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Lakers knock off Detroit, Kobe knocks off milestones

Kobe Bryant 11.17.09 scores vs. Detroit After consecutive losses, the Lakers needed a strong response Tuesday night at Staples against the Detroit Pistons, a middling group playing without injured stars Richard Hamilton and Tayshaun Prince. They got it, for three quarters at least, in a 106-93 win. Kobe Bryant led the way with 40 points, the 100th time he's blown up for 40 or more (that's 100 more than me and AK... combined!) over the course of his career. Bryant missed his first four shots, but then went nuts, shaking off the effects of a strained right groin to finish 17-29 from the floor. He capped his night with a three pointer, but generally speaking continued to do his damage in the post, taking advantage of an undersized Ben Gordon in particular.

LA used a Kobe fueled Q2 (13 points for Bryant) to blow the game open, and eventually built the lead to 28. Yes, they (meaning the reserves) lost their discipline and structure in the fourth and let the Pistons back in- shouldn't happen- but overall it was a positive return to form for the purple and gold. 

Add in news that Pau Gasol is on track for a return, perhaps as soon as Thursday night against the Bulls, and the process of turning those frowns of Friday and Sunday upside-down was basically complete. Not that the healing kept Phil Jackson from skewering Gasol and his guest spot on CSI: Miami.

MORE LAKERS AND NBA NOTES...

-With Luke Walton on the shelf, the Lakers have looked into a return for Tony Gaffney, currently playing in Israel. Nothing, though, is imminent. PJ said Tuesday that Walton's injury may help clear up potential playing time issues, including making it easier for Shannon Brown and Jordan Farmar to play at the same time, Brown at the two, Farmar at the point. 

-Kwame Brown says he can't take credit for LA's rise, and is impressed with Andrew Bynum's improvement.

-Congratulations to Warriors guard Monta Ellis for volunteering to pick up the slack now that Stephen Jackson has been shipped to Charlotte... or not.

-Lawrence Frank will apparently be allowed to continue coaching the Nets. Does that mean management there actually hates him?

-AI to the Knicks looks like a longshot.

-The Celtics are reportedly not making a run at Andres Nocioni. As a team, they're more concerned about improving their focus in practice.

-Sam Dalembert's agent is a big fan of the potential deal that would send Sam Dalembert from Philly to Sacramento.

-Not even migraine headaches can stop Carmelo Anthony right now

-Iverson's departure from Memphis kind of screws the marketing department. 

VIDEO LEFTOVERS:

More from last night's game...

Shannon Brown, on playing with Farmar:

Brown, Lamar Odom, on Kobe's 100 40's:

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(PHOTO: Kobe Bryant scores vs. the Pistons, credit: Alex Gallardo, LAT)

 
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Re: Sasha Vujacic

At this time 2 seasons ago, I wanted the guy off the team. He hadn't shown me that he was even NBA capable. Then the Mo Evans B Cook for Trevor Ariza trade happened. Mo's departure opened up consistent minutes for Sasha, and the guy actually stepped up nicely in that back-up role. He literally was a machine (thus the name from STU LANTZ)

Last season he struggled; terribly. But it wasn't lack of effort (the typical demise of NBA players).

This season, as I've watched nearly every minute of preseason through now, I can tell you that Sasha is back.

So I don't quite get all the criticism here on the blog. It doesn't make sense to me... AT ALL. The guy is hitting a very high percentage of his shots and he's playing as hard and as well as he ever has before. Perhaps the only difference is that he's getting 1. less burn, and 2. burn with scrubs

Sasah Vujacic, right now (and I admit, I hated this guy 2 years ago), is very under utilized.

These problems you're seeing are coming from an over utilization of a guy that, frankly, should hang up the sneakers. Why does a guy that can't get it done get 24 minutes a game while Farmar gets 19 (with extended garbage time to pad the minutes)??

This makes NO SENSE.

We do not need Fish to hit clutch shots, and if his minutes were reduced to say, 5 a game, there'd be a lot less need for those clutch shots in the first place.

Listen, I'm trying to be as fair minded as I can here. I'll admit when I'm wrong, and I'll try my best not to "panic" or come to hasty realizations, but Fish simply does not have it anymore. I think his shooting WILL improve, but his other deficiencies will not improve and will only grow worse as time goes on. It's time to open up the opportunity for Farmar, UPS, and even Sasha - they can perform, give them the chance dammit.

- A great game from Kobe. I was worried about his groin after his airball to start the game, but he sucked it up like he usually does. It's a good thing he made most of his shots, otherwise we would be hearing silly criticisms again about what a ballhog Kobe is, how the offense should run through Bynum, and how Kobe just wants to outscore his teammates.

- How is Fish in the "good" category? The team went on a run as soon as he went to the bench. The offense and defense suddenly sped up and starting clicking as soon as Fish went to the pine.

- Luke lovers were trying to say that Luke's absence was going to hurt the team because it will effect the "rotations", and blah blah blah. As it turns out, it will effect the rotations in a positive way, giving more minutes to those who are more deserving (i.e. Shannon Brown, Farmar, Powell, and maybe even Gaffney and Ammo).


Pau is the answer...all deference to AI.

If thursday happens, next week sometime will be the official start to this season.

When he gets his legs under him, everything changes. 24 goes to 27 a game, the bench flourishes and team ball comes back in style.

The Kobe show has been fun but it'll be nice to get a look at what this year's team can accomplish.

I never felt like this game was in jeopardy, but I was certainly watching for some tendencies that I see developing this (relatively early) season:

1. The guards still have an inexplicable propensity for launching ill-advised jumpers early in the shot clock. On one sequence, Shannon Brown dribbled down the court (with Bynum clearly sealing his man in the paint) and pulled up for a long three. He made the shot, but that's not the point. The point is that it's not the RIGHT shot, whether it goes in or not. Sometimes you get in a shooting rhythm, and it's good to make defenses pay for not meeting you early, but that shot -- with our center in position for the easy bucket and/or foul -- isn't what the triangle is predicated upon.

2. Kobe did most of his work near the basket early, as the K brothers noted. I like that. He blew some easy ones, but those shots are usually layups for 24. I love Kobe in the post. And when they sent aggressive double- and triple-teams at him, he found open shooters (and had a couple of turnovers, too). On that note, I'm still amazed at the lack of calls Kobe gets while operating in the paint. Weird. Do the refs feel like they have to handicap for Kobe's dominating skill?

3. Drew still needs to work on sliding laterally to avoid fouling guards when they drive into the paint. Meet them at the top, big fella. You're about a million feet taller than every guard in the league.

4. Lamar coast-to-coast is one of my favorite things to watch. The man needs to assert himself more on the offensive end, especially in the post. When he's aggressive, he's virtually unstoppable. Unless he's using his right hand. And, yes, Lamar still averages about 1.4 charges/game. I'm used to it now.

Baby Outlaw slept like a, um, baby last night after the win. Sure, he wasn't watching the whole game, but he knows when the Lakers have a good night. Purple and gold, through his veins it doth run.

Go Lake Show!

I love Fisher as much as anyone but he needs to have his minutes reduced to 15 tops per game, Brown, Farmar and Sasha should get those extra minutes. Either Kobe, Pau or Bynum should be on the floor at ALL times, never a lineup of Mbenga, Powell, Artest, Sasha and Farmar. If we Played Fisher and Odom with the reserves and kept Drew or Pau out there with them, we wouldn't have these drastic drop offs in scoring that were seeing.

THE 79-3 BANDWAGON…
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After a shaky start, that was a great game by Kobe Bryant. I have absolutely no problem with Kobe taking 29 shots when he makes 17 of them. It was also good to see, as aptly pointed out by CornerJ, Kobe mix it more with some mid-range as well as post up jumpers. I still find it amazing, however, that he only shot 5 free-throws on a night when he took almost 30 shots, many in heavy traffic. Why can’t the NBA refs give Kobe the same level of love they give LeBron and Wade? The REAL MVP.
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I also thought Andrew Bynum played another solid consistent game, this time scoring 17 points on 7-13 shooting plus 12 boards and 1 dime and block against only 1 turnover. Not only is Drew one of only two players in the entire NBA to average better than 20/10, but he also ranks #4 overall in the entire NBA in terms of efficiency – and tops on the Lakers team with a 26.56 efficiency rating based on 20.3 points, 11.8 rebounds, 1.6 assists, and 1.8 blocks per game. Those are All-Star stats.
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The other player whom I thought had a great game was Jordan Farmar, who once again showed why he is a better option to back up Derek Fisher than Shannon Brown. Jordan attacked the basket with verve last night, making some excellent driving layups as well as a couple of great assists. His ball handling and passing were significantly better than Shannon’s as was his shot selection and shooting percentages. The pattern that is emerging is not good news for Sasha as Jordan is locking up most of the point guard back up minutes while Shannon is locking up most of the shooting guard backup minutes. Sasha is obviously the odd man out.
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While I am not yet ready to go over the top on Jordan like Todd does, I do agree that I think Jordan would fit well with the starting unit. I think he would play better and with more confidence as a starter. While I do not think he has proven he should be the starter, I think he has clearly shown that he is the better option at point than Shannon, who just does not handle the ball of make the right passes to play the position. I also thought that Jordan looked very good on defense last night, showing much better pursuit and perseverance. If he keeps playing like this, he may get a chance down the road to show what he could do with a starting role.
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Here’s hoping the Pau will be ready to go at least for a few minutes on Thursday against the Bulls. Of course, the big question will be how shots get distributed with both Drew and Pau finally on the floor together for the first time this year. Will Kobe still take 30 shots? Will Andrew finally get at least 15 shots? So far this season, the Lakers have averaged 86 shots per game with Kobe getting 24, Drew 11, Ron 10, Lamar 9, Fish 7, Josh 6, Shannon 5, Jordan 5, and others combined 9 shots per game. In my mind, the ideal shot distribution would be Kobe 20 shots, Drew 15, and Pau 15 shot per game with the remaining 36 shots going to others.
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When you talk about Big 3’s, the Lakers All-Star Trio stand head and shoulders above any other Big 3 in that Kobe, Drew, and Pau will all be All-Stars and will all in my opinion average over 20 points per game. And unlike most other Big 3’s, all three of the Lakers stars will show up every night. So bring on the Bulls and let’s start the longest winning streak in the storied history of the Los Angeles Lakers. With Pau back on the floor, this team could conceivably set a new record for wins by finishing the season 79-3. Anything is possible.
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I get a beef in watching Shannon wear his errings while being interviewed. I may be an old fashion dude to see the day when kids wear errings and use their bodies as billboards just to gain attention. If you tell the 50 idols like Elvis or James Dean that they should be wearing errings, they would be shocked to death. lol! On the other hand, I cling to liberal ideas that youth should be free to choose their own identities provided they surpass or improve the achievements of their elders.

I like Shannon as a player not because of the vacancy on PG, or Fisher getting older and Farmar on the way out, but more of total package he brings to the floor. Next game, watch closely the defense of Shannon, he looks like mini Ron Ron out there. Watch how he rebounds and secures it with authority and bring it to their own court without any delay and pass it nonchalantly without any flair. Seemingly, he does not pass the ball like Luke or Jordan with a bullet pass to Bynum in the low post which could be 50% success or potential turnover. Shannon passes the ball to Kobe or whoever is near him nonchalantly and get back to his position. These are the little things that Shannon creates which makes him a better player than others. This is why many fans at Staples get excited when Shannon is called upon to play. Of course, he has a tendency to be an entertainer and showboats his lay ups. Last night, he was given a rude awakening by the Maxiel's wall in the clouds. Still, the crowd loved him because he's excitable and very productive too.

"It's a good thing he made most of his shots, otherwise we would be hearing silly criticisms again about what a ballhog Kobe is, how the offense should run through Bynum, and how Kobe just wants to outscore his teammates. "

Shades of Animal Farm LAKER TRUTH. You dare put Kobe above THE BEAST BYNUM?? Kobe is good but he is only human and not above criticism. No one on the Lakers is above criticism not Kobe, not Phil, not Pau except for Drew because he is the BEAST. I think he could have gotten 40 points because while Kobe was jacking up shots and missing, he was freezing the beast out offense Drew was more efficient at that time! How dare you and Kobe make Drew score only 17 points! This is Bynum's team Kobe will only be the option for 2 more games. Bynum is the 2nd option and will be the first soon just like he was last season! Shame on you LAKER TRUTH :). (This was another joke but I will stop now since the point has been made).

In any case,

Tim....Sasha is shooting 36% atm from the field. Last game in the 4th quarter he missed all but one of his bricks. I hardly would qualify that as "The Return of the Machine". And Sasha's PT truly opened up when Trevor broke his foot since Phil didn't have much faith in Vlad or Luke in crunch time forcing Kobe to play the 3 more and THAT opened up PT for Sasha. With Luke's injury that could happen again but I wouldn't bank on it considering how Shannon has been playing.

Fisher should be getting Ron Harper minutes, circa 2001-2002.

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>>> Those of you clamoring for UPS to get those minutes, please notice that Phil Jackson has been
>>> playing Shannon consistently as a 2. The coach recognizes what I've been saying for weeks.
>>> That's where UPS most benefits the Lakers.
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Absolutely right on, Rick. Jordan was superb last night. 4-9 shooting vs. 4-12 for Shannon. 4 assists vs. 0 for Shannon. 1 turnover vs. 2 for Shannon. What can UPS do for us? Not much as a point guard. Shannon is our backup shooting guard. He just needs to stop shooting brick jumpers where he is floating sideways.
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>>> However, I did want to say to Laker Tom - your boy is playing well. I give you credit for sticking
>>> with him - I have been a naysayer for a long time. But I will also give credit where due.
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LOL, PLG. As most of the Bynum Believers will tell you, we KNOW what Drew can do because he has done it before so there is little risk in rooting for him to do it again. He is also just starting to take advantage of his great skills. Remember, he is still just 22 years old and already is the #4 most efficient player in the NBA right now and one of only two players in the entire league to average better than 20/10. Last night was his 6th straight double-double and 9th straight game in double figures. In fact, counting 6 pre-season games, Drew has now scored double figures in every single game he has played this year – 15 straight games. And he has posted double-doubles in 13 of those 15 games. That is consistency. That is All-Star performances.
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>>> Either Kobe, Pau or Bynum should be on the floor at ALL times, never a lineup of Mbenga,
>>> Powell, Artest, Sasha and Farmar
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>>> It's time to open up the opportunity for Farmar, UPS, and even Sasha - they can perform,
>>> give them the chance dammit.
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I am starting to come to the same conclusion but I know part of it is my desire to see Fish hang up his sneakers and become a Lakers assistant coach so that he can take over when Phil leaves in a few years. I seriously think the best move the Lakers might make is to have Fish retire and join the coaching staff after this year. Not only would we be able to take advantage of his expiring $5M contract (worth $10M in savings) but we would have solved the BIGGEST AND MOST SERIOUS ISSUE that the Lakers will confront in the next 5 years – how to replace the irreplaceable Phil Jackson. What better choice than the player that 30% of NBA general managers chose as the most likely to become a great NBA head coach? Guess that puts me on the Retire Fish and Bring Him Back as an Assistant Coach Bandwagon. LOL. And yes, Farmar would be the one to become the starter.
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Charles is right. Fish shouldn't be playing more than 20 minutes a night. Let Farmar have the reigns with the starters and see how he can do.

got to give Farmar his props. Maybe he heard some of the Iverson talk? What Farmar did in the first half is what Iverson COULD do if he set his mind to it but if Farmar is going to play like that, what do we need Iverson for?

- C'mon Jordan! We're BEGGING you to step up and play like that ALL THE TIME. That PG position is yours if you can do that consistently.

This is getting sort of interesting, almost; For the record, I wasn’t in the game chat last night. I actually went back and read the chat, though. I’m a little disappointed in some of you. It would have thought I established a higher standard (ok, lower standard, but whatever) of in game chat- No tacky one liners? No random and badly sung cheesy 80’s music? Not even a slightly alcohol fueled seven paragraph rant about Luke haters and panicky nellies? Try harder, dude.

Of course, then I read this;

“Well, To my surprise, during tonights live game chat, guess who showed up, me!! The only thing is that I was working and arrived home for the second half. One day, I'm going to come home, and find my wife serving my dinner to this Imposter, then I will know finally that the Twilight Zone was for real.

Posted by: phred | November 17, 2009 at 08:53 PM “

I have to give him (or her or it) a little credit for that one, at least it took some thought and didn’t conjure images of the worlds most boring commenter accidently leaving his name tag reading ‘phred’ like the in game chat. But still no real eye for pastiche or satire, let alone a convincing imitation-

I mean job? Wife? Was I so upset by my fortune 500 company only showing a 34 Billion profit that I not only missed the game but neglected to stop by and spend some time with my mistress before coming home? Come on, do some research if you want to be taken seriously.

And of course, there is one other little thing

THE LOVE

THE LOVE WOULD SUGGEST TRYING SOMETHING WITH EITHER A NICE TRENDY “FROM THE HEADLINES” SORT OF THING, LIKE “WE ARE STILL WAITING FOR THE LUKE WALTON AND MAGIC JOHNSON CSI “THE LOVE” GUEST APPEARANCES, OR AN OBSCURE POP CULTURE REFERENCE, MAYBE SOMETHING LIKE “CHARLIE DON’T GOT THE LOVE, AND QUITE OFTEN THE LOVE SMELLS LIKE VICTORY IN THE MORNING, UNLESS IT HAS BEEN SLEEPING WEARING ONLY ITS CHANEL NO 5! SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

IT IS ALL ABOUT THE LOVE!

GO LAKERS!

There, now go and try to do better next time. I’ll try to make the game chat so I can give some useful advice. Since I don’t want to confuse anybody, you can be phred, I’ll be using the name ‘pfunk’

Laker Tom,

As you noted, Farmar is the better playmaker and ballhandler. The second unit, which does not have anyone who can create their own shot, needs these skills more so than the first unit. The first unit already has THREE excellent playmakers in Kobe, Gasol and Artest.

For the first unit, Kobe is the one that reads the defenses and calls the plays (it is not Phil, nor is it Fish). The ball needs to be in the hands of our best playmakers, Kobe and Pau, to insure that the defenses are read properly and the correct decisions are made. This unit is in much less need of a ball handling playmaker like Farmar. What this unit needs is someone who can play well off the ball, hit the open shot, finish on the fast break, and play solid defense - all attributes than Shannon Brown can provide. If anyone starts over Fish, Shannon Brown is the better fit.

Good Morning Charles....Good Morning Everyone...

well that was good for whatever ail's ya...

extra cool to watch this team when they are motivated and actually try resonably hard...but after all this is only pre season for the Lakers, so ergo the disinterest from time to time...

like Stu, I like when that Kobe dude mixes up his attack, driving, posting, facilitating, shooting etc.

we are quite a different team when Lamar is focused and trying hard to use the talents he keeps frustratingly buried...thanks Lamar...guess his blood sugar levels are balanced when he seems like he is aware of what is going on and what is expected of him, either that or the chronic wasn't too chronic or maybe vice versa...

there is this beast like tall dude on our team...and now he's starting to play defense and rebound consistently, bummer for the rest of the league I say...

Stu or Joel said we are 25th in the league in free throw proficiency---that really sucks raw rectal tissues---don't they know it drives Floyd right out of his little gourd?

is over 80% free throwing just my pipe dream---can't our players embrace it? do they even give a rats rosey red one? WTF?

as I said before, there wiil be a few games where we just play like crap and get the said crap beat right out of us (see Houston and Dallas and Denver games)---but ALL the rest of our losses will come down to poor free throwing---an avoidable reality seemingly if someone would just practice and concentrate---enough ranting, sorry...

I won't be surprised when Sasha is traded away, but I would like to see him come into his own this year and do what we need him to do instead...

Shannon needs a lot more minutes, Captain Obvious (the previous statement should be multiplied by a warp factor of 6.9 to the power of 11 (Nigel) or so)

Kwame is the very defintion of hands of stone, head full of rocks and calves of steel---look it up...

everybody in the entire free world should adopt Ben Wallace's chinny chin chin thang...

there's actually a dude from Sweden in the NBA? ya suure! I did know that those Vikings played basketball way back in the time machine Mr. Peabody, but they used heads instead of the Spalding models as it were, seemingly...

Pau's return on Thursday seems too good to be true, hope it isn't...

"standing on the cast iron shore yeah"

"I happen to know that this is the Lupen Express"

AS ALWAYS, AS EVER, YET ANOTHER GREAT DAY (AND CAHMPIONSHIP SEASON) TO BE A LAKER FAN !!!

GO LAKERS !!!

LakerTom,

I agree with your ideal shot distribution breakdown. However, I disagree with you on Jordan vs Shannon. I think Shannon fits the triangle much better than Farmar does. Shannon can potentially be a Ron Harper (albeit more athletic than an older Harper) or Brian Shaw for the Lakers.

I can see the Lakers posting more of those smaller point guards if Brown is on the floor more often. That would make those smaller point guards work more on defence and therefore have less energy for offence. It's kind of like what Kobe did to Richard Jefferson against the Suns. Kobe posted the hell out of him and it tired Jefferson. Watch old Bulls games, they used to do it all the time to smaller guards. Part of the reason why they never needed a Jordan Farmar.

Farmar would be a better backup because he would change the pace of the game when he comes in. As the reserves leader, the Lakers would be a better run and gun team than the starting unit. He could come in and give the Lakers a spark and a different game.

- Hector

BK - "Not that the healing kept Phil Jackson from skewering Gasol and his guest spot on CSI: Miami."

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My BAD.

I cited Heisler as the source for Phil's hammy on wry when it was the KBros who deserved full credit all along for their original, excellent reportage + probing on the ways of Phil.

So what's Heisler's excuse?

This isn't the 1st time where His Highslerness failed to attribute where attribution was due or even required.

Are LAT columnists exempt from journalistic conventions for sourcing or attribution? Or is this just a lord-serf thing (i.e., futilely feudal) between "columnists" and bloggers?

Expiring minds (might) wanna know.

OK. We won THIS game. But, just observing our "benchmob" + Fisher. Please look at the team stats! It's "shocking" to say the least. For about $27.5 million dollars a year, we get about 25 points per game. I couldn't believe it. But look at it:

Lamar - 9.9 - 7.5mil
Fisher - 5.7 - 5.0mil
Walton- 3.7 - 4.8mil
Sasha - 2.2 - 5.0mil
Morrison - 2.3 5.2mil

I see this as a team that can't judge talent. The three loses so far this year is directly attributed to this. If Mamba doesn't score 40pts, we lose. Period. I know Pau will help a lot, but almost 30 million a year is being WASTED on this group of players. It's time for a trade, and it's time for Farmar to replace Fisher in the lineup. Every point guard we face has a career high against Fisher.....

DJ_LAKER_FAN

DJ- What does Mitch have to do to make Laker fans happy? "This team can't judge talent." ... Oh boy where to start, where to start. Lets see, Mitch has rightly traded a fat, expensive team cancer Shaq. Turned him into LO & Caron. Turned Caron into Kwame- then turned him (and wonderful late round picks Marc Gasol& Critter) into P Gasol. Got rid of Cook (with his bad contract) for Ariza! Got rid of Vlade (and his bad contract) for UPS and Morrison (who's contract expires this year) Drafted Bynum when everyone wanted freaking Sean May for some reason. Made the best move of his career for resisting the urge to trade Bynum for some washed up vet like J-Kidd or JO.

Sure we overpaid Walton and Sasha- but given Mitch's recent track record I think that he does have just a bit of an eye for talent. Fish was also a great FA signing. Sure he is slow, does not know how to make a simple post entry pass, is slow, sometimes shoots way to soon in the shot clock, is slow... BUT leadership counts for something and our team's fortunes have been WAY WAY up ever since he was signed. Intangibles my friend do have a value and Fish earns every cent.


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