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NBA.com GM Survey Results

This just in.  All 30 GM's agree that Sun Yue is the NBA's best player, even if he gets cut from the Knicks and doesn't even play in the NBA this season!  He's just that good.  What a scoop!!!

Were that actual news.  Which it's not.  That's just me being a jokester.

But I'm not kidding at all that results from the annual NBA.com General Manager survey have been released.  And by and large, I think Lakers fans will like what they see.  In a nutshell, the brain trusts around the league consider the Lakers a force to be reckoned with, whether you're talking individual players or as a collective.

Below the jump are the categories, along with a few brief comments:
Season
  • As one would expect, big things predicted for the purple and gold.  The Lakers are pegged by a whopping 96.6% to win the Pacific, 75.9% to win the West (the Spurs representing the consensus' remaining 24%) and to repeat as champs by nearly 61%.  The only aspects of this particular poll that might raise eyebrows is Portland getting the edge over Denver as the Northwest champeens and NOBODY giving the Magic a shot at winning it all after making last season's Finals. Lotta Hedo Turkoglu and Courtney Lee fans out there, it would appear.  

Players

  • Remember how I said Lakers fans would like what they see, by and large?  The caveat mostly referred to the "MVP" poll results.  Let's just say the Lakers aren't the only entity forecast to retain a trophy.  LeBron James snatched up 69% of the vote, with Kobe in second at 17%.  Even acknowledging James' obvious worthiness, I get why Laker fans would consider this a snub.  But really, as long as Kobe wins Finals MVP, it's ultimately small potatoes.
  • The voting gap between LBJ and Kobe narrowed when it comes to a single player that forces the most coaching adjustments (39% vs. 23%, respectively), but what I found most interesting is a name popping up in "Also receiving votes": Lamar Odom.  Mind you, "interesting" isn't the same as "surprising," because many a scout and/or coach has told BK and me about how dramatically LO's ability to create (and prevent) mismatches changes a game's complexion.  But considering the other names cited (Kobe, LBJ, Wade, Shaq, Dwight, CP3), his mention is nonetheless interesting.
  • Kobe ran away with "best shooting guard."  Pau Gasol received votes behind the Big 3 of Duncan, KG and Dirk.
Rookie/International
  • The Lakers don't have any of the former, but Gasol finished behind Dirk Nowitzki as the league's best player from out of town. 
Defense
  • Those hoping for even more lockdown this season should enjoy the following results.  Ron Artest and Kobe are everywhere, whether "Best Defensive player," "Best Perimeter defender," "Best at playing the Passing Lanes," etc.  The Lakers only nabbed 7% when it comes to best defensive team, but I honestly think their D has been quite underrated the last couple seasons.  And even if that 7% is about right, that would make the Lakers a top-3 squad on that side of the ball, which, combined with the league's best O, is a pretty good formula for Larry O'Brien avoiding a "change of address" card.
Offseason Moves
  • A fair amount of goodwill towards Ron Ron, initially viewed by many as a potential powder keg addition, on and off the court.  Thus, it's no surprise his presence in L.A. ranked as the most surprising move (19.2%), but 14.3% of those polled think he'll finish just behind V.C. in Orlando as the biggest impact newbie. 
Coaches
  • Save "Best defensive Adjustments," Phil Jackson ranked in the top 4 for every applicable category and owned "Best coach," "Best people manager/motivator," and Best offense."   B.Shaw received votes for "Best Assistant," and not surprisingly, the sage Derek Fisher won out as the current player that strikes voters as the best head coach in the making (30.2%). 
Miscellaneous
  • The equivalent of Vegas' Super Bowl prop bets, with plenty of purple and gold representation.  As long as a victory comes against someone else's team, more GM's (30.8%) find the Lake Show the league's most purely fun team to watch.  Staples Center has been accused (often rightfully) as a fairly sterile and mellow arena, but it still garners the league's third best home court advantage.
  • Kobe won "best at getting his own shot" by a lot (69%), "Player you'd want to take a shot with the game on the line" by a LOT (almost 90%) and placed second to new mate Artest as the league's resident tough dude.  He also lagged behind old nemesi Steve Nash for "Best BBall IQ" and Chauncey Billups for "Best Leader."  The latter showing really reflects the shifting perception of Bryant. 
  • Gasol received votes in the brainy column, as well as "Best offensive rebounder."
AK
 
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All signs point for Los Angeles to capture another title, all there is to do is let it all fall into place.

Come on lay of Sun, the worst player is Wil Conroy...he's the most irritating player to watch, he makes a turnover, then goes into the "let's go team" mode...saw it a few years ago at Laker training camp in Honolulu...

Why did you pick Sun Yue, answer me that?

"This is your brain on the box. This is my brain on the box. Does anybody else feel like a fried egg? " (The Riddler)

AND JUST WHERE ARE THE MILLIONS OF ACCOLADES FOR VON WAFER!!
IF HE WERE HERE NO ONE WOULD EVEN THINK ABOUT RON-RON!!!
OH THE HUMANITY!!!

What? You mean the GM's aren't picking the Celtics to win it all?


Hmmmmm.......

What? You mean the GM's aren't picking the Celtics to win it all? Hmmmmm....... Posted by: longtimelakerlover | October 06, 2009 at 12:31 PM

Please, please, please!!! Don't say such things even in jest. Any minute now we can expect a visit from Red's Love child to defend celtic honor. Wait a minute did I really put celtics and honor in the same sentence?

Outfreaking standing on the part of the GMs for putting Bryant as 2nd best leader in the league ...

Also good to know that on paper at least, we've got 2 of the toughest guys in the league

Can't wait for the new season.


AK,


>>> “and not surprisingly, the sage Derek Fisher won out as the current player
>>> that strikes voters as the best head coach in the making (30.2%).


Not surprisingly? What an ironic adverb to select since you basically dissed my idea of Fisher as head coach when I first brought it up. Why don’t you jump all over those GM’s who would choose Fisher when he has never specifically expressed any desire or interest to coach? Just another crazy LakerTom idea with no substance. LOL.


Tom

What - no love for Kwame???? Not even for most magnificent calves??? Wow!

Eagleboy

Laker Tom,

"AK,

>>> “and not surprisingly, the sage Derek Fisher won out as the current player
>>> that strikes voters as the best head coach in the making (30.2%).


Not surprisingly? What an ironic adverb to select since you basically dissed my idea of Fisher as head coach when I first brought it up. Why don’t you jump all over those GM’s who would choose Fisher when he has never specifically expressed any desire or interest to coach? Just another crazy LakerTom idea with no substance. LOL."


No, Tom, I didn't "diss" your idea of Fish as head coach. I've said on many occasions that Fish would be a terrific coach some day. I've never claimed otherwise. What I ACTUALLY said is that your idea of Fish going straight from retired player to head coach of the Lakers (presumably still a contending team) without an ounce of time and experience as an assistant coach is completely farfetched and less than ideal. And I stand by that contention, as did the overwhelming majority of the blog's readership (not to mention every GM around the league, apparently, since roughly players make this leap).


How about a little accuracy to go along with the condescending chest puffing?


AK

131-92,

UCLA or Duke is not a tough answer - it is just like the Lakers and the Celtics. UCLA has the most titles and Duke has been the better program in terms of more recent success. As time changes so does who is the best, at least to me it seems to. I think the Yankees are the best baseball franchise; they have the most titles and have had a good deal of recent success as well. In hockey Montreal has the most Stanley Cups, but they have been crap since 1992. Clearly I am too stupid to make my idiotic point that you can look at history in different periods of time. Historically we look at world powers in segments of time and can say the Roman Empire was once the great superpower and it is no longer, but that is just flat out stupid, I don't understand how all those brilliant historians could be so wrong. You are way too intelligent for me to argue with. I bow to your greatness and intellectual prowess.

EagleBoy

Posted by: EagleBoy | October 06, 2009 at 11:56 AM

EagleBoy

Dont be so hard on yourself. Im sure you are almost smart enough to argue with me. You wrote a big long post but didnt answer the simple question I asked ... Which is the better program ... Ucla or Duke? Please pick ONE ... they both cant be the better program!

Maybe we are arguing different points. If you are telling me that the Lakers have been the better franchise for the last 30yrs "only" I "might" be willing to agree that they have been. But until the Lakers pass us in number of title won ... I gotta go with the Celtics "overall."

Mamba,

Please, please, please!!! Don't say such things even in jest. Any minute now we can expect a visit from Red's Love child to defend celtic honor. Wait a minute did I really put celtics and honor in the same sentence?


Posted by: MAMBA24 | October 06, 2009 at 12:36 PM

If not Red then Im willing to sub for him!


AK,

you wrote: How about a little accuracy to go along with the condescending chest puffing?

nicely worded. Can I use this later? :)

AK

Agreed that the Laker defense is generally underrated. I think, in part, it's because they are so polished and effecient and fun to watch on the offensive end that the D is sort of left on the back burner as far as attention paid.


Also, if everyone started talking about the Laker D then they would have to explain why they pick Boston to finish ahead of the Lakers in terms of coming home with the Larry O.


Heck, take away Artest and you have one guy who plays League All-Defense (Kobe) and a bunch of unheralded, yet solid defenders. Not a lot of flashy stats like blocks and steals to go around, just good defence.


Personally, I'd take good team numbers in every defensive catagory as opposed to one or two guys excelling in a particular area. My thinking is that if you average a lot of steals on a team that, at the end of a game, has given up a lot of points you've probably hurt your team by gambling too much in the passing lanes.


If you blocked 4 shots but fail to contest every shot, it looks like you've had a great game stats-wise, but if you lost by two I'll wager the coaching staff will want to bend your ear about being consistent in your covers and on contesting forays to the rim.


This is along the lines with yesterdays discussion of PER. Stats are indicators of good play, not absolute guarantees of good play. As well, good individual play doesn't always translate into team wins (see Allen Iverson's career). For me, I'll take a Fisher over Iverson without even thinking about it because Fish fits so well on our team.


Which in turn leads us back to Ron Artest. The Riddler sized question mark around our season will be how he meshes with our Championship squad. Will he be willing to sacrifice individual stats and accomplishments in order to acquire the ultimate NBA prize? Will he put his boxing career on hold? Time will tell.

And Time Loves a Hero.

The better center, in PJ's eyes, will be the player in that position at the end of close games. That will probably be Bynum at some point. But it isn't yet.

Um, how is Pau rated behind Dirk for best international player, and behind Dirk, KG and Duncan for best PF? I'd have agreed with those assessments, say, 4 years ago....


AK,


Fair enouugh. I was really just kidding but as usual but we don't seem to share the same sense of humor. "Condescending chess puffing?" I guess if you say so, it must be. LOL.


Tom


humanomaly is the new Mike T.

At least Kwame had an impact on the team...and on birtdays.

Mamba24 -

Can't help it. I hate 'em.

GO LAKERS!

What? You mean the GM's aren't picking the Celtics to win it all?


Hmmmmm.......

Posted by: longtimelakerlover | October 06, 2009 at 12:31 PM


No....oh, oh, but Reggie Miller and Rick Kamla did, like 82-101 and Red's Cigar Burn said. Excuse me for a second...

BWHAHAHAHAHA!

You know what makes cheering for the "defending World champions" the greatest?

saying absolutely nothing.

that whole mindless backtalk "LBJ is MVP!" ..."No, Kobe is the MVP!" is soooo last year. a year ago, i said i didn't care about Kobe winning the MVP over LeBron and this year i mean that 1,000x more. ...in the grand scheme of things, that whole "who's better" debate is so trivial to what we have accomplished, and what are now in the process of building, that we are now above those arguments.

so, NBA GMs, I agree with you. LBJ is the front runner for another MVP. ...we have a date with destiny to worry about so i hope fans don't get their panties in a bunch this season over the retread "Kobe v. LeBron" nonsense.

Javier Cabrera

And you could say all roads lead to a Lakers Championship parade on Figueroa in June.

What do these GM's know?

Fatty - Who's blog per is approaching 22.4 -

131-92,

UCLA is the better program if number of titles is your criteria, so in total yes UCLA is the ‘best’ program. Duke is the better program if you want to judge more recent success having - 3 to 1 since 1990. I give the edge to Duke because it has the more recent title. Florida and Kentucky seem to best this decade. Just like the Lakers have been the better franchise for this decade and the past thirty years which is the only point I have argued. Trust me, I may be stupid but I can count, I understand that overall the Celtics have more titles. My contention has always been that in terms of more recent success the Lakers have been the better franchise. I have tried every way my little brain can to get that point across to you.

Peace,
Eagleboy

BTW - As a Celtic fan do you find it odd that 3% of the GM’s think the Suns will win the Pacific? I mean the Celts got 100% - rightly so in my opinion – and the Lakers didn’t. I know it doesn’t mean anything. I am just curious if even an esteemed Celtic fan such as yourself might find that odd. Let me know. I gotta run.

Mamba24 - it's about time you came out of hibernation!! Get that thong on and get the show on the road lol! (Well - wait a second - are you in midseason form? Or should we be afraid?)


I'll be here tomorrow for roll call fo shizzle! UTZ - make sure you're here too, brother!


LakerTom - no mixing up justa's. The only mixing allowed on here is at the bar.... Speaking of which - where are you Boozy McBooze?? The preseason is here!!!!! LOL!


I'm so excited - I'll be surprised if I can even sleep tonight!!!!!! (You can tell I'm excited by the number of exclamation points I'm using.... It's a good thing there's no quota on them....)

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Forget the GM percentages, I like the actual numbers better.

To win it all, GM's count:

Lakers 19
Celtics 6
Cavs 6

Pacific Division, this is good:

Lakers 29
Suns 1

I wonder what GM Yahoo voted for the Suns? Was it Kerr or Ainge of the Celtics?

Seeing as it's probably not Kerr of the Suns. He's on the record as saying they are rebuilding. Must be Ainge. If not either, then some team owner needs to fire his GM for incompetence.

Fatty- Who with that observation had his blog per move up to 23.7

>>If not Red then Im willing to sub for him! Posted by: 131-92 | October 06, 2009 at 01:22 PM >>

131-92, to quote a very wise man "don't be so hard on yourself" In a million years red could not fit the shoes you walk in. we may be sports rivals, but even an idiot would have to admit your posts are always logical and cogent. You have the rare ability to make fun of a person and have that person not become indignant and in fact a lot of cases laugh along with you. Hell, I know i'll be attacked for saying this but I would almost rather sit down and have a brew with you rather than certain so-called laker bloggers.
What only good fans understand is a good rivalry between teams help to bring out the best in both teams ., and a good argument among sports fans of those rivals help one to enjoy the season and the games just that much more. It also quite as it is kept helps everbody learn things they might never have learned otherwise. So 131, I salute you and thank you for all the zingers you sent my way, because you helped me grow as a sports fan. Now don't get to big-headed because I still think KG is a raving bald headed lunatic - of course i would not mind having that lunatic on my team. I think Paula pierce is a damn drama queen - but he out played everybody in that championship against the Lakers. Also I hate to say this but it will indeed be another 20 years before the celtics ever, EV ER! get even a sniff of another title.
Still in all you are a good brother, now keep those zingers coming. Sorry I have to go now a mad Laker crowd with pitch forks and tar and feathers are comming my way. HEY PAULA PEIRCE WAIT UP! CAN YOU GIVE A BROTHER A RIDE ON THAT CHAIR!!

MAMBA24

Mamba24 - it's about time you came out of hibernation!! Get that thong on and get the show on the road lol! (Well - wait a second - are you in midseason form? Or should we be afraid?)Posted by: justanothermambafan | October 06, 2009 at 02:51 PM

Be afraid, be very afraid. My god man I scare myself sometimes when I see that raving lunatic in the mirror with the Purple thong on. Then after letting out a blood curdling scream I realize it's me and scream even harder. Lol!

Dirt Nowinski ahead of PAU GASOL????

How does that happen???

Is there a parallel universe I'm not aware of???

Kobe anyday over lecrap

LakerTom - come on man - get real - you KNOW you chest puff condescendingly - like ALL the time... :)

ROTFLMAO!!!

GM's are picking Princess Jimmy for MVP again?

She's going to be the next Steve Nash - always a bridesmaid but never a bride. LMAO!

Fatty - I think there's more than one GM yahoo out there....

Survey just shows what a bunch of conventional thinkers and traditionalists, NBA GMs are as a group. Essentially, like a lot of top management in the business world, they are paid not to make mistakes instead of making the winning moves. (Jerry West was an incredible exception to this crowd.)
Picking Pau Gasol as 4th behind Duncan, Garnett and Dirk would have been correct 3, 4 or even 2 years ago. But that is then, and now is now. I guess Pau would have to win 3 more championships like Tim before he has GMs convinced.
Garnett and Nowitzki are big chokers.
Picking Dirk ahead of Pau as best foreign player is also another sign of conventional thinking. Nowitzki might have better individual numbers but Gasol makes his team better. So what if Gasol is No. 2 behind Kobe, and Dirk is the leader of his team. Dirk's leadership resulted in a heavily favored Dallas team losing to Miami in the Finals.

AK,
What does that tell you about how strong the Lakers are - they win the title with the best player in the league not getting any PT, and then they release him the following year. (I assume as punishment for the time the team plane had to wait for him.)

Let it roll:


Who is the toughest player in the NBA?


1. Ron Artest, L.A. Lakers 42.9%
2. Kobe Bryant, L.A. Lakers 10.7%
3. Kevin Garnett, Boston 7.1%
3. Shaquille O'Neal, Cleveland 7.1%
3. Dwyane Wade, Miami 7.1%


Wes

Regarding Bynum and not playing with the starters in the scrimmage lineup: We have to remember that PJ is trying to get a significant addition to the best 5 of the Lakers into his role - Artest. That is the major adjustment that Lakers have to make this season. In this scenario, the best way to get Ron into the mix is to have him play with the 4 most experienced Lakers: Kobe, Pau, Fisher and Lamar.
Bynum for all his potential is not yet a seasoned player.
Although I still expect PJ to start Drew, and have LO as sixth man throughout the season with LO finishing games.
The reason for that is the Lakers do think that Bynum is the next great Laker center and though it is not yet his time, it is good for him to mentally be in a certain frame of mind, and that is the self-image as one of the NBA's top centers. Portland is doing the same thing with Oden.
LO will finish most games though since he is a lot more experienced, and the team's passing and game flow just goes smoother with him on the floor, and he creates more mismatches.

EagleBoy

I dont want you to use "my criteria." I know what my answer is ... I wanted to know your answer.

Who had the best reg. season record last year? Answer ... The Cavs
Who was the best team last year? Answer ... The Lakers.
Why? Answer ... Cuz they won the title.

So if winning the title makes you the best team then it stands to reason the team with the most titles is the best. See how simple that was. You know if a=b then b=a.

I dont know if its odd that someone would not pick the Lakers but there is always one in every crowd. Its probably Clipps GM or your boy in Memphis.

little chicken,

If GMs could pick winners they would live in Vegas!

Fatty,

Im sure it was not Ainge ... he's too smart. Thats why we are here to stay. Its probably the guy in Memphis who gifted you Pau for Kwamie. The more the Lakers win the stupider he looks.

I am pleased to hear that Phil will keep the same crunch time lineup heading into the season. Bynum will have to earn those minutes and basically take it away from Lamar. Not only does Bynum have to prove to the coaches that he has regained his form, but he also has to establish a chemistry with Pau and the other starters (something Lamar has already established). Based on Phil's decision, it seems he agrees with most of the sane bloggers here that Bynum has the potential to be a better center than Pau, but as of right now, Pau is clearly the better center.

hmmmm. AK feels the footsteps. nyuck nyuck.

Teams that didn't win it all last year and didn't come back better this year (or at least their fans)care about what people say in the preseason. Winners (and their fans) worry about what teams actually do once the season starts. Which in the NBA is usually April, i guess. But y'all know what i'm saying.

THE LOVE CAME HERE TO KICK ASS AND CHEW BUBBLE GUM

AND THE LOVE IS ALL OUT OF BUBBLE GUM

HOW MANY DAYS, HOW MANY DAYS!?

IT IS ALL ABOUT THE LOVE

GO LAKERS!


ex,


Thanks for the link to Kevin Ding’s latest article. I am always amazed at how this guy seems to always come up with stuff that nobody else has. There is a great wealth of information for any Lakers fan who wants to learn more about what to expect from Drew this year and put to bed some of the vicious rumors that the Bynum Bashers continue to throw around. Here are a couple of excerpts:


>>>


And expectations actually need to be raised given the lack of publicity to this point about the well-focused upgrades in Bynum’s pick-and-roll defense and driving explosion on offense that are set to arise from his offseason workouts
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And he can still rock the world with it, too.
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He showed that Saturday night in the Lakers’ intrasquad scrimmage, even though he was on the losing second unit. (Has he lost his starting job? Relax and consider that DJ Mbenga is nursing a hip problem and the only way to scrimmage reasonably was to put centers Pau Gasol and Bynum on different teams.)
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From the edge of the free-throw line, Bynum roared toward the basket in the scrimmage, took two dribbles and delivered the sort of moment that might get Dirk Nowitzki sweating the security of his No. 7 spot on that per-minute NBA productivity chart for this season.
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“Spectacular play,” said Phil Jackson, an old-timer you know by now is not easily impressed when it comes to this young-timer.
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Besides all the emphasis over the summer on lower-body workouts to build up Bynum’s base, he worked with former NBA player Gerald Wilkins and Zarzana on exploding all the way to the basket – particularly out of the weak-side framework of the triangle offense.
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Bynum even studied video footage of Gasol to mimic the footwork involved in jab-stepping to set up a drive from the high post.
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The Lakers would prefer that Bynum stay local over the summer and do more work with their staff of training experts, but Zarzana does have Bynum’s unshakable trust and offers Zarzana what he laughs about is “a captive audience.”
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See, the Bynum you might know from such well-viewed Web videos as “Making it Rain Dollars in the I-Just-Turned-21 Club!” and “You Too Would Visit the Playboy Mansion, If You Were Invited” actually lives in Zarzana’s suburban Atlanta home with Zarzana’s kids for more than a month to focus entirely on training. Hardly a small commitment.


>>>


Tom

"...man, things have changed around here ...feels weird and corporate.
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Posted by: CBuck | October 05, 2009 at 09:21 PM

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sorry, cbuck. I really didn't know anybody else was going to do a fantasy team this year. anyway, we got one team going. I would love to join yours too, if you have any spots left. how can I get the password?


These are really fun stats. Shows the GMs of the league definitely know what they are doing. Let's hope they keep underrating Pau so we can resign him for cheap.

Mamba,

Thanks for the kind words ... I agree 100%. Dont worry about gettn attacked ... you speak "the truth"

I like a good Laker/Celtic argument ... thats why I come in here. I dont want to read about how great the Celtics are in a Celtic blog. Its like preseason camps ... players get tired of the scrimaging against their own guys and want to go against other teams. I feel the same way. Thats how I work on my game.

KG may be a raving bald headed lunatic but he is our raving bald headed lunatic.

Paula isnt a drama queen ... he is a Celtic! But dont worry he will give you a ride. There is a lot of room on that chair ... he put the Celtics on it and took them to the top of the mountain. Just dont be wearing a purple and gold jersey with #24 on it .. or 8 for that matter!

New post.

BK

Laker Tom,

"Fair enouugh. I was really just kidding but as usual but we don't seem to share the same sense of humor. "Condescending chess puffing?" I guess if you say so, it must be. LOL. "


As I've explained on numerous occasions, if you present "my words" differently than what I actually said (in this case, WAY off the mark), I'm going to fail to see the "humor" or look hard for the "joke."


AK

Mamba mamba mamba!
Good to have u back. The heart and soul

But what's this silly talk about you in a thong? Oh the horror! I don't have to know what u look like cause the ungodly sight of any man in a laker thong is just terrifying! Lol

And what's this crazy talk about you paying compliments to a troll let alone a celtic troll?! Have u too of all people been smitten by the celtic bug? Noooooo. That is the ultimate cardinal sin. Its still beyond me how this troll has managed to infiltrate the core of our blog like a parasite just sucking our precious time away.. He or it must be contained!!

I vote for a new bandwagon "eliminate and destroy the celtic troll"

yellofever,
"And what's this crazy talk about you paying compliments to a troll let alone a celtic troll?! "

Sshh!! It's a trap - shut up or you're going to blow it!!

Zarzana is much better than Jabbar. LMAO!

131-92

You asked me a question and I gave you the answer - UCLA is the best program in college basketball because they have the most championships of all-time, using that criteria. Now you answer me, is Princeton the best college football program of all time? Your answer has to be yes without question right? It not, explain. Who is the greater golfer Jack Nicklaus or Sam Snead? Sam Snead must be since he won more PGA events...sometimes on measure doesn't tell the whole story.

EagleBoy

With all the things mentioned, then Kobe is not the MVP as fore casted by GMs?

Anyways, hoping for the best.
Can't wait for this season.

I miss NBA Basketball.

EagleBoy,

You keep saying "using that critera." I dont want you to use "that critera." Use any critera you want. Ucla has won 1 title and lost 1 time to Louisville in the title game since basketball was invented in 1980. (according to Laker fan)The Celtics have won 6 titles and lost 2 other times in the Finals during that same period. Just like you feel its more difficult to repeat now in the NBA cuz of all the changes ... you must agree its more difficult now to repeat in college because of all the scholarship changes. Yet you take into account Ucla's titles of the 60s and 70s but you just ignore the Celtic titles.

I dont understand? Why doesnt "that criteria" apply to both teams?

I think the Princeton argument doesnt apply because the Celtics didnt win their Titles in the 1800s. The game of basketball has changed since 1969 but not as much as the game of football has since the 1800s.

As far as your golf reference ... Im not a golf guy but didnt Nicholas win the most majors? Maybe winning the PGA is like winning your division in the NBA but not winning the Title. I dont know cuz I dont follow it. But I do know that when they talk about Tiger ... All I ever hear is that he is closing in on Nicholas in Majors won. I believe Nicholas has like 17 or 18. (I guess 17 is the magic number for greatness)

Phred et al.

So there is already a Lakers Blog fantasy league? I didn't know... but if so, let me know b/c there's no need to have dueling leagues. we can be one big happy family

but if not... the Password: jerrybuss
the other pertinent info is down below
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Only 14 spots* and the returning players have already been sent e-mails, so sign up ASAP.
http://basketball.fantasysports.yahoo.com/league/lakersblog2009
League ID: 203852
Live draft is Sunday, Oct. 25 @ 4:35 p.m. PST**
* can possibly add two more if necessary.
** subject to change to accomodate the majority's schedule
Posted by: CBuck | October 05, 2009 at 09:21 PM

Whoops. Hey, two fantasy leagues is better than none, right?

sorry, cbuck. I really didn't know anybody else was going to do a fantasy team this year. anyway, we got one team going. I would love to join yours too, if you have any spots left. how can I get the password?


Posted by: phred | October 06, 2009 at 04:48 PM

131-92,

You said: You keep saying "using that critera." I dont want you to use "that critera." Use any criteria you want.

I say “Huh?” That makes sense, don’t use “that” criteria but use any criteria you want. OK then, now I know the level of intelligence I am debating with.

Besides I said UCLA because they have the most titles get the nod all time. However the point you seem to refuse to accept is that the Lakers are the better franchise in recent history. Get this through your head Boston has the most titles in NBA history, I don’t and have never have contended otherwise. I would say the gap is closing rapidly and will in all likelihood shrink more after the Lakers win it again this year.

You said: Ucla has won 1 title and lost 1 time to Louisville in the title game since basketball was invented in 1980. (according to Laker fan)The Celtics have won 6 titles and lost 2 other times in the Finals during that same period.

I say where did the extra two titles come from? They won 80-81,83-84,85-86,07-08. Seems like 4 to me. And you say I am the idiot?

You said: I think the Princeton argument doesnt apply because the Celtics didnt win their Titles in the 1800s. The game of basketball has changed since 1969 but not as much as the game of football has since the 1800s.

I say the rules of the NBA have changed dramatically since the late 50’s through the 60’s. The territorial draft no longer exists – BTW in 1965 the Knicks got Bill Bradley from Princeton ahead of the Warriors that held the #1 pick. Free agency: Hello? If someone had thrown millions at Russell like the Lakers did to Shaq, BR could well have left Boston, most likely ending the dynasty. He was THAT good. Take into account the 24 second clock, hand checking, three point shot, expansion from 8 to 30 , more playoff series, zones, flagrant fouls, drug testing, etc. - the list goes on. And it is clearly not the same league the Celts dominated or the Lakers before that.

Your point about football changing is legit – because it is a different game and you can’t compare by-gone eras. Sometimes a little perspective is needed when using one single piece of data to determine something as subjective as the best program/team of all time. Thank you for finally agreeing with me. I know you still believe the Celtics are the GOAT and I say the Lakers – gee how odd fans of the two best franchises in the NBA thinking their team is the best. Good day.

I am pleased to hear that Phil will keep the same crunch time lineup heading into the season. Bynum will have to earn those minutes and basically take it away from Lamar. Not only does Bynum have to prove to the coaches that he has regained his form, but he also has to establish a chemistry with Pau and the other starters (something Lamar has already established). Based on Phil's decision, it seems he agrees with most of the sane bloggers here that Bynum has the potential to be a better center than Pau, but as of right now, Pau is clearly the better center.

Posted by: LAKER TRUTH | October 06, 2009 at 04:06 PM

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I don't understand your logic or PJ's on his. Please explain and elaborate.

AB is a better center than Pau and Pau is a better PF than AB. As to LO it was not until this last season that he became a 6th man. He disliked the idea at first as being in contract year but accepted it later.

Now this is the same LO that the majority of bloggers were saying he was not in the game, he disappeared etc and made bonehead plays. Most demanded he be traded. So until last year he was an enignma (sp?). But now he is better than AB? How? Let's see if no more freak injuries occur and he plays to his potential then judge whether he deserves to end games. This also holds true of LO playing to his potential and not reverting to previous lost LO playing style now that he has new contract.

Tim Duncan will get his fifth ring before Kobe and Shaq.


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