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Lakers 103, Houston 102 (OT): Postgame chat

Well, it took five extra minutes and a lot of anxiety, but the Lakers pulled out back-to-back road wins in Kobe Bryant drives by Trevor Ariza 11.4 overtime, this time against the Houston Rockets.  Like the previous night's muddy, often ugly work in Oklahoma City, there were aspects enjoyable, along with some elements I could have done without.   But it's a win, and I'll always accept a "W" with very little arm twisting.

The Good
  • 24 hours removed from treating the ball like it was a greased pig (26 turnovers vs. Oklahoma City), the Lakers took considerably better care of the rock.  Only nine gaffes this time around. In a game where you don't play even close to your best, it helps to minimize the damage on some level. By contrast, Houston had nineteen turnovers. 
  • Some terrific defensive teamwork by Derek Fisher and Andrew Bynum on high screen and roll coverage down the fourth quarter stretch, which sparked dry Houston possessions. The Lakers then capitalized, which allowed them get back into the game and force the bonus period.  While the defense was anything but perfect on the night, it definitely got better as the game progressed.
  • Despite some missed assignments and bunnies, Drew's 17/17 effort was pretty strong. 
  • 41 points for Kobe Bryant, with six in OT.  As the minutes increased, so did the degree of difficulty for many of those shots.  There's a reason the guy is often referred to as the game's best closer.
  • "Traded" players Ron Artest and Trevor Ariza trading threes to force OT.  You can't script that stuff, but you'd sure like to, so it's awesome when real life has a sense of drama.
  • Not an incredible effort from the bench, but trending upward.
  • Getting 'er done.  Bottom line.

The Not as Good

  • Houston beating the Lakers 54-48 on the glass, with seventeen offensive boards.  It's a team of midgets.  Granted, they're midgets talented at rebounding, but they're also just a crew of hustlers.  You have to expect that and meet the energy.  The Lakers didn't and allowed way too many second and third chances.  And on a related note, too many layups.
  • By and large, the ball movement was stagnant, with way too few looks inside to capitalize on LA's size advantage.
  • Fisher: 0-5 with a goose egg in the scoring column.  Granted, he had some huge plays in critical moments (including defense and a steal on Houston's final possession), but they needed more from him on the offensive end.  And his overall D on Brooks was spotty.
  • Allowing Carl Landry to score 20 off the bench and Chuck Hayes to score 14... period. 
  • Lamar Odom's first half.  1-8 for a trio of points.  Ouch!
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AK

 
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Fisher often has issues with Brooks, but the big on the screen and roll-usually Drew- needs to come up sooner and communicate every time. That being said, Drew's length has helped on crucial plays in the last two games.

The effort of Lamar and Drew on the boards leaves something to be desired for stretches of the game. With that size I wish the effort was there like Landry and other similar types.

Those Bryant step through moves and up and unders are incredibly quick and he seems to have added to the repetoire-possibly incorporated Dream moves already or tweaked what he was doing previously?

The beginning of the fourth is a concern as the squad that is out there not only has difficulty scoring, but doesnt defend either.

Good to see Trevor and his never ending hustle.

BLOG CRUE
I'll take the dubya anytime. However, the starters played too long. I guess they had to but I'd like to see the PINE CRUE do more. The games have been all business with little time to relax. This pace needs to change ASAP.

Nine days 'till I see the Lake Show live @ the Coke Center.

Colorado loves our World Champion Lakers!

ps-- the Dodger killers died tonight.

very strange game reeking of irony as it were---Artest and Ariza trading threes, all sorts of goings on, almost too much for my brain, as it were...

I was waiting for Brian Cook to hit the winning shot in overtime...I would have fell on my spork and ended it all right there...

I know I have said it before (and no doubt I will say it again)....wait for it....MAKE YOUR FREE THROWS AND WIN THE GAME (outright in this case)---practice men, practice, practice till yer fingers bleed and your spleens rupture

does Lamar ever jump on defending the low post--ever?

as the K Bros aluded to, I couldn't for the life of me figure out why the hell we didn't exploit our height advantage and feed Bynum the ball in the low post every stinking time down, even if he just passed it back out---this game and it's match up advantage was not rocket science (no pun intended), brain surgery or bicycle repair...

didn't know so many comedians played in the NBA:

Bynum = Tracey Morgan

Brooks= Chris rock

Anderson=Tom Green

Adleman=Adolf Hitler

also Antonio Banderas's ugly brother Scola should do some stand up with just his hair for the source of belly laughs--his hair makes Sasha's old hairdo seem real legit indeed, hopefully Sasha grows his back out as the haircut thing ain't cutting it (pun intended, sorry)...

Shane Battier still has the NBA's smallest forehead and I think it's shrinking every minute...

does Houston even have any white guys---are they in violation of league rules to at least be handicaped by one or two at least?---oh yeah they do have Tom Green so no need to write those letters to Stu Jackson...but they didn't play that guy much, so maybe they are testing League rules indeed...

tough road trip that proved to be quite an intestinal fortitute test for the Champs....these things feed the Dynasty---HUZAH !!!

AS ALWAYS, AS EVER, YET ANOTHER GREAT DAY (AND CHAMPIONSHIP SEASON) TO BE A LAKER FAN !!!

GO LAKERS !!!

I said a day earlier that I’d be interested in seeing how we play against Houston’s fast guards without TA. TA worked wonders for us last year in helping stop those fast guards with his speed. This year, without TA we obviously struggled.

A combination of UPS and Jordan Farmar just could not get it done. There was enough mix of Artest in there but often times we went small instead.

Conclusion? It’s worrisome. I’m looking for us to effectively counter and plug this hole in the coming year…especially with Pau back that gives us more depth but in the meantime fast guards will continue to be a problem.

I’d like to see us use that same TA-UPS strategy we employed last year but with Kobe instead. It would expend more energy on his behalf but with Pau back it shouldn’t be a problem much offensively. Artest can and has speed but I think for trapping purposes and steal purposes (which is what Trevor did last year) it’ll be a better fit with Kobe. Artest might get a foul called being reputed to be a “tough defender.” Kobe, hopefully not lol.

Bynum had a horrific defensive moment when he did not help out Fisher on a Brooks pick and roll, leading to a wide open Brooks three. BUT Bynum came back with two GREAT helps on the screen and roll. They were textbook. Good job Bynum. Play defense and Phil gonna leave you in in crunch time. Also 3-4 aint' bad from the line down the stretch. Overall, impressive game for bynum.

Bryant. the best finisher. but maybe a little bit too much complaining.

I "PERSONALLY" will pick up Pau Gasol and drive him to the next Lakers game. Seriously, tell me where and when, and I'm there. The Lakers need and miss him, big time.


THE 81-1 BANDWAGON…
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Everybody knows we old timers are not big fans of multi-tasking and right now I feel like someone forced to watch a ping pong ball being hit back and forth as my head swiveled from Mo coming in to pitch with the Yankees 5 outs away from their 27th World Series victory back to the Lakers heading into 0vertime on the road for the second night in a row. Try as hard as I could, I still missed key plays from both games. Fortunately, the Yankees and Lakers both triumphed. Talk about making my day.
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I thought tonight was another great game from Kobe, in some ways almost a carbon copy of last night’s game but with a higher percentage and only 2 turnovers. Another 41 point game with 6 boards, 4 assists, 4 steals, and a pair of incredibly clutch fade away jumpers at the end that showed why Kobe is the best closer in the league. More than anything, Kobe was ferocious at both ends, imposing his will on the game over and over. Complain all you want about a few forced shots but acknowledge that Kobe Bryant led his team to another tough victory. Another MVP performance.
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Tonight was also Drew’s best game of the season. It was also a good test of tall ball because not many teams will give the Lakers a bigger contrast in size and speed and hustle than the Rockets, as the Lakers learned during last year’s playoffs. Drew was a major force at both ends of the court tonight, scoring 17 points, including 3 clutch free throws with the game on the line, a season high 17 rebounds, season-high 5 dimes, and season-high 3 blocked shots. Drew should have had another basket and rebound but for 2 questionable offensive fouls that nullified a great rebound and low-post move.
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In the end, it was turnovers that really decided this game – and Kobe Bryant, of course. You have to give the Rockets some credit. They may be the fastest team out there and the game was a classic speed and quickness versus height and length. The 11-2 edge in steals and 9-19 edge in turnovers pretty much tell you which philosophy prevailed. And while the hustling Rockets won the rebound battle, I saw a lot of incredibly lucky bounces go their way off the boards, especially at the offensive end.
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Our starting forwards once again had excellent nights, filling the stat sheets and making clutch plays. The bench was a little better than last night but it was still not up to par. We may well see a big shift in scoring from the bench to the Big 5 – Kobe, Drew, Pau, Ron, Lamar. Fish and the backup guards continue to shoot poorly and play without great confidence. Tonight, the bench looked like a bunch of slower older guys chasing a bunch of faster younger guys. Hopefully, when Pau returns and Lamar reverts to his 6th man role, that will give the bench the kick in the rear that it obviously needs.
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The overtime-forcing clutch 3’s made by the trade twins Artest and Ariza were somehow just what both teams wished for as the “trade” was made. I was happy for both players – well, just as long as the Lakers won the game in the end. I still contend that Artest for Ariza was more of a coup than a trade and that the Lakers front office choreographed the entire affair to optimize public relations for the team. I think once Artest became available, Ariza was gone as far as the Lakers were concerned. David Lee played into the Lakers hands when he misread the situation and tried hardball tactics.
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Here’s hoping Pau is ready to go against brother Marc Friday night and we will have our team back. Pau’s return will give the Lakers their that 3rd 20-point per game scorer to go with Kobe and Pau. Remember: a win is a win is a win. This team can still finish 81-1. Like KG said, anything’s possible.
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For Inquiring Minds who want to know:

Forgive the pun...but it would not take a 'Rocket Scientist' to guess that the *NEW* "Championship Caliber Haircut" sported by Mr. Ron Artest for tonight's game at Houston actually does spell out: L A K E R S

The mystery writing is in Korean.

Korean is a phonetic language, with vowels and consonants forming words. As an illustration, with the Chinese language, if one does NOT know the MEANING of the character, one cannot even pronounce the word. In contrast, with the Korean language, one can create words, sentences, and paragraphs simply by putting together their consonants and vowels in the 'correct' combinations.

Beautiful in its simplicity.

As for the WHY of Ron Artest paying homage to his Korean fans by spelling out "LAKERS" on the side of his head, without hearing from him directly, we can only guess.

Los Angeles does happen to be home to the largest Korean population outside of the actual Korean peninsula. Simply surviving for so many difficult years between the two Asian 'super-powers' of Japan and China has forged a historically fierce and indomitable spirit among the Korean people.

Perhaps the food they favor (intensely hot and spicy) is also symbolic of their various passions and lust for life. They work very hard and oftentimes play even harder.

Could Brutha Ron have picked up on this during his time in Asia this past Summer? Could he have felt a certain kinship with the hot-blooded (and yes, hot-tempered) Korean People? Perhaps Andrew and Brian could ask Artest to share his thoughts and feelings on this topic...

P & G R

This is beginning of the new Laker season and I am not feeling easy about the way the Lakers and especially Fisher, Bynum, and the rest of the bench crew have been playing. Fisher needs to be replaced and soon. Bynum is immature and has not improved in two years or so. He still cannot handle the ball and his rebounding is horrible. He still cannot jump and make those under the basket shots. Forget about Farmar, Sasha, Powell, BJ. Morrison should be shipped out as soon as possible. I hope the Laker tea wakes up because Denver is in town next week and they will not hold back. Come on Lakers, let's wake up.

what's the advantage on lakers part on RA/TA swap? it's RA not guarding Kobe. the skills between the two would even out but Kobe doing the work and not hounded by RA is a big advantage. =)


Floyd,
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>>> I was waiting for Brian Cook to hit the winning shot in overtime...
>>> I would have fell on my spork and ended it all right there...
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LMAO, Floyd. That was exactly the same thought I had when he came in. And I agree with your thoughts about working the ball inside to Drew more. He is still struggling a little to get off the ground but getting better. I think by the All-Star break we will start to see the old hops return. There were a couple of boards tonight where Drew spread out very beast-like to gobble the rebound.
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Fans just have to realize that Drew is still only 22 and not even fully grown yet. He still has too much of a “colt” in him at times. And you cannot expect a guy his size to have the quickness and energy of a much smaller player. There is only one Dwight Howard, a big man with a smaller man’s quickness.
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Drew’s game is smooth footwork, sweet moves, great hands and touch, and height and length. He still has not learned how to handle the jostling he is getting in the post. I also think he is getting frustrated with some of the calls. He made a great spin move and defender bounced off his hip and they called Drew for an offensive foul and then technical. That was clearly a defensive foul or no call in the NBA.
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Does anyone else think the team looks pretty out of sync on offense. No ball movement, lots of iso's for Kobe, not a lot of movement to the rim (also no fouls called when we get hammered, which may have something to do with it). The one good thing is Kobe is hitting his shots at a fair clip. He really does look like he's rested. He's operating out of the post a bunch, which is good.


I don't think you can just put this on Artest, because it looks sloppy when he's on the bench, too. Maybe it's just me.


It's nice to see Drew playing this well this early, last season he had a sluggish start and seemed out of rhythem from the get-go and didn't find his game until mid-season, when he promptly got hurt. He had a rough first half and was upset by a lack of calls, but it didn't stop him from leaving an imprint on the game.


I gots to agree with Hugo Boss, we need more bench.

Floyd -

Your post made me laugh. Multiple times. Good on ya.

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I was in class tonight so I missed the game. But I was nervously following on my phone despite sitting in the front row of class. That was tricky business.

I'm excited for Pau to come back so we can see what this team can do at full strength. No more of this dilly-dallying with inferior opponents!

Faith- I guess trevor wasn’t horrible against Houston last year, but I think Bill Artest helped us more last year too.

Yeah, that adolf hitler was a riot. And nobody talks about how much he liked to dance.

I’m really pretty impressed by just about everything artest is doing off the court. He obviously has a great deal of interest in other countries and cultures, and I suspect also maybe their food, as Korean food, like Filipino food, is great.

P & GR,

Great observation. As a Korean-American myself, I was pleasantly surprised to see "Lakers" shaved into his head in Korean. I'm also curious to find out what motivated him to do that. Anyhow, never a dull moment with Ron around.

Do you think Kobe feels better now?

Like I've said before,Fisher is the worst point guard in the league if you look at numbers,against houston he has no points and no assists and played over 30 minutes,not to mention we're five games into the season and he's attempted not a single free throw,any other coach in this league would see this and give someone else a shot but not Phil,the zen master(blah)Farmar or Brown should be the starting point for this team,or at least compete for this job, but if you look at numbers Fisher should be 3rd on the depth chart for point. Hopefully someone is reading my posts and can see what's relevant,he is really hurting this team,no disrespect to Fisher, he's a great guy and would probably be alot better with the second unit but he will continue to hurt the Lakers until they make a change ! LAKERS LOVE ALWAYS !

- great game. Still can't believe we gave up so many offensive boards and uncontested layups (Hayes had a sub 40% FT average last year and about seven layups WTF???!!!).

- I think we all hoped that coming into this season we could get to a place where we would be able to preserve Kobe's legs for post season. So far, we've done just the opposite. These last five games may be the most Kobe-intensive opening five in Kobe's career.

- Artest/Ariza trading3s was just so cool

- Sciola is easily easier to hate than Sasha (would be if I wasn't a Laker fan who roots for all Lakers to succeed). I mean that objectively!

I just read on Kevin Ding's twitter that Bynum couldn't lift his right elbow over his head as he tried to get dressed after the game, and that he may have sprained it on the last play of the game?? He's apparently having an MRI on it tomorrow...jeez!

another tough back-to-back overtime win for the purple and gold. again, at times it wasn't pretty, but it still resulted in a "W"! the lakers know how to win in crunch time and that's what separates them from the rest of the pack. has L.A. ever won back-to-back road overtime games? i hope some stat geek will do the research for that! anyhow, the starting 5 seems to be the only ones that can score. we're going to need the bench sooner or later. kobe, lamar, drew, artest can't keep playing 45 minutes every game. sooner or later it will catch up with them. gasol will be back soon, then lamar can return to being a 6th man. maybe the reserves will feed off of l.o.'s return to being a member of the "bench mob"! here in arizona the nba channel was teasing me all night long going back and forth with cut-in's to the game. but alas, 9:30pm mst came.....then they went to ahmad rashad show, right as the game was starting o.t......are you kidding me! as delonte west has said, "how player was that"?????

I guess it we should be glad the got a win but the truth is that I am feeling quite concerned. Love my team but they are playing sub par at best, energy is flat, deffence is shotty, the bench is MIA, and the starters are having to play too many minutes to carry the dead weight. Given the amount of tallent on this team(at least on paper)the Lakers should have rolled over the Thunder and Rockets. Instead they had to struggle through 2 overtime wins with teams that aren't even the likely to make the playoffs this year. It's always great to see Kobe drop 40+ but I think he is working way to hard and playing too many minutes too early in the season as are all the starters. I know we are all waiting for Gasol to come back, but as he has just gotten cleared to practice, it will probably still be a while before his conditioning is back to par and gets his game legs back under him. So it will be interesting to see if Phill Jackson still has the mojo to light a fire under their asses and get this team into shape. Personally I think it is going to require a shake up in the front office. Mitch knows Fisher needs help and is probably going to be working the phones and the calculator hard for the next couple of weeks.

some more postgame comments:

-- LUKE TRACKER: once again luke makes an immediate impression on the game. game is seesaw for all 3 qtrs and LUKE CHECKS IN with lakers down 66-64 with 2:50min left in the 3rd... rockets then immediately go on their FIRST RUN of the game and stretch their lead and when LUKE CHECKS OUT lakers were now down 80-73 with 10:07 left in 4th... thx to luke game shouldve been out of reach at that point but our starters fought back and kobe had to take over once again... THESE NUMBERS DONT LIE if you dont believe me watch the game over.

-- DFISH TRACKER: dfish was once again ICE COLD from the field... he was clearly fatigued trying to stay with brooks and adelman being the great coach that he is kept exploting that matchup over and over by putting brooks one on one in open court. DFISH final statline 34 MIN 0 pTS 0-5 FG 0 reb 0 assts.. now are you wondering why this game was so close?? dfish could be shooting 0-20 from the field and he will always play the bulk of the minutes cause phils system has never been based on whos hot or actually deserves the minutes but on complete seniority. unbelievable!

-- all things considered a very gritty and hard fought victory... these lakers are showing us just how resilient and tough they are becoming.. artest sure has a lot do with this.. they could get hit in the mouth but they'll keep fighting back every time.

-- great game by bynum... he really needs this game experience the last 5 minutes of the game for his mental game to develop and i worry that when gasols back bynum will once again be ridin the pine during crunch time.

-- is it just me or does scola look like that dude from that movie mask from the 80s? LOL...

That was hilarious Floyd!
Good observation Faith. We need Shannon to give us what we got from Trevor last year in terms of defending quick opponents. UPS certainly has the ups, remains to be seen whether he has Ariza's b-ball IQ w/c I think is very high.
I think we really need KB to focus on the offensive end this year and his days of chasing quick PGs /sd only be used now in special situations such as end game.
I like the colt description by LakerTom of Drew. Very appropriate.

Yikes- another Drew injury just as he finishes his best game of the season so far! Did someone put a curse on this kid or what?
Quick, get a witch doctor to undo it!

Your Laker starting center...from The Belgian Congo.....

yep, the Bynum elbow strain is on the Lakers.com site. i just pray it's minor.

Fisher had the most important stat of the game.........

The steal for the win.... Thats all that matters.

Happy for the OT win Wednesday night. It was an exciting game to watch for many reasons, especially the Ariza-Artest aspect.

I do want to take a moment to comment on our Lakers point guards. First, Fisher's intangibles, which can't be measured. But let's not overlook Farmar's bounceback, after a horrible game the night before in OKC. Jordan was 2 of 3 for 5 points in 16 minutes. He had 3 assists, 3 rebounds and a steal. While not flawless, he was active on both ends of the court. Considering that most of his minutes were played without the Lakers' A-Team, Farmar had a pretty solid game. While he's anything but a favorite here on the blog, let's give the guy his due.

It's fair to anticipate that Friday's game will be another tough one. The guys will still be tired after back-to-back overtime outings. The benefits of playing on the home court could easily be offset by the two game road trip grind.

That said, the team comes home after winning two games other teams might have lost. We've seen the meaning of "heart of a champion." Go Lakers!

Good Morning JustAnotherMambaFan, LakerTom & the rest of the Crue'.
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TO THE VICTOR GOES THE SNACK
If you’re not hungry you gone get eaten, Stay contented & you will be beaten
Just because you won last year, Does not mean you can coast in 2ND gear
No team will give you any slack, Decide to Defend & watch your back
There are nasty monsters looking for you, Some are dripping with Green Goo.
The Boston Septics are on a Crusade, To kill your plans for another June parade
You may not like them but listen well, Either get better or this Dynasty will fail
“The Truth” no longer uses a wheel chair, he suddenly seems to have grown a pair
“Black Jesus(Allen) can’t make wine from water, but he’ll make you pay if on D you loiter
The Bald headed giant is still a fool, but so far he’s taken all his opponents to school
So Lakers & Septics in the Finals may meet, Don’t get cocky, your @zz can be beat
This may all come down to the bench you see, The Septics upgraded, why didn’t we.
I hate to say it, but this is a fact, The Septics have reloaded & now are back
Forget the victories you had in the past, Many teams now have brand new cast
Forget Princess Jimmy & Orlando too, They don’t present any threat to you.
The biggest threat for you this year, lies smack between your own 2 ears
Yes it’s the mind I’m talking about, the talent is there of that there’s no doubt
The mind is the key to the whole thing, Get that right and you’ll get that ring.
Kobe’s still hungry & Ron Ron too, Does the hunger still burn in the rest of you?
Do you still have that Laker Pride, Or are you just here along for the ride
Well I guess in June we will all see, Will you be the Victor or the Snackee

Artest should start promoting his haircut as the new billboard craze in LA, it conforms with the law of Trutanich of no neon signs. He started last night with korean characters haha, next will be LA cuisine.

Here is my observation on Artest, how come he does not get injuries on those hard fouls, bumps while Drew gets injured with the slightest touch? Is it because Artest has gone to the sewers while Drew goes with 1st class trainers and calisthenics in carrying playboy bunnies. Drew is good center and at 22 year old frame too young to feel the problem of oldies. He needs to muscle-up like Kwame if he wants to be long lasting in NBA. Had another sprain on the foul of Hayes or just sore hands. Gosh, he has just played five games of the season and there is 77 more to go. He has been propped up in this blog as the next Hercules, again as we try to notice him, depend on his important role another set back!

>>He needs to muscle-up like Kwame if he wants to be long lasting in NBA. Posted by: Edwin Gueco | November 05, 2009 at 07:56 AM >>

He may muscle up but he will never have those "Magnificent Calves"!

Jordan was 2 of 3 for 5 points in 16 minutes. He had 3 assists, 3 rebounds and a steal. While not flawless, he was active on both ends of the court. Considering that most of his minutes were played without the Lakers' A-Team, Farmar had a pretty solid game. While he's anything but a favorite here on the blog, let's give the guy his due. Posted by: Rick Friedman | November 05, 2009 at 07:13 AM

You sir are a True Lakers Fan. Therefore I'm sorry Rick but I have to say it...
OUT FREAKIN STANDING!!
MAMBA24

ITS TIME FOR DEREK FISHER TO GO TO THE BENCH

DEREK SHOULD BENCH HIMSELF IF HE HAD ANY SENSE OF HONOR

PHIL, LOYALTY IS ONE THING, STUPIDITY IS ANOTHER

A TRIPLE GOOSE EGG YESTERDAY

START A DAMN BANDWAGON, FISHER MUST SIT

THE FISH MUST SIT
THE FISH MUST SIT
THE FISH MUST SIT

The reserves made some improvement in the first half but in the last quarter when the Rockets lead mushroomed to 7 pts., PJ immediately replaced them. Their pace is still inconsistent and could not support the starters. From Game 1 to this date, this has been the subject matter of the blog - how to make the bench - a mob not flakes? The Lakers Flu will be incurable until the three old veterans namely: Walton, Vujacic and Farmar can fully support the starters. Stop those turnovers and play the fundamentals like defense and rebounds, is that too much to ask?

It was reported that Sasha bought a posh condo in West Hollywood worth 2.1M, not bad for a 5th year player to be comfortable with LA life. This is the 2nd year of his new contract and the machine hasn't contributed to both offense and defense in the young season. After abandoning his rock star hairdo, we envisioned him to be the Laker version of the microwave but he turned into a Slovenian refrigerator. We are still waiting for Sasha to make those threes consecutively and consistently.

FArmar was reported not happy with his role with the Lakers, no confidence of the starter role, so he does not join the team except on practices and actual game. He can't act as a prima donna if he's not productive. He needs to suck it up, grow up from here and do something with his bad image. Progress comes from inner self and displayed it outwardly until he conquers those demons that causing his slump and miscues. Being Jewish, he's not entitled to privileges, he should work harder and be proud in representing that rich heritage. He won't achieve anything if he turned to being rebellious with the team and snobbish to his teammates.

Luke is doing a p/r promotion on the elimination of plastic litters at beaches. That is laudable tho' he is being paid to do such promo. Again, it would be more appealing if he could imitate a fringe of his famous Dad in rebounds and defense and acquire that passion of HOF Bill Walton to win games. He should preserve the Walton legacy and prove that the new generation is better than the old one. If he truly possess a high IQ, he should observe Artest defense, sometimes you learn by observing and imitating.

Good morning Mamba24 & the fabu CRUE!

Whew - another nail biter. I hope these kinds of games are not going to be typical of this season. There's going to be alot of falling on sporks, anti-anxiety meds and ambulance runs if that's the case! (LMAO Floyd!)

Mamba24 - do I have to say it? EXCELLENT poem! You, sir, are the unchallenged Poet Laureate of the LA Times Lakers Blog. Sorry, phred - he's the master! (Although your song parodies run the close 2nd!)

Rick - thanks for pointing out the good in Jordy's game last night. Too many people are too quick to throw him on the garbage heap with Luke, Sasha & Ammo. Come on people - give our white boys a chance! White men really CAN jump! And shoot! And sink free throws! Enough with the overt racism already... :) (I'm just kidding there - no need to send me any hate mail....)

But in all seriousness, our bench needs to get their mojo back. Where did that mojo go? They just had it... Maybe in their other shorts? Someone needs to go on a mojo run.

Ok - so I'm rambling on.... ramble on... Just a little giddy today. Could have a lot to do with that flu shot... Or lack of sleep cuz of the adrenaline rush of that crazy game. Who's to say?

Artest - 3 - time out signal to the crowd. LMAO!!! (Until Trevor - 3 - and then I was pissed off again...) Talk about poetic justice - you can't script stuff like that.

Ok - enough from me. Looking forward to Friday. Will we have anyone dressed & ready to play? At this rate, we'll all be in the hospital ward... sheesh...

GO LAKERS!!

Nothing but another title will suffice.


mamba,
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>>> Do you still have that Laker Pride, Or are you just here along for the ride
>>> Well I guess in June we will all see, Will you be the Victor or the Snackee.
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Bravo, Larry. You are our residing poet laureate. That last line could also have read
“Will you be the Snacker or the Snackee?” Nothing better than Lakers vs. Celtics.
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LakerinBC,
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>>> I like the colt description by LakerTom of Drew. Very appropriate.
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It’s good to remember that when colts grow up, they become stallions.
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mud,
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>>> yep, the Bynum elbow strain is on the Lakers.com site. i just pray it's minor.
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Maybe it is because Friday’s game is against Memphis. At least it is not a knee.
There was a play last night where Kobe drove into the key and collapsed his man right into Drew’s legs. Fortunately, Drew immediately backed up and didn’t get injured. I’m praying right now.
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yellofever,
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>>> great game by bynum... he really needs this game experience the last 5 minutes of the game
>>> for his mental game to develop and i worry that when gasols back bynum will once again be
>>> ridin the pine during crunch time.
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It will be interesting to see what happens when Pau comes back. Drew has been invaluable at the end of the last two games. Loved your Luke and DFish trackers but don’t forget about Fish’s excellent plays on defense at the end of the game. Sometimes, stats don’t tell the most important stories.
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Tom

If Drew cannot play with the Grizz and Pau says he's not ready yet, PJ should play more on Josh Powell. I could foresee Lamar playing the Center and short relief from Mbenga. I believe there are two players in the reserves right now that can help the Lakers namely: Josh and Shannon. Fisher should be relieved with those long minutes especially with Grizz fast PG Gay and Mayo, we need young legs.

The game on Friday will be an offensive shoot out from Mayo, Randolf, Gay, Iverson, Carroll, Conley. It is Gunfight at the Ok Corral. I think PJ should try Adam Morrison to contribute on the scoring binge. Lakers need consistent producers if it will be a high scoring game. Since it's at home, PJ could try some experiments on his bench line mixing them with three starters at a time.

It's ADLEMAN

THis wasn't any different last year. We were sloggin' uphill through 7 games against a Houston team that really didn't have anybody on it they'd want on the cover of their team guide.

The Adlemeister has our number from back in the day. He gets Kobe into a single covered personal battle with Battier and we slug it out ugly all night.
Everyone's chasin' on defense leavin' room on the boards and bye bye size advantage. Rick's workin' with less but gettin' the most out of it.


KOBE, BYNUM LEAD LAKERS TO SECOND STRAIGHT OT VICTORY
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Funny, but if you had asked the Rockets, they probably would have thought that Bynum was the one who benefitted from some offseason tutoring from Olajuwon. Bynum, who finished with 17 points and 17 rebounds despite nursing a sprained right elbow, knocked down three free throws in the final 44 seconds of overtime to seal the win.
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"I feel fine," said Bynum, who added three blocks and a team-high five assists. "I tried to play defense the entire game. The elbow [hurts]. I can hardly lift it up."
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Lifting the Lakers to the win was quite enough on this night.
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But in the end, the Lakers had two things the Rockets did not possess -- Bryant and a 7-foot dominator in the post.
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"When he plays like that, it makes it very difficult to try and defend us," said Bryant of Bynum. "Especially when we're going to him on the block and they have to double. It's tough, because he's so long that when he catches it up high you have no choice but to foul him."
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Wait - last time I checked, we only have one loss, and people are coming out en masse to bench D-Fish?

Ease up on the panic button everyone!

>>> Being Jewish, he's not entitled to privileges, he should work harder and be proud in representing that rich heritage.
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Come again?

What does being Jewish (or Christian or Hindu or black or white or both or neither) have to do with it?

I'M MAMBA24 BUT LAKERS WHO THE HELL ARE YOU?
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Boston is undefeated, Denver is too, Is 3rd place now good enough for you.
I know the regular season is very long, so use it to take your skills & hone.
You can’t blame a man for his country to play, but Pau you get paid by the NBA
Maybe if you’d cooled out this summer, you’d be playing, Man what a bummer
Kobe I love you, you are the best, but sometimes pass the ball to the rest
Beast you can score magnificently, But we don’t need scoring we need D.
Lamar’s been married for just a few weeks, don’t let it mess with the Ring you seek
Dfish you’re the rock to steady the gang, but please make the ball do more than clang
Farmar get over it, just play the game, You got talent but waste it, what a d@mn shame
Shannon you’re shinning when given the chance, stay sharp & help us get to the Dance
Sasha please get back your confidence, I know you are not really that dense
Mbenga you bang as good as can be, Now add a Sky Hook & you’d be deadly
Ron Ron I have no cricisim for you, I don’t want to be beaten Black & Blue
Coaches I also have words for you, Not just the Players have improving to do
Whoever the coach is in charge of the D, how about turning up the Intensity
You made a mistake by letting go Kareem, He may block your path to the title one day
10Rings don’t think you I’ll spare, once in a while get out of the d@mn chair
Dr. Jerry Buss what can I say, you’re the best d@mn owner in the NBA
That’s my criticsm of The Laker team, yet I still believe they are the NBA Cream
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TO THE VICTOR GOES THE SNACK
If you’re not hungry you gone get eaten, Stay contented & you will be beaten
Just because you won last year, Does not mean you can coast in 2ND gear
No team will give you any slack, Decide to Defend & watch your back
There are nasty monsters looking for you, Some are dripping with Green Goo.
The Boston Septics are on a Crusade, To kill your plans for another June parade
You may not like them but listen well, Either get better or this Dynasty will fail
“The Truth” no longer uses a wheel chair, he suddenly seems to have grown a pair
“Black Jesus(Allen) can’t make wine from water, but he’ll make you pay if on D you loiter
The Bald headed giant is still a fool, but so far he’s taken all his opponents to school
So Lakers & Septics in the Finals may meet, Don’t get cocky, your @zz can be beat
This may all come down to the bench you see, The Septics upgraded, why didn’t we.
I hate to say it, but this is a fact, The Septics have reloaded & now are back
Forget the victories you had in the past, Many teams now have brand new cast
Forget Princess Jimmy & Orlando too, They don’t present any threat to you.
The biggest threat for you this year, lies smack between your own 2 ears
Yes it’s the mind I’m talking about, the talent is there of that there’s no doubt
The mind is the key to the whole thing, Get that right and you’ll get that ring.
Kobe’s still hungry & Ron Ron too, Does the hunger still burn in the rest of you?
Do you still have that Laker Pride, Or are you just here along for the ride
Well I guess in June we will all see, Will you be the Snackor or the Snackee
(THANK YOU LAKER TOM)
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Nice back 2 back OT wins on the road! The team is not in sync (come back soon El Condor) but they are showing a mental fortitude that is impressive. A couple of years back, the Lakers loose both of these games.

Thank you Laker Tom!

Mamba24 - do I have to say it? EXCELLENT poem! You, sir, are the unchallenged Poet Laureate of the LA Times Lakers Blog. Sorry, phred - he's the master! (Although your song parodies run the close 2nd!)Posted by: justanothermambafan | November 05, 2009 at 08:43 AM

Thank you JustAnotherMambaFan(Head of the Mamba Clan) you are too Kind. But phred is The King!!!
Mamba24

Hey Family,

Sorry for not posting in a while. School, Work and the Internship has rendered me blogless.

Anyways, apparently we miss Pau that much. Perhaps this should be regular season ho-hum drill work, but I'm not worried. Yet that is.

I thought Ron was well behaved and adjusted and he shows signs of improving.

I hope Bynum's elbow is ok. (Is it me or is he arguing with the refs and PJ quite a bit?) Either way, Bynum is legit.

The passing of greatness was evidenced last night.
Por ejemplo:

Kobe has influenced Caron Butler and Trevor Ariza. CB and TA saw the benefit and now their teams are reaping the benefit.

Kobe recognized Hakeem's greatness, now we are going to benefit from the Dream Shake with Kobe Beef.

One...

Fisher has lagged so many Laker minutes in the last 5 games but PJ has a lot confidence of his upside than the minding the downside. He is still the bulldog, old one but still reliable to scare the new kids in the block. One important contribution last night was his defense on Trevor at the last play. The 0-5 ppg is overcome by the intangibles he does for the team. Another one is his leadership to summon his teammates including Kobe, Lamar and Artest and ask them to get focused and win this game. Can Shannon and Farmar emulate that leadership?

Having said that, I am sure the old man Jerry has discussed this with Mitch the current flaws of the Lakers. He is not a stupid owner investing 110m and risk it without reliable support in the point position. It takes time the Lakers wheel to move, they are searching for the right guy at right amount and a team out there is willing to spare. We need Fisher in both scenarios, there is a lot of things to learn from Fisher's experience and his strong will to lead as an old reliable.

Floyd,
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>>> I was waiting for Brian Cook to hit the winning shot in overtime...
>>> I would have fell on my spork and ended it all right there...

rofl Floyd, again, love that post.

i'm still laughing

I love Ron Artest... mainly because he allows the Mamba to be, well, Mamba. It's all good when Kobe plays the lock-down defender but let's face it, he's one of the greatest offensive weapons of all time and there's nothing more beatiful to watch than when Kobe is putting up great shot after great shot. Love it!

PS i hate the Times beat writers
but Mike Bresnahan had a point:

are you guys ready for a possible Odom, Powell, Artest, Bryant, Fisher
starting line-up?
i wouldn't be surprised if Bynum can't go with that sprained elbow.

"LUKE TRACKER: once again luke makes an immediate impression on the game. game is seesaw for all 3 qtrs and LUKE CHECKS IN with lakers down 66-64 with 2:50min left in the 3rd... rockets then immediately go on their FIRST RUN of the game and stretch their lead and when LUKE CHECKS OUT lakers were now down 80-73 with 10:07 left in 4th... thx to luke game shouldve been out of reach at that point" -Yellow

If your observations are to be taken seriously, explain to me why the game wasn't out of reach prior to Luke checking into the game with 2:50 left in the 3rd qtr. Were the starters waiting for Luke to check in the game so they can make him the scapegoat? Maybe Houston believes like you do, that the game was over the minute Luke checked in. Cmon dude..you dont have to like Luke, but if your gonna criticize him, don't make yourself a troll in doing so.

LakerTom- i had the exact same thought- Bynum just doesn't want to play in memphis. I don't think anybody wants bynum to play in memphis. And the way kid brother is playing, it probably won't be fun.


LAKERS TEAM STATS AFTER 5 GAMES…
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points/rebounds/assists - steals/blocks/turnovers – minutes
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Kobe Bryant – 33.2/6.8/3.2 - 3.2/0.4/3.4 – 41.6
Andrew Bynum – 20.0/10.6/2.2 - 1.2/1.2/2.6 – 40.0
Lamar Odom – 12.8/9.6/4.8 – 1.4/0.8/3.2 – 40.4
Ron Artest – 12.0/4.8/3.6 – 1.8/0.6/2.6 – 38.8
Josh Powell – 5.6/2.4/0.2 – 0.0/0.0/0.4 – 10.8
Derek Fisher – 5.0/2.6/2.0 – 2.0/0.2/2.0 – 32.2
Jordan Farmar – 3.8/1.6/1.8 – 0.8/0.0/1.2 – 14.2
Shannon Brown – 3.6/1.6/0.4 – 0.6/0.0/0.6 – 12.4
Luke Walton –2.4/0.8/0.4 – 0.6/0.0/0.2 – 7.8
DJ Mbenga – 1.0/1.2/0.0 – 0.2/0.2/0.2 – 4.6
Sasha Vujacic – 0.8/0.6/0.4 – 0.6/0.0/0.2 – 7.0
Adam Morrison – 0.0/0.0/0.0 – 0.0/0.0/0.0 – 3.0
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fisher needs to do like luke walton last year and ask to be benched. that's the only way he leaves the starting lineup. it's almost 4 on 5 when he's out there. take one for the team fish!

P&GR,

Very astute analysis on Ron's hair. Yes, the writing is in fact Korean. Yes it spells L-A-K-E-R-S in a matter of fashion. Given that Korean and English characters don't have perfect phonetic equivalents it's more literally "Leh-Yi-Ko-Su."

Also, it's often said that L.A. has the largest ethnic Korean population outside the peninsula, but I'd have to say that the title should really go to Jilin, China, which has more. L.A. probably has the largest ethnic Korean population outside Asia.

Yeah, it would be interesting to know why Ron chose to shave Korean characters into his hair. I wonder if his hair stylist is Korean...

Interesting reads from the blog gang this morning. Some comments from the road trip:

The bench mob needs to learn to feed the post, Either the guards want to hog the ball or they can't pass in traffic.

Am I the ony one who thinks the refereeing was crappy in the last two games? Really a homer job.

The results of the Dallas debacle have spread to the rest of the league. Push the lakers around and hack them and the ref's won't call it. Must get tougher.

Can't laugh, Floyd, cuz this is funnier:

Scotty Brooks looks like he's about 13 years old--wasn't he a frickin' Celtic scumbag? - Floyd

Sorry, Floyd, not our scumbag!! Must be someone else's scumbag. Maybe a Cavs scumbag, or a Suns scumbag. Did he make first or second team scumbag, I forgot? How about you send me your all-time scumbag team. I'm sure you'll be fair and include lakers as well!!!

btw - Kevin McHale has forgotten more about basketball than you will ever know. For example, he knew Bynum and Odom wasn't enough for KG. He got 5 players, two of whom start, and a #1 draft pick.( who is their current back up point guard) Not too shabby!!

Posted by: Giant Green Bald-Headed Lunatic | November 04, 2009 at 03:12 PM

Before we started the season my one comment was that we had almost no shooters on this team, and we had one of the worst benches in the league...so far so good...this bench is horrible...what has happened to Jordan and Sasha...ever since Sasha got his contract he has been the worst....the starters have to work too hard because of the inability of this bench to function...and now Andrew is hurt for a change...and Pau isn't expected back right now...how do we win another game..??lol

Laker Tom - good research on the stats. Thank you. Do you think Mr. Bryant can keep this up for 82 games plus the playoffs? I think jackson needs to find a way to cut his minutes. And, from what I have seen, IMO, it should be Brown who gets the time.

LakerTom,

"...don’t forget about Fish’s excellent plays on defense at the end of the game. Sometimes, stats don’t tell the most important stories."


And sometimes they do.

Right now, the difference between the Celtics and the Lakers is mostly about consistency of play. Derek Fisher has shot 25% or less for 3 of 5 games, Lamar Odom has been a turnover machine in every game but last night, when he shot 33%. Artest at first seemed a bit timid about jumping into the offense, stepping it up more in the last two games.

And without Pau, Phil has felt compelled to play MBenga, which has been pretty
consistently bad.

The bench mob seem fine if there are 1 or 2 of them playing with 3 starters. But when
Phil goes to 5 bench players, it's been mostly bad. Neither Mbenga or Powell is a
particularly good rebounder or passer, so Mbenga's only giving you defense & blocks
and Powell's only giving you good open jump shooting.

Bynum and Kobe have been more consistent scoring, though Drew's defense hasn't
always measured up to his 7 foot stature.

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Compared to that, the Celtics players have been more consistent. The closest
they've come to a loss was last night in Minnesota, when Paul Pierce went 3 for 12. Other than that, when a starter has had a bad night, they've had bench players step up and fill the gap. The best example was the Philly game. Garnett
and Allen both shot poorly, but Sheed hit 6 3's and House hit 4 3's, so it was all okay.

If Boston were forced to play Scalabrine big minutes, I'm sure you'd see them getting
by by the seat of their pants much more as well.


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Getting Pau back will be huge. Not only will he add some consistency to the
starters, but he'll move Lamar back to the bench mob, which will solidify them
much more. Once the teams back at full health, the Lakers will be getting double
digit wins again as well.

I got off point a bit on the last post.

If Fish didn't go 0-for-5, then he might not have NEEDED to do a critical steal in
overtime, as the team might have won the game in regulation.

It's like the big Ariza steals vs Denver that everyone made a big deal about. What
people don't mention is that Trevor shot poorly in those games. If he'd have been
shooting well, then there wouldn't have been any NEED for a big steal at the end.

It's nice to have players that have a knack for making the big critical plays at the
end of a game, but it's better to have consistent players who beat opponents by enough
that they don't need the critical plays.

Last nights game to me showed the old Kobe. I think he misses Gasol and didn't trust his teammates. He should'nt have to score back to back 40 point games. Those days were supposed to be every now and then when he's in a grove. But i though he forced a lot of shots when he could have passed it off. Also we had 14 seconds left in regulation and Kobe held the ball for the last shot no problem except when he tries to split 2 defenders and does'nt get a shot off. which means someone was open. But he didn't pass it. I'm just glad we won but now with Bymun out. Look for more 40 point game and hopefully no loses.

btw - Kevin McHale has forgotten more about basketball than you will ever know. For example, he knew Bynum and Odom wasn't enough for KG. He got 5 players, two of whom start, and a #1 draft pick.( who is their current back up point guard) Not too shabby!!

Posted by: Giant Green Bald-Headed Lunatic | November 04, 2009 at 03:12 PM


Hey Big Green Dork Face
Turns out Kevin McHale got FIRED and the T-Wolves suck a$%
NOT TOO SHABBY THERE BUDDY

sorry, just trying to rub it in...


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