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I stopped Lakers assistant coach Brian Shaw last week at practice and asked him a fairly simple question: How much of being a good individual defender is based on the defensive abilities of the four other guys on the floor? His answer didn't necessarily go in the direction I expected, but contained some interesting thoughts:

"The guys who that are good individual defenders just have the knack or desire not to want to allow their man to penetrate or to score on them. Some guys have that, and will fight for every inch of space on the floor, and then when you add to that fact that they have four other guys out there with him that are on the same page and that have their backs, that makes their individual defensive abilities stand out even more.

We have guys on the team like Ron (Artest), and Kobe (Bryant) when he wants to be, that when they get into the mindset that they want to shut you down, physically they can slide their feet, they can get in front of you, they can reach and deflect passes and dribbles. So as an offensive player, you don’t even want to come that way if you see them on that side of the floor. As a player, I remember playing against George Karl’s Seattle teams, with Gary Payton and Shawn Kemp, and they some really active big men. I wouldn’t want to get into a screen roll with Gary Payton guarding me, and then Shawn Kemp or someone jumping out and trapping me because they were so active and Gary was such a good individual defender that a lot of times I would think, “I don’t want to deal with that,” so I’d go the other way with it.

Once you establish that you have that mentality, that seeps into the minds of your opponent, and half the battle is won right there."

The notion that great defenders can cut off sections of the floor like an elite defensive back cuts off half the football field makes sense intellectually (great shotblockers have always discouraged penetration) but I've never heard it put quite like the way Shaw did above in regards to play outside the lane. As the season develops, it'll be interesting to see if the Lakers can, at least periodically, create that sort of environment for opposing offenses.

The tools seem available. Artest's defensive reputation carries weight beyond his still-high skills on that end. Kobe, as Shaw said, can be as good as anyone. Add in Lamar Odom's versatility on that end with the (anticipated) development of Andrew Bynum in the lane and on the screen and roll, and it paints a pretty picture for Lakers fans. That's not including Pau Gasol, an underrated defender in his own right.

Here's the rest of the brief Q and A with Shaw:

How much of being a good individual defender is athletic ability, how much is effort?

Shaw: It comes down to effort. Athletic ability enhances it and adds to it obviously, because you can recover from mistakes that you’ve made easier if you’re athletic, but really it’s just desire and effort. Wanting to stop people and wanting to do whatever it takes to defend your basket, and not let anybody score.

Q: Is one of the harder things about coaching defense getting people to understand that even though they may feel they’re working hard, they might not be going as hard as they can?

Shaw:
Yeah. It helps when you have your best player and best players that are also your best defensive players. If they’re out there giving the effort, then obviously you expect it from the players that are lower in the pecking order. Everybody in this game loves to score. You want them to have the same eagerness and activity level and thrust and drive that they do on the offensive end on the defensive end. If the players can match that, then you should have a pretty good defensive team.

I also asked the same opening question I directed at Shaw about the collective nature of defense to Phil Jackson. His response is another good guide to understanding how each player has a responsibility not only to guard his man but to direct the flow of the opposition's offense to help maintain order in their system:

Our term for the guy that’s on ball is that he’s a container. He contains the guy. If he can’t contain the guy, we’re in trouble because immediately you end up having problems with breakdown. It’s really important that ballplayers can contain, somewhat contain, their man, and control the direction that they’re going to move the ball. Off the dribble, for example, we really ask that to happen. We don’t like middle penetration. We don’t want the middle to be penetrated to where the point guard has both options (pass or shoot), and probably the big man on top of it to make passes to. We want to take those options away.

More stuff to watch for now that the real games are here.

BK

 
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["It's fascinating to me," Bryant said. "All the years of being here in Los Angeles with the fans and everything, and some think, 'Aw, he's getting older and the clock's ticking and blah-blah-blah-blah.' I've been playing for all these years, and you guys still don't know what I'm about."
He leaned forward and clapped his hands for emphasis as he spoke. He also laughed before continuing.
"It's fascinating to me. Understand that you have a player here who is going to do – by any means necessary – whatever it takes to help us get back to that level. No matter what."]

Whatever it takes, we shall repeat ...

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Mamba24,

Where's the "Tomorrow we get our rings, and begin our quest for another" bandwaggon ...

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>> We have guys on the team like Ron (Artest), and Kobe (Bryant) when he wants to be, that when they get into the mindset that they want to shut you down, physically they can slide their feet, they can get in front of you, they can reach and deflect passes and dribbles. So as an offensive player, you don’t even want to come that way if you see them on that side of the floor. Once you establish that you have that mentality, that seeps into the minds of your opponent, and half the battle is won right there." Artest's defensive reputation carries weight beyond his still-high skills on that end. Kobe, can be as good as anyone. Add in Lamar Odom's versatility on that end with the (anticipated) development of Andrew Bynum in the lane and on the screen and roll, and it paints a pretty picture for Lakers fans. That's not including Pau Gasol, an underrated defender in his own right.>>
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Tom

REPOST

Jon K (and others),

I agree with you that San Antonio could be the second best team in the league, talent-wise. But like I said in the write up (perhaps not clearly enough), I'm predicting their age/injury history issues will prompt Popovich to take the season at a measured pace, with an eye on being fresh for the playoffs, as opposed to racking W's. Their seed is irrelevant, given the team's experience. Thus, I'm guessing members of the Big 3 will sometimes get games off on back to backs and Pop will be willing to take a L to keep everyone intact. He won't push them any harder than needed.

Does that make the fourth place more believable?

AK

qs,

thanks for the link.

my favorite quote: Kobe could build an orphanage with his bare hands, rescue 100 kittens from a fire or settle the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, and those who dislike him will still question his motives and give the credit to Shaq.
[ reference troll 131-92 & ESPN journalists ]

an interesting quote: Even though he’s only 31, Bryant has already played in over 1,100 games. At some point the wheels have to fall off, and when they do his critics will be ready to be right there to let him know about it.

it seems to me that I heard something like this ~ 1 yr. ago. I believe Kobe's
response was: Look me in the eye and tell me I can't compete at a high level.
What followed was one of the best performances in Finals history.

final quote to chatter about: these Lakers would love nothing more than to get what they were denied last year -- another crack at Kevin Garnett and company.

my response: My preferences in order are:

1. Cavs. Enough with the comparisons. Kobe is better than LeBron and the
best way to prove it would be for the Lakers to annihilate the Cavs
in the finals. Two birds with 1 stone.

2. Celtics. It won't happen. They're old and slow. They won't make it out of
the East.

3. Orlando. They've re-loaded and you've got to wonder about the Kobe vs.
VC matchup.

Both the Cavs and Orlando would give Bynum an opportunity to show that
he truly is a "BEAST". [ that was for you LakerTom. :) ]

Mamba24

Please add me to the QUEST For More Bandwagon.

Bandwagon for tomorrow?

Thanks
Jack

Hobbitmage talks about Kobe building an orphanage with his bare hands, and not getting credit?

That`s nothing!

Sir Paul Pierce could turn water into wine, and LA fans would complain about the vintage!!!

All we got in the Southland are the Lakers, our baseball team turned into Freeway (Mi)series - fielding errors and feuding owners. Frank wants the first five letters "Dodge" being a dodging husband; and Jamie might retain the last 2 letters "rs" as a CEO w/o baseball resume. Are this beantown odd couple playing with the "beaten La fans"? If they want divorce then sell the team, divide the money and go away.

Lakers will be getting another banner raised tomorrow. This is the 1st Championship ceremony of the Lakers Blog. What banner will Utz raise in the blog? Where is the much awaited blog t-shirt designed by Brylle since 2006? Isn't it delightful to be wearing the KBros blog shirt at our proudest moments parading it at the Staples? After 5 years of blogging, we got something free from LA Times. LOL! I believe that is the most effective promotion that's mobile at a measly reproduction cost of $ 3 each or make it $ 5 to include the roll call at the back of the shirt.

Hobbitmage-

"[ reference troll 131-92 & ESPN journalists ]"

Not sure what that means. If it has something to do with Kobe then I think you should refer back to where Im on record as saying he is the best player in the NBA. And I just said it again. Maybe this time it will sink in.

You say you dont interact with trolls like you are special and above that. Maybe you should reconsider. Not too impressed with you post where you quote the ages of the Lakers currently but when you quote the Celtic ages you have to say things like "Ray Allen will be 35 after the season." After the season? What does that matter. Why stop there? How will he be after 10 seasons? How does his age after the season have any bearing on the season. How old will Kobe be "after the season" you mean none of the Lakers will get older "after the season" or Fisher?

Wallace is one of our leaders? He hasnt even played a game for us. Yet you want to refer to him as one of our leaders? You leave out Rondo. Our point guard. You probably dont understand the value of a point guard since you havent had one since Magic retired. But generally they are regarded as your "floor leader." I think a guy with the ball in his hands 80% of the time should be considered a leader instead of a guy who hasnt even played a game yet and when he does he will come off the bench and play 20-25 mins.

Your defensive SF was not "out" as you stated. He played during the Finals and played well I might add. If you have a problem with the fact he didnt play more minutes then that is something you have to take up with 10 rings or 9 rings at the time. If the greatest coach in history didnt play him then there must have been a reason. What makes you think you are smarter then 10 rings? Afterall he is the greatest isnt he? Or are you smarter?

And quit with same lame excuses that Bynum didnt play. Did you not watch last years playoffs? He didnt play then either. He sucked last yr. What makes you think he woulda scored 40 pts in game 6 when he probably didnt score 40 pts in all the Finals games combined. Stop with the excuses. Nobody cares about all your excuses. They are lame.

Hobbitmage - man, are you stubborn!! Now they are old AND slow!! Put Artest on Ray Allen - go ahead. Put LO on Pierce, go ahead. Put Gasol on KG, go ahead. Perkins and Bynum? Neither could win a sprint. We have beaten this age thing to death, and YOU ARE WRONG!!!!!!!
YOU said, bench age doesn't matter - okay, you have a younger bench, but only because we substituted 35 yr old Wallace for 38 yr old PJ Brown and 34 yr old Mikki Moore. We still have 24 yr old Glenn Davis.
Your starters - avg age 29.2
Celtics starters - avg age 29.4
In your starting lineup, you swapped a 30 yr old for a 24 yr old. How, exactly, does that make you younger???
Must be that CA math.
Keep starving the trolls, like coward JonK says, and I'll just keep pointing out the flaws in your argument.

Here are my Lakers lineup:

Fisher/Brown/Farmar
Bryant/Vujacic
Artest/Morrison/Walton
Gasol/Odom/Powell
Bynum/Gasol/Mbenga

If this lineup will play 48 minutes for the next 82 games lots of NBA records will fall this season. Their real enemies are: attitudes, injuries, annoying refs., ignoring the coach and no teamwork. Their strength are their individual talents and if combined synergistically with one another and methodically utilized in a selfless manner, it could break records that no team ever dared to accomplish.

No need to argue with anyone because nobody knows what the future holds and its capabilities. History will start tomorrow night.

Go Lakers, start breaking the 33 consecutive wins as the first challenge. Just keep on winning till Jan. 5th 2010. If you meet this task, you have a new name in our winning tradition to be known as "The Fearsome Lakers of 2010". (Did I watch this episode on Star Trek: The Next Generation?)

RED's Love Child,

"Sir Paul Pierce could turn water into wine, and LA fans would complain about the vintage!!!"

This is LA, we don't do two dollar wine bottles, even if it started out as water ... He can serve that bottle in Boston, I think it'd go nicely with his cheap skills

Hey Red -
Wasn't Kareem, like 38-40 yrs old when the lakers won in the 80's?? Did that make the lakers "old and slow"?? I thought it was "Showtime". Guess only the Celtics can be old and slow on this site, huh?

RED's Love Child,
"Sir Paul Pierce could turn water into wine, and LA fans would complain about the vintage!!!"
This is LA, we don't do two dollar wine bottles, even if it started out as water ... He can serve that bottle in Boston, I think it'd go nicely with his cheap skills Posted by: segeboy fka taliq | October 26, 2009 at 10:01 AM

ROFLMFAO!! AHAHAHAHAH...DO I HAVE TO SAY IT?...

OUT FREAKIN STANDING SHERIFF!! TAKE NO PRISONERS!!

Mamba 24,

Remember, the bandwagons will only be printed ONCE per day and you can't just sub in a symbol for a letter in an unprintable word. You need to mask it ENTIRELY.

AK

Since we can discuss anything on this blog, I would be VERY curious to hear Laker Tom's "honest" assessement of the upcoming World Series. I'd like to hear his breakdown, position by position, as a Yankees fan!!!
What do you think, Laker Tom???

Their strength are their individual talents and if combined synergistically with one another and methodically utilized in a selfless manner, it could break records that no team ever dared to accomplish. Posted by: Edwin Gueco | October 26, 2009 at 09:59 AM
NOW THAT'S WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT!!!!! KUDOS EDWIN!!
DAGG DOES THIS MAN HAVE A WAY WITH WORDS OR WHAT!!!

Mamba 24, Remember, the bandwagons will only be printed ONCE per day and you can't just sub in a symbol for a letter in an unprintable word. You need to mask it ENTIRELY.
AK Posted by: Andrew and Brian Kamenetzky | October 26, 2009 at 10:19 AM
I see, I hear, I obey! Sorrry!!!
LET IT BE SAID LET IT BE WRITTEN LET IT BE DONE!!

Edwin,

Wow. I can't believe you still remember that collage I made, you even remember my name :D

Brylle

**** ARE YOU SATISFIED ****
Are you satisfied? No, No, No! We won last year now lets go for Mo!
Lets rock the league and leave them petrified, like we said don’t be satisfied
Do it for the babies and show them how, We got to introduce a Dynasty to Baby Outlaw
The SBPimp twins to the league are new, Sorry wishy washy wins just won’t do.
We’re the Freakin LA lakers let’s act the part, we got to slay the league, rip out their heart
We got our enforcer in Ron Artest, I don’t think with this boy you want to mess
Obliteration is the name of this game, Laker Tom says Domination is our only aim.
If one ring makes you happy take a seat, If that’s all u want you’re already beat
Ask Jon K what winning means, yeah that’s right more and more rings
What do we want it’s no mystery, to be called the greatest team in history
Laker Blog what say you? you think we got the horses to win number 2.
I think we can win 2 and more, what say you Laker Blogger #4.
Something special is coming your way, the total domination of the NBA.
When this season ends in a title don’t lie, still you won’’t be satisfied
It’s about legacy & Laker pride, Ask Chaplain utzworld if he’s satisfied
It’s about doing what we do best, going out and totally Obliterating the West
Being a Laker fan is a thing of joy, can I get an Amen Sheriff SegeBoy.
Yes last year we enjoyed the ride, but don’t get complacent & satisfied
Yeah we’re the Lakers & we’re all that, but don’t get sloppy, careless & fat
Be like a tiger, lean and mean, What do we play for? That’s right the ring
VMan, Exhelodrvr, Outlaw too, Edwin Gueco, Faith, WesJoe AND Thirty2
Yellow Fever, Otis, Floyd & phred, they all agree with what ‘s been said
OK we done all we can do, but we’re not satisfied, how about you?
Give us our Ring & our due, we’re the Champion LA Lakers who the Frak are you

RED's Love Child,
"Sir Paul Pierce could turn water into wine, and LA fans would complain about the vintage!!!"

That's not Wine!!! That's Koolaid!!! HAHAHA. DrinkUp Boston Fans.

Will you join us for the RING ceremony?

Good morning Mamba24 & the fabulous Laker morning CRUE!!!!

Do I have to say it??? TOMORROW!!!!! The season finally starts TOMORROW!!!! It's officially ON - starting TOMORROW!!!!

WE MADE IT!!! Through the dog days of summer - through LOCO - through weddings, arguments and inane trollings.

WE ARE FINALLY HERE!!!

Time to get our ring - and then start doing our thing!

TOMORROW!!!!!

Nothing but another title will suffice.
-Kobe Bryant

AK/BK -


WHAT???? Only 1 bandwagon posting each day???

ARe you guys crazy???

We LOVE the updated bandwagon postings....

Come on now.

Those who don't like it can certainly use their scroll buttons - can they not? Who cares if they get worn down to the size of a cheerio. If they don't like 'em, they're probably not true LA Times Lakers Blog fans, right?! :)

hobbit -

I'm appreciating your comments lately. Good stuff.

DO NOT FEED THE TROLLS.


Remember - it's SCOURGE, and then STARVE.


Feeding just gives the little guys another gasp at some kind of life.


The only good troll is a dead troll. YAH - I said it. You heard me - I didn't stutter. NEXT.

What about "Know Thy Enemy": Kitten!!!!

Those who don't like it can certainly use their scroll buttons - can they not? Who cares if they get worn down to the size of a cheerio. If they don't like 'em, they're probably not true LA Times Lakers Blog fans, right?! :) Posted by: justanothermambafan | October 26, 2009 at 10:38 AM

No, No, No. The Blog God is right. To many bandwagons clutter up the Blog. Now that we are 4th dynasty champs we want to present that championship image. Folks from all over will be stopping by to check us out. We As a wise man said, "Act like you been there". Which we have 15 times and four dyasties.
Mamba24

Here are my Lakers lineup:

"Fisher/Brown/Farmar
Bryant/Vujacic
Artest/Morrison/Walton
Gasol/Odom/Powell
Bynum/Gasol/Mbenga

If this lineup will play 48 minutes for the next 82 games lots of NBA records will fall this season"

Eddie-

If not that lineup then what lineup? That is your roster isnt it? Play 48 minutes? Isnt an NBA game 48 minutes? Play 82 games? Isnt the season 82 games? You throw in all these "ifs" so just in case it doesnt happen then you have a lame excuse, much like Hobbitmage, to fall back on. If your gonna make a prediction then make a preditction. Dont throw in a bunch of "ifs".

Please tell us "all" the records that will fall! Are they gonna go 98-0? Will their average margin of victory be over 25 pts per? Will Vegas quit taking action on the Lakers cuz they always beat the spread? If the young PF Pau doesnt play game 1 does that mean your prediction is off the table? Please tell ... the suspense is killing me.

I cant wait to see how you do on your other prediction about Washington and Detroit challenging the Celtics. LOL

BTW the rule you mentioned last year, "if you make contact above the shoulders whether intentional or not is a flagrant", is that still in effect?

Did anybody see that swing Brown took at Lawson the other nite ala Rondo? Or was it just me?

Edwin,Wow. I can't believe you still remember that collage I made, you even remember my name :D Brylle Posted by: Brylle | October 26, 2009 at 10:24 AM

You're lucky Brylle, I've been blogging with Edwin for years and he still calls me Dumbo24! Lol!
Mamba24

Mamba: Put me on the Quest For More Bandwagon. Let The Pursuit of the 16th Banner Begin!

1st Game Day Prayer of the season at 9:00 AM PST (or whenever the K-Bros post the official Game Day Blog). See ya there!

Do I have to say it??? TOMORROW!!!!! The season finally starts TOMORROW!!!! It's officially ON - starting TOMORROW!!!! posted by: justanothermambafan | October 26, 2009 at 10:36 AM

Do I have to say it??? OUT FREAKIN STANDING JUSTANOTHERMAMABFAN!!!!

Brylle,

Anything free I will remember, unfortunately I doubt if it will ever happen. You spent time on that collage, perhaps you can design a new one in 2009-10 season.

"Sir Paul Pierce could turn water into wine"

He can turn anything into whine!

justanother - curious how you plan to kill the trolls.
If you tell me, I will take it to Boston.com and use it there. Because, you see, we are infested with trolls there that won't die, leave on their own, or be offended in any way. Want me to go??? Tell me how to get rid of the laker trolls on Boston.com. That's the reason I'm here. It's what I live for.

Troll Call - stillhavethoseballoons? is alive and well and still correcting all lakers mis-logic whenever he finds it.
Anyone else still in the (Eddie) House??

RED's Love Child,"Sir Paul Pierce could turn water into wine, and LA fans would complain about the vintage!!!"
That's not Wine!!! That's Koolaid!!! HAHAHA. DrinkUp Boston Fans. Will you join us for the RING ceremony? Posted by: ChicNstu | October 26, 2009 at 10:35 AM

The man says so much in so few words. Devasting ChicNstu, simply Devasting!!! And...OUT FREAKING STANDING
mAMBA24

I was counting the players, we have lucky 13.
We have 3 assistant coaches.
Lakers are in tune with the economic landscape of the state, many are jobless but the best minds cornered all the salaries, bonuses and profits.

mamba24,

[Give us our Ring & our due, we’re the Champion LA Lakers who the Frak are you ]

Well according to you we're a lean and mean tiger ... so I guess that makes the rest of the league meat ... let the feast begin

1st Game Day Prayer of the season at 9:00 AM PST (or whenever the K-Bros post the official Game Day Blog). See ya there! Posted by: utzworld - THE BANNER HOLDER | October 26, 2009 at 10:54 AM

AFTER WHICH, AND ONLY AFTER WHICH THE 4TH DYNASTY OFFICIALLY BEGINS! I'LL FOLLOW YOUR LEAD CHAPLAIN!
***** NBA BE AFRAID - BE VERY AFRAID ***

Are we gonna actually get to see the ring ceremony, or is TNT gonna yank that away in favor of Diesel/Bron/Ticket/Paula post game canned chit-chat?

I, for one, will be looking for someone to monkey-stomp if I don't get to see my man Tex get his much deserved hardware.

Stay healthy boys, and here's to a 70+ win season!

The General

AK/BK:

So did Gaffney make the roster or has that decision not been announced yet? Just curious.

131-92,
[Not sure what that means. If it has something to do with Kobe then I think you should refer back to where Im on record as saying he is the best player in the NBA. And I just said it again. Maybe this time it will sink in.]

Prior to KG showing up we all remember celtic fans chanting mvp for Kobe ... But dude things are different now, 131-92 means you can't call #24 the best player in the league ... The black mamba is not a toy ... should your celtics manage to overachieve and reach the finals, you'll learn to detest kobe like never before ...

Pierce called himself best player in the league ... hold unto that yo even if it sounds ridiculous in your head cuz there is no space on any laker bandwaggon for celtic fans ... Absolutely not!!!

Speakin' of D

like to get their answer to a question I've asked a couple of times... who are the lock down point guard defenders? the new Gary Peytons?

CP3, DWill and the like, seem to get where they want, when they want and the best defense is having your guard go back at him and make him play defense. That doesn't happen in the Laker triangle.

Shannon's obviously good on bigger guards, but like defending Kobe, it takes a team to stop some of these water-bug quick PGs.



Well according to you we're a lean and mean tiger ... so I guess that makes the rest of the league meat ... let the feast begin Posted by: segeboy fka taliq | October 26, 2009 at 11:06 AM
NOW THAT'S WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT!!! OOOOOOH WEEEEEEEEEE!!!! NBA The Sheriff is not taking any prisoners. I think now would be a good time to...BE AFRAID - BE VERY AFRAID!!!!!!


"Sir Paul Pierce could turn water into wine"
He can turn anything into whine! Posted by: exhelodrvr | October 26, 2009 at 11:00 AM

THAT'S IT, THAT'S IT!! NO NEED FOR NO TUNEUPS JUST HAND OVER
TITLES 16, 17 AND 18 RIGHT NOW. utzworld THE cHAPLAIN,
SegeBoy The Sheriff, and Exhelodrvr the Mixed martial blog champ are all in title run form. OH THE HUMANITY! HIDE THE WOMAN AND CHILDREN! NBA BE AFRAID - BE VERY AFRAID


AK,

"Does that make the fourth place more believable?"

I still don't agree with your conclusion, but, yes, with your explanation your logic is much more clear.

What do we play for? RINGS!!!

Lakers Today... Lakers Tomorrow... Lakers Forever.

GO LAKERS!!!

Shannon's obviously good on bigger guards, but like defending Kobe, it takes a team to stop some of these water-bug quick PGs. Posted by: VMan | October 26, 2009 at 11:34 AM

You just answered your question VMan. With the new hand-checking rules, you're not going to have any lock-down defenders they'd foul out. You got to defend as a team now. It's the only way. No disrepect Mr Ron-Ron sir.
Mamba24

AK/Mamba24/justanothermambafan,

I must agree with justanothermambafan.

The bandwagons are awesome and reposting them throughout the day as they grow in length communicates a sense of rising momentum that is both fun and exciting.

Now the roll calls (which are even more awesome), I agree should be posted only once per day. Roll call gets us going; bandwagons sustain us.

What do we play for? RINGS!!!

Lakers Today... Lakers Tomorrow... Lakers Forever.

GO LAKERS!!!

Steve,

Gaffney was cut a couple days ago, but I think he's doing to play for the Defenders.

What do we play for? RINGS!!!!

Lakers Today... Lakers Tomorrow... Lakers Forever.

GO LAKERS!!!!

Mamba24 aka Larry, the great blog citizen of Chicago, scion of Jesse Jackson connection, Mayor Daly and the remaining great great grandson of Al Capone.

What is your new gig this season? Roll call, done; poems and rap songs, done. How about a roll call of the trolls? Let's supply them names in honor of the Norwegian trolls or Leprechaun traditions.

Where are our prodigal bloggers Gunner, Butler, Mike T and KL? How about our first lady Faith, journalist Xodus, Mr. Weathermen and Paul Lee. Ah, they're coming on the live blog. Right now they are just names, no meaning at all to laymen and new members but have contributed a colorful history on this blog when the landscape wore the gold and purple colors.

General Hooper,

"Are we gonna actually get to see the ring ceremony, or is TNT gonna yank that away in favor of Diesel/Bron/Ticket/Paula post game canned chit-chat?"

During the ring ceremony, as the rings are actually given out, TNT commentators will talk about their recent golf outings, non-essential memories of when THEY played/coached, and their experiences earlier in the day checking into their hotels.

It will be awful, tedious, and distracting. It's just the nature of the beast.

I wish I could listen to Joel and Stu during the ring ceremony.

What do we play for? RINGS!!!!

Lakers Today... Lakers Tomorrow... Lakers Forever.

GO LAKERS!!!!

MAMBA24,

Please put me on the Bandwagon

BK,

Thoroughly enjoyed the discussion with Brian Shaw.

As a former defensively-minded athlete, I agree with Shaw, defense is primarily about effort... and effort is about passion... and passion is about a true desire to win.

That's why I love defensive-minded players. They really want to win.

Playing continuously committed defense is exhausting and will not gain a player individual accolades as scoring, but it truly does make your team better and psychologically breaks down an opponent in a way that offensive production cannot.

What do we play for? RINGS!!!

Lakers Today... Lakers Tomorrow... Lakers Forever.

GO LAKERS!!!!

"Sir Paul Pierce"

I checked UK press and can not find any news about him being knighted. Have I miss something?

Despite TNT's best efforts, the ring ceremony will be a moment to treasure.

I'm sure watching it on the sidelines will give Mike Dunleavy fits internally.

Go Clippers!

GO LAKERS!!!!

I'm BACK!!

Thanks for remembering me in the roll-call Mamba24!

Lots of familiar names - Edwin G, Jon K, Exhelo, and of course Mamba24. Hey, what happened to Faith?

Lots of Celtic fan-posts too - here's to wishing for a Lakers-Celtics Finals. It isn't a rivalry till both teams win at least once....

East's big three: Celtics, Cavs, Magic (in no particular order) will prolly have a better record than the West's big three: Lakers, Spurs, Blazers (in that particular order)

As always, I'm never happy with the composition of the team - am I the first to post a Farmar+Morrison+filler for Hinrich trade? :)

Cheers to all for a new season - hopefully, this one turns out to be even better than the last!

mamba24,
[NOW THAT'S WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT!!! OOOOOOH WEEEEEEEEEE!!!! NBA The Sheriff is not taking any prisoners. I think now would be a good time to...BE AFRAID - BE VERY AFRAID!!!!!!]

Yeah the eve of opening night has me trigger happy ... haters will be shot on sight for so much as daring to dream their team has a shot at the title ... If you're not scared of this laker team you're freaking nuts and we can't have crazy people waklking the streets ...

Taliq-

I dont want to jump on the Laker bandwagon ... I rather walk. BTW you are assuming I dont detest Kobe. Just because I respect his game and dont want to sound myopic like Laker fan doesnt mean I "like" Kobe or wanna jump on a Laker bandwagon.

How do you know those were Celtic fans chanting for Kobe? Maybe they were Laker fans who bought tix. Although I cant believe classy Laker fan would be so disrespectfull to go into somebody elses arena and chant for an opposing team. That is not classy at all. It shows no decency.

And as far as Pierce goes ... he was Finals MVP vs Kobe! Thats all that needs to be said bout that subject. And thats "The Truth"

AK/BK:So did Gaffney make the roster or has that decision not been announced yet? Just curious. Posted by: Steve | October 26, 2009 at 11:25 AM

HE GONE!!! Sorry he was waived!

Edwin,

I was thinking Mike T moved to Detroit with Kwame kind of following of “big great calves"

LAL_Fan

""Sir Paul Pierce"

I checked UK press and can not find any news about him being knighted. Have I miss something?"

I think it has less to do with being a knight, and more to do with being a man. After all the shenanigans he pulled off (wheelchair!!), a lot of folks aren't sure whether he belong to the NBA or the WNBA..

LAL_Fan
["Sir Paul Pierce"
I checked UK press and can not find any news about him being knighted. Have I miss something?]

Well I heard the magic kingdom made him a court jester this past summer ... wouldn't put it past celtic fans to mistake that for being a knight

I have no problem with Celtic fans supporting their team, but what they don't seem to understand is, losers of the crown have no bragging rights. Those are the exclusive property of the winners. Now can we let the games begin?

I love the Lakers!!

John

131-92,
"BTW you are assuming I dont detest Kobe."

Oh I'm not assuming. Should your team grant us an opportunity to face them in the finals, no celtic fan will ever post on this blog anymore.

Edwin G,

"How about a roll call of the trolls?"

Absolutely not ... we're not the teddy bear club ... we were mean even when we were losing ... now that we're on top, we will be vicious and petty ... that's the only way to show trolls love

Red,
Pierce can only turn the wine into vinegar.

And as far as Pierce goes ... he was Finals MVP vs Kobe! Thats all that needs to bE said bout that subject. And thats "The Truth"Posted by: 131-92 | October 26, 2009 at 12:06 PM
And THE TRUTH SHALL SET YOU FREE! It sure did Paul Pierce
behind from MVP to just Mr. P. how sad the mighty have fallen. It Pierces my soul to think of The Truth this way. I know he does not like to take charity, but if he is willing to humble himself Kobe may be willing to show him the techniques that made him 'PLAYER OF THE DECADE" I believe that is the same decade The Truth played in. And if The Truth is very, very nice he may not laugh at Mr. Pierces 1 ring as he get's his 4th. And that's the Truth also.


What is your new gig this season? Roll call, done; poems and rap songs, done. How about a roll call of the trolls? Let's supply them names in honor of the Norwegian trolls or Leprechaun traditions. Posted by: Edwin Gueco | October 26, 2009 at 11:53 AM

ROFLMFAO!! STOP IT!!! STOP IT NOW EDWIN!! a LEPRECHAUN TROLL CALL, HAHAHAHHA! OH THE HUMANITY!!!

I was thinking Mike T moved to Detroit with Kwame kind of following of “big great calves" Posted by: LAL_Fan | October 26, 2009 at 12:07 PM

WOULDN'T YOU!

Hhariyahu You sound in mid-season form my friend. Good to hear from you but now that the season is about to start you have got to stop having these long abscences from the Blog.
How in the $%%$#$^&*$#@ can we have a Ring ceremony with out you? Lol! Welcome back brother!
Mamba24

Oh I'm not assuming. Should your team grant us an opportunity to face them in the finals, no celtic fan will ever post on this blog anymore. Posted by: segeboy fka taliq | October 26, 2009 at 12:22 PM

SMOKINGGGGGGG!!!! CELTICS BE AFRAID - BE VERY AFRAID!!!


Hey Mamba24, don't forget LAL fan and of course Hariyahu, we'll be rocking again. Mike T. has entered the great minds journey that is outside of basketball. Nobody in the Piston blog minded his props of Kwame's calves, the PPG remained at 4 pts. Mr. Tiniente is now in higher state of mind dealing with philosophy, religion, economics, politics .... just too high fallutin for all us to grasp in one thread. Do you guys remember the blog fights between Mike T and Mitch wherein the mother of MT and Mitch point guard son were mentioned. I learned a lot of new words from that trash debate. Haha, those were the days when there were only few nuts in the blog.

What have you noticed of Shannon and Ron Ron? I think they are good addition in this season but just too shy to show off, too much respect on Kobe & the team or too conscious of the PJ triangle still trying to figure out where to stand. As such, they run out of time with their offense. I think they should always go to the hoop because for sure they will be shadowed then kick it out on the corners where Morrison or Kobe will be launching their sweet threes. Did you also notice the Shannon defense, he could fly and swat at the back of the opponent and also make a follow up while contesting for rebounds. I also noticed Artest scissor hands getting into wrestling, clotheslining with a little mercy. Technical fouls will be called a lot that will disrupt the strategies of other team's superstars because of Artest scissor hands. In another picture, if a player got under the wide coverage of the long hands or shall we describe it the umbrella defense of Bynum, Gasol and Odom...you're now in nowhere land, whether you are Oden, Shaq or KG that ball is a sure swat. If Mbenga is in the vicinity, it's KA-POW! he gets a standing ovation. Watch out, there will be a lot of standing ovations at the Staples this season.

131-92,
"BTW you are assuming I dont detest Kobe."

Oh I'm not assuming. Should your team grant us an opportunity to face them in the finals, no celtic fan will ever post on this blog anymore.

Posted by: segeboy fka taliq | October 26, 2009 at 12:22 PM

taliq-

Last time I checked we didnt win last year and Im still here!

Did RuPaula win the MVP because he used the greatest prop in NBA history – the wheel chair? Did he win it for his 38 points in a losing effort? Did RuPaula win it because he shot 43% from the field? Going 2-14 in a game three loss?

So he won an MVP in series that included Kobe Bryant, so what? Did The (Not So Great) Truth lead his team to the playoffs the year before they acquired KG and RayRay? I would be impressed if RuPaula could lead a team that STARTS Kwame Brown and William Henry Parker and includes Vlad, Luke, Mihm, and Brian Cook. If he can take a team like that to the playoffs and force a game 7 in the first round that would be impressive. Pierce is a good player and that is true but he is not like KG or Kobe – those two are the key to their respective teams. Paula is more like Pau: a very good player that makes it easier for the superstar to do their work – only Pau actually took a crappy Griz team to the playoffs something Pierce seemed to have trouble doing.

Anyway if a guy like Cedric Maxwell can win an Finals MVP – I am not so sure it is the most accurate measuring stick for judging the “greatness” of a player.

Peace,
EagleBoy

* TOMORROW WE GET OUR RINGS & BEGIN THE QUEST FOR MORE - BANDWAGON*


I'll hop on that bad boy, list me as a Squire to Sir Lamar. I hope TNT televises the ring ceremonoy. Prob'ly not.


Also...congrats to LakerTom and the (Stupid) Yankees. Yours was the better team (grumble, grumble, too many errors) it would've been nice to win one for Nick, but in the end, nobody cares about anything but the real game. Ghosts only exist in Fenway, now, but for me the baseball season is done.


GO LAKERS!!!!!!!

Oh I'm not assuming. Should your team grant us an opportunity to face them in the finals, no celtic fan will ever post on this blog anymore. Posted by: segeboy fka taliq | October 26, 2009 at 12:22 PM

SMOKINGGGGGGG!!!! CELTICS BE AFRAID - BE VERY AFRAID!!!


Posted by: MAMBA24 | October 26, 2009 at 12:49 PM

Afraid? Come on MAMBA you know better then that. You know we've granted you the oppertunity to face us in the Finals 11 times. What have you done with those oppertunities? You know what they say ...

Waste not ... Want not!

http://tinyurl.com/ylbzsnu

How Luke spent his summer on NBA.com. Pretty nice read.

131,

>>>>
Although I cant believe classy Laker fan would be so disrespectfull to go into somebody elses arena and chant for an opposing team. That is not classy at all. It shows no decency.
>>>>

Then you'll have to agree with me that Boston fans aren't classy. I've been to a Lakers/Boston game in LA where the beantown fans were doing just that.

So when you or other Boston fans go see a game at the Staples center, you just politely clap during the game?

LMAO.


The knife cuts both ways.


LA Lakers 2009 NBA Champions

HBMatt is obsessed with the Celtics

Did RuPaula win the MVP because he used the greatest prop in NBA history – the wheel chair? Did he win it for his 38 points in a losing effort? Did RuPaula win it because he shot 43% from the field? Going 2-14 in a game three loss?

So he won an MVP in series that included Kobe Bryant, so what? Did The (Not So Great) Truth lead his team to the playoffs the year before they acquired KG and RayRay? I would be impressed if RuPaula could lead a team that STARTS Kwame Brown and William Henry Parker and includes Vlad, Luke, Mihm, and Brian Cook. If he can take a team like that to the playoffs and force a game 7 in the first round that would be impressive. Pierce is a good player and that is true but he is not like KG or Kobe – those two are the key to their respective teams. Paula is more like Pau: a very good player that makes it easier for the superstar to do their work – only Pau actually took a crappy Griz team to the playoffs something Pierce seemed to have trouble doing.

Anyway if a guy like Cedric Maxwell can win an Finals MVP – I am not so sure it is the most accurate measuring stick for judging the “greatness” of a player.

Peace,
EagleBoy

Posted by: EagleBoy | October 26, 2009 at 01:07 PM

EagleBoy-

You ask a lot of questions. You have to ask the people who voted. So while you do that maybe you can go to NBA.com or google it and do some research. Let me know who they say won the '08 Finals MVP and why! Its so much easier when we just stick to the facts as oppossed to what ifs.

As far as leading some of those bad Laker teams to the playoffs ... we will never know now will we? Again ... why all the what ifs?

BTW when did Maxwell win the Finals MVP? What year was that? Who did they play?

mamba24,
"a LEPRECHAUN TROLL CALL"

I bet they'll kiss your blarney stone if you ask them nicely.

taliq-

Last time I checked we didnt win last year and Im still here!

Posted by: 131-92 | October 26, 2009 at 01:06 PM
___________

If everyone would just ignore this guy instead of egging him on by responding to his taunts, he will go away, like all pests.

131,

Why don't you google NBA Finals MVP and you can find out for yourself when Maxwell won it and what team he faced? I know the answer already. Honestly I don't know why RuPaula won the MVP - without KG he hasn't done much. I don't put much stock in the Finals MVP award - I mean Jerry West won it when the Lakers lost to the C's. You can google that yourself too, because again I know the answer of when and against whom.

If you haven't noticed - uhm sports blogs - are uhm - mostly a bunch of yahoos popping off about stuff based only on their opinion, skewed by the team that they root for. It is all in fun and doesn't mean squat - it is still decided on the court by the players.

Finally, it is a fact that the wheel chair was the greatest prop in Finals MVP history - at least Willis Reed just limped in....RuPaula took it to a whole different level with the wheelchair. It is also a fact that Ray Ray shot a much higher percentage for the series against the Lakers and broke the record for most 3 pointers in the Finals so one could argue he deserved it more.

I don't really care, I just don't like Pierce - good player sure, I just think he is a punk but more importantly I don't think he was the key to the Celtics win.

Peace,
EagleBoy

Steve - that would be nice, wouldn't it? It's just that the little buggers don't have the sense that God gave a goose. You know? :)

Edwin - sorry, but I'm with the Sherrif on this one.

ABSOLUTELY no troll call allowed on here.

The trolls that get any kind of "honorable" mention are the ones that show a little class (cuz being a troll we know how much effort that would take).

That's it. :)

131-92:

"You ask a lot of questions. You have to ask the people who voted. So while you do that maybe you can go to NBA.com or google it and do some research.
...
...
...
BTW when did Maxwell win the Finals MVP? What year was that? Who did they play?"

Same response, no? You can google this up yourself, yes?

Mamba24,

I'm late, but better late than never....
Add me to the Quest for More Bandwagon!! Let the games begin!!!

Go Lakers!!!!

Wow, it's not opening day yet, and already there's a bunch of folks out.

Batum (Blazers), Howard (Mavs) and Big Baby (Celtics) are all out for extended periods of time. Hope we can stay injury-free (yes, I'm looking at you Bynum) this season...

mamba24,
"a LEPRECHAUN TROLL CALL" I bet they'll kiss your blarney stone if you ask them nicely. Posted by: exhelodrvr | October 26, 2009 at 02:22 PM

Stop IT! ROFLMFAO!!! I MEAN IT STOP IT! HAHAHAHAHHAHAH!
OH MY SPLITTING SIDE!! MOTHER OF THE WORLD CAN THIS BE THE END OF MAMBA!! OH THE HUMANITY. Exhelodrvr I shall personally not
only put this in my keepers folder, I shall post this one for all to see.
Mamba24

The trolls that get any kind of "honorable" mention are the ones that show a little class (cuz being a troll we know how much effort that would take). That's it. :) Posted by: justanothermambafan | October 26, 2009 at 02:45 PM

Ladies and gentleman after a short break for lunch JAMambaFan is back with a
vengence...OUT FREAKIN STANDING!!!!!

If everyone would just ignore this guy instead of egging him on by responding to his taunts, he will go away, like all pests. Posted by: Steve | October 26, 2009 at 02:26 PM
alas friend Steve this is not true. You see 131 was once a Vampire Troll. These are very vicious creatures. But upon seeing the greatness of Kobe Bryant he somehow regained his soul(yes just like Spike and Angel) aND HE IS NO LONGER TROLL. He is not quite a Celtic Troll and not quite a Laker fan - he is trapped in the nether world condemened to vacilitate back and forth. Only the winning of a 17th ttitle by the Lakers can break the spell and bring him all the way over to the Lakers camp. Until we must have sympathy on this lost soul.
BLOGGERS FORGIVE 131-92 FOR HE KNOWS NOT WHAT HE DOES.

Still,

>>>>
HBMatt is obsessed with the Celtics
>>>>

Wow, really? If I was so obsessed with the septics, you'd think I had no life & would spend all day posting on THEIR blog.

No wait, that's you. You're obsessed with the Lakers, because deep down you know they're the better team.


LA Lakers 2009 NBA Champions


Shouldn't the Celtics just change their name to the OneandDones?

I wonder if Boston fans will go back to chanting "MVP, MVP" for Kobe this year?

Laker fan-

Todays Riddle ...

Q: What do you get when you trade Pau to LA?
A: PauLA

EagleBoy-

I dont have the time to do the research but was he the same guy quoted as saying "get on my back boys" before an important Finals game 7? Im sure you dont have to do any research on that one. I bet you know what year Im talking about. Im sure you are feeling a sharp pain right about now.

Anyways Im just kidding with you. (Sort of)We will have all the smack talk settled starting tomorrow. Hopefully all our old guys make it thru the season. Im sure you wont have any players miss any games since you have such a younger team.

"He would basically be yelled at for shooting ever when he was with the Lakers. He’d be taking shots from Kobe and those other guys. "

This is Daryl Morey, Rockets GM. You can read this here: http://tinyurl.com/yk23fp2

Isn't that a load of crock? I thought the Lakers were constantly egging him on to take the open shot....

I bet they'll kiss your blarney stone if you ask them nicely.

Posted by: exhelodrvr | October 26, 2009 at 02:22 PM
------------------------------------------------------------

Hmmmmmm...I wonder what I have to do for them to polish my Shillelagh...

WHAT UP BLOG!!!!!!!

IT'S HERE THE 2009-2010 SEASON AND SO IS THE ONE, THE ONLY NOT JUST FAMOUS BUT INFAMOUS EL GUAPO!!!!!!

131-92:

"Q: What do you get when you trade Pau to LA?"

Umm...Championship?

Oh, sorry, ChampionshipS :)

HBMatt - I stopped doing the "I know you are but what am I " thing in about 6th grade.
You are still there, obviously.
Do yourself a favor, and stop responding to me!!

THERE WILL BE NO (NO!) TROLL ROLL CALL HERE!!!!

PERIOD!!!!

These parasites are an infestation to our blogmunity and continuously distract us from balanced, intelligent, humorous communication.

They are not welcome.

Lakers fans? Welcome.

Sincere basketball fans? Welcome.

Sincere sports fans? Welcome.

Those that seek to insult, demean and divide us? Go elsewhere.

Trolls suck. Period.

What do we play for? RINGS!!!

Lakers Today... Lakers Tomorrow... Lakers Forever.

GO LAKERS!!!!

 
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