put the ball on the floor.

Kaman's stats so far this season easily top Bynum's:

Kamam 20.0 points, 9.1 rebounds.

Bynum 15.0 ppg, 8.1 rpg.

--Barry Stavro

Photo: Andrew Bynum fights the Thunder's Nenad Krstic for the ball last week. Photo credit: Robert Gauthier / Los Angeles Times.

 
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I SUPPORT ANDREW BYNUM - BANDWAGON
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(01) #4 – CO/OWNER - Not in his usual 4 slot that is how much he supports Socks.
(02) LAKERTOM – CO/OWNER – Of course I should be on the Support Bynum bandwagon.
My comment: The Bynum Bashers will all crawl back under their rocks by June.
(03) Nemia-Faletogo – DRIVER - Let me warn you though, never mistake meekness for weakness
because I'll go toe to toe with anyone on here when it comes to our beloved Lakers & bYNUM
(04) #4 – To even put it more simply, we lost the championship with Bynum injured, we won it with him giving us a mediocre performance. I'll take mediocre performance all day. And it looks to me like mediocre performace can scare the bejesus out of very elite teams.
(05) MAMBA24 - BEAST I SUPPORT YOU 100% - No equivacation.
(06) Yellow Fever -i know its a difficult time to stand behind bynum these days ... that said i will
probably be happy with a 80% effort from bynum but we're getting more like 20-30% these days.
(07) LadyJema24 - please sign me up for "I support Andrew Bynum" bandwagon. He's still a work in progress, we all know he's an offensive threat but his defense will come along, patience is a virtue
(08) THIRTY2 - Lets just relax with the Bynum stuff....Please ..Already...........Enough.......
(09) JON K - We all know the Beast will be back.
(10) BRONXLAKER-FAN - All he needs is to be more aggressive & put some emotion back in his game.
(11) DAVE M. - please count me in as a passenger on the Bynum "Amare who?" bandwagon
(12) CORNER-J - put me in the engine room of the I SUPPORT ANDREW BYNUM BANDWAGON. Before the season's over, the kid is going to make the Bynum-deniers eat their words.
(13) WESJOENIXON - And just to balance the scales, MAMBA24, put me on the 'I support Bynum' bandwaggon. Because i really do, even if my mind won't stop playin GM.
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The sooner Andrew forgets about All Star ballots, the easier he will actually get there.
He needs to establish priorities: from a good positioning of his goals , his play will develop in a way that will make transitions from one goal to' the next quicker.

His first priority is to serve this team.

Not himself.

The team.

The more he will, the more also his personal star will shine. Those Are not two oppositing stages: they Are actually an osmotic reaction.

But in the Was It The Chicken Or The Egg coming out first debate, Drew absolutely needs to develop a team attitude and trust the fact this is for real the faster way to his continued success.

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I SUPPORT ANDREW BYNUM - BANDWAGON
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(01) #4 – CO/OWNER - Not in his usual 4 slot that is how much he supports Socks.
(02) LAKERTOM – CO/OWNER – Of course I should be on the Support Bynum bandwagon.
My comment: The Bynum Bashers will all crawl back under their rocks by June.
(03) Nemia-Faletogo – DRIVER - Let me warn you though, never mistake meekness for weakness
because I'll go toe to toe with anyone on here when it comes to our beloved Lakers & bYNUM
(04) #4 – To even put it more simply, we lost the championship with Bynum injured, we won it with him giving us a mediocre performance. I'll take mediocre performance all day. And it looks to me like mediocre performace can scare the bejesus out of very elite teams.
(05) MAMBA24 - BEAST I SUPPORT YOU 100% - No equivacation.
(06) Yellow Fever -i know its a difficult time to stand behind bynum these days ... that said i will
probably be happy with a 80% effort from bynum but we're getting more like 20-30% these days.
(07) LadyJema24 - please sign me up for "I support Andrew Bynum" bandwagon. He's still a work in progress, we all know he's an offensive threat but his defense will come along, patience is a virtue
(08) THIRTY2 - Lets just relax with the Bynum stuff....Please ..Already...........Enough.......
(09) JON K - We all know the Beast will be back.
(10) BRONXLAKER-FAN - All he needs is to be more aggressive & put some emotion back in his game.
(11) DAVE M. - please count me in as a passenger on the Bynum "Amare who?" bandwagon
(12) CORNER-J - put me in the engine room of the I SUPPORT ANDREW BYNUM BANDWAGON. Before the season's over, the kid is going to make the Bynum-deniers eat their words.
(13) WESJOENIXON - And just to balance the scales, MAMBA24, put me on the 'I support Bynum' bandwaggon. Because i really do, even if my mind won't stop playin GM.
(14) JEFE101 - How could anyone not want to support the kid - the franchise obviously has a lot tied up in this kid and we'd all be fools to not wish him well. That said, I sure hope he's got this upper respiratory infection under control...what's it been now, two weeks??? Let's go Drew –
(15) GANAPIA - We believe our Twin Towers will take us to more glory days.

Bringing Bynum of the bench isn't punishment; I'm taking his word that he needs the ball more to get into rhythm. So don't start him with Pau but run the offense through him when Pau goes out. And Bynum's not being exiled with the "second unit" because there is no second unit; there will likely have to be some combination of starters throughout a game unless they're winning/losing by 30. 

Fact is Bynum was putting up good numbers until Pau returned. So it's not a question of talent, but focus. I think that being the #1 option from the bench is better for Bynum's growth right now than being the #3 option as the starter, until he gets his mojo back. Ultimately Bynum needs to start if the Lakers hope to stand up against the Nuggets, Mavs, Celtics, Cavs or Magic in the playoffs.

Anyone remember the Houston series last year?

I certainly do.

We lost several games because of intangibles I shall from now on refer to as "the weirdness."

"The weirdness" can be understood as a breakdown of the psychic link between players.

Anyone remember when the Queen of the Borg got killed in Star Trek and the rest of the Borg throughout the galaxy kind of froze up and didn't know what to do?

Dorkilicious as I am, those memories define my being.

The Borg were exposed to "the weirdness" and, ergo, became hesitant and disorganized for a spell.

Well, whatever unholy magics that be have seemingly exposed similar weapons upon our beloved Lakers in the form of "the weirdness."

-No dynamic group think

-Actingly like hesitant individuals instead of as a cohesive organism

-No sense of urgency

-A lack of individual confidences combined with a communal sense of arrogance (which is just plain "weird")

-Ron Artest falling down a flight of stairs with a bottle of Hennessey in his hand after being SO caught up in belting out Billy Joel's "Italian Restaurant" that he distractedly tripped over a box of ramen noodles (what was that doing there?). Now he can see dead people.

Yep, Laker Nation, "the weirdness" is upon us.

I think we're going to have to skin an aardvark, cover Mamba24 in chunky peanut butter, and set Bill Simmons on fire. It's the only way out.

What do we play for? RINGS!!!

Lakers Today... Lakers Tomorrow... Lakers Forever.

GO LAKERS!!!

Good morning,

After watching the Lakers struggle for two games without Ron Artest, it is clear that action is needed. I hereby propose an amendment to the "Snowboarding" clause in player contracts: Upon signing a player contract with the Los Angeles NBA franchise, within 30 days the player must replace all staircases with an elevator.

Go Lakers!

Iam of the strong convictions that the writer of this article wants for Bynum to be traded by the Lakers. It seems to me that he is not technically analzing Lakers games since Gasol came back. The point I want to make is not regarding the aforementioned name, but the point gaurd.
Having said that, Fisher is fading in his game. For example; last night, Nash has 12 assists, and Fisher has none. Fisher was outplayed by Nash in every department of the game last night. Stoudemire received 85% of Nashes assists, therefore, he has more points.
As I stated in one of your articles that Lakers' problems at this present are point guard and the bench. The past few games of Lakers, there is no ball movement that could have served as a conduit to creat better spacing for the big guys.
If Lakers point guard continues to allow penetration, the big will come out, then the space will be created for the opposing big guy to have a easy ride, and the bench is not producing.
Please critically analyze Lakers game and know the problem in totality, and stop shifting blame on Bynum alone.

Please people be real about this thing.... Andrew is nothing more then a journeyman & always has been. The Lakers picked him & it was a really BAD pick. The guy has NO basketball sense & will never have any... He is a kid that gotabunch of bucks because he was tall, that's it folks face it...
As for the rest of the team, come on Fish would be & should be a leader in the locker room & a bench guy, not a started who does nothing all game long & maybe sinks a basket or two late.
The Lakers NEED a real point guard that is YOUNG, FAST, DEFENSIVE MINDED & has a BRAIN... They also need a center that can STOP the other team from being in the paint & scoring at will, does the name MARC GASOL mean anything ??? Marc could glog the middle while his brother shoots mid range shots, a real point guard takes the ball out of the Kobsters hands & allows his legs to rest & then finds him in the lane...
The Lakers need to act before the deadline, they NEED to package Andrew as bait, Sasha & YES Walton together with Jordon or Brown & pick up a top three point guard & a top three center. The league is full of unhappy points starting with CP3 & the nets & Utah both have great points that are not happy. Gasol could be gotten back in a three team deal as well...
Bottom line today's team even if Ron is playing is not going to win it all, get over yourselves & lets get Mitch to act like Jerry when he got Shaq in a trade, there are centers out there as well as guards, MOVE MITCH before it is to late....

Marty

PS As for Phil saying he will stick by Andrew, what else can he say or do, he knows Andrew would make GREAT trade bait & benching him would drive down that bait....How e;se can the Laker's drive down the stupid salary they gave Sasha & Walton & get rid of them both without Andrew as bait....

As terrifying this may sound to some, it's time to pry open our eyes with toothpicks and stare unflinchingly into the cold, compassionless reality of the void:

Clipper Chris Kaman and former Clipper Zach Randolph deserve to be All-Stars this year.

Go Clippers!!!

GO LAKERS!!!!

A major Bynum problem is Kobe takes too many shots and Bynum defers to him. Bynum FGA's have fallen steadily since Gasol's return while Kobe FGA's are constant and even a little higher.

Gasol has the same issue as Bynum. Too few touches.

When Kobe has 24+ FGAs chances for a Lakers loss increase. As it does when Kobe's FGA's exceed Bynum + Gasol's FGA's like they did against Phoenix.

Lakers should play inside out.

Check the boxscores ....
Most Lakers losses occur when Kobe is a high volume shooter.

I'm looking forward to meeting our new blog lord after January 1st.

Laker Nation is welcoming and supportive, but we do expect excellence. Men sharpen one another like iron on iron. Whoever he (she?) is should expect a bunch of lunatics anticipating the Kobe Bryant of sports journalism to arrive and then continuously challenge/argue with that person.

Yep, good times.

What do we play for? RINGS!!!!

Lakers Today... Lakers Tomorrow... Lakers Forever.

GO LAKERS!!!!

I guess Hollinger is right, this Laker team is good on paper only. The only reason they have a good record is because they played most of their games at home and against sub .500 teams. The Lakers have a losing record against teams that are over .500

Clipper Chris Kaman and former Clipper Zach Randolph deserve to be All-Stars this year.

Go Clippers!!!

GO LAKERS!!!!

Posted by: Jon K. | December 29, 2009 at 07:24 AM

I don't know, are they popular enough?

No one is addressing our REAL problem... our PG position.

Look, yes, Bynum is soft. He and Pau are on par with each other. But at least Pau has pure skills, and we have Lamar to come in for rebounding and some D. We can survive with a listless, soft Bynum in the lineup.

BUT WE CAN'T WIN ANOTHER TITLE WITH FISH STARTING!

There are just way too many quality, younger PGs that blow by Fish, get our Big Softies in trouble, and prompt Kobe to convert to Kobe-Mode and overshoot, thus frustrating our front line (especially Pau) for not having the in/out game working (not getting enough touches), and thus allowing Andrew "Charmin, as in the toilet tissue" Bynum to check out mentally and start dreaming of his stash of Playboy magazines, kept safely and attentively by Dr. Buss himself, who makes Hugh Hefner seem like a choir boy.

In all seriousness, I love Fish, but if we had a quality PG that could get us 15/7 a game, then there's no way anyone could beat us during Kobe's window of winning championships.

Fish is 35 years old, going on 36. It would be one thing if he was a shooting guard, but the PG position is the most athletically-inclined position in basketball, and Fish simply can't compete with the younger PGs.

We can't trade Bynum for a PG because he's the prodigy of Buss Jr.

This means either Shannon or Farmar must assume the majority of the PG minutes. I vote for Shannon because of his size. If Farmar can hit more of his open jumpshots, and learn to collapse the interior defense like other PGs his age do, then maybe he could get the starting nod.

Regardless, at some point, we have to address our PG slot. Hopefully, before the AllStar break.

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It's pretty simple:
(Kobe playing with injuries) + (no Artest) + (Bynum playing the way he has been) + (on the road) + (a quality opponent) = A loss.

Which ones can be fixed?
Artest will be back.
Kobe's injuries? Hard to say at this point.
On the road and quality opponents? Those will be factors in the playoffs.
Bynum's level of play? That looks to be the wild card.

If Luke comes back healthy that will help somewhat.

Lamar playing to his potential can make up for Bynum. (Yeah, I know, but I felt obligated to put that in there.)

Ohhh boy. The author of this article is lighting a fire for us to turn on each other here. What BAIT!
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I actually thought Bynum had a nice game! In the first quarter, he had quality play and nice energy. Listen guys, Bynum is a nice player! When we talk about packaging some sort of trade, BECAUSE BYNUM is a quality player, he is our only quality player that we CAN trade!
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The flow of the team is off. The spacing stinks, the timing is wrong...and they cannot seem to get the ball into the post and then back out for quality shots.
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What I saw last night was Nash being deceptive pulling people out of position, then dishing off which allowed easy uncontested shots. THAT'S timing and flow. We were exposed badly because our outside shooting stunk and our easy uncontested shots were not there.Everything we did was a struggle.
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A good point guard makes things easy. Ball movement and spacing create a nice flow. With our two twin towers, we have to ask ourselves, is our game as it is currently deployed working well? At this time, it is not. HOWEVER, that can change. If we stick with the current rotation, they may be able to figure out how to move the ball to create easier and better shots. But THAT is the gamble. They may and they may not get it worked out.
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SO, when I talked about trading Bynum it is NOT because I thought he stunk.... he does NOT. My thoughts have more to do with our current rotation and my desire for an upgrade at the point and a good backup at the 3 or the 4. I want to see better flow. I want to see some outside shots go in to pull people out of the paint instead of packing it in.
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Now I realize that in the triangle, we don't need a point like Nash. But how about someone that can contribute to better ball distribution, better speed, ability to drive to the hoop, and the ability to make a consistent outside shot? Instead of a twin tower array, how about a speed and power orientation? One with FLOW. THAT'S Lakers basketball. If we are anything, we are that.
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So PLEASE, let's not Bash Bynum. Anyone that knows the game can see he is good. He is simply the only real "Chip" we have to make a good trade. Would I consider trading Gasol? NO! Kobe ? NO WAY! Lamar? We have been there before and we won't get what we need or want in return, and trading Lamar won't improve flow. It would probably hurt it. We would still be left with two twin towers.
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Therefore, that's my reasoning for WHY I floated out there using Bynum as trade bait. Because it would give us the a better deployment of our assets. Simple and NOT PERSONAL nor bashing.

Nothing like a soothing NorCal salve like the Kings or the Warriors to make everything better.

Always good after humble pie.

Playing inside out would be ideal, however it's kind of hard when Pau and Bynum think their inside game is outside or on top of the key.

It's pretty simple:(Kobe playing with injuries) + (no Artest) + (Bynum playing the way he has been) + (on the road) + (a quality opponent) = A loss.Posted by: exhelodrvr | December 29, 2009 at 07:51 AM

Sure it's simple when you put it that way my dear Holmes. Elementary really.
Mamba24

As terrifying this may sound to some, it's time to pry open our eyes with toothpicks and stare unflinchingly into the cold, compassionless reality of the void:

Clipper Chris Kaman and former Clipper Zach Randolph deserve to be All-Stars this year.

Go Clippers!!!

GO LAKERS!!!!

Posted by: Jon K. | December 29, 2009 at 07:24 AM

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Ah yes, the dream WCF for So Cal fans: Lakers vs Clippers. The Staples Series: both teams having home court advantage.

Jon K, if Blake Griffin comes back on time, it might still happen. That front court with Griffin, Camby, Thornton and Butler is awesome. Throw in Kaman in the mix and Baron Davis in the backcourt... whew

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As terrifying this may sound to some, it's time to pry open our eyes with toothpicks and stare unflinchingly into the cold, compassionless reality of the void:Clipper Chris Kaman and former Clipper Zach Randolph deserve to be All-Stars this year.Posted by: Jon K. | December 29, 2009 at 07:24 AM

Oh God, No, no it's to much for me to comprehend. Oh the Humanity!! ROFL

The Snake,

"That front court with Griffin, Camby, Thornton and Butler is awesome. Throw in Kaman in the mix and Baron Davis in the backcourt... "

You didn't mention Eric Gordon. Eric Gordon's the real deal.

Go Clippers!!!

GO LAKERS!!!!

exheldovr,

"(Kobe playing with injuries) + (no Artest) + (Bynum playing the way he has been) + (on the road) + (a quality opponent) = A loss."

You didn't mention "the weirdness". That's the missing factor in your equation.

What do we play for? RINGS!!!

Lakers Today... Lakers Tomorrow... Lakers Forever.

GO LAKERS!!!

gaijin,

"I guess Hollinger is right, this Laker team is good on paper only."

I hope you're joking because, if not, you're a total idiot.

We won the Championship last year with a worse lineup.

Keep that in mind.

Remember NEVER EVER LISTEN TO HOLLINGER! Never.

The guy's not a journalist. He just types letters and for some reason people publish those letters. It's one of reality's great tragedies.

What do we play for? RINGS!!!

Lakers Today... Lakers Tomorrow... Lakers Forever.

GO LAKERS!!!

Greetings all. Sorry I haven't responded personally, but the kind sentiments expressed are appreciated. I remain (and shall remain) in Thailand, so my NBA viewing and blogging is catch as catch can, but believe me, I do follow the Kings daily.

Helo Man said: 'If Luke comes back healthy that will help somewhat'

uh huh

http://tinyurl.com/ydwwemo

Another thing; for the life of me, why on earth would anybody think that Andrew is worthy of All-Star consideration? The poor kid has been showered with riches and gone Hollywood in the head. I was high on Andrew, believe me, but what a softy he's turned out to be. I can see him remaining an above average center for another 5 to 7 years and little more. Has he been in a movie yet?

Hey, how bout them Sacramento Kings of Basketball? Pretty sweet team. Give them a year or two.

sonnybelfast

Good morning everyone. Never really comment here,but i have followed the blog for along time. I've read a lot of trade idea's wanted to see what you guy's think of this one. Courtney Lee,and Ryan Anderson. Clearly the net's aren't going any wear. I have'nt put anything in the trade machine,but i think those guy's should still be under their rookie contract's. Lee did a pretty good job on kobe in the final's last season. I think he would be a really good backup for kobe,maybe even play a little pg. What you think?

troy,

"Regardless, at some point, we have to address our PG slot. Hopefully, before the AllStar break."

Brother, time to come back to reality... at least for a little while.

Remember the Gary Payton experiment? Remember that?

We bring in a point guard around the All-Star break and he has HOW LONG to learn The Triangle?

So you want a talented point guard to lead the Triangle? Remember Gary Payton? We made it to the Finals and he still hadn't mastered the Triangle yet. So, we're supposed to get some new point guard and he's supposed to super-charge this team in half a season with no experience in the Triangle?

Dude, NOT GOING TO HAPPEN. No way.

What do we play for? RINGS!!!!

Lakers Today... Lakers Tomorrow... Lakers Forever.

GO LAKERS!!!

Why does the media try to have us believe that it al comes down to points and rebounds with Bynum? His defense stinks. I bet the Lakers lead the league in opponents layups/dunks thanks to this clown. It's a combination of effort, the basic fundamentals of blocking out or weak-side help but unfortunately this guy has a very low IQ!

Kobe playing with injuries) + (no Artest) + (Bynum playing the way he has been) + (on the road) + (a quality opponent) = A loss." You didn't mention "the weirdness". That's the missing factor in your equation.Posted by: Jon K. | December 29, 2009 at 08:49 AM

JON K by God you're right. We didn't need no Haydron Collider to find the basic elements, between you and EX we have solved the essential question. You sirs shall soon be Nobel Laureates! EUREKAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!

MAMBA24 -

Thanks for the Roll Call shout-out. Warms my heart. :-)

I don't think that the reserves for PHX are going to have another game like that again. 51 points? We're better than that.

I was pretty geeked to see that AMMO is starting to be more aggressive. If we can get his shot back, he's going to be our spread-the-floor person. I also like how Sasha is doing more than just shooting - I remember a sequence where he got called for a foul for being too aggressive when trying to grab a rebound. We should be starting to put the pieces together, and when Luke comes back, that should help as well.

I really don't know why a bunch of people are in panic mode regarding Socks - our team is one of the best in the league, and it's not like we were going to go 80-2 on the year. Things are still being worked out.

Jon K. -

I agree with your assessment; the collective intentionality part of the team is lacking. There are times when it appears in spurts with 2-3 people, but it's been a while since all 5 on the floor were on the same page.

Hope you're having a good day!

P.S. - Kaman is looking like a star, especially during the Celtics game. I've thought of him as a very solid center since his 2nd year in the league, and I think that everyone else is just not starting to take notice.

"I guess Hollinger is right, this Laker team is good on paper only." I hope you're joking because, if not, you're a total idiot.Posted by: Jon K. | December 29, 2009 at 08:51 AM

Easy Jon K. This way leads to the Dark side where sits the evil Sith Lord DARTH DAVID STERN. Do not go this way young Ling. Seek the Knowledge of Kobe Wan. Yes Kobe Wan can set this one free. Now go now. Go! Hurry I fear a deep distrubence in the Force.

Jon K, your post on Lakers "weirdness" factor is awesome. And I do remember Rockets struggle last year as a nonsense nightmare (less nonsense once I get to' know about the weirdness factor...). I agree we might be in a recurrent plot there.

Mamba... You Are An Outfreakin Standing Artist. This blog reluces of your passionate, gracious, inventive posts.

Wo-haa :)

Good Morning everyone. I've been reading this blog for along time,but never posted a comment. The bench is in need of some chance's. So i was thinking about this trade. I have'nt put it through the trade machine or anything. I was thing about Coutney Lee,and Ryan Anderson from the net's since clearly they are'nt a team that's going anywhere. Lee seemed to do a pretty good job on Kobe in the final's. Lee can play some good minutes off the bench backing up Kobe,maybe even a little pg minutes. I think their both still in their rookie contract's. What do you think?

Hey guys. Just checking in to see who is still posting here.

Good morning blog, the excuse for a game last night was an abomination. Kobe has provided heroics for the last few games, which has covered up the fact we are not playing well and have not had a signature win all season. If you want to put on purple and gold glasses and pretend its not happening that's fine. Our bench, two years ago was our strength has become a liability. We are not running the offense instead all the bench players seem to want to play one on one which none of them are good at. One thing for sure we wont win any rings playing like this. When is the last time this offense was productive? The standings might say we are the best team, but we all know right now we are not.

Get this through your heads: You can't trade Andy Bynum. No one but Kupchak is going to pay him the money left (until 2013) on his contract. So, you are stuck with him until the season his contract expires, until then get used to what you see now, a journeyman center slightly better than Benoit Benjamin and not as good as Jermaine O'Neal.

"Ron Artest falling down a flight of stairs with a bottle of Hennessey in his hand after being SO caught up in belting out Billy Joel's "Italian Restaurant" that he distractedly tripped over a box of ramen noodles (what was that doing there?). Now he can see dead people."

That was one of the most funniest posts I've read on this blog... Dude you are very funny!

Jon K,

Just venting my frustration on the way the Lakers are playing right now, still can't get over that massacre on Christmas day compounded by another lost last night.

This team will be fine as it is. You can't win them all, plus we need Artest back- he is our physical force on D because our starting bigs are kind of long an lanky. You need the tank to push people around.

Bynum is going through a strange period, but I feel the only thing that will solve his issues is more PT and more experience. It is a long season folks and at some point things will gell and the team will rip off another 10 or 15 in a row.

As far as PGs go, I think that we are fine with a combo of UPS, Fish and Farmar. Fish has never been good, he has always been slow and he has never been able to run a break. What he does is provide leadership and mental toughness. I see that same mental toughness in Brown and I feel that by next season he will get the majority of the minutes and fish will move more to player/coach position.

No time to panic, no time for trades. Run what you brung!

ALL INFORMATION IS HEARSAY UNLESS YOU HEAR IT FROM E.F. HUTTON'S OF THE LAKER ORGANIZATION:

Bynum will retire as a laker, no ifs ands butts....he will come around as Phil alluded to:

"I'm not worried," Jackson said. "I think he will get it back. Right now, I think he's recovering from a bout with a respiratory [infection]. That's part of what I think is wearing on him."

Ron Artest is sorely missed and needed by this team.....and I find Phil's comment to be very funny....

HAHAHAH:

Jackson said he hadn't spoken directly to Artest. "I usually need a translator when I speak to Ron on the phone," he said.

Derek Fisher should follow Walton's move last season to volunteer to step off the starting line and to have Trevor Ariza takes his place. Derek knows that he is not getting younger and should tell Phil Jackson to move either Farmar or Brown in the starting line up as his replacement. This should be made early in the season so by the time the playoff starts, Derek's understudy would have adjusted to his new role as starting PG. If Fish is really a team player and knows where the future is for the Lakers, he will do this. Let's see.

As a longtime blog watcher, discussions like this one are why I have chosen to look elsewhere for Laker news and talk. The defending champions are essentially integrating two new starters into what is a superior starting lineup.

One third of the way through the season and the team has the best record in the league. Now, as they hit a rough patch, we hear the typical histrionics from shirt time fans, culmnating in calls to trade Andrew Bynum. This blog is rapidly becoming a waste of time.

Once upon a time, I used to read the postings on this blog.
I am ending it with effect from today.
Why?
Why would somebody (just too name one Jon K) write,
"I hope you're joking because, if not, you're a total idiot."

Because this Jon K disgress with another person.

Jon K, look youself in the mirror and re-read some of the thrash you have posted.

"If Lakers point guard continues to allow penetration, the big will come out, then the space will be created for the opposing big guy to have a easy ride" Edwin

this is exactly what I've been saying!!! Replace Fish with Shannon in the starting lineup and send Bynum to the bench so he can be the focul point of the offense when the second unit is in.

I've never posted a comment before,but the one did won't go through.

I agree that Bynum isn't the problem (he actually played very well in the first quarter, not so much after that). And I agree that the PG is our single biggest problem....BUT...that's not the only problem. Here are my observations:

1) PG...enough said. It's like a gaping wound through which all the parasites (i.e., quick, smart guards like Nash, CP3, Deron, etc.) enter and score at will on us. Fix it.

2) No pure 3-pt gunner. If you don't get one, then the new PG alone won't fix your offense. The triangle depends on atleast the threat of a kick-out to your gunner on the perimeter to knock down wide open 3s. Right now, nobody even bothers to guard our 3's because we're at the bottom of the league in 3-pt shooting. They just collapse on our interior shooters and scoop up all the rebounds too. And that's exactly what's happening.

3) Defense. Our defense totally sucks this year. And it's not just the gaping hole at PG, though that is huge. It's our whole mindset, amplified by the loss of...wait for it...Kurt Rambis. Last year, Rambis was specifically assigned to toughen up our defense, and he did. One thing about defenses too. They aren't just about X's and O's, they're about mental toughness and in-your-face aggressivness. They're also about the team acquiring and reflecting the attitudes of their coach. Rambis had that mindset. But neither Phil nor any member of the current staff have it. So yeah, this year our defense is an accurate reflection of Phil...the "Whateva Defense".

i have the answer 4 the little drama that's happening. i went to nba.com and found this:

Destroyers and destroyees, Lakers ruled the decade

http://bit.ly/5O16aM

even if 2009/10 is considered the next decade, the end of December is still "this" decade. i "feel" better. swishhhhhhhh

The biggst thing missing in Bynum's game is HEART. This guy has no desire or determination to be a great baller. Since this is impossible to teach, the grooming of baby Bynum campaign is dead. He got paid and his play shows that that is what he's really been after. How many times have we said, "just wait until this," or "just wait until that regarding this guy?" I'm tired of waiting and tired of continually being disappointed.

The time for more rings is NOW, not a few years down the road when Bynum MIGHT develop into the player we all want him to be. Kobe isn't getting any younger and the miles are starting to show. Pau will be good enough for the next five years as our premier big man. Everyone can see that we need a great PG who is quick, can shoot from the outside, pass, and play a little D. CP3 is can do all of these except body up with the larger guards. That's why I think that Rose is the perfect fit.

Kupchack needs to shop Bynum by showing his numbers to Gms before Pau came back. I think this would be able to get us a CP3 or Rose in return if he channels his inner West and really pushes hard.

I don't get this post.

Last night, although Stoudemire had a big night, Bynum had his best game in quite awhile (14 pts, 9 boards). He also had a good first half on the Cavs game. Phil Jackson even had good notes about Bynum coming out of it.

Then you guys post this? Seems about a week too late.

But on Bynum, he'll be fine. Let's not blame our recent sluggishness on him alone. Because there is plenty of blame to go around. And yes, I think it's cool he doesn't make the all star team this year. He can wait and he'll have plenty more to be a part of. He needs to learn that he needs to put a full day in day out effort. Kaman deserves it.

Unfortunately, this tends to happen when there is too much talent with similar players. Bynum and Gasol are both very talented. Therefore, one of two things need to happen. Either Bynum accepts to be the #3 option or they trade him for an athletic PG. It's hard for me to say, because Bynum has potential that not even Gasol has. However, how long are you going to have a healthy Kobe Bryant? I'm sure it's something Mitch is thinking about right now.

Since Portland seems to likes big men who are injury prone, maybe they will take Bynum off our hands and bless us with Brandon Roy...

some of the blame has to go to Pau Gasol. It's hard to come down on such a productive player but how many times do we see Bynum and Gasol standing RIGHT NEXT TO EACH OTHER on offense? Hello? That's not Bynum's fault, that's Gasol taking away the area that should be Bynum's domain and bringing his (Gasol's) man down who can now DOUBLE on Bynum to prevent him from even getting the ball. Gasol is taking away spots from Bynum which should be spots for a CENTER to get the ball in by playing like a Center when ANOTHER Center (Bynum) is on the floor. Don't even get me started on the Lakers ability to pass the ball inside. Derek Fisher acts like he's never made an entry pass in his life and Farmar telegraphs every other pass so good luck getting an entry pass into Bynum from him. Kobe, as great as he is has been regularly jacking up 30+ shots/game. I'd lose interest if I were Bynum too, you run the floor, get position, your teammate looks DIRECTLY AT YOU, swings the ball the other way and somebody else, usually Kobe ends up jacking up a contested, off-balance shot that ricochets out to the free throw line so you hustle down to the other end to defend in scramble mode then... the same thing happens on offense another 10 times in a row and you don't even touch the ball and yeah... you lose interest...

The Snake,

"That front court with Griffin, Camby, Thornton and Butler is awesome. Throw in Kaman in the mix and Baron Davis in the backcourt... "

You didn't mention Eric Gordon. Eric Gordon's the real deal.

Go Clippers!!!

GO LAKERS!!!!

Posted by: Jon K. | December 29, 2009 at 08:47 AM

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You're right -- the backcourt duo of Baron Davis and Eric Gordon is something to reckon with. The Clippers main problem seems to be having everyone healthy. The last time everyone was healthy, they went all the way to the WC semis.

Trade talk at first place in the NBA. Anyone else find that a wee bit unusual (the thought, not the fans/trolls that mention it; this will happen forever)...

Boston and Denver lost last night too. Not a good night for so-called 'elite' teams. Elite doesn't make you invincible....

Busy day at work, busy life at home. Not enough time to write on the Blog. Hope you all are having a great holiday season!

How about a trade with Memphis they've always been accommondating, package LO, Farmar, Sasha for Mike Conley, and Zac it would give you toughness and scoring off the bench, and a big starting point guard.

Good Morning Charles...Good Morning Everyone...

well that stunk, seemingly...

it rained three's all night long, got our butt kicked, as it were...

I actually think these games are good for us---or at least they should be...adversity is our friend and it will pay off in June...

when's our next game?

as for the great Bynum debate, I think he will come around and we will see the player we all want and need him to be, but it may take a while...the good news he's young and has the tools, just needs to cultivate the desire and fire and savey, which he has shown flashes of...

trading big for small has always been a bad idea and there is a compelling reason for it...Mitch will come up with something...

"he got toe jam football"

"get on with it!"

AS ALWAYS, AS EVER, YET ANOTHER GREAT DAY (AND CHAMPIONSHIP SEASON) TO BE A LAKER FAN !!!

GO LAKERS !!!

>Caliphilospher, Thanks, where you been how you doing?

> Zaira Stop it, Stop it right now!!! Lol! Thanks
Mamba24

Good there are now two Edwin on the blog, I always place the G on mine.

It seemed that Barry found the way to ruse the Laker fans, it used to be Luke during the Kbros regime, now it relegated to poor Andrew. Much has been said about them as role players but it all leads to one thing - Poor Defense. A team with lackluster defense will not go deep in the playoffs but will win lots of games during the season with offense alone. I see a lot of players who have been lagging behind in defense including the great one, Kobe because he is avoidance in hurting his ailing fingers from pinky to index as they get entangled on block shots or steals. You add here LO who also hurt his fingers in the first half tho' he has been known to be an inconsistent defender since he came to NBA. When he was a young player in NY parks, he probably got more praise with his offense and fancy dribbling and less props on hard nosed defense. Besides that a close defense would lead u to troubles due to body contacts. In the case of Artest, he gained reputation with street notoriety so defense became his forte'.

Some people here blamed the F/O for getting Artest instead of Ariza. Whoaa!!! if they did not take Artest, he could have gone to the Cavs, & Ariza with Rockets, Lakers would be left w/ the scrubs as forwards. We have to thank Mitch for immediate signing of Artest to MLE which was a bargain. In the case of Ariza, it was his agent who wanted more money in a recessionary times. Today, Artest got into accident, tough luck! That's the problem of having a shallow line-up depending too much on the starters. Once they rest or get injured, it is the end of the team. Morrison is good shooter but not being utilized so he becomes rusty. The same is true with Vujacic, he just disappeared completely after the new contract. They still can play a good basketball if mixed with the starters. When they play with Farmar, Shannon, Josh or Mbenga - that's the end of the team. Why? As a group, they are not good, athletic enough and no confidence. They were all born to depend on Kobe & Pau to survive any game! They don't need PJ, they need a psychiatrist. LMAO!

They don't need PJ, they need a psychiatrist. LMAO!
Posted by: Edwin Gueco | December 29, 2009 at 10:48 AM

You take that BACK!!! ROFL


SPEED

We're not as quick as we were last year. That won't turn a 20 point loss into a win, but it will contribute to regular season losses, especially in the dog days of the schedule. Mo' Shannon would help that.

The game slows down in the playoffs. We'll be fine depending on injuries and how they decide to call games. If 2k10 is a year of let brute force reign down low, it's gonna be a struggle.

Jon K. has nailed it - it is the weirdness. Again, I was preparing a long post on the Bynum conundrum and the bench puzzle (or the puzzling bench). But now I don't have to. It's the weirdness.

(Now, about covering Mamba24 in chunky p-nut butter. Would that be with or with out the purple thong?)

To reiterate what I said yesterday; I love and support my TEAM and I accept the good and the bad. I will be patient and I will keep cheering for them.

In fact, on Friday I will be cheering in person. Look for me. I'll be the one in the purple shirt.

Lass

Psst. By the way just in case you didn't know...
THE LAKERS STILL HAVE THE BEST RECORD IN THE NBA, NOT TIED FOR THE BEST RECORD, BUT THE BEST FREAKING RECORD!!!
Yahooooooooooooooooooo!
Mamba24

Shame on you LakerLass!ROFLMAO!!

This blog is like the mob... It can turn on you quick

What's all this talk about trading bynum? Pls no more trade machine scenarios... This kid is only 22 and we won a ring WITHOUT him last year... Please be more patient and he will work it out... He's also got other health issues and not even a full season has lapsed since he's returned from serious knee surgery.... And its only been like less than a month since he's been slumping FOR CRYIN OUT LOUD!!


Wow, star trek refernces about the freeze up factor (nice Jon K)? Trade Bynum trade D-fish? Trade D-FISH? Have you guys forgot that this is December and we are panicking with the BEST RECORD in the league. Not to mention Pau was out for a stretch and now Artest is out. Guys take your meds and calm down. Let's be clear about something, the BENCH is the problem! If sasha and luke and all these 5-6 million dollar players were actually playing then we'd be fine. Farmar's horrible. Shannon Brown is horrible. Stop focussing on making the ESPN highlights and shut your man down!


Look, I hated the Christmas game as much as anybody and Bynum is really getting on my last nerve right about now, but let's say we traded Bynum and D-fish and someone else for a quality PG, that doesn't guarantee a championship! And futhermore we already swapped ariza for artest, do we really want to add more pieces IN THE MIDDLE OF THE SEASON to a championship team? Doesn't make sense I don't care what your argument is. If it doesn't work Mitch will look like an idiot. And if things don't work this year we can always make changes next year (if we don't get a ring) with the free agency sweepstakes going. Now I know how Cleveland fans felt prior to the Christmas game. The funny thing is now everybody is saying Lebron is leading the MVP race. That makes me laugh. Sometimes the NBA, Mr. David fake Stern, and the NBA media/refs as a whole makes me throw up in my mouth. It's a circus, a joke, a show like the ice capades if you will.


The truth is June matters. At least wait till April or May before you guys start talking dynasty lineup changes please! Come on yall we're better than that.

Sasha primary role was to take open 3 pt shots and make them like those off the bench on the top 8 teams. This would open up the court for the bigs. With the absence of a good quick defensive point guard Bynum is unable to hang back, rebound and block shots like the other good centers in the league. Bynum needs to learn how to pre-position himself for the rebounds by following the angle of the shooter, trajectory, and speed of the shot. One on one coaching from an outstanding retired rebounder should help Bynum pull down 12 -15 rebounds a game. He has the talent but the experience can only be accelerated by a good defensive rebounding mentor. Rodman video tapes and Celtic game tapes could help accelerate Bynum's development. If Bynum is to reach championship caliber alongside Gasol, Lakers must find a way to spread the floor with a 3 point clutch shooter that makes 75% of wide open shots. Must be unafraid to take the shots at critical moments! Sasha should have filled that role but for some reason does not have the mental toughness. NJ, Warriors, Memphis and a couple of other teams might provide a trade without breaking up the starters. LO, SB,LW & Mbenga should not be traded. A key PG trade may require cash or future picks plus 2-3 other Laker Bench players.

Jon K,
Here's my theory of the rightly observed "weirdness": it's nothing other than the "twelve days of Christmas", a great tradition of merrymaking and inverted logic (including, when appropriate, falling downstairs). It follows the sacrifices of Advent, capped on the Epiphany (Jan 6) by electing a pope of fools (see Victor Hugo, "Notre Dame de Paris" aka in English the Hunchback of the Fighting Irish where Quasimodo was elected and crowned by the crowd).

The Lakers turned the logic around slightly by electing the mock pope (Lebron, who was already a mock King) on the first rather than the last day of Christmas. But wait till Twelfth Night is over and everything will be back to normal.

And don't forget... "on the fifth day of Christmas my true love gave to me... Five Gold Rings" (that's Kobe's Christmas song this year).

*sigh*

Right...what's wrong with Bynum? Since Gasol's return, his minutes are down, his touches are down and his attempts are down. Gosh, I can't for the life of me figure out why his numbers are down.

Someone else touched on part of our problem being Kobe playing injured. Yep, that's part of it...the other part being that even though he's injured, his shot attempts are UP! Kobe Bryant is the only player in the NBA, who when he's injured or sick shoots MORE shots. Why? Because he plays to be "the story". He wants that "Wow, despite being sick and having a broken finger, Kobe scores 4o" headline. That's why he's so predictable on offense. If he hits a three, you know he's going to shoot at least one or two more the very next possessions. Why? Because he wants to see if the story is going to be "Kobe hits 12 3's and scores 50".

Right or wrong, better or worse, this team lives or dies with Kobe. Bynum, Gasol, Odom, Fisher, are all bit players in the Kobe "story".

The whole article at the top is ridiculous. Of course Bynum's numbers are down! Not only is Gasol back and taking a chunk of the post play (as he should), but Kobe has reverted back to "shoot first, be the headline" mentality.

Every time I think Kobe has it figured out, he disappoints me. But what saves us is that he's absolutely phenomenally talented.

Morning.....

Bynum is having knee trouble......The Lakers have been covering it up.......

Thats what the problem has been.....lets hope he feels better...

Tsphere, that was an AWESOME post.

Between you and Jon K all has been explained.

I feel so much better. Thank you.

Lass

Tsphere

nothing less expected from the city of lights

this will make all of u feel a little better: Lakers-team of the decade

http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=4778881

These last two games don't provide much support for the concept of the Odom-Bynum-Gasol lineup.


From the OC Register -

"It was recently revealed that Andrew Bynum has been dealing with "tightness" in his right knee, toward the top of his kneecap."

- Did someone seriously suggest that Luke Walton will help solve the teams' woes? If this is true, than the Lakers are in deep deep trouble.

Andrew Bynum a bust? Bynum straight across for Marc Gasol , now.

ex,

good point. looks like the middle is the weak link. (Odom-Bynum-Gasol lineup)
until AB does not learn to play even w/G, there is no trio. i'm sure PJ is pretty frustrated by that. how many coaches ever have that type of players (potentially) that let them fantasize about it.

So who's the wiseguy that was posting under "smush farmar" in the last phoenix game chat?

Pls show urself... U had me rollin on the ground... U are one funny dude.

If Bynum is having tightness in his right knee, knock knee, left knee or whatever knee, I say sit his ass for a couple games so he can work through the physical while getting his mental in check as well.


I do believe we need to address the inconsistencies with our bench. It plagued us last year and has gotten progressively worse this year. Everyone on the bench minus one or two players are soft and ME first type players..There needs to be an upgrade, a stabilizer, and a player who can stay composed and get his own shot and create for others while being able to sacrifice his own game for the good of the team. While that description fits Luke, he is equally inconsistent as a shooter but more so health-wise. He cannot be relied on, any way the wind blows, he is subject to be injured.

The bench needs a definite upgrade. I felt someone like a flip murray type player would've been good, even if we had the goods to get Nate Robinson, i would make that move, but that's why I am not a GM I suppose..One thing is for certain he is instant offense but perhaps another me-first player which we don't need...

Another thing, it seems the every year our bench is together the younger their games gets..

I have not seen much maturation or progression in the way in which I bench has played..

The bench play of the Lakers is one of their weakest areas. Walton will definitely help there.

If bynum has tightness on top of right knee cap does that mean lakertom has tightness on top of upper lip?

Haha. sorry lakertom I saw an opening and couldn't resist... u know we love u.

Hello Laker friends,

Well, the Suns do indeed have a different look when they get a little rest and play at home. The previous two games vs LA, the Suns were coming off B2B's and with two starters as old as Nash and Hill, the rest makes a big difference.

I was surprised to see the Suns rebound so well last night. Usually LA can use the size advantage, but this was Robin Lopez' coming out game. He looked as good as bynum and is lots cheaper. For whatever reason, Lopez tends to play well vs LA.

I thought kobe's shot was off and LA's team energy was really low. Odom in particular looked off following the finger bruise. You have to give it up for Amare for posterizing bynum, who has tended to nullify Amare in the past. As for Gasol, he seemed timid compared to Lou Amundson.

Fishcer is someone who I have less respect for all the time. He tends to hit people when the Lakers are getting beat, and he took a swipe at Nash last night. Seeing as how Nash and Dragic and Barbosa outplayed their counterparts, I can understand Derek's frustration. But one of these days, someone is going to give it back to him. He seems to have that short man's complex with the chip on his shoulder, but he is old enough now that he can expect to get burned regularly by faster PGs.

We'll see you guys in March. Happy New Year and enjoy the upcoming road games. Suns are happy to spend a little time at home now.

MAMBA24 -

I'm back here in the 'wood (always up to no good) working on my PhD applications before I head back to LBK on Thursday. Just trying to get into a top 20 program (preferably back here in Cali). The apps for Harvard and M.I.T. are WAY too long, but I guess those are the hoops you have to jump through in order to be considered.

How are you doing? I hope your holidays have been well for you and yours! :-)

BoomBoom,

Go cry to someone else, pal. I apologize if I got your panties all ruffled, but your false outrage just makes me scoff.

What do we play for? RINGS!!!

Lakers Today... Lakers Tomorrow... Lakers Forever.

GO LAKERS!!!

Jon K, the infamous one...

The reason for why we didn't win it all that one fateful year was because Payton was UNWILLING to run the triangel, and our hick Karl Malone was injured. Couple this with the fact that the conflict between Shaq and Kobe was at a highpoint, and there you are.

The Snake,

I think the three biggest challenges to the Clippers are:

1. Injuries

2. Over-coming the Clippers Curse (bad mana)

3. Mike Dunleavy's often bizarre coaching

Go Clippers!!!

GO LAKERS!!!!

Tsphere,

There seems to be some merit regarding your theory of Christmas seasonal 'weirdness', but how would you explain 'the weirdness' during the Houston playoff series last season?

What do we play for? RINGS!!!!

Lakers Today... Lakers Tomorrow... Lakers Forever.

GO LAKERS!!!!

BUTLER,

I must say that your sudden politeness has me a bit befuddled.

What do we play for? RINGS!!!

Lakers Today... Lakers Tomorrow... Lakers Forever.

GO LAKERS!!!!

I think we Laker fans need to do Bynum a favor and vote Chris Kaman in as the backup center. Bynum hasn't earned a position on the allstar team, and to be there would only abate his hunger to get better.

Vote Kaman in. We need a determined Bynum to earn that spot next year.

Ross,

Sasha has the mental toughness to be our go to 3point shooter, but a man by the name of Phillip Jackson, coach of the Los Angeles Lakers, has nullified Sasha's role, destroying his playing time, rhythm, and confidence. You can't expect Sasha to come in at random times for only 3 minutes, with the thought of being benched if he makes one or two mistakes.

Phil, for all of his genius, has a tendency of destroying 3 point specialists (Cook, VladRad, Rice (back in the day), and now Sasha.

For Sasha to flourish, and for us to have that 3 point threat, Sasha needs at least 12-15 guaranteed minutes each game.

For those questioning the viability of trade talk, you are not understanding that those of us who discuss this are not making decisions based on the few games this year, but over the collective efforts of those in question for the past few seasons.

For Fish, I knew as soon as he got here from Utah that we needed to upgrade to a younger PG. Phil did too, but he couldn't because Fish developed into the only Laker that could keep a wild-eyed Kobe in check.

As for Bynum, he's been in the league, what, some 5 years. His name came up as trade bait year ago during that horrible summer when Kobe wanted to be traded. Along with being injury prone, Bynum has never been able to demonstrate a passion and love for the game, and this has made many of us fans wary of him.

I saw the first game Bynum ever played as a Laker. It was during the Summer League at Long Beach State. He looked winded and disinterested then, and he still does now.

Again, this trade talk hasn'tt manifested spontaneously; it has developed over some time.

Jason F,

Good point about Kobe. Although the Kobe Story has allowed us to win in all last year, when it doesn't work, the Lakers lose 99.2% of the time. I've always said; Kobe givith, Kobe taketh away.

This is why we can't trade Fish. Fish is the only one who can come close to calming Kobe down, and Phil knows this.

We're stuck.

I watched Bynum during the last few games.

He is passive, soft, inactive, unaggressive, slow, undetermined, lacking in passion, lacking in fire.

He can't even fight to get a rebound. Come on, Bynum. Why are you just standing there?

This last game, Bynum got completely blown out by the Sun's centers, who played with determination and passion.

It is NOT about Pau. It is about Bynum.

Andrew, if you want to be an all-star game center, then PLAY LIKE IT!!!

>Caliphilosopher, except for this dang gone Jon K. weirdness factor my Holidays have been Super, and hearing from originals just makes it that much better. I hope you and your family have a wonderful Holiday. Hold them close and tell them that you love them.
Your Humble Student,
Mamba24

BUTLER, all rivalries or whatever aside, welcome back. Glad to see the Suns going back to running, much respect on the win last night.

Wish you a Happy a New Year to you and yours.

 
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