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Lakers dumped by Rockets: Notes on a funeral

Kobe Bryant shot attempt vs. Rockets 11.15 Okay, maybe that's an exaggeration (the Lakers are, after all, 7-3 and the calendar reads Nov. 16), but the morning after LA's 101-91 loss to the Rockets Sunday night at Staples, Lakersville is an unhappy and angst-riddled place, filled with Morrissey albums, tax audits, and clips of the more crushing moments from Old Yeller.

As we noted last night, their shortcomings as a team were plentiful. The Lakers shot only 38% as a team, dragged down by a 5-20 night from Kobe Bryant, 3-13 from Derek Fisher, and another Large Pile O'misfires (also the name of AK's band in high school) from bench players not named Shannon Brown. Then there was the 60-38 rebounding advantage for the Rockets (and before you say, "It's because the Lakers missed so many shots!" note that Houston actually had more misses from the floor than did LA). Or the fact Houston rebounded from an early 16-2 deficit thanks to their customary tenacity and poise. There's more bad news in the box score, for those in the mood for something sad but lacking easy access to a copy of The Ice Storm

Arguably more upsetting than the final score or 24's shooting line was word that in the first quarter, Kobe re-aggravated a right groin injury originally suffered last weekend against the Hornets. While he says he won't miss time, Kobe acknowledged it was bothering him. "I've felt better," he said. It's certainly reasonable to believe the discomfort played a role in his poor shooting night, because Shane Battier didn't have much to do with it. 

In other injury news, Luke Walton missed Sunday night's game with a sore back. Pau Gasol, though, might just be on the road to recovery. Phil Jackson is "hopeful" Gasol will practice this week. We will now pause this regularly scheduled move to "Other Lakers News and NBA Notes" so you may knock on wood...

Lakers News:

-Trevor Ariza received a well-earned standing ovation from the Staples Center crowd when awarded his championship ring before Sunday's game, and was moved by the experience. After the game, though, he was rightly proud of his current squad.

-Columnists weigh in on the evening's events: Helene Elliott of the LAT writes that the dragging Lakers are lagging well behind history, while the OC Register's Jeff Miller wonders how much it matters to lose a game in November anyway.

-Yahoo's Johnny Ludden notes the injury bug is playing havoc with LA's early schedule, and they'll need to find more support for 24 (starting perhaps with the tall fella in the middle):

"...So far, these Lakers have gone only as far as Kobe has taken them. On Friday, the Denver Nuggets held Bryant scoreless in the second half as they turned a two-point game into a runaway victory. Against the Rockets, Bryant missed 15 of 20 shots, three of which were blocked. The difference between the Lakers’ wins and losses can be found in Bryant’s productivity: In the three losses, he averaged 19 points on 32 percent shooting; in the seven victories, he averaged 34.9 points and shot 52 percent. Bryant has obvious reasons for his larger-than-expected workload, not the least of which is that Gasol hasn’t carried anything heavier than his sports coat. The Lakers have yet to play a single game with their All-Star forward, who remains sidelined with a sore hamstring. Jackson said Gasol has gone five days without soreness and did some shooting on Sunday, which leaves open the chance he could practice this week. If the Lakers are looking for someone to lean on in the meantime, they’d be wise to introduce themselves to the 7-foot center under their basket. Andrew Bynum missed two games with a shoulder injury, but he’s been back since Thursday, just in case no one has noticed. Considering Bynum has had his past two seasons shortened by knee injuries, his teammates might as well use him while he’s standing..."

-Kareem Abdul-Jabbar expressed gratitude for the support he's received from friends, family, and fans since announcing he was being treated for a chronic form of leukemia. 

-Ron Artest dislikes Ariza's shoe.

NBA News:

-Stephen Jackson wanted to play for a winner, which makes his trade to Charlotte a totally natural fit, right?

-The Hornets should learn today how long Chris Paul will be out.

-ESPN.com takes a look at Jeremy Tyler.

-Don Nelson's gig with the Warriors is, says management, secure. And since management won't fire themselves for this sort of idiocy, he's really is likely fine. 

-Dwight Howard has a rapidly growing social media empire, and help in making sure it's done right.

-Fun Gilbert is back.

BK

 
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I’m torn. Should I announce a ‘spot the phony phred comment’ contest or a ‘best imitation of phred in a comment’ contest?

Or should I have all my comments contain secret coded messages, the key to which I will secretly email to the K Bros?

Stephen Jackson and Acie Law for who? Raja Bell and Vlad Rodwhovacic? What? Wait a minute. Uh, um, huh….what?


Ok, I posted this in July. Had to bring it out now, just to see how I did.

"just making my predictions now
game one, next season, beginning of second quarter, lakers have four point lead..

live game thread;

'oh my god. this is what happens when the lakers get a sense of entitlement. we're never going to win with this kind of lackadaisical attitude"

'My god, did you see luke's turnover? Now all the puke lovers on this blog are going to start defending him, just because he has a double double in the first quarter"

'NO! how can we be losing to whoever already!"

'BK/AK- can you ask phil whether the lakers need a little more eye of the tiger or a lot more eye of the tiger in order to get back to the playoffs?"

'this is why we're never going to win a title as long as phil keeps playing luke"


IT IS ALL ABOUT THE LOVE

GO LAKERS!

" clips of the closing moments from Old Yeller. "

The closing moments from "Old Yeller" were very positive (new puppy, with all the characteristics of Old Yeller.)

I think you mean the closing moments of Old Yeller (when Travis had to shoot him.)

I think you mean the closing moments of Old Yeller (when Travis had to shoot him.) Posted by: exhelodrvr | November 16, 2009 at 10:11 AM
Like I always said folks quickest jab lib in the world!

who is that nimrod calling that Houston game on the Ariza shoe clip?

ron tosses the shoe 2 feet out of bounds and that jackass calls it "into the stands"?

this is what happens when you hire some idiot from the ESPN zone parking lot to do commentary on your games.

thank you for Stu Lantz! LA fans are lucky.

Now please, please everybody don't get all cocky when we beat the Pistons by 20 tomorrow. You all are starting to get as manic-depressive as I am. And that aint good! LOL!
mamba24

Just heard trent dilfer on cowheard this morning and he made an excellent point "past success does not forgive present or future failure"... Belichik made a bonehead move yesterday that cost his team the win.... Much in the same way, just cause phils is a HOF coach and been right all these years don't mean he's always gonna be right

The man is clearly letting emotions get the better of him... A team is only as good as its weakest link and dfish is THE WEAK LINK.... My vocab is also not good enough to describe "the insanity" of last nites decision... to stick with dfish the whole way last nite.

In regards to BKs last thread, I also agree with ur point that dfish hurts us offensively but how can you say his defense last night did not bother you BK?? Aaron brooks just had a season high 33 PTS.!! Correct me if I'm wrong but I think that wouldve been his CAREER HIGH but that actually happened in last years playoffs against dfish!! WOW brooks 2 highest offense games of his career happened against dfish and phil... Go figure??

Brooks is actually averaging 14 shots a game but he took 23 last nite and don't anyone tell me that was more a result of bad team defense than bad MAN TO MAN defense

Phil just got owned by adelman last nite again... The man didn't make a single adjustment and it was no surprise adelman kept exploiting that matchup over and over and over again.


Whatever...


Adleman knows something we don't. 7 games last year were 3 too many. That overtime was too close, and last night was ... hey, is Houston like good or something?

Got to adjust and by that I mean expectations accordingly. NOthing a whole bunch o' wins won't cure.

Phil Jackson is our Shepard we shall not want
He leadeth us besides still referee's whistle
He prepareth a path through the playoffs for us
Yea thou we walk thru the valley of the Shadow of Biased David Stern
we shall fear no evil for 10Rings and Mamba are with us.
His 10 rings and Mamba's 4 rings, 81 points, season and Finals MVP's and 3 all star MVP's,
3 league scoring titles, 10 all-star selections 7 all defensive selections comfort me.
Surely Dynasties and Titles shall follow the Lakers all the days of their lives
And We shall put a new banner in the House of Staples each year forever.

THE 79-3 BANDWAGON…
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There were moments when I thought I was going to have a fatal heart attack watching Kobe and Fish take 33 shots to make 8 baskets – the same number as Andrew Bynum made taking only 12 attempts. Talk about stupid. This makes two games in a row that Kobe and Fish have basically shot the Lakers out of a game when they should have pounded the ball inside to Drew. 2 brain dead performances.
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Friday night versus the Nuggets, Kobe and Fish combined for 7-22 shooting while Drew went 8-13. Last night versus the Rockets, our starting back court combined for an even worse 8-33 while Drew went 8-12 with only 3 touches the entire second half. Enough with losses as lessons, Phil Jackson should have ordered the team feed the ball into Drew to start every single offensive possession.
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The killer of course is what launching early long jump shots does to our transition defense and rebounding. Last night, the Rockets literally killed the Lakers on the boards, outrebounding them 60-38, as the Lakers poor shot selection left them unable to garner any offensive boards and put them on their heels defensively as the Rockets were able to get wide-open shots in transition. Remarkably, Kobe Bryant finished the night with just a single rebound. I don’t remember seeing that before.
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Maybe the time has come for the team as a whole to realize that their real strength and advantage right now is in the front court – not the back court. Maybe the time has come for Kobe to step back and recognize that pounding the ball inside to Drew is the surer formula to repeating as champions. Maybe the time has come for Derek Fisher to come off the bench and to give Farmar a shot to start. Maybe the time has come for the more efficient Andrew Bynum and Pau Gasol to be the 1st option.
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Frankly, I thought Drew, Ron, and Shannon were the only Lakers who played well last night. I thought Drew did an excellent job handling the double teams and do not agree with the nitpicking criticism from various bloggers that he didn’t get good enough position for rebounds or hustle enough to cover his man on defense. Most of the shots that Anderson made were not Drew’s fault. What was most frustrating is what Drew’s 21/11/1/5 stat line could have been with 20 touches.
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Phil Jackson needs to lay down the law and stop coddling this team. Once Pau returns, there will be even more pressure on the team to play inside-out basketball. With two 7-footers who shoot such a high percentage and control the paint, it’s now time for the Lakers to restructure who gets the shots. One thing that needs to happen for sure is that Andrew Bynum needs more touches than he is getting right now – even after Pau returns. He is undeniably now the Lakers #2 option on offense.
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Without a doubt, Pau returning will be a huge boost for the Lakers. I believe with him at the high post and Drew at the low post, it will be near impossible for teams to double both of these guys. I also think that Pau in the high post may be the best option for feeding the ball into the post. Not only does Pau have the height to see over the defenders but he will also have a shorter pass to make.
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In the end, I believe Phil will get his lesson’s worth out of the last two losses. The season is a long campaign and fortunately the Lakers are still just a long winning streak from finishing 79-3. They just need to realize that this is going to be Andrew Bynum’s breakout year and take full advantage. The season is a journey and these were just 2 out of 82 games and we could still finish 79-3.
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Oh Pau where art thou? Please come back to us, for i can't take Odumb's pasny rebounding anymore. He is getting pushed around like a bong. Go to bench!

Hey, we lost by 10 points to a Rockets team that gave us fits last year without Pau Gasol on the court and Kobe slowed by a groin injury.

Let's keep things in perspective.

That much said, The Machine needs to get his game in order. We cannot be having nights of zero production from the kid.

What do we play for? RINGS!!!

Lakers Today... Lakers Tomorrow... Lakers Forever.

GO LAKERS!!!!

Is it me or is anyone else mad at the trade that went down between Golden State and Charlot. I hope we look to better our bench. We need some outside shooters to make teams pay for double teaming. I hate to say this but our bench outside of Powell and Ups is not very good.

CrzyFan

Phil Jackson is "hopeful" Gasol will practice this week. We will now pause this regularly scheduled move to "Other Lakers News and NBA Notes" so you may knock on wood...
BK

ROFLMFAO!!! That wood wouldn't happen to be Phils hard head would it BK? LOL!

Once again, we live or die with Kobe. When he's on, we're great. When he's off, we're not so great, because he lacks the insight to say, "Hmmm....I don't have it going tonight. Maybe I should work on getting the ball to that Bynum kid who scores 20+ while only getting about 10 shots".

As was pointed out before, it's the same thing we said in last year's playoffs about getting Pau more touches. There's a reason why our bigs get so few shots. His name is Kobe, and we live or die by him.

Well, then there's also Fisher's bizarre tendency to stare at Bynum, hold the ball over his head, pump....pump...and then decide to throw up yet another contested brick.

By the way, these L.A. Times pop-up ads are driving me nuts and causing me to leave the site earlier than I normally would.

What do we play for? RINGS!!!!

Lakers Today... Lakers Tomorrow... Lakers Forever.

GO LAKERS!!!!


It's been a theme since Shaqkobe days.

Didn't we cross that hurdle? Doesn't the older, wiser Kobe go with what works now?

With him slowed by injury, no Pau, a reluctant LO, and Fish misfiring, Drew has to be the guy at least 22 times a night. We know that, why don't they know that?

The idea that the second half belongs to Kobe needs to change with the temperature of the game. Feed whichever dog is gettin' it done.

That was a hard game to sit through. No semblance of the balanced, multi-faceted Laker attack I had just gotten accustomed to seeing.

4 shots for Lamar? Four, when he was matched up against Budinger for a large chunk of the game. Total lack of recognition in regards to match ups to exploit.

Too much griping. Sure were the champs and you'd think that'd garner a wee bit O respect, but let it go and get back on D. Especially Bynum and Lamar, both were stuck under our offensive hoop yelling at the refs a couple of times. Wait for the break.

Have to disagree with some on Fish and Kobe shooting us out of the game. Quite a few of both of their attempts came with the clock winding down after much fruitless dribbling by multiple Lakers.

More later. Ugh, hated the last two games, get 'em out now!

The problem is not necessarily feeding Bynum, or getting Pau back, because teams are going to plug up the middle with four guys and force a jump shot for the rest of the season. It causes frustration and tires the big men. Of course the Lakers need to find Bynum more, but after sending body after body, Bynum will tire...so will Gasol when he comes back. That is how you beat the Lakers. Teams like Huston and Denver...and now every other statistical minded team in the NBA know the shooting % of every Laker. They know that on many nights the smaller Lakers, as well as Kobe, are just not going to make enough outside shots.

At the end of the day, guys gotta play serious defence. Artest needs to provide the extra defensive firepower to hold off quick teams from scoring off of transitions and fast breaks...especially when the Lakers cannot make their outside shots...and teams now know how to contain Kobe in the post.

What does this mean? Well, if the Lakers are going to get another ring...it is not the offense (Pau will help a little)that will do it...it will be strong, focused, disruptive defense. Not sure my Lakers have the gonads to do it. We'll see.

I'm just writing this to remind everybody that just because Pau will be back, everything else is gravy.

WATCH WHAT YOU SAY JQ, don't forget AK/BK BROTHERS ALSO WORK FOR ESPN ..HAHAHA

who is that nimrod calling that Houston game on the Ariza shoe clip?

ron tosses the shoe 2 feet out of bounds and that jackass calls it "into the stands"?

this is what happens when you hire some idiot from the ESPN zone parking lot to do commentary on your games.

thank you for Stu Lantz! LA fans are lucky.

Posted by: jq | November 16, 2009 at 10:38 AM

Our Father....Who art Phil Jackson. Hallowed be thy Name. Thy Artest come, Thy Ariza be done.....Our bench, we'll surely lose...In Seven!! Posted by: Mamba24 | November 16, 2009 at 11:26 AM

Now whoever the El wrote this I sure didn't sounds kind of like Reds Bstard child to me.
mamba24

Lakers dumped by Rockets: Notes on a funeral by AK/BK

Kobe dumped by LakerTom: Notes on a soliloquy

Farmar as point by LakerTom: UCLA homerism

Farmar is a Point Guard (points to the teammates, dribble, dribble, drible, misses shot or misses the ball) by Edwin Gueco

PRICELESS

"We could still finish 79-3"....{Laker Tom @11:13AM}

Sure, no big deal....the NBA has seen many 72 game winning streaks!!!

LO's on and off again play as a starter is what it was last year, inconsistent. Fisher's shooting the last few games is what it was last year, inconsistent and of big concern for a starter.

Pau will settle some things down and LO will strengthen the second unit. If Fish continues the off and on shooting over the next ten games is it time to give Shannon Brown a look at starter.? Farmar is not delivering consistently, nor is Sasha. Shannon is strong on the block and is starting to hit j's, he never stops working and brings great energy every game. Fish is a fine role model for him.

Jon K. - Do you have Firefox with adblock plus and the adblock plus element hider? That stuff works out tremendously!

With S Jax getting dealt to the Bobcats, does this take him off the table and does it eliminate 2009 trade part duex??

I'm not all that familiar with how contracts go, but I do remember something about a guy getting traded twice in a season and there being restrictions (not impossible, but restrictions) - where's Laker Larry when we need him? I'm sure this is specific to the contract in question...

Well, I have some bad news. You could have figured it out on your own though. I got a call late lastnight from the lender on the 70 win wagon. It seems we've missed two payments and are now in default. They were threatening to repossess my ride, just like how the repo man took LakerTom's 81-1 on Friday and his 80-2 last night. I gave them a song and a dance about how I'll make up the back payments later on... so far, they're buying it, but I'm not feeling optimistic.

So, I'll ride this baby until the wheels come off.

Wtihout a practice to clean up the mistakes of Friday, was it such a surprise that same problems persisted last night?

Most disheartening was that Phil, apparently, will ride a jet all the way into the ground without ever considering pulling up the yoke or hitting eject. Why is D Fish starting? No seriously, please tell me why.

I love #2, and always have, but for every fan favorite, the day arrives where a reduced role is in order. That day has come and gone for Fish. Brown or Farmar need to be starting and they need to be getting the lions share of minutes here.

This loss was even worse. Consider that Houston offered up a 14 point spot (almost twice the 8 points Denver spotted us), and still could not compete.

The Lakers need about a week straight where they practice entry passes. Something is wrong when the only guys that can do it are Luke Walton and Kobe Bryant - that doesn't work too well when you want the ball in Kobe's hands in the post and you want your strongest players out there...

But hey, I'm just the owner of the 70 win wagon.

2009 laker season myths

First let's list them:

1. 7-3 without the euro mvp is a dissapointment
2. kobe in the post is a nightmare for the opposition
3. our record would be better if we pounded the ball into andrew bynum

Now allow me to explain why they're myths

1. Pau Gasol has proven over 2 seasons that he's our 2nd best player with many arguing last season that he was our mvp over kobe. At the very least his consistent brilliance in the post cannot be denied. 7-3 without him is about what you'd expect, so calm down people.

2. while #24 definately has a mismatch in the post, taking his game their has a glaring weakness. First being we don't need help in the post, unlike MJs bulls this team has quality big men. Gasol/Odom/Bynum are all dynamite down there, kobe moving his game away from the perimeter makes our offense less versatile. Defenses thus have an easier time guarding us knowing that our brilliance is confined to the post they can go camp out there. The fact that the point gaurd position is a weakness in our lineup makes it even worse that kobe isn't out their with the pg but camped out with bynum and co. Also having your guards camped in the post means they're the one's battling for rebounds on misses.

3. Force-feeding the post, ala get Bynum the ball is actually one of the problems of this team. Thanks to PJ we all know what laker ball looks like when Bynum is sorrounded by reserves, they simply don't know how to get him the ball. Once defenses start fronting the post and playing passing lanes into the post we tend to get turn over prone. Kobe/Fish are best at feeding the post, which is another reason why it doesn't make sense for kobe to take his game into the post, not only won't he be there to make the entry pass to Bynum/Gasol but he's encouraging turn overs because someone less capable would be making the pass to him when he goes into the post. Bottom line it's less about force feeding bynum but more about encouraging kobe to return to the perimeter (and shooting more cuz which other guard would you want taking the shots), revoking fisher's license to shoot, and making a concerted effort to coach the rest of the team on how to feed the post cuz this is where we have a mismatch on any given night. Brown/Farmar/Sasha/Ammo all need to get better at feeding the post.

Laker Tom,

Have you ever tried playing basketball with a strained groin? Yes, teams are adjusting to Kobe's post game, but the majority of the shots he missed last night were shots he made before the groin injury. It was obvious he could not spin quickly or get much lift in his turnaround last night as well as the second half of the Denver game (as Phil noted). To group Kobe with Fish, who has been struggling with his shot for the last 13 moths, as reasons to change the offense is LOCO. Kobe also looks for Bynum, while Fish continually ignores Bynum in the post.

It's interesting how you pick the two games that Kobe played hurt as an argument to revolve the offense around Bynum, after giving Kobe all the credit when he carried this team to the other victories. It's also interesting that you criticize Kobe's 1 rebound while playing injured, and deflect any blame towards Bynum for giving up so many offensive rebounds to Houston. That's like blaming Josh Powell for giving up open 3's to Aaron Brooks. You wanted Bynum to be the #2 option ahead of Pau. Than you realized how silly that idea was and backtracked. Now you are suggesting that Bynum should be the #1 option ahead of Kobe? Huh?

Interesting indeed.

Taliq,

One of the reasons that Bynum can't get the ball with the second unit is because defenses focus on him and deny the entry pass when Kobe (or Gasol) are not on the floor.

Taliq,

Another thing to remember is that once Gasol returns, and Artest is assimilated into the offense, and teams adjust to Kobe's post game, we are not going to see as many post possessions for Kobe. But for the start of the season, Kobe's post game has carried the team to their wins.

Mamba.
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Time for a 20 touches for Drew Bandwagon to be followed by a 15 touches each for Drew and Pau Bandwagon once Pau returns.
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So call it the 20 TOUCHES FOR DREW (AND 15 TOUCHES FOR DREW AND PAU) BANDWAGON.
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Well, 2 ugly games with same symptoms now:

1) Lakers were flat out outhustled.
2) Kobe, after my posting praising his beautiful efficiency so far this year, takes a whole lot of very high-degree-of-difficulty shots (when Batter went out with foul trouble in the first half Ariza picked up Kobe, and Kobe predictably tried to show up Ariza, resulting in two stupid shots and a turnover in three positions). No more praise for Kobe this year.
3) Derek Fisher shot with the accuracy an 80-year-old blind man, but the enthusiasm of an 18-year-old boy on Viagra.
4) Lamar Odom, wait, was Lamar Odom there?
5) Ron Artest played hard. But did we know he can't finish at the rim at all?
6) The bench provided no noticable lift at all.
7) Bynum was efficient offensively, but many of his teammtes seemed not to notice he was on their team
8) Against a running team, Bynum at times sauntered back on D because his man wasn't up the floor yet.
9) The offense - no triangle, poor spacing, no player movement, no ball movement, guards trying to shoot their way out slumps with bad shots

I could go on. But number 1 and number 9 say it all. The Lakers won't be 81-1, oops, 80-2, oops, 79-3 until they decide to focus on the game. Play harder than the other team. Execute with precision. Share and move the ball.

They will do it eventually, but it would be a lot fun for all of us if it were sooner rather than later.

Tom D.

Jamie,
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>>> Have to disagree with some on Fish and Kobe shooting us out of the game.
>>> Quite a few of both of their attempts came with the clock winding down after
>>> much fruitless dribbling by multiple Lakers.
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With all due respect, the majority of both of their shots came early in the clock with nobody in offensive rebounding position without even giving a look to see if Drew were open. I thought Kobe had the worst shot selection I have seen in the last two years. Just what would you define shooting 8 for 33 while Drew was shooting 8 for 12? If that is not shooting us out of a game, then what is?
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>>> Have you ever tried playing basketball with a strained groin? Yes, teams are adjusting to
>>> Kobe's post game, but the majority of the shots he missed last night were shots he made
>>> before the groin injury. It was obvious he could not spin quickly or get much lift in his
>>> turnaround last night as well as the second half of the Denver game (as Phil noted).
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Kobe Bryant is my favorite player but that does not mean he is always right or can’t receive some constructive criticism. Last night was an example of terrible leadership and horrible shot selection. If Kobe was so hindered physically by his groin, he should not have taken those 20 shots of which he made only 5. Have you ever heard of playing the hot hand? Kobe may be the best but he was not the hot hand last night and should have found ways of getting the ball to Drew. That is the smart play.
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>>> To group Kobe with Fish, who has been struggling with his shot for the last 13 months,
>>> as reasons to change the offense is LOCO. Kobe also looks for Bynum, while Fish continually
>>> ignores Bynum in the post.
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You think so? Then tell me which of Kobe’s 3 assists went to Drew last night. You are right that most nights Kobe is the best player on the team getting the ball to Drew but NOT LAST NIGHT.
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>>> It's interesting how you pick the two games that Kobe played hurt as an argument to revolve
>>> the offense around Bynum, after giving Kobe all the credit when he carried this team to the
>>> other victories. It's also interesting that you criticize Kobe's 1 rebound while playing injured,
>>> and deflect any blame towards Bynum for giving up so many offensive rebounds to Houston.
>>> That's like blaming Josh Powell for giving up open 3's to Aaron Brooks. You wanted Bynum
>>> to be the #2 option ahead of Pau. Than you realized how silly that idea was and backtracked.
>>> Now you are suggesting that Bynum should be the #1 option ahead of Kobe? Huh?
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When Kobe is on, he is without a doubt the #1 offensive option on the Lakers and will be for the next few years. But anybody who thinks that Drew is not #2 option in this offense even after Pau returns is living in the past. Drew is going to be the starting center for the West All-Stars this year.
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Drew is going to average over 20/10/2/2 this season. The smart move by the Lakers is to play inside-out basketball, something that is literally impossible if you have your starting guards taking 33 shots and your center who shoots over 60% from the field taking only 12 shots. With due respect, anybody who argues that that is not the smart move for the Lakers to make is barking up the wrong tree.
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The reason I wrote that is because it's not as simple as saying "Aaron Brooks scored 33, therefore Derek Fisher sucked." First, Fish was very active in the first quarter, tipping balls, disrupting drives, grabbing boards. He was strong early. Second, not all of Brooks' points were scored with Fish on the floor. Third, many of the points came in transition, where defensive assignments are far more fluid. I'm watching the game again as I write this, and there isn't a notable difference between what Brooks did when Fish was on him and when he wasn't. Defense, particularly P and R defense, is a team endeavor. The reason Brooks crushed them last year isn't because Fish is just too slow- the Lakers don't have a PG quick enough to check him off the dribble in the open floor, particularly when dealing with a screen. That player doesn't exist, because Brooks is so freakin' quick. The Lakers were HORRIBLE defending the screen and roll as a team. That team includes Fish, but isn't exclusive to him.

Brooks beat him a couple times, or sure, but Fish also mucked up some drives and helped cause some TOs. His defense wasn't appreciably different than the other guys who marked Brooks. (One notable exception being the hip check on the Brooks three pointer-- that was an AWFUL play, another being when he doubled in the post on Scola and left Brooks at the perimeter- that's not a quickness thing it's a thinking thing)

Offensively, though, of his 13 shots far too many were early in the clock, or off the dribble, and then there was the one where he tried to dribble down to the baseline and was swatted by Landry. Against a transition oriented team those shots weren't good ones. He said after the game that the Lakers didn't have enough respect for Houston's pace, and that he was a primary culprit there. I didn't disagree with him.

Fish has had some decent games on that end of the floor, but the larger problem, whether it's with a quick guard or a good shooting big man, is almost always with team defense. Brooks had looks (still finished 10-22, which isn't overwhelming), so did Andersen, so did Budinger. So did TA for that matter, they just didn't go in.

Again, the point isn't to make Fisher into the DPOY, but to explain why it was the other end (offense) that bugged me more than the defense.

BK

wow kobe has a bad game and laker tom all of a sudden thinks hes not the first option and that andrew bynum(who frankly still hasnt proven anything) should be our go to guy. haha thats funny.

Okay...

So it really looks like we need to get Lamar the ball at the top of the key more often. He's at his best taking his man from the 3 point line into the paint and dishing or shooting.

Not working the ball into the post well is inexcusable by our guard core. Farmar looked so hesitant dumping it into the post it often resulted in a telegraphed pass that forced the post player to come out and meet the ball in no mans land.

Lots has been said about the early shot clock hoists. Kind of don't buy Fish's comments to the tune of "sometimes you want to assert yourself as an NBA player". First off, you should always want to be assertive, second this has nothing to do with playing smart. Contested 3 pointers are there all game long, good looks inside have to worked for.

The last two games have been some of the worst I've ever seen Kobe handle double-teams. Ever. It was like he forgot what to do when a guy came to double. Some of this is on the team for not moving into better position to get the ball out of the trap. But a lot of it was Kobe waiting too long to make a play, the double got set and he would have little to no room to operate.

Against the Liliputians you must use your Giant. Otherwise our slower, older vets will be blown away by every speedy, mid-level NBA talent and there are grips of them. The discipline and poise we saw against Phoenix vanished over the last two games.

I said it already but it seems like it's creeped up over the last two, can it with the griping to refs. It never gets you anywhere, so it seems. Instead, don't play down to your (seeming) level of competition.

Ahhhhh, now I feel better. Prognosis for success? Watch some game tape, get our PGs to work on getting the ball inside to a guy with good position. Basically pay better attention to detail. And not to freak out.


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