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Unless, of course, you happened to be a Lakers season ticket holder, since an estimated 200-250 Staples faithful were able to kick it in a specially added set of bleachers and enjoy today's practice. Quite the treat, enthusiastically received by those folks shelling out bookoo bucks.  While Phil Jackson specifically Shannon Brown, Kobe Bryant, Andrew Bynum and Adam Morrison as the standout performers- roster hopeful Thomas Kelati also enjoyed a few nice moments during the late section the media was allowed to watch- the ex-Bobcats teamed up to deliver the consensus Big Kahuna highlight.  Ammo emerged from a scrum with a steal, then hit a streaking Brown with a home run toss. SB put the ball on the floor for a dribble or two, then threw down a semi-windmill dunk off an explosively quick hop. Predictably, a plethora of "ooh's" and "ahh's" commenced.

Mr. YouTube has quite the knack for crowd pleasing, which ironically reflects PJ's displeasure for these open practices. Not that he disapproved of Shannon's jam, but these league-requested peeks behind the curtain, because of the entertainment value sought, tend to result in practices centering less around drills and fundamentals and more around putting on a show. That understandable desire to give STH's their "money's worth," so to speak, changes the roster's collective energy in a way that doesn't float Jackson's boat. I asked PJ if he saw any positive aspects whatsoever to the shift in vibe.

"Absolutely not."

Seriously, Phil, we're never going to communicate if you keep beating around the bush.

But beyond the gift to the fans, for practical purposes (i.e., mine), similar to BK's report from El Segundo just 24 hours removed, not much doing, whether in the way of players chatting after practice or scoops with a capital "S."

Even the closest thing to real "news," respective hamstring and back injuries to Pau Gasol and Luke Walton, barely seemed to register on the FEAR-O-Meter. In the video below, PJ expresses little concern about either player's condition and while talking briefly with us media types, Gasol was in good spirits and smiling. Pau told me that were the season in full swing, he could probably play through the discomfort, and when another writer joked that the injury prompted Phil to take El Spaniard out of the starting lineup for next year's theoretical exhibition game in Barcelona, dude just grinned. "More rest for me. Always gotta look at the positives."

Really, the biggest damage from these injuries may have come when the egg landed on Jackson's face, as he'd just praised Walton for thus far defying his history and staying healthy throughout training camp. The Zen Master, however, insists he's not to blame for any "jinx," since the ailment actually happened during yesterday's practice and was already in play by the time he mentioned what had been up to that point good health on Luke's part. Therefore, the timing was merely "fortuitous," not a jinx.

Assuming I understand the rules correctly, PJ also doesn't owe anybody a Coke.

Phil also talked about the 1996 Bulls team, they of the 72 wins, in reference to recent showings of confidence from Celts Kevin Garnett and Rasheed Wallace. Phil raises an interesting point about how much pure geography can help a team's quest to win.

AK
 
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AK

If Corey Magette was available for $1.5 million per year, odds are most teams would rush to sign him. If Luke was available for the same salary, odds are there would only be one team that would even consider signing him.

I don't get this adulation for Luke on this blog. To me, he is a painful reminder of the Smush/Kwame/Cook era. Every time he misses another wide open shot or makes nervous decisions in crunch time or gets blocked, I have flashbacks of that era.

If Luke improved his game once a while, I would cut him some slack, but he NEVER does. The Lakers once had another player who never improved his game. His name was Kwame. Kwame had a (lone) fan in Mike Tienitis. Luke, who is arguably worse than Kwame, has fans in Phred, Tom, Jamie Sweet, John K, and most of the other regulars on this blog, which is perplexing.

I sometimes wonder if Luke's mental fragility is rubbing off on his BFF, Farmar. Farmar used to be pretty clutch at UCLA, but Luke's lack of confidence on the court may have rubbed off on Farmar. Next time you hail praises at Luke's game, try to remember that the team almost lost Lamar, and could have re-signed Ariza if it weren't for Luke's contract.

Wish we could get more insights into how PJ thinks and coaches. It makes me cut him more slack when he doesn't call "appropriate" timeouts during the season and the playoffs.

Like many of us want the Lakers to crush opponents and win every game possible. This does not seem like PJs goal at all. He has some method to his madness and wants things done in a methodical, progression...basically building up to the playoffs and going for the ring. Maybe I will be able to watch with less frustration this year - probably not - but he does have 10 rings!!!

Tushar,

I was listening to Tom and Ralph talking to Tim Kawakami of the San Jose Mercury News, who is probably the Warriors harshest critic among the Bay Area media. He basically says that Ellis and Jackson were promised that the team was going knew it didn’t need any more young players and were going to use their 1st round draft pick and personnel to trade for Chris Bosh or Amare Stoudemire. But then they reneged and basically killed the Stoudemire trade by refusing to include Stephon Curry, which is why both Ellis and Jackson are both completely disenchanted with the franchise. Kawakami is a very believable guy who has some pretty solid inside moles in the Warriors and his inside stuff has always been spot on. He also is a huge Lakers admirer which shows how smart he is. LOL.

Tom

How about if you just have one post for the whole season, with periodic updates/addendums as you deem appropriate. Of course, you would have a new post for the playoffs.

Laker Truth,

Luke is an inconvenient truth and the great white hope for season ticket holders that nobody wants to admit. In the first place, I do not know why there is a need for political correctness when we are dealing with talents. Kwame and Smush are black, Sun is asian but they all suck so we just tell it like it is. Luke can't shoot straight, he can't defend straight up, he doesn't have the speed for his age and tenure with NBA, he doesn't have the courage to attack the post like his famous Dad but he can pass better than any PG in the league. Nobody here will comment against Luke if his pay scale is similar to Farmar or Shannon at 2M but it is close to 5M and growing, will be a Laker's pain till 2013.

Btw, Eric Pincus twitts: @NBAFanHouse Farmar has been "available" for some time - but the Lakers are very, very cost conscious in what comes back (about 19 hours ago). In short, they are looking for a rookie with promising outlook that has no effect on luxury taxes.

ex,

>>> How about if you just have one post for the whole season, with periodic updates/addendums
>>> as you deem appropriate. Of course, you would have a new post for the playoffs.

Or someone could just publish a Lakers Blog for Dummies for those bloggers who can’t follow a dialog over multiple threads? Or maybe a Cliff Notes version for those who don’t have the time to read every post on every page of every thread. And of course, so far we have been spared with the curse of the talk show circuit: the best of show posts, where AK and BK go on vacation and we get a replay of some of the more controversial threads. What about guest hosts or hostesses? How about Mike T. one week and Jon K. the next week? Or maybe Kareem or Eric Pincus? Actually, the guest host idea is a lot better than not getting updates once every day or two. We Lakerholics need our fixes, damn it.

Tom

I'm one to agree 100% with Edwin and Lakers Truth. There is only one reason Luke will remain a Laker, no other team wants that crazy overpaid contract. What a waste, he never improves his game same old nothing.

When can we get off the Luke love/hate thread. he is what he is. Great passer, fantastic court vision, a "glue guy". He's never gonna bang and board. He is never going to give you any kind of points. But he can help win games -- as he did in the playoffs last year.

Did he hurt the squad when he was on the court during our run last year? No. Was it painfully obvious that the team had to cover up for him when he was on the court? No. Was the team moving backward during his runs? Very seldom. the only time that I recall thinking he was outmatched and hurting the squad was when he was matched up with Carmelo -- but then, take a number: 95% of the 4s in the league can't match up with Carmelo.

I agree with Edwin. A lot of this has to do with the amount of money he is making. It seems quite high viewing it with today's eyes. But, at that time, given the economics of the league, as the K brothers both observed, that was the going rate for a player of Luke's description (years in the league, size, "ability").

I disagree, though, that this is a racial thing. Anyone who has followed the Lakers -- or the league, for that matter -- knows that the bottom line is money. No one (and especially Jerry Buss) is going to throw money at someone to keep him on the bench just because they share skin tone, or because fans don't want to pay money to see a team of a single hue.

If you can't look at the way Luke plays and see any value in anything he does, then I would suggest -- as harsh as it sounds -- that you all don't know much about basketball.

LakerTom,

Speaking of Michael C. Tiniente, he's now a dot Org master of all guru. Here is a person who finished at Hard Knocks Univ. but has the spirit and confidence of the king of all Gods, Zeus. AK & BK are pale in comparison. LMAO! Read his opinions with the picture of Mike T. below:

http://tinyurl.com/6bxun8


BK,

Thanks for your response and always being witty and cool. I just get crazy having to click back and forth to get from one thread to another and sometimes ending up posting on an old thread when I think I'm on the new thread. This early dementia I'm fighting (just kidding - I hope) I guess is my problem. I'll try to deal better. Bring on the regular season. I'll find my rhythm eventually.

Are the writers on strike again? Is that why there's no new drama being produced in Hollywood?

t-sensei,

Nobody ever claimed that Luke did not contribute to last year's run. (Even Smush, Cook and Kwame had their good days.) I have no problem with Luke getting playing time as long as it's less than 10-12 minutes. With Lamar coming off the bench coupled with the addition of Artest, there is NO reason to increase Luke's minutes this season, as some have suggested. The more minutes Luke gets, the bigger of a liability he becomes. Another reason to limit his minutes is to prevent another injury to his brittle bones. By limiting his minutes to under 10 a game, Phil can lower the chances of another Luke injury from 99% to 95%. By the way, unlike your opinion of Luke, my opinion is based on watching Luke for the past SIX years, not on a couple weeks.

Do you not find it frustrating that the team didn't test the market before signing Luke (like they did with Lamar and Trevor)? that the team inexplicably gave someone so injury prone that many years? that he takes 2 months to recover from a mild ankle sprain? that he can't play through pain? that the team could've resigned Ariza if not for Luke's contract? that he never improves his game from year to year? that after six years, he still can't make a wide open shot? that he was starting over Trevor last season? that his shots get blocked so hard and often that it changes the momentum of games? that the only time he CONSISTENTLY played well was his contract year? that he grew up as a Celtic fan?

I find it hilarious that many bloggers on this site defend Luke's game with more passion than they do Kobe's game. I wonder why that is.

t-sensei,

My Luke rant was in response to posters suggesting that Luke is a better player than Corey Magette. This kind of delusion sparked memories of Mike T's infatuation with Kwame.

Anna- Good one.

I'm still working on my 'Edwin re Mike T's Blog- vs the whole blog history of stuff. v my analysis thereof.

well, hell. I'm going to go and drink now. make of that what y'all will.

alas, the luke conundrum.. perhaps it is not as mind boggling as we may think.

why does he get so much love we ask? why do so many fans love him when he is so ridiculously OVERPAID and OVERPLAYED? why is there not a complete fanbase backlash against luke's contract and constant overachieving underperformance? how can a guy who is a liability in 15 categories and an asset in just 1 continue to get so much support?

but since this is a blog and we have a right to be un-PC, i will say this... i have yet in my entire life find a luke fan who is either asian or black or any other non-white ethnicity for that matter who is actually a fan of luke.

i'm just sayin...

yello- Huh. Weird how that works. v. III

Aloha,

Still all the Luke hate persists, for a guy that is 8th or 9th guy on the team! I think his critics are more into flash then substance. Luke gets his 15+ minutes of run because he knows the triangle inside out. He makes the right pass to the right guy at the right time. Thats why he lead the team in assists per minute played. And if you have the attention span for it try watching him off the ball. He constantly moves, setting the right screen or picking off some ones man in the lane to free them up. This is what ROLE PLAYERS are expected to do. Ya his 44.3% career shooting isnt as good as Kobes 45.5 but its better then Artests 42.2.

We all know he isnt a good on the ball defender but he is a good help defender with very good defensive rotations. Of course you have to again, not watch the ball to notice. He also plays the passing lane very well for a half a steal per his 15 minutes. Projected over 35 minutes that would be good for 12th in the league right behind Kobe. Is he over paid for 15 minutes of run? Of course but then thats hardly his fault. For his place in the rotation and what he brings when he is in, he is a valuable member of the team. There really isnt very many 8th or 9th guy on any roster in the league that I would rather have. And if Artest goes down during the year, you have a solid guy with starter experience that can fill in. Just my opinion.

Michael H

btw commenting on the previous thread... please dont EVER compare the warriors or A's to the EMBARRASING RAIDERS.

as long as al davis is still running that team they will always be a complete disgrace and failure... i am also still in shock there isnt an uproar or even a riot in the bay area over this... that old man has gone completely SENILE. hes still sporting his adidas jumpsuits and gold chains in his owners booth with talking about "commitment to excellence" except now he weighs 90 lbs and is in a wheelchair.

the man is wearing adult diapers and should be in a nursing home yet he is running a professional football team and still actively involved in personnel decisions and still sending play signals to the field from the owners booth (see warren sapp interview last year). he still has total control of that team and as long as he's alive he will never relinquish control

is there anything more ludicrous and insane in sports?? no decent coach in their right mind would go near that franchise with a ten foot pole. no free agent would dare sign with that team (even coach dungy recently reported he had to talk michael vick away from signing with raiders next year). he is undercutting the authority of the football coaches by not even letting them hire their own coaches. he is overpaying guys with ridiculous guaranteed contracts who dont even belong in the league... jamarcus and heyward bey to name a few.

i could go on and on and on here.....

dont anyone please ever dare compare the warriors to the raiders. the warriors still have a very competitive team with one of the best coaches in the league. they're loaded with great up and coming young athletes and are probably one good player away from being a strong playoff contender. warriors were an embarrassment when chris mullin ran that franchise to the ground but nellie has turned them around quickly.


yellofever,

>>> i have yet in my entire life find a luke fan who is either asian or black or any
>>> other non-white ethnicity for that matter who is actually a fan of luke.

LOL. How about a half-Asian half-fan of Luke? Truthfully, there are just too many factors as to why fans like certain players and don’t like others. I definitely don’t root for Luke because I am half-white but I did root for Sun Yue partly because I am half-Chinese. Is race a factor in why people root for certain players? Probably. It would be naïve to think otherwise. Race is ALWAYS a factor.

But just because race plays a role doesn’t necessarily mean that the racism is at work. I think it’s as natural for people to root for those of their race as it is to root for those of their own family, city, university, religion, state, sex, or country. Considering the dominance of different races in different sports, is a white fan rooting for Luke any different from an African-American fan rooting for Tiger? Or a Jew rooting for Jordan? Or a Spaniard rooting for Pau? Or Greek dude rooting for Greeks?

I saw that somebody on the blog had classified me as one of Luke’s supporters. Truthfully, I think Luke is fine where he is right now as 10th or 11th man. His pay is more than any of us would like but a lot of that is because of the way salaries have dropped due to the economy. Truthfully, part of why I root for Luke is in reaction to all the haters who refuse to see his value or contributions, part is because he does have a high basketball IQ (although he always chokes in the clutch), and part of it is because he is Bill Walton’s son. LOL. Bottom line, he’s a valuable, underappreciated role player.

Tom

I seem to have lost a few of my 'huh, how does that work? snarky posts.' please return them to me, I take very good care of them, i just left the comment window open a second too long. Come back to phreddy, baby, come back to phreddy. we'll mock the luke haters and have ever so good a time, ever so. Phweet Round em up, round em up go dog dog dog in the pen in the pen!...

Sigh. I am resorting to BBC cliches here. Well.

And . . . why did y'all assume I was white? Is there a color code that comes along with the comment box -- I wasn't aware of that yello-fever. Just point me to it and I'll tick it off.

LAKER TRUTH -

You said, "Next time you hail praises at Luke's game, try to remember that the team almost lost Lamar, and could have re-signed Ariza if it weren't for Luke's contract. "

That's misplaced anger is it not? How is it Luke's fault that the organization felt he deserved "x" amount of money? He didn't demand money and they gave in, they offered it to him and he took it, and rightfully so! His contract year was a breakout year for him. Grant it, since then, he's been plagued by injuries and the like but that year he was a solid contributor. I know, it was only one season and he hasn't played to that level ever again, I can't disagree with you there, but the basis of offering him that much money was because it was thought he was our small forward of the future. You may not want to believe that because you think he's so horrible but the organization clearly felt he was the best option, and he was at that time. You can't be a wishful thinking GM and assume you'll find someone better down the line. You do what's best for your team in the immediate future first, then consider the long term. At that time, Mitch wasn't attracting anyone to come play for the Lakers, as crazy as that sounds. I don't think it was because no one wanted to play in L.A., we just seemed to be going in another direction. Don't forget we were a rebuilding franchise at that time and who would have expected a turnaround THIS fast? No one has ever pulled this quick a turnaround, ever! Luke was the best option and got a fair amount of money for the way he had performed in the season prior. How was Mitch suppose to predict going after VladRad and trading for Trevor and signing RonRon to play small forward for us? Obviously he couldn't and I don't think that's your point. I think your point is that Luke is overpaid, just as many others felt Lamar was overpaid for a long time. You think Luke cost us Trevor? That's not right either; the organization chose Ron over Ariza, it had nothing to do with Luke. Money wasn't the issue, Jerry Buss is paying 20 plus million in luxury tax, money is besides the point. Ron Artest has been on the teams radar for years, he became available, and while they offered Trevor the same amount of money he got in Houston, he thought he was worth more initially but found out that he wasn't but it was too late because the team got the guy they wanted. Luke has his flaws, I agree with you completely, but he's not worthless. I wish he worked on his game too but he's been so injury plagued it hasn't worked out. I think he got what he deserved when he initially got it but hasn't lived up to the billing. He's still a decent backup despite what you or anybody else who doesn't like him thinks. I would take Magette too but I don't think he'd fit in like Luke does. I've watched Luke since he's been on the Lakers and he showed progression but then it just stopped, which is too bad, but so what? We didn't win a championship despite him and no, we didn't win only because of him either. He did contribute though: in practice, in the locker room, in SOME of the minutes he actually did get, etc. I've cringed sometimes when he has shot the ball the last couple of years but he is no where near the level of incompetence that Smush, Kwame or Cookie were on.

LakerTom -

I've read Tim's articles in the past and see him on Chronicle Live (a Comcast Sports Net Show) frequently. He does get on the Warriors case when he gets the chance. I've heard him talk about how many of the people in the organization have a disdain for him because of his views and how he doesn't really care. He's pretty spot on though, in my opinion, and has proven he can be reliable. I remember reading and hearing about the Amare and Chris Bosh trades around the time of the draft. It's not surprising the team made a promise and didn't fulfill it. Picking Curry was baffling from a personnel stand point until you realize it makes complete sense in "Warrior World." They needed a big and had options but decided to go with the gunner who fits perfectly in Don Nelson's system. If they pulled the trigger on Amare or Bosh, it would have given them a core of Ellis, Jackson, Randolph and Amare or Bosh. They would have lost Curry and Beidrens and probably Brandon Wright but that core is good; it would provide an entertaining brand if they meshed well and maybe they could have made some noise at the bottom of the Western Conference. But of course they didn't do what makes sense, is rational and logically, no way they would do anything like that!!! Man, it's good, no its GREAT, to be a Los Angeles Lakers fan.

You mentioned the A's as another mess. That's true to a certain extent but I think their front office is competent. They put a fair product on the field but don't keep it there. They always trade away all there pieces but get fantastic prospects and picks in return. I think they function the way they do because of the stadium situation and all that other stuff. They make a run to the playoffs one year, trade everyone away, fall off for a year or two and comeback again. Lou Wolf is respectable and Billy Beane is a great talent evaluator. If they get there new stadium, I believe they'll turn things around for good. But I could care less, I'm rooting for my Dodger Blue! I too hope it's the Yanks and Dodgers but obviously we won't be rooting for the same team. I don't like the Yankee's but respect what they do; people don't like the fact that they have a huge payroll and this and that, but it's all within the rules. They charge a very high amount of money for their tickets and rather than worrying about pocketing profit, they put it right back in the team, just like what the Lakers do. If I'm a fan and I'm paying crazy bags of money for tickets and all the other brouhaha, my team better be damn good.

A RALLY 2 LEAVE LUKE ALONE

Hmm this is why y'all need a sheriff ... stop sniffing the coke people ...

Don't get me wrong ... I'm not a fan of Luke Walton either and was upset last season when I felt he was taking minutes away from Ariza's budding talent ... But to PJs credit he cut down Luke's minutes when the playoffs came around and don't we all say sharing the ball and minutes fosters team chemistry ...

Lastly this is a championship squad ... we could gripe last year, we all wanted so bad to avenge the celtic loss ... from the owner, to the coaches, to the players, and to us their fans ... we wanted it and every little miscue we neurosed over ... failure was not an option

We overcame that fear of failing in our quest for a championship ... Houston pushed us to game 7 and like neo in the matrix we said .... we said nah we get to choose the ending, we've worked too hard to get here and this team doesn't deserve to beat us ... simply put we're better than they are ... y'all know the rest of that beautiful story ... lol

This is a different season ... this is a season where we celebrate the our return to glory ... this is a season where the entire laker franchise says to the basketball universe "now that kobe's got the best team in all of basketball do you really still feel like you can compete? do you really believe deep down within you that you're badder than us? do you think your network can keep up the lebron debates? laughing our collective asses off"

I know I know the road to the championship will be long and filled with hardship ... plus we need the gift of good health ... but this team, including Luke Walton ... has more than earned the right to enjoy this challenge ... Just cuz I like seeing Odom's post moves doesn't mean I have to get mad at the guy rooting for Josh Powell to get more minutes ... Celebrate what you love about the lakers ...

I just read that Farmar and Brown pack an incredible 1-2 punch based on speed and athleticism ... the type that teams will be forced to prepare for ... the type that this fan's love will be eager to add to the equation ...

We are the outfreaking standing champions ... we shall celebrate this team ... and be confident that we know their character ... that they will not relinquish the greatness we see in their future without a blood bath ...

To the rest of the league ... BRING IT

24 + 16 + [3|1]7 = The Purple Tinted Golden Age

LAKER TRUTH,

Your hatred for Luke is just plain lame. Don't you have better things to do with your life?

What do we play for? RINGS!!!!

Lakers Today... Lakers Tomorrow... Lakers Forever.

GO LAKERS!!!!

yellowfever,

"i have yet in my entire life find a luke fan who is either asian or black or any
other non-white ethnicity for that matter who is actually a fan of luke."

So you have to be white to root for Luke Walton?

Quite honestly, that attitude make my stomach sick. It's repulsive.

What do we play for? RINGS!!!!

Lakers Today... Lakers Tomorrow... Lakers Forever.

GO LAKERS!!!!

LakerTom
[But just because race plays a role doesn’t necessarily mean that the racism is at work. I think it’s as natural for people to root for those of their race as it is to root for those of their own family, city, university, religion, state, sex, or country. Considering the dominance of different races in different sports, is a white fan rooting for Luke any different from an African-American fan rooting for Tiger? Or a Jew rooting for Jordan? Or a Spaniard rooting for Pau? Or Greek dude rooting for Greeks?]

Got to show you some love for that one ... I'm sure someone out there could make a case against your comments given the sensitive nature of racial issues ... personally though, your argument makes a lot of sense

"Will Kobe's scoring & assists go up this year?"

My answer like yours Hobbit is No.


2 reasons


1) So many offensive weapons. With Pau Gasol/Lamar Odom/Ron Artest/Andrew Bynum Kobe will not score 30ppg unless due to injuries (I don't want that to happen). How many times has Kobe scored 30ppg+? 3 times. 1st in his MVP Calibers season (he deserved that MVP that year really more than 07-08) of 2002-2003, 05-06 and 06-07 because he needed to score in order to make the team get into the playoffs. When he got help his scored went to 28ppg then to 27ppg last year. He won only two scoring titles so far. With the offensive firepower he doesn't need to score or ball handle the ball as much.


2) He doesn't need to ball handle as much. The highest player to average many assists in Phil's offense was Scottie Pippen in 91-92 season (7apg). Not bad numbers but the game was a faster pace at that time yet only average those numbers while guys today like CP3 averaged over 10apg? Makes it look lower by comparison. Kobe will have the ball very much especially in the playoffs but even in the Finals when he ball handled a lot he averaged 5.6apg which isn't much compared to someone like Magic. Simply put Kobe will have the ball less basically of so much more talented players (arguably even better than last year's team on paper at least). If he does great but he wants to win championships and the days of him putting up Michael Jordan type numbers are not here and him just doing anything to win titles.


As for his FG% if he couldn't do it by now I dunno if he will ever will. If he does put over 48% then great but he hasn't and shooting jumpers while a reason why it's lower compared to LBJ who is just a crazy finisher at the basket, really don't hold any substance when you consider that outside shooters like Larry Bird and Reggie Miller had seasons shooting over 50%.


And for the blogger who said that FG% really didn't matter when comparing Michael and Kobe don't buy into it. It is important probably one of the biggest things that seperates Kobe from Allen Iverson (Iverson has had very low FG% despite winning 4 scoring titles).

man who wouldn't want to sit down for a bottle of whiskey and a few cigars with PJ?

Sure Luke makes too much money - that's a given...but has it affected our ability to sign the players we want? - clearly not.He is what he is athletically but for all the criticism luke gets...he appears to be well liked by teamates and coaches and seems to be a positive locker room presence.He has also been a guy that will have his role and minutes yanked around and be cool with it - he won't play at all and then he'll be asked to play and he just gets on with it....big minutes to the bench to the starting lineup to being asked to contribute in a big playoff game after sitting alot...a guy that is prepared to do that is rare and you ask any player - performing under those circumstances is tough but thats what the team has needed from him.I think sometimes we don't get the full picture of what goes on behind the scenes or what certain players actually contribute.Luke seems to be one of those guys who while overpaid, is perhaps not as overpaid as it may appear.But bottom line is why complain about it? who have we actually missed out on signing because of him? Buss is ponying up and we have the biggest payroll in the league...he's essentially paying for the bad contracts.

SHANNON BROWN POINT GUARD OF THE FUTURE –BANDWAGON
(Formerly Shannon Brown is a Keeper – Bandwagon *******)
*
(01) YELLOW FEVER – SOLE OWNER
(02) NEVER – DRIVER - I'll be glad to be the driver of the Shannon Brown wagon. Screw tailgating Farmar, I'll be passing him on the left hand lane.
(03) PSYCHED LAKER GIRL - I want to be in the car with Never and Shannon. Not only
is Shannon's name cool but he will be breaking out in the fast lane this year - I just know it!
(04) #4 – LIKES SHANNON FOR 4 REASONS
(05) JUSTANOTHERMAMBAFAN - I would like to roll with the Shannon Brown's a Keeper bandwagon s'il vous plait.
(06) KEIFO – RIDING SHOTGUN
(07) THE OUTLAW – TAUGHT SHANNON TO PLAY DEFENSE
(08) BABY OUTLAW – WAAAAAAA
(09) FATTY – THINKS SHANNON BROWN IS LAKERS SECRET WEAPON
(10) LAKERSRYDEORDIE – ALWAYS BEEN A FAN
(11) NEMAIA FALETOGO - Shannon is more athletic, stronger and a better defender than Farmar
(12) TALIQ – HE’S GOT MY VOTE IF YOU DON’T LIKE IT I HAVE A CELL FOR YOU.
(13) DOC4daLakeShow - Glad to see Shannon get the run.
(14) JON K - Brown has shown us glimses of potential for us to get excited about.
(15) BD - JORDAN FARMARS WAKE UP CALL FROM MR. BROWN
(16) Sir CHARLES –
(17) utzworld THE BANNER HOLDER - put me on the Shannon Brown bandwagon, por favor. He's most def gunnin for Jordan's (and Fish's) spot.
(18) TALIQ - not only can he play but every minute he spends on the floor means less of farmar refusing to pass to kobe's bff, i.e. sasha"
(19) JOHNNYP - How crucial is Shannon Brown when we have this bench slump going on?
(20) EDWIN GUECO – Air Traffic controller to clear the lanes
(21) JAMIE SWEET – GO SHANNON –(It’s always good to keep your options open)
(22) LAILA - shannon brown was awesome
(23) ChicNstu |- UPS ..Thats what Brown can do for you!
(24) EASTCOAST-JESSIE - I also have to say that Shannon Brown is getting lot's of love from me. The kid is ridiculously athletic and his defense is much better than Farmar's.
(25) LONGTIMELAKERLOVER - I'd love to be on the Shannon Brown bandwagon. Love his passion and committment! Go Brown!
(26) JEFF - ShanWOW's a thrill to watch, he's my new favorite laker not named Kobe or Pau.
(27) BILLY IN SLO - Great attitude + great ability = Great player and teammate
(28) JUSTIN - I'll admit, I'm definitely on the SB bandwagon. Excluding LO, he is simply our Bench Mob X factor. As Shannon raises up, the crowd goes wild.
(29) LAKER TRUTH - Shannon has the skills and the mental strength to be the starting PG in this system.
(30) VMAN - Love Shannon Brown, undoubtedly slotted by Phil to play Ron Harper in the upcoming blockbuster season.
(31) KOBESBAD – Big, Big Fan.

lakertom..Excellent take on Luke but I'm not sure I agree that race is always a factor and I'm not sure the hometown analogy quite fits unless you are talking about a German supporting Dirk Nowitzki or a Frenchman cheering Tony Parker.

That said, being from NZ, I should get behind Sean Marks but I don't due to his crappy contribution to New Zealand basketball and his affiliation with the Spurs...I think white people that love basketball and the NBA on the whole don't fall into a demographic with serious racial issues or if they do they switch that side of themselves off and cheer for whoever is on their team in the same way I forget about Artest's domestic violence issues when I hope he succeeds for the lakers.

I could be naive and apologies in advance if I offend anyone becasue what I am about to say is not a criticism but simply an opinion and observation... my feeling is that the concept of race is often a bigger deal to those who are actually currently part of a particular minority group.It makes sense really...in countries where white people are the majority they often don't care about race...in fact they should care more.In those countries white people are the majority and therefore simply don't think about it a lot of the time.

Most white NBA fans know that white players can't compete with the black guys athletically.I personally just accept as well as laugh at the white men can't jump and dance stereotypes like everyone else.

That said,its cool to see white guys do well in the same way its cool to see Asian guys do well..becasue theres so few of them that have any real success in the league.

Would I find it exciting to see a white version of Kobe or Shaq? sure!...in the same way I was intrigued by Yao Ming or Allen Iverson and presumably in the same way a number of black or chinese basketball fans would be interested to see that too...not out of any need to watch white guys play basketball nor any need to see them succeed at it and would I stick up for Luke cos he is white? no way.

I'm white but I've been spent a lot of time living in countries where white people are a huge minority (as I am at the moment).Its amazing how often my instinctive reaction to a problem is that something is racially motivated when it simply isn't.I think it is a natural part of being in a minority group and having a few negative experiences as one inevitably comes across a minority of unpleasant people as well as having a heightened sense of awareness that you are 'on the road' so to speak.

While I can't really draw any comparisons for what it is like for an African American or an Asian in the USA I have always found my own reactions in such places interesting.

At the same time I'm sure a good looking white guy is attractive to a fan base or a certain portion of it but I really dont think it is as big of a deal as a lot of people seem to think.

The teams cater to mixing things up with American whites in the same way they cater to other demographics but theres no big conspiracy about white guys in the NBA that I can see... nor would it matter a darn to a lot of white fans if the lakers were all black as long as they were winning..nobody (apart from a few teenage girls) turns on a laker game to watch Luke Walton.Of all the white guys in the league the only one that comes close to being in my favourite 20 players would be Chris Anderson...In the NBA anyone playing any meaningful minutes is doing it on merit...theres no room for much else.Thats why most of the guys that are actually playing aren't white!

Sorry if anybody takes this post the wrong way but there are a lot of people out there these days of whatever ethnic origin who are just cool about race and can appreciate the differences, similarities, and abilities of different individuals of whatever racial background.Clearly there are a number of issues,challenges and problems in a real sense regarding race but that is seperate from how a lot of people actually feel about it.For many it's simply not a preoccupation,particularly when it comes to entertainment and escapism.

Luke is a better fit here than Corey "I never pass the ball and am a black hole" Maggette.

BK/AK:

Question for the podkast--
I don't want to know all the magician's tricks, of course, but, How did you guys get so freakin' funny?

Marty--

Drugs, but I'm not saying which ones.

Thanks for the note.

BK

Laker Truth,

"Luke, who is arguably worse than Kwame"

Please do not ever type that again. Not even close. Luke is a decent pro. he is what he is, a bench player. There are times when his weaknesses are exploited, and there are times when his skills are utilized effectively. He helped a great deal against Artest against Houston, and had some good stretches against 'Melo. He's going to have his good games, his bad games, and his mediocre games. That is why he's on the bench and not starting anymore.

He can pass well. He knows the offense. He will take advantage of smaller players when possible. Again, he is what he is. Yes, he gets paid too much, but blame the FO for giving him the contract, not him for accepting it. His color has nothing to do with his spot on the team. I preferred Luke and his limits over Space Cadet.

By the way, the Kwame lover was Mike Teniente.

Looking at the 2006-07 roster helps make more sense of the Luke re-signing. Is there anyone on this roster that we didn't later sign that you'd rather have signed in Luke's place?

Sasha Vujacic
Kobe Bryant
Aaron McKie
Jordan Farmar
Von Wafer
Smush Parker
Devin Green
Maurice Evans
Shammond Williams
J.R. Pinnock
Jim Jackson
Luke Walton
Vladimir Radmanovic
Lamar Odom
Brian Cook
Ronny Turiaf
Kwame Brown
Chris Mihm
Andrew Bynum

The Lakers signed their best free agent at the time, before looking for other free agents. We've improved our talent considerably since then, which is why it looks so bad now, but back then it wasn't a bad move.

"but since this is a blog and we have a right to be un-PC, i will say this... i have yet in my entire life find a luke fan who is either asian or black or any other non-white ethnicity for that matter who is actually a fan of luke."
posted by Yellow fever

Look No Further!..Here I am.

michael h -
Good post. The Luke haters either don't pay attention to what goes on "behind the scenes" in a basketball game, or else are ignoring that aspect when it comes to Luke. I think a lot of the dislike for Luke is because he is white. There is an assumption on the part of some people that there has to be an ulterior motive for a white, mediocre player being on the team.

Kiwi and LakerTom,
Well said.

Laker fan-

If Im understanding you correctly ... Luke sucks and Sasha sucks. Farmer and Brown are so so. Where is that great bench of yours? That leaves LOL and he only shows up 75% of the time.( And that was prior to getting married and in a contract year) How often will he show up now that he feels underpaid? Plus all the time he has to spend on his new part time gig ... Reality TV.

So 4 of your first 5 guys off the bench are marginal at best and you have the best bench in the NBA? LMAO!

I have an idea how you can improve your bench ... start Sasha and have Kobe come off the bench or start your bench and have your starters come off the bench. Then you might have a better bench then us!

Questions For PodKast

- Any news (other than todays LAT) regarding Tex's appearance at the Ring ceremony.

- Assuming Tex is unable to continue assistant coaching for the Lakers, will there be a separate ceremony to wish him well or something similar down the road?

- What's y'alls current take on Kurt Rambis' coaching in Minnesota and how much do you think David Kahn will muck it all up?

- Ron Artest fitting in update (this almost feels like a wasted question as I'm sure it's the one the tip of everbodies tongue).

- General mood and atmosphere of the team. Commitment level, enthusiasm, receptiveness of training camp first-timers (mainly AMMO and SB).

Will the Lakers ever play another game? Was this a two game pre-season?


In the meantime, I did just see one of the best 'Hercules' films I've ever seen. "Hercules in the Haunted World," by Italian horror master Mario Bava. Anyone know? I guess on the way to his horror famedom Bava had to make a Hercules film to pay the bills. The result is one of the best hodgepodge fantasy/sci-fi/horror films that I've ever seen, and a real nice little netflix discovery. This is what makes netflix so nice--all these odd little genre films that are made available after years of obscurity bobbling in and out of the VHS black-market. Also, freud would have a field day with this one. I like the part where Hercules has to go into the dark and forbidden cave of the Hesperides queen to retrieve Persephone's golden apple. Mmmmm. Save me a bite, Hercules.


http://tinyurl.com/ykekrpt


Wes

I have an idea how you can improve your bench ... start Sasha and have Kobe come off the bench or start your bench and have your starters come off the bench. Then you might have a better bench then us!Posted by: 131-92 | October 14, 2009 at 08:45 AM

AHHHH! 131-92 A LITTLE BELOW YOUR USUAL RAZOR SHARP STANDARDS.
See what skipping training back does to you?
Now I want you to come back strong or not at all!! Sheeessssh! And to think I use to think you had the makings to stand a MIXED MARTIAL BLOG Bout with ExheloDrVr. Sorry sir but I don't think you are ready for the main event yet. But you got potential. Yes I definitely see potential. But could you do me a favor and stop hanging around with that freakin bald headed lunatic KG and that cross dressing loser
Paula The Truth Pierce? They are nothing but losers. Shoot Paula has hit on such hard times I saw her wheelchair on bid on EBay. Sad...Real Sad.

*
HAPPY 99TH BIRTHDAY JOHN WOODEN THE WIZARD WHO COULD -
*STILL TEACH THE ZEN MASTER A THING OR 2 - BANDWAGON *
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(01) MAMBA24 - OWNER

131-92,

Who is us?

1. Luke is on the floor because he knows the Triangle better than almost anyone else on the team. PJ said it last season and the season before. His job isn't to bang on the boards and hit the J when required. His role is to keep the offense running in sync. Is that role worth $30 milli? Naaah...but we have to respect his role. Which leads me to...

2. Let 1AndDone's comments serve as a lesson. SUPPORT YOUR TEAM AT ALL TIMES! That jackass, diarrhea mouthed post of his was purely based on our lack of supporting our team. Trashing our bench gives trolls the ammo needed to take shots at us. So watch what you say about your team - CAUSE THE HATERS ARE WATCHING TOO!

LAKER TRUTH

I wouldn't say it's adulation for Luke as a person (I don't know him, nor have I eaten at his brother's rib joint), but rather a respect for his game and what he brings to the team as a whole.

Corey Maggette is a merc, he doesn't lay it all down for the team, is a distraction in the locker room and harps about his minutes. To be sure he is a far more athletic and dynamic basket ball player than Luke Walton, yet for all his physicl gifts it's his attitude and mental approach that hold him and whatever team he is currently taking up space on back. You say if he were available for 1.5 mil many teams would want to sign him, I say he'd be Josh Childress' teammate on Olympiakos. No way Maggette's ego would let him sign for such a paltry sum.

On the other end of the spectrum sits Luke Walton. Team player to the bone. Makes just about everyone better on the floor when he's out there. Makes the extra pass, gets the bigs some easy looks or at least feeds the ball into the post, rebounds well considering his lack of hops and can guard smaller power forwards. Maggette? I don't think anyone has ever said, "Nice defense by Maggette." Rather it usually goes along the lines of, "Maggette careens wildly out of control into the paint and they bail him out with a foul."

Oddly enough, he's missed more time with injury than Luke has. I can't remember the last time he played a full 82, or at least was healthy enough to play a full 82. He gets hurt, doesn't rehab correctly, whines about minutes or how the coach uses him, gets hurt, rinse, wash, repeat.

Don't get me wrong, I think Maggette fits well on a variety of teams, just not ours. Same thing with Luke, not every GM in the NBA is drolling over Luke becoming a free agent, but I'll bet you'd be surprised at how many would want him on their team just to have a team guy on the squad.

Maybe it's his attitude that I find so refreshing, maybe it's the idea that he gives hope to every kid hooping it up in the drive way that they too can make it into the NBA by working hard, learning the plays correctly and just being a solid team mate, in the end he helped us win a World Championship last year with some great defense, rebounding and quite a few clutch plays. So maybe you should think about cutting him a bit of slack.

In regards to Farmar, he is still pretty clutch, it's one of his biggest assets. He drills last second shots at a pretty good clip. It's Luke's court vision and passing ability that I'd like to see rub off on Farmar. I don't think a dressing down by Barack Obama would faze Mr. Farmar's self-confidence so no real need to worry about anyone eroding that mountain.

GO LAKERS!!!!!

131-92, Who is us? Posted by: wondahbap | October 14, 2009 at 09:20 AM

The man says so much with so few words. Therefore...Do I have to say it?
OUT FREAKING STANDING!!


131-92,
Please refresh my memory - what do the call the trophy for having the best bench? Oh, yeah, it's the "Who Gives a Crap If You Didn't Win the O'Brien" Cup.

131-92,

Who is us?

Posted by: wondahbap | October 14, 2009 at 09:20 AM

If you dont know who you are ... How am I supposed to know? Or are you auditioning for Jeopardy?


2. Let 1AndDone's comments serve as a lesson. SUPPORT YOUR TEAM AT ALL TIMES! That jackass, diarrhea mouthed post of his was purely based on our lack of supporting our team. Trashing our bench gives trolls the ammo needed to take shots at us. So watch what you say about your team - CAUSE THE HATERS ARE WATCHING TOO!

Posted by: utzworld - THE BANNER HOLDER | October 14, 2009 at 09:21 AM

Banner Folder-

Is this any way for a "man of the cloth" to speak? You dont know how hurt I am by your comments!


Edwin Gueco

Kiwi,

You are absolutely right in your post however we can't discount the fact that Luke can attract both criticisms and praises among Laker fans. It is how they interpret his game viz-a-viz with his long contract with the team. A criticism lodged on Luke is indirectly addressed to the F/O who never tested the market at the time of his contract renewal. In essence the product does not meet its utility value based on results. Talent should not be associated with race. There is no question on the best white players who played in NBA, one of them is his loquacious Dad, Bill Walton the others: John Stockton, Pete Maravich, Rick Barry, Bob Cousy, Bill Sharman, Larry Bird, Jerry West on and on, as long as there are talents out there, no questions whatsoever on their presence in the Top 50 ever. It is more of the frustration of people in the agony of past defeats caused by Luke et al since '05, '06, '07 and partly '08 seasons and the idea that he will still in this team with a rising luxury threshold till 2013. It is not hate but more of critical observation during preseason pleading to a player please...... CAN YOU NOT IMPROVE? Fans like Chuck23, Pfunk, recently Yellofever and many more on the streets who are not posting in this blog are not amused with his menial contribution yet during interviews, he's the No. 1 spokesman of the team. We are like a tired teacher pleading to an underachieving student please do your homework first before coming to class or before doing all the talking. His position as an SF fills up a void of the best Lakers played the game from Jerry West, Gail Goodrich, Jamaal Wilkes, James Worthy, Rick Fox and last year, Trevor Ariza. In this season, Ron Artest and Adam Morisson will compete for his minutes. Kiwi, I am not always a homer but as a long time fan I can also say that it is no joke to be a Laker because this is a team filled with winning tradition. LA fans have been spoiled by Chick, Jerry Buss, West, Magic, Kobe and used perfection as the guide stick, laker fans are not Clipper fans, Kings, Grizzlies fans who will accommodate someone like Luke and be happy with it. He will always expect criticisms if he's not apt to his job commensurate to his pay. Therefore on his 6th season, is it too much to expect a better return on investment in Luke in 2009 season? Go Luke, prove us that we are wrong

HATERS ARE WATCHING TO

Listen to the chaplain utzworld, please it’s important news
Laker Bloggers, Laker Nation this is something we need to do.
When we zip out those posts that we think are just for me and you
Remember, HATERS ARE WATCHING TO
Say it again ya’ll, HATERS ARE WATCHING TO!!!
1 more time now, HATERS ARE WATCHING TO!
Good god yall, HATERS ARE WATCHING TOO

When you get riled at Luke cause he’s not just like his dad
Just remember before you post something infantile and mad
When you long for the days of Kwame’s Magnificent Thighs too
Remember: HATERS ARE WATCHING TO!!
Say it again ya’ll, HATERS ARE WATCHING TO!!!
1 more time now, HATERS ARE WATCHING TO!
Good god yall, HATERS ARE WATCHING TOO

When you become mad at 10Rings when he does not call Time-Out
When you feel like one more second and his name you gonna shout
When you type a nasty post, before you send it through
Remember: HATERS ARE WATCHING TO!!
Say it again ya’ll, HATERS ARE WATCHING TO!!!
1 more time now, HATERS ARE WATCHING TO!
Good god yall, HATERS ARE WATCHING TOO

EVERYTBODY!!!
Remember: HATERS ARE WATCHING TO!!
Take it to the Bridge ya’ll HATERS ARE WATCHING TO!!!
1 more time now, HATERS ARE WATCHING TO!
Good god yall, HATERS ARE WATCHING TOO

131-92, Please refresh my memory - what do the call the trophy for having the best bench? Oh, yeah, it's the "Who Gives a Crap If You Didn't Win the O'Brien" Cup.
Posted by: exhelodrvr | October 14, 2009 at 09:30 AM

See 131-92 I told you kid you wouldn't stand a chance against Exhelodrvr
in a Mixed Martial Blog fight. He'd eat you alive!!!

131-92,

Who is us?

Posted by: wondahbap | October 14, 2009 at 09:20 AM

Wondahbap-

Oh now I get it. You were asking me a question. Well let me answer it for you ... how rude of me!

We are ...

1. the team with the most titles.
2. the team that has a 9-2 record vs the Lakers in the Finals.
3. the team that spanked you in the Finals 2 yrs ago and taught you how to be men.
4. the team that lent you the Trophy and are gonna take it back in June. (with interest)

Hope that helps. Now I have a question for you ... WHO'S YOUR DADDY?

131-92, Who is us? Posted by: wondahbap | October 14, 2009 at 09:20 AM

The man says so much with so few words. Therefore...Do I have to say it?
OUT FREAKING STANDING!!

Posted by: MAMBA24 | October 14, 2009 at 09:28 AM

Mamba-

No problem ... I can handle him. That was easier than Ray Ray going around Sasha!

Banner Folder-

Is this any way for a "man of the cloth" to speak? You dont know how hurt I am by your comments! Posted by: 131-92 | October 14, 2009 at 09:37 AM

Sarcasm that's always good. Come on kid they knock you all
around the ring!!! Put them dukes out and come out blasting.
The 131-92 I know would never stand there and be pummeled unmercilessly like this. If this goes on much longer without you defending yourself I'm gonna have your corner through out the towel. EYE OF THE TIGER 131-92! EYE OF THE TIGER!

1AndDone: "Now I have a question for you ... WHO'S YOUR DADDY?"

Dr. Jerry Buss. AND DON'T YOU FORGET IT!

Go Luke, prove us that we are wrong Posted by: Edwin Gueco | October 14, 2009 at 09:41 AM

AND SO THE CALL WENT FORTH…..
And on the far away world Tatawee Young Jedhi Luke put down his light saber and spoke to
Master Yoda. Master intoned young Luke, why are my Jedhi Basketball skills so maligned?
Master Yoda answered, Ah Young padowan pay them no mind. They are familiar with
The power of THE TRIANGLE FORCE. The fools think basketball can only be played one way
I suspect many of them have slipped under the spell of the Dark Lord 131-92. I Do!!
He weaves and enticing spell but when unraveled they are revealed to be much ado about
Nothing. Much like the young Biatch Paula The Truth Pierce. Yes Young Luke before she came under the Spell of the Dark Lord 132-91 young Paula was a man. Yes say I this and it is true. The Biatch was a man But she began dabbling on the darkside and became crippled and needed a wheelchair, she did SHE DID. Then WHEN Young Paul Pierce grew BREAST, Then was born that evil Biatch Paula The Truth Pierce. Also The Green Bald header Lunatic Darth K.G. I handsome very intelligent lad with a nice long Mop of hair was he. But alas he too grew fond of the darkside and look at him now. A stark raving baldheaded lunatic who actually believes the Boston Septics have a chance to win another title….
WHAT FURHTER SECRETS WILLL MASTEWR YODA REVEAL TO YOUNG LUKE…….STAY TUNED

Lakertruth

S.O.S!! U are surrounded!! U have breached a sensitive nerve that resides deep in the core of this blog nervous system called the luke neuron. Evacuate immediately! I repeat the luke antigens are multiplying and are out to get you. Run for your life!!!

Sing along with me, 1AndDone:

"Rising up. Back on the streets. Took my time. Took my chances. Went the distance now I'm back on my feet. Just a Leperchaun and his will to surviiiiive!"

131-92,

Typical of Celtics fan. You can't respond to a question without juvenile banter. I'll indulge you for a little bit though.

1. the team with the most titles. -- (13 of them in a glorified Rec league. 6-9 teams? Wow. So what.)

2. the team that has a 9-2 record vs the Lakers in the Finals. (Refer to #1.)

3. the team that spanked you in the Finals 2 yrs ago and taught you how to be men. - (Good for you. Spanked is an exaggerated, but you earned it. Since you think you taught us how to be men. Great. That just means it's our time. The aging dominant lion is eventually put out by a younger, stronger Lion.)

4. the team that lent you the Trophy and are gonna take it back in June. (with interest) - (Refer to #3. We are the latter. The old lion usually gets killed . We hope you get there though.)

So you can hold on to your memories from 2008, then maybe you'll get another one in what was it? 23 years? Your upgrade was a washed up Rasheed? Yay.

Sing along with me, 1AndDone: "Rising up. Back on the streets. Took my time. Took my chances. Went the distance now I'm back on my feet. Just a Leperchaun and his will to surviiiiive!" Posted by: utzworld - THE BANNER HOLDER | October 14, 2009 at 10:45 AM

THAT'S IT! THAT'S IT!!!! I HAVE TO SAY IT, I HAVE TO SAY IT!
utzworld THE BANNER HOLDER...OUT FREAKIN STANDING!!!!!
NO CONTEST!!! NO CONTEST!!!!!
IS THERE A DOCTOR IN THE HOUSE? OH THE HUMANITY!!!

131-92, Who is us? Posted by: wondahbap | October 14, 2009 at 09:20 AM

If you dont know who you are ... How am I supposed to know? Or are you auditioning for Jeopardy? Posted by: 131-92 | October 14, 2009 at 09:37 AM

WAIT A MINUTE! WAIT A MINUTE! ladies and gentleman 131-92 is rallying. Look at that beautiful feint. OH MY GOD! HE'S DOING THE ALI SHUFFLE! NO NO! IT CAN'T BE! 131 -92 has been doing the Rope-Dope all along. The man is like a Leprechaun possesed. Now this is the 131-92 I know. We just might be seeing a come from behind victory by 131-92.
I don't know if he can keep up the pressure this way but he is certainly showing the true heart of a champion.

So you can hold on to your memories from 2008, then maybe you'll get another one in what was it? 23 years? Your upgrade was a washed up Rasheed? Yay. Posted by: wondahbap | October 14, 2009 at 11:02 AM

WAIT A MINUTE! WAIT A MINUTE!! WONDAHBAP WAS PLAYING THE ROPE-A-DOPE ALSO. My god loook at them. They are in the middle of the ring throwing haymakers now. Any of those punches would have paralyzed a normal man for life but 131-92 and wondahbap just keep trading punches. Neither willing to give an inch. I WISH WE COULD CROWN 2 CHAMPIONS TONIGHT
But the tie goes to the champion. Onre more round to go can either of these two warriors come back out for one more round?... DO I HAVE TO SAY IT?... They are both:
OUT FREAKIN STANDING

Wondahbap -
No, you are wrong. We added GARNETT, Wallace, and Daniels to a team that lost to Orlando in 7 games.
Aging - ah, doesn't everyone age? Are not the lakers a year older as well??
Avg age lakers starters - 29.2 yrs
avg age CELTICS starters - 29.4 yrs
Avg age top 5 bench players (Odom, Walton, Brown, Farmar and Sasha) - 26.2 yrs
Avg age top 5 bench players (Hudson, House, Daniels, Davis, Wallace) - 28 yrs.What is your point?? Oh, yeah, that you are the YOUNG lion!!!!

HA HA HA LOL LMAO ROTFL

BK,

"Drugs, but I'm not saying which ones. "

I laughed and I guessed.

What do we play for? RINGS!!!!

Lakers Today... Lakers Tomorrow... Lakers Forever.

GO LAKERS!!!!

Wondahbap-

"Typical of Celtics fan. You can't respond to a question without juvenile banter. I'll indulge you for a little bit though."

The reason you got my typical Celtic fan "juvenile banter" response is because I got a typical ignorant Laker fan response from you! Did you think you were asking a intelligent question?

I originally had a baskeball take and was comparing benches and but you thought this was an audition for Jeopardy or The Comedy Store. You ask a stupid question ... your gonna get a stupid answer. We can either talk bk or non sense to each other ... doesnt matter to me cuz either way you dont stand a chance!

131-92,

"We can either talk bk or non sense to each other ... doesnt matter to me cuz either way you dont stand a chance!"

I find it odd that your response criticizing the intelligence of Lakers fans is composed of improper spelling and poor grammar. Don't you find that a little ironic?

By the way, would you honestly rather live in Boston than Los Angeles?

What do we play for? RINGS!!!

Lakers Today... Lakers Tomorrow... Lakers Forever.

GO LAKERS!!!

131-92,

"We can either talk bk or non sense to each other ... doesnt matter to me cuz either way you dont stand a chance!"

I find it odd that your response criticizing the intelligence of Lakers fans is composed of improper spelling and poor grammar. Don't you find that a little ironic?

By the way, would you honestly rather live in Boston than Los Angeles?

What do we play for? RINGS!!!

Lakers Today... Lakers Tomorrow... Lakers Forever.

GO LAKERS!!!

Jon K-

No I dont find it ironic. Just skip over my posts ... like I try to do with yours. I never said I was more intelligent then you ... I just know more bk then you.

Who said I live in Boston and not in LA?

BTW would you honestly rather live in Cleveland then ________?(fill in the blank)

Posted by: Jon K. | October 14, 2009 at 01:35 PM

utzworld - just a hunch, but Will Rogers never met you, did he?

I ain't touching this Luke racial discussion with a ten foot pole of a KKK cross.

For me and most here, we see only purple and gold. Corny to be said, but true.

Lukes contract? You might have a point. Too long and slightly overpaid.

I think if they would have let the market play out longer than the one minute that Mitch did, I feel the Lakers could have swung a better deal.

But understand, the Lakers brain trust felt it was necessary to do this, even if some disagree. And they are pretty smart people.

In the end, its their money and really, I'm for the players getting the best deal they can get in these short NBA careers. Ariza wasn't even on the minds of the Lakers when they signed Luke. It was more Pau's contract that sealed the Lakers current cap problems.

I'm no real fan of Luke, I thought we could do better, but he is a valuable off the bench guy, that every quality NBA team needs. If we have an injury, he can fill in capably. Not many guys can come in and work the triangle so nicely, and play Lakers team defense.

He definitely makes his team mates better.

No matter what, he's our guy, and that makes him a Lakers.

131-92,

Right. Asking "Who is us?" is ignorant? Yet, you admit you misunderstood that it was a real question by answering my question. Which one is it?

Nevermind, I don't care.

stillhavethoseballoons,

That argument really makes no sense. You could have a team with a 100 y.o., three 12 year olds, and one 11 year old and the average age would still be 29.4. So what was your point? I could explain how average age means nothing considering your TOP players are a certain age, and one of them just suffered a mysterious injury, and the other two were inconsistent in many 4th quarters this year. Including the Playoffs. Your #1 summer addition is a hair away from being officially washed up. With exceptions to Perk and Rondo, your top 6 guys are past their primes, or right at the down turn. My comment wasn't age bashing, just that the Celtics window just got a lot smaller. Our guys are fresh off of a Chip and all of them are in their primes, and in Bynum's case, not there yet.

Lester Hudson? Seriously?

Luke Walton
Luke Walton #4 SF
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2008-09 STATS
PPG RPG APG
5 2.8 2.7
Birth Date March 28, 1980
Birth Place San Diego, CA
Height 6-8
Weight 235 lbs.

Age 29
Position SF
Experience 6 years
College Arizona

Drafted 2003: 2nd Rnd, 3rd by LAL
Salary 2010: $4,840,000

"but since this is a blog and we have a right to be un-PC, i will say this... i have yet in my entire life find a luke fan who is either asian or black or any other non-white ethnicity for that matter who is actually a fan of luke."
posted by Yellow fever


Well, let's not fall for a rookie fallacy here - the people you know are not a good representative sample of Lake Show fans.

And please don't get me started about what constitutes a race/ethnicity, because we'll be in for a long discussion.

Can't you appreciate Luke for what he does?

Is he the best player on this team? No.
Is he the best player on the bench this year? No.

What he did in his contract year was pretty solid, and as someone else posted, he was the best Lake Show FA we signed that year. Nothing wrong with that.

Hey Edwin - hope you are well.

When phrased like that then no its not too much to ask that Luke improves lol...but usually such posts about Luke incorporate a certain lack of objectivity and in many cases balance and are usually pretty angry...He is what he is, they overpaid for him at the time in a completely different situation for the lakers in a tough tough summer when he was one guy who could bring some stability.

My guess is Kobe said - you better resign Luke (who was one of the guys Kobe had previously said he was happy to go to war with and thanked at the end of the season)...the contract, while big at the time, wasn't as outrageous back then as it is now which doesn't help but theres something fishy about them not allowing him to test the market.My guess is for whatever reason they really felt they couldnt afford to lose him but were not prepared to pay beyond what they did pay.I guess angry posts are one thing at the end of a crappy season but at this point of the proceedings and year I don't see the point.Luke once again will be called upon to be flexible and once again play that role with his head held high...we could be doing worse...even for 6 mil.as has been said before - if that is your worst contract you are doing okay...we have Odom and Artest on the cheap...you take the good with the bad ya know?

If you really need to get mad at someone - take it out on Sasha...he's one guy whose play really digressed after resigning and he cant seem to discipline himself to play the right way.He's far more deserving of the bloggers wrath.

Ah Wondahbap - Paul Pierce is only 10 months older than koME. In addition, koMe has played 41000 NBA mins to Pierce's 33,000. That's 2.5 yrs (40 mins per game for 82 games). Sorry, but that is a lot of mileage. Using your own argument, it's not how old you are, but how much wear and tear there is on your body. IF KG is healthy (IF), the Celtics will be very viable for TWO more years, or about as long as koME is officially under contract.

stillhavethoseballoons?,

"Using your own argument, it's not how old you are, but how much wear and tear there is on your body."

I never said anything about wear and tear. It's your argument, not mine.


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