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What Kobe still has left to prove


  • Kobe holds the championship trophy Ever since the 2004-2005 season, Kobe Bryant's greatness has been largely measured through a very singular prism: Can he win a title without Shaquille O'Neal?  Well, last night ring ceremony provided a seriously blinged out reminder that the answer is "yes," seemingly ending the concept of Kobe's career being riddled with qualifiers (save perhaps besting Michael Jordan's mythical jewelry sextet). 

    Qualifying Bryant's greatness, however, has evolved into a national past time and old habits die hard.  It will be difficult for many analysts and fans to go cold turkey.   Thankfully for them, I've created a "To Do" list still in need of conquering before all doubts surrounding Kobe's accomplishments can truly be squashed, end of story.

    Win a ring without Derek Fisher


    The weight of Shaq is finally off Kobe's baq, but in the meantime, he's never won a title without the lil' fella.  Hell, Kobe's never even reached the Finals without Fisher in tow.  Technically speaking, for Kobe to truly reside on "Did it without ____" Street, he needs a ring absent of Fisher's help. 
  • Derek Fisher raises his arms in triumph On the surface, that may appear a question of patiently waiting out Fisher's impending 2010 free agency.  Except I'm of the opinion- and this is a gut feeling, as opposed to one based on "sources"- that Fisher will become the next decade's B. Shaw, working on a series of short, reasonable contracts for as long as he's capable of productive role play.  Good for the Lakers and the locker room.  Bad for Kobe when it comes to this specific mission.

    Thus, the solution may just be to reason with his longtime amigo.  Explain the importance of cementing a bullet-proof resume for the ages.  That the problem isn't Fisher, but rather the literal minded, unimaginative media.  It's not that Kobe wants Fish to fake an injury during the playoffs.  He just needs Fish to fake an injury during the playoffs.  The King of Little Rock is such a selfless cat, he might just be willing to take one for 24's legacy.  Dude gets a ring either way, right?

    And if that doesn't work, I recommend the tired and true: A good old fashioned bribe.  By any means necessary, as the saying goes.


  • Win a Ring without Phil Jackson.

    It ain't just Fisher directly involved with all of Kobe's peaks.  Phil Jackson has been there for every turn, allowing Doubting Thomas's to wonder whether credit should go to Kobe, or the guy behind the guy.  Unfortunately for Kobe, there's VERY little incentive for Phil to vacate his coaching duties with the Lakers.  Between his quest to leap frog a certain cigar aficionado and a squad so loaded that various wags often claim it runs itself, hard to picture Phil sitting this one out.

    Phil Jackson in his chair Unless, of course, he can't sit at all.

    Wanna keep Phil at bay this season, Mamba?  Just kidnap his throne chair.  By definition, if PJ's using a throne chair, it means the hips can't handle a generic "commoner" chair, and even if PJ were willing/able to stand the entire game, new NBA rules put the kibosh on that strategy.  Without the throne chair, does Phil have any other option other than handing the white board to Shaw, Jim Cleamons or Frank Hamblin and grabbing a beer at the arena watering hole?  None that I can see. 

    Mind you, successfully hiding the throne chair over the course of 100+ games, home and away, is no walk in the park.  We're talking a project on the scale of the Ocean's 11 heist.  But Kobe's got the money, connections and steely obsessiveness to employ a top flight crew of merry pranksters.  One of these days, he and PJ will look back on these hijinks and just laugh.

    Win a ring with Jerome James in the rotation.

    Why should Kobe's tests center solely around the removal of a linchpin?  What say we make the guy work via a little addition, too?  Back in 2006, I pegged Michael Olowokandi as the league's LVP.  The cat who brings less to the table than any player in the league.  Well, he's since washed out, so the next best way for Kobe to bring new meaning to the phrase "makes his teammates better" would involve the 2006 runner up Jerome James, the league's reigning "dead-weight" poster boy.  (FYI, it's actually pretty easy for the Lakers to bring James into the fold.  Adam Morrison for JJ, straight up.  ESPN's trade machine loves it.  Both are expiring deals.  Kobe certainly has the juice to force a trade involving the team's 12th man.  Done and done, should Bryant take the initiative.)
     
    Win a ring in the same year he stars in a high quality documentary.

    And no, "Kobe Doin' Work" doesn't cut the mustard.  Particularly not when Kobe's flick is released in the same year as a docu flick starring his chief rival for "best player in the league" status.  It doesn't help that "More than a Game" has garnered largely positive reviews from the critics- who tend to be west coast biased and likely wouldn't know either player from a hole in the wall, so don't complain about media favoritism- and even Mom, both a Lakers fan and a supporter of Kobe's 2008 MVP-ness.  A cinematic challenge is being thrown down.  Will Kobe answer the call?

    Win a title in the same season he wins a Nobel Peace Prize.

    Dude, Barack Obama's been President for barely ten months and he's already got one.  You've had thirteen seasons in the NBA to make your mark for peace through basketball, and absolutely zero traction.  Weak, Mamba.  Weak.

    Win a title while drunk for an entire season. 


    Bluto Make no mistake, people.  I'm not talking about sneaking in a buzzed effort against some bottom feeder like Sacto or Milwaukee.  I'm talking every quarter of every game from now until the rest of the season.  And not just a little loopy.  Tanked.  Faced.  "Fail a breathalyzer because you can't figure out how to put your mouth on the tube."  Kobe's "Gatorade" jug: Nothing but beer.  Those little Dixie cups he's handed while on the bench?  Shots, brah!  Kobe must remain absolutely hammered, but somehow also remain at the top of his game.     

    What would this truly "prove" about Kobe's skills?  Honestly, I'm not really sure.  But I do know this much.  The reason I don't know is because Jordan never pulled it off.  'Nuff said.  C'mon, Mamba!  Channel your inner Tara Reid!

    Win a title without "ER" on television.


    Seriously, how long did that show overstay its welcome?  Don't get me wrong.  Clooney, Edwards and the gang enjoyed several seasons of high quality TV.  But this marks Kobe's fourteenth season with the Lakers and ER was already in its third season when Mamba made his professional debut.  How many surgeries and workplace relationships can we possibly watch?  Nonetheless, Kobe has never reached the highest level in an era where fictitious people didn't check into the Fictitious County General Hospital, so "Must See TV's" longtime fixture must be given its proper due, as well as acknowledgment of the unconquered status.  Still, the show's plug finally pulled during the same season Kobe got his "no Shaq" title feels symbolic.  Kobe was happy to see that storyline retired.  I was happy to see ER's storylines follow suit.

    Win a title in the same season where he hemmed and hawed over a possible retirement before finally latching on with the Vikings.

    Of course, if Kobe doesn't play in a manner that makes it evident that "he's just having fun out there," we're back at square one.  But that goes without saying, right?

  • Win a title in the same season where he lands the cover of Oh, The Oprah Magazine.Oprah-winfrey

    No easy task, my friends.  Oprah Winfrey has a pretty good "in" with the folks running "Oh, The  Oprah Magazine."  O has quite the iron-fisted lock on that particular section of the mag.  To the best of my knowledge, Mrs. Stedman has ceded the cover just once, and that resulted in a photo op shared with Michelle Obama (who, for those not in the know, is often romantically linked with the reigning Nobel holder).  It's a lofty goal, but if he can't conquer the publishing side of Harpo empire, what does having the planet's #1 selling jersey really mean?

    (And no, landing the cover of Spanish Rolling Stone doesn't quite cut it.  Should Pau Gasol ever enter the "all-time greats" conversation, same rules apply for him, too.)

    AK

    Picture: Kobe Bryant holds a championship trophy.  Credit: Stephen Dunn/Getty Images North America
    Picture: Derek Fisher raises his arms.  Credit: Photo by Elsa/Getty Images North America
    Picture: Phil Jackson in his throne chair.  Credit: Joe Murphy/NBAE/Getty Images

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    That is the funniest thing I have read on this blog since....I don't know when, actually.

    Hilarious. This is an instant classic.

    I especially like the little green emerald shaped like an asterisk and representing KG's knee injury on the the Laker ring, very appropriate.

    I didn't think it was funny at all. Just labored.

    Well, I'm batting .500...

    AK

    Well, I checked his career stats, and he has won titles without the LakersBlog, so there goes that theory. You might have been able to get away with that in the pre-Google days, AK, but not anymore.

    hahaha!

    I especially like the little purple and gold asterisks and representing Bynum's knee injury, Ariza's foot injury, Kobe's injured fingers, and Pau Gasol's half a season on the the 2008 Celtic ring, very appropriate.

    Posted by: The Green Asterisk | October 28, 2009 at 09:34 PM

    Now that's better...now where's my little 82-101 to fix this again? Now there's an original idea! Do it again, do it again, I command you!

    Hey, 82-101, I always knew your little chicken Celtic friends can't handle the heat, LOL. Rescue your little friends, awwwww.....

    call me little chicken again, oh noes!!

    I particularly liked the drunk one...

    If he wants to outdo Jordan then he needs to retire and actually SUCCEED at another professional sport then return to win a title

    I thought it was pretty funny. We've got 4 days between games in a almost drama-less afterglow of a ring ceremony and a win-as-usual against the clippers.

    Cut AK and BK some slack!

    #4

    I, for one, thought this was funny. Especially the bit about Jerome James. If he gets Jerome James a ring, he should go down as the greatest athlete ever, and the conversation would be closed for eternity.

    Nice K bros.

    Observations on first game:
    -Both Clippers and Lakers were in pre-season form. Clippers were just worse than the Lakers. Baron was awful, that Eric Gordon kid is good.
    -PJ played the bench as a unit w/out a single starter and the experiment flopped terribly. Things are supposed to get better when LO leads the 2nd unit but I still think PJ s/d keep at least 2 of the Big 5 (Kobe, Pau, LO, Artest, Drew) on the court at all times.
    -PJ was quick with the hook on Sasha last night after one poor defensive play and he never got back on the court.
    With such a deep team, minutes are going to be precious so any player outside of the Laker's starters and sixth man will be battling for minutes.
    -Luke looks like he needs a training camp just for himself. He seems to be injured in every training camp. Its nice to have a long-term contract.
    -Mbenga is improved but he's still good for garbage minutes not for minutes that really count.
    -The Laker starting five actually ran the transition offense a lot, making predictions that the Laker offense will be slower paced this year due to the Artest-Ariza swap untrue.
    -The second unit with a quick backcourt of Jordan/Shannon could not run a faster offensive pace because they were slowed by the lead footed frontcourt of Walton/Powell/Mbenga. Clearly, having Gasol/Odom or Bynum/Odom would have made the second unit much better. This is where Gasol's absence was clearly felt - the inefficiency of the second unit more than the effect on the first unit.
    -Artest is clearly still learning the offense but he played the best man defense of any Laker or Clipper last night.
    -Drew played great on offense, but he also needs to remember to shut down the other team's center. Kaman scored too many points and got too many rebounds. On the other hand, Bynum did not get in foul trouble so that's a positive.
    -LO is a new man - for the better. Sometimes, marriage does that to you. Moreover, now that he's married to someone from planet hollywood, LO seems less shy about asserting himself on the court and that's only good for the Lakers.
    -PJ did not play Ammo perhaps bec. the Clippers are too athletic, and the game was too close. Does that mean that Ammo is in the regular garbage rotation along w/DJ?
    -Kobe was not shy with the ball last night, was he conscious of Lebron's 38 earlier in the evening?
    -I didn't notice anything outstanding in LA's defense last night except for Artest and Kobe's individual defense. I hope LA keeps an eye on Boston's defense, the competition will be good for their focus.

    I saw few updates on here telling we played sloppy and did not execute on offense etc.. However, this is completely untrue.

    PJ knew he had the players who can wrest control of the game from the opposition whenever needed, so he started his experimentation in the 2nd quarter... I don't think any other coach has the audacity or confidence to insert such a line-up, when the game was barely a quarter old...

    Not a single starter, and most were 3rd stringers, such a line-up is bound to lose leads. So calling that they played sloppy is unfair on them. With a line-up of Farmar, Brown, Powell, Luke and Mbenga - do you all expect them to increase the lead to 20 from 10???

    On a different note,

    In the last season (2008-2009), José Calderon, Raptors PG missed ONLY three FTs the ENTIRE season!! (He was 151/154), and set a NBA record of 98.1 FT%

    Today in Raptors' opener against Crabs, he gets fouled and goes to the line for the 1st time this season, and misses BOTH FTs. What an irony is that. I could not believe my eyes!! :)

    Why do we so often hear about Micahel's 6 rings (and Magic's 5 rings) as some sort of benechamrk/standard that Kobe is supposed to be aspiring to ?

    6 titles is a lot, but the way it's referred to, it's almost like people think this is the record. Other have won 6 like Kareem and Scottie Pippen. Didn't Robert Horry win 7 ? Bill Russell won 11, I think.

    This was fun, but I'm going to be serious for a second.

    Judging by Kobe's incredibly relaxed appearance after winning the Finals last year, I think he doesn't really have anything he's aching to prove.

    And really, proving is all about what he needs to prove in reference to others.

    Let's face it, there's a competition with the all time greats. That's Kobe's territory with no uncertainty now and it shouldn't have been uncertain but for media hatred before and negative representation of an extreme personality before.

    Kobe's most obvious foil in this regard is Jordan and I think it will be hard for Kobe to catch him. What I would love to see is Kobe be able to really enter the conversation versus Jordan.

    Kobe gets 6 rings and at least 1 DPOY award and I think we can make that a little more likely. He probably needs 2 more Finals MVPs as well.

    I think another 2 rings is very doable. 2 Finals MVPs is likely. 1 DPOY is the real competition I think. The award is so biased toward big men that defensively anchor their teams. The KGs, Duncans, D-12s, Ben Wallaces, Marcus Cambys of the world. If anyone is up for the challenge of winning an award against those types of players as a SG/SF, it is Kobe.

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    INVITATION FOR RON ARTEST TO POST ON THE LAKERS BLOG – BANDWAGON
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    (01) MR.NANO – OWNER - Let's invite Ron to post on the blog on a regular basis. He can be the ingredient we need to shut down the trolls XD
    (02) EDWIN GUECO – DRIVER - Artest will love LA because of its diversity. We deal here to all kinds of people and a chance to start all over again.
    (03) MAMBA24 – RON-RON PLEASE , PLEASE Post on the LakersBlog it is just the common folks touch You need on that new resume. And you can have any honorary blog title you want except Blog God or Sheriff. Those two are untouchable.
    (04) DAVE M. - Edwin - I think L.A.'s a great fit for Artest on so many levels. As a society, it's open and accepting, Artest's idiosyncrasies seem almost benign.
    (05) TheChampIsHere - The more I learn about Ron-Ron the more I like his personality What he brings to an already great basketball team is priceless. W/ all due respect to Ariza it was always Kobe who had to check the Wade's, LeBron's, Melo's of the NBA and then also score his 30pts. Now Kobe doesn't have to anymore and that's exciting.
    (06) QS - saw the vid. love him!
    (07) FAITH - For his part, Artest just completed his first NBA training camp in 11 years without missing a practice or a game. The only guy who won't be getting a ring Tuesday night came in determined to get his work done." What's not to love. It's the beginning of a new dy-nasty ladies and gentlemen. Let's own it!
    (08) JON K.. The crazy thing is that Thriller is going to be the best thing possible for this team's chemistry, in part due to his long-term friendship with Lamar Odom; in part due to his incredibly competitive nature. a) Thriller's long-term friendship with Lamar, keeps Lamar focused and enhances his leadership role as "Captain" of The Bench Mob b) Thriller's competitiveness enhances Kobe's respect of Artest, thus making it easier for Kobe to look beyond Ron's eccentricities c) The focus of three key leaders--Lamar, Kobe, Thriller--is going to lead the team emotionally towards the goal of Championship.
    (09) WESJOENIXON - I really like Artest. Did anyone see how he made the reporters move aside so the petite lady reporter could get her camera/mic in the mix? That was super cool of him to do.
    (10) CRITICALBEATDOWN - The reason Ron is such a great pickup for us? Pierce and Lebron .
    (11) ROCKIN DA 300 SECTION - In the video did you notice Ron Ron's cool vans checkerboard slip ons? Those were almost as cool as his hair cut. I look forward to this seasons' new addition his game had a postive influence on Lamar and Bynum's game last night.
    (12) CHICNSTU - This has been the greatest transformation of a MAN in the history of the world OR Ron Artest has been wrongfully judged by the media and fans everywhere, myself included. I've seen nothing but goodness in Ron's heart, the little things that he does aren't that little. They are kind gestures that show the real Ron Artest, like giving the kid his watch so he may continue his education and making room for that reporter to get into the mix..lol. Yes he made some bad decisions, but i woulda done the same if somebody tossed a beer at me.
    (13)

    Very good, very funny. How about with one eye closed and a hand tied behind his back?

    But seriously, that last link with Pau on the Spanish Rolling Stone deserves a post of its own. That is the sexy Pau. I only thought Pau was a down to earth, sincere, wheatgrass eating type. Dare I say it? The Ladies' Man has competition.

    GOOooooOOO LAKERS !

    Hey Mamba24, I'd like to get on the Ron Artest post on this blog bandwagon.

    Ron's pure comedy gold!

    Why do we so often hear about Micahel's 6 rings (and Magic's 5 rings) as some sort of benechamrk/standard that Kobe is supposed to be aspiring to ? 6 titles is a lot, but the way it's referred to, it's almost like people think this is the record. Other have won 6 like Kareem and Scottie Pippen. Didn't Robert Horry win 7 ? Bill Russell won 11, I think.
    Posted by: OhioVic | October 29, 2009 at 03:42 AM

    After Bill Russells 11 Rings the player with the most Rings is Robert Horry with 8.

    I gonna put this out there, because I'd like to see it happen.

    Pau Gasol will win the Final MVP.....with a beaming and genuinely happy Kobe Bryant cheering him on.

    Honestly, I think the guy is a great player. He's arguably the best power forward out there, and probably the most adept big man at being both a center and power forward. I have respect for Tim Duncan, but he as well as KG are still great but their peaks are in the past.

    Pau is peaking. He can shoot from the outside, has a very developed game inside, and is a willing passer. His defense is very underrated. He'd defended both Howard and KG admirably, amongst other 'tougher' or 'stronger' PF/Cs.

    I know Bynum's game is still developing, and were in Kobe's 'great' years, but Pau is right there, at the forefront of the Laker attack.

    It would be reminiscent of Worthy getting the MVP....and it would be a sign of Kobe's maturity as well.

    Hey Mamba24, I'd like to get on the Ron Artest post on this blog bandwagon. Ron's pure comedy gold! Posted by: #4 | October 29, 2009 at 07:33 AM

    Your usual spot I assume. But since it's only one update a day it probably won't be till 12 or 1:00 the next time you see it.

    Laker fan-

    Hurry! The Orlando bandwagon is filling up quickly. All of you that have been talking that Cavs mess and want to jump ship still have time. I know you want pretend you didnt say anything about the Cavs winning the East but I know who you are. Its not too late to get on Orlando. Ill give you a mulligan.

    Speaking of mulligans ... do you want Ariza back yet?

    Little Chicken-

    You forgot about Phil's hip. Your list is getting longer and longer. Didnt Sasha have a brain cramp?
    I hear this years rings will be made of 18k gold.

    Hmmm...Just thinkin' 'bout stuff and I don't think the Lakers will win 70 games this season. They won 65 last season, and as Kobe correctly pointed out, they could have easily won 68 without doing anything different. Last season, they lost three games on last second lucky heaves.

    Watching the Clippers game it became apparent that the Lakers are no longer using the regular season as a means of defining themselves. Even the fans showed that the regular season seems so passe, now.

    Home court advantage, I don't think we're even worried about that anymore, either.

    Remember last year? Every loss was a "learning experience". Every hard foul was some ultimate test of the Lakers' new-found "toughness". Every road trip was a "test". Every elite team was a "barometer". Every injury was an "opportunity for some player or other to step up". On and on and on.

    Do you remember? The Lakers' had this laundry list of things to prove. And, if they failed any of them, then they simply weren't ready yet to win the Championship.

    No more. We had the best road record last season. We saw that Cleveland might be able to use LBJ to rack up a bunch of regular season wins, but he can't lead that team through the playoffs. We saw up close that Howard looks invincible against every team he plays against, except us.

    We know that for the playoffs, we are built to succeed.

    Our best leader is a (relatively) old man. This Laker team will find it VERY hard to stay that motivated and focused to suppress the charge of the opponent 70 times this season. It isn't going to happen.

    Plus, it is a bad overall strategy to sacrifice the playoffs for the regular season. I bet both Kobe and PJ will do something at some point in the season where it seems like they've inexplicably given away a sure win. We will, in unison, scream at the TV wondering, "WTF?!?!?!?!?".

    They will try to keep 70 wins just out of reach so that guys don't overdo it trying to reach that goal.

    It isn't a coincidence that the Bulls set the record in MJ's first full season back after retirement. There was a LOT to prove that season. The list of things to prove for Chicago was longer than Capone's rap sheet.

    In order for these Lakers to win 70+ games, the bench must dramatically improve. As in revert to 2008's bench that used to close out games for us. When the bench gets back to the point where they are playing all of the fourth quarters again (remember when that used to happen?), then our win/loss record will be largely theirs. This group has enough to prove (namely, that they don't suck like they did last year) that maybe they can be counted on to close out 20 or so wins on their own for us.

    Other than that, forget about it!

    --Fearless

    Ok I'll bite.

    Kobe needs to:

    1. Outscore a team for a game. He already outscored the Mavs for 3 quarters.
    2. Get a quadrupled double- pts, rebounds, assist and turnovers. Beat that, Mike!
    3. Sweep the playoffs - fo, fo, fo, fo for real.
    4. Block Josh Powell's and/or Luke's shot in a game. Heck, Mikan did it.
    5. Get 20 boards.
    6. Actually get Bynum traded. J/K LakerTom, couldn't resist.

    And (drumroll please)

    7. Use his 5th championship purse money to throw a barbecue at the beach.

    Mamba24b
    Put me on the Ron Ron Blog Blog bandwagon whenever the powers that be allow. Thanks.

    P Ang,

    "Block Josh Powell's and/or Luke's shot in a game. Heck, Mikan did it."

    I laughed.

    AK

    Put me on the Ron Ron Blog Blog bandwagon whenever the powers that be allow. Thanks. Posted by: lone star laker fan | October 29, 2009 at 08:29 AM

    Yes Sir, you got it Lone Star.

    Mamba24,

    Please put me on the Ron Ron bandwagon. Ron would be our resident crazy which is saying a lot in our crazy Laker world!!! Go Lakers!!!

    P ang,

    That is a freakin outstanding list. #7 would be the most awesome!

    What Kobe has to prove
    (01) That he can handle a wheelchair better than THE TRUTH.
    (02) That he’s not afraid to hit Dfish in the head like MJ hit Steve Kerr
    (03) That he can give an aceptance speech that is the most hatred filled piece of
    Garbage ever just like mike.
    (04) That he can start refering to the rest of the Team as MJ did “His supporting cast”
    (05) That he can lose a half million dollars at a round of golf.

    gonna put this out there, because I'd like to see it happen.
    Pau Gasol will win the Final MVP.....with a beaming and genuinely happy Kobe Bryant cheering him on. It would be reminiscent of Worthy getting the MVP....and it would be a sign of Kobe's maturity as well. Posted by: #4 | October 29, 2009 at 07:57 AM

    Sounds good #4 but you know that then the critics will be all over him saying he let the 3rd option beat him out for the MVP something that hate filled bitter old decrepit icon MJ never would. I also know I'm going to be attacked for saying this even though every body knows I'm the biggest Kobe fan on the blog, but...In all honest Pau should have won the MVP last year and Kobe's trying so hard to be the best laker player and win the MVP almost cost them a game.
    THERE I SAID IT. NOW I'M PUTTING ON MY PURPLE AND GOLD THONG FOR PROTECTION! LOL!!

    Another nice win last night for the "old men" Boston Celtics. You'd think, in their "geriatric" state, back to back games would be their downfall - such is not the case. Cavs lose again, but, hey, they have Shaq, a former Laker, so they aren't "old and slow" right?

    Fearless - thank you. As a non-lakers fan I have been saying for a long time that right now, today, your bench is not good enough to win 70 games. FINALLY, someone agrees with me. Now, your TEAM is good enough, but only if the top 6 play 40 mins a game each, and then be burned out for the playoffs.

    LakerTom - Yankees in 5?? Yankees have better starting pitching and a better bullpen?? Hmmmmmm...... care to revise?

    Good morning Mamba24 & the fabulous Laker morning CRUE!!!

    WUTTUP??!!!!!

    Mamba24 - seriously? I have to ASK to be put on the "Bring in Thriller to post on the LA TIMES Lakers Blog" bandwagon? WTH?? About a month or so ago I posted that this should take place, or that he get on here for a live chat, or a podcast. Where were you when I had this fabulous idea? NO WHERE - that's where. Not posting on the blog over the summer like you should have been. Not contributing to the alleviation of our summer suffering without Lakers basketball to quell the jonesing. No. Just out galivanting around - wearing the purple & gold thong to shreds - drinking, partying, carousing, causing trouble....I'm sure the list goes on and on.

    So - here we are now at a very important juncture. Please - for the love of god - get me on that bandwagon!!! Thriller is all about the love of the game and the love of the fans. He should be a regular on here. And I should be on the bandwagon.

    'nuf said. :)

    GO LAKERS!!

    Nothing but another title will suffice.

    I found the blog about Kobe wins a ring without Fisher is ridiculously idiotic. What's next? Kobe wins one w/o Gasol? Kobe wins one playing one against five opponents? This is a team game; even when Shaq was here; Kobe's contribution was monumental.

    Mamba24 -

    "I also know I'm going to be attacked for saying this even though every body knows I'm the biggest Kobe fan on the blog, but...In all honest Pau should have won the MVP last year and Kobe's trying so hard to be the best laker player and win the MVP almost cost them a game."

    _________________


    OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!! Now you went and done it!!! The Sherrif is going to take you out back and give you the kind of whupping that's reserved for hoss thieves and varmints!!!

    You in troubbbble!!!!!!!

    You dang straight better get that thong on for protection my friend. It ain't going to stop what's coming (and what you totally deserve) but it may help alleviate the suffering.

    Once you're properly chastised you better go say your Hail Kobe's and Our PJ's - to prove you're geniuinely repentent - or else there will be more where that came from young man.

    Now scat!!! HAHAHAHHA!!

    Another nice win last night for the "old men" Boston Celtics. You'd think, in their "geriatric" state, back to back games would be their downfall - such is not the case. Cavs lose again, but, hey, they have Shaq, a former Laker, so they aren't "old and slow" right? Posted by: stillhavethoseballoons? | October 29, 2009 at 09:00 AM

    Come on Mr. ballons sir stop it, Stop IT NOW!!. I'm praying like heck that the septics win as many games as possible in the East so that they can meet the Lakers in the finals. Then and only then will you be convinced to leave the Dark Green Slime side and come over and join the forces of Light Purple and Gold. It will be a shock I know when the Truh is revealed to be a Lie and the freakin bald headed giant lunatic be revealed to be what he is. A freaking bald headed giant basketball playing lunatic. And Black jesus will be able to reverse the process and turn "whine" into to water(tears). So I'm rooting for your team till the finals sir. Can you say the same about you and The Lakers.
    Mamab24

    I saw the Nuggets game last night and I sense their intensity to declare that they are the new bad boys of NBA. They're a bunch of hungry cayotes trying to intimidate anyone comes to their stadium. Artest good behavior and control will be tested, once they get to the Nuggthugs.

    Little Chicken-

    You forgot about Phil's hip. Your list is getting longer and longer. Didnt Sasha have a brain cramp?
    I hear this years rings will be made of 18k gold.

    Posted by: 131-92 | October 29, 2009 at 08:10 AM

    Oh I didn't forget 82. And yet, you've only got KG's knee as an excuse. Tsk tsk. That's your excuse right? Awesome.

    The Celtics "championship" is looking less and less legit with all the conditions you've added

    And you said it, not me!

    I may lead the Celtic horses to water, but this one goes ahead and drowns himself in it!

    XOXO,
    Little Chicken

    Mamba24, Please put me on the Ron Ron bandwagon. Ron would be our resident crazy which is saying a lot in our crazy Laker world!!! Go Lakers!!!V Posted by: Nemaia Faletogo | October 29, 2009 at 08:47 AM

    I'm sorry sir. I will put you on the list but "Ron would be our resident crazy" Never!! THEY CAN TAKE MY PURPLE & GOLD THONG BUT...THEY CAN NEVER TAKE MY FREEEDOMMMM TO BE THE BLOGS RESIDENT CRAZY!!!! Never, Never, Never!!! OH THE HUMANITY. I don' think we are in LA any more Toto! Kobe give me those ruby slippers!!!!!

    WUTTUP??!!!!! Mamba24 - seriously? I have to ASK to be put on the "Bring in Thriller to post on the LA TIMES Lakers Blog" bandwagon? WTH?? About a month or so ago I posted that this should take place, or that he get on here for a live chat, or a podcast. Where were you when I had this fabulous idea? NO WHERE - that's where. Not posting on the blog over the summer like you should have been. Not contributing to the alleviation of our summer suffering without Lakers basketball to quell the jonesing. No. Just out galivanting around - wearing the purple & gold thong to shreds - drinking, partying, carousing, causing trouble....I'm sure the list goes on and on. so - here we are now at a very important juncture. Please - for the love of god - get me on that bandwagon!!! Thriller is all about the love of the game and the love of the fans. He should be a regular on here. And I should be on the bandwagon. Posted by: justanothermambafan | October 29, 2009 at 09:08 AM

    Father forgive me for I have sinned. Oh wise and forgiving Head of the Mamba Clan forgive this wayward Family member for such a transgression! WTF was I thinking! LOL!

    Once you're properly chastised you better go say your Hail Kobe's and Our PJ's - to prove you're geniuinely repentent - or else there will be more where that came from young man.
    Now scat!!! HAHAHAHHA!! Posted by: justanothermambafan | October 29, 2009 at 09:14 AM

    HAIL KOBE FULL OF GRACE PHIL JACKSON IS WITH US
    HAIL KOBE FULL OF GRACE PHIL JACKSON IS WITH US
    HAIL KOBE FULL OF GRACE PHIL JACKSON IS WITH US
    HAIL KOBE FULL OF GRACE PHIL JACKSON IS WITH US...

    PHIL JACKSON IS OUR SHEPHARD I SHALL NOT WANT
    HE LEADETH US TO NBA TITLES, HE CREATS DYNASTY'S
    PHIL JACKSON IS OUR SHEPHARD I SHALL NOT WANT
    HE LEADETH US TO NBA TITLES, HE CREATS DYNASTY'S...

    Artest good behavior and control will be tested, once they get to the Nuggthugs. Posted by: Edwin Gueco | October 29, 2009 at 09:22 AM

    Aw come on Edwin. they are not Bad boys. As a wise man once said "They probably just need a hug" Lol!

    Another nice win last night for the "old men" Boston Celtics. You'd think, in their "geriatric" state, back to back games would be their downfall - such is not the case. Cavs lose again, but, hey, they have Shaq, a former Laker, so they aren't "old and slow" right?

    Fearless - thank you. As a non-lakers fan I have been saying for a long time that right now, today, your bench is not good enough to win 70 games. FINALLY, someone agrees with me. Now, your TEAM is good enough, but only if the top 6 play 40 mins a game each, and then be burned out for the playoffs.


    Posted by: stillhavethoseballoons? | October 29, 2009 at 09:00 AM

    As a non-Laker/non-Celtic/non-Cavs fan, I can see that you're hung up on being an old man. Oops, I mean, the Celtics being old men.

    Geez, typos, so hard to fix on the internet. Where's my white out?

    Its okay the Celtics, they're still "champs" in 08, despite what 82-101 thinks. they'll always be "champs" in 08.

    As an unbiased troll, I mean fan (there I go again, geez), the Boston Celtics will forever be known as the 2008 NBA "Champs" to everyone that is a non-fan of either team.

    "Champs", LOLz

    Observations on first game:
    -Both Clippers and Lakers were in pre-season form. Clippers were just worse than the Lakers. Baron was awful, that Eric Gordon kid is good. -I didn't notice anything outstanding in LA's defense last night except for Artest and Kobe's individual defense. I hope LA keeps an eye on Boston's defense, the competition will be good for their focus. Posted by: LakerinBC | October 29, 2009 at 01:40 AM

    LADIES AND GENTLEMAN(Drum Roll Please)
    The first one for today...OUT FREAKIN STANDING!!!!

    puddle,


    >>> Sorry to burst your bubble but NBA.com already uses a formula almost exactly like that
    >>> called Efficiency. The only difference is that they don't use fouls as a negative in the formula,
    >>> so Bynum's Eff for the first game was +33.
    -
    Thanks for the info. I was pretty sure that the formula was nothing new. It’s interesting that they do not show it on the game scoreboard – just on the player’s season-to-date stats.
    -
    >>> The problem with this formula is that it does not account for pace or minutes played.
    >>> Guys like Stephen Jackson who play a ton of minutes in a fast paced system get overvalued
    >>> whereas guys like Mareesse Speights, who last year played very few minutes in a slower paced
    >>> system, get undervalued.
    -
    I agree that the formula is not perfect but what I love about it is how easy it is to calculate for any player for one game, season-to-date, or career. It will obviously work better comparing contributions from players on the same team rather than players on different teams.
    -
    I also like how it naturally benefits guys like Pau and Drew who shoot a very high percentage from the field as well as drawing lots of fouls for free throws. I’m going to track the Lakers players for a while and see how the results compare with my impression of the players’ performances.


    Tom

    "Champs", LOLz Posted by: little chicken | October 29, 2009 at 09:38 AM

    Little Chicken, We've told you a million times don't tease the Trolls!! Either BarBQue them or give them to Rover. Now stop playing with your food like that. Lol!

    What a stupid article, you have to much time on your hands.

    OK FOLKS, ALL IN THAT WANT TO GET IN:
    THE RONARTEST AS BLOGGER ON THE LAKERSBLOG IS GOING OUT IN 1 HOUR FROM NOW!!!

    LET MAMBA24 POST BANDWAGONS bandwagon - all aboard!!!!


    AK/BK - we LIKE having the bandwagons posted throughout the day. No one who matters complained - why the censoring?

    Just curious - not a slight to you guys AT ALL. I really appreciate all you do - like most everyone on here.... :)


    Mamba,


    Add me to Ron Artest Blog with us bandwagon.
    What a great idea.


    Tom


    LADIES AND GENTLEMAN(Drum Roll Please)
    The first one for today...OUT FREAKIN STANDING!!!! Posted by: Mamba24 | October 29, 2009 at 09:42 AM

    NO OFFENSE BLOG GODS AK, BK But thou art always so OUT FREAKIN STANDING, that it is understood and to state it to much would cheapen the OUT FREAKIN STANDINGNESS of you!

    Add me to Ron Artest Blog with us bandwagon.
    What a great idea. Posted by: LakerTom | October 29, 2009 at 09:52 AM
    Will do LakerTom, but before I get in trouble it was really Mr.Nano and JustAnotherMambaFan's idea. I'm in enough trouble already. Lol!

    also like how it naturally benefits guys like Pau and Drew who shoot a very high percentage from the field as well as drawing lots of fouls for free throws. I’m going to track the Lakers players for a while and see how the results compare with my impression of the players’ performances.
    Posted by: LakerTom | October 29, 2009 at 09:46 AM

    THEY ARE COMMING FASTER NOW FOLKS...OUT FREAKIN STANDING LAKER TOM!!

    Mamba24 - I have said a million times I hope the lakers and Celtics play in the Finals. It is great for basketball. Home court advantage and injuries will be the key. Good luck to you

    chicken little - was that supposed to be a "burn" to me, because I didn't understand your response?

    Mamba24 you know i loves me some troll....any troll, I'm a non-fan of every "friend"!

    It all started with a certain Phoenix "friend". Come to think of it, he thought his team were "champs" too!

    LOL!

    Put me on the Artest Blog w/Us Bandwagon too.

    AK,

    I've got to go with ginocimoli on this one, pal.

    It was funny, but, generally speaking the strength of your writing has been your ability to throw in sarcasm, disbelief and non sequitor as humor while discussing a (somewhat) serious subject, either as a contrast to that serious subject or as a means of somehow clarifying that subject.

    This one comes across primarily as "silly" and while silly is good, the truth of the matter is that post-Shaq, post-Colorado... Kobe still has a lot to prove. For crimmeny's sake, he's as good as he is and he's only been able to win a single MVP! That's crazy.

    Unlike Jordan, Magic, and LeBron, not only has Kobe not had the media/marketing juggernaut not on his side, Kobe has had the media/marketing juggernaut AGAINST HIM for much of his career. If Kobe is like a salmon swimming upstream; LeBron and Jordan by comparison have been like kids at a waterpark sliding down a water tunnel.

    I know many will disagree with me, but actually go back and watch YouTube videos of Magic, Jordan, Kobe and LeBron.

    Outside of crazy hops, athletic dunks, LeBron doesn't really impress.

    Compare that to Magic's diversity and ability to control an offense, as a part of Showtime, Magic is significantly more impressive than Jordan.

    Jordan is impressive and he hits big shots, but Kobe is not only equally impressive, but he is BETTER at hitting big shots, has more diversity to his game and plays with more finesse. Jordan is simply a more physical player.

    So, it seems to me that Kobe should clearly be included in the continuing dialog as to who is the Greatest Player of All Time, but the truth of the matter is that 80% of the United States will not begin to even tolerate THE DISCUSSION of Kobe being a contender for the Greatest of All-Time, until Kobe has eclipsed Jordan's number of rings. Until Kobe has won seven rings, he'll still have something to prove in many fans' eyes.

    And even at that time many (if not most) people will argue, "Yeah, but he had Andrew Bynum with him... yeah, but he had Pau Gasol with him... yeah, but he had Ron Artest with him..."

    [Urgh.]

    Unfortunately, 50% of Americans are already ready to enter LeBron James into that same discussion despite the fact that he hasn't won anything of true significance (outside of, perhaps, an MVP) because he has the media juggernaut (and David Stern) behind him, which is just crazy, to me.

    What do we play for? RINGS!!!!

    Lakers Today... Lakers Tomorrow... Lakers Forever.

    GO LAKERS!!!

    Mamba24 - I have said a million times I hope the lakers and Celtics play in the Finals. It is great for basketball. Home court advantage and injuries will be the key. Good luck to you Posted by: stillhavethoseballoons? | October 29, 2009 at 10:12 AM

    In that case I apologize sir and hope to see you in the Finals.
    Mamba24

    Larry,

    Good to see you posting, brother! You can put me on the Join Our Blog, Ron Bandwagon. We know you like the digital media and fan interaction so come on in and have the best of both in one spot....

    Okay, I'll drink the silly juice...

    Kobe needs to...

    1. Beat the Oklahoma City Thunder with the entire remaining Laker squad on the bench throughout the game and STILL get double-digit assists.

    2. Win the MVP, DPOY and Sixth Man of the Year awards during a single season while starting and coming off the bench for just one game.

    3. Beat the Celtics by 40 with Sun Yue, Sasha, Ammo, and Mbenga playing all 48 minutes with him. (We'll bring Sun Yue back for one game.)

    4. Purposefully (with a hammer) shattering both his shin bones before a game against the Cavs and then playing 48 full minutes on his way to a quadruple double.

    5. Scoring 55 points in a game while continuously playing with his back to the basket and never turning to look at the basket.

    6. Leading Josh Powell to score 65 points in a game on 28 assists from Kobe.

    What do we play for? RINGS!!!!

    Lakers Today... Lakers Tomorrow... Lakers Forever.

    GO LAKERS!!!!

    chicken little - was that supposed to be a "burn" to me, because I didn't understand your response?

    Posted by: stillhavethoseballoons? | October 29, 2009 at 10:12 AM

    What's this "burn" you speak of? Explain what was "supposed to burn" you, and maybe we'll figure out if you really understand what's going on. What was supposed to "burn"?

    Otherwise, you're implying you can't quite hang with this blog. Things happen real fast on the internets, LOL, keep up. Even 82-101 can do that!

    Have a good post, 2008 "champ"!

    Did I miss the last artest bandwagon? DAMN! pls add me on the next train then... I got artest a present. I special ordered him the wallet from pulp fiction that says "bad mutha fu**a" on it

    And what did I say about shaq in cleve land? He's already stallin that offense gettin in the way of people. They got no fastbreak offense no transition defense and can't run or defend anybody. Don't anybody dare say they're not using him right and that he's doing what he's asked for. PUHHLEASE!

    MAMBA 24, MAMBA 24 !!!!!!

    attention, please, sir.

    I want world peace, a balanced budget and to be on the Ron the Art bandwagon.

    thanks as always, V

    btw: when we finally get around to the "Mamba 24 for blog president" bandwagon, I'd like top 5.

    ****
    INVITATION FOR RON ARTEST TO POST ON THE LAKERS BLOG – BANDWAGON **
    ****
    (01) MR.NANO – OWNER - Let's invite Ron to post on the blog on a regular basis. He can be the ingredient we need to shut down the trolls XD
    (02) JUSTANOTHERMAMBAFAN – CO-OWNER - I have to ASK to be put on the "Bring in Thriller to post on the LA TIMES Lakers Blog" bandwagon? WTH?? About a month or so ago I posted that this should take place. Where were you when I had this fabulous idea? NO WHERE - that's where. Not posting on the blog over the summer like you should have been.. No. Just out galivanting around - wearing the purple & gold thong to shreds - drinking, partying, carousing, causing trouble.... So - here we are now at a very important juncture. Please - for the love of god - get me on that bandwagon!!! Thriller is all about the love of the game and the love of the fans. He should be a regular on here. And I should be on the bandwagon.
    (03) EDWIN GUECO – DRIVER - Artest will love LA because of its diversity. We deal here to all kinds of people and a chance to start all over again.
    (04) #4 - I'd like to get on the Ron Artest post on this blog bandwagon. Ron's pure comedy gold
    (05) utworld THE BANNER HOLDER – CHAPLAIN - Ron Ron, Blog with us and we will keep you in our prayers.
    (06) MAMBA24 – RON-RON please, PLEASE Post on the LakersBlog it is just the common touch You need on that resume. You can have any blog title you want except Blog God or Sheriff. Those are untouchable.
    (07) DAVE M. - I think L.A.'s a great fit for Artest on so many levels. As a society, it's open and accepting, (08) TheChampIsHere - The more I learn about Ron-Ron the more I like his personality What he brings to an already great basketball team is priceless. It was always Kobe who had to check the Wade's, LeBron's, Melo's of the NBA and then also score his 30pts. Now Kobe doesn't have to anymore and that's exciting.
    (09) QS - saw the vid. love him!
    (10) FAITH - For his part, Artest just completed his first NBA training camp in 11 years without missing a practice or a game. What's not to love. It's the beginning of a new dy-nasty ladies & gentlemen. Let's own it!
    (11) JON K.. The crazy thing is that Thriller is going to be the best thing possible for this team's chemistry, in part due to his long-term friendship with Lamar Odom; in part due to his incredibly competitive nature. a) Thriller's friendship with Lamar, keeps Lamar focused & enhances his leadership role as "Captain" of The Bench Mob b) Thriller's competitiveness enhances Kobe's respect of Artest.
    (12) WESJOENIXON - I really like Artest. Did anyone see how he made the reporters move aside so the petite lady reporter could get her camera/mic in the mix? That was super cool of him to do.
    (13) CRITICALBEATDOWN - The reason Ron is such a great pickup for us? Pierce and Lebron .
    (14) ROCKIN DA 300 SECTION - In the video did you notice Ron Ron's cool vans checkerboard slip ons? Those were almost as cool as his hair cut. I look forward to this seasons' new addition his game had a postive influence on Lamar and Bynum's game last night.
    (15) CHICNSTU - This has been the greatest transformation of a MAN in the history of the world OR Ron Artest has been wrongfully judged by the media and fans everywhere, myself included. I've seen nothing but goodness in Ron's heart, the little things that he does aren't that little. They are kind gestures that show the real Ron Artest, like giving the kid his watch so he may continue his education and making room for that reporter to get into the mix.
    (16) LONESTAR-LAKERFAN - Put me on Ron Ron Blog Blog bandwagon when the powers that be allow.
    (17) NEMAIA FALETOGO - Ron would be our resident crazy which is saying a lot in our crazy Laker world!!! (18) LAKERTOM – WHAT A GREAT IDEA.
    (19) EASTCOASTJESSIE – He’s growing on me
    (20) KBBLITZ – The haircut alone shows he has LAKER PRIDE,
    (21) VMAN - Not concerned with past Ron traditions as long as this season's end result is the change he's been looking for his whole career. he wants to bring sexy to the NBA... cool, long as he knows winnin' is the only sexy.
    (22) HARIYAHU - Hey, as long as he plays like a champion, it's all good with me!
    (23) CORNER J - Artest has just revamped the Lakers "TQ" (Toughness Quotient). Bottom line: more rings are on the way.
    (24) SHUM – I love the chinesse characters carved in his head. I know what they mean.
    (25)

    Utzworld/Mamba24/Laker Tom/justanothermambafan/Laker Nation,

    On a serious note...

    I'm going to be in Los Angeles in the next couple of days interviewing at a couple graduate schools for admission next year, as well as interviewing for a job with an old business partner of mine that COULD get me back to Los Angeles a lot quicker (as well as establish residency for school).

    And I'm kind of freaking out about it.

    This is kind of my Eminem "Lose Yourself" (http://tinyurl.com/64lxyl) moment.

    You guys have no idea how much better it would be studying for my doctorate in a subject I'm passionate about rather than serving drinks to bitter drunks in an urban Akron bar.

    Not to mention being able to watch the Lakers again with Joel and Stu instead of catching quick moments of the game under the inept analysis of TNT commentators.

    So, if you guys could keep me in your prayers, I'd appreciate it.

    Thanks.

    What do we play for? RINGS!!!!

    Lakers Today... Lakers Tomorrow... Lakers Forever.

    GO LAKERS!!!!

    Mamba24,

    "Kobe's trying so hard to be the best laker player and win the MVP"

    Are you seriously suggesting that Kobe was more concerned about the Finals MVP than winning the game or championship? I am disappointed in you. You do not deserve your screen name. These Boston trolls are infesting your mind. Only a Boston troll or a Laker hater would be guilty of such blasphemy.

    Kobe is not always successful when he tries to take over a game. When his shot is not falling, the other team can make runs, but to suggest that Kobe first goal is not winning, to suggest that he is more concerned about awards than winning games or championships, especially considering how much was at stake for Kobe, is downright silly.

    Little Chicken and Mamba,

    you guys are my Blog Heroes

    Stillhavetheballoons, I'd prefer we play the Cavs in the Finals this year because of the whole Kobe vs. Shaq thing. I don't think we'll ever have that opportunity again because LeBron will probably go to NY and Shaq will probably retire. I'd love to see Shaq end his career in the year he lost the championship game to the Lakers, the team he so famously dissed. And even though the Cs are aging, they'll still be around next season, and they can be the victims of our three-peat in 2011.

    Mamba24,

    Hook it me up with the Bandwagon, hell, all of 'em!!

    Thanks!

    more funny posts
    this was nice
    were the first two meant to be legit though?
    the fact that Fish is on the team takes nothing away from what Kobe does, who the hell is he supposed to have at point guard? Shannon Farmar and Jordan Brown?

    Quote of the Day
    "You couldn't hear a dump truck driving through a nitroglycerin plant"
    -Christmas Vacation
    i know the Bros. will like that one.

    Mamba 24

    the only MVP that pau will have is MVC: he has a better cover than OOOOOOhhhhprah.

    shame on u. your east coast bias. and i'm serious. please take me OFF any bandwagon u added me on!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    there is no Pau without Kobe!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!. just a grizzly.

    i really wish to have the luxury of the following experiment: take Kobe out for 20-30 games and see all the Paus, Bynums and LOs of the world winning. and yes, Fish in the situation of hitting the big 3's.

    disgusting

    TOO ALL WHO WANTED ON THE BANDWAGON AND DID NOT GET INCLUDED IN TIME, THE FAULT IS MINE. I SHOULD HAVE GAVE ONE LAST WARNING BEFORE POSTING, A THOUSAND APOLOGIES. But they will all be there in the morning. On that you have my word.

    I WILL BE STARTING A ** PRAY FOR JON K LAW SCHOOL ADMISSION & JOB - BANDWAGON **ALL WANTING ON ANSWER UP!!!

    Little Chicken and Mamba,you guys are my Blog Heroes Posted by: Cap's Goggles | October 29, 2009 at 11:17 A

    Now for that alone you know you get an...OUT FREAKIN STANDIN from me and an... OUT FREAKIN STANDING From little Chicken. YES FOLKS WE PAID CAP'S GOGGLES TO SAY THAT!!

    Are you seriously suggesting that Kobe was more concerned about the Finals MVP than winning the game or championship? I am disappointed in you. You do not deserve your screen name. These Boston trolls are infesting your mind. Only a Boston troll or a Laker hater would be guilty of such blasphemy. especially considering how much was at stake for Kobe, is downright silly. Posted by: LAKER TRUTH | October 29, 2009 at 11:07 AM

    Sure you right! And..OUT FREAKIN STANDING!! I like that fire Laker Truth we missed that!!
    M24

    Orlando looks good. I'm a little annoyed as to how little respect they receive in the media.

    What do we play for? RINGS!!!

    Lakers Today... Lakers Tomorrow... Lakers Forever.

    GO LAKERS!!!!

    # 4,

    couldn't agree more with you and your assesment of Pau, who is indeed the best power forward / back up center in the league today---there is no one I would rather have in that position playing for the Lakers---we areso lucky to have hiom on our team...

    why is Pau seemingly so universally underrated?

    VIVA PAU !!!

    AS ALWAYS, AS EVER, YETA ANOTHER GREAT DAY (AND CHAMPIONSHIP SEASON) TO BE A LAKER FAN !!!

    GO LAKERS

    little chicken -
    Wow, what impressive acumen you possess. We see you have the quotes thing down, now how about a coherent sentence, champ!!


    NBA.COM’S “EFF” - VS. HOLLINGER’S “PER”


    I really like the NBA.com’s EFF or Efficiency rating, which is calculated by adding a players points scored, rebounds, assists, steals, and blocks and subtracting missed shots, missed free throws, and turnovers. Unlike Hollinger’s PER, which also adjusts a player’s rating for minutes and pace played,
    EFF can be quickly and easily calculated for any player for a single game, the season, or his career. And you don’t even really need a computer to calculate it – just the box score or season stat line.
    -
    After the opening win against the Clippers, the Lakers have 3 players in NBA.com’s EFF rankings: Andrew Bynum #5 at 33.0, Kobe Bryant #8 at 31.0, and Lamar Odom #18 at 26.0. Hollinger’s PER ratings, on the other hand, had Kobe Bryant at #8 and Andrew Bynum at #15. It is interesting to see how the two rankings are similar as well as different. Here are the top 20 EFF and PER ratings:
    -
    NBA.com’s EFF Rankings:
    1 Al Horford , ATL 1 34.0 24.0 38.0 16.0 4.0 0.0 2.0 54.42 38.0
    1 Brook Lopez , NJN 1 38.0 27.0 38.0 15.0 4.0 1.0 5.0 47.79 38.0
    3 Dwight Howard , ORL 1 29.0 21.0 35.0 15.0 2.0 1.0 2.0 58.67 35.0
    4 Deron Williams , UTA 1 41.0 28.0 34.0 3.0 13.0 1.0 0.0 40.21 34.0
    5 Andrew Bynum , LAL 1 38.0 26.0 33.0 13.0 2.0 1.0 1.0 41.47 33.0
    5 Jermaine O'Neal , MIA 1 29.0 22.0 33.0 12.0 4.0 0.0 0.0 54.12 33.0
    7 LeBron James , CLE 2 42.5 30.5 32.0 7.5 10.0 2.0 2.0 36.27 32.0
    8 Kobe Bryant , LAL 1 38.0 33.0 31.0 8.0 3.0 4.0 1.0 38.82 31.0
    8 Marc Gasol , MEM 1 30.0 21.0 31.0 15.0 .0 0.0 3.0 49.38 31.0
    8 Jeff Green , OKC 1 39.0 24.0 31.0 8.0 2.0 1.0 3.0 37.7 31.0
    11 Marreese Speights , PHI 1 26.0 26.0 30.0 5.0 .0 2.0 1.0 55.35 30.0
    12 Carmelo Anthony , DEN 1 40.0 30.0 29.0 8.0 5.0 1.0 1.0 35.21 29.0
    12 Andrea Bargnani , TOR 1 30.0 28.0 29.0 5.0 1.0 1.0 1.0 47.13 29.0
    12 Josh Smith , ATL 1 35.0 18.0 29.0 3.0 8.0 5.0 2.0 39.54 29.0
    15 Grant Hill , PHX 1 33.0 19.0 28.0 13.0 2.0 2.0 0.0 40.73 28.0
    16 Dirk Nowitzki , DAL 1 39.0 34.0 27.0 9.0 1.0 0.0 2.0 33.26 27.0
    16 Russell Westbrook , OKC 1 35.0 14.0 27.0 7.0 13.0 0.0 0.0 37.03 27.0
    18 Kevin Durant , OKC 1 42.0 25.0 26.0 11.0 4.0 0.0 1.0 30.01 26.0
    18 Danny Granger , IND 1 34.0 31.0 26.0 4.0 1.0 1.0 1.0 36.37 26.0
    18 David Lee , NYK 1 30.0 22.0 26.0 9.0 2.0 0.0 0.0 41.21 26.0
    18 Lamar Odom , LAL 1 40.0 16.0 26.0 13.0 5.0 2.0 2.0 31.15 26.0
    18 Travis Outlaw , POR 1 33.0 23.0 26.0 4.0 2.0 2.0 1.0 37.88 26.0
    18 David West , NOH 1 38.0 18.0 26.0 9.0 3.0 3.0 1.0 33.15 26.0
    24 Gilbert Arenas , WAS 1 38.0 29.0 25.0 2.0 9.0 0.0 0.0 31.3 25.0
    24 Andray Blatche , WAS 1 35.0 20.0 25.0 7.0 1.0 1.0 2.0 34.3 25.0
    24 Marcus Camby , LAC 2 30.0 18.5 25.0 8.5 3.5 2.0 1.5 39.52 25.0
    -
    Hollinger’s PER Rankings:
    1 Marreese Speights, PHI 1 26.0 .895 0.0 6.4 23.8 10.0 16.3 13.0 49.44 14.7 0.5
    2 Dwight Howard, ORL 1 29.0 .770 12.0 6.0 21.0 34.1 35.8 35.0 44.56 14.7 0.5
    3 Marc Gasol, MEM 1 30.0 .759 0.0 17.8 25.7 10.4 45.7 27.3 39.98 13.2 0.4
    4 Omri Casspi, SAC 1 19.0 .759 0.0 9.2 23.9 5.9 14.4 9.7 38.18 7.8 0.3
    5 Kelenna Azubuike, GSW 1 18.0 .825 11.3 0.0 17.4 6.5 32.5 19.5 37.46 7.2 0.2
    6 Anthony Randolph, GSW 1 10.0 .694 12.9 12.9 27.1 23.4 23.4 23.4 36.94 3.8 0.1
    7 Jermaine O'Neal, MIA 1 29.0 .854 20.1 15.1 23.3 0.0 41.4 24.2 35.58 10.8 0.4
    8 Kobe Bryant, LAL 1 38.0 .527 8.3 5.5 34.9 9.5 11.2 10.3 34.41 13.6 0.5
    9 Andrea Bargnani, TOR 1 30.0 .835 4.8 14.5 26.0 0.0 14.8 8.2 33.05 9.8 0.3
    10 Al Horford, ATL 1 34.0 .655 17.2 4.3 22.8 10.1 55.6 30.1 32.98 11.4 0.4
    11 Danilo Gallinari, NYK 1 28.0 .739 0.0 0.0 20.8 10.7 15.1 12.5 32.77 9.2 0.3
    12 Brook Lopez, NJN 1 38.0 .611 13.3 13.3 27.5 13.7 22.6 18.6 32.56 12.5 0.4
    13 Andrew Bynum, LAL 1 38.0 .670 8.5 8.5 22.5 14.3 19.6 16.8 32.45 12.4 0.4
    14 Maurice Evans, ATL 1 15.0 .949 0.0 0.0 15.8 7.6 9.7 8.5 32.44 4.9 0.2
    15 Ben Gordon, DET 1 26.0 .775 5.8 11.6 29.1 4.4 4.0 4.2 31.77 8.3 0.3
    16 Richard Hamilton, DET 1 36.0 .590 15.9 0.0 28.7 3.2 5.8 4.5 31.39 11.2 0.4
    17 Josh Smith, ATL 1 35.0 .688 36.2 4.5 17.9 0.0 12.5 5.5 31.18 10.3 0.3
    18 Chris Paul, NOR 1 34.0 .732 28.3 15.7 31.2 0.0 3.6 1.9 31.02 10.2 0.3
    19 David Lee, NYK 1 30.0 .703 10.7 5.4 22.6 10.0 28.2 17.6 30.62 9.0 0.3
    20 DeJuan Blair, SAS 1 23.0 .671 19.4 13.0 24.0 26.8 34.8 30.6 30.25 6.7 0.2


    Tom


    Mamba 24 the only MVP that pau will have is MVC: he has a better cover than OOOOOOhhhhprah. shame on u. your east coast bias. and i'm serious. please take me OFF any bandwagon u added me on!!!!!!!!!!!!!! there is no Pau without Kobe!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!. just a grizzly. i really wish to have the luxury of the following experiment: take Kobe out for 20-30 games and see all the Paus, Bynums and LOs of the world winning. and yes, Fish in the situation of hitting the big 3's. disgusting Posted by: ouchhhhhhhhh | October 29, 2009 at 12:04 PM

    Ouch, stop that, ouch!!!! That hurts. Well sir you may well be right but in this case sorry sir, all the flings and arrows of misfortune flung my way will not sway me from the opinion that Pau should have won series MVP. Just as Scottie Pippen should have won 2 of those series MVP's that Jordan won during his 2 3 peats. Look at the series again.
    Pau would be hitting something like 5 of 6, then suddenly the
    ball would stop going to him. Same thing happened with ajordan and Pippn and the Bulls Phil will not let anyone take any award that will add to a star of a teams resume and tthat I think is as it should be as long as the team wins.
    so sorry but I stand with my opinion.

    AK

    I'm surprised that you didn't mention Gary Vitti. Without Vitti, Kobe is nothing. Just imagine what McGrady would have accomplished if he'd had Vitti to lean on.

    Dear Lord, grant Jon K favor and blessings as he returns to Los Angeles to scout his next move. Grant him the desires of his heart - he loves LA and would love nothing better than to be in the heartbeat of Laker Nation. But, as always, not his or our will, but Your will be done. We know You will lead Jon K to the place You want him to be and, despite the challenges that will come with that, he will be able to handle them all because of you - even if it does mean him dwelling in the cities of Laker opponents. :)

    But, Lord, we boldly ask that you allow Jon K to return to LA. Bless him in his interview. May he gain favor and get the job. May he find the right grad school that will help to propel him to the highest level in his studies/profession. Fill him with Your spirit and grace and patience. Remind him that it's YOUR timing and not his own. Most of all, let him praise You throughout the process. Let him walk in peace, for You have it all under control.

    We thank You for answered prayer...AMEN!

    Mamba24 - get me on the Jon K bandwagon ASAP!!!!

    Jon K - best of success to you!!! Get your hiny back here to LA where it belongs!!! You're a great secret undercover operator, but we can always use more cheers from this side of the great wasteland LOL!

    Gasol for mvp over kobe??!!

    EVERYBODY EVACUATE THE BUILDING!!! THIS IS AN EMERGENCY!!

    OUR GREAT MAMBA IS MISSING!! THAT IS NOT OUR REAL MAMBA!!

    MISSION: #1: LOCATE MAMBA AND BRING HIM BACK ALIVE.

    MISSION #2: SEEK AND DESTROY ALL TROLLS UPON SITE.... FIND THEIR BASE AND NUKE EVERYONE OF THOSE SICK BASTARDS


    little chicken -
    Wow, what impressive acumen you possess. We see you have the quotes thing down, now how about a coherent sentence, champ!!


    Posted by: stillhavethoseballoons? | October 29, 2009 at 12:25 PM

    Oh noes, not the coherent sentence zinger, lol! Quick, everyone check their grammar, stillhavetoolonganame's here! Oh wait, before ya do that....

    This is coming from the the "english expert" that doesn't believe in spaces to seperate the words in the sentence he calls his name.....Well HELLOOOO Mr. kettle!

    Geez, you really got me with that grammar "comeback".

    No not really, LOL....

    Thanks "champ"... or should I say "english expert"!

    Mamba24,

    I am a big fan of Pau, but you underestimate the impact Kobe has on Pau's game. Pau was WINLESS, SKUNKED in 12 playoff games when he was the #1 option. Memphis fans grew tired of Pau failing in the playoffs. Pau is no longer winless in the playoffs thanks to Mr. MVP. Kobe attract so much attention that it frees up his teammates. Just ask Smush and Brian Cook. George Karl yelled at his players in the playoffs, "everyone guard Kobe, I mean EVERYONE!!". It is no coincidence that Pau's FG% has skyrocketed since teaming up with Kobe.

    I have no problem with you suggesting that Pau deserves more shots and touches (I feel the same way), but if you don't realize by now that Kobe is more concerned about rings than MVPs or being the scoring leader, than you have have lost sight of why you supposedly became a Mamba fan to begin with.

    Please change your name from Mamba24 to 'The Artist Formerly Known as Mamba' immediately.

    Utzworld,

    If you want Jon K to come to LA so badly, although I'm sure Jon K appreciates your prayers, I have a suggestion - just buy him a ticket.

    Calm down, yellofever. I agree with Mamba (and others). I would LOVE to see Pau win Finals MVP, too. Dude is a steady rock on our team. No trash talk. No ego. Just gets on the court and gives us an automatic 18-12 every game.

    If he proves himself against Dwight in our Finals rematch, he'll get it for sure.

    I have no problem with you suggesting that Pau deserves more shots and touches (I feel the same way), but if you don't realize by now that Kobe is more concerned about rings than MVPs or being the scoring leader, than you have have lost sight of why you supposedly became a Mamba fan to begin with.
    Please change your name from Mamba24 to 'The Artist Formerly Known as Mamba' immediately. Posted by: LAKER TRUTH | October 29, 2009 at 01:46 PM

    You got the Fire son. I do believe that was a TKO! Henceforth I shall be known
    as NEO8. LET IT BE SAID, LET IT BE WRITTEN, LET IT BE DONE!

    I guess it won't help but Laker Truth I have to said it...OUT FREAKIN STANDING!!!
    NEO8 AKA THE ARTIST FORMERLY KNOWN AS MAMBA24

    Chicken -
    1. It's SEPARATE - one e, not two - and I'm a math teacher, not English
    2. I am quoting lakers fans on this website who said the Celtics were geriatric, and too old and slow. I have been reading about that for days now. And since we are 2-0, I thought I would have a little fun with the people who said it. You, apparently, think it is something else, and NO ONE knows what you are talking about. Give me all the sarcasm you want, because clearly you are into reading your own posts where you make no sense and think you are winning a battle that doesn't even exist. I suggest you re-read some of the older posts on here where lakers fans diss the CELTICS for being too old. Or, you could just keep doing what you are doing, which is -
    making a total fool of yourself. Me? I'm just trying to garner (know what that means) some respect for my team, which is not too old, and is a viable contender for this year's title.
    Recess is over now, chicken, time to go back inside and play with the other people who can't mind their own business. Or, if there is no one in there to play with..........well, you fill in the blanks.

    Oh noes, not the coherent sentence zinger, lol! Quick, everyone check their grammar, stillhavetoolonganame's here! Oh wait, before ya do that....
    This is coming from the the "english expert" that doesn't believe in spaces to seperate the words in the sentence he calls his name.....Well HELLOOOO Mr. kettle! Geez, you really got me with that grammar "comeback". hanks "champ"... or should I say "english expert"!
    Posted by: little chicken | October 29, 2009 at 01:42 PM

    AHAHAHAHA ROFLMFAO!!! %$%$#@#%&* STOP T NOW CHICKEN DARNIT!!
    I told you food does not taste good when played with!! ROFLMFAO!!! OH THE HUMANITY!! You aint no chicken little son. You are a dag blasted CHICKEN HAWK!!!
    NEO8

    Jon K.,

    I'm in totally agreement with you about Kobe's place in the NBA. The things you said totally hit home with me. I can tell you this. There are subtle and not so subtle media games that are played and go unrecognized as the many don't even know their opinion is being shaped for them. It's astounding.

    For instances, there are people who still say that Kobe ran Shaq out of L.A. even though Shaq and Dr. Buss said it's not true. But the older I get the more I'm amazed at how much humans gravitate to negativity and gossip. And once they form an opinion regardless of how much evidence there is to the contrary they stick with it.

    The other thing many don't like about Kobe is he's driven to win at all cost and he's honest about it. In the Kevin Ding Kobe article it said "Kobe Bryant is a thankful, fortunate, happy, pleased and unsatisfied 31-year-old man who does not want to be like everyone. He would love for everyone to understand him and understand why he is going to keep playing and producing and winning much longer than seems imaginable. "It’s fascinating to me," Bryant said. "All the years of being here in Los Angeles with the fans and everything, and some think, ’Aw, he’s getting older and the clock’s ticking and blah-blah-blah-blah.’ I’ve been playing for all these years, and you guys still don’t know what I’m about."

    People love schmoozers. Those who don't go against the grain, those who'll smile in your face and lie behind your back.

    What I love most about Kobe is he's not afraid to fail. Most people (Einstein, Ben Franklin, King) who are eventually looked upon as great aren't afraid to fail. But they're hated, ridiculed and called names until their greatness is universally recognized and accepted. However, some will never accept Kobe's greatest regardless of what he achieves for various reasons. They'll always try to give the credit to someone else, anybody else. Even some of our own (Mamba 24) don't recognize, won't recognize that Kobe is the engine that makes the Lakers run. They don't recognize the changes in Gasol, Wade, Lebron, Odom, Trevor of any of the others because of the things they learned from Kobe. They all said how he's influenced them and yet, most are willing to overlook it and maintain the opinions they already formed about Kobe regardless of evidence to the contrary. He'll be retired soon (just the way it is) and maybe then, everyone will know. Until that time Jon, let's enjoy what we got. There's very few like him and even fewer to come.

    Hi Everyone, I'm glad my topic caused a little bit of discussion.

    I guess I should delve deeper. To be clear, I'm saying Finals MVP. First off, its presumptious to say the word 'Finals' and I know it. But supposing they do make it to the Finals....yes, its because of Kobe. We have a great lineup, but Kobe is Kobe.

    But, just like Magic laid the foundation for the 87 championship but Worthy got the MVP, like Isiah Thomas set Dumars up for his MVP, like Tony Parker got all those run outs because Tim Duncan got rebounds and gave him a great outlet pass, there is room for Kobe to both be the best player on the floor AND have Pau get a finals MVP.

    While I do think Pau is underrated, I also think Kobe is underrated as a teammate. But it isn't about who's better than who, its about how well they can play together. We all know that a Laker championship almost invariably will net Kobe a finals MVP. But if they truly played well enough together it could also mean that Pau gets a chance to win an FMVP like Dumars, Worthy, and Parker have done in the even shadow of some of the best players ever.

    Pau's not better than Kobe, but you can't tell me Pau isn't better than Dumars, Worthy (ouch, that one hurt), or Tony Parker.

    I'm not saying its going to happen, but even having the possiblity of 2 guys that, when playing together, can be Finals MVP makes me very happy to be a Laker fan.

    If you want Jon K to come to LA so badly, although I'm sure Jon K appreciates your prayers, I have a suggestion - just buy him a ticket. Posted by: LAKER TRUTH | October 29, 2009 at 01:50 PM

    If he needs the money I'll buy him a ticket. As I'm sure anyone on the Blog who is able to would.
    NEO8 - The Artist formerly known as Mamba24

    Fan of the Mamba,

    "What I love most about Kobe is he's not afraid to fail. Most people (Einstein, Ben Franklin, King) who are eventually looked upon as great aren't afraid to fail. But they're hated, ridiculed and called names until their greatness is universally recognized and accepted."

    Nice observations. I agree.

    I enjoyed your post.

    What do we play for? RINGS!!!!

    Lakers Today... Lakers Tomorrow... Lakers Forever.

    GO LAKERS!!!!

    Excellent article guys!

    Mamba24,

    "If he needs the money I'll buy him a ticket."

    I'm touched, brother. Thanks, but I already have a ticket.

    It's going to be a whirlwind few days of interviews everywhere from Riverside to Hollywood to Santa Barbara. I sure hope I pull this off. I sure miss the sunshine, ocean, mountains, good Mexican food, watching the Lakers on KCAL Channel 9... and Californians in general, craziness and all.

    What do we play for? RINGS!!!!

    Lakers Today... Lakers Tomorrow... Lakers Forever.

    GO LAKERS!!!!

    Stillhavethoseballoons,

    I've read some of your post's and havn't had a problem with what you say but sometimes you come in and make post's that seem like you want to start a battle of words. Don't get worked up when some of the local faithful come at you, we all here are on the same side, YOU are not. When you post "zingers" concerning us and the Celtics do you really expect us to appreciate that?

    Now concerning your Celtics:

    Healthy Lakers vs healthy Celtics
    2-0 in favor of the Lake Show

    yes Boston has a very good team
    and yes the core players are old
    yes you have a good bench and
    yes you have a great shot at the O'brien

    So what's there to argue about?

    little chicken,
    "This is coming from the the "english expert" that doesn't believe in spaces to seperate the words in the sentence he calls his name.....Well HELLOOOO Mr. kettle!"

    It's always wise to make sure everything is spelled correctly in a post that is critical of someone else's grammar, spelling, spacing, etc. I'm just sayin' ...

    It's always wise to make sure everything is spelled correctly in a post that is critical of someone else's grammar, spelling, spacing, etc. I'm just sayin' ...
    Posted by: exhelodrvr | October 29, 2009 at 02:54 PM

    DING, DING, DING. DOWN GOES BALLONS! DOWN GOES CHICKEN!
    And the winner with a double knockout at the same time
    The man with the fastest jab libs in the world and still champion!!
    EXXXXHELOOOOOOOODRVRRRRRRRRRRRRRR

    Kobe doesn't have to prove anything. Joirdan didn't do it w/o Ron Harper, Pippen, Steve Kerr, or Horace Grant or Rodman's rebounding. This is a team sport. Kobe did everything right. He is a champ and so is Jordan. They both have had teams that made the betyter and got them to the top.

    Wow - you KNOW Laker Nation is excited about our ring & win to start the season, when all we're arguing about on here is getting Jon K to LA, and grammar & punctuation & the like... LOL! Life sure is good when you're a LAKER fan!


    Mamba24 - no name changes. Just keep it together, man.

    Kobe's career at this moment is compared to Michael Jordan career during the 96-97 season. This is Kobe's prime year, he will dominate the league and win the MVP award for the second. This is year will also the year that the Lakers will win the NBA championship.

     
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