Wel II guess Ron's the Physical lockdown defender and Kobe is the explosive defender who gambles for steals and blocks realllyyyyy well but tends to get burned more often than someone of his defensive caliber should(which he generally won't do in the 4th qtr mind unless its a blowout status or desperation mode) It works well cuz we do have some eraser's in the backline (Pau,Drew.Odom,DJ) so i don't think anything is gonna change except better understanding of how they can work with each others strengths as I've seen a lot more pressing after made shots than i've ever seen the lakers use and i've been watching since 96' In a weird way Kobe can spend more energy on defense cuz Ron's around he gambles but he seems even more intent on harrassing his man, cept when he gets caught roaming lol, than more recent years.

Andrew Bynum might be the Laker’s second leading scorer but he is not a 2nd option. Pau Gasol is the second option, the team flows so much more efficiently going into him. Bynum is too indecisive when he gets the ball in the post, and then once he makes up his mind he can’t make the adjustments.
He will score more than Gasol because of Gasol, he will score from the attention given to Gasol and Gasol's ability to make the right play. We already have seen we can win with a limited Bynum, but we can’t without Gasol. Once Gasol comes back I think Bynum will become even more of a force.

Anyone who has buyer’s remorse because Ariza has had some good numbers doesn’t understand the game. Artest proved against Johnson why we made that switch, it will be a mute argument when he faces Carmelo and we all see why he is the better choice for this team. Kobe scoring 40+ easily was the true result of having Artest. It’s only been 3 games and he showed why he’s here, once he gets comfortable in the offense, wow can’t wait.

“Farmar sees Rondo get $55 million and knows he is just as good if not better.” Posted by: Todd | November 02, 2009 at 12:14 PM
Todd are you Farmar’s brother? Are you his agent? Jordan is that you?

LakerT- nope. But i'm a pretty well adjusted guy. I'm willing to admit I don't know what's going on.

Um, 131, i actually went back and read your comment, cause I thought maybe by talking to me personally you were going to try and build some bridges or something. My mistake. I don't know what fantasy league you are talking about. Yes, my league is FREE, or just free, as I call it. I sent the league info to everyone who emailed me at the address I posted, regardless of what team they were cheering for. I didn't even know the blog names most of the guys used until draft day. Sorry you missed it.

And perhaps I need to do another declaration of what phred means, since some of y’all weren’t around and/or memorizing every post last season- this is the internet. I don’t know y’all personally, you don’t know me personally, and sarcasm and irony don’t translate well. I go out of my way to honestly express that I have respect and love for all true fans of the game, even if we all have our own blog personas that may or may not reflect how we really all in person, I know there are real people behind all of them. Or most of them. I’m never really sure about pfunk. (See, that’s a joke, cause pfunk never responds to any of my personal slights, and seems to have no awareness of how obsessed he is about Luke Walton. But if he is a real person, I respect him) Everything else I said can stand on its own merits, and if it sounds ridiculous, I can always claim I meant it to.

Thanks for letting me talk about myself some more, and i return y'all to your regular scheduled discussion of how lousy Jordan Farmar is.

THE LOVE HAS PROPS FOR MANUS HANDS

BUT THE LOVE THINKS THAT CHASE UTLEY IS PLAYING OUT OF HIS MIND

IT IS ALL ABOUT THE LOVE

GO LAKERS!

Um, I mean, I hope that you will be more aware of the respect due to all people regardless of team affiliation, and i'm sorry if you have to insult athletic teams that are completely unaware of your existence to feel better about yourself. - phred

This coming from a guy who JUST told all trolls to "get bent" whatever that means.

Much love and respect right back at you, phred
This "troll" wishes the lakers the best of luck this year - see you in June, when I'm sure your love fest will continue.
Love you, man!!

Whats going on?

Have not heard from LakerTom about his beloved Bynum as option #2 and I keep reading posts after posts about Pau as the real deal and #2 option..

Pau is the real deal tooo..

Overall, the Lakers look fine this early in the season...like a Ferrari that still hasn't been floored or had to use it's last two gears. As others have mentioned, until Pau returns to the lineup and Lamar amps up the second unit, nobody has yet seen the Lakers' tires smoking through the league. It's coming.
But here are a few pings that are troubling.
1) We have not yet found that smokin' spot up 3-point gunner that will rain 3's from the corner when the defenses (like Dallas showed) put up a zone. Fisher is our only semi-reliable 3-pt guy, and there are nights when it's not working for him. I'm surprised that Phil hasn't worked Ammo more to help him find his stroke. He's potentially a Kukovic type, but he's accumulating rust and lack of confidence from riding the bench. The rest of the league (and especially the Celtics) have loaded up on 3-pt gunners. This could be a big problem in the playoffs.

[ Half true, as to comments but lets look. Why surprised? PJ always says he is going to do one thing and does the opposite. That is no surprise. As to 3 point shooters Orlando tried that last year and see how well that worked. The only thing that has merit is we lost quick perimeter defense with the loss of Trevor. so 3 point shooters may be more effective than before. Please don't say Artest because he will be glued to paula and the other 3 point shooters have to be accounted for].
2) Jordan and Sasha are both playing scared. Sasha in particular could be the 3-pt guy we need, but he's playing frantic and trying to do too much in order to show he can do it all (drive, defend, pass). Dial it back down, dude. Get to you spot, square up, and drain those shots. Stop already with the insta-shots on the run.

[ I agree both playing out of control. Farmar if he settles down can do a lot better. Sasha too has to settle down and square up. Brown can be the 3 point shooter with more practice and consistency].

3) Drew is similarly playing too frantic...on offense. Wants to show everyone that he's an All-Star...on offense. Fine. 20 ppg is cool, but what would really make you an All-Star is if you got 20 rebounds and 5 blocks per game. We're loaded with scorers. We need your boards, blocks, and intimidation/shut-down of the pick and roll. When we play the Celtics in the finals, you better come ready to rumble under the basket.

[ Unrealistic expectations from Bynum and ironic in judgement of him. Yes he has to get more boards but he can't be everywhere at one time. We have very good rebounders and like team defense we team rebound and w/o looking at stats I will bet the Lakers out rebounded the teams we played but not sure on Dallas. But many on other posts say Kobe can let RA work defense so Kobe can concentrate on offense. BS. Kobe needs to work on both ends just like all players on our team].
4) Luke haters...give it a rest. The guy is solid. NOBODY, not even Kobe, understands and plays the triangle better. Nobody makes his teammates play better. Nobody. Phil obviously knows that. So shaddup already.

[Dude I think you should refrain from telling anyone to shadup with that weak logic. Luke knows the triangle better than Kobe? Luke spends off season BBQing and Kobe works on his game including how it fits into triangle but Luke knows more. When has Luke changed PJ's call in Time out and ran what he wanted? When has Luke ever grabbed a clipboard from coaches to draw up play? Yup never. The best thing he did for the knowledge was ask PJ to bench him for TA. Luke had an average game which to you seems great. Too little for too much!
Posted by: CornerJ | November 02, 2009 at 06:57 AM

re Houston-Utah box score:

Two things jump out at me

1. 8 players in double figures

2. Brian Cook has become their human victory cigar 1:28 of burn in garbage time.

Lakers fans- see this is what happens. Trolls are people so desperate for attention that they are happy just to get abuse, even if they don't understand it, and under no circumstances will they ever fall into the trap of reasonable discussion, as polite conversation is the last thing they want. If they wanted polite conversation, they'd stick on celtic...um, never mind. They'd just be stuck with other bostonians there. Starve the trolls, y'all. I hope you can all learn from my momentary lapse in judgement.

LakerTom- I admire your optimism, as always, and i hope you are right, as always, but as much as Pau needs the rest, he and drew also need to learn how to play together. Their teamwork is definitely a work in progress, and between Bynum's injury last year and Pau's this year, they are getting very little experience together, which we both agree should be the best lineup the Lakers can field. Right now Odom has been the Lakers starting forward for a large majority of the games over the last calender year.

and yup, i sure am glad we got odom resigned. we'd be pretty SOL without him right now.

Man, that Sam Smith article sure got me thinking. Is it possible? Plausible? Kobe *and* LBJ on the same team? Wow!!

Think of all the crabs we could save!!!

Ok, back to reality :)

Los Angeles' full name is El Pueblo de Nuestra Senora la Reina de Los Angeles de Porciuncula -- and can be abbreviated to 3.63% of its size: L.A.

Just more junk to pass the time.

Nemaia,

In 20 games Pau should have been back, Artest should be in sync. The Dynasty would be rolling by then. Drew's contributions would be a luxury not a necessity. Hear from you then.

*** GAME DAY 2 HOURS TO ROLL CALL ***
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ONE TEAM – ONE FAMILY
Remember how proud we were, when we finally got over the hump
Remember then, we said with a grin, no player on this team should we dump
Then why the hell is dissension here, after playing 3 little games
If we won it once we can win it again, if the team remains the same
The one place where help was really needed, we got, watch out Lebron
Try running our lane & you’ll feel the pain, from our enforcer Ron-Ron
Yes Arriza we all really liked and a Laker we wish he could still be
But as the season goes on, you’ll sing a new song, As we make history
Now that we are champs once again our toughnes teams will try to test
But Ron don’t play, and they’ll slink away cause they want no part of his mess
Instead of one superstar point guard, we have 4 good ones to bring on line
Sasha can score and Jordan run the floor & with Dfish & Shannon we’ll be fine
We have so much firepower that it’s really a sight to see,
There’s Pau & The Beast & if their shots cease we also have Kobe
So let the League have a lil hope, as the Lakers adjustment begins
Cause it won’t be long, all doubt will be gone and another title we will win
Why do we have so many trolls, by now it should be plain to all
They also want to see, the beginning of history and they know their team will fall
So after a loss don’t panic, Sometimes a loss is what’s called for
Sometimes a mistake, shows adjustments to make, to make you better than before
We are the World champ[ Lakers, Every player has a part to play
So layoff Luke and Jordan to boot, we gone need them both one day.

BENEFITS OF LOSSES AND INJURIES...

1. Loss to Dallas ~ seems to have quieted the silly talk of 72+ wins. Let the others chase that number and spend precious capital on it. WE need to look no further than our own history to see how important it is to playing well AFTER the All-Star break. Those wins and momentum are what lead to championships... no matter who has homecourt advantage.

2. Injury to Pau ~ too many "blessings in disguise" to detail effecting Gasol's rest, Bynum's minutes, Lamar's expanding confidence, etc. And again, losing Pau for a stretch of games in November is a distant, fading, long-forgotten memory when the team is peaking late in the season and into the playoffs. By the way, this is also very true when evaluating Artest; give the man some space and time to get in stride!

3. RE ARIZA ~ please don't EVEN try to compare his numbers with Artest's numbers this year. The facts are clear,,, the move was good for BOTH players and BOTH organizations. Trevor has room to grow his game in Houston. Artest room to chase championship in LA. Trevor would NEVER have opportunity in LA to consistently get up the dozen to 15 shots per game he will get in Houston (thus, more numbers). If you really want to see how much Ariza is improving, keep an eye on how his D improves or slips as his offensive numbers expand.

4. BENCH MOB SUGGESTIONS...
--SASHA-- stand still, spot up, and take the shot the team delivers you... enough with the hyper-activity. To quote the great Wizard of Westwood, "Never confuse activity with accomplishment."
--JORDAN-- slow down and see the WHOLE court,,, the triangle offers options to EITHER weak or strong side... and consult Wizard of Westwood on activity
--WALTON-- watch video of Magic passing; then watch video of Stockton passing; take cues from Stockton, please
--POWELL-- after practice, could you work with Sasha and D-Fish on their shots?

Mike

EXCELLENT POST LAKER MIKE!

Laker Mike,

Nice suggestions on the bench mob. If I may add, their objective as always is to improve what the starters have initiated. Therefore, it is not wise to gamble on those blind passes or going thru a crowded lane unless it has been perfected in practices. Why not execute the triangle on its merits like going with Drew on the inside and kick it out to Sasha or Shannon or Farmar on the outside, shoot it if unguarded and those people standing around the posts should go for follow ups and rebounds. (If our young players today would just watch how those old veterans do it like Walt Frazier, Earl Monroe, Happy Hairston, Jerry West, Gail Goodrich, Dave Debuchere, the basketball flow is simple and its basic elements don't change, no fancy passing or too much gambling that leads to T/O. Yes, when those fanciness are successful, it elicits "Wow" which tinkers the youth's exuberance or enjoyment. However, that's only a temporary achievement, the work of the reserve must be consistent and must stick with the coach's objective. ( If we translate this into battle lines, the navy seals and marines have initiated the attack, our reserves are the army who will resume the advances while repulsing any counter offensive. Any exhibition of heroism of one is just pure gravy, the action of one should coordinate with the action of the whole.)

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ONE TEAM – ONE FAMILY
Remember how proud we were, when we finally got over the hump
Remember then, we said with a grin, no player on this team should be dumped
Then why the hell is dissension here, after playing 3 little games
If we won it once we can win it again, if the team remains the same
The one place where help was really needed, we got, watch out Lebron
Try running our lane & you’ll feel the pain, from our enforcer Ron-Ron
Yes Arriza we all really liked and a Laker we wish he could still be
But as the season goes on, you’ll sing a new song, With Ron we’ll make history
Now that we are again champs, our toughnes teams will try to test
But Ron don’t play, and they’ll slink away cause they want no part of his mess
Instead of one superstar point guard, we have 4 good ones to bring on line
Sasha can score and Jordan run the floor & with Dfish & Shannon we’ll be fine
We have so much firepower that it’s really a sight to see,
There’s Pau & The Beast & if their shots cease we also have Kobe
So let the League have a lil hope, as the Lakers adjustment begins
Cause it won’t be long, all doubt will be gone and another title we will win
Why do we have so many trolls, by now it should be plain to all
They just want to be, a part of history, & watch a real team play ball
So after a loss don’t panic, Sometimes a loss is what’s called for
Sometimes a mistake, shows adjustments to make, to make you better than before
We are the World champ[ Lakers, Every player has a part to play
So layoff Luke and Jordan to boot, we gone need them both one day
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Put on the ring but make room for another, It is inevitable Dynasty 4 now begins. @VMan
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Kobe gambles on man continually and gets burned over and over, what the deal, just play zone or man to man lock down. You can't keep jumping in the passing lane hoping for steals.

Outstanding roll call this morning, Mamba24. Thanks for all that you do for this blog.

Go Lake Show!

LakerTom as always, thank you sir!

Thanks for all that you do for this blog. Go Lake Show!
Posted by: The Outlaw | November 03, 2009 at 10:03 AM

Thank you brother Outlaw, how's that new Laker fan Baby Outlaw doing sir?
Mamba24

sigh where are those MRI results ... this ain't good ... this ain't us ... the equation is all jacked up right now ... 24 + 16 + [3|1]7 = The Purple Tinted Golden Age
Posted by: segeboy fka taliq | November 03, 2009 at 10:05 AM

Come on Sheriff as LakerMike & LakerTom Says this could be a blessing in disguise. Pau get's more rest after a long international season play, Ron-Ron & The Beast get's more touches. It's all good Sheriff. Now take that gun off relax and sip on a cold one.

Mamba24